One comment I’d like to make. If your only takeaway from this video is that I don’t like the film because it isn’t like the book, you weren’t paying attention. All of the films deviate from the books to some extent, and sometimes for the better. Goblet of Fire is the only one where it deviating is a symptom of a larger problem, the film’s lack of respect for itself.
@jackcunningham6136there are instances when it’s better. Emotional scenes are often much better in the movies, such as Cedric’s death and especially his dads grief. Snakes entire character is way better in the movies and also much more sympathetic. In the books it’s hard to feel anything for him even at the end to to him being an abusive POS. In the movies it’s at least toned down. Just two examples.
Hot take: David Tennant was an excellent casting choice for Barty Crouch Jr. The reason why he was so bad in this movie was bad direction and lack of material to work with. They cut Barty's backstory and left him 3 scenes so the director made him act like this to make him scarier. David Tennant can play this character and he has. His casting was good but not his direction. A different actor wouldn't have saved the character of Barty Crouch Jr.
Indeed! Tenant is a very versatile actor who can perform evil characters with disturbing accuracy. His portrayal of Dennis Nilsen was chilling to say the least. Goblet of Fire is probably the worst adaptation of all the 8 movies. It goes out of its way to change up characters, motivations and central themes. I think the criticism David Tennant gets, can also be applied to Ralph Fiennes, who performs a quite similar over the top cartoony version of Voldemort.
Barty crouch Jr was one of my favorite characters in the books, because of the huge plot twist when I was a kid, also he's one of the few death eaters we get a real backstory and interactions with instead of "uwu im a bad guy" so imagine how mad I was when I watched the movie 😭
And they also decided to tell everyone who he was befoore the grand reveal and SKIP the grand reveal when they got a great actor to do it. Jr's monologue at the end of Goblet is one of the best moments in the series
I'll give the movie that, yes. The graveyard and subsequent return to the screaming crowd through Papa Diggory's wailing agony was truly gripping and excellent filmmaking. It got me to rewatch it recently, and... the rest was a huge letdown.
@@danielhenderson3753 I thought GOF was excellent. But most people I’ve met said they hated it because it left a lot of the book out. Is that you’re reason for not liking it? Would you like it as a stand alone movie, if you didn’t read the books, and Dumbledore was not so angry?
Personally I hate the line at the end where they’re LAUGHING and Ron says ‘do you think we’ll ever have a quiet year at Hogwarts?’ Considering Cedric’s death plagues Harry and is meant to be a heavy blow and the next scene they’re all having a good old laugh 😂
One of the things I hate about this movie is how they tried to paint the other champions as antagonists to Harry. The tournament itself is Harry's enemy until Voldy's machinations are revealed at the end. Harry is just trying to SURVIVE it. He barely thinks about winning until he's deep in the maze and even then he tries to give it to Cedric with a "Hey man you signed up for this and I didn't" line when they're standing over the cup. It's like a sporting event infamous for its difficulty... like a marathon or the US Open. The ability to compete is its own honor. Fleur is a bit vain (French and pretty teen girl stereotype) but she softens considerably after the second task when her character gets more screen time. Krum is introverted and doesn't take to being a global superstar athlete. He reads like an Eastern European stereotype where he's cold and distant until the gang gets to know him better. Cedric is just a good kid who's worst crime is he beat Harry at Quidditch once and asked out Harry's crush before Harry did. Harry gets a giant dose of perspective after the graveyard and has MAJOR PTSD re: Cedric's death to the point where he breaks down in front of everyone and has to be sedated.
i actually find the "i love magic" line super endearing as a muggle-raised kid, largely neglected, it felt in-character and endearing to show he's still enamoured by it, compared to the weasley's who grew up with it and take it for granted
Yeah but like, that wasn't the first time he saw magic at work, it's his FOURTH year at Hogwarts and he had already seen a man turning into ashes in front of him, got carried by an actual phoenix, travelled back in time and other shenanigans, so it doesn't make sense for someone who has already experienced such magic feats just throw a random "lol I love magic".
@@OhSo_Bear I understand your opinion but just because Harry has experienced other forms of magic in other situations doesn’t mean he doesn’t appreciate it and is in awe of it and your examples while good I feel don’t connect well because in those situations Harry had just gone through so much at that point he was tired and anxious his mind wasn’t in oh this magic is cool it was in fight or flight mode and the only thing that mattered to him was surviving. Also we as people even with things we’ve seen a hundred times are still in awe by like when you see an airplane take off or someone do a backflip just because is it is ordinary and basic to most people in the wizarding world Harry was raised in the muggle world he’s still pretty fresh to things in the wizarding world. Plus he spends the majority of his time in hogwarts doing spells taught only to the grade he is currently in so he must’ve never seen it up to that point.
@@OhSo_Bear i think the casualness of the line is why it makes sense. it's supposed to show that despite being in the wizarding world for so long, harry continues to be in awe of magic, even the little things. it's like saying "I love film" after just seeing a cool moment in a movie you saw.
The reason everyone's hair is so long is because for the previous three films, the actors were told to grow it out by the hair stylists so they could get it cut as needed when they got to the set of the next film. No one told the director for Goblet of Fire this and he just kept it as is for the hell of it.
at the time I thought the hairstyles were by choice. I was around the same age as the characters in the movie and where I was from the long shaggy hair was the style at the time lol
I think the fact that ALL the main boys had long hair makes it goofy, but I don’t think any of them actually look bad with it, I especially like the look on Harry. I think if just Harry, just Ron, or just the twins had the style no one would bat an eye
His performance during Cedric's death is so true to the situation and the most powerful moment in the film, and one of the most powerful in the entire series.
@@RJAyes. You know Matthew Lewis (Neville) really did his homework as it’s clear (if you know the story) that he’s thinking about what happened to Neville’s parents 😢
Half-Blood prince is objectively way worse. 1. The Halfbloodprince doesnt Matter at all in that movie 2. Only 2 voldemort remories and the movie is streichen with the cheap plot that Slughorn is emberassed so he doesn't show the real memory 2. Extremely cringe romcom
There is a chapter in the Goblet of Fire book named "The Egg and the Eye". It consists of Harry figuring out the Golden Egg's clue, making Myrtle actually interesting instead of rapey, and then him sneaking back through the castle. In the movie, this is all that's kept. Instead of putting in the useless Beauxbatons and Durmstrang scenes, they should have added this masterpiece of a scene that follows the clue. Harry uses the Marauder's Map (never mentioned post PoA in the movies) and the Invisibility Cloak to sneak through the castle when he sees Barty Crouch moving around in Snape's office. Going to investigate, he accidentally falls into the ghost step (foreshadowed by Neville getting stuck prior). He drops the Marauder's Map and then the Golden Egg, which falls down the steps and starts screeching. Filch comes around and we think Harry's screwed, but then he blames it on Peeves (foreshadowed by Peeves specifically targetting Filch with other pranks prior). Snape comes along and we think Harry's screwed again, because Snape knows about the Marauder's Map AND the Invisibility Cloak. Still, Harry remains hidden, and Snape instead asks Filch about somebody breaking into his office, stealing Gillyweed (this was Dobby) and Polyjuice Potion supplies (this opens a new mystery that greatly empowers the impact of the Crouch Jr plot twist). As Harry is about to be caught, we hear *clunk clunk clunk*, which has become Mad-Eye Moody's signature callsign. We think Harry's screwed, because Moody's magical eye can see through Invisibility Cloaks (foreshadowed prior). However, Moody doesn't say anything to Snape or Filch about Harry being right there next to them. Moody accuses Snape, bringing his Death Eater history into discussion (something the movie completely fails to do). After telling him to leave, Moody says Snape dropped something, then points to the Marauder's Map. Harry mouths "It's mine! Mine!", Moody makes an excuse, but Snape catches on. "Potter," he says, "Potter! That egg is Potter's egg. That piece of parchment belongs to Potter. I have seen it before, I recognise it! Potter is here! Potter, in his Invisibility Cloak!" Now we TRULY think Harry's screwed. Moody accuses Snape once again, this time saying he'll tell Dumbledore that Snape is out for Harry. Snape admits defeat and leaves. Moody helps Harry up, returns his Egg and Map. Harry tells Moody that it was Crouch who broke into Snape's office. Moody appears to be thinking, but of course, we know he is Crouch Jr, and it was not Crouch Sr who Harry saw, but rather "Moody" himself. The imposter then drops this absolute gem of a line: "They say old Mad-Eye's obsessed with catching Dark wizards... but Mad-Eye's nothing - _nothing_ - compared to Barty Crouch." This is maybe the best piece of dialogue to re-read. It characterizes Moody, Crouch Sr AND Crouch Jr at the same time. It is Crouch Jr who is talking, but since he doesn't speak in the first person, he could very well be talking about the real Moody, who is still nothing compared to his father, the man who put his own son into Azkaban because he was a Dark wizard - all the while creating mystery for first time readers. This is the defining scene that ends the second third of the book. It is PERFECT. To top it all off, there is even *more* foreshadowing as Moody asks him if he managed to work out the clue (he actually told Cedric, hoping that he helps Harry), and then Moody asks him if he wants to pursue a career as an Auror, something that is brought up many times after this point. Notice how I mentioned that we think Harry's screwed like four times during the scene? That's *tension*. Something the movie completely forgets about, instead spending 20 minutes on the Yule Ball and not even doing it right. What, I wonder, was the point of cutting out this marvellous succession of events? Oh well, at least the graveyard was good.
damn, I've always remembered exactly this scene vaguely from the first time I've read The GoF (i was 9). I've always knew the film missing something important!
It was not a bad movie per se, but did very bad character building as part of a whole series. The protagonists feel very ackward, and my view of them became quite altered after watching it.
That's funny. Because I remember walking out of the cinema back then (I've read the book before though) and thinking: "wow, what a bad movie. If I didn't have read the book before, I wouldn't have understood shit." 😅
Huge fan of the books. This movie admittedly leaves out many important elements from the book. However, arguably the most important sequence from that story, Voldemort’s rebirth, is absolutely nailed in this film. And I stand by that. The mood of this entire franchise shifts when Wormtail kills Cedric, then proceeds to slice open Harry’s wrist and sever his own hand. It’s very disturbing. Voldemort looks horrifying, the way Finnes moves and hisses his lines is exactly the way I pictured him while reading the book. Radcliffe really shines here, selling Harry’s fear but determination to not be a coward and to face Voldemort anyway. It’s great and marks the point in this franchise where it’s not fun and games anymore. People are gonna die and it’s about to get very dark
For me it was really the little character moments that were missing from the movie that makes it the least favorite entry. They either mishandled characters or else cut important moments that were in the books. I'm the biggest defender of Harry as a character, and think he's both a well-written protagonist and also a likable and inspiring lead. But the movie didn't really demonstrate that. For example, the maze was incredibly disappointing and did very little to show Harry's bravery, resourcefulness, or quick-wit. He doesn't have to solve the Sphinx riddle or get past any dangerous obstacles. The most egregious change was having Cedric save Harry in the maze and Harry almost doesn't return the favor. In the book it's actually Harry who saves Cedric's life twice in the maze and injures his leg in the process, which is a huge hindrance to him when fighting Voldemort in the graveyard. I do agree that Radcliffe did a good job in the graveyard scene, though. But I think it was still better in the book, because Harry had to fight Death Eaters, hide behind gravestones and dodge curses and whatnot in order to get to the cup and escape. I don't think they make it very clear in the movie that the cup and Cedric's body were very far apart. And Harry risked his life to get Cedric back to his parents even though it would have been easier and safer to just take the cup and escape. My boy literally ran away from the cup and the means to escape to get Cedric's body.
@@janhavi1977 It did demonstrate that actually. Not really, and it did show all of that. He does have to get past dangerous obstacles though. True but Harry still saves him, same with saving others in the other trials too like Fleur in the lake for example.
@@janhavi1977 I do wish the movie made Cedric a more compelling character and gave him and Harry more of a relationship to give his death more impact, I don't think all that spectacle was necessary for the graveyard scene though. It was better to just have it be about Voldemort and Harry. the emotional weight of their confrontation was stronger than the action elements. The other death eaters were there, but they didn't interfere. they simply spectated.
The most disappointing thing about the music in this and future movies is that Voldemort himself doesn't have a memorable score to accompany him. It's always just creepy and eerie music. Big villains like him in big franchises usually have a memorable theme, something that almost becomes part of the character itself. I especially love when movies make the theme start just before the villain comes into the scene, such as how sometimes the Imperial March plays in Star Wars. It's like they're annouincing their presence, like trumpets before a king, something that demands everyone's attention. I don't think Voldemort needed a bombastic theme, but even a creepy jingle would have been enough.
Agreed. I think it’s because the movies switched between so many different composers who all wanted to make their own theme, so he never ended up having a definitive one.
You know, Star Wars Ep 3: Revenge of the Sith was released at the same year as Goblet of Fire, can you imagine the kind of score that John Williams would have provided, with epic and dramatic choruses like in Battle of the Heroes?
There are a couple of aspects of this film that I will defend: 1 - I do love Patrick Doyle's score. He didn't use John Williams's original themes as much as he could've, but the London Symphony Orchestra did a beautiful job performing the music and Doyle did have an interesting take of twisting up Williams' iconic "Hedwig's Theme". 2 - Roger Pratt's cinematography, for the most part, was beautiful and he gave the film a lot of interesting visuals. 3 - Stuart Craig was as consistent as could be with the overlook of the film series, his sets and the assistance of set decorator Stephenie McMillan being a top highlight of all eight Potter films. 4 - The visual effects were top tier for 2005 and do hold up when compared to VFX seen in most films nowadays. 5 - The castings of Ralph Fiennes and Brendan Gleeson were phenomenal additions to the cast.
Frank Bryce is done soooo dirty in the film!!! In the book, he has some great lines, such as the first scene where he faces Voldemort, where he tells him he doesn’t think much of his manners and to face him like a man. And also, in the graveyard scene, when he comes out of Voldemort’s wand, he says, ‘He was a real wizard, then? Killed me, that one did, you fight him boy.’ In the film, his only line is ‘Bloody kids!’
It's honestly crazy how someone can spend years of their life directing a multimillion dollar movie but cant take just 1 or 2 days to read the book of the movie your making is based on. If anything, it should have been required by his contract.
I honestly can't fathom the idea of directing a movie for such a beloved series as HP without reading the source material first. It's like at school at my exams when I wrote made up stuff about the required reading story I haven't actually red from the few impressions I got about it from other students. But someone actually did it irl and got payed for it.
You people don't seem to realize that Mike Newell did not write the screenplay, he directed it. He didn't full decide what elements from the book went in and what didn't. Assuming a director did not write the screenplay, he is given a script with which he is meant to bring a story to life. You also have to realize that movies cannot show everything that books portray. They have to stay somewhat on topic, and don't have time to introduce a million minor subplots like house elves, beetles, and quidditch world cups. The movie is already 2 and a half hours, and if they kept everything the book did, the runtime would've been very bloated, and this is coming from someone who loves 3+ hour movies. I'm not saying they couldn't have kept a little more in, but the world cup for instance would've been pointless to show and would really have disrupted the flow as it adds nothing to the plot. The fact that film critics liked it is saying something, and that at least means it's a well done movie whether book fans like it or not. Maybe you're a book fan more than a movie fan, and that's okay, but you have to know they are two very different art forms. I'm a huge fan of both, but can respect what the movie was able to do. Seeing how a movie compares to its book is not the only way to judge the quality of a movie.
@@ryangreene2159 The director has full creative authority. If the director read the screenplay and didnt like some aspects of it, they have the authority to cut or ask the screenwriter to add more scenes into the screenplay. Screenplay writers have creative control to an extent, but ultimately everything is the director's choice and the director gives the green light on just about everything.
@@Megadog33 Best in what, exactly? It literally erase important things like more of voldemort's past and doesn't even clarify the title (Snape only says "I'm the half blood prince" but we don't know why) in favor of some totally invented teeneger crushes... The best book turned out to be the worst movie
Fun fact I learned earlier this week! Their hair is so long because the new director didn't know that the previous director had told the actors NOT to cut their hair for styling purposes. The new director went on set, saw their hair, and was just like "ya, that's good, this is it"
the long hair is more accurate to the books. jk constantly refers to how long and unruly harry's hair is in the books and it always bothered me how much they just completely ignore that characterization in most of the movies (other than 3 and 4)
I don't think "I love magic" was that bad of a line. Harry grew up in the muggle world, and even having been a few years to Hogwarts, it's not farfetched that he would see a tent and think "meh, it's gonna be cramped in there" and then enter it and be like "Oh yeah, magic is a thing!"
Yeah, that was a weird criticism imo. Hes existed in the Wizarding World for 2 years... and not only comes from a non-magic family, but a family that doesn't even let him speak of it in the Summer. He's spent 18 months in Hogwarts, he would definitely still be amazed by seeing something like that. Especially cause he didn't encounter anything like that in school.
@@Darkko88well I think part of that is he sees everyone getting into a tent and, I don’t believe in the films so far, he’s been made aware of a spell that makes spaces larger or smaller; thus his surprise.
I think you’re kind of missing the point of why the Yule ball and krumionie doesn’t hit right in this film. Because they short change the other champions at every point in the film, the whole point of those scenes is lost. You never get to see or hear how talented the other champions are. The big point in the book is that Harry always feels like he’s out of their league and feels like he has to prove himself to others as well as himself. Also The trio doesn’t suspect Krum and karkaroff of putting Harry’s name in the goblet in the film as much as they do in the book. Instead of taking the mystery of who wants to kill Harry seriously, the film is more like a skim read of the main scenes of the book.
i agree as well. It seeems like there was a lot of things that were discussed in the book that were just skimmed or just thrown in at last minute to make this movie. it just feel like its all over the place.
There definitely is worse that coudlve been said. But theres just so much wrong in Harry saying that, and many other parts of this film. Not only does it not fit the character, but it also makes him seem kinda, dumb witted/ slow. It kinda gives this notion that hes still extremely new to magic and is just blown away by the smallest things. Like a kid in a candy shop. And as said not only does it not fit the character for harry, but its not even funny at all, not even a little bit. Like all the humor in this film -terrible! It only comes across as unfunny, low effort “humor” attempting to be funny, and is only extremely cringe.
@@xenon1800 I don't think it's meant to be a funny line at all. Harry exists as a vessel for the audience, so his first experiences with any kind of new magic is new to us aswell. Harry is being genuine when he says it. Critizing the delivery of the line and the directing is one thing, but you're completely missing the point of some of Harry's scenes.
@@Internetninjaz Thats fair to say. It maybe just the delivery idk. Anyways you may be correct. My only thoughts till your comment is that it just sounded so very corny that it could only be an attempt at humor (which failed).
Maybe for a muggle or even when Harry first got to Hogwarts. but after 4 years of the wizarding universe and everything he's seen a big tent is the first place he says "I love magic" ????
@@PiginaCage Well, it a new aplication of magic maybe he didn't knew existed, or never saw before in real life. I don't think that line is bad in any way.
I disagree with your point about the quiddach world cup. The outcome of the match itself would have had no relavence to the plot or characters, and the whole cup was to show the wizarding world being happy, so that the destruction of the deatheaters was all the more tragic. Also it showed Harry having a strengthened sense of family with the Weasleys and his friends.
I can accept the Quidditch World Cup not being necessary to the narrative. Cutting it entirely would have been understandable. Particularly since Quidditch is such a broken sport anyway, not to mention Krum's intentional team loss for his own personal victory. In any other sport, an athlete who did that would be benched, maybe even cut from the team, not to mention have his own supporters turn on him. The problem in the movie is the anticipation that builds up as the match approaches, followed by...nothing. Not even a reference to the final score or even the winner. It was just completely deflating.
My opinion is that goblet of fire is the best movie. Nice action, nice teen vibes, Hermione better looking than ever, nice challenges, nice last fight, nice cry from Cedric's father. But What a "WOW" moment seeing Hermione at the yule ball.
i hated prisoner of azkaban. the cutting of the explanation of the marauders was criminal to me, along with giving hermione ron's big hero moment in the shrieking shack. i couldn't stand it when it came out, and i can hardly stand it now.
@@pasaniusventris4113 I see this as a problem of the screenplay rather than the directing. The screenwriter loves Hermione to the point that he strips her off of any of her flaws and makes her *perfect* while Ron is being used more and more for comic relief, which doesn't do any justice to his character, which is very brave too! As a movie: the cinematics, overall flow, usage of music and leading actors of this age to be better actors - I feel that Cuarón really nailed it.
Every time I read this complaint from fans I think they should actually try to re-enact this moment from the book exactly as written so they will see that it's impossible for Ron with an injured foot to stand in front of Harry long enough to both hold him back and say "You'll have to go through me!". JK Rowling is shit at writing action.
I know. In the book Dumbledore was always leading Harry towards conclusions and important information. That question was to ensure that Harry would focus on that important factor that he didn't as Dumbledore already knew that to be the case. The movie? Assault Harry as if Dumbledore assumes he is a naughty attention seeker or something.
They did nail the dark shift in tone upon Voldemort’s return to full power. The sudden murder of a teenager just for being in the way, and Voldemort gleefully torturing a 14 year old had audiences dead silent in the cinema I worked at.
just found out from your video that Cuaron had a chance to shoot the Goblet (and potentially all the other movies I guess). I'm crying inside, what a masterpieces we've lost.
4:20 Okay everything else up until this point made sense, but how tf you expect some1 to react. Like Harry ain spend his whole life growing up around magic; I would have literally said the EXACT same thing.
That one gets me perhaps the most because it was such a distillation of Dumbledore's character, and his position as an older and wiser mentor for Harry (so also important that Harry's mentor trust him), and instead they added him to the teenage dramatics
I’d honestly prefer it if they cut out the Yule Ball and instead kept in the Quiddich World Cup. And if not that THEY COULDVE AT LEAST KEPT IN THE HOUSE ELVES OR BARTY CROUCH JRS BACKSTORY.
Yeah the Yule Ball was pretty cringey.. would've been so much better to follow the Quidditch Cup a bit more. They really did bungle the Barry Crouch storyline, too
Weird how everyone is seemingly seeing this video now. I completely agree with what you said. Feels like a weird movie. Especially after how crazy good Prisoner of Azkaban was.
I think what did it with this film was the tone. Cauron made a darker, edgier film with some comedic moments. Newell said he didn't know what to do after seeing 'Azkaban', since Cauron did his job too well. Newell's response: make the movie funnier. While the book has some funny moments, the ominous tone stays consistent, which in my opinion, is where Newell dropped the ball.
In fairness, the Prisoner of Azkaban movie was not viewed favorably at the time. It made the least money of the 8 movies. Most people thought it was too different and not what they wanted out of a Harry Potter movie. It's only years later that it's become a fan favorite.
Things i hate: Victor looks 51 instead of 18 Dragon destroyed everything and then just dies Removing "Harry's Dream" Removing everything at the Dursleys (Weasley's arrival) Removing Winky and Bagman (Crouch blames Harry and Ron which is stupid TBH) Cutting out the entire Quidditch Cup They replace Dobby with Neville Removing the singing song Dumbledore didn’t ask calmly
I'm so glad you made this video. When Harry was hoisted up with the egg absolutely basking in his victory I thought he was completely unrecognizable. Harry is way too humble a wizard.
I personally loved this film as a kid! I would watch goblet of fire and the 2 last movies whenever I felt down. And when I re-watched all the harry potter movies now that I'm a bit older, I thought it was some really good fun. Granted the book was far FAR superior, the movie was just some good entertainment! Or maybe I'm just biased and love the nostalgia I get from it. Great video though! Completely understand why you sent it to dantes inferno 😆😆
They’re all great watches if you don’t obsess over the changes from the book and inaccuracies. Of course that will ruin your experience and of course it would have been better almost in every case if they kept everything accurate to the book, but this is what we got and it’s still a very cozy nostalgic watch.
same here! this is one of my favs for sure... i never understood peoples obsession with how accurate movies are to books.... imagine if hte movies had all the books content! we'd have 20 hour long movies lol. to be fair I'd watch them
Yeah let’s not forget that Hermione is also 14 having a “mostly physical” relationship with an 18 year old. You never hear that mentioned enough. Creepy.
I never interpreted that line as them actually having sex.. Sure, it sounds like it, and Harry's reaction makes it clear he thinks so too, but Hermione clears it up by saying they don't talk much. So I figured she used the word "physical" to underline the contrast to "verbal".
15 years old. Not that it makes it much better, but her birthday is 19 September and it’s a hard cutoff of 1 September to be 11 to get into Hogwarts as a first year. Still illegal if their relationship is “physical,” like the movie says, as the age of consent in the UK is 16 and appears to have been in ‘94/‘95. And even if there was no sexual contact, it’s still very weird for Rowling to have written grooming into her story, especially when she generally avoids other serious real life stuff like drug use, teen pregnancy, rape, etc. Edit: Wait, I forgot she does include rape with what Merope does to Tom with the love potion. Yeah, that’s not really handled well either…
I was with you until 20:26. Half blood prince is also equally as bad if not the WORST out of all of the movies. It changes everything to a more comedic tone as well, and omits a lot of the source material including crucial memories of Voldemort's past to identify the horcruxes
@@avejantzero9090 idk, I think 4th is way cohesive, and the 5th and 6th are just all over the place. Of all the Yates movies I really enjoyed only Deathly Hallows Part 1
2:36 It's not true that Newel didn't read the book. In the making-of "Creating the World of Harry Potter: Evolution" Newel says "David Heyman came to me with number four and said, would I read the book? I read it and the book is vast."
One of my biggest problems with the Harry Potter movies (which is especially apparent in this film) is the way that line delivery is so poorly executed. I feel that the scenes feel so rushed because everyone appears to be delivering their lines in double time. One egregious example of this is Cedric Digory's death. "Kill the spare!" "Avada Kedavra" - it's like 3 seconds. Compare that scene to the way Stephen Fry reads these lines in the audiobook. The other big problem I have with these films is the way they dumb down some of the more interesting and intricate plot points and then never explain anything. Still mad that they never explained Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Pronges in Prisoner of Azkaban, and then in Order of the Pheonix Harry tells Snape "He's got Padfoot." The audience will be as clueless as Snape pretends to be if they haven't read the book. The Goblet of Fire does this as well with Barty Crouch.
I think the Yule Ball scene was necessary, mainly because the series needed to establish that the kids are growing up--it was the first time I grew to think of them as peers--but as little as an extra fifteen minutes could have provided many world-building plot details.
The thing about the hair is that they were told to grow it out before filming so they could get ut cut the right way at the start of filming the next movie, but the director liked everyones long hair and didn’t change it
Damn you didn't have to do Twilight Princess dirty like that. TP uses gloomy palettes tastefully, if you go run around hyrule field or lake hylia after removing the twilight they're full of color. TP has a huge range of environments with different color moods.
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Was just finished watching the video when I thought: "Hey here's a channel that has good taste in books and films, unfortunately that good taste and insight doesn't seem to extend to games based on treating another one of the best Zelda games in such a dismissive way." However, it could be a simple matter of preferences and I'm still hoping to find other videos on this channel that demonstrate a great level of measured and in-depth game critiques as well as more book and film analyses. If not, then at least there should be hopefully more book and film related stuff, at the very least. We'll just have to see... (Now to go down into Dante's Inferno and retrieve my copy of Twilight Princess so I can do another wonderful playthrough -it's strange, I don't remember leaving it in an entirely different game's case or, for that matter in a literal realm of eternal torment for the damned, let alone anywhere near The Divine Comedy or any such priceless antique reading materials... Funny, that. Oh well, that's life and classical Italian narrative poetry for you: full of wonder and ruin in varying degrees.) ^v^
I think TP has a beautiful dark fantasy aesthetic; I particularly love running around darker areas with the lantern and seeing the lighting effects. Some really beautiful sunset vistas, which I suppose is fitting for a game about "Twilight".
You can blame Mike Newell for the long hair. In a promo video for the reunion special, Radcliffe was asked about the hair. He said the boys were told to let their hair grow over the break from filming and the expectation was it would be cut/styled when they got back on set. But Newell decided he liked the long hair and made them keep it.
I think the franchise suffered a lot from having a carousel of directors. Too many people with different visions, imo the whole series does not feel cohesive whatsoever
I prefer the first 2 movies. They’re so fantastical compared to the dark edgyness of the later movies. Voldemort coming back should be very dark but it’s not like the interior wizarding world has to go from looking like Scotland to Eastern Europe
The reason why books 1-3 made such great movies and books 4-7 such bad ones, is because they were much longer books. Books 4-7 double the amount of pages of books 1-3 but the movies cannot double the screentime. So you have to adapt a book that is twice as long with the same amount of screentime. Honestly, books 4, 5 and 6 should have been adapted into 2 part films, like book 7 was.
At the very least, they should have bumped up the screen time (2005 was a bit before the whole splitting movies into two parts trend). Order of the Phoenix is the longest book yet the shortest movie aside from The Deathly Hallows Part II. The Chamber of Secrets sits at 2 hours and 42 minutes - a full half hour longer than Order of the Phoenix, and 4 minutes longer than this. Surely they could stretch to a full 3 hours for the generation that grew up on VHS/DVD copies of The Lord of the Rings movies? Plus, we literally grew up with Harry Potter. Part of growing up is learning to sit still for longer periods.
Mostly true, it did have a lot with the directors to do as well, but if I'm being honest, when they decided to make the movies 2.5+ hours long anyway, they could've cut out some of the romance and drama and made them 3 max 3.5 hours long, there's, in my opinion, no reason to make such complicated movies as short as possible
There was no way that would have been feasible tbf. Emma was already thinking about leaving, that probably would have tipped her over the edge. It won’t be done ‘right’ until there’s a tv series and it’s a season per book. First two books only need to be 4/5 episodes, gradually working up-to 8/10 for the later books.
I think the books are longer, but not necessarily very complex so a fair bit could have been cut and still result in excellent films. The problem was that Newell was vibrant but not attentive to the source materials, and Yates was attentive, but sucked the life out of the series and made everything feel awkward. I prefer Newell personally.
Goblet Fire being my favourite book, I cannot tell you the dissapointment I felt leaving the cinema. The first time in my life I'd felt that feeling. And the interviews that followed from Mike after just made the bitterness grow.
Unpopular opinion:GOF is my favorite HP movie 🤷🏻♀️ yes it has its flaws but the things they changed really didn’t bother me. And the I “ love magic” line- I think it is very in character for Harry. We’re in his head in the books and we constantly see how amazed he is at the magical world.
Me too. Glad I'm not the only one. Lol everything he mentioned in this video are things I actually love about the film... that includes the teenage drama 😂...
Unpopular opinion, I mainly love only the first four movies, the ones that followed - meeeeh for me, unfortunately. GOF was the first HP movie (and maybe even the first movie overall) that I'd seen in a cinema. I really enjoyed the dark theme of GOF, it portrayed the return of Lord Voldermort well. The following movies were supposed to be darker but they never were. GOF is the darkest movie out of the HP series and I like it. And like the majority of HP fans (onpopular opinion ends here) - the third book, movie (and even the game probably) is my absolute favourite. But the first two movies were so magical that I like them too of course. Like I said, I like the first four movies and don't really enjoy the ones that followed (the ones that were directed by David Yates).
Now that I’m rereading the books I’m bothered by the cuts and inaccuracies. Wish they had gotten a better director who actually cared and bothered to read the books, but I never hated this one. There’s a lot of good scenes and things to love. I still say there’s no bad Harry Potter movies, even though I absolutely hate how they changed Voldemort’s death scene. The cast is still great, that’s probably the best thing all the Harry Potter films have going for them, great setting and lore. Good effects, good action. But yeah book readers will always be bothered by the changes and want a 100% faithfully accurate ten hour movie. Fact is these were so good and so successful they won’t remake them for decades and I don’t want them to. This cast was lightning in a bottle.
Half blood prince is just brainrot. Instead of focusing on voldemorts backstory it focuses on romance. Its cringey, slow paced and worse if all fucking boring. At least, Goblet of fire is actually entertaining
Some fun thing about David Tennant being Barty Crouch Jr: The chapter that we find out he got the dementors kiss in was called The Parting of The Ways, and the 1st episode of Doctor who David Tennant appeared in was called The Parting of The Ways
I personally feel like Half-Blood Prince is much worse than Goblet of Fire. It's more rushed, scenes are added that weren't in the books which don't feel like they need to be there, and worst of all, they speedrunned Harry & Ginny's relationship and practically made Ginny have no personality. At least Goblet of Fire kept the essential moments, and didn't make the characters feel ooc.
My take on that is that HBP spent more time delivering the depths and meanings of the story instead of trying to be what this film was. Both have their strengths and weaknesses for sure!
Plus in the book they spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out who the half blood prince was so the reveal was meaningful. In the film they didn't seem to care so the reveal was pretty meaningless.
I don't think any of the movies are bad by a long shot. They all have different points to make. This one I felt had some off moments but overall I thought it was kinda genius, the entire bombastic sequence of outrageous over the top events I think serves as the perfect red herring for the trauma harry experiences at the end. The whole movie he's thinking "oh no this isn't good, nothing is right, nothing is ever right, but everyone's so excited and happy, maybe I should be too, maybe I should be proud, maybe I did earn that prize" BOOM voldemort was luring you in this whole time, have fun reliving your torture, your friend dying, and living with the guilt while the walking apocalypse builds his strength again thanks to you. I think it's a wild ride but it's genius character development, Harry is a kid and this movie made him a man.
Just gonna say, if someone brought a burning candle near my face while I was asleep, and in fact, while I was having nightmares, my first instinct would be to slap it out of their hand. ... And then I'd probably rush to put out the fire it caused. ... And then whoever did that would get a piece of my mind. Seriously, please don't bring burning candles to people's faces, Hermione!
1 part that always makes me go eh.. is the dance they have, like it literally brings nothing to the movie except teen angst and drama and in a movie where so many other plot points should have been fleshed out more, or scenes we could have got but didn't because of, this could have been removed and not have had an impact on the movie.
The movie makes complete sense if you consider the audience, age restrictions and darker themes in the later movies. The audience of 7+ in 2001 were now 12+ in 2005 and entering puberty. A lot of the themes are related to this.
I agree. However, the director didn't have to be a complete creep about it. You can't tell me some of the scenes or shots feel appropriate for an underage actor to film.
When I first watched Goblet of Fire, I was extremely confused by it, especially in the first part of the film before we get to Hogwarts. It's only when I actually read the book that I understood the film properly and there's still loads of stuff missed out of the film that make it hard to understand. The next worst one has got to be the Half Blood Prince because it leaves out too much information about Voldermort that is important to knowing his past and understanding how to defeat him.
I absolutely DESPISED the Prisoner of Azkaban movie. My favorite part of the book is that whole Whomping Willow scene with the kids meeting Sirius, Lupin and Snape coming in, and the whole Marauders backstory. They rushed through it all; it was terribly done. I'm still annoyed about that talking head useless chase scene, and the dumb tangents they wasted time on instead. I just missed Columbus and the real Dumbledore. After that, I felt like the Goblet of Fire movie was alright. My expectations were suuuuper low by that point. But I absolutely agree with everything you said here. I just think movie #3 was even worse.
This movie is about growing up. In the previous movie they were still kids. And this one is were they are teenagers, and I think the movie showed it well. And there's still a lot of magic in it - compared to next movies.
Half blood prince is easily the worst movie in the series. Turning a book that focuses on horcruxes and Voldemort’s past into a teenage rom com was a terrible idea. Especially since Harry & Ginny have no chemistry
Harry and Ginny have no chemistry in the movie because literally ZERO of their scenes together in the book make it into the movie (also, none of their scenes in Deathly Hallows are in those two movies either). Ginny was entirely rewritten in the films. All of her most iconic and memorable scenes in the books were taken out. The only movie in the whole series where she is in character is Chamber of Secrets, which is sad because she develops so much in the later books to become such a fantastic character. If you watch Order of the Phoenix closely, you can tell they at least tried to put a little bit of Ginny’s personality into that film, but it is so subtle that viewers who haven’t read the books won’t catch it. The problem is that book is the longest in the series, and they had to cut a lot out. However, this makes Half Blood Prince even worse because it makes Harry and Ginny’s relationship come out of nowhere. Whereas in the Order of the Phoenix book, Harry and Ginny share a lot of really important moments that set the foundation for their relationship, and since Ginny makes the Quidditch team in Order of the Phoenix, the reader also discovers her true personality for the first time, and not just her awkward appearances around Harry. Ginny really comes into her own in Order of the Phoenix and puts Harry in his place when he needs it most (the scene where they talk about what it’s like being possessed by Voldemort). So honestly, I think the Order of the Phoenix movie is also partially to blame for their horrible on screen relationship in Half Blood Prince. However, Half Blood Prince didn’t even try. AT ALL. Like, their first kiss was completely rewritten, we didn’t get the tattoo scene, all of the good Quidditch scenes were cut, such as Harry getting hit in the head with a bludger because he was staring at Ginny and Ginny flying into the stands because Zacharis Smith was being a jerk (he wasn’t even in any of the movies), and Harry’s breakup with Ginny doesn’t even happen in the movies which is completely stupid because the reason he breaks up with her speaks volumes about is character and really helps both him and Ginny grow into stronger characters by the end of Deathly Hallows. Like, Harry and Ginny’s breakup is the antithesis of Anakin and Padmé in Star Wars, and it shows how valiant of a hero Harry is. And the best part? Ginny isn’t even mad about it. She expected Harry to do it because she understands who he is. She even says that him being a “noble idiot” is why she likes him so much. Basically, the films absolutely massacred Ginny. Her only “in character” moments were in Chamber of Secrets. It’s so infuriating.
Did they cut a scene of the world cup game? Maybe make it shorter and they might have felt it was too long and didn't match well with the next scene or something similar? I can see why Harry would say he loved magic, after all he lived in a muggle house all his life up until he got his letter from Hogwarts accepting him there so he is still surprised at all that. I grew up in the country and forest lots of trees and creeks singing birds etc, but I never get tired of seeing and hearing the leaves being blown by the wind and hearing that creeky trees when the wood inside the trunk or limbs rub up against another wood structure causing that sound kinda like that sound you get when your slowly snapping a dry dead twig in half and it still has some give to it and not completely dried out and went dusty and rotted. I still get amazed looking at the beautiful fall leaves of different colors. I very special place for me that I love to go, it has a underground natural spring. It comes so clear so clean and the conservationists built a brick wall and screen over where the water comes out to keep larger animals in or any as a matter of fact, but people, myself included, go there to fill up water jugs that they and myself keep after finishing a gallon of milk or water they are useful for that and the water is free. Oh man is it wonderful! It's the best tasting water I have ever had. The minerals in the water that the rocks sand clay etc filtering it naturally but the minerals stay in it a natural reverse osmosis kind of way. When I lived near that area we never bought water to drink. No one in the area and I was so surprised that the park officials didn't charge people not for themselves but for the upkeep of the park. I guess the camping fee is enough they did go up on the price because of upgraded remolded bathrooms. But every time I would go I would fall in love with that place again and again, so beautiful and amazing. So it's not really out of the Harry character or anyone's character to be amazed by something they are familiar with. Anyways please love nature more find the time to go camping it really does relax you, you will just take off so much stress. There's something magical about the forests when camping that could get you saying " I love camping" or "I love the outdoor life!"
I’m glad tbh cause the way slavery was handled in the books was atrocious, and honestly, I don’t wanna see Ron, Fred and George, and basically everyone in gryffindor make fun of hermione for caring about ending slavery. Harry even supported it too and it wouldn’t be a good look to have your main characters supporting slavery and shutting down someone for wanting to abolish it
@@lilysflower9685 the spew story clearly shows that house elves aren't unethical if you treat them well. It's not like keeping humans as slaves, they're a magical creature whose life purpose is to serve, and we repeatedly see that they actively avoid freedom. It's mistreatment like the malfoys and Dobby's that is clearly heinous, but even Dobby then chooses to work, and while he accepts payment, the others all clearly refuse to take it. I suppose you could argue they have just been taught not to accept payment, but you would think if they actually desired it at least one of the hogwarts elves would have joined Dobby in requesting payment
Because some of us actually take the time and think "hey, some of these arguments sound like the shit you here from pro-slavery bastards in pre-Civil War US". No wonder you guys drive me spare, you're just pro-slavery as long as it's the good guys being slaveowners.
As bad as it was, it was my favorite growing up😂 but you CAN’T DENY the lake scene! I was so in awe with how that was shot I watched a behind the scenes video. It was all done underwater and then they re-recorded Harry’s lines after. Mad props to Daniel Radcliffe for training to do that whole scene underwater👌🏼
Can you please explain why Harry simply stating, "I love magic" at 4:19 is completely out of character for him because I don't understand? Sure it's cheesy sounding but I thought Harry considered the magical world his actual home compared to being constantly abused in the Muggle world by the Dursleys, plus, I think the line is meant to act as a sort of dramatic irony because Harry's whole view of the wizarding world and magic definitely changes forever after the tragic ending of this film/movie. Also, I don't agree with you at all at 24:23 that the cinematography of the Half-Blood Prince is quote on quote "stunning" simply due to the film's awful color grading. I'm not that big of a fan of the way David Yates directed his Harry Potter films and this video perfectly explains why => ruclips.net/video/urdV6VUfpnI/видео.html.
Half Blood Prince is imo most dark and depresing movie in series thats why color grading is like that it symbolize story and tone of the movie and just fits better you think colorful color pallete would fit better there? There is reason why for example horror movies have often moody and dark lighting, why movies where action is in cold places have cold color pallete, why in warm places there is warm color pallete etc.
@@Extreme96PL I would agree with you, but there are scenes in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince that just don't make any sense at all for the color grading to be so dark and dull. For example, the Quidditch scenes in the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince shouldn't be so heavily desaturated like they are in the final cut of that film/movie. I would argue that the dark parts of the story would feel even darker if they contrasted it with the more bright and colorful and joyful moments => ruclips.net/video/wX7vPiMPXPQ/видео.html.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 to be honest this edit you linked it looks more like just brightness and contrast boost and i kinda agree it would look better like this in these scenes(maybe except Quidditch scenes its a bit too bright in my opinion which cause sometimes background to lost visibility because of snow which is bright and white on its own) but maybe they thought it would be too drastic to movie change between this and more dark lighting and color pallete especially that great hall also appear later in movie after Snape killed Dumbledore .
Painfully accurate . The film is so bad that I tend to look at the book with some disdain . But I am reading it again now and this video helps me remember that it's the movie , not the book which I loathe . On an unrelated matter ... using the word '' angst '' to depict anger ( especially of teens ) is grossly misapplied . I have few pet peeves , but this is one of them . Angst has NOTHING to do with anger . It's more akin to fear or trepidation with anxiety . Solid , solid video in every way . Hit's all the points - which are all well made , quickly and concisely , with thoroughness . A very fair and informed critique . Well done sir .
I havent even read the book and my initial thoughts of this film were similar… Not only did it feel like it never built up to anything, but it also constantly left me feeling unfamiliar with the new characters. As someone who never read the book and knows nothing of the other champions, they nailed it if giving us these new characters with no backstory, personality, and familiarity was what they were going for. (Not to mention how you said the characters are completely different from the book. I cant imagine sitting through this having read the book) Like you said a 700 page book has so much to reveal translate to a film so EVERY second of every scene matters. This film cuts so much out and the scenes that are included often dont move the story forward much. Pair that along with the terrible humor, and unnecessary scenes that amount to nothing and build no plot or takeaway theme leave this film without a doubt the worst film of the series.
I mean it built up to Voldemort getting resurrected. Eh it left me familiar with them. I mean they had that stuff in the movies. They are not completely different or at least most are not. Most of the important stuff is still there though and we still have scenes that have the characters bonding with each other which is nice to see. The humor is not terrible, and not all of the scenes are unnecessary and they do amounnt to stuff at times and build up some plot like with the ball for example.
I’ve always being curious how would I take the movies (especially the last 5 of them) if I never read the books previously, but I don’t think I would care for it much I kinda just learnt to like them as live action snaps of the books, not a proper/good adaptation of it. And overall I just never took it for granted seeing Hogwarts come to ‘life’ 😊
In an alternate universe, Cuarón directed GoF and the rest of the franchise and it was beautiful and passionate and wonderful and John Williams stayed on as composer for the franchise and everything was cohesive with attention detail and masterfully crafted from a filmmaking and visual storytelling aspect.
Yeah this film got done dirty. It's arguably one of the best books in the series. It was the book I enjoyed most as a kid for sure. The reason the film didn't work was simply because the director chopped too much out. It was meant to be a mystery thriller, but they cut out most of the mysteries: - Did Barty Crouch commit the crime he was imprisoned for? (The book is ambiguous about it but the movie is dead set that he did it). - What happened to Bertha Jorkins? (The film entirely cut this out). - Who put Harry's name in the cup? (The only one they kept in) Also they missed out the Quidditch World Cup and SPEW. Also also... Where tf was Dobby?
I ask where tf was dobby all the time. He played an enormous role in the books, and if they'd made him a main character that he was, his death would have hit the non-book fans just as hard as it did us readers.
16:02 the point of this isn’t to show that harry is selfish and would let Cedric die, it’s to show that despite the maze’s temptations on Harry’s mind he stands to his TRUE character and helps Cedric. I can understand how seeing harry give thought to leaving Cedric could upset you, but this scene was supposed to show Harry’s resolve, not to make you hate him.
I have never seen any of your videos but I will now catch up on what I have missed, because I love the humour and the book-movie-comparisons, especially because I never re-read the books and don't remember a lot of the details. This was a fun lunch break for me, thank you!
mine too it opened whole world to us they shoved us house elfs are everywhere in hogwards krum was pretty tragic character along with cedric and barty crouch jr was really well written all of that was way better than movie that buthed even yule ball and dont even trying to show dobby or winkie whole movie was 2-10 and book 9-10 because the tone of book was really discriptive they even tall us about meals that were on table when students from france and maybe bulgaria come there that is big mystery too where is crums school so it really is shame that the movie butched it up
@@Charizardlison the book is pretty underrated and much better than ootp which was way too long and dragged on because jkr had writers block during it and it shows 😭
@@honeyxbees it‘s a great read, but the whole idea of inflitrating hogwarts with a deatheater to make harry win the tournament to get him to touch a port key to get him to voldemorts rebirth is beyond all logic haha
I read somewhere that the reason the whole cast had long hair is that they, which is typical, were all asked to grow their hair out pre-filming so they had enough for stylists to work with. However, for this film, the cast showed up with their natural long hair and there were no stylists, the director ignored all of it and just filmed.
Wow. All the little things that matter were ignored and it’s blatantly obvious in this film… The potential of this film and the what couldve been is so great, how sad.
I’m not ashamed of a lot, but I am of the director of this movie. Hearing him across multiple interviews complain about the length of his movie’s *source* just tells me he doesn’t like to work hard on his movies. Only what makes him comfortable. Shameful choice for director.
@Garner I haven't seen the interviews but I'd say it's reasonable as a director to be daunted by the massive leap in length of the books from POA to GOF, you've gotta make the same length movie out of a much longer book and you're the first director to have to do that for this franchise.
@@tinyfreckle I understand your point. Perhaps I jumped on him a bit too readily. I feel like I’m more upset with the fact that it was a point of contention across a few interviews and it personally irked me
The second one will always be my #1 fave, it introduces Draco’s father, and the actor who plays him, is a really choice for him, I also loved the past scenes with Tom, HP2 was just the best for me.
@@princesssmileyface91 i somewhy hated the CoS (even the book, i don't know why) when i was a kid but recently i rewatched the movies and yeah, it was one of the best ones. Christian Coulson was a GREAT pick for Tom Riddle. He actually seems charming but disturbing at the same time. I know he was a bit too old to play Tom Riddle in the HBP but damn he was spot on in the second one! Hero Fiennes Tiffin on the other hand seemed just creepy in the 6th film and it made me wonder as a kid why on earth Dumbledore didn't sense he was evil.
What’s ironic is that the Goblet of Fire is my favorite book in the series, but the film is my least favorite of all. There is so much that is left out that needs context to understand, and the book is a lot darker than the film, which is to demonstrate how much serious the series becomes after this point. Even the fifth movie is more enjoyable to watch, which is ironic because the corresponding book is the one that I least look forward to rereading, a lot of which is due to having to watch Harry being constantly put down and frustrated during the book, which makes his emotional explosion at Dumbledore after the climax all the more satisfying to read given how emotionally exhausted he is.
Thank you for all the great comments! My next video is going to be a ranking of the eight Harry Potter films. It'll be a much more positive video than this one, and I'm excited to share my opinions on the other movies. See you all soon!
Personally as in in-theater experience the only one that I thought was truly miserable was Azkaban. As well as mangling the book far worse than any of the others I found the direction truly awful compared to the source material. Maybe it's just because it was too far away from the first two movies which I'd say are the best of the lot as movies.
One day I told a friend that I was watching a Harry Potter marathon, because I was getting back into the lore and the plot, I always liked the first 2 and even a bit of the 3rd although now I appreciate it much more, you could say that since Goblet of Fire the decline of the franchise begins, though I loved the film and at least it didn't put me to sleep like Half Blood-Prince on first views, guess the darker cinematography didn't help, then that friend replied "for me the best were 4 and 6, in fact 6 is very good, I would say one of my favorites", he also read the books lol, I don't know what you think about that. Mike Newell is not a bad director but his understanding of Wizarding World reminds me of Rian Johnson (not a bad director either) with The Last Jedi. Guess they picked Newell because he was the first british director in the saga. Edit: I just found funny that you put Swenney Todd shaving Snape LOL
Yes! It was my favourite book but the movie just baffled me in just how many absurd choices it made in the adaptation. That being said, I do like the slightly more dreamlike yet significantly darker tone of the movie, which matches the book. Additionally, the graveyard scene was genuinely the most genuinely terrifying Voldemort has ever been. And finally, the tonal dissonance in the scene when Harry returns with Cedric's body to fanfares and cheering and then Amos' SCREAM is just absolutely CHILLING. It's so perfectly sadistic to the viewer that it almost makes up for all of the missteps earlier in the film.
alot of people after i mention this too that do any of you like me hate that they wear muggle clothes about 70-80% of the time ? after 2nd movie more for sure in GOF its like are you at a Wizard school or a muggle school. Doesnt give off wizard or witch v ibes. I noticed this way back when first saw it. Not to mention all that you said flaws and this is the WORST book to movie of Harry potter only 30% good to me but wearing muggle clothes alot and in other movies too much kills the vibe of wizard and witch. I really hated the new dumbledore could of found anyone better and calmer. Even after GOF.
It's my second favorite in the series (the first episode being first on my list). But the idea of a tournament where the kids could die never made sense. Who would volunteer for that? And when Harry's name came up, why didn't he immediately deny it, instead of remaining silent? And why was Ron so pissed-off? Why couldn't Harry just say "Hey, Ron, somebody else put my name in the goblet" right away? Aside from these types of flaws, the overall movie was still a fun watch.
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One comment I’d like to make. If your only takeaway from this video is that I don’t like the film because it isn’t like the book, you weren’t paying attention. All of the films deviate from the books to some extent, and sometimes for the better. Goblet of Fire is the only one where it deviating is a symptom of a larger problem, the film’s lack of respect for itself.
yes i agree!!
@jackcunningham6136there are instances when it’s better. Emotional scenes are often much better in the movies, such as Cedric’s death and especially his dads grief.
Snakes entire character is way better in the movies and also much more sympathetic. In the books it’s hard to feel anything for him even at the end to to him being an abusive POS. In the movies it’s at least toned down. Just two examples.
@jackcunningham6136book 5 is the perfect reply for this
Would you laugh if somebody cast Avada Kedavra on David Yates?
I like The Goblet of Fire. So I respect your opinion.
Hot take: David Tennant was an excellent casting choice for Barty Crouch Jr.
The reason why he was so bad in this movie was bad direction and lack of material to work with. They cut Barty's backstory and left him 3 scenes so the director made him act like this to make him scarier.
David Tennant can play this character and he has. His casting was good but not his direction.
A different actor wouldn't have saved the character of Barty Crouch Jr.
Indeed! Tenant is a very versatile actor who can perform evil characters with disturbing accuracy. His portrayal of Dennis Nilsen was chilling to say the least. Goblet of Fire is probably the worst adaptation of all the 8 movies. It goes out of its way to change up characters, motivations and central themes. I think the criticism David Tennant gets, can also be applied to Ralph Fiennes, who performs a quite similar over the top cartoony version of Voldemort.
Tennant is always a good choice.
Barty crouch Jr was one of my favorite characters in the books, because of the huge plot twist when I was a kid, also he's one of the few death eaters we get a real backstory and interactions with instead of "uwu im a bad guy" so imagine how mad I was when I watched the movie 😭
He wasn’t even bad in the movie
And they also decided to tell everyone who he was befoore the grand reveal and SKIP the grand reveal when they got a great actor to do it. Jr's monologue at the end of Goblet is one of the best moments in the series
Graveyard scene was absolutely bone-chilling the first time. Imagine few scenes more from the books!
i don’t think he said anything about a graveyard
I'll give the movie that, yes. The graveyard and subsequent return to the screaming crowd through Papa Diggory's wailing agony was truly gripping and excellent filmmaking. It got me to rewatch it recently, and... the rest was a huge letdown.
@@danielhenderson3753 I thought GOF was excellent. But most people I’ve met said they hated it because it left a lot of the book out. Is that you’re reason for not liking it? Would you like it as a stand alone movie, if you didn’t read the books, and Dumbledore was not so angry?
That was the best part. The dance and teen angst I could have did without. That being said 4 and 5 are my favorite HP movies.
Personally I hate the line at the end where they’re LAUGHING and Ron says ‘do you think we’ll ever have a quiet year at Hogwarts?’
Considering Cedric’s death plagues Harry and is meant to be a heavy blow and the next scene they’re all having a good old laugh 😂
Well some people do use inappropriate humor as a defense mechanism.
personal experience?
Chamber Of Secrets is my favourite of the HP films.
@@JJ-yn4cj think it’s more just the timing of it. Straight after Cedric’s funeral 🤨
@@candykkhorsesngp925 still again defense mechanism, and frankly it does sound like something Ron would say
One of the things I hate about this movie is how they tried to paint the other champions as antagonists to Harry. The tournament itself is Harry's enemy until Voldy's machinations are revealed at the end. Harry is just trying to SURVIVE it. He barely thinks about winning until he's deep in the maze and even then he tries to give it to Cedric with a "Hey man you signed up for this and I didn't" line when they're standing over the cup. It's like a sporting event infamous for its difficulty... like a marathon or the US Open. The ability to compete is its own honor.
Fleur is a bit vain (French and pretty teen girl stereotype) but she softens considerably after the second task when her character gets more screen time. Krum is introverted and doesn't take to being a global superstar athlete. He reads like an Eastern European stereotype where he's cold and distant until the gang gets to know him better. Cedric is just a good kid who's worst crime is he beat Harry at Quidditch once and asked out Harry's crush before Harry did. Harry gets a giant dose of perspective after the graveyard and has MAJOR PTSD re: Cedric's death to the point where he breaks down in front of everyone and has to be sedated.
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Dumbledore asked calmly
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i actually find the "i love magic" line super endearing
as a muggle-raised kid, largely neglected, it felt in-character and endearing to show he's still enamoured by it, compared to the weasley's who grew up with it and take it for granted
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Yeah but like, that wasn't the first time he saw magic at work, it's his FOURTH year at Hogwarts and he had already seen a man turning into ashes in front of him, got carried by an actual phoenix, travelled back in time and other shenanigans, so it doesn't make sense for someone who has already experienced such magic feats just throw a random "lol I love magic".
One good line out of a botched movie
@@OhSo_Bear I understand your opinion but just because Harry has experienced other forms of magic in other situations doesn’t mean he doesn’t appreciate it and is in awe of it and your examples while good I feel don’t connect well because in those situations Harry had just gone through so much at that point he was tired and anxious his mind wasn’t in oh this magic is cool it was in fight or flight mode and the only thing that mattered to him was surviving. Also we as people even with things we’ve seen a hundred times are still in awe by like when you see an airplane take off or someone do a backflip just because is it is ordinary and basic to most people in the wizarding world Harry was raised in the muggle world he’s still pretty fresh to things in the wizarding world. Plus he spends the majority of his time in hogwarts doing spells taught only to the grade he is currently in so he must’ve never seen it up to that point.
@@OhSo_Bear i think the casualness of the line is why it makes sense. it's supposed to show that despite being in the wizarding world for so long, harry continues to be in awe of magic, even the little things. it's like saying "I love film" after just seeing a cool moment in a movie you saw.
The reason everyone's hair is so long is because for the previous three films, the actors were told to grow it out by the hair stylists so they could get it cut as needed when they got to the set of the next film. No one told the director for Goblet of Fire this and he just kept it as is for the hell of it.
Kinda based ngl
I liked their hair in this one, specially Ron's one, they should have keep it like that.
That’s just aggravating to learn. Because that just shows exactly how little the director cared about making this film.
at the time I thought the hairstyles were by choice. I was around the same age as the characters in the movie and where I was from the long shaggy hair was the style at the time lol
I think the fact that ALL the main boys had long hair makes it goofy, but I don’t think any of them actually look bad with it, I especially like the look on Harry. I think if just Harry, just Ron, or just the twins had the style no one would bat an eye
The best actor in Goblet of Fire was Jeff Rawle, who played Amos Diggory. He was there for like 2 scenes, and he killed it in one of them.
His performance during Cedric's death is so true to the situation and the most powerful moment in the film, and one of the most powerful in the entire series.
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He was great but mad eye Moody's actor was also excellent. The unforgivable curses scene is one of the best things about this movie.
@@RJAyes. You know Matthew Lewis (Neville) really did his homework as it’s clear (if you know the story) that he’s thinking about what happened to Neville’s parents 😢
@@RJABrendan Gleeson Irish actor pretty famous
Half-Blood prince is objectively way worse.
1. The Halfbloodprince doesnt Matter at all in that movie
2. Only 2 voldemort remories and the movie is streichen with the cheap plot that Slughorn is emberassed so he doesn't show the real memory
2. Extremely cringe romcom
This.
I do think this film mucks up a lot compared to the source material, but I do genuinely have more of a fun time rewatching it.
There is a chapter in the Goblet of Fire book named "The Egg and the Eye". It consists of Harry figuring out the Golden Egg's clue, making Myrtle actually interesting instead of rapey, and then him sneaking back through the castle. In the movie, this is all that's kept. Instead of putting in the useless Beauxbatons and Durmstrang scenes, they should have added this masterpiece of a scene that follows the clue.
Harry uses the Marauder's Map (never mentioned post PoA in the movies) and the Invisibility Cloak to sneak through the castle when he sees Barty Crouch moving around in Snape's office. Going to investigate, he accidentally falls into the ghost step (foreshadowed by Neville getting stuck prior). He drops the Marauder's Map and then the Golden Egg, which falls down the steps and starts screeching. Filch comes around and we think Harry's screwed, but then he blames it on Peeves (foreshadowed by Peeves specifically targetting Filch with other pranks prior). Snape comes along and we think Harry's screwed again, because Snape knows about the Marauder's Map AND the Invisibility Cloak. Still, Harry remains hidden, and Snape instead asks Filch about somebody breaking into his office, stealing Gillyweed (this was Dobby) and Polyjuice Potion supplies (this opens a new mystery that greatly empowers the impact of the Crouch Jr plot twist). As Harry is about to be caught, we hear *clunk clunk clunk*, which has become Mad-Eye Moody's signature callsign. We think Harry's screwed, because Moody's magical eye can see through Invisibility Cloaks (foreshadowed prior). However, Moody doesn't say anything to Snape or Filch about Harry being right there next to them. Moody accuses Snape, bringing his Death Eater history into discussion (something the movie completely fails to do). After telling him to leave, Moody says Snape dropped something, then points to the Marauder's Map. Harry mouths "It's mine! Mine!", Moody makes an excuse, but Snape catches on.
"Potter," he says, "Potter! That egg is Potter's egg. That piece of parchment belongs to Potter. I have seen it before, I recognise it! Potter is here! Potter, in his Invisibility Cloak!"
Now we TRULY think Harry's screwed. Moody accuses Snape once again, this time saying he'll tell Dumbledore that Snape is out for Harry. Snape admits defeat and leaves.
Moody helps Harry up, returns his Egg and Map. Harry tells Moody that it was Crouch who broke into Snape's office. Moody appears to be thinking, but of course, we know he is Crouch Jr, and it was not Crouch Sr who Harry saw, but rather "Moody" himself. The imposter then drops this absolute gem of a line:
"They say old Mad-Eye's obsessed with catching Dark wizards... but Mad-Eye's nothing - _nothing_ - compared to Barty Crouch."
This is maybe the best piece of dialogue to re-read. It characterizes Moody, Crouch Sr AND Crouch Jr at the same time. It is Crouch Jr who is talking, but since he doesn't speak in the first person, he could very well be talking about the real Moody, who is still nothing compared to his father, the man who put his own son into Azkaban because he was a Dark wizard - all the while creating mystery for first time readers.
This is the defining scene that ends the second third of the book. It is PERFECT. To top it all off, there is even *more* foreshadowing as Moody asks him if he managed to work out the clue (he actually told Cedric, hoping that he helps Harry), and then Moody asks him if he wants to pursue a career as an Auror, something that is brought up many times after this point.
Notice how I mentioned that we think Harry's screwed like four times during the scene? That's *tension*. Something the movie completely forgets about, instead spending 20 minutes on the Yule Ball and not even doing it right. What, I wonder, was the point of cutting out this marvellous succession of events? Oh well, at least the graveyard was good.
For me, this was one of the best scenes in the entire series.
This is one of the best scenes in the series for me. It was chock full of tension.
Instead we get "Hehe. Ghost girl spying on na*ed boy. Funny." 🤢🤮🤮
damn, I've always remembered exactly this scene vaguely from the first time I've read The GoF (i was 9). I've always knew the film missing something important!
I feel like this maybe is a bad adaptation rather than a bad movie. When I saw this before reading the books, I really enjoyed it.
Spot on. Mike Newell is an interesting director compared to someone like David Yates who made his films so monotonous and basic
The movie has serious plot holes and problematic pacing.
It was not a bad movie per se, but did very bad character building as part of a whole series. The protagonists feel very ackward, and my view of them became quite altered after watching it.
@@ArthurDeaville It worked for Order of the Phoenix certainly. David Yates has a style too, the grounded political thriller
That's funny. Because I remember walking out of the cinema back then (I've read the book before though) and thinking: "wow, what a bad movie. If I didn't have read the book before, I wouldn't have understood shit." 😅
Huge fan of the books. This movie admittedly leaves out many important elements from the book. However, arguably the most important sequence from that story, Voldemort’s rebirth, is absolutely nailed in this film. And I stand by that. The mood of this entire franchise shifts when Wormtail kills Cedric, then proceeds to slice open Harry’s wrist and sever his own hand. It’s very disturbing. Voldemort looks horrifying, the way Finnes moves and hisses his lines is exactly the way I pictured him while reading the book. Radcliffe really shines here, selling Harry’s fear but determination to not be a coward and to face Voldemort anyway. It’s great and marks the point in this franchise where it’s not fun and games anymore. People are gonna die and it’s about to get very dark
voldys rebirth, the second task were very true to book
For me it was really the little character moments that were missing from the movie that makes it the least favorite entry. They either mishandled characters or else cut important moments that were in the books. I'm the biggest defender of Harry as a character, and think he's both a well-written protagonist and also a likable and inspiring lead. But the movie didn't really demonstrate that. For example, the maze was incredibly disappointing and did very little to show Harry's bravery, resourcefulness, or quick-wit. He doesn't have to solve the Sphinx riddle or get past any dangerous obstacles. The most egregious change was having Cedric save Harry in the maze and Harry almost doesn't return the favor. In the book it's actually Harry who saves Cedric's life twice in the maze and injures his leg in the process, which is a huge hindrance to him when fighting Voldemort in the graveyard.
I do agree that Radcliffe did a good job in the graveyard scene, though. But I think it was still better in the book, because Harry had to fight Death Eaters, hide behind gravestones and dodge curses and whatnot in order to get to the cup and escape. I don't think they make it very clear in the movie that the cup and Cedric's body were very far apart. And Harry risked his life to get Cedric back to his parents even though it would have been easier and safer to just take the cup and escape. My boy literally ran away from the cup and the means to escape to get Cedric's body.
@@janhavi1977 It did demonstrate that actually. Not really, and it did show all of that. He does have to get past dangerous obstacles though. True but Harry still saves him, same with saving others in the other trials too like Fleur in the lake for example.
@@janhavi1977 I do wish the movie made Cedric a more compelling character and gave him and Harry more of a relationship to give his death more impact, I don't think all that spectacle was necessary for the graveyard scene though. It was better to just have it be about Voldemort and Harry. the emotional weight of their confrontation was stronger than the action elements. The other death eaters were there, but they didn't interfere. they simply spectated.
I agree, but one fantastic scene sadly doesn't make a good film.
The most disappointing thing about the music in this and future movies is that Voldemort himself doesn't have a memorable score to accompany him. It's always just creepy and eerie music. Big villains like him in big franchises usually have a memorable theme, something that almost becomes part of the character itself. I especially love when movies make the theme start just before the villain comes into the scene, such as how sometimes the Imperial March plays in Star Wars. It's like they're annouincing their presence, like trumpets before a king, something that demands everyone's attention. I don't think Voldemort needed a bombastic theme, but even a creepy jingle would have been enough.
there's a term for that, it's called a leitmotif
Agreed. I think it’s because the movies switched between so many different composers who all wanted to make their own theme, so he never ended up having a definitive one.
They should've kept the theme for the chamber of secrets as Voldemort's theme
Think of Azula's bells and the creepy violin every time she appeared. That kind of stuff is definitely memorable.
You know, Star Wars Ep 3: Revenge of the Sith was released at the same year as Goblet of Fire, can you imagine the kind of score that John Williams would have provided, with epic and dramatic choruses like in Battle of the Heroes?
There are a couple of aspects of this film that I will defend:
1 - I do love Patrick Doyle's score. He didn't use John Williams's original themes as much as he could've, but the London Symphony Orchestra did a beautiful job performing the music and Doyle did have an interesting take of twisting up Williams' iconic "Hedwig's Theme".
2 - Roger Pratt's cinematography, for the most part, was beautiful and he gave the film a lot of interesting visuals.
3 - Stuart Craig was as consistent as could be with the overlook of the film series, his sets and the assistance of set decorator Stephenie McMillan being a top highlight of all eight Potter films.
4 - The visual effects were top tier for 2005 and do hold up when compared to VFX seen in most films nowadays.
5 - The castings of Ralph Fiennes and Brendan Gleeson were phenomenal additions to the cast.
Frank Bryce is done soooo dirty in the film!!! In the book, he has some great lines, such as the first scene where he faces Voldemort, where he tells him he doesn’t think much of his manners and to face him like a man. And also, in the graveyard scene, when he comes out of Voldemort’s wand, he says, ‘He was a real wizard, then? Killed me, that one did, you fight him boy.’
In the film, his only line is ‘Bloody kids!’
The blame must ultimately lie with the director Newell, the fact he didn't read the books says it all really.
It's honestly crazy how someone can spend years of their life directing a multimillion dollar movie but cant take just 1 or 2 days to read the book of the movie your making is based on. If anything, it should have been required by his contract.
I honestly can't fathom the idea of directing a movie for such a beloved series as HP without reading the source material first. It's like at school at my exams when I wrote made up stuff about the required reading story I haven't actually red from the few impressions I got about it from other students. But someone actually did it irl and got payed for it.
You people don't seem to realize that Mike Newell did not write the screenplay, he directed it. He didn't full decide what elements from the book went in and what didn't. Assuming a director did not write the screenplay, he is given a script with which he is meant to bring a story to life. You also have to realize that movies cannot show everything that books portray. They have to stay somewhat on topic, and don't have time to introduce a million minor subplots like house elves, beetles, and quidditch world cups. The movie is already 2 and a half hours, and if they kept everything the book did, the runtime would've been very bloated, and this is coming from someone who loves 3+ hour movies. I'm not saying they couldn't have kept a little more in, but the world cup for instance would've been pointless to show and would really have disrupted the flow as it adds nothing to the plot. The fact that film critics liked it is saying something, and that at least means it's a well done movie whether book fans like it or not. Maybe you're a book fan more than a movie fan, and that's okay, but you have to know they are two very different art forms. I'm a huge fan of both, but can respect what the movie was able to do. Seeing how a movie compares to its book is not the only way to judge the quality of a movie.
@@ryangreene2159 He worked at the movie based on the book, he should have red the book. Nuff' said
@@ryangreene2159 The director has full creative authority. If the director read the screenplay and didnt like some aspects of it, they have the authority to cut or ask the screenwriter to add more scenes into the screenplay. Screenplay writers have creative control to an extent, but ultimately everything is the director's choice and the director gives the green light on just about everything.
Goblet has issues sure, but let's not let Half-Blood Prince off the hook either.
LMAO Fr, it's a shame cause I think they're the best books aswell
Excuse me? HBP is the best movie of the entire series
@@Megadog33 Best in what, exactly? It literally erase important things like more of voldemort's past and doesn't even clarify the title (Snape only says "I'm the half blood prince" but we don't know why) in favor of some totally invented teeneger crushes... The best book turned out to be the worst movie
Half blood Prince is very good.
@@BlindGardener because of...? it's terrible and people just like it for nostalgia.
Fun fact I learned earlier this week! Their hair is so long because the new director didn't know that the previous director had told the actors NOT to cut their hair for styling purposes. The new director went on set, saw their hair, and was just like "ya, that's good, this is it"
Were there no stylists on set tho? How is it that nobody said anything?
its because the director wanted them to start look like rebelious teens. this includes no haircuts, untidy uniforms and such
he said "style yourself as if you no one is looking" aka fuck da teachers lol
I liked the long hairs personally
the long hair is more accurate to the books. jk constantly refers to how long and unruly harry's hair is in the books and it always bothered me how much they just completely ignore that characterization in most of the movies (other than 3 and 4)
I can’t believe Ron saw those people throwing themselves out of that building and still decided to send a second plane
Worst movie is a crazy statement when Half-Blood Prince exists
I’m finding that tons of people think HBP is the best film and it makes me wanna lose my mind haha.
I don't think "I love magic" was that bad of a line. Harry grew up in the muggle world, and even having been a few years to Hogwarts, it's not farfetched that he would see a tent and think "meh, it's gonna be cramped in there" and then enter it and be like "Oh yeah, magic is a thing!"
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Yeah, that was a weird criticism imo. Hes existed in the Wizarding World for 2 years... and not only comes from a non-magic family, but a family that doesn't even let him speak of it in the Summer.
He's spent 18 months in Hogwarts, he would definitely still be amazed by seeing something like that. Especially cause he didn't encounter anything like that in school.
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I think the problem comes from his delivery, he looks like he's high when he says it.
@@Darkko88well I think part of that is he sees everyone getting into a tent and, I don’t believe in the films so far, he’s been made aware of a spell that makes spaces larger or smaller; thus his surprise.
I think you’re kind of missing the point of why the Yule ball and krumionie doesn’t hit right in this film. Because they short change the other champions at every point in the film, the whole point of those scenes is lost. You never get to see or hear how talented the other champions are. The big point in the book is that Harry always feels like he’s out of their league and feels like he has to prove himself to others as well as himself.
Also The trio doesn’t suspect Krum and karkaroff of putting Harry’s name in the goblet in the film as much as they do in the book. Instead of taking the mystery of who wants to kill Harry seriously, the film is more like a skim read of the main scenes of the book.
I agreed
i agree as well. It seeems like there was a lot of things that were discussed in the book that were just skimmed or just thrown in at last minute to make this movie. it just feel like its all over the place.
The skim read thing is also true in Half-Blood Prince as well, and to a lesser degree Phoenix.
"I love magic" is not a bad line. And is fair when walking into a tent that's bigger on the inside
There definitely is worse that coudlve been said. But theres just so much wrong in Harry saying that, and many other parts of this film. Not only does it not fit the character, but it also makes him seem kinda, dumb witted/ slow. It kinda gives this notion that hes still extremely new to magic and is just blown away by the smallest things. Like a kid in a candy shop.
And as said not only does it not fit the character for harry, but its not even funny at all, not even a little bit. Like all the humor in this film -terrible! It only comes across as unfunny, low effort “humor” attempting to be funny, and is only extremely cringe.
@@xenon1800 I don't think it's meant to be a funny line at all. Harry exists as a vessel for the audience, so his first experiences with any kind of new magic is new to us aswell. Harry is being genuine when he says it. Critizing the delivery of the line and the directing is one thing, but you're completely missing the point of some of Harry's scenes.
@@Internetninjaz Thats fair to say. It maybe just the delivery idk. Anyways you may be correct.
My only thoughts till your comment is that it just sounded so very corny that it could only be an attempt at humor (which failed).
Maybe for a muggle or even when Harry first got to Hogwarts. but after 4 years of the wizarding universe and everything he's seen a big tent is the first place he says "I love magic" ????
@@PiginaCage Well, it a new aplication of magic maybe he didn't knew existed, or never saw before in real life. I don't think that line is bad in any way.
I disagree with your point about the quiddach world cup. The outcome of the match itself would have had no relavence to the plot or characters, and the whole cup was to show the wizarding world being happy, so that the destruction of the deatheaters was all the more tragic. Also it showed Harry having a strengthened sense of family with the Weasleys and his friends.
I can accept the Quidditch World Cup not being necessary to the narrative. Cutting it entirely would have been understandable. Particularly since Quidditch is such a broken sport anyway, not to mention Krum's intentional team loss for his own personal victory. In any other sport, an athlete who did that would be benched, maybe even cut from the team, not to mention have his own supporters turn on him.
The problem in the movie is the anticipation that builds up as the match approaches, followed by...nothing. Not even a reference to the final score or even the winner. It was just completely deflating.
Goblet of Fire take: Agreeable
Half Blood Prince take: Commendable
Fantastic Beasts take: Understandable
Twilight Princess take: UNACCEPTABLE
Moody’s lesson about the Unforgivable Curses remains my favorite scene of the entire series.
Hermione's is better, 'because they're unforgivable '.
It was so powerful!
It was really barty crouch jr.’s lesson loll
Overall it was good, but Brendan Gleeson went a little too "weird" and not enough serious with the performance
Hard to fault Crouch Jr for being a death eater when he taught Harry imperio. He's the real hero of the series
Cedric's father crying was probably the best acting in the whole movie.
The first time I saw that scene, I felt like I had to throw up because I could FEEL the grief
Yeah, its one of the better changes from the book this movie did
"HE'S MY BOYYY" Hits me in the heart :(
Yeah that line is the singular most bone-chilling line I've ever heard. Amos' grief cry is seared into my soul. I'll never forget it.
My opinion is that goblet of fire is the best movie. Nice action, nice teen vibes, Hermione better looking than ever, nice challenges, nice last fight, nice cry from Cedric's father. But What a "WOW" moment seeing Hermione at the yule ball.
Imagine if we had gotten an Alfonso Cuarón directed Goblet of Fire, as originally planned.
If that was the case then HP would be my #1 series
i hated prisoner of azkaban. the cutting of the explanation of the marauders was criminal to me, along with giving hermione ron's big hero moment in the shrieking shack. i couldn't stand it when it came out, and i can hardly stand it now.
blue filter and bad humour? no thank you.
@@pasaniusventris4113 I see this as a problem of the screenplay rather than the directing. The screenwriter loves Hermione to the point that he strips her off of any of her flaws and makes her *perfect* while Ron is being used more and more for comic relief, which doesn't do any justice to his character, which is very brave too! As a movie: the cinematics, overall flow, usage of music and leading actors of this age to be better actors - I feel that Cuarón really nailed it.
Every time I read this complaint from fans I think they should actually try to re-enact this moment from the book exactly as written so they will see that it's impossible for Ron with an injured foot to stand in front of Harry long enough to both hold him back and say "You'll have to go through me!". JK Rowling is shit at writing action.
The director also complained a LOT about how long the book was. It was doomed from the start
So wait did the people during the maze trial just sit and watch the maze entrance for at least a hour or two?
I always love this film if only for the - “dumbledore asked calmly” meme
I know. In the book Dumbledore was always leading Harry towards conclusions and important information. That question was to ensure that Harry would focus on that important factor that he didn't as Dumbledore already knew that to be the case. The movie? Assault Harry as if Dumbledore assumes he is a naughty attention seeker or something.
"HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE??!!" Dumbledore inquired serenely.
RIP Michael Gambon
Didyouputyournameinthegobletoffire?
They did nail the dark shift in tone upon Voldemort’s return to full power. The sudden murder of a teenager just for being in the way, and Voldemort gleefully torturing a 14 year old had audiences dead silent in the cinema I worked at.
That’s cause Ralph Fiennes was amazing. It was also around the year that he joined the mile high club though.
@@ChelseaChfy-ex1powhat does this mean
@@jonnitsunami6504he’s on the Epstein flight list
@@jonnitsunami6504 when you do it on an airplane
Yes!!! You know ironically Goblet of Fire is one of my favorites
I am glad you mentioned it, this movie is a mess but "My boy" is truly gut wrenching, especially after the peril of the other trials is toned down
just found out from your video that Cuaron had a chance to shoot the Goblet (and potentially all the other movies I guess). I'm crying inside, what a masterpieces we've lost.
4:20 Okay everything else up until this point made sense, but how tf you expect some1 to react. Like Harry ain spend his whole life growing up around magic; I would have literally said the EXACT same thing.
Dumbledore asked "CALMLY"
That one gets me perhaps the most because it was such a distillation of Dumbledore's character, and his position as an older and wiser mentor for Harry (so also important that Harry's mentor trust him), and instead they added him to the teenage dramatics
I’d honestly prefer it if they cut out the Yule Ball and instead kept in the Quiddich World Cup. And if not that THEY COULDVE AT LEAST KEPT IN THE HOUSE ELVES OR BARTY CROUCH JRS BACKSTORY.
They pretty much did cut out the ball given the buildup and then when they dance it’s over
And stoped the weird tongue thing. IT MAKES IT SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE TWIST AFTER THE PENSIVE SCENE!!!
I just wanna see the quidditch supporters groups brawling for half an hour
Yeah the Yule Ball was pretty cringey.. would've been so much better to follow the Quidditch Cup a bit more. They really did bungle the Barry Crouch storyline, too
The house elves subplot is problematic as hell. I'm happy they cut it out
Weird how everyone is seemingly seeing this video now. I completely agree with what you said. Feels like a weird movie. Especially after how crazy good Prisoner of Azkaban was.
I think what did it with this film was the tone. Cauron made a darker, edgier film with some comedic moments. Newell said he didn't know what to do after seeing 'Azkaban', since Cauron did his job too well. Newell's response: make the movie funnier. While the book has some funny moments, the ominous tone stays consistent, which in my opinion, is where Newell dropped the ball.
I watched this video after watching The Goblet of Fire, before going to see HP and the Cursed Child at the theater. Maybe a couple of others like me?
In fairness, the Prisoner of Azkaban movie was not viewed favorably at the time. It made the least money of the 8 movies. Most people thought it was too different and not what they wanted out of a Harry Potter movie. It's only years later that it's become a fan favorite.
Prisoner of Azkaban sucked. I always tell people to skip that movie and read the book. Ditto for HBP.
Things i hate:
Victor looks 51 instead of 18
Dragon destroyed everything and then just dies
Removing "Harry's Dream"
Removing everything at the Dursleys (Weasley's arrival)
Removing Winky and Bagman (Crouch blames Harry and Ron which is stupid TBH)
Cutting out the entire Quidditch Cup
They replace Dobby with Neville
Removing the singing song
Dumbledore didn’t ask calmly
I'm so glad you made this video. When Harry was hoisted up with the egg absolutely basking in his victory I thought he was completely unrecognizable. Harry is way too humble a wizard.
"Do you want me to open it!?" Harry asked humbly.
I personally loved this film as a kid! I would watch goblet of fire and the 2 last movies whenever I felt down. And when I re-watched all the harry potter movies now that I'm a bit older, I thought it was some really good fun. Granted the book was far FAR superior, the movie was just some good entertainment! Or maybe I'm just biased and love the nostalgia I get from it.
Great video though! Completely understand why you sent it to dantes inferno 😆😆
They’re all great watches if you don’t obsess over the changes from the book and inaccuracies. Of course that will ruin your experience and of course it would have been better almost in every case if they kept everything accurate to the book, but this is what we got and it’s still a very cozy nostalgic watch.
@@anondalorian3719 Totally agree!
Well it is like that with every hp movie. Books are superior to movies, too bad popculture make movies more relevant.
If those are the ones you love definitely check out A Very Potter musical ;)
same here! this is one of my favs for sure... i never understood peoples obsession with how accurate movies are to books.... imagine if hte movies had all the books content! we'd have 20 hour long movies lol. to be fair I'd watch them
Yeah let’s not forget that Hermione is also 14 having a “mostly physical” relationship with an 18 year old. You never hear that mentioned enough. Creepy.
yeah, that is pretty weird. and he tells her to write to him...like...no.
@@katgreer6113 what were you thinking when he said "write to me" ? that they would start sexting ?
I never interpreted that line as them actually having sex.. Sure, it sounds like it, and Harry's reaction makes it clear he thinks so too, but Hermione clears it up by saying they don't talk much. So I figured she used the word "physical" to underline the contrast to "verbal".
@@felemiah i think it's simply the fact that a 14 year old girl is dating an 18 adult. Disturbing.
15 years old. Not that it makes it much better, but her birthday is 19 September and it’s a hard cutoff of 1 September to be 11 to get into Hogwarts as a first year.
Still illegal if their relationship is “physical,” like the movie says, as the age of consent in the UK is 16 and appears to have been in ‘94/‘95. And even if there was no sexual contact, it’s still very weird for Rowling to have written grooming into her story, especially when she generally avoids other serious real life stuff like drug use, teen pregnancy, rape, etc.
Edit: Wait, I forgot she does include rape with what Merope does to Tom with the love potion. Yeah, that’s not really handled well either…
I was with you until 20:26. Half blood prince is also equally as bad if not the WORST out of all of the movies. It changes everything to a more comedic tone as well, and omits a lot of the source material including crucial memories of Voldemort's past to identify the horcruxes
But we got teenage dating drama, so… fair trade.😂
6th is bad but still not such a clusterfuck as Goblet
@@avejantzero9090 idk, I think 4th is way cohesive, and the 5th and 6th are just all over the place. Of all the Yates movies I really enjoyed only Deathly Hallows Part 1
Nope , maybe a bit slow but it was good unlike goblet of fire
2:36 It's not true that Newel didn't read the book. In the making-of "Creating the World of Harry Potter: Evolution" Newel says "David Heyman came to me with number four and said, would I read the book? I read it and the book is vast."
One of my biggest problems with the Harry Potter movies (which is especially apparent in this film) is the way that line delivery is so poorly executed. I feel that the scenes feel so rushed because everyone appears to be delivering their lines in double time. One egregious example of this is Cedric Digory's death. "Kill the spare!" "Avada Kedavra" - it's like 3 seconds. Compare that scene to the way Stephen Fry reads these lines in the audiobook.
The other big problem I have with these films is the way they dumb down some of the more interesting and intricate plot points and then never explain anything. Still mad that they never explained Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Pronges in Prisoner of Azkaban, and then in Order of the Pheonix Harry tells Snape "He's got Padfoot." The audience will be as clueless as Snape pretends to be if they haven't read the book. The Goblet of Fire does this as well with Barty Crouch.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
I think the Yule Ball scene was necessary, mainly because the series needed to establish that the kids are growing up--it was the first time I grew to think of them as peers--but as little as an extra fifteen minutes could have provided many world-building plot details.
The thing about the hair is that they were told to grow it out before filming so they could get ut cut the right way at the start of filming the next movie, but the director liked everyones long hair and didn’t change it
Damn you didn't have to do Twilight Princess dirty like that.
TP uses gloomy palettes tastefully, if you go run around hyrule field or lake hylia after removing the twilight they're full of color. TP has a huge range of environments with different color moods.
fr that was my favorite when i was a kid
That game is amazing
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Yeah, I'm with you on that. Was just finished watching the video when I thought: "Hey here's a channel that has good taste in books and films, unfortunately that good taste and insight doesn't seem to extend to games based on treating another one of the best Zelda games in such a dismissive way." However, it could be a simple matter of preferences and I'm still hoping to find other videos on this channel that demonstrate a great level of measured and in-depth game critiques as well as more book and film analyses. If not, then at least there should be hopefully more book and film related stuff, at the very least. We'll just have to see... (Now to go down into Dante's Inferno and retrieve my copy of Twilight Princess so I can do another wonderful playthrough -it's strange, I don't remember leaving it in an entirely different game's case or, for that matter in a literal realm of eternal torment for the damned, let alone anywhere near The Divine Comedy or any such priceless antique reading materials... Funny, that. Oh well, that's life and classical Italian narrative poetry for you: full of wonder and ruin in varying degrees.) ^v^
I think TP has a beautiful dark fantasy aesthetic; I particularly love running around darker areas with the lantern and seeing the lighting effects. Some really beautiful sunset vistas, which I suppose is fitting for a game about "Twilight".
THE DIRECTOR DIDNT READ THE BOOK?????
You can blame Mike Newell for the long hair. In a promo video for the reunion special, Radcliffe was asked about the hair. He said the boys were told to let their hair grow over the break from filming and the expectation was it would be cut/styled when they got back on set. But Newell decided he liked the long hair and made them keep it.
Honestly I kinda liked the long hair lol
I like the hair. Expecially compared to the terrible short cuts in the next
The entire franchise suffered by letting David Yates direct everything after Goblet of Fire. His world didn't feel magical despite all the magic.
It also suffered from neglecting all the musical motifs developed in the earlier movies and opting for a blander 'hollywood epic' soundtrack.
I think the franchise suffered a lot from having a carousel of directors. Too many people with different visions, imo the whole series does not feel cohesive whatsoever
I prefer the first 2 movies. They’re so fantastical compared to the dark edgyness of the later movies. Voldemort coming back should be very dark but it’s not like the interior wizarding world has to go from looking like Scotland to Eastern Europe
He’s great fym
David Yates basically "Mugglefied" the entire franchise
The reason why books 1-3 made such great movies and books 4-7 such bad ones, is because they were much longer books. Books 4-7 double the amount of pages of books 1-3 but the movies cannot double the screentime. So you have to adapt a book that is twice as long with the same amount of screentime. Honestly, books 4, 5 and 6 should have been adapted into 2 part films, like book 7 was.
I agree. I think Harry Potter would be better as a TV series, especially for the later books on account of their volume.
At the very least, they should have bumped up the screen time (2005 was a bit before the whole splitting movies into two parts trend). Order of the Phoenix is the longest book yet the shortest movie aside from The Deathly Hallows Part II. The Chamber of Secrets sits at 2 hours and 42 minutes - a full half hour longer than Order of the Phoenix, and 4 minutes longer than this. Surely they could stretch to a full 3 hours for the generation that grew up on VHS/DVD copies of The Lord of the Rings movies? Plus, we literally grew up with Harry Potter. Part of growing up is learning to sit still for longer periods.
Mostly true, it did have a lot with the directors to do as well, but if I'm being honest, when they decided to make the movies 2.5+ hours long anyway, they could've cut out some of the romance and drama and made them 3 max 3.5 hours long, there's, in my opinion, no reason to make such complicated movies as short as possible
There was no way that would have been feasible tbf. Emma was already thinking about leaving, that probably would have tipped her over the edge.
It won’t be done ‘right’ until there’s a tv series and it’s a season per book. First two books only need to be 4/5 episodes, gradually working up-to 8/10 for the later books.
I think the books are longer, but not necessarily very complex so a fair bit could have been cut and still result in excellent films. The problem was that Newell was vibrant but not attentive to the source materials, and Yates was attentive, but sucked the life out of the series and made everything feel awkward. I prefer Newell personally.
Let's not forget how in the forth movie Hermione was mocking Ron for not being able to afford more luxurious robes!
Goblet Fire being my favourite book, I cannot tell you the dissapointment I felt leaving the cinema. The first time in my life I'd felt that feeling.
And the interviews that followed from Mike after just made the bitterness grow.
"Where's your trigger, Bane!?!" ~ Batman asked calmly.
Unpopular opinion:GOF is my favorite HP movie 🤷🏻♀️ yes it has its flaws but the things they changed really didn’t bother me. And the I “ love magic” line- I think it is very in character for Harry. We’re in his head in the books and we constantly see how amazed he is at the magical world.
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Me too. Glad I'm not the only one. Lol everything he mentioned in this video are things I actually love about the film... that includes the teenage drama 😂...
I always enjoy GOF. 👍
Same I watch the series every november and always can't wait to watch the goblet of fire 😭
Unpopular opinion, I mainly love only the first four movies, the ones that followed - meeeeh for me, unfortunately. GOF was the first HP movie (and maybe even the first movie overall) that I'd seen in a cinema. I really enjoyed the dark theme of GOF, it portrayed the return of Lord Voldermort well. The following movies were supposed to be darker but they never were. GOF is the darkest movie out of the HP series and I like it. And like the majority of HP fans (onpopular opinion ends here) - the third book, movie (and even the game probably) is my absolute favourite. But the first two movies were so magical that I like them too of course. Like I said, I like the first four movies and don't really enjoy the ones that followed (the ones that were directed by David Yates).
Now that I’m rereading the books I’m bothered by the cuts and inaccuracies. Wish they had gotten a better director who actually cared and bothered to read the books, but I never hated this one. There’s a lot of good scenes and things to love. I still say there’s no bad Harry Potter movies, even though I absolutely hate how they changed Voldemort’s death scene. The cast is still great, that’s probably the best thing all the Harry Potter films have going for them, great setting and lore. Good effects, good action. But yeah book readers will always be bothered by the changes and want a 100% faithfully accurate ten hour movie. Fact is these were so good and so successful they won’t remake them for decades and I don’t want them to. This cast was lightning in a bottle.
Half blood prince is just brainrot. Instead of focusing on voldemorts backstory it focuses on romance. Its cringey, slow paced and worse if all fucking boring. At least, Goblet of fire is actually entertaining
Some fun thing about David Tennant being Barty Crouch Jr: The chapter that we find out he got the dementors kiss in was called The Parting of The Ways, and the 1st episode of Doctor who David Tennant appeared in was called The Parting of The Ways
I personally feel like Half-Blood Prince is much worse than Goblet of Fire. It's more rushed, scenes are added that weren't in the books which don't feel like they need to be there, and worst of all, they speedrunned Harry & Ginny's relationship and practically made Ginny have no personality. At least Goblet of Fire kept the essential moments, and didn't make the characters feel ooc.
My take on that is that HBP spent more time delivering the depths and meanings of the story instead of trying to be what this film was. Both have their strengths and weaknesses for sure!
Plus in the book they spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out who the half blood prince was so the reveal was meaningful. In the film they didn't seem to care so the reveal was pretty meaningless.
I agree, but I actually like that scene where Slughorne talks about his fish. Very emotional stuff
I don't think any of the movies are bad by a long shot. They all have different points to make. This one I felt had some off moments but overall I thought it was kinda genius, the entire bombastic sequence of outrageous over the top events I think serves as the perfect red herring for the trauma harry experiences at the end. The whole movie he's thinking "oh no this isn't good, nothing is right, nothing is ever right, but everyone's so excited and happy, maybe I should be too, maybe I should be proud, maybe I did earn that prize" BOOM voldemort was luring you in this whole time, have fun reliving your torture, your friend dying, and living with the guilt while the walking apocalypse builds his strength again thanks to you. I think it's a wild ride but it's genius character development, Harry is a kid and this movie made him a man.
Just gonna say, if someone brought a burning candle near my face while I was asleep, and in fact, while I was having nightmares, my first instinct would be to slap it out of their hand.
... And then I'd probably rush to put out the fire it caused.
... And then whoever did that would get a piece of my mind.
Seriously, please don't bring burning candles to people's faces, Hermione!
False!
Your first instinct would be to WAKE UP!
How you gonna put out a fire if you are still asleep?
1 part that always makes me go eh.. is the dance they have, like it literally brings nothing to the movie except teen angst and drama and in a movie where so many other plot points should have been fleshed out more, or scenes we could have got but didn't because of, this could have been removed and not have had an impact on the movie.
As a non book reader, this movie made zero sense lol. I liked the first few.
The most messed up thing is how they strayed form the book. We are literally here to see those stories play out not the writers fantasies!
The movie makes complete sense if you consider the audience, age restrictions and darker themes in the later movies. The audience of 7+ in 2001 were now 12+ in 2005 and entering puberty. A lot of the themes are related to this.
I agree. However, the director didn't have to be a complete creep about it. You can't tell me some of the scenes or shots feel appropriate for an underage actor to film.
When I first watched Goblet of Fire, I was extremely confused by it, especially in the first part of the film before we get to Hogwarts. It's only when I actually read the book that I understood the film properly and there's still loads of stuff missed out of the film that make it hard to understand. The next worst one has got to be the Half Blood Prince because it leaves out too much information about Voldermort that is important to knowing his past and understanding how to defeat him.
I absolutely DESPISED the Prisoner of Azkaban movie. My favorite part of the book is that whole Whomping Willow scene with the kids meeting Sirius, Lupin and Snape coming in, and the whole Marauders backstory. They rushed through it all; it was terribly done. I'm still annoyed about that talking head useless chase scene, and the dumb tangents they wasted time on instead. I just missed Columbus and the real Dumbledore.
After that, I felt like the Goblet of Fire movie was alright. My expectations were suuuuper low by that point. But I absolutely agree with everything you said here. I just think movie #3 was even worse.
This movie is about growing up. In the previous movie they were still kids. And this one is were they are teenagers, and I think the movie showed it well. And there's still a lot of magic in it - compared to next movies.
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Goblet is one of my favorite movies solely for the ending when Cedric’s father is giving the most heartbreaking cry over his dead son.
Half blood prince is easily the worst movie in the series. Turning a book that focuses on horcruxes and Voldemort’s past into a teenage rom com was a terrible idea. Especially since Harry & Ginny have no chemistry
Harry and Ginny have no chemistry in the movie because literally ZERO of their scenes together in the book make it into the movie (also, none of their scenes in Deathly Hallows are in those two movies either). Ginny was entirely rewritten in the films. All of her most iconic and memorable scenes in the books were taken out. The only movie in the whole series where she is in character is Chamber of Secrets, which is sad because she develops so much in the later books to become such a fantastic character.
If you watch Order of the Phoenix closely, you can tell they at least tried to put a little bit of Ginny’s personality into that film, but it is so subtle that viewers who haven’t read the books won’t catch it. The problem is that book is the longest in the series, and they had to cut a lot out. However, this makes Half Blood Prince even worse because it makes Harry and Ginny’s relationship come out of nowhere. Whereas in the Order of the Phoenix book, Harry and Ginny share a lot of really important moments that set the foundation for their relationship, and since Ginny makes the Quidditch team in Order of the Phoenix, the reader also discovers her true personality for the first time, and not just her awkward appearances around Harry. Ginny really comes into her own in Order of the Phoenix and puts Harry in his place when he needs it most (the scene where they talk about what it’s like being possessed by Voldemort).
So honestly, I think the Order of the Phoenix movie is also partially to blame for their horrible on screen relationship in Half Blood Prince. However, Half Blood Prince didn’t even try. AT ALL. Like, their first kiss was completely rewritten, we didn’t get the tattoo scene, all of the good Quidditch scenes were cut, such as Harry getting hit in the head with a bludger because he was staring at Ginny and Ginny flying into the stands because Zacharis Smith was being a jerk (he wasn’t even in any of the movies), and Harry’s breakup with Ginny doesn’t even happen in the movies which is completely stupid because the reason he breaks up with her speaks volumes about is character and really helps both him and Ginny grow into stronger characters by the end of Deathly Hallows. Like, Harry and Ginny’s breakup is the antithesis of Anakin and Padmé in Star Wars, and it shows how valiant of a hero Harry is. And the best part? Ginny isn’t even mad about it. She expected Harry to do it because she understands who he is. She even says that him being a “noble idiot” is why she likes him so much.
Basically, the films absolutely massacred Ginny. Her only “in character” moments were in Chamber of Secrets. It’s so infuriating.
Did they cut a scene of the world cup game? Maybe make it shorter and they might have felt it was too long and didn't match well with the next scene or something similar? I can see why Harry would say he loved magic, after all he lived in a muggle house all his life up until he got his letter from Hogwarts accepting him there so he is still surprised at all that. I grew up in the country and forest lots of trees and creeks singing birds etc, but I never get tired of seeing and hearing the leaves being blown by the wind and hearing that creeky trees when the wood inside the trunk or limbs rub up against another wood structure causing that sound kinda like that sound you get when your slowly snapping a dry dead twig in half and it still has some give to it and not completely dried out and went dusty and rotted. I still get amazed looking at the beautiful fall leaves of different colors. I very special place for me that I love to go, it has a underground natural spring. It comes so clear so clean and the conservationists built a brick wall and screen over where the water comes out to keep larger animals in or any as a matter of fact, but people, myself included, go there to fill up water jugs that they and myself keep after finishing a gallon of milk or water they are useful for that and the water is free. Oh man is it wonderful! It's the best tasting water I have ever had. The minerals in the water that the rocks sand clay etc filtering it naturally but the minerals stay in it a natural reverse osmosis kind of way. When I lived near that area we never bought water to drink. No one in the area and I was so surprised that the park officials didn't charge people not for themselves but for the upkeep of the park. I guess the camping fee is enough they did go up on the price because of upgraded remolded bathrooms.
But every time I would go I would fall in love with that place again and again, so beautiful and amazing. So it's not really out of the Harry character or anyone's character to be amazed by something they are familiar with. Anyways please love nature more find the time to go camping it really does relax you, you will just take off so much stress. There's something magical about the forests when camping that could get you saying
" I love camping" or "I love the outdoor life!"
5:29 one of the twins literally makes it clear Ireland won
The fact that S.P.E.W. didn't even get a mention in this movie is a travesty. You can really tell only one person on the crew actually read the book.
To be fair, that plot point went no where in the books either.
So if they had to cut something, this is what made the most sense
Hermione's failed stint at activism would have made her look less than perfect, so of course the movie would remove any mention of SPEW.
I’m glad tbh cause the way slavery was handled in the books was atrocious, and honestly, I don’t wanna see Ron, Fred and George, and basically everyone in gryffindor make fun of hermione for caring about ending slavery. Harry even supported it too and it wouldn’t be a good look to have your main characters supporting slavery and shutting down someone for wanting to abolish it
@@lilysflower9685 the spew story clearly shows that house elves aren't unethical if you treat them well. It's not like keeping humans as slaves, they're a magical creature whose life purpose is to serve, and we repeatedly see that they actively avoid freedom. It's mistreatment like the malfoys and Dobby's that is clearly heinous, but even Dobby then chooses to work, and while he accepts payment, the others all clearly refuse to take it. I suppose you could argue they have just been taught not to accept payment, but you would think if they actually desired it at least one of the hogwarts elves would have joined Dobby in requesting payment
Because some of us actually take the time and think "hey, some of these arguments sound like the shit you here from pro-slavery bastards in pre-Civil War US". No wonder you guys drive me spare, you're just pro-slavery as long as it's the good guys being slaveowners.
As bad as it was, it was my favorite growing up😂 but you CAN’T DENY the lake scene! I was so in awe with how that was shot I watched a behind the scenes video. It was all done underwater and then they re-recorded Harry’s lines after. Mad props to Daniel Radcliffe for training to do that whole scene underwater👌🏼
Can you please explain why Harry simply stating, "I love magic" at 4:19 is completely out of character for him because I don't understand? Sure it's cheesy sounding but I thought Harry considered the magical world his actual home compared to being constantly abused in the Muggle world by the Dursleys, plus, I think the line is meant to act as a sort of dramatic irony because Harry's whole view of the wizarding world and magic definitely changes forever after the tragic ending of this film/movie. Also, I don't agree with you at all at 24:23 that the cinematography of the Half-Blood Prince is quote on quote "stunning" simply due to the film's awful color grading. I'm not that big of a fan of the way David Yates directed his Harry Potter films and this video perfectly explains why => ruclips.net/video/urdV6VUfpnI/видео.html.
Half Blood Prince is imo most dark and depresing movie in series thats why color grading is like that it symbolize story and tone of the movie and just fits better you think colorful color pallete would fit better there? There is reason why for example horror movies have often moody and dark lighting, why movies where action is in cold places have cold color pallete, why in warm places there is warm color pallete etc.
@@Extreme96PL I would agree with you, but there are scenes in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince that just don't make any sense at all for the color grading to be so dark and dull. For example, the Quidditch scenes in the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince shouldn't be so heavily desaturated like they are in the final cut of that film/movie. I would argue that the dark parts of the story would feel even darker if they contrasted it with the more bright and colorful and joyful moments => ruclips.net/video/wX7vPiMPXPQ/видео.html.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 to be honest this edit you linked it looks more like just brightness and contrast boost and i kinda agree it would look better like this in these scenes(maybe except Quidditch scenes its a bit too bright in my opinion which cause sometimes background to lost visibility because of snow which is bright and white on its own) but maybe they thought it would be too drastic to movie change between this and more dark lighting and color pallete especially that great hall also appear later in movie after Snape killed Dumbledore .
@@Extreme96PL look im a filmmaker sad=sepia XD
Yeah, I like that line
Painfully accurate . The film is so bad that I tend to look at the book with some disdain . But I am reading it again now and this video helps me remember that it's the movie , not the book which I loathe . On an unrelated matter ... using the word '' angst '' to depict anger ( especially of teens ) is grossly misapplied . I have few pet peeves , but this is one of them . Angst has NOTHING to do with anger . It's more akin to fear or trepidation with anxiety . Solid , solid video in every way . Hit's all the points - which are all well made , quickly and concisely , with thoroughness . A very fair and informed critique . Well done sir .
TBH it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, Dumbledore asked calmly
Not sure how this can be called the worst, when Half Blood Prince exists.
This movie was like a fever dream.
I havent even read the book and my initial thoughts of this film were similar… Not only did it feel like it never built up to anything, but it also constantly left me feeling unfamiliar with the new characters. As someone who never read the book and knows nothing of the other champions, they nailed it if giving us these new characters with no backstory, personality, and familiarity was what they were going for. (Not to mention how you said the characters are completely different from the book. I cant imagine sitting through this having read the book)
Like you said a 700 page book has so much to reveal translate to a film so EVERY second of every scene matters. This film cuts so much out and the scenes that are included often dont move the story forward much.
Pair that along with the terrible humor, and unnecessary scenes that amount to nothing and build no plot or takeaway theme leave this film without a doubt the worst film of the series.
I mean it built up to Voldemort getting resurrected. Eh it left me familiar with them. I mean they had that stuff in the movies. They are not completely different or at least most are not.
Most of the important stuff is still there though and we still have scenes that have the characters bonding with each other which is nice to see.
The humor is not terrible, and not all of the scenes are unnecessary and they do amounnt to stuff at times and build up some plot like with the ball for example.
I’ve always being curious how would I take the movies (especially the last 5 of them) if I never read the books previously, but I don’t think I would care for it much
I kinda just learnt to like them as live action snaps of the books, not a proper/good adaptation of it. And overall I just never took it for granted seeing Hogwarts come to ‘life’ 😊
This was my favorite one it has dragons, underwater and the longest hair in the series
In an alternate universe, Cuarón directed GoF and the rest of the franchise and it was beautiful and passionate and wonderful and John Williams stayed on as composer for the franchise and everything was cohesive with attention detail and masterfully crafted from a filmmaking and visual storytelling aspect.
Yeah this film got done dirty. It's arguably one of the best books in the series. It was the book I enjoyed most as a kid for sure.
The reason the film didn't work was simply because the director chopped too much out. It was meant to be a mystery thriller, but they cut out most of the mysteries:
- Did Barty Crouch commit the crime he was imprisoned for? (The book is ambiguous about it but the movie is dead set that he did it).
- What happened to Bertha Jorkins? (The film entirely cut this out).
- Who put Harry's name in the cup? (The only one they kept in)
Also they missed out the Quidditch World Cup and SPEW.
Also also... Where tf was Dobby?
I ask where tf was dobby all the time. He played an enormous role in the books, and if they'd made him a main character that he was, his death would have hit the non-book fans just as hard as it did us readers.
I can't get "I LOVE MAGIC" in Ralph Wiggum's voice out of my head.
I still remember the collective sigh of disappointment in the theater when the Quidditch World Cup was skipped.
16:02 the point of this isn’t to show that harry is selfish and would let Cedric die, it’s to show that despite the maze’s temptations on Harry’s mind he stands to his TRUE character and helps Cedric. I can understand how seeing harry give thought to leaving Cedric could upset you, but this scene was supposed to show Harry’s resolve, not to make you hate him.
I have never seen any of your videos but I will now catch up on what I have missed, because I love the humour and the book-movie-comparisons, especially because I never re-read the books and don't remember a lot of the details. This was a fun lunch break for me, thank you!
It's a shame this movie sucked so much. Because it's my favorite book.
mine too it opened whole world to us they shoved us house elfs are everywhere in hogwards krum was pretty tragic character along with cedric and barty crouch jr was really well written all of that was way better than movie that buthed even yule ball and dont even trying to show dobby or winkie whole movie was 2-10 and book 9-10 because the tone of book was really discriptive they even tall us about meals that were on table when students from france and maybe bulgaria come there that is big mystery too where is crums school so it really is shame that the movie butched it up
tbf the book sucks too as its concept is so stupid.. but i enjoyed it too haha
@@Charizardlison the book is pretty underrated and much better than ootp which was way too long and dragged on because jkr had writers block during it and it shows 😭
@@honeyxbees it‘s a great read, but the whole idea of inflitrating hogwarts with a deatheater to make harry win the tournament to get him to touch a port key to get him to voldemorts rebirth is beyond all logic haha
@@Charizardlison tell me you didn't read the book/didn't pay attention to it without telling me you didn't
I read somewhere that the reason the whole cast had long hair is that they, which is typical, were all asked to grow their hair out pre-filming so they had enough for stylists to work with. However, for this film, the cast showed up with their natural long hair and there were no stylists, the director ignored all of it and just filmed.
Wow. All the little things that matter were ignored and it’s blatantly obvious in this film… The potential of this film and the what couldve been is so great, how sad.
I’m not ashamed of a lot, but I am of the director of this movie. Hearing him across multiple interviews complain about the length of his movie’s *source* just tells me he doesn’t like to work hard on his movies. Only what makes him comfortable. Shameful choice for director.
@@xenon1800 i actually liked the long hair it felt relevant to the style that was happening back then
@Garner I haven't seen the interviews but I'd say it's reasonable as a director to be daunted by the massive leap in length of the books from POA to GOF, you've gotta make the same length movie out of a much longer book and you're the first director to have to do that for this franchise.
@@tinyfreckle I understand your point. Perhaps I jumped on him a bit too readily. I feel like I’m more upset with the fact that it was a point of contention across a few interviews and it personally irked me
Interestingly it was the one I anticipated the most as a kid. However HP1 and 2 are my unapologetic favourites. 100%
The second one will always be my #1 fave, it introduces Draco’s father, and the actor who plays him, is a really choice for him, I also loved the past scenes with Tom, HP2 was just the best for me.
@@princesssmileyface91 i somewhy hated the CoS (even the book, i don't know why) when i was a kid but recently i rewatched the movies and yeah, it was one of the best ones. Christian Coulson was a GREAT pick for Tom Riddle. He actually seems charming but disturbing at the same time. I know he was a bit too old to play Tom Riddle in the HBP but damn he was spot on in the second one!
Hero Fiennes Tiffin on the other hand seemed just creepy in the 6th film and it made me wonder as a kid why on earth Dumbledore didn't sense he was evil.
11:30 Let’s also not forget the song they play for this mosh pit and how it makes my ears explode from cringe
What’s ironic is that the Goblet of Fire is my favorite book in the series, but the film is my least favorite of all. There is so much that is left out that needs context to understand, and the book is a lot darker than the film, which is to demonstrate how much serious the series becomes after this point. Even the fifth movie is more enjoyable to watch, which is ironic because the corresponding book is the one that I least look forward to rereading, a lot of which is due to having to watch Harry being constantly put down and frustrated during the book, which makes his emotional explosion at Dumbledore after the climax all the more satisfying to read given how emotionally exhausted he is.
Thank you for all the great comments! My next video is going to be a ranking of the eight Harry Potter films. It'll be a much more positive video than this one, and I'm excited to share my opinions on the other movies. See you all soon!
This is what alan rickman said he hates goblet of fire and he says it is the worst.
Personally as in in-theater experience the only one that I thought was truly miserable was Azkaban. As well as mangling the book far worse than any of the others I found the direction truly awful compared to the source material. Maybe it's just because it was too far away from the first two movies which I'd say are the best of the lot as movies.
great video man
I was watching all the movies in order but once I hit Goblet of Fire I stopped. I just can't go on.
One day I told a friend that I was watching a Harry Potter marathon, because I was getting back into the lore and the plot, I always liked the first 2 and even a bit of the 3rd although now I appreciate it much more, you could say that since Goblet of Fire the decline of the franchise begins, though I loved the film and at least it didn't put me to sleep like Half Blood-Prince on first views, guess the darker cinematography didn't help, then that friend replied "for me the best were 4 and 6, in fact 6 is very good, I would say one of my favorites", he also read the books lol, I don't know what you think about that.
Mike Newell is not a bad director but his understanding of Wizarding World reminds me of Rian Johnson (not a bad director either) with The Last Jedi. Guess they picked Newell because he was the first british director in the saga.
Edit: I just found funny that you put Swenney Todd shaving Snape LOL
Yes! It was my favourite book but the movie just baffled me in just how many absurd choices it made in the adaptation.
That being said, I do like the slightly more dreamlike yet significantly darker tone of the movie, which matches the book. Additionally, the graveyard scene was genuinely the most genuinely terrifying Voldemort has ever been. And finally, the tonal dissonance in the scene when Harry returns with Cedric's body to fanfares and cheering and then Amos' SCREAM is just absolutely CHILLING. It's so perfectly sadistic to the viewer that it almost makes up for all of the missteps earlier in the film.
yeah I really liked the dissonance too! I was like "No! Stop cheering!!! Cedric is dead, Voldemort returned, and Harry is traumatised!"
Same! My favorite book but that’s why it’s my least favorite movie because they literally cut out EVERYTHING
alot of people after i mention this too that do any of you like me hate that they wear muggle clothes about 70-80% of the time ? after 2nd movie more for sure in GOF its like are you at a Wizard school or a muggle school. Doesnt give off wizard or witch v ibes. I noticed this way back when first saw it. Not to mention all that you said flaws and this is the WORST book to movie of Harry potter only 30% good to me but wearing muggle clothes alot and in other movies too much kills the vibe of wizard and witch. I really hated the new dumbledore could of found anyone better and calmer. Even after GOF.
mike newell didn't at least read the book for the film he was making?? that is absolutely insane
It's my second favorite in the series (the first episode being first on my list). But the idea of a tournament where the kids could die never made sense. Who would volunteer for that? And when Harry's name came up, why didn't he immediately deny it, instead of remaining silent? And why was Ron so pissed-off? Why couldn't Harry just say "Hey, Ron, somebody else put my name in the goblet" right away? Aside from these types of flaws, the overall movie was still a fun watch.