Nah, it was stated for the audience from the very beginning that Scar was going to be a bad king. There's no point in making him in the right if he is always going to be the villain.
@@godzilla657 100% agree rather if Mufasa came to this pride or not (going by this continuity now) the Pride Lands would've look the way it did after he killed Mufasa and his parents aren't there to keep him in check
I know I’m late but it’s not true cause as king you gotta earn it muffasa earned it he did king duties he acted like a king unlike scar he didn’t earn it
So if Mufasa isn't Scar's biological brother, then that makes him illegitimate which makes Simba also illegitimate. Which makes Scar the rightful king and gives him justification for his betrayal of Mufasa. They already destroyed the lore and the whole point of The Lion King and the movie isn't out yet. Fuck off Disney!
In a leaked synopsis we are told that Mufasa and Scar have to flee because of a group of lions that threatened the existence of their pride. In a NEW PLACE their mutual loyalty will be tested and they will meet new allies. If Mufasa sets himself up as king in a new place and builds his own empire, he will not be a usurper.
@@MichelDeOliveiraSantos. I want to disapprove of this film at any cost? Are you insinuating that I have some sort of agenda? True, I may not have an idea of how this movie will be, but I can already tell where this is going. It's sad that the Disney RUclips channel disabled the comment section because of the criticism.. To me, that's very telling. Also, why even mention that Mufasa doesn't have a drop of nobility? What does that do for his character, except retcon canon?
Don’t know about projection, tbh. It’s more like that’s what is really the deal with American storytelling these days: deconstruction of characters and reinterpreting villains. Nobody’s really allowed to be evil for any of the traditional evil reasons anymore. Nobody’s really allowed to be fully good or doing so for selfless reasons. First time they do it, it may be unique enough that it attracts attention. But as typical, movie industry learns the wrong lessons. Now they think doing that to everything is going to be a hit. Nowadays, it’s boring because everyone is doing it.
It’s like Warrior Cats all over again, where writers don’t even realize what character they’re writing about, so they write them out of character or just add stupid bits about them that don’t make sense for those particular characters to have
@@alexanderchristopher6237Na it's Americaisim when you guys see figurehead families as 'evil' all the time. Just because it worked out for you doesn't mean it's true everywhere.
Why did they make Scar the true heir that literally goes against the entire point of the first film where Simba is the rightful king and Scar had to cheat and lie to get the throne. Simba not the rightful heir if Mufasa was never of royal blood. Also fed up of disney trying to make villains sympathetic. Like Maleficent who calls herself mistress of all evil and cursed a baby gets the sympathetic treatment. And the father who sent his daughter away to protect her from Maleficent gets twisted into the villain.
@@cjgamer6356 yep don't watch the maleficent movie if you like any character except Maleficent. Its a good movie if you imagine its not sleeping beauty. The 3 good fairies are so incompetent that Maleficent raises Aurora, the king is an evil man, Aurora's mom dies so Maleficent can take the motherly role and Philip doesn't do true loves kiss (Maleficent does). No one is important and everyone is there to support Maleficent.
They did NO research in TLK lore at all except Scars real name. If they can use Taka they most definitely could use Ahadi & Uru (Mufasa and scars real parents) or introduce Mohatu, the first named king of the pride lines. The plot makes absolutely no sense.
It’s all hubris. “Oh that WAS the story. I, the great JJ Bink, create canon now!” No, you don’t. You’re making glorified fan-fiction with a million dollar budget.
@@alexanderthegreat9218 I mean... _6 New Adventures_ was never canon official anyway. If they actually referenced the books to get the name Taka then that's one thing, but Disney's never considered those stories canon. Technically _The Lion Guard_ is considered "official" canon to the cartoon franchise, and it doesn't look like that's getting referenced in _Mufasa_ either, so they're clearly just making allusions to various things without committing to any major elements therein. It's an alternate universe sorta thing.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they go this way. It makes the whole “Simba is the rightful king, not Scar” thing work. As others have pointed out, if Scar has a valid claim, it detracts from the original story.
Always possible for a triple twist I guess, but its pretty reasonable to assume Scar as we know him despite any blood lineage was probably a terrible ruler, cause blood doesn't make you a beloved king.
I'm sure if King Ahadi and Queen Uru had a cub named Mufasa but he disappeared and later a lone cub named Mufasa came, they would remember he was theirs. Or Mufasa would remember their scent. And in the movie trailer, Mufasa said that sometimes he caught his real parents' scent on the wind, but as soon as he caught it he lost it? I don't think that was King Ahadi and Queen Uru's scent
Imo i think they should've made Both Mufasa and scar/taka orphans (either they were biological brothers that lost their parents, or they were two random cubs that met and formed a brotherly bond with eachother). And instead of scar being jealous of mufasa because he became king when he wasn't even a part of the royal lineage. He became jealous when mufasa and sarabi (the royal born in this case) became mates while mufasa knew that scar was also interested in sarabi himself.
Yeah and they could of made it where Scar fought Mufasa over Serabi and lost that's how he got his Scar. It was implied in the first movie Scar was in love with Serabi.
Scar's parents picking his friend as their heir really does sound like a villain origin story. Though I don't like this change, it gives more depth to his motivation. Not just lust for power etc. He was born as a future king of bride rock.
@@SeanWheeler100 True. Which is why I think it wasn't a wise idea from the writers. They wanted to make Scar sympathetic. Which has worked well for the movies like big hero 6 and toy story 3. But now they just ruined the original story line.
@@autumn3686 Yeah. Writing sympathetic villains should not be at the cost of the story. It should only be to flesh out the character so that we don't get a boring one-dimensional Generic Doomsday Villain whose only goal is to take over the world. Scar was already a great villain when he was Mufasa's biological younger brother. Retconning him to be the rightful heir ruins everything.
There would have to be major plot work to make a compelling story for Scar and Mufasa meeting and bonding, the parents bonding with Mufasa, the parents coming to view a non-royal as a better successor than their blood heir, etc. That's a tall plot order for a lil Disney movie. It also just doesn't really mesh with the themes of lion prides and legacies.
Considering that his name had been replaced and in favor of "Scar", which was probably a very humiliating name, I don't mind the extrapolation of making Scar more sympathetic. Scar is still definitely in the wrong, still a pure evil villain at the time of the Lion King, but I think it makes sense that it could have started with a tragic backstory rather than simple pettiness.
I mean in the original story he got it from an injury sustained I believe possibly defending his brother or while on a hunt. in the Lion guard a random lion with the scar, tricked him and he got his scar from a venom snake. @@Godofnothingness6
Watch Scar and Mufasa not being actually related be an excuse so they can make Kovu Scar's bio son in a sequel lol (since Kiara from TLK2 is the one who is being told the story)
@@barbararab6390 Pretty sure Nuka isn't actually his kid, none of them are. Though originally they planned for Scar to be the father of all of them until they realised that would be incest.
@@sznsk The only reason Kovu and Vatani aren't Scars cubs is because that would make Kovu and Kiara cousins lol. I mean, not that it matters because Nala and Simba would be sibling/cousins anyway.
Maybe for the sake of making a coming-of-age for Mufasa earning and the title of king? Making him appear as this noble legend even, While the true prince got nothing. Which is very paralleled to the original animated film where Mufasa was likely given the title for just luckily being the first-born, while Scar fought for it, making him appear as a very ambitious villain.
That's what I'm saying!! I would've DIED to have a TLK with a Mufasa backstory in the original animation. Ofc with respect to the original storyline, unlike what they're doing here
You say that as if there’s any chance of Lion King 2 getting remade. No way they’ll be doing that. If they were, they’d have don’t that instead of this odd prequel. We didn’t really need background on Mufasa or Scar to get Lion King 2.
The “Lion King: Six New Adventures” books are not canon. Look it up. But Mufasa did tell Simba that his father told him about the Great Kings of the Past. So either, Mufasa was orphaned when he was a kid/young teen or something like that, or his father died and made him king.
Just had a random thought! I think they might be making Mufasa adopted because they're going to remake The Lion King 2, and they want Kovu to be Scars actual Son without being biologically related to Kiara.
They don't have to make Kovu into Scar's actual son in the live-action because Scar's redesign in the remake makes him look more like a very generic lion just barely distinguishable from Mufasa and adult Simba. That reddish brown fur, black mane and green eyes that Scar shares with Kovu is gone.
@@SeanWheeler100 Exactly, they don't have a visual way to link Kovu to Scar, so they're making him Scar's actual son for the added angst. Thus requiring a retcon that makes sure Kovu isn't biologically Simba's cousin.
@@SamDragontear But losing the visual way to link Kovu to Scar is actually a good thing. The viewers with low attention spans who could miss dialogue or only know Kovu from promotional material would have thought he was Scar's son anyway. The removal of Scar's color scheme in favor of the lions looking more generic and realistic helps remove the implications of incest between Kovu and Kiara. Especially when they keep Simba's Pride's plot the same and have Zira more of a fan of Scar than a lover. But if they retconned Mufasa into being adopted to make Kovu into Scar's actual son, well, not everyone would be seeing the prequel, and there'd be even worse implications in the sequel for those who missed the prequel because those people would still think Scar and Mufasa would be actual brothers. And even if they did include a line of dialogue to acknowledge the prequel's events and mention Mufasa's adoption, people are going to ignore that fact or go with the idea that adopted brothers are still brothers.
The 2019 movie was a tech demo. It was a showcase of how realistic the animals are looking. It was very successful, but the reception was more mixed. I think Mufasa could either be a flop or a franchise like Avatar. Basicly a franchise that is successful in the theaters without cultural impact.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are making Mufasa and Scar not blood related so that Kovu can be Scars actual blood son in another remake because the 2nd movie had to make Kovu adopted to aviod incest between him and Kiara.
Except that would still make it kinda weird because Mufasa and Scar are brothers, just not by blood and Simba would still see him as his uncle and by proxy, see Kovu as his cousin. I hate this.
So, in the first movie, simba has to mature and take back his kingdom from his uncle because he is Mufasa's son and rightful heir. How does that fit into Mufasa becoming king as an unrelated orphan? These two movies do not connect whatsoever.
I was hyped up when someone mentioned the part where Scar says "I wouldn't dream of challenging you AGAIN." to Mufasa. I honestly thought it was going to just be a succession dispute but I was very wrong
Remember kids! it's not usurptation when you're the good guy! it's "bringing down a tyrant!" It's not murder when you're the good guy! It's "ridding the world of evil" It's not a creepy coma kiss when you're hte good guy, it's "Saving the princess!"
Disney retconning all their IP's to make every villain sympathetic is the worst case of projection ever. They're going to destroy themselves trying to convince everyone they aren't evil.
No matter what this movie shows, it will never make up for Scar legit trying to starve all of the Pride and trying to get Simba killed first in a Stampede and then by a pack of Hyenas.
The idea of telling a well-known story from the perspective of the villain was interesting at first. The first time I saw it as a kid was in the book "The True Story of the 3 Little Pigs." The problem with Disney now is that they're so low on ideas that whenever they find something that works once, they'll latch onto it and keep rehashing over and over and over, never for a moment taking into account whether or not they're shoehorning an idea into a story where it makes no sense. And they'll keep beating that dead horse long after everyone has gotten sick of it.
@@JeffUni Personally I don’t think they were really good story wise. They relied a lot on essentially all characters around them being unintelligent. A lot of characters making illogical decisions. I don’t really consider that great storytelling. It’s okay, but not good. I will say it does depend on the character. When I say villain-I really mean villain. The characters you brought up would qualify as a villain.
So, there’s now THREE confirmed timelines. The live action timeline where they’re adoptive brothers. The original timeline where they are blood relatives, and Lion King 2 is the canon sequel. Then there’s the 3rd timeline where Simba had a second child, Kion. When did the Lion King become this expansive???
I mean they did pretty good fitting Kion in, like how he left away during the events of Lion King 2. But the Lion Guard gives Scar a song of how he got his scar so I wonder if they’re gonna do any reference to that.
@@bluebellsforever Thats true, but by the looks of it TLG may not be canon here? There seems to be no mention of the roar, or sight of pride rock, maybe the brothers were the first lions to *found* it I can't really judge or say since this is the trailer after all, I'd have to really see it for myself, and i look foward to it
@@isaacm7934 Not entirely, of course not BUT - lets face it, a classic disney style animated movie would be soooo much more enjoyable to watch then a cg cash grab. It's clear that there's a lot of talent poured into this but I'm scared that it'll just be waste. Of course only time will tell, maybe it'll be a masterpiece but I really wish it was in the original style. I and a lot of people would be way more hyped if it was classic 2d animation.
@@KrunchWorld you make a good point however I think we both know this movie is just going to be cg cashgrabe and if they do bring back to the animation let's just hope they're actually good and well written we wouldn't want a return to the 2D format to be lackluster one
There are many reasons why I'd have preferred this being a prequel to the original rather than the remake, but it's a real missed opportunity when this new backstory would have given Scar's bratty manchild entitlement in the original a whole new meaning.
Lions are actually well adapted to the cold and are capable of growing thick winter coats during temperature change , there are lion species who lived in mountains not too long ago
@@Missionist443 They’re a sister lineage of the Eurasian lion Panthera Fossilis that crossed the Bering land bridge before the great continental shift. Idk where you got that info from but it’s incorrect🤣🤣.
So how are they going to explain Takas and Mufasas name meanings? because "taka" in Swahili translates to a few different things in English: want, which makes a lot of sense; as does desire. But most of the time, the word is used to mean either "dirt" or "garbage." So Scar's parents named one of their kids Taka - meaning "garbage" - and the other kid Mufasa - meaning "king."
If they are going to this direction I don't think is to make Scar sympathetic or show he is really the rightful ruler. Scar was always known to be a bad ruler he had no respect for the circle of life.
I mean, during his rule he literally turned the Pride Lands into a barren wasteland! He CAN'T be portrayed as sympathetic in any shape or form, he just CAN'T, for Pete's sake!
Fuck Scar. In his feelings because Mufasa had more testosterone and probably whooped his ass. The whole point of Scar being a small maned delusional outcast is because of his inability to embody the lion’s standard of being a dominant ruler. This is why he constantly lies to himself about being smarter than Mufasa despite later on proving himself dumber by nearly killing off the pride once he took power. Everything Scar did is a way of saving his ego & pride because he is naturally a wimp of a male lion.
Woman calls herself mistress of evil and curses a baby: Clearly she's a troubled hero Father who has to let his daughter go to keep her safe: Obviously he's evil. I hate the maleficent movies, they water down and twist every other character to make her look good.
@@Markus2E5I6 I wouldn't mind a reimagining if it didn't sacrifice everyone else's character: the fairies and Phillip aren't heroic, Stefan is evil, Leah dies so Maleficent can take her place as a mother figure, and Aurora never gets any growth, being more of a plot device than a character, similar to the original. You know what's sad? The woman who wrote this also wrote the original "Beauty and the Beast" and the live-action "Alice in Wonderland" and co-wrote the original "The Lion King,"--three good films, but then she also did "Maleficent," it's sequel, and "Alice Through the Looking Glass," three films that were very lackluster, imo.
@@OpticalSorcerer I hate they made the fairies so incompetent. Flora, Fauna and Merryweather went 16 years without magic to raise Aurora, they love her and were effectively her mothers. Maleficent made them horrible incompetent to the point that Maleficent was keeping her alive. Literally every character is stripped to make Maleficent look better which is horrible.
Ok... i honestly didn't expect them to go this far but should have. I thought, i suppose just like everyone, that scar's scar was due to a legitimate battle for the throne he lost against his own biological BROTHER but now that's not canon. So now mufasa is the bad guy...
@@milesstorzillo7650There were non canon suppliment books that I know of thanks to lion king memes that told us about the Taka backstory. There even was a whole family tree beyond Scar and Mu. They never did show Mufasa being an outsider.
Another thing worth noting is in the original 1994 Lion King, when Mufasa is confronting Scar about his absence from Simba's presentation, Scar says, "When it comes to brains, I've got the lion's share, but when it comes to brute strength... I'm afraid I'm at the shallow end of the gene pool." This line confused fans for many years regarding the legitimacy of Mufasa and Scar's brotherhood, and in the 2019 remake, the writers seemingly clarified the confusion by rewriting Scar's dialogue, with him saying "When it comes to brute strength... I'm afraid my big brother will always rule," more-or-less confirming that Scar and Mufasa are, indeed, biological brothers. What I ask now, is why the Hell did the creators decide they're unrelated in this prequel when it's been pretty firmly established IN-UNIVERSE that your two most important characters are, in fact, related? Make👏 it👏make 👏sense.👏
Oh come on. It's a reference to how lions actually rule their prides. It's the strongest that wins. Until they got older. Scar is younger so he probably expected to fight Mufasa out. Too bad Mu stayed strong, even by the time Simba was born.
@@falconeshield Yes, I know that Scar's remark about his genetic inferiority is reference to how lion prides work in real life; I've watched videos about it. I was saying that Scar's line confused fans in the original movie, leading to the birth of the theory that Scar and Mufasa were not biological brothers, so it seems the creators of the remake rewrote his dialogue to specify that Scar and Mufasa were actually related. Thus, I made an observation that it's strange to directly contradict a fact they deliberately relayed themselves regarding the lore of the movie.
@@winterrain3528 I don’t know anybody that has confused that line for its intended meaning. That saying has been used in families for a while & it always means the same thing
@@Pandemomium4Life Evidently, enough people were confused about the line's meaning that the creators of the 2019 remake decided to rewrite that bit of Scar's dialogue altogether. I always knew it was merely a reference to Scar's lackluster genes, but I've seen a number of articles and posts claiming that Mufasa and Scar weren't biological brothers that sometimes use that line as a form of evidence in support of that theory, so that's the basis I used. 🤷
They could of made billions if this was a true blue prequel to the original animated film that started it all. All they had to do was be patient enough but yet again they'd rather spend billions on so-so CGI to get this film out the door ASAP.
to give the film this, it IS mentioned in the 2019 version that scar was the FIRST heir saying "i was first in line until the precious prince arrived" this COULD be interpreted in when mufasa arived in the pride. is it gunna be a situation where sarabi and taka/scar were SUPPOSED to be king and queen but instead sarabi chose mufasa????
First in line that's how monarchies go. If a monarch doesn't have kids their sibling would be first i line until they have kid. So I read that line as Scar/Taka complaining about being displaced. Just like in real life, a sibling in a monarchy could start life being next in line and then at the end by pushed down the line behind offspring of the monarch.
It's a vague enough line that it could safely be read both ways. The 2019 film did give more hints of a deeper relationship between the older characters than the cartoon films did, including the love triangle between Mufasa, Scar, and Sarabi, which I'm sure is gonna play a big role in this film. Scar actually has a little monologue in the 2019 version where he explicitly says Sarabi "chose Mufasa over me".
What made them decide not to make Mufasa and Scar blood-related brothers? Or the fact that you made Scar the royal one when he should be the one who's an orphan because of his flawed genetics, which I would imagine made him an outcast among other lions. Am I being stupid or does anyone else feel this way?
Nah you definitely have a point, if they really had to make them unrelated Scar being the adopted one definitely makes more sense. Him being the actual heir just makes Mufasa look like an usurper but I'd still advise to wait until the movie actually comes out to see how it's executed before forming your final opinions. The plot doesn't seem to make much sense from an og movie persepctive but it could still be enjoyable as it's own thing.
@rozinq1351 making Scar the unrelated one would be a repeat of the Thor/Loki situation which would be cliche. They should have just kept them related or made them both orphans.
Does Rafiki have Monke dementia!? Because that's not what happened at all! So basically they're COMPLETELY reconning EVERYTHING? The lion kingdoms aren't successive monarchies? Where the oldest child takes over until they are killed or step down, allowing the next in line to take over? and lions can just come in and take over "kingdoms"? I can't WAIT to watch "live action" Mufasa kill a bunch of cubs!
@@_Robert_16 But this is a movie, not real life :) and I don't NEED to see it to know that it's going to be garbage. People like you are the reason Disney keeps making this shit.
As a former lion king fanatic, I personally thoroughly dislike this change. They ignore the socially accepted canon of taka/scar being neglected by his dad Ahadi who constantly breaks his promises to spend quality time with scar, but honours his promises/duty to train Mufasa to be the rightful heir. It also ruins the dynamic between the two brothers because Mufasa was always sympathetic towards Scar, even in those indirect canon books, which then is shown when mufasa tries to save Scar but is unable to which results in him getting his most notable feature, the scar, the new name, reflecting that and being a reminder of his resentment of Mufasa being the older son.
Is this why Disney said they weren't siblings? I remember during the Lion King remake, there was an article talking about Disney saying scar and mufasa not being brothers!?
I don't think this specifically was why. In the original drafts of the '94 film, Scar and Mufasa aren't related -they aren't even from the same pride. (Scar was a rogue lion recruited by the hyenas.) The decision wasn't made until relatively late in the production process to make them brothers, and that's partly why they don't sound the same and look so different (aside from just artistic decisions).
Scar proved to be a terrible ruler, so he's still the villain. Mufasa did the right thing, like Robert Baratheon did with his ribellion against Viserys Targaryen. But, unlike Robert, Mufasa was a real good king.
Why exactly is everyone whining about Scar getting a relatable backstory instead of being just a flat villain who's only evil because... he's evil? Are people so desperate to hate on this movie? Like the best villains out there are the ones who have an actual backstory. And no, I think they will still manage to keep away of Mufasa seeing like a bad guy because of this. I guess the parents will be the ones more to blame here at the end.
If they make Scar sympathetic that would be fine. But if he's evil because Mufasa stole his throne or and his family why should we root for Mufasa? He stole someone's throne and family. I would also be pissed if someone just stole everything. If that would be true, that means that Mufasa stole Scars or in that case Takas whole future.
@@Simbala-bq5vy Way to early to assume such stuff. There are so many ways how this could play out without us thinking that Mufasa is a bad guy at the end. Who knows, maybe Scar fucks up pretty big with something so that the only reasonable choice will be to give Mufasa the right to the throne instead - and honestly I can totally see Mufasa feeling somewhat bad about it for his brother at the end but he just has to take the throne because he can see that Scar just doesn't fit there after the trouble he might cause. There could be way enough explanations at the end that won't lead us at hating Mufasa AND giving Scar a somewhat understandable backstory of why he's evil.
@@Simbala-bq5vy Yeah, I know. It was still your assumption which you gave me and I answered to. I just don't get it why people act like the worst case scenario will most likely happen or that this is the first thing coming to their minds when it can (and with a director like Barry Jenkins most likely will) go so many absolute understandable ways. We just have to wait and see. If it will turn out bad we can still hate about it but being so negative from the beginning isn't really healthy anyways
@@Vadigrie True. I mean people already hated movies like Wish. Even though we only got like one teaser and one trailer. And because someone said that this movie is evil and that is disrespectful towards God... Like huh?
They should have made Taka the orphan, not Mufasa. That would make more sense for Mufasa to be the rightful king. UNLESS!!! They are going the route that the "Rightful king" is the most responsible and the most worthy of having the responsibility of being King, with a noble heart, and a merciful soul, with an ideation of Balance, rather than being bloodline based, which could make sense as to why Taka is so upset, as he was pushed aside for Mufasa despite having the bloodline, and being the one who took Mufasa in. But maybe there is a secret law where the most worthy is chosen by the Great Circle of Life, which Taka must have thought was silly and stupid. Maybe his wanting to let the Hyenas back in was well intended, but the Hyena's were never respectful of the Circle of Life, so it was the reason they were banished. Maybe some of them did, but not enough of them did. Maybe it's less about Bloodlines, and more about hearts, and maybe Taka didn’t understand that, and thought that he had the bloodline, and he brought in Mufasa, and wanted the Hyena's to be welcomed back, so he must be good, at least in his mind. He also must have also been pinning for the throne the whole time with these actions, and basicly using these actions to sort ofm buy his way to the Throne, rather than actually understanding the responsibility of the Throne, and that these actions were suppose to be out of a noble heart, and a selfless soul. He mearly saw these actions as a means to an ultimate goal, to rule over the pridelands as it's king, and maybe he was spoiled and developed an entitlement additude in his princehood, which he never sought to correct within himself, nor did he ever care to. Maybe he had good in him that Mufasa and his parents tried to bring out and encourage, but he was never truely willing to look past himself, and it led him to a path of Evil.
to be honest I'm only gonna show up to watch Mufasa's life story because that was what I've always been curious about ever since I was a little girl I frankly don't care for the animation Disney's been dishing out poorly, I'm way passed disappointed to care anymore, I just watch their stuff just to listen to the story
Really they think people went to see the 2019 movie because "MAN THOSE GRAPHICS ARE AMAZING YO." No, they all came (now laugh) to watch a movie they already watched so it was more like a videogame remake. NOBODY will have a deep bond with "Mufasa the movie"
I'd love to see Mufasa more in a villain role and Taka in a brighter light. I've read a theory that the hunger and draught that was during Scar's reign was actually just really bad droughts and it has nothing to do with his rule (which makes sense in a point that a single animal can't just break the wheel of life). So I am all here for that.
I only hope they don't make Mufasa the villian. He was my favorite character all throughout my childhood and I don't want them to ruin him 😭 It doesn't make sense that Mufasa is adopted and Scar is basically in the right lol. I'm still excited about this movie though and I'll give it a chance
Tbh I am looking forward to this, I'd love to explore this as a different alternate universe. What I can't get over is they still name the poor guy "garbage" in Swahili.
This is the third time they've rewritten Mufasa and Scar's backstory. And while I appreciate the love they're giving to this franchise I really wish they would stick to one story.
In a leaked synopsis, we are told that Mufasa and Scar had to flee because of a pride of lions that threatened the existence of their pride. In a NEW PLACE their mutual loyalty will be tested and they will meet new allies. If Mufasa establishes himself as king in a new place and builds his own empire, he will not be a usurper. So... just wait!
Any “illegitimacy” backlash is just ridiculous. First, the color of Scar’s fur versus Mufasa’s would’ve normally suggested that Scar would’ve more likely been seen as being higher up in the social hierarchy and potentially the alpha of the pride in real life, barring any fights between the two wherein Mufasa wins. If that never bothered anyone, then why should this? Second, in real life an orphaned lion cub would immediately be killed off. Either by hyenas or the males of the ruling pride. So Mufasa even being allowed to live, let alone going on to become king, shouldn’t be scoffed at. Especially if his ascension is the byproduct of Scar’s vindictiveness. Lastly, there have been plenty of other stories told wherein a rightful child or heir or successor is passed over for or becomes jealous of the relationship between his/her parents and the chosen heir (ex. The House of the Dragon). If those stories could be deemed as acceptable, why can’t this one?
I feel like they could really revive the franchise with a Lion Guard movie, like how they made The Lion King 3. It could show Kion's life with Rani at the tree of life and all.
I like this film already. Making Taka the true prince ,and Mufasa just bastard is very good. Gives points to Scar . I love it. Also ,them being not real brothers can solve Kovu problem and finally make him son of Scar without fearing him being related to his future maid Kiara
I hope they atleast touch on how scar and chenzi end up allied. I always thought chenzi was pushing scars buttons giving him ambision and basically making him her champion. But that is my head canon.
There's a lot of assumptions tbh. For all we know Mufasa IS royal and his parents will be revealed to have been kicked out by Scar's parents or something long ago, making it a twist and Scar bitter he was lied to. You can't really get anything out of the trailer. Incidentally saying it could become derivitive...it is. Thats the whole movie XD
It's interesting that you brought up the hippo scene as reminding you of "I Just Can't Wait to Be King" and the circling animals as nothing. To me, personally, the hippos remind me of Kira and Kovu running of the crocodiles in Lion King 2. While the circling animals reminds me of the song. Just funny how different minds make different connections.
I hate to admit it, but the more time passes since the trailer dropped, the more intrigued I become about how they're gonna tackle this story. Do I still hate Disney for their shady business practices and obvious cash-grabbing intentions behind this? Yeah, of course. But I cant deny that it looks gorgeous, and honestly once I've started seeing the CGI movies as an AU of the real TLK its less offensive to think about them.
Bro I keep seeing your comments under multiple tlk related videos and you're always so based. Anyways I feel the same way, the new backstory elements become a lot less maddening once you disconnect them from the animated movie's story.
@@falconeshield right, the song however, indicates scar received some injustice at some point . Which doesn’t excuse his behavior just a note of possible explanation.
I have a feeling that elephant stampede could be the origin of the elephant graveyard, where simba, nala, and zazu run into the hyenas in the OG movie.
Yeah, it was. They confirmed it in a documentary about the making of the film that you can find on youtube. Apparently the movie was even gonna feature direct quotes from the play at some point (including Scar saying goodbye sweet prince to Mufasa before throwing him off the cliff) but they came to the conclusion that this was too on the nose and changed it.
I don´t know the cgi lions are not ketching me, but as 2d it totally would, I think it would also be cheaper at this point (like it was with Dragonball Super Hero movie) or they reusing the models from the first movie
Are they making scar and mufasa not biologically related so they can justify Kovu being Scars son without the incest between kiara in an obvious third movie?
@@staraptorflock3661 yeah, that's all I can see this movies existence being for. Unless they genuinely just pitched a bad idea and it got approved. Either way it will be interesting to see if this movie will be what sets up a sequel whether its an original or lion King 2
I hated this idea at first, but I’m warming up to it. Mufasa doesn’t need to be the blood heir. I think it works even better tbh. He was so much more competent and beloved as a potential leader than Scar was that Scar’s own parents chose Mufasa to become King. Really hammers down why Scar shouldn’t ever be King while giving him a great reason to be envious enough to kill. I’m also glad that this story isn’t a remake. It’s finally something new! Could be interesting and fun if handled correctly. Still hate how bland and unexpressive everything looks in it, though. Live Action without any color changes or expressive features is just bad.
I’m actually considering seeing it when it comes out, and yes despite me seeing the remake and thinking that it could be better. Glad to see they actually *listened* to the criticism and made the characters a bit more expressive. Despite that, I’m still holding my breath.
Star Kid's musical play Twisted did a far better job of asking "What if the bad guy wasn't the bad guy, but stories are always told by the victors?" There is even a cameo from some of the Disney characters show that they had the same thing happen (except one of them who is just evil). It came out a year before Maleficent did and is free on youtube.
Disney trying so hard to make villains out to be good guys is something I think people need to take note of. Considering that Disney is the biggest villain of all time.
Usurping I don't think so. I think Mufasa will be adopted by Taka (Scar) and the royal family of the Pride Lands who will raise him as a member of their family. Mufasa will not initially be interested in taking the throne of the Pride Lands, he just wants to live his life, and he would have been happy for Taka when he was announced as the future king but with but to everyone's surprise, Taka's father and king of the Pride Lands will announce that his biological son Taka will not succeed him to the throne. Because he saw that ambition and selfishness reigned in his son's heart and would bring the Pride Lands into chaos, therefore choosing Mufasa who is surprised by this. Taka rightly gets angry and opposes his father saying that he rightfully deserved the throne of the Pride Lands, all his life he had waited for this and he wouldn't get it after efforts made to please him but Taka's father remains firm in his decisions. And in my opinion here comes Scar's slow decline towards jealousy, fomented however by hanging out with Kiros, the character who must appear in this story and who should be the villain. But Mufasa, like his son Simba, refuses to become king and endangers the circle of life.
So you know how people say that nobody wants an upcoming movie, and then it comes out and does big bucks? This might be the one instance where that DOESN'T happen, and actually becomes a bomb.
Scar: This is my kingdom, my destiny!
Me: Wow, I guess he was telling the truth...
Nah, it was stated for the audience from the very beginning that Scar was going to be a bad king. There's no point in making him in the right if he is always going to be the villain.
@@godzilla657 100% agree rather if Mufasa came to this pride or not (going by this continuity now) the Pride Lands would've look the way it did after he killed Mufasa and his parents aren't there to keep him in check
This is non canon. Mufasa was never an orphan until literally this teaser. @@godzilla657
Watch the theory done by film theory
I know I’m late but it’s not true cause as king you gotta earn it muffasa earned it he did king duties he acted like a king unlike scar he didn’t earn it
So if Mufasa isn't Scar's biological brother, then that makes him illegitimate which makes Simba also illegitimate. Which makes Scar the rightful king and gives him justification for his betrayal of Mufasa. They already destroyed the lore and the whole point of The Lion King and the movie isn't out yet. Fuck off Disney!
In a leaked synopsis we are told that Mufasa and Scar have to flee because of a group of lions that threatened the existence of their pride. In a NEW PLACE their mutual loyalty will be tested and they will meet new allies. If Mufasa sets himself up as king in a new place and builds his own empire, he will not be a usurper.
You are criticizing because you want to disapprove this film at any cost, but you really have no idea what it will present to us!
@@MichelDeOliveiraSantos. I want to disapprove of this film at any cost? Are you insinuating that I have some sort of agenda? True, I may not have an idea of how this movie will be, but I can already tell where this is going. It's sad that the Disney RUclips channel disabled the comment section because of the criticism.. To me, that's very telling. Also, why even mention that Mufasa doesn't have a drop of nobility? What does that do for his character, except retcon canon?
@@MichelDeOliveiraSantos. Okay, show me this synopsis.
The movie is canon to the remake not the original so there's that
Mufasa mentions his dad told him about the kings of the past while having his second conversation with simba……
Don’t know about projection, tbh. It’s more like that’s what is really the deal with American storytelling these days: deconstruction of characters and reinterpreting villains. Nobody’s really allowed to be evil for any of the traditional evil reasons anymore. Nobody’s really allowed to be fully good or doing so for selfless reasons.
First time they do it, it may be unique enough that it attracts attention. But as typical, movie industry learns the wrong lessons. Now they think doing that to everything is going to be a hit. Nowadays, it’s boring because everyone is doing it.
It’s like Warrior Cats all over again, where writers don’t even realize what character they’re writing about, so they write them out of character or just add stupid bits about them that don’t make sense for those particular characters to have
@@alexanderchristopher6237Na it's Americaisim when you guys see figurehead families as 'evil' all the time. Just because it worked out for you doesn't mean it's true everywhere.
Continuity is not exactly Disney’s strong point
@@mysryuza only ever read the first series and i think ill stick to that 😅 i learned most of what happens after from amino fanart/memes
Why did they make Scar the true heir that literally goes against the entire point of the first film where Simba is the rightful king and Scar had to cheat and lie to get the throne. Simba not the rightful heir if Mufasa was never of royal blood.
Also fed up of disney trying to make villains sympathetic. Like Maleficent who calls herself mistress of all evil and cursed a baby gets the sympathetic treatment. And the father who sent his daughter away to protect her from Maleficent gets twisted into the villain.
If that's true then I'm so glad I never watched Maleficent movies plus making Aoura 's dad the villain makes no sense
@@cjgamer6356 yep don't watch the maleficent movie if you like any character except Maleficent. Its a good movie if you imagine its not sleeping beauty. The 3 good fairies are so incompetent that Maleficent raises Aurora, the king is an evil man, Aurora's mom dies so Maleficent can take the motherly role and Philip doesn't do true loves kiss (Maleficent does). No one is important and everyone is there to support Maleficent.
She literally used "All the powers of hell"to kill one guy and failed 😂 hell ain't that strong
I despised what they did to Maleficent. Literally THE DARK FAE was turned into an anti-hero because women are never evil.
Legit what’s next? Waiting for the Frollo Redemption Arc once they get to Hunchback of Notre Dame.
They did NO research in TLK lore at all except Scars real name. If they can use Taka they most definitely could use Ahadi & Uru (Mufasa and scars real parents) or introduce Mohatu, the first named king of the pride lines. The plot makes absolutely no sense.
It’s all hubris. “Oh that WAS the story. I, the great JJ Bink, create canon now!” No, you don’t. You’re making glorified fan-fiction with a million dollar budget.
you didnt see the movie and already 'uga buga story doesent make no sense i'll cry about it"
@@parazote3526 don’t reply to me if you don’t know what you’re talking bout.
@@alexanderthegreat9218 oooh scary. I can reply to whoever i want, especially to shit comments like yours
@@alexanderthegreat9218 I mean...
_6 New Adventures_ was never canon official anyway. If they actually referenced the books to get the name Taka then that's one thing, but Disney's never considered those stories canon. Technically _The Lion Guard_ is considered "official" canon to the cartoon franchise, and it doesn't look like that's getting referenced in _Mufasa_ either, so they're clearly just making allusions to various things without committing to any major elements therein. It's an alternate universe sorta thing.
The only way this could make a good story is if Scar's parents were usurpers already, and Mufasa is the real heir, but he doesn't know until later.
Americans don't like legacy heritage so probably not
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they go this way. It makes the whole “Simba is the rightful king, not Scar” thing work. As others have pointed out, if Scar has a valid claim, it detracts from the original story.
Hopefully
Always possible for a triple twist I guess, but its pretty reasonable to assume Scar as we know him despite any blood lineage was probably a terrible ruler, cause blood doesn't make you a beloved king.
Wait...seriously? I thought the whole Lion King Mufasa thing was a joke.
If a movie makes $1 billion, a sequel is always a possibility.
@@OpticalSorcereror in this case a prequel
@@phazyreborn True. I suppose I should say "expansion of the property."
Are you that dumb?
It's a bad joke...
Idea: At the end, there's going to be a twist that Mufasa wasn't orphaned, but is instead the long-lost first born of the king and queen.
Like Jon Snow. lol
@@wereshem-ankh9063I'm tired of the Jesus trope.
@@falconeshield?? That’s not the Jesus trope.
That would make a lot more sense than what the trailer is telling us so far
I'm sure if King Ahadi and Queen Uru had a cub named Mufasa but he disappeared and later a lone cub named Mufasa came, they would remember he was theirs. Or Mufasa would remember their scent. And in the movie trailer, Mufasa said that sometimes he caught his real parents' scent on the wind, but as soon as he caught it he lost it? I don't think that was King Ahadi and Queen Uru's scent
Imo i think they should've made Both Mufasa and scar/taka orphans (either they were biological brothers that lost their parents, or they were two random cubs that met and formed a brotherly bond with eachother). And instead of scar being jealous of mufasa because he became king when he wasn't even a part of the royal lineage. He became jealous when mufasa and sarabi (the royal born in this case) became mates while mufasa knew that scar was also interested in sarabi himself.
Oh god…fanfic writers would eat this up lmao but still that’s a concept that has some potential ngl
Yeah and they could of made it where Scar fought Mufasa over Serabi and lost that's how he got his Scar.
It was implied in the first movie Scar was in love with Serabi.
Ugh! I hope Mufasa gets what's coming for him. Oh wait.
Oh no an actual story, take that away! Don't you know kids love KFP 4 nonsense?
Scar was already one of the MOST popular Disney villians. There's no reason to make him sympathetic.
Scar's parents picking his friend as their heir really does sound like a villain origin story. Though I don't like this change, it gives more depth to his motivation. Not just lust for power etc. He was born as a future king of bride rock.
But in justifying Scar as the true heir, it makes Simba's story worse.
@@SeanWheeler100 True. Which is why I think it wasn't a wise idea from the writers. They wanted to make Scar sympathetic. Which has worked well for the movies like big hero 6 and toy story 3. But now they just ruined the original story line.
@@autumn3686 Yeah. Writing sympathetic villains should not be at the cost of the story. It should only be to flesh out the character so that we don't get a boring one-dimensional Generic Doomsday Villain whose only goal is to take over the world. Scar was already a great villain when he was Mufasa's biological younger brother. Retconning him to be the rightful heir ruins everything.
Honestly yeah I liked the idea that scar was just petty lmao
There would have to be major plot work to make a compelling story for Scar and Mufasa meeting and bonding, the parents bonding with Mufasa, the parents coming to view a non-royal as a better successor than their blood heir, etc. That's a tall plot order for a lil Disney movie. It also just doesn't really mesh with the themes of lion prides and legacies.
Considering that his name had been replaced and in favor of "Scar", which was probably a very humiliating name, I don't mind the extrapolation of making Scar more sympathetic. Scar is still definitely in the wrong, still a pure evil villain at the time of the Lion King, but I think it makes sense that it could have started with a tragic backstory rather than simple pettiness.
Scar name was an earned one due to injury not his birthname that why they don't use it
I mean in the original story he got it from an injury sustained I believe possibly defending his brother or while on a hunt.
in the Lion guard a random lion with the scar, tricked him and he got his scar from a venom snake. @@Godofnothingness6
Yeah I mean his real name is literally Taka, which means garbage or waste in Africa (I think)
The best villains are relatable. Thanos, Killmonger, Gus Fring, etc.
I don’t think anyone asked for this movie.
Watch Scar and Mufasa not being actually related be an excuse so they can make Kovu Scar's bio son in a sequel lol (since Kiara from TLK2 is the one who is being told the story)
Which is weird because its implied that the mangy lion that dies in that movie is his actual son, but kovu was chosen just because
@@barbararab6390yeah the mangy lion nuka says that kovu isn’t scar’s real son 😭🤦♀️
@@barbararab6390 Pretty sure Nuka isn't actually his kid, none of them are. Though originally they planned for Scar to be the father of all of them until they realised that would be incest.
@@moon4236Nuka looks like perfect mix of Scar and his mom, there is no way atleast he isn't related to scar
@@sznsk The only reason Kovu and Vatani aren't Scars cubs is because that would make Kovu and Kiara cousins lol.
I mean, not that it matters because Nala and Simba would be sibling/cousins anyway.
So they're making a movie that's completely ruining the canon/lore just to make profit off of it? Yep, classic Disney.
I wouldn’t say ruined it’s quite unique but I don’t understand why they changed it
In what way are they “ruining the lore”. We don’t know Jack about Mufasa before Lion King 1.
Not classic - modern disney
😢😢😮
Maybe for the sake of making a coming-of-age for Mufasa earning and the title of king? Making him appear as this noble legend even, While the true prince got nothing.
Which is very paralleled to the original animated film where Mufasa was likely given the title for just luckily being the first-born, while Scar fought for it, making him appear as a very ambitious villain.
A prequal of the lion king with the original 1990's animation style would be really cool, actually.
FRRRR Disney needs to bring back old animation it was just better
That's what I'm saying!! I would've DIED to have a TLK with a Mufasa backstory in the original animation. Ofc with respect to the original storyline, unlike what they're doing here
Go read the books and comics then
Mufasa and Scar not being biological brothers means they can make Kovu be Scar's son and it won't be incest to be paired up with Kiara.
Kovu wasn’t Scars son in the original animated version
@@kittyfoxcat7802 You think I don't know that? Why do you think I wrote "they can make Kovu be Scar's son"? Obviously because they didn't.
You say that as if there’s any chance of Lion King 2 getting remade. No way they’ll be doing that.
If they were, they’d have don’t that instead of this odd prequel. We didn’t really need background on Mufasa or Scar to get Lion King 2.
I said the same thing about Kovu too. It changes everything.
What would be the point of changing that? It literally goes against their own story.
So Disney forgot that Mufasa had parents(their names Ahadi and Uru) Disney is reckoning their own cannon!
The “Lion King: Six New Adventures” books are not canon. Look it up.
But Mufasa did tell Simba that his father told him about the Great Kings of the Past. So either, Mufasa was orphaned when he was a kid/young teen or something like that, or his father died and made him king.
@@dakotathedog9713We decide what’s canon now. Disney has lost that privilege
@@Tempusverum no, you dont
@@parazote3526 “No you don’t” 🤓
Yeah? Try and stop me
Ahadi and Uru are such a popular headcanon thanks to the books, they might as well be canon! Though Disney will never see that unfortunately.
Just had a random thought! I think they might be making Mufasa adopted because they're going to remake The Lion King 2, and they want Kovu to be Scars actual Son without being biologically related to Kiara.
They don't have to make Kovu into Scar's actual son in the live-action because Scar's redesign in the remake makes him look more like a very generic lion just barely distinguishable from Mufasa and adult Simba. That reddish brown fur, black mane and green eyes that Scar shares with Kovu is gone.
@@SeanWheeler100 Exactly, they don't have a visual way to link Kovu to Scar, so they're making him Scar's actual son for the added angst. Thus requiring a retcon that makes sure Kovu isn't biologically Simba's cousin.
@@SamDragontear But losing the visual way to link Kovu to Scar is actually a good thing. The viewers with low attention spans who could miss dialogue or only know Kovu from promotional material would have thought he was Scar's son anyway. The removal of Scar's color scheme in favor of the lions looking more generic and realistic helps remove the implications of incest between Kovu and Kiara. Especially when they keep Simba's Pride's plot the same and have Zira more of a fan of Scar than a lover. But if they retconned Mufasa into being adopted to make Kovu into Scar's actual son, well, not everyone would be seeing the prequel, and there'd be even worse implications in the sequel for those who missed the prequel because those people would still think Scar and Mufasa would be actual brothers. And even if they did include a line of dialogue to acknowledge the prequel's events and mention Mufasa's adoption, people are going to ignore that fact or go with the idea that adopted brothers are still brothers.
Please. I want this movie to flop just let this horror end. @@SeanWheeler100
But Kovu not being his biological son is better. He basically picked a cub and said "That one."
The 2019 movie was a tech demo. It was a showcase of how realistic the animals are looking. It was very successful, but the reception was more mixed. I think Mufasa could either be a flop or a franchise like Avatar. Basicly a franchise that is successful in the theaters without cultural impact.
I think it's going with the franchise like Avatar
It will make a lot of money will be a huge box office succes but i think people won't like it that much same with critics too
I wouldn't be surprised if they are making Mufasa and Scar not blood related so that Kovu can be Scars actual blood son in another remake because the 2nd movie had to make Kovu adopted to aviod incest between him and Kiara.
Then just make Kiara THE ADOPTED PRINCESS.
Except that would still make it kinda weird because Mufasa and Scar are brothers, just not by blood and Simba would still see him as his uncle and by proxy, see Kovu as his cousin. I hate this.
So, in the first movie, simba has to mature and take back his kingdom from his uncle because he is Mufasa's son and rightful heir. How does that fit into Mufasa becoming king as an unrelated orphan? These two movies do not connect whatsoever.
I was hyped up when someone mentioned the part where Scar says "I wouldn't dream of challenging you AGAIN." to Mufasa. I honestly thought it was going to just be a succession dispute but I was very wrong
Oh god this change was PLANNED
Remember kids! it's not usurptation when you're the good guy! it's "bringing down a tyrant!"
It's not murder when you're the good guy! It's "ridding the world of evil"
It's not a creepy coma kiss when you're hte good guy, it's "Saving the princess!"
To be fair the last one was Disney's thing for 50 years
perfect description
Disney retconning all their IP's to make every villain sympathetic is the worst case of projection ever. They're going to destroy themselves trying to convince everyone they aren't evil.
No matter what this movie shows, it will never make up for Scar legit trying to starve all of the Pride and trying to get Simba killed first in a Stampede and then by a pack of Hyenas.
Yeah…not great to make a creepy uncle who literally tries to murder a child (and his nephew) into a sympathetic character.
I mean, Maleficent and Cruella were actually good
The idea of telling a well-known story from the perspective of the villain was interesting at first. The first time I saw it as a kid was in the book "The True Story of the 3 Little Pigs." The problem with Disney now is that they're so low on ideas that whenever they find something that works once, they'll latch onto it and keep rehashing over and over and over, never for a moment taking into account whether or not they're shoehorning an idea into a story where it makes no sense. And they'll keep beating that dead horse long after everyone has gotten sick of it.
@@JeffUni Personally I don’t think they were really good story wise. They relied a lot on essentially all characters around them being unintelligent.
A lot of characters making illogical decisions.
I don’t really consider that great storytelling. It’s okay, but not good.
I will say it does depend on the character. When I say villain-I really mean villain. The characters you brought up would qualify as a villain.
So, there’s now THREE confirmed timelines. The live action timeline where they’re adoptive brothers. The original timeline where they are blood relatives, and Lion King 2 is the canon sequel. Then there’s the 3rd timeline where Simba had a second child, Kion.
When did the Lion King become this expansive???
I mean they did pretty good fitting Kion in, like how he left away during the events of Lion King 2. But the Lion Guard gives Scar a song of how he got his scar so I wonder if they’re gonna do any reference to that.
The semi-canon books and comics could count as seperate timelines. Right beneath the original film.
@@TheChicken7576Tale of 2 brothers is canon tho.
The lion king fandom loves that backstory.
Technically they could all be 1 giant timeline.
Kion leaves before lion king 2 happens and he comes back RIGHT as it ends.
@@bluebellsforever Thats true, but by the looks of it TLG may not be canon here?
There seems to be no mention of the roar, or sight of pride rock, maybe the brothers were the first lions to *found* it
I can't really judge or say since this is the trailer after all, I'd have to really see it for myself, and i look foward to it
If only it was 2D hand drawn and not live action 😕
2d animation doesn't magically make something better
@@isaacm7934Exactly !!!!!!!😤
@@isaacm7934 Not entirely, of course not BUT - lets face it, a classic disney style animated movie would be soooo much more enjoyable to watch then a cg cash grab. It's clear that there's a lot of talent poured into this but I'm scared that it'll just be waste. Of course only time will tell, maybe it'll be a masterpiece but I really wish it was in the original style. I and a lot of people would be way more hyped if it was classic 2d animation.
@@KrunchWorld you make a good point however I think we both know this movie is just going to be cg cashgrabe and if they do bring back to the animation let's just hope they're actually good and well written we wouldn't want a return to the 2D format to be lackluster one
@@isaacm7934 true, true
There are many reasons why I'd have preferred this being a prequel to the original rather than the remake, but it's a real missed opportunity when this new backstory would have given Scar's bratty manchild entitlement in the original a whole new meaning.
bro its prequel what do you mean?
@@mr.murasame8659He meant a prequel to the og animated film. This is a prequel for the life action, which doesn't line up story wise
Mufasa vs the doom syndicate
STOP LMAO
SHOOT HIM WITH THE DEHYDRATION GU-
BAAAAAHAHAA
"SHOOT THEM WITH THE DEHYDRATION GUN!!!!"
“Mufasa is back!”
This makes Lion King 2 and Zira more justified 💀
Exactly! Insert TLK Prequel fanfic/fanon with Zira and the Lion Guard here
Lions are actually well adapted to the cold and are capable of growing thick winter coats during temperature change , there are lion species who lived in mountains not too long ago
yeah atlas lion
Lions inhabited every continent excluding South America & Australia in the past. This doesn’t get talked about enough
@@Pandemomium4Life North American lions are related to cheetahs and not lions tho
@@Missionist443 It was thought they were related to the North American jaguar but this was debunked by Mitochondrial DNA.
@@Missionist443 They’re a sister lineage of the Eurasian lion Panthera Fossilis that crossed the Bering land bridge before the great continental shift. Idk where you got that info from but it’s incorrect🤣🤣.
Feels like a crime to be this early. . . .just like the existence of this movie. Why Disney? Why?
So how are they going to explain Takas and Mufasas name meanings?
because "taka" in Swahili translates to a few different things in English: want, which makes a lot of sense; as does desire. But most of the time, the word is used to mean either "dirt" or "garbage." So Scar's parents named one of their kids Taka - meaning "garbage" - and the other kid Mufasa - meaning "king."
Bit arrogant for an orphan to sport the name King
@@falconeshield Right? lol like how are they going to explain that?
The story they’re coming up with is just r3ta5ded
Name switch?
Especially since he looks like he'd be named Taka
If they are going to this direction I don't think is to make Scar sympathetic or show he is really the rightful ruler. Scar was always known to be a bad ruler he had no respect for the circle of life.
I mean, during his rule he literally turned the Pride Lands into a barren wasteland! He CAN'T be portrayed as sympathetic in any shape or form, he just CAN'T, for Pete's sake!
Fuck Scar. In his feelings because Mufasa had more testosterone and probably whooped his ass. The whole point of Scar being a small maned delusional outcast is because of his inability to embody the lion’s standard of being a dominant ruler. This is why he constantly lies to himself about being smarter than Mufasa despite later on proving himself dumber by nearly killing off the pride once he took power. Everything Scar did is a way of saving his ego & pride because he is naturally a wimp of a male lion.
This reminds me of how Stefan was demonized in Maleficent. Gotta say, I'm not a fan.
Woman calls herself mistress of evil and curses a baby: Clearly she's a troubled hero
Father who has to let his daughter go to keep her safe: Obviously he's evil.
I hate the maleficent movies, they water down and twist every other character to make her look good.
@@Markus2E5I6 I wouldn't mind a reimagining if it didn't sacrifice everyone else's character: the fairies and Phillip aren't heroic, Stefan is evil, Leah dies so Maleficent can take her place as a mother figure, and Aurora never gets any growth, being more of a plot device than a character, similar to the original.
You know what's sad? The woman who wrote this also wrote the original "Beauty and the Beast" and the live-action "Alice in Wonderland" and co-wrote the original "The Lion King,"--three good films, but then she also did "Maleficent," it's sequel, and "Alice Through the Looking Glass," three films that were very lackluster, imo.
@@OpticalSorcerer I hate they made the fairies so incompetent. Flora, Fauna and Merryweather went 16 years without magic to raise Aurora, they love her and were effectively her mothers. Maleficent made them horrible incompetent to the point that Maleficent was keeping her alive. Literally every character is stripped to make Maleficent look better which is horrible.
@@OpticalSorcererHey you keep Alice in Wonderland out of this it was a good movie
@@Markus2E5I6It's so horrible not even Disney wants that trash movie on their streaming service and that's saying something
Ok... i honestly didn't expect them to go this far but should have. I thought, i suppose just like everyone, that scar's scar was due to a legitimate battle for the throne he lost against his own biological BROTHER but now that's not canon. So now mufasa is the bad guy...
Lion Guard actually explains how Scar got his scar. Though I'm not exactly sure if there's other media that tells a different story.
@@milesstorzillo7650There were non canon suppliment books that I know of thanks to lion king memes that told us about the Taka backstory. There even was a whole family tree beyond Scar and Mu. They never did show Mufasa being an outsider.
Another thing worth noting is in the original 1994 Lion King, when Mufasa is confronting Scar about his absence from Simba's presentation, Scar says, "When it comes to brains, I've got the lion's share, but when it comes to brute strength... I'm afraid I'm at the shallow end of the gene pool."
This line confused fans for many years regarding the legitimacy of Mufasa and Scar's brotherhood, and in the 2019 remake, the writers seemingly clarified the confusion by rewriting Scar's dialogue, with him saying "When it comes to brute strength... I'm afraid my big brother will always rule," more-or-less confirming that Scar and Mufasa are, indeed, biological brothers.
What I ask now, is why the Hell did the creators decide they're unrelated in this prequel when it's been pretty firmly established IN-UNIVERSE that your two most important characters are, in fact, related?
Make👏 it👏make 👏sense.👏
Oh come on. It's a reference to how lions actually rule their prides. It's the strongest that wins. Until they got older. Scar is younger so he probably expected to fight Mufasa out. Too bad Mu stayed strong, even by the time Simba was born.
@@falconeshield Yes, I know that Scar's remark about his genetic inferiority is reference to how lion prides work in real life; I've watched videos about it. I was saying that Scar's line confused fans in the original movie, leading to the birth of the theory that Scar and Mufasa were not biological brothers, so it seems the creators of the remake rewrote his dialogue to specify that Scar and Mufasa were actually related. Thus, I made an observation that it's strange to directly contradict a fact they deliberately relayed themselves regarding the lore of the movie.
@@winterrain3528 I don’t know anybody that has confused that line for its intended meaning. That saying has been used in families for a while & it always means the same thing
@@Pandemomium4Life Evidently, enough people were confused about the line's meaning that the creators of the 2019 remake decided to rewrite that bit of Scar's dialogue altogether. I always knew it was merely a reference to Scar's lackluster genes, but I've seen a number of articles and posts claiming that Mufasa and Scar weren't biological brothers that sometimes use that line as a form of evidence in support of that theory, so that's the basis I used. 🤷
I guess it's a prequel to the 1994 movie then.
This is a fact. Mufasa "the golden boy", Taka just "the eternal second" prince.
They could of made billions if this was a true blue prequel to the original animated film that started it all. All they had to do was be patient enough but yet again they'd rather spend billions on so-so CGI to get this film out the door ASAP.
to give the film this, it IS mentioned in the 2019 version that scar was the FIRST heir saying "i was first in line until the precious prince arrived" this COULD be interpreted in when mufasa arived in the pride. is it gunna be a situation where sarabi and taka/scar were SUPPOSED to be king and queen but instead sarabi chose mufasa????
First in line that's how monarchies go. If a monarch doesn't have kids their sibling would be first i line until they have kid. So I read that line as Scar/Taka complaining about being displaced. Just like in real life, a sibling in a monarchy could start life being next in line and then at the end by pushed down the line behind offspring of the monarch.
It's a vague enough line that it could safely be read both ways. The 2019 film did give more hints of a deeper relationship between the older characters than the cartoon films did, including the love triangle between Mufasa, Scar, and Sarabi, which I'm sure is gonna play a big role in this film. Scar actually has a little monologue in the 2019 version where he explicitly says Sarabi "chose Mufasa over me".
So…… The writers really didn’t understand the plot of The Lion King, did they?
What made them decide not to make Mufasa and Scar blood-related brothers? Or the fact that you made Scar the royal one when he should be the one who's an orphan because of his flawed genetics, which I would imagine made him an outcast among other lions. Am I being stupid or does anyone else feel this way?
Nah you definitely have a point, if they really had to make them unrelated Scar being the adopted one definitely makes more sense. Him being the actual heir just makes Mufasa look like an usurper but I'd still advise to wait until the movie actually comes out to see how it's executed before forming your final opinions. The plot doesn't seem to make much sense from an og movie persepctive but it could still be enjoyable as it's own thing.
@rozinq1351 making Scar the unrelated one would be a repeat of the Thor/Loki situation which would be cliche. They should have just kept them related or made them both orphans.
Even the animated movie states Mufasa was the eldest, that's why he's the heir! I'm actually fuming about this lmao.
Does Rafiki have Monke dementia!? Because that's not what happened at all!
So basically they're COMPLETELY reconning EVERYTHING? The lion kingdoms aren't successive monarchies? Where the oldest child takes over until they are killed or step down, allowing the next in line to take over? and lions can just come in and take over "kingdoms"?
I can't WAIT to watch "live action" Mufasa kill a bunch of cubs!
Bro that’s what happens in real life too!!!! Didn’t you know???? And stop fu*king hate this movie you event didn’t see it!!!!!!!!!!!!🤬😤
@@_Robert_16 What are you, twelve? Calm down kid, Disney isn't gonna give you money for dicksucking them this hard
@@_Robert_16 But this is a movie, not real life :)
and I don't NEED to see it to know that it's going to be garbage.
People like you are the reason Disney keeps making this shit.
@@_Robert_16So killing cubs to be king is okay but god forbid lions mate regardless of sweet home Alabama links
@@falconeshieldthey have all the proper priorities
I still think, as chaotic as The Lion Guard Is, they did a better job of Scar's backstory.
That was a very good show but it had lots of filler episodes.
I prefer Sofia the 1st.
As a former lion king fanatic, I personally thoroughly dislike this change. They ignore the socially accepted canon of taka/scar being neglected by his dad Ahadi who constantly breaks his promises to spend quality time with scar, but honours his promises/duty to train Mufasa to be the rightful heir. It also ruins the dynamic between the two brothers because Mufasa was always sympathetic towards Scar, even in those indirect canon books, which then is shown when mufasa tries to save Scar but is unable to which results in him getting his most notable feature, the scar, the new name, reflecting that and being a reminder of his resentment of Mufasa being the older son.
But it's not a change because tlk is a multiverse and the live action canln is not the animated canon.
Is this why Disney said they weren't siblings? I remember during the Lion King remake, there was an article talking about Disney saying scar and mufasa not being brothers!?
I don't think this specifically was why. In the original drafts of the '94 film, Scar and Mufasa aren't related -they aren't even from the same pride. (Scar was a rogue lion recruited by the hyenas.) The decision wasn't made until relatively late in the production process to make them brothers, and that's partly why they don't sound the same and look so different (aside from just artistic decisions).
Scar proved to be a terrible ruler, so he's still the villain. Mufasa did the right thing, like Robert Baratheon did with his ribellion against Viserys Targaryen. But, unlike Robert, Mufasa was a real good king.
Why exactly is everyone whining about Scar getting a relatable backstory instead of being just a flat villain who's only evil because... he's evil? Are people so desperate to hate on this movie? Like the best villains out there are the ones who have an actual backstory. And no, I think they will still manage to keep away of Mufasa seeing like a bad guy because of this. I guess the parents will be the ones more to blame here at the end.
If they make Scar sympathetic that would be fine. But if he's evil because Mufasa stole his throne or and his family why should we root for Mufasa? He stole someone's throne and family. I would also be pissed if someone just stole everything. If that would be true, that means that Mufasa stole Scars or in that case Takas whole future.
@@Simbala-bq5vy Way to early to assume such stuff. There are so many ways how this could play out without us thinking that Mufasa is a bad guy at the end. Who knows, maybe Scar fucks up pretty big with something so that the only reasonable choice will be to give Mufasa the right to the throne instead - and honestly I can totally see Mufasa feeling somewhat bad about it for his brother at the end but he just has to take the throne because he can see that Scar just doesn't fit there after the trouble he might cause. There could be way enough explanations at the end that won't lead us at hating Mufasa AND giving Scar a somewhat understandable backstory of why he's evil.
@@Vadigrie I said IF.
@@Simbala-bq5vy Yeah, I know. It was still your assumption which you gave me and I answered to. I just don't get it why people act like the worst case scenario will most likely happen or that this is the first thing coming to their minds when it can (and with a director like Barry Jenkins most likely will) go so many absolute understandable ways. We just have to wait and see. If it will turn out bad we can still hate about it but being so negative from the beginning isn't really healthy anyways
@@Vadigrie True. I mean people already hated movies like Wish. Even though we only got like one teaser and one trailer. And because someone said that this movie is evil and that is disrespectful towards God... Like huh?
They should have made Taka the orphan, not Mufasa. That would make more sense for Mufasa to be the rightful king.
UNLESS!!!
They are going the route that the "Rightful king" is the most responsible and the most worthy of having the responsibility of being King, with a noble heart, and a merciful soul, with an ideation of Balance, rather than being bloodline based, which could make sense as to why Taka is so upset, as he was pushed aside for Mufasa despite having the bloodline, and being the one who took Mufasa in. But maybe there is a secret law where the most worthy is chosen by the Great Circle of Life, which Taka must have thought was silly and stupid. Maybe his wanting to let the Hyenas back in was well intended, but the Hyena's were never respectful of the Circle of Life, so it was the reason they were banished. Maybe some of them did, but not enough of them did. Maybe it's less about Bloodlines, and more about hearts, and maybe Taka didn’t understand that, and thought that he had the bloodline, and he brought in Mufasa, and wanted the Hyena's to be welcomed back, so he must be good, at least in his mind. He also must have also been pinning for the throne the whole time with these actions, and basicly using these actions to sort ofm buy his way to the Throne, rather than actually understanding the responsibility of the Throne, and that these actions were suppose to be out of a noble heart, and a selfless soul. He mearly saw these actions as a means to an ultimate goal, to rule over the pridelands as it's king, and maybe he was spoiled and developed an entitlement additude in his princehood, which he never sought to correct within himself, nor did he ever care to. Maybe he had good in him that Mufasa and his parents tried to bring out and encourage, but he was never truely willing to look past himself, and it led him to a path of Evil.
No no this ruins everything. Mufasa even talked about the kings from the past after Simba almost died. He never said BTW I was adopted lol
See if this happened. I could rock with it a bit. If it doesn't, I'll just stay mad and cry 😭
to be honest I'm only gonna show up to watch Mufasa's life story because that was what I've always been curious about ever since I was a little girl I frankly don't care for the animation Disney's been dishing out poorly, I'm way passed disappointed to care anymore, I just watch their stuff just to listen to the story
Prediction: Make Scar a misunderstood villain and possibly have his own movie.
Really they think people went to see the 2019 movie because "MAN THOSE GRAPHICS ARE AMAZING YO."
No, they all came (now laugh) to watch a movie they already watched so it was more like a videogame remake. NOBODY will have a deep bond with "Mufasa the movie"
I'm glad to see someone else who is excited about this movie👍
In the original script scar is only a random strong lion and Mufasa is the king with blood stuff idk why they change something like that
I'd love to see Mufasa more in a villain role and Taka in a brighter light. I've read a theory that the hunger and draught that was during Scar's reign was actually just really bad droughts and it has nothing to do with his rule (which makes sense in a point that a single animal can't just break the wheel of life). So I am all here for that.
Wow i never thought i would feel sorry for scar and hate mufasa.
I only hope they don't make Mufasa the villian. He was my favorite character all throughout my childhood and I don't want them to ruin him 😭
It doesn't make sense that Mufasa is adopted and Scar is basically in the right lol.
I'm still excited about this movie though and I'll give it a chance
I can’t wait. I know a lot of people hated the remake but I loved it and can’t wait for this.
Tbh I am looking forward to this, I'd love to explore this as a different alternate universe. What I can't get over is they still name the poor guy "garbage" in Swahili.
Why is Disney so hellbent on destroying all of the good things they've ever done?
This is the third time they've rewritten Mufasa and Scar's backstory. And while I appreciate the love they're giving to this franchise I really wish they would stick to one story.
There is no love, only money.
Nah cuz it's a multiverse
In a leaked synopsis, we are told that Mufasa and Scar had to flee because of a pride of lions that threatened the existence of their pride. In a NEW PLACE their mutual loyalty will be tested and they will meet new allies. If Mufasa establishes himself as king in a new place and builds his own empire, he will not be a usurper. So... just wait!
Very interesting
Any “illegitimacy” backlash is just ridiculous. First, the color of Scar’s fur versus Mufasa’s would’ve normally suggested that Scar would’ve more likely been seen as being higher up in the social hierarchy and potentially the alpha of the pride in real life, barring any fights between the two wherein Mufasa wins. If that never bothered anyone, then why should this? Second, in real life an orphaned lion cub would immediately be killed off. Either by hyenas or the males of the ruling pride. So Mufasa even being allowed to live, let alone going on to become king, shouldn’t be scoffed at. Especially if his ascension is the byproduct of Scar’s vindictiveness. Lastly, there have been plenty of other stories told wherein a rightful child or heir or successor is passed over for or becomes jealous of the relationship between his/her parents and the chosen heir (ex. The House of the Dragon). If those stories could be deemed as acceptable, why can’t this one?
I was so mad about this I wanted a sequel based off the second lion king simbas pride
I feel like they could really revive the franchise with a Lion Guard movie, like how they made The Lion King 3. It could show Kion's life with Rani at the tree of life and all.
Fr world be 🔥🔥
I like this film already. Making Taka the true prince ,and Mufasa just bastard is very good. Gives points to Scar . I love it. Also ,them being not real brothers can solve Kovu problem and finally make him son of Scar without fearing him being related to his future maid Kiara
Disney is at it again. Make the villian sympathetic by tearing down an original hero
I hope they atleast touch on how scar and chenzi end up allied. I always thought chenzi was pushing scars buttons giving him ambision and basically making him her champion. But that is my head canon.
I find it interesting that they're including Kiara in this. I wonder if Kovu will make an appearance...
There's a lot of assumptions tbh. For all we know Mufasa IS royal and his parents will be revealed to have been kicked out by Scar's parents or something long ago, making it a twist and Scar bitter he was lied to. You can't really get anything out of the trailer.
Incidentally saying it could become derivitive...it is. Thats the whole movie XD
Me personally: I Blame the Takei aka scar father for making Takei hated, jealous & a villain out of him to Mufasa and Simba and joining the hyena side
making a sympathetic villain is good, but if you make a villain too sympathetic, then they can't be a villain.
What about redemption arcs ?
I guess scar died so he can't have 1.
Doesn’t Mufasa mean king
I wonder what he’s gonna grow up to be
everytime i see mufasa my mind goes to zoo tycoon
So Lion Guard is a joke to you Disney?! It looks like they made the faces more expressive like the original.
The lion guard was always a joke, it's not cannon.
The lion guard treated the movies as a joke anyways
The Lion Guard has never NOT been a joke. They literally had telekinesis, dude.
Feel like The Lion Guard was just some sort of Alternative Universe for The Lion King not gonna lie
@@geministrial950okay if your talking about the roar that would be controlling wind which is Aerokinesis not telekinesis
Only me who actually wanted a Mufasa story?
It's interesting that you brought up the hippo scene as reminding you of "I Just Can't Wait to Be King" and the circling animals as nothing. To me, personally, the hippos remind me of Kira and Kovu running of the crocodiles in Lion King 2. While the circling animals reminds me of the song. Just funny how different minds make different connections.
Should we even be surprised that the main character is the villain? That's basically the other stereotype Disney has been making for a while now.
They never said Mufasa would be the villain maybe he is just more profit to be a king than taka why are y’all assuming the worst?
I hate to admit it, but the more time passes since the trailer dropped, the more intrigued I become about how they're gonna tackle this story. Do I still hate Disney for their shady business practices and obvious cash-grabbing intentions behind this? Yeah, of course. But I cant deny that it looks gorgeous, and honestly once I've started seeing the CGI movies as an AU of the real TLK its less offensive to think about them.
Bro I keep seeing your comments under multiple tlk related videos and you're always so based. Anyways I feel the same way, the new backstory elements become a lot less maddening once you disconnect them from the animated movie's story.
I mean in the song scar sings ‘be prepared’ states “ injustice deliciously squared , be prepared”.
In the og Scar was just a brat who had really bad friends
@@falconeshield right, the song however, indicates scar received some injustice at some point . Which doesn’t excuse his behavior just a note of possible explanation.
I have a feeling that elephant stampede could be the origin of the elephant graveyard, where simba, nala, and zazu run into the hyenas in the OG movie.
WELL, if this movie ends bad... we can always make like it never existed.
Lion King is my favorite movie!!! This movie better not ruin anything
They should’ve made a movie about who Nala’s dad is
Wasn't it based on hamlet? Why make these changes where Mufasa wasn't Royalty
Yeah, it was. They confirmed it in a documentary about the making of the film that you can find on youtube. Apparently the movie was even gonna feature direct quotes from the play at some point (including Scar saying goodbye sweet prince to Mufasa before throwing him off the cliff) but they came to the conclusion that this was too on the nose and changed it.
I don´t know the cgi lions are not ketching me, but as 2d it totally would, I think it would also be cheaper at this point (like it was with Dragonball Super Hero movie) or they reusing the models from the first movie
The fact that Beyoncé came back for this film...😍😍😍
Are they making scar and mufasa not biologically related so they can justify Kovu being Scars son without the incest between kiara in an obvious third movie?
That would be interesting not gonna lie this retcon makes the 1st Lion King worse but could potentially make a Lion King 2 remake better
@@staraptorflock3661 yeah, that's all I can see this movies existence being for. Unless they genuinely just pitched a bad idea and it got approved. Either way it will be interesting to see if this movie will be what sets up a sequel whether its an original or lion King 2
The animation looks a lot more expressive this time. And an original story, even if it is in a pre established universe.
With this kind of information, I don’t know how to feel about it in this story, but what do know I will most likely hate watch it.😑😑😑
I hated this idea at first, but I’m warming up to it.
Mufasa doesn’t need to be the blood heir. I think it works even better tbh. He was so much more competent and beloved as a potential leader than Scar was that Scar’s own parents chose Mufasa to become King. Really hammers down why Scar shouldn’t ever be King while giving him a great reason to be envious enough to kill.
I’m also glad that this story isn’t a remake. It’s finally something new! Could be interesting and fun if handled correctly. Still hate how bland and unexpressive everything looks in it, though. Live Action without any color changes or expressive features is just bad.
I’m actually considering seeing it when it comes out, and yes despite me seeing the remake and thinking that it could be better.
Glad to see they actually *listened* to the criticism and made the characters a bit more expressive.
Despite that, I’m still holding my breath.
You can just pirate it beforehand so you dont waste your money in case its a flop
'Pathetic and jealous little brother'…sounds like the Spare.
Can you please do a ranking of all the Disney live action remakes from worst to best?
It's been almost 30 years since they started.
The only one that worked for me was The Jungle Book remake in 2016.
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994 And Cinderella (2015) didn't work for you because...?
@@0deadx21 I never saw it
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994 _Cinderella_ (2015) a visual masterpiece. It should be seen.
Star Kid's musical play Twisted did a far better job of asking "What if the bad guy wasn't the bad guy, but stories are always told by the victors?" There is even a cameo from some of the Disney characters show that they had the same thing happen (except one of them who is just evil). It came out a year before Maleficent did and is free on youtube.
Mufasa has always been a dick if you know the lore.
They should have just done it based on "A tale of two brothers"
Disney trying so hard to make villains out to be good guys is something I think people need to take note of.
Considering that Disney is the biggest villain of all time.
Usurping I don't think so. I think Mufasa will be adopted by Taka (Scar) and the royal family of the Pride Lands who will raise him as a member of their family. Mufasa will not initially be interested in taking the throne of the Pride Lands, he just wants to live his life, and he would have been happy for Taka when he was announced as the future king but with but to everyone's surprise, Taka's father and king of the Pride Lands will announce that his biological son Taka will not succeed him to the throne. Because he saw that ambition and selfishness reigned in his son's heart and would bring the Pride Lands into chaos, therefore choosing Mufasa who is surprised by this. Taka rightly gets angry and opposes his father saying that he rightfully deserved the throne of the Pride Lands, all his life he had waited for this and he wouldn't get it after efforts made to please him but Taka's father remains firm in his decisions. And in my opinion here comes Scar's slow decline towards jealousy, fomented however by hanging out with Kiros, the character who must appear in this story and who should be the villain. But Mufasa, like his son Simba, refuses to become king and endangers the circle of life.
So you know how people say that nobody wants an upcoming movie, and then it comes out and does big bucks?
This might be the one instance where that DOESN'T happen, and actually becomes a bomb.