208: PNSO "Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis" (Chongzuo 2022) Review
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2022
- Erratum: In response to a question from a viewer, let me clarify that "Sinopliosaurus weiyuanensis" is still considered a plesiosaur. It is only "Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis" that is considered nomen dubium. I should have been specific, as what I said implied the entire genus Sinopliosaurus is invalid. It is not.
Indeed, Sinopliosaurus weiyuanensis having been named first, its use takes precedence, and the genus should in fact be considered a plesiosaur for now. In that light, "Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis" should not even be considered nomen dubium, but completely invalid altogether.
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Today we have another controversial offering from PNSO, the “Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis”.
Based on some teeth, and following a very convoluted path from plesiosaur to spinosaurid, this very interesting dinosaur is as yet still nomen dubium. Nonetheless, PNSO has decided to honour it with its usually amazing rendition of detail, sculpt and paint, resulting in a beautiful spinosaurid that I have not seen since PNSO’s very own Spinosaurus.
The aesthetics are beautiful, and whether you want to consider it a Suchomimus, Siamosaurus, or even just “Sinopliosaurus”, this is a model that is worthy of consideration, even as a symbol of the convoluted paths our dinosaurs sometimes take from bonebed to book.
Reference:
Hendrickx C., Mateus O., and Araújo R. "A Proposed Terminology of Theropod Teeth (Dinosauria, Saurischia)," Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 35(5), (1 September 2015). doi.org/10.1080/02724634.2015...
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I really appreciate you reviewing this model and all the in depth info on spinosaurids. I do think it is a beautiful model still despite being highly speculative and I think it looks nicely next to the 2020 Spinosaurus. That said I do hope for a proper Suchomimus and/or Baryonyx from them some day, as well as a larger version of the 2020 Spinosaurus.
You're most welcome and I'm always happy when people are interested in the science parts as well! I do make little corrections and amendments in the description box, and there is one that I included in this as well.
I really haven't paid as much to theropods, especially spinosaurids compared to sauropods and ceratopsians, but they are really pretty incredible despite superficially similar bauplans. I really hope we'll get a more complete spinosaurid some day, which will help us fill a lot of the gaps in our knowledge. Imagine how different the spinosaurids might look in ten years' time. Already people are starting to reconstruct Spinosaurus as a biped again!
Who knows what PNSO might do with it when they finally get round to a fuller 1:35 Spinosaurus. I'm sure it will be spectacular!
Although a cool sculpt,I think I'll pass since it's such a mysterious dinosaur. Also I appreciate the scientific segments, it's hard to come by a reviewer that is as informative as you!
Thank you very much for your interest in that side of things! I know many people would rather I just review the toy and then the whole video would be shorter and out a lot earlier but that's not what I'm interested in.
Please also remember to check my description box as I update it with corrections or relevant viewer posts that are worth reading. There are always going to be people who know more about something that I, or who spot some error I made, so I make these amendments as soon as I get them.
I already included an error for this video! 😝
My "Sinopliosaurus" is already on it's way for me! Because I absolutely love the sculpt/figure and the color scheme! Honestly very beautiful figure! And for me it's Siamosaurus or Spinosauroid sp. Haha
Good point and I think that's the way to go. Spinosaurid sp indeed! See my updated description box for why this is a much better idea.
@@DinosDragons Mhm yeah I will go with that. Now waiting for PNSO's Suchomimus or Baryonyx!
The detail and narration in which you cover these figures is incredible. PNSO really ought to thank you for being their best sales person!
Haha thank you my friend! I think they definitely know I'm a fan. But I couldn't be their sales person. If you watch enough of my videos you know I'm fair, and have critiqued many different models for various points 😔
Amazingly well researched review! Thank you.
You're most welcome! By the way I often update my description box with relevant comments from posters or amendments. In this case I updated it to clarify a point that might cause misunderstanding. Please have a look next time you visit! 😁
This is so beautiful! didn’t even know it was coming out!
It is indeed! I think it is a real beauty of a spinosaurid and I'm not too personally concerned what I call it.
Thoughtful and well balanced review, with lot of good sense about how one might regard this figure.
Thank you very much, I hope to be objective and informative while keeping the rants to a minimum lol! 🤣
But there are a lot of heated statements and mean comments on the Chinese forums and recalling what happened with Nanotyrannus the last time round, I thought to help attenuate any rises in blood pressure all around 😂
@@DinosDragons that came across very clearly!
You managed to get this review out on my birthday :) this is a really interesting figure for me because spinosaurids are my favorite… but I agree with the fragmentary nature of the family being annoying…I’m usually more picky with my PNSO figures and their accuracy, for example I passed on there iguanodon due to the controversial skull shape…but despite all the problems with this figure I can’t help but really like it despite its very odd bottom teeth…it’s a figure I’m going to need to think about and probably rewatch this review many times for before I pull the trigger on getting it but we’ll see what happens… either way great video as always keep up the good work :)
Happy birthday to you! 🎂
@ Oscar Valdes Thank you! Indeed, in some ways, this dinosaurs is more 'acceptable' than Iguanodon, simply because we know so much about the latter with so many fossils, that our idea of what an Iguanodon _should_ look like is going to be quite close to reality. So when we don't get that, it's a bit more egregious than something outrightly speculative, but still conforming to generally agreed features of the group bauplan.
Happy birthday to you! I hope you got yourself something good! 😉😉
Thanks for the masterclass about this theropods man....
You're most welcome, but my knowledge of spinosaurids is really poor actually, since I was never as interested in theropods as I am in sauropods and ceratopsians, and recently, ankylosaurs! 😁
Your reviews are more than simple descriptions of a simple toy and l like that. Today in our paleo class, the subject is the Spinosauridae
Haha thank you very much, but I wouldn't claim to being qualified at all! My main interest is in anatomy and speculative physiology, and although I've thought about taking up paleontology studies, the thought of having to cover the less interesting bits such as geological timescales makes me shudder. 😂
Actually a really cool looking model. I’m going to skip this one since with so little material known, it’s basically all speculative. But for fans of spinosaurs, it seems to be a nice figure. Thanks for the in depth discussion as usual!
You're most welcome, and that's money saved for you right there! 😁😁
Thanks for the science on what’s known! My favorite dino channel. And i found collectA swimming spino on everything dinosaurs, thanks for showing that
You're most welcome, and I am delighted that you are watching not just for the model but also the science part! 😁 The CollectA Spino was one of those milestone figures that have a huge influence on what comes after. We all owe CollectA for that crocodilian tail so poplur in models, for example!
One of your best reviews, in addition to the very interesting scientific part, I really appreciated the final message.
It is simply a beautiful model and I would have bought it even if it was called Plutosaurus :)
Thank you very much!
I believe that we all take up a hobby because it makes us happy, and destresses us from other aspects of life that are already squeezing us daily. It's sad when a hobby or interest actually causes more unhappiness and consternation. And considering what's happening on the larger stage of the world today, I wish that more collectors were united in a common love of dinosaurs on the macro level, and not find something to argue about on the micro level like lips and feathers.
Stay happy! 😊
It's a nice take to a controversial genus, I'm looking forward for PNSO to release my beloved Suchomimus one day.
I learned a lot about spinosaur anatomy today, thanks, there were many thing I didn't know!
You're most welcome! Spinosaurids really are quite interesting and I have been pretty slack with the literature as they're so fragmentary, and I hope that in my lifetime they will uncover a complete one that can help fill in a lot of the gaps. It would be a treasure trove for anatomy lovers! 😋😋
Siamosaurus does have postcranial elements, for now anyways. The Khok Kruat skeleton, SM-KK 14, representa some vertebra, ribs, parts of the pelvis, a finger and some other bits, important thing here is that if the interpretation from the paper describing them is correct the dip in the "sail" PNSO depicts is highly unlikely, as far as we can tell.
Good point! I didn't want to mention SM-KK14 as it is till not officially attributed to Siamosaurus. Also to properly talk about the Phuwiang spinosaurid would have added another five minutes to an already long video and put more people to sleep 😁
*Spinosaurid Moment*
Also great thumbnail,hope you're day is going great
You're most welcome!
Very excellent sinopliosaurus
Pnso is the best no doubt about that, not only are the models professional and realistic they sell for a price lower than their value
Exactly! Unfortunately the further from China and Asia collectors are, the more expensive they get. That's why a lot of people are unhappy about the pricing, because of the shipping and those annoying middleman premiums. But dinosaurs like this, even of a dubious dinosaur, are so good, that it makes it hard for people to say no!
It's a suchomimus. May not be a perfect specimen, but still represents. I was about to buy this, when i saw the torvosaurus on sale. Will buy this one next. Suchomimus. The best review, as usual.
Thank you! Well as always, my advice when it comes to PNSO especially, is to buy as early as possible to get the best paint apps. The fall off is quite apparent with each subsequent run ☹
Omg bro I just got this model and holy sheet as a former. Paleontologist
I can tell whoever made this was a team of experienced paleontologist becuase I spent four years studding its fossils and I just figured out what it was Xd 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PNSO can definitely be relied on to put the science into their models. Even for something so speculative, they bring us something plausible!
I love PNSO figures, so I won't complain. But I really can't wait to see 'The Story of Creating Chongzuo the Sinopliosaurus' video by ZHAO Chuang. This Sinopliosaurus is 100% more complicated than Nanotyrannus it seems 😕As I once said, PNSO loves to lay their hands on obscure and questionable species yet their figures justify the effort they put in. This figure is just amazing no doubt about that. Love the sculpt and the pose. But I have a few opinions and suggestions to make.
First I'd love to see the upper jaw and the lower jaw painted in one color. This two-tone color scheme makes its face a bit artificial. Then the first thing I noticed are those claws. I also would love to see some bigger claws. Then I seriously want to see some webbed hands and feet. If it's not accurate in hands, I definitely would love to see webbed feet. Then the main point I'd like to talk about is the color scheme. This is literally 'Domingo The Carnotaurus's and 'Perez The Machairoceratop's' color schemes and if we are to consider Sinopliosaurus as a spinosaurid I think I'd prefer a much different color scheme. So I'd suggest more greenish and grayish colors with no strips. Maybe a few strips here and there but not like a terrestrial predator like Carnotaurus. Because spinosaurids mostly ate fish and I think they are not ferocious like T-rexes and other terrestrial predators. And I think most of these spinosaurids spend their time alone or with their partners. So for a muddy or river environment, this color scheme is a bit heavy I think.
Please don't get me wrong my dear Sir, this is just my idea. When I see a figure I imagine its whole life cycle so this is just my imagination. Either way, I love this figure, no doubt about that. And as you said I'll take it as a Siamosaurus for the moment until they find more fossil evidence. As always I enjoyed this long and informative video so much❤. Please keep up the good work and wish you all the best, my dear Sir.
No worries at all Rajitha! I am happy that we all have our own ways of looking at these things, and sharing our ideas in a friendly enthusiastic way can only bring us all closer together. I see some of the acrimonious remarks and emotional arguments and it's sad that something we all love should divide us. Seems like people always find something to subdivide themselves with. That's one reason I stopped going to any forums years ago. From dinosaur models to MMA to Transformers it's all the same. (Though I still lurk on the Chinese forums from time to time to see any advance news on PNSO haha) Always feel free to share your views here! 😁
Colour scheme is something I actually don't usually have strong feelings about myself. As long as the animal looks good and is well-painted, I know what I like and what I don't. I never noticed the similarity with Carnotaurus. As long as PNSO starts to vary even stripes if they insist on it, I am happy with it. I'm sure they know by now already what many collectors feel about this. The Chinese collectors definitely aren't shy about expressing their views! 🤣
Have a good week mate!
상당히 공들인 영상이다 혹시 지지대는 포함되있지 않나요?
Yes it is! It stands so well that I didn't even think to mention! 🤣
Wait is it available for purchase already?
Hey have you seen Yvy figures’ Irritator? I hope to one day have Siamosaurus and Irritator together
Yes I have, but as it was a 1:20, and there was another dragon I wanted at that time, I had to make a hard choice ☹ Running out of space...
This would be a nice addition without a doubt...
Without a doubt! If you don't really care about minutiae, you would be very happy with this one I think!
Looks like Spinosaurus without the sail.
Generally spinosaurid bauplans tend to be the same, at least from what we know so far. Spinosaurus is a really extreme outlier!
its one amazing figure that i consider to buy, when it first came out and saw sinopliosaurus in the name i didnt feel anything since i didnt know anything about this animal but i searched and saw the pliosaur thing going on...as siamosaurus i feel this figure works because it doesnt have a lot of material and so you can easily speculate a bit bigger size than the actual material if of course we dont see adult characteristics (which btw im curious does it have any?)
i think its clever that pnso used characteristics of different spinosaurids as we saw in your baryonyx and suchomimus and this figure comparison at least it proves that their speculation about the rest of the body is not randomly made but still was researched even the notch it has above the hips makes sense because i did find that siamosaurus is believed to be closely related to icthyovenator who has it in a greater extent than this figure
usually im scared to buy animals with such little material and its the reason i dont have zuchenghtyrannus yet but compared to this zuchenghtyrannus is nothing lol....but after all there are tons of fragmentary spinosaurids so i believe it will always fit somewhere so not only im confident buying this but also buying the zuchenghtyrannus i was scared to buy for accuracy reasons
Only 4 teeth were found in synopliosaurus, and zhuchengtirannus has 2 large pieces of jaw, so the difference is not fundamental, but as a percentage of the skeleton, 2 pieces of jaw are more than 4 teeth. Spinosaurids differed more from each other than tyrannosaurids, so Synopliosaurus may have a more speculative reconstruction, as well as 2 flaws on the head - the eye is just a point, and in the area of the jaws, which the author pointed out. And Synopliosaurus may not have existed.
@Fire Gator
I believe that the tyrannosaurids we've found so far who that the bauplan is so uniform that save for a few proportional differences, you probably wouldn't go too far wrong speculating on Zhuchengtyrannus by having it pretty much based on that same bauplan.
As @ Руслан Ситников says, spinosaurids on the other hand, have shown to be so varied in the fragments we _do_ have, that that one would be more likely to be a crapshoot. If accuracy is important and you are playing the odds, then between the ZT and this I would probably vote for the ZT being closer to any actual fossil newly uncovered in future 😁
@Руслан Ситников
Absoutely right, spinosaurids differed more widely than tyrannosaurids. In addition, the other consideration is that the actual autapomorphies identified in ZT are a lot more definite and credible, while the teeth for Sinopliosaurus _fusuiensis_ are so generic as to be next to useless for erecting a new genus ☹.
Also oops I did not emphasize in the video enough, but I've updated my decription box with an error I made at a point. I didn't mean to say that Sinopliosaurus wasn't valid, I should have emphasized in full that "Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis" is nomen dubium. Sinopliosaurus as the name stands, refers to a plesiosaur of some sort.
@@DinosDragons ah i see....alright i will think about it and see what i will do
So it's not accurate cause there's literally no fully complete/ close to complete skeleton found of Sinopliosaurus, but it's pretty accurate in the bone structures and anatomy that it borrows from it's relatives in the Spinosaur and Baryonyx family? Is that correct?
I would say that in fact Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis itself doesn't exist at all so there's no accuracy to talk about. But the bony anatomy it borrows from its relatives are good representations. That said, many people still won't like what is essentially a Frankenstein dinosaur made up of different animals.
Did you order the spinosauruas from mezoic life project?
Yes indeed I did! I usually try to support independent artists if I can and I like what he is trying to do, not just with this model, but his bigger picture! 😁
@@DinosDragons Are you going to review it? I really want a review on it honestly
How the HELL did you get it so fast!?! It only just begun showing up on Ali Express, Amazon etc.
i heard he lives in china (read it somewhere in a different video)
he got the zhuchengtyrannus before it was even leaked!
YESSSS was looking forward to this! And I was not in the least disappointed. This is an absolutely beautiful figure, the sculpt, paint and level of detail are gorgeous, and if taken as Fabbri's Suchomimus, the scale (1:35) would be just perfect.
Would you however say that Fabbri's illustration of the Suchomimus skeletal is inaccurate or out of date? Because if the skeletal is accurate, I would actually consider purchasing this as a Suchomimus, given how well the figure matches the skeletal, even down to the pose.
But regardless, this makes a beautiful Siamosaurus figure, and any fan of that species should absolutely purchase this model. Looking forward to what PNSO puts out next!
I'm not sure on what the artist in the Fabbri paper based his reconstructions on. Given the recency of the paper, I would expect Fabbri to correct the artist if he thought it looked off.
On the other hand, I've noticed that in papers, sometimes two of an identical model are used for separate genuses more as a placeholder illustration. But when I compared the two, I could see that the artist did include subtle variations including the snout and other relative proportions. So I belive he did intend Suchomimus to be Suchomimus.
Maybe I missed out the credit though. You might like to check out the paper. It's
Fabbri et al 2021
Subaqueous foraging among carnivorous dinosaurs
doi.org/10.1038/s41586-022-04528-0
doi.org/10.1038/s41586-022-04528-0
Without knowing what the artist based his models on, it's impossible to compare it to the remains and judge, so I'm sorry I am in no position at all to say.
Regardless, as you say, it's a beautiful figure!
22:36 I actually appreciate PNOS doing controversial dinosaurs like that and this one.
I think as long as we are clear which is speculative and which not, that's fine and we can choose whether the speculated form makes sense or not, and then to buy or not. I am just concerned that children who are a large target audience get the right information. For us we can at least do our own reading up, but if you give a kid an idea from young that's wrong, they grow up with it.
I sure wouldn't mind if PNSO were to _speculate_ and give us a 1:35 PVC Argentinosaurus!!
@@DinosDragons I think there's far worse dinosaur misinformation for children than this, like all of hollywood lol
It's a really beautiful sculpture. The semi Aquatic anatomy is stunning. The jaw the tail...it just gives us another type/species again another classic from the brilliant PNSO. X
I only hope more spinosaurid material becomes known, and we can get to know the anatomy with more surety down the road 😊
I am really happy they did make a new spinosaurus but Sinopliosaurus is kinda of an odd choice..
It is indeed. In fact Sinopliosaurus should actually be dropped when it comes to referring to any more spinosaurid material (detail in the erratum section of my description box below)
3:00 the figure was probably fuming that it wasn't given the almond, who rude.
Haha that almond is making more and more guest appearances!
13:53 what species is B?
B is Irritator (possibly Angaturama as well. )
Siamosaurus
Haha, or you can just think of it as "spinosaur (unnamed)" 😁
As speculative as this dino is I can't help but add it to my want list.
I just love spinosaurids and this guy looks beautiful! May headcanon the dip in the spine by the hips as maybe a birth deformity or old injury.
Haha you're right there, and it wouldn't be out of place. PNSO did exactly that for their Parasaurolophus, including the injury in ROM768.
a new video from dinodragons a day, keeps the dino books away
Lol thank you but I couldn't accept that high praise! We are learning all the time; indeed I often have experts who know more about something than I do point out an error or at least a reasonable disagreement, and I often highlight these in my descriptions box. Just on this one someone pointed out to me that I said something that was unclear and I had to clarify that in the description box 😝😝
@@DinosDragons I learned a lot from your channel, thx
It is interesting model I usually get about all of the pnso dinosaurs almost but this one is a pass on my part be of the tail I prefer a more original tail then a aquatic one it looks like a mosasaur tail in a way 😺
Spinosaurids are so poorly known that every fragmentary find with something interesting tends to be incoroporated across all discoveries. Who knows what the tail of this or any other spinosaur might look like in real life 🤣 But you can be happy knowing you've saved some money while the rest of us slowly edge nearer to bankruptcy. 😥😥
It’s a siamosaurus to me
Siamosaurus inself is teeth genus and is just as bad, better think about it as still undescribed thai spinosaurid specimen, they may be nor not be a siamosaurus
@ Артемий Андриевский That's how I think of it. I can live with it being nameless as long as most of the anatomy conforms to what we know, especially given the beauty of this.
I get the racket grant seekers excel at, renaming the same fossils over & over, but a figure maker getting in on the shady grift is an all new low.
Lol, well I wouldn't use the word "racket", but it's hard to find another word. I myself recently commented on certain researchers who are really draaaaggging out a certain fossil, milking it for all its worth to keep the papers coming out. That said, at least each paper is detailed.
Now toy/model makers, I'm more inclined to be forgiving, since most of their audience is going to be children anyway, and compared to the available monstrosities out there, PNSO is miles above. Even this speculative spinosaurid has the characters we associate with the group. This certainly isn't one of PNSO's must-haves, but a splendid model nonetheless if you can just call it "spinosaurid sp" 😁
Yeah, I dont claim to know much about how paleontology works these days, but when I see these never before seen species, all grand & majestic with full backstories on how long they lived, how they felt about sunsets etc. - all from a single toenail or tooth, im like wtf. Course they always have the benefit of the doubt should they find a second tooth, in which they can write even more papers disproving thier earlier papers lol rince & repeat with each new tooth they find. My issue is more with that, than what a toy maker makes tbh. Course with this new model, at least PNSO ditched the whole scientifically accurate angle they use as a marketing tool. Thank you for your response to my comment Sir.@@DinosDragons
The more I look at this Spinothing, the more I like it. Especially the paint apps, "who I usually diss from time to time " heh heh. Plus, it being kinda generic styled, guarantees its just a matter of time till we unearth a 100% match of this. Its a win win lol
I feel like the arms could have been posed better. Definitely something off about it
I wonder how much of it is to do with balance as well, but in general theropod arms haven't been posed to creatively (but still realistically). I hope if they do a dinosaur which features purportedly more useful arms, like the therizinosaurs and Deinocheirus, will be posed to show them off!
@@DinosDragons I definitely agree!
Oh what the hell man. Why not call it Siamosaurus bruh? Other than that, a fine figure.
Because Bauffetaut stopped short of saying so, only willing to state that it was _"closely allied"_ to Siamosaurus. It's only other people who started to link the two together. As far as I know, "Sinopliosaurus fusuiensis" still stands.
@@DinosDragons Sinopliosaurus is a genus of plesiosaur though, eesh, idk. At least the figure looks a bit nice.
@@LeoTheYuty It is indeed. Please have a look at my updated description box.
@@DinosDragons Alright cool, thanks for the info!
Given this model is based on such scant evidence I’m not entirely bothered by the artist’s speculations. Like history has shown, it is often Paleoartists who have accurately depicted prehistoric animals long before the science confirms. This may one prove once again that life imitates art. Wouldn’t that be a splendid coincidence ?
Indeed! We never know! As far as I'm concerned, I could think of this as simply "spinosaurid sp."and still be very happy with it. The important thing really, is that I know what I have, and how much is real vs how much is reasonably speculative. If it's at least reasonably speculative and I like everything else about it, I would still be very happy to have it!
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