Eagle head swap on your 03/08 5.7 Hemi. Some things you’ll need.
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2022
- Some of the things you’ll need to to your eagle head swap and some things you can delete. @UncleTonysGarage @kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 #dodge #eagleheadswap #5.7Hemi #mopar #charger #hemi #challenger #345hemi #eaglepistons #Hemibuilds
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Mopar AL.. Great information. Thanks for sharing it.
Excellent info, thanks for the video. Diablo!!
Some good info here. Thanks!
Great video
Hey Al thanks.
Thank you for this video... So just to confirm I'm good with 05 pre eagle non mds block, pistons and cam. Then putting eagle heads, rockers, rods, valve covers, coils with a. 070 gasket
Good progress 🤘🏻
Recommend swapping eagle heads over just porting the heads on my 05
The valve seat thing sucks. I had one fall on a new rebuild before the first oil change. It didn't break apart or hurt the piston so I got lucky. But its still a pain.
Great info, AL. I didn’t know a thing about a gem 3 hemi until I swapped my challenger. You shared some new information that I didn’t know! Thanks for sharing.
Hey, you doing the Hot rod tour this year?
Yes sir.
I need help with my hemi Al I have a 2006 charger r/t and I won’t to do the eagle heads and intake on there and the push rods
I just have the eagle heads intake pushrods and valve covers is that all I need to do this seap
Run a 060 or 070 head gasket.
Awesome info for my next build. i have a stock 4.7 it has 275k miles on it wish there was something more i could do for the rebuild more hp would be nice
coming together Al 😎👍🔧🏁
Very helpful @mopar AL!
Do you have a full parts list of everything you need to do this? What you have on the table?
I have a 2007 5.7 Power Wagon with 300k. Starting to get lifter tick. Want to do the Eagle Head Swap instead of full Eagle Swap to avoid VVT changes but get the power benefits.
Looking for the budget friendly parts list please? Fine with the 6.1 intake swap. Want to keep all my accessories same location and functional.
By the way, the pre eagle valve covers do, in fact fit on eagle heads. I just tested it, plus the guy from Reignited does it all the time and he's a Dodge tech.
Ok.. if you measure the height of the valve cover of the earlier gen3 5.7/6.1 with the eagle there is a difference . It allows more room for the rocker assembly. The rocker assembly sets higher on the eagle heads this is why the valve cover have the double humps.
Hey Al, I am between a rock and a hard spot with my eagle swap. I am running a 2007 Ram 1500. Bored/stroked/cammed short block. 2013 eagle heads. I did get all new pushrods, .070 cometic head gaskets, Mr. Gasket aluminum eagle valve covers (they bowed up in the middle when installed - I have bene told the Mahle valve cover gasket will fix this). My issue is I need to run the Holley Sniper intake. I don't believe it will clear the truck accessories. I have a car timing cover, and I plan on using the Holley 97-347 alternator relocation bracket. I'll make new lines for my a/c compressor. Looks like the car water pump is different - no fan clutch drive on the WEP pulley, and water outlets look to be in a different place. I know that means I assume that means I will have to run an electric fan. Am I going to have to do some hose routing magic with my radiator? Anything else I am forgetting?
Not off hand.. we went a different route when we did the one in Ethan’s truck. He wanted to keep the alternator and a/c in the same location, so we went with a OCP intake from MMX.
how far can you grind the fins on the intake manifold, just the fins or can you get into the plastic?
Hey man is there a way around the whole valve dropping issue on these engines , what’s the difference from pre eagle heads to normal ones
I not a big Mopar fan but the knowledge is awesome stuff I didn't know.
What about swapping side to side on heads left to right and right to left
Can you make a list so I can price it out I’d love to do this
Do you know the length of the pushrods used on a pre-eagle 5.7 with cosmetic head gaskets and eagle heads
What about coil packs and spark plugs?
Do you need to do a tune after this? I would assume so
@Mopar AL Say can I swap a complete 09 hemi eagle motor in a pre eagle truck like 03-05 and if so what all would I need to get it to work correctly?
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I have some gen3 hemi stuff for sale if you need it. 04 engine block, torque converters(2), 3.55 gears front and rear etc etc
I have an 2005 Ram with 401,580kms on it and I get a little noise but still smooth but I’m looking to rebuild it and stuff it in my 1987 Ram sport 50, all this info you put out is awesome thanks very much
Thanks
That looks like it might be a fun replacement for the 4.7 in these dead Commanders around here.🤔
The 4.7 is a ok motor for what it is, just not hardly any support for them.
Can't you use the 6.4 liter intake as well ?! From a heavy duty Ram 2500
when you do the math of the eagle heads flowing 14 percent more air, but the eagle heads combustion chamber is 20cc smaller, and not a true hemi design, because its oval shaped, what do you come up with horsepower differences? thanks
2003 Hemi pre Eagle engine is the only year without EGR, MDS, and VVT. I have a 2003 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi.
I thought the 03-08s that came with a manual also did not have any of that? Am I mistaken?
@@christianjadot4459 Yes but manuals only came on 2500 trucks. They're also the best ECUs to use.
Great info AL, Can you delete the solenoids and use the plugs without doing a cam and mds lifter swap? Or will it create an internal oiling problem? I have an 09 5.7 Eagle.
If you leave the solenoids in just turn the mds off and call it good.. or if you are wanting to remove them I would at least replace the 4 lifters as well.
Great video. Love it how you explain for car dummies like me to understand. LOL. I thought doing this to my 3rd gen Dodge Ram. You mentioned that a 6.1 intake. Do you recommend an aftermarket intake manifold that is compatible with the eagle heads and more sporty/better performance?
There is a lot out there in the after market world. We got one from OCP for the truck it aloud us to keep the a/c and the alternator in the same location.
Thank you for your reply. I will look into OCP. I would like to do upgrades without having to break the bank and do too many changes to the engine just to accommodate certain other upgrades. Thanks!
I want to do a swap gt pre eagle 5.7 so can you give me a list things i need so do i need 6.1 heads? Intake manifold 6.1? Can you just give me a list
What legnth pushrods do I get
Biggest question I have is the EGR system. As I understand it, tuners like diablo USED to be able to disable the EGR system, but not anymore. I think the gub'ment put a stop to that. I would love to disable my EGR system, even if I wasn't doing a head swap, but I haven't been able to figure out how.
Take it to any decent tuner, the old ecu is completely tunable.
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy an 09 5.7 that has the eagle heads and rebuild that, and swap it in your 06 charger pre eagle?
Thank you for the info. So stock eagle pushrods will work fine even with the slightly thicker head gasket?
To a point.. at 0.70 you’re almost at zero lash.
Question... Do the pre-eagle composite valve covers fit the eagle heads? >>> 1:09 I know the 05 metal VC do not fit, per ReIgnited's YT channel. I noticed the composite eagle VC has raised/higher sections above the valve springs compared to the previous generation VC.
Personally I would use the eagle valve covers.
How did you get around the EGR valve? Did you reprogram the ECU? Whats the long term effects to the CATS or Valves?
Reprogram the ecm.. none really.. the factory did away with it as well.
Did you run the pre eagle fuel rails or did you buy the new fuel supply hose to be able to run eagle fuel rails, I tried doing pre eagle fuel rails and the front passenger side injector doesn’t seal, it shoots fuel even after I changed to another pair of pre eagle rails/injectors
I was able to use my old fuel rail , but it was a tight fit around the intake.
If I went with some aftermarket pistons say .30 over or something would I be able to get them dished to compensate for the compression?.
You could use 2009 and up pistons they have a small dome and you can use the stock gaskets.
Do you know what it’s bumps the compression ratio to if you use a stock thickness head gasket??
Around 13.5.1 +/- then you might want to check valve to piston clearance.
i have a 05 block with a 392 scat stroker kit with eagle heads and just got a never installed 2017 complete 5.7 Truck intake. it doesn't look like i can cut the intake down at all but can i grind where it hits the block enough to make it work
On hemi truck club there's a post about doing that to the eagle truck intake, yeah its a hemi , was the user who did that modification to his eagle head swap in his 03 ram
Awesome vid. I'm still a bit fuzzy on this: I'm gonna be putting eagle heads in my pre-eagle block. With a thicker gasket, will I be needing 2009+ pushrods? Cam is staying the same.
Yes
what if im doing the same thing he is doing but instead i go with an aftermarket camshaft would i need to get custom length pushrods??
@@adan.v3230 Yes
@@TheTazzman1968Thanks, this is like real time valuable info. Great demo! I sub because I will be doing this swap also and want to stay informed on these topics. Can you tell me what size cometic gasket is best to use? They run between 150 to 200 bucks.
Hey great video, lots of info. I have a 2008 jeep commander overland. I have a question about maybe you can help.
Would I be able to just buy a 2009 or 2010 jeep commander engine and just swap entire engine? Any problems I might run into, solutions? Not sure how much it will cost to upgrade my pre eagle, compared to just swapping the whole engine. I can buy engine for about $2,700 reman. Thank you for any advice you can give. Where are you located, I am new to your channel. 🤙
You would have to also switch all the wiring harness and computers as well. 2009 was the first year for the eagle version of the 3rd Gen Hemi with vvt.
Al where can I find a video showing how to mill the intake manifold so it will set down on my pre eagle 5.7 hemi block? I can't find anything on that and I'm definitely trying to save myself from buying a aftermarket intake.
When I did that on my charger.. I didn’t have the channel yet, so no video of of me doing it.
@@TheTazzman1968 I just don't want to take out something that's going to mess up the integrity of my intake but it seems to be the better of the two choices I have not going to even think about milling the water jacket area my luck ain't the best when it comes to pushing the limits. Your video was a great help and very well explained thank you.
I have the 2017 eagle. Did a tune for exhaust and cold air intake. My tuner is telling me heads will make a big difference but I’m not sure what heads to get. I want to do long tube headers heads and intake manifold but idk
long tubes will get you about 30whp alone the biggest thing holding back the 5.7 is the stock cam at about 80 the car starts to slow do headers and a cam and itll make a MASSIVE difference dont worry about manifold and heads pretty much outflow the engine unless you get real crazy
@@dakotajones8010 392 cam or comp cams/what stage?
Edelbrock heads netted ~60hp on a dyno video I watched a couple of minutes ago (they had installed a cam as well, but ram both stock and edelbrock heads on the same short block).
What if someone port and polish pre eagle heads. Power difference? Thanks
Some, but still the issue with the valve seats dropping..unless you’ve had them replaced.
I now have my engine with this head swap complete. Is any tunning needed before attempting to start it for the very first time? Like to accommodate for the new air and fuel ratios going in? Anything helps. Thanks.
Nope, run 93 as far as a tune if you put a aftermarket cam with you would probably need a tune..depending on what lift you got.
@@TheTazzman1968 sweet! Thanks for the help! Love the videos btw
Hey AL, for the 6.1 intake, any issues with the pre-eagle fuel rail or injectors?
Won’t work.. you can fined 6.1 rails pretty cheap now days.
@@TheTazzman1968 thanks man.
I'm using eagle heads on my 04 5.7 hemi block with comp 273 cam, stock head gaskets on e85, runs great!
Yup..on E85
@@TheTazzman1968 I have a start up tune, and will be dynoeing soon to report the gains
I am looking to do the same thing to my pre eagle engine do I just have to swap the eagle stuff over or is there something I have to tamper with
@@hectorgonzalez9636 I'm driving it on E85 start up tune and it's going well, I used eagle pushrods and valve covers, and am using a Holley Hi ram intake manifold
@@200shotramhemi4 okay thank you for helping me out I appreciate it man 😊
I did a eagle head swap on my 06 now my coil packs don’t reach my spark plugs I’ve never heard of this before please help
Did you ever find out the cause? I'm looking to do the same.
Thank you so much. One question are the camshafts the same between a eagle and non eagle engine.
No
Eagle camshafts have the VVT phaser on the business end. You have to run the eagle cam in the eagle block, or the non-eagle cam in the non-eagle block.
Thank you for this. What cam would you suggest, for a daily driver 06 Ram with this eagle swap? Thx
Stock .
@@TheTazzman1968 stock eagle
Or stock pre eagle?
Pre. Cams are different 09 and up and won’t work.
Are you saying the pre eagle drops valve seats or the eagle does?
Pre
Is the 6.1 intake a better choice than a 6.4 intake? 05 hemi planning on doing this head swap.
6.4 is the one that everyone likes doing..
@@TheTazzman1968 thanks
Would it just be cheaper to buy a whole new motor and drop that in?
Me personally I like building my own engines. A lot of people do the eagle head swap these days.
If I do the heads and pistons, do i need to do a tune?
If stock , no.
What is the factory thickness on the gaskets?
I am throwing 6.1 heads on my pre-eagle.
0.040
@@TheTazzman1968 Thank you sir
i have a question what pushrods and size?
I used the eagle push rods on our build .
What do you do about the difference In coil packs?
U can buy pig tails or wire them yourself to just fire both at the same time. Runs way better too. MMX sells them for like $100
So if you run a thicker head gasket then the pushrods still won't work correct?
Yes and no.. we used the stock eagle push rods with the 0.70 gasket on our build.. that being said that put us about 0 preload. It also depends on what cam you get . If it has a smaller base circle .
Thanks for the reply... I've got all the parts so im about to build one.
@@TheTazzman1968would the stock pushrods work in that particular setup with a comp cam stage 1 bar cam
Do you need any specific gaskets?
6.1 gaskets on the eagle with 6.1 intake.
If you are wanting to use 6.1 intake on a pre eagle 03 to 08 you will need a adapter plate.
Can you use 6.1 intake manifold with them
Yes
What about going old school and slapping a carb on it Al?
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You can if you want to do a stand alone computer.
@@TheTazzman1968 I want to do exact that. I want a 5.7 preagle with eagle heads, and tiny heads gaskets to increase de CR, carbureted with a MSD ignition box. No street use. cam suggestions? :)
@@arturomachado9624 OCP for the Intake, if your going all out Ritter or Prefix. as for cam, something in the 580-600 lift 225-245 works fantastic .
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I am running Eagle heads on 05 block with srt Torque Max cam and Holley hi ram manifold (not the best combo I know) on e85 and hit 317whp SAE in 2nd gear. Running fine for 500miles so far
What gaskets did you use?
@@kerrimiller5093 I am using 03-08 5.7 hemi Headgaskets, with the holley hi ram o ring intake manifold gaskets
Got any pictures?
@@kerrimiller5093 videos on my channel, check them out
That isn't very impressive power numbers. That is barely more than what they make stock to the wheels.
Did you see good HP gains after eagle swap?
All I know is the pre eagle engines are 340 hp. The eagle engines are 375 or 385 hp. It may be slightly apples to oranges but a 40 horse potential gain is cool. Plus, if it bumps the compression, that helps a lot too. And if I was doing a head swap, I would do headers. Aw hell, throw a cam in there while it's tore apart. Damn, here I go again.........
So, I wanna put eagle heads on my pre-eagle HEMI. I believe with stock head gaskets id be running around 11.75/1 compression. Id like to run 91 pump gas. How thick head gaskets would i need to drop the compression low enough to run 91 pump gas? Also, i would imagine with factor gaskets i would use pushrods for an eagle hemi, but with a thicker head gasket would i need to run custom pushrods to make up for the thickness? Or can the lifters compensate for the pushrod length? Just wanna make sure i get all my ducks in a row before buying parts.
I’m running a 070 gasket
I’m running with the eagle push rods, it puts me almost 0 lash. But I would recommend getting custom push rods.
It put me to around 10.5.1
@@TheTazzman1968 okay, thank you for your response. And where would a guy find custom push rods? Anywhere online to buy them or would i have to have someone with machinery custom build pushrods? And i imagine the pushrods would be eagle pushrods, .030 over (stock is .040 i think, so .070-.040=.030)
You can call MMX there in VA.. they do a crap load of Gen 3 stuff.
So if i decide to go through with this and i change the heads, the flow will increase but what do i gain?
Also gaining compression..
@@TheTazzman1968 I understand that but how does this trasnlate into, more power, more torque, just the next step toward forced induction?
@@michaelgimenez4032 You don't want more compression with forced induction. You will also need a bigger ring gap for forced induction. More compression = more HP, but you have to tune for it and run higher octane fuel. If you want more torque, stroke it.
@@Kettenhund75 Currently been running on 87 octane for a while and considering the gas prices, very happy about that fact.
However that thing absolutely deserves to stretch its legs and reach some of the untapoed potential and both optiins are either cammed and staying NA or going forced induction.
ATM nothing as been decided yet, still weighting the options.
You seem to know more than i do so what would be your reasoning toward both paths?
When you put different heads and camshaft in your motor do you tune them yourself?
Took it to a tuner
@@TheTazzman1968 yeah. Only one around here with a Dyno is 150 miles away. It wants to go dead from park to reverse or drive. I have HP tuners and trying to get it stable enough to drive.
Had mine done with hp.. think flyin Ryan does down load tunes.
Probably the cheapest way to do a full eagle swap is get a eagle engine out of a wrecked car, and transfer over the parts, then either rebuild the eagle and sell it for a profit, or just sell off the bare block and everything you didn't use.
Yup.. that’s what I do..😎👍
Edelbrock or Eagle Heads and WHY⁉️
Price for the most part. As far as comparing the 2 can’t give you an opinion.
@@TheTazzman1968 I’m willing to pay only if I get the results I’m looking for. I’m currently looking for a HP + MPG boost. And a smooth mild sound
Do you know what length push rods ?
It all depends on what cam you’re using.
What cam did you end up using im looking at a comp 268
Eagle heads on the pre-eagle block yields 12.30-12.40 to 1 , Been running sets off and on on my daily drivers since 2014/2015 ....stock Head gaskets with good fuel(93oct) ruclips.net/video/qrhSiNPqajk/видео.html
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That's too high, you'll need racing gas for that compression
@@YachtLife not if it's tuned right, been doing it 2014 haven't burned any of them up yet.
You mention deleting the MDS solenoids but not the lifters, if you remove the solenoids but not the MDS lifters it will only run on 4 cylinders as soon as it gets oil pressure! If you really want to turn off the MDS (dumb idea but I digress) just leave the solenoids in and unplug them, simple as that!
Yes when I do mds delete I also replace the cam and lifters, and yes with a tuner you can disable the system as well.
Can you use the pre eagle rocker arm shaft on the eagle heads?
Yes
@@TheTazzman1968 thank you very much