$2500 Hemi Budget Build Part 1!
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2021
- In this video, I give you my opinion on what a $2500 Hemi build would look like. With that budget, you are pretty limited in what you can do so use your money wisely and gear it toward what you want out of the car.
Here is the list of current modifications:
Drag Pack:
17” Race Star Skinnies up front (Hossier 27.5/4.5/17)
17” Race Stars in the rear (M/T ET Street Rs 305/45/17)
Street Set Up:
Front: 20x9.5 Demon Replicas with Atturo AZ 800 (275/40/20)
Rear: 20x10.5 Demon Replicas with Atturo AZ 850 (315/30/20)
D-1X Procharger
Procharger upgraded Race Intercooler
Fore Dual Pump Level 2 Fuel System (to run E85)
Driveshaft Shop one piece driveshaft
ID 1050X Injectors (to run E85)
HHP/BES Stage 3 Heads
1320 Scat Pack Rear Springs
BMR Upper Trailing Arms
BMR Lower Control Arms
Hellcat Axles
3.09 Limited Slip Differential
6.4L/392 Ported Intake Manifold
Hellcat Throttle Body
Dodge Scat Pack Stage 2 Cam (Comp Cam 270 and without Stage 2 PCM)
Non MDS Lifters
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Kooks Green High Flow Catted mid pipe
Borla ATAK catback exhaust
160 Degree thermostat
Circle D 3800 stall torque converter
EFI Specialties and Performance E85 tuned
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My channel is dedicated to the Challenger / Charger R/T (RT) 5.7 liter HEMI, though we touch on the 6.4 (392, Scat Pack, and Daytona) and Hellcat (both base and Redeye trims), continually adding modifications to get the most out of it. I currently own a cammed Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi. I try to bring content that is not only informative but hopefully entertaining. I do not want others making the same mistakes I did and hopefully save you some money in the end. I am dedicated to taking my 5.7 liter Hemi in its stock form as fast as it will possibly allow me. My current list of modifications is extensive but there is plenty more to come. If you are modifying your 5.7 Hemi, this is the channel to watch. I provide unbiased, I have no ties to any business or sponsors, opinion on options that I have purchased or have done extensive research on. Sit back, relax and enjoy the video.
I think my car is a great example of a budget build. Only got $8k in it total and 600whp. Maggie $5360, 392 cam+springs+pushrods $370. Stainless Power long tubes $960. Snow meth stage 1 $300. Hptuner credits $100, my brother already had the MPVI2 and I tuned myself so no tuning costs. Bravados and mickeys used like new condition $600. Oh and $500 billet single pump fuel setup.
Have u raced any 5.0s
That's a pretty good build and on the cheap! This is the kind of comments I was looking for. Give the community ideas on going low budget if they want/need to! Appreciate you sharing! 💪💪💪
@@just_a5.7 I have, had a really good race against another stick boosted s550 5.0 at racemotive. I got him by half a car and he got me by 1mph
@@732Mopars a boosted 5.0? And how do you do against 10 speeds
@@just_a5.7 I haven't raced any 10 speed 5.0s only a 10 speed Camaro but it wasn't really a race, I think he was stock or near stock so it wasn't even close
Great list. For performance mods you cant do much without an unlocked PCM it definitely has to be #1. #2 Cam and #3 either 3.09 or 3.70 gears (if your car came with the open 2.62 diff). Going deeper into your list the SRT headers are cheap used but may not bolt to your stock cats (they didn’t on my 18 Charger) so you might have to find some cats if you want clean emissions or be real handy with a welder. Trinity T2 allows you to program up to 20-25% pedal boost so you might be able to skip the pedal booster and spend the money elsewhere. I was waiting for you to say you could just spray a 100 shot of NO2 when you hit the track 😉.
That's a great list. I thought about gears but the recently went sky high in price. The 3.09 LSD was $700 when I got mine but the best I've seen recently is a little over $1k. The pedal boost with the T2 is true but no where near using a real throttle booster but good point in using it elsewhere. 💪💪💪
Great list, this will be of great help to me. Thank you.
Glad to be of some help. That's why I do this! 💪
Great and informative vid on beginners mods man 👍 Just wanted to mention you could save the $300 on a throttle response module and adjust the parameters in the trinity 2 & put that towards a 392 manifold or some used SRT exhaust manifolds!
Thanks brother! I don't agree with adjusting via the T2. I had my tuner turn it up as far as he could and the Sprint Booster still made it much quicker. I think there is only so much they can do with tuning for throttle response (HP Tuners you may be able to get more). 💪💪💪
Don, good topic for discussion. Their are many variables to consider depending what you want to achieve with the car. Bolt ons including cam installation is what most people think about first, more HP and torque output. This sounds great but if you have a automatic with its open rear differential, at this time you are wasting your money. Installing a LSD differential will at least allow both rear wheels to be powered and now you will need wider wheels and tires to get any additional HP and torque to the ground. If you want to do it right the car will have to be modified from back to front. A unlocked PCM and tuner is a definite to gain some additional performance from the engine. These items will definitely spend your $2500 budget. This is just the start because from here one modification will most likely require another modification to keep things compatible. Your not just building a engine, your building a car where all the mods have to work together so nothing breaks.
This is how you might start on a automatic car but on a standard shift car you already have a LSD rear so maybe , lets say it is a 5.7, replacing the horrible exhaust manifold with a type of header would be the way to go. If the engine can't breathe other mods to increase engine performance become restricted. Lots to consider if you want to do it right.
Thanks brother! This is the exact discussion I wanted to see! 💪💪💪
6.4 cam, mopar high performance springs, exhaust and tune. She runs pretty good!
Sounds like a great set up! Thanks for sharing! 💪💪💪
how are the 392 cams holding up on the rt? ive heard that it can cause some issues
Good stuff Modern Red 👍
Insightful and helpful for those a bit new to the game and starting projects of their own. Its a fun rabbit hole, that can turn very expensive, very quickly lol. Took me 5 years to build out my Ram R/T, now pushing ~500hp. Very fun to drive, and still ain't done yet!
Me personally for anybody looking for another opinion, for $2500, let your hemi breathe by getting yourself a fender- pull CAI, throttle body, 6.4 manifold, and a 93 octane tune. These alone will net you some respectable gains over stock. If still a few bucks leftover, throw in some high-flow 🐈's and muffler. More air in, faster air out, more ponies for you 🤘👊💪
Thanks brother! I appreciate the support! 💪
Great series! I've started on my RT Shaker with a few small maintenance/mods. Mid muffler delete, Pedal Commander, new NGK Iridium... Saving for a Pro Charger first, then each year after want headers and Cam. One mod at a time for me... Would rather get everything at once because of Dyno tuning, but...lol
Getting a little ahead of me with the ProCharger 😂 You have a great plan and that is key to getting it done right! 💪💪💪
@@ModernRedHemi ill stroke the motor then procharge it better to safe then sorry
Yoo! This is the BMW suv from today, just stopping by to say hi and your channel is awesome.
Great meeting you as well! Thanks for checking in on the channel! 💪💪💪
@@ModernRedHemi no problem, And awesome hell cat! (or challenger, I'm not familiar with dodges 😅)
@@dawnbex700 It's a 5.7 R/T... might get a Hellcat one day.
@@ModernRedHemi Ohhhh, but still cool man keep up the good work
Having $2,500 to work with is a little tough especially if tires make up part of the budget. If the cost of wheels and tires are included in the budget, all it would be is a nitrous kit and a tune. Without the cost of wheels and tires included, it all depends on what how you would use the car. If I plan on taking it to the dragstrip, it would be a 100 shot of nitrous, limited slip differential, and a tune. If the car has a NAG1 transmission, 3.70 gears because the tall 1st gear from the factory makes it kind of a slug out of the hole. If the car has the 8 speed 3.09 gears would be the choice. If I don't plan on taking the car to the dragstrip, it would be a 6.4 cam, long tubes, and a tune. Perhaps going on a Ramen noodles diet and increasing the budget might be the way to go.
Awesome input! This is the conversation that I hoped would happen. Giving people options/opinions from others in the community! Thanks for sharing! 💪💪💪
Awesome video series, I would say Trinity with the PCM swap, shorty headers, cam kit and if you have the 8spd, gears
That's a pretty good list as well. I think you would have to get the used headers and gears to stay under $2500. 💪💪💪
I tried to go as cheap as possible and got pretty good results 6.4 cam, SRT manifolds/downpipes/ little exhaust porting on heads, I3 johan tune, cheapest 3” exhaust off eBay and won a $300 bid on a zex kit for an older charger about $2500 total with little drama
That sounds like an awesome little set up, especially getting it all for under $2500! 💪💪💪
Next is the 3.07 diff I got for $100, to replace current 2.65 and after that I’m gonna have to spend some $$$ on a good converter
Just found u vlog luv it I have a 22 dodge Daytona and am a super steeler fan
Awesome! Glad you found the channel!💪 Steeler Nation!
Thanks for the video. Next vid should refine the budgets on tuning to include the requirements for tuning 2015+ needs either a HPT security by-pass cable or Tazer double by-pass cable even if the PCM is unlocked. I also know someone you do work with...
This is a good point. I tried to keep it general but the later models do have some additional costs due to Dodge trying to lock things down. 😉
Get an HP Tuner and you can have your car tuned by one of there tuners. Look at air/fuel adjustment charts. It's an excellent tool.
HP Tuners is a great option as well! 💪💪💪
I’d go, hellcat airbox, with long tubes(catless mids), mid muffler delete and a custom tune with the diablo T2
That is a great list! Think you would have to go used for the LTs and Catless Mids to get under $2500. 💪💪💪
How do you run the throttle booster with the Trinity 2? Don’t they both plug into your OBD2 I run my Trinity 2 all the time for my gauges and datalog
I think it depends upon the product. I used to use Sprint Booster which plugged directly into your gas pedal an not the ODB2 port. 💪💪💪
What did the 2500 do on power both gains? I have one and this left me thinking. I have the reg hemi 2015 RT and bone stock because i think i might save and grab somerhing way faster to start since its my first dodge but people keep telling me the 5.7 has some popular builds
Age old question here. Build a fast car or buy a fast car. Can't go wrong either way. All comes down to your preference. Building a 5.7 is not for the feint of heart. By no means am I steering your one way or the other, just making sure you know what you are getting into building a 5.7. There is a lot to it and considerable down time (build time and waiting for parts) and depending on your goal, it can get expensive. Getting a Scat Pack or Hellcat is a much easier route but not necessarily cheaper, but have a warranty. Keep in mind, if you build, any warranty you purchased, even the long term ones, will not honor claims if you modify your car.
Hey modern red hemi I have the t2 an im having trouble get the original tcm file.any recommendation.?
You can check the forums (LX Forum, Challenger/Charger Forum, etc.) If those don't have it, try the HP Tuners forums for Hemi's. They may have it. 😉
Hey I don't mean to ask a stupid question but if you had the choice between a 2018 rt ta or a 392 ta 2018 for around the same cash which would you buy
Honestly, I'd go for the 392 and get a set of drop ins for around $1700 or so. Once you replace the pistons and rods, the sky is the limit for a 6.4 BGE block. 😉 Don't get me wrong, I love the 5.7 but they do take quite a bit more cash to build.
Ok here's my thought on $2500 build parts only. Tune will be need . ( Diablo platinum $370) (392 cam kit $600) ( 6.1 or 6.4 intake manifold $600.) (6.1 or 6.4 exhaust manifolds $400) (unlocked pcm $400)
That's a great list and gives people options to what I suggested. Exactly what I was looking for from the community. Options. 💪💪💪
Going with longtubes and cam next. Just don't know if I'm leaning towards turbo or supercharger for boost.👍👍
Awesome! It's all about where you want your power and torque. In basic terms, turbos up top and positive displacement down low. 💪💪💪
That’s no help 😹 leaning towards supercharger to keep wheels on pavement, just sick of dual turbo passing me
My pcm went bad in my car at 6k miles dodge replaced it wondering if mine has those codes!
I don't think so as your PCM wasn't tuned; it was still stock so it shouldn't. Mike can check for ya though! 😉
How about a 3.09 LSD swap(if someone has a Charger) if you can find one for a decent price? I know the ZF has great gearing but the car does seem to need a little more gear IMHO.
There is a number of options but 3.09s are a bit pricey for a $2500 build. I do agree, the 3.09LSD is the way to go. 😉
Have you heard of any challenger owners with a manual liking or trying the sprint booster? Very little info out there on the sprint booster with a manual. Just not sure if I should spend the money on it or not with my 2018 challenger 5.7L RT.
I have not. Would love to hear yours if you get one! 💪
@@ModernRedHemi ha ok I’ll let you know if I get one. Just scared it will be to touchy when getting going from a stop. Might have to relearn the gas pedal input to clutch release ratio lol let me know if you hear of any manual Challengers try it. I might pick one up soon to give it a try
Boost a Pump $400
Colder Plugs $100
Diablo T2 w PCM Swap $1,000
Nitrous Kit $800
Tune
Should be fun until the juice runs out
Sounds like a ripper! Great budget build!💪
I would probably go 6.4 Manifold($600), Diablo T2($800), then Comp Cam HRT 220/230 ($1100). -Champ from Capitol
Great set up but you'll still need a custom tune for the cam, should run you an extra $300-$400. 💪💪💪 Thanks for supporting the channel! Great meeting up with you as well!
What do you think about the nsr 216/222 cam?
I would hit up Widebody Mopar Mike on IG. He might have a more informed opinion than me. 😉
Damn, I guess I’m second!
Second is the first loser... Movie quote... Hint: Ricky Bobby 😂
I would like some chop in my exhaust what cam should I get?
Check into the Greene Racing (Facebook) or Modern Muscle Extreme (on the Internet) thump cams. 😉
id go with the 3.90 gear swap for the 8 speed if u wanna make the car fun and a tuner with custom tune would be about 2500
That's not a bad option at all! 💪💪💪
What year does that start with the code in the pcm?
2015 and newer need to be unlocked. 2014 and older do not. Hopefully that's what you are asking. 😉
Are you talking 5.7 exclusively, or same for 6.4?
Great question. For this one, I think this would work for both. As I get deeper into the series I'll have to delineate where I would diverge between the 5.7 and the 6.4. This is just my opinion, there are a lot of others in the comments below (a lot of them are great set ups). 💪💪💪
Good meeting you tonight at Capitol. (I was the Blue Q50) The R/T car is moving good!
Great meeting you as well! Had a great time just chatting about all of the cars out there tonight. Thanks brother, she sure is a ripper! 💪💪💪
You should race a red sport q60 so u can smoke it with the pro charged hemi!
Wouldn't be much of a race Jet Set. That hemi moves out. I need a tune and E85 before it would be a race.
@Modern Red Hemi…when you say PCM swap do you mean, buy an unlocked PCM or send the factory one out to be unlocked..I think both options are available on MMX, we have some tough laws out here in Cali
If you can afford buying a spare PCM then there is nothing wrong with that. Having a spare is a good idea in the event something goes wrong. In the video, I am talking about sending your stock PCM to be unlocked. Yes, the car will be down during this time but it is the cheaper option. 💪💪💪
@@ModernRedHemi okay thanks for the clarification…and keep up the good content on turning these Hemi’s into beast…preciate you buddy
I would have went pcm intake manifold and throttle body from the 6.4 rear diff and tune.
That's a solid set up as well. 💪
$2500
$700 LTH
$700 392 intake
$600 tune
$500 3.06 diff
limited but youd have LSD and 360-380ish HP
i talk about budget builds all the time with my peers im excited for this series
That's a great list! I didn't include the intake because of the added cost of either the tazer or electronics to take advantage of the long/short runners but do love your list. Those prices are definitely used. 💪💪💪
Why get the roar pedal if you're going to get a custom tune? You can just have the tuner go 1:1 on the throttle!
Going to be honest, I had mine do that and the Sprint Booster still made quite a difference. Maybe they can only go so far with Diablo and can go further on HP Tuners. Thanks for sharing! 💪💪💪
Does a 2013 need to unlock pcm? Anyone know?
Pretty sure you do not. It's 2014 and newer it's required.
When you say pcm swap, what does that mean?
For 2015 and later, you have to have your PCM unlocked. So you send your PCM to whomever you want to unlock it and they send either yours back or swap it out for a new one. 😉
Okay. Thank you. That makes more sense.
Where do you get a pcm to do a pcm swap.
The main two places is either Diablosport or HP Tuners. 😉
Surprised a limited slip wasn’t in there. Some of the newer RT don’t have one unless there manuals. Great list!
Good point! I got mine for about $780 but rn it’s about $900+ and doesn’t gain HP necessarily but does put the power to the ground better or more consistent than an open diff, at least that’s my understanding.
I did think about gears but with the limited budget didn't include them but this does make for great conversation on what is really the best for $2500. I didn't include wheels and tires as they are expensive and take up a lot of the budget. $5k coming soon! Thanks for the input! Exactly what I was looking for! 💪💪💪
Yeah wheels an tires are a easy 2k all day long. I got a set of hell cat wheels an had them painted at Detroit wheel. My daily setup was 2600 with nittos. My drag pack was around 2000 cause the price of wheels jumped up
Why not go Holley instead of that Diablo T2
Holley now owns Diablo but the Holley specific series wouldn't fit in this budget; unless they came out with something under $1000 recently that I don't know of. 😉
@@ModernRedHemi I have one on the trans am easy to use . I have this 2018 5.7 challenger now I’m trynna do what you doing lol but I’m going hellcat supercharger route I find it the cheapest way . I know there’s more to make this supercharger work on the 5.7 but little by little I’ll get everything I need . Will see how long this stock bottom end can hold boost for. I feel like the 5.7 hemi is just like the 5.3 LS they love boost
First first first !
Good job buddy! 💪💪💪
@@ModernRedHemi great info like always. Here my build so far $1500 AAD performance drag pack rear suspension $500 for install I had a bent factory control arm because of me wheel hopping now its fix now more wheel hopping. Drag pack rims forgestar f14 17x10 & 5x18 about $1300 drag radials and front runners $1200. Total $4500 but everything was new my stock tuned 5.7 ran 12.91 last week in 2600+ DA I have few other things I'm doing to it to see how fast I can get before I do a tune and performance mods. I hope to be at hemi shoot in Maryland may be I will see you there. By the way go browns woof woof woof all in good fun mopar borther😁
If I could get 500 out of it I think I’ll be cool or at least hope that’d satisfy me 😅
The only way to get 500hp out of a 5.7 is going with boost and that's way out of this budget range. It's nearly impossible to get 500hp out of a 5.7 naturally aspirated. 😉
@@ModernRedHemiwhat’s the max HP you could get out of a 5.7 without boost?
@@tylerhawkins888 my guess… 420-430 to the wheels. Just not much more you can get NA.
2:44 summary of the performance increase 😂😂but hey it’s better then nothing
For sure! 😂
The Best 2500 dollar list:
tuner and tune ( you can adjust throttle response with the tune.
No Springs required Camshaft
Ebay Turbo Kit
Hmmm.... interesting.... How much is the fabrication going to cost with that turbo? If you can do it yourself I think you're in there but if you have to get a shop to do it then I think you're over the $2500. 😉
Here’s what I’m doing to my 2021 Challenger R/T when it comes in: window tint, quarter window decals (American flag), reflector blackout, 95mm throttle body, oil separator, shorty headers, widow maker neighbor hater mufflers, resonator delete, 160 degree thermostat, grille badge overlays, seat belt cushion, lowering springs, sto n sho license bracket, and no need for a cai, it’s a Shaker package car. Deleted rear seats from the factory.
That will be one clean, mean, machine! 💪💪💪
Just some information for you. On a stock 5.7 installing a throttle body of that size is a waste of money. To get any real benefit from that size throttle body you would have to go with forced induction ( supercharger ) and porting of the intake manifold.
@@apg1383 it’s only good for forced induction? I bought my car and it already had a 95 mm on it, does it hurt it at all?
@@prestonhelmick566 It will not diminish the performance of your car but your performance gain is negligible on a stock 5.7. I have a procharged 5.7 with a 84mm ported throttle body putting 609 HP to the rear wheels
First mod I would do is long tube headers and exhaust then the Diablo and your broke lol
I knew that would be an issue with this small of a budget; doesn't go real far. 😉
I’m interested in what you were talking about but it took you three minutes of saying 2500 to tell me I need a tune advice for the future get to the point brother
Just to let you know, I don't script my videos. It's usually off the top of my head. I do tend to repeat myself and I am working on that. 😉Appreciate the constructive criticism and like I said, I am working on it.
You definitely know how to waste money.. so you've learned the hard way 🤣
2500 you cant scrape the surface
😂😂😂 I think the future budget builds will be easier and think we will come to where we are all pretty much on the same page. 😉
Did you completely forget the automatics come with an open differential? You said this was $2500 parts only with no future upgrades intended and the first suggestion is going with a Trinity 2 for future upgrades? If the budget is only $2500 and the owner is driving an automatic the first commons sense thing to do is get rear traction by replacing the open differential with a Limited Slip and that's $1K right there. Your cam suggestion is a joke if you have not increased air flow in and out of the engine, you've lost touch with reality!
I have to disagree with you here, though I do like the 3.09 LSD so don't get me wrong. For only $2500 and not modifying any further, the 3.09 gears really don't do anything to make the car more enjoyable and powerful for that amount of cash. The tune, cam, and throttle response gizmo really make the car seem faster and more enjoyable experience. Now, with a larger budget and making this more of a street/drag car, the 3.09 LSD will definitely be in there. 💪💪💪
Jokes on you I'm a dodge tech 🤪 😂
😂😂😂
>No future mods
>justification for spending MORE MONEY on very first mod is ... FUTURE MODS
come on man
That's the next series. Starting with $2500 and building up to $20K. 💪💪💪
I think you needed a script
I try not to script it out as it sounds less genuine than coming off the cuff. I will look into scripts in the future. 😉
Bro get to the point
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll take that into account in future videos.😉
sloths…
😂😂😂
Pedal commander bruh wth. Your lack of ability to be efficient with time tells me I don’t want your opinion
You're opinion is your own and mine is mine. Having a difference of opinion is life. 😉