Recycled 5.7L Hemi Budget Build Stage 2 and 3 - Horsepower S15, E3
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- On this episode of Horsepower, the team brings back its recycled 5.7 Hemi to discover how much power it can make, first with a Camshaft upgrade. Then, with another cam upgrade and a high-performance intake manifold. Plus, a trip to a tractor pull track for a unique test of a handheld power programmer.
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I remember when BES brought a Gen 3 HEMI to the Engine Masters Competition and made 700 hp with factory block and heads.
Sooooo the factory heads flow better than the expensive aftermarket ones until the most useless portion of the powerband... cool 👌🏼.....
Better money would have been spent using 6.1 srt8 heads, then test them ported. With the bigger bump stick.
Way to miss the obvious, that chart isn't flow and RPM it's flow and lift, it has NOTHING to do with RPM.
factory heads were matched with the factory cam to provide low end torque(where the motor will spend most of its life). They put in the factory cam, so combined with factory heads, would produce the same amount of power/torque in the same curve as the factory ECU would, and all they did was change the intake, which did not improve anything.
Well all I got is for 1/6 of the price I can make 1/2 the power. At this point are 30 horse power really noticeable?
@@ralladoastalamuerte since you think 30hp isn’t noticeable, then isnt it all a waste unless you go for the 60 ? 😂
Thank you PowerNation for sharing such great automotive content on RUclips instead of hiding it behind a paywall like other sites!
you on welfare too???? or are you just a cheapskate????? O.o
The episodes they have on here are old. If you want to see the new stuff, you have to pay... just like other sites!
U can't afford $5 a month?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@charlesangell_bulmtl are you asking? Your statement was poorly composed,lack of education I suppose but if you read the comments, you'll cleary see that yes,that's more or less what we're saying. No one mentioned "bling" but if $5 is "bling" to you, then maybe you should seek employment.
@@FreddyFunderbunz When you consider the production costs associated with the content the "other" channels have and how regularly they're putting out content you really can't expect to make it on RUclips ad revenue alone. I'm with you on MTOD, it's cheaper than Netflix and more on there that I actually want to watch anyway. I was skeptical at first but got my first year for $24.95 and don't remember what I'm paying now but it's not expensive and the content is worth it.
That wing on the charger. ...good lord lol.
More down force for pulling that sled🤣😂
@@billknight5578 🤣🤣🤣👍
Too much TV and movies makes people want to rice the hell out of anything I guess. I've seen some ugly ass LEDs and tire markers on domestics too...
sasuke2483692 but the wing on your 85hp civic with a fart can is probably cool as fuck to you....
Such a farm animal eh?
I love those 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 hemi. And the way they start up too.
No love for 6.2😪?
Fucks the trucks transmission up.. "back to the dealer to be sold to some sucker"
AM 😂😂😂
Thoughts exactly
i cant stop laughing about this
Another crazy thing is, The people that believe that the programmer made them pull the sled farther. lol. The first time they pulled the sled the truck and car did not run out of horsepower, they ran out of ass! (Not enough weight or tires) So adding a little more horsepower did nothing.
@@calvinh.8882 You dont know much about pulling.. The more power you have at the beginning of the pull means more wheel speed. Seemed the truck had more wheel speed after the programmer. Not that I would ever use one on my truck. But calling out something just cause I dont like it dont make it correct. The programmer works.. just not smart in my opinion to run one and risk issues with my factory stock vehicle.
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I have a 5.7 Hemi in my Ram 1500. Not a bad engine but not something I would ever put alot of money into for internal engine parts. Love the fact that you guys did it though. There's only so many times we can watch an LS build.
I love watching this series, alot of tips of making the engines more reliable than stock
Obviously a different definition of the word "budget". Like to see them do this pulling parts from the wreckers!!
for sure. i think about that every time they do a 'budget build'
Most expensive 60 HP ever.
Forreal tho huh!
Build a alum headed small block stroker... cheaper and more HP/Tq
Not even close. Some guys pay over a grand for an LS cam swap(because they can't turn wrenches), and gain less.
Guys don’t get your hopes up yet. 2012 Hemi just made an 98hp on just a cam swap. My stock numbers were 375hp on a dyno to the wheels and with a 274 comp can I am now making 473hp at the wheels on a mild tune.
@@95ltwon lol. Some guys can fuck up anything, even an LS cam swap. If you don't know how to pick a cam, how to tune, or how to wrench you can't expect good results. These guys SHOULD know what they are doing but obviously don't.
I just love watching these engine rebuilds
Good morning to me, love waking up to a new upload!!
Best power nation duo, have a 5.7 I went to get working on by Christmas
I am a lot happier seeing you guys working on the Sheriff's Charger to keep it going and upgrade it!
I may have expected alittle more from the stage 2 part of the hemi build but its not bad at all. Loving the content guys keep up the great work at PowerNation 😉
I can pull my boat with my yacht. I never knew that!
i wish i had 1/3 of the new parts, tools and resources these guys have.
Save some fucking money and you can.
i absolutely love the hippie clips.
Hello from Toronto :)
That's awesome you guys did that for the Sheriff's office......two thumbs up.
I would love to see dyno results of the larger cam with the stock heads. I would expect the peak power to be identical to the aftermarket heads.
Considering stock eagle heads flow 330, thats nothing to sneeze at.
Pretty cool! Pretty interesting to see hydraulic roller lifters come from the factory
Nice work!
Side note: always fun to see how far the steam engines pull.... not a lot of hp, mountains of torque
Back in the day. And i still have it. You could use the bar that held the spare tire would screw right int the cam and we would pull out the cam with that
Love your channel!! Great work thanks. I think that hemi intake, whilst very nice is too much for the motor & the big plenum volume & short runners is hurting airspeed. So you really need more compression & higher rpm or go to a X shaped single carb style one like that afr two piece plastic one you featured recently.
Just s thought 💭
Eagle 5.7 heads flow 330 right out of the sand. Little bit of burr work, especially on the exhaust side and you have 500+ SBE capability @ .600" lift stock valves with a 7 degree VVT sweep to maintain low end power.
I love these series. I can't wait for the next one.
"It's gotta find gotta find itself." I love it 😅
I almost had a seizure from thag
I had no idea this was all done in Tennessee. Crazy.
Man did anyone else notice the clatter it made? Sounded like no oil pressure! I still respect the HEMI to me it started the newer era horsepower wars and having owned a 06 and 11 HEMI 5.7 engines they're great engines. I think the 06 felt a bit more street friendly. I might sound crazy but the 06 had a more aggressive start whereas the 11 sounded lazy didn't the lower rpm' torque and bad fuel economy. For being down 45hp the 06 had way more street grunt. The 11's power came in strong at about 4k rpm up to about 6k rpm. The 06's throttle response and trans downshifts worked way better as well. But the newer 8sp auto's really liven up the later models so if you're thinking of getting one get the later 8sp's with the 3.92 rear in the trucks you won't go wrong.
More trucks sled pull than you think. I've seen classes of 50 trucks or more many times here in Missouri
That Deputy must have a cushy job. When I used to work on city cop cars the front brakes lasted about 12,000 miles.
Great video
I don't always lower myself for budget built engines but when i do i always use 3 different cams and change the heads and other components for the minor cost of thousands of extra dollars but its on a budget still because i get the money off the money tree in the back yard.
in this next step we replace the block with an aluminum billet custom machined one with a 6 inch bore and a 12 inch stroke .. then we add titanium heads and a 671 blower with three 300 shots of nitrous... but the water pump bolts stay the same unfortunately they aren't used on this engine but we will be using them to bolt down the tachometer on the dash
I like how joe is acting like he wasn’t one of those hippies lol
Bought a used Magnuson supecharger for $650, easiest 150 bolt on horsepower you will find.
MrMurph111 $650? Damn that’s super cheap. The cheapest I’ve seen them is $3500
jasonneal ....Yep, I couldn’t believe it myself. I was outta the house five minutes after seeing the add to go get it. It’s the polished version with fuel rail, throttle body and 39lb injectors. Sometimes you just get lucky.
MrMurph111 Yo what did u have to change on your 5.7 to run it? And did u have to do any other crazy upgrades like fuel injectors/ fuel system and tranny? Also what year? I wanna supercharge my 05 ram but don’t wanna blow it lol
TC14KID Well technically the supercharger is for a Ford 3v engine which I have but if you keep things basic with how it’s designed you shouldn’t need to do any internal engine mods....trans you might want to do a shift kit or other small part upgrades. Bigger injectors are recommended, usually 39lb for starters. Fuel pump upgrade is a must and tuning on your stock computer. This setup from magnuson is designed to give you 135-150 rwhp over stock. There is a great website called departmentofboost.com that has a lot of basic info on supercharger power numbers and expected cost at each desired level. Hope this helps.
I see all the bad comments and I mostly agree. Heads are not worth the 30HP however this 345CID is already making 400HP stock. Thats over 1HP per CI. Most hot rod motor builders are way happy when they get to 1HP per CI so to me that shows that the 5.7 is pretty much built and tuned to make as much as it can from the factory. Heads can only suck the air being demanded in other words they could have put on heads 5 times as big and it still would do anymore because the displacement is only pulling so much CFM however I would have like to seen a test where they plopped on a roots blower and run that against the stock heads vs the news ones. I bet the numbers would be way different and way bigger with the newer heads
If or when I have the tools, and some I would probably make a build like that to hoist down into a 70's or newer muscle car, or truck!!! Maybe with the supercharger plate a super charger and air intake scoop in a 1974 Hemi cuda!!!
Hey guys I love what you guys did. But just out of curiosity can you guys do a 274 comp cam sway or even a stage 3 cam from Texas speed and performance.
I'd like to see more info on the intake manifold and possible tops available. Not much cam for what appears to be a short runner intake manifold.
You gus should dyno the 5.7l with stock parts. Like oem 5.7l manifold & with the 6.4l version & long tubes, also the 5.7l intake vs the 6.4l intake & efi
Back to the dealership after smoking the trans lol. Truck still had a window sticker in it.
How can you not like this show
The gen 3 hemi in my 09 challenger went into limp mode while the wife was driving it... Got it tore open and found metal on the MDS solenoids under the intake... The oil didnt look to bad however... After talking to Wichita Dyno and a few other places, the general consensus was that the engine was cooked and needs replaced... Can I just send my car to yall and have you make my challenger great again? I have burnouts to do at the Freedom Factory...
Just with the first cam upgrade its actually 86hp more with just a cam over stock(345hp) with the tri-power cam.
Chrysler updated the head design in 2009. I would be curious to see how the same setup would do with the updated head. Probably a far cheaper route than porting.
Price on the heads wasn't worth the miniscule gains!
I Want to see 03-08 345 hemi built with factory eagle 09-up 67cc. cylinder heads to know what is required for the swap
the issue was probably a poor choice in cam, hemi heads love high rpm, and really start breathing over 4.5k. Thats the reason street hemis kinda suck ass compared to ls motors. He probably could have made the same (if not more) power with the stock heads.
@@cnp-auto-1445 I agree.
It wasn't the heads fault, just not enough cam/engine to need them. Stock heads still more than enough.
I think that's why they didn't give TQ/HP peak rpm's or overlay the curves: Because they had to spin the last combo higher to get a HP gain.
Indy Rock yes, cam fell off before it hit the ideal flow. They either needed a bigger inch engine or a higher rpm engine.
Is that self-tuner something that can be added to any vehicle to effectively eliminate trips to the dyno to get a tuneup?
The head flow chart showing stock having significantly more flow in lower lifts, where the cam spends most of its time open. Not buying their port job lol
I'm used to 2 valve Ford Modular engines which flow around 190 CFM stock so I saw 300 out of a stock Hemi head and went "yup, no need to mess with that!"
@@406Steven 190cfm @28in is rough bruh that's hard to get around lol. My normal goal is usually around 400cfm on most projects
@@pw383426 Yeah, that's why a stock 2V GT makes 260 HP and I believe the Police Interceptor Crown Vics made a little less than that. The Coyote was when Ford finally realized that they needed to put heads on an engine that actually flow (the Coyote is basically a poked and stroked 4.6 with some trick heads). Going back through history they've never been good at cylinder heads, in the 60s and 70s the Boss and Cleveland engines were the only ones that could ever breathe right. Even the big block engines were horribly choked. At 400 CFM I'd guess you're running a big cam and/or boost to take advantage of that much flow? For a budget engine swap I think the 5.7 Hemi is a bit of a hidden gem, my biggest issue is the parts interchangeability still isn't as good as a GM engine as much as I'm tired of seeing those swapped into everything.
@@406Steven I personally think some old D0VE heads from a BBF can be worked to flow 280ish from past projects I've had. And you can go up CI to a 514 or 545CI pretty easy too. I def want to give a 5.7 HEMI a run as well! Most of my experience is from small block mopars so would love to know the real differences in ownership
No wonder why LS's are so popular, regardless of budget
Trevor Letkeman exactly
amen
@@noidontthinksolol Cost per horsepower... Buy a 5.7 hemi and do what they did, then buy a similar size LS and do a cam swap and nothing else, and you will have 100 more HP all day with an LS. For the amount of money and time they laid into this Hemi, its actually a little embarrassing. Hemi's do not react as well to cam timing like an LS. Bone stock this 6.0 LY6 which can be had for $1,000 all day puts out almost as much as this 'final' product, and adds another 71 hp with a cam swap. www.hotrod.com/articles/new-cam-adds-71-hp-stock-6-0l-ls-no-low-end-loss/
@@noidontthinksololGrasping at straws man.....there is an LS 6.0 intake test where the LS3 EFI vs single and dual planes and carb lose maybe 10HP at the top and dual plane gains at the bottom with a carb....so....even with the efi the Hemi is still nowhere near as good as an LS with signifitcantly less money invested. The HEMI Gaining 30HP from a cam AND head swap for $1800 is not good, especially given how low the baseline was...... Are you going to argue about the humidity and barometric pressure next? Hemis are great, but my point still stands, dollar for dollar you cannot beat an LS based engine.
@@noidontthinksolol I would put a 6.0 LY6 vs a 6.1 anyday man....you drive on the wrong side of the road anyway, can't take anything you say seriously ;
Please make a stage 3 for the 5.7. Possibly show how to install a supercharger.
My 03 1500 5.7 has performance exhausts, K&N, hypertech programmer. We all know the old 5.7 makes 345 stock. K&N air intake gives... eh 15hp maybe 20hp. I like it on the truck it suits it. Hypertech programmer you can set your RPM settings, power, fuel. Trucks been on a 93 gas tune for a long time it’s probably making 390hp 395hp I’m liking where it’s at a lot. The newer 5.7s make that power stock but thing is mine feels like much much more, when you want the power it’s there the truck will instantly downshift and pull its fantastic. Maxed out on the power system I’m guessing it’ll do a 415hp. It’s been a while since I touched it. I like what it’s on now so I kept it and drove the truck
Dyno the truck!! I heard eagle.heads are the way to go. I have a 16 rt & i wamt more hp haha
@@oswaldocastillo6305 everything been done already and it has been on a DYNO 3 times to see how much horsepower it has
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If I do the mds delete plugs on my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7 liter Hemi and just leave the mds solenoids plugged in but not in the engine but some place under hood will the mds disengage and the warning lights stay off???? Maybe if I set them in a plastic coffee canisters sealed with some oil in it!
I'd be curious to see what a good old conventional carb like a Holley 850 double pumper would do in place of that fuel injection system.
Wouldn't do as good. Just look at the horsepower today's cars are getting with EFI vs old engines with larger displacements and carbs. No comparison and in this case the HP wasn't limited by the fuel delivery
Proper port injection, ITBs and a proper ECU would leave both of those in the weeds
@@sidewaysdanny hahaha.
Well I know on LS engines a carb swap with a tall tunner intake yield some pretty good gains. Problem is most efi intakes don't give you a straight shot into the port unlike carb intakes like the victor jr. I know one thing those patriot heads are garbage, be better off doing a mild port on the stocks and unshrouding the valves a little if you could. I think that would yield better returns.
It'd do about the same for max horsepower (because that's basically about how much air/fuel you can pump) but it would lose out in power under the curve. Fuel injection can adjust A/F ratio at any point in the range, for any temperature. Carbs are limited in that regard.
I like to refer to the 5.7 hemi as the cam killer
there was a lot of crap on that camshaft when it was pulled out considering its only been run on the dyno a few times.... did you drop that block in the shaker thingy tub thing? probably should have done that since you own it now.
My 5.7 Hemi at startup runs rite to 2k rpm then slowly drops to 8-900 rpm, so i hold throttle to the floor so it doesn't start and i can prime it a bit before it starts that seems to start smoother by doing this.
I wish that they would use other camshafts besides comp all the time for the mopar stuff
It's one of their sponsors what do you expect
I put a 200 shot of nitrous on my 5.7 challenger 6speed and went 12.4 with nos on nittos I had the suspension upgraded with the hop not kit and that worked well but factory best I went was 13.8 not bad for a car that weighs 4300 lbs with me in it
There need to be more hemi builds and swaps
No there don't.
@@SomethingFunny454 better than the LS
@@knuckleberry4720 Not at the track or in a truck. Fix it again Tony.
@@knuckleberry4720 what a joke! If that hemi was better than a LS everyone would be swapping them instead of the LS.
@@SomethingFunny454 lol ever here of a hellcat
Only 29Hp gain with heads and cam over cam alone! That's sad!
Consider it’s the same fuel system and no boost what did you expect ! 100 hp gain. Get real
With stock heads, that's not bad.. lack of head port volume on any motor will limit power
Yeah that's def sad especially at the cost of the parts I would be willing to bet the cost of a supercharger on stock would be cheaper and make more power. Flow numbers on those ported heads arnt very good over stock
Yeah they pretty much spit out 2 grand and got like 60 horsepower
Sad it is but I guess it just means that the stock heads were a very good flowing head when you don't gain much from aftermarket.
also....delete the MDS system and replace all lifers with regular ones and tune the computer to always have the MDS mose on. this pressurizes the system all the time which helps to lube the lifters so you don't get lifter and cam failure like some get. you delete the MDS system by removing the solenoids(4 of them) and replacing them with cap blockers. I discovered that by replacing a, 2009 and new 5.7 Hemi oil pump with a hellcats oil pump, it helps with the hemi tick and at idle, it helps to continue to oil the lifters. at idle, the hellcat oil pump add about another 28 PSI and at cruise, adds another 38 PSI of oil pressure. and the hellcat oil pump is only 180 bucks. worth the price to help make sure the lifters get continued oil to not cause the lifter and cam failure. (hemi tick)
It was an early 2000s RAM motor. It didn't have MDS to begin with as it came blocked off from the factory. It's also unable to have a hellcat oil pump mounted to it because there is a slight difference in the mounting between early 2000s pre-eagle hemis and the Eagle VVTs. Only 2009+ can use hellcat oil pumps.
We dun did bot this here Ing-Gine off that "Innar-Net".
Holy Sheet...
cam is the best swap for these motors
How much more did it cost for that intake and EFI set up, not to mention the headers.
here we go
I was thinking the EFI was holding it back on the roller/heads upgrade
I happen to have a 5.7 in need of heads. The product links do not work.
I would love to know how to do this stuff to my 5.7 hemi charger r/t road and track pack but I can't fathom of where to begin and what all is required when installing parts wish I had some help or knowledge to help get me there over time
I use Royal Purple as well.
I use it because the oil is purple. That’s why. Lol
Groovy man groovy
Not to sound like a Fanboy here but you can go to a junkyard to get a ls based 4.8 for $500 do a cam swap Decap injectors and make 450hp and you'd still be under $1,000
Yup was thinking the same thing and I'm not a fanboy either. Can't buy what you want if you're like me so you got to go the cheapest bang for the buck. It's the cheapest hp to dollar ratio that I can find....
You projecting it aint that cheap
Love the hippie stuff 😂🤣
The new 392 Hemi makes 485 HP and the new 3rd gen Coyote V8 in the 2018 and 2019 Mustang GT makes 460 HP which is the same as this used built 5.7L Hemi V8 and the new LT1 V8 in the SS Camaro makes 455 HP.
Why would you ever swap on a head that loses that much low lift flow when your only turning 6,000 rpm? Would have had a much better engine with the factory heads.
That's cuz this show is now more about product advertising than actual engine building
I think it needs the 2x quad carb setup for the heads to work right.
I would port and polish the factory head and fix the exhaust bolt issue with the 5.7 and call it a day.
@@jakey20022 Exhaust bolt issue?
@@snek9353 If it's like my truck, the cast iron exhaust manifold warps enough to snap the bolt on the end. I bet headers wouldn't have that problem.
Sounded like one of Jim Butlers sons @ 12:19 that said "I just hope it don't break",
Do the truck pull with an eco boost F-150. Either one will be fine.
A lot of RUclips engine builders here in the comments. The intake they are using is definitely for future boost upgrades and sucks for their EFI throttle body setup. I'm sure they know they are leaving a lot of power on the table so they can save some money for a future supercharger. Also, that engine made 345hp stock. They are now over 100hp over stock which is awesome for a pump gas street 5.7L that started with good power from the factory. Not too bad for about $1,800.
Is the original harness necessary or are harnesses sold that'll allow it to run without a car and all the superfluous sensors ?
I'm asking for research purposes (putting a v8 where a v8 need not be)
This is one giant infomercial.
Did the head cleaning effect the valve stem seals?
hello, so you guys make an excellent presentation, no comments i follow you here in brazil but i would like to know why the assembly is not done so i say less quickly, and when i watch i learn more and more
where do you find those heads? I googled and they don't seem to exist......
I'd be curious what the modman with duel four barrels or the six pack would put out
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There is a reason folks are swapping LS motors into vehicles that first came equipped with this mill.... I'm a Chevy guy but bought a Magnum wagon with a hemi because I needes a low profile hauler. It moved pretty damn good to begin with. Already had better exhaust amd a good CAI when I got it. Figured a would throw a few more tricks at it for fun. Started researching prices. Wholy wow. I can buy parts and pay to have them installed for less than the parts alone for the hemi. Not complaining, I like my wagon, it scoots. But it is staying just the way I bought it and I will save the money for my LS swap Cutlass.
@@jakevalent6180 ironically I did about a year ago maybe two now
i cant find this cam or any cam close to this for my 06 dodge charger R/t 5.7 hemi
Notice how the greenhorn puts the cam in what a Lou Lou
So I was told you can’t do a cam swap with out pulling the heads. And removing the lifters . I have a gen 3 5.7 . I see you did it .
Nice build set up except for that electric water/coolant pump!!!!
You guys used the same springs ?
The wing on that charger is ridiculous.
So, what’s the total investment including motor to stage 3???
"WHELL" gollie! Sure good you "good 'ol boys got yer selves a genuine crash helmet for that truck! UCH UCH!
I want this!
"budget". Right.
Todd Golling they start off budget on stage 1 then the budget gets bigger in stages 2 & 3
@@hamreracing333 but for the price and the resulting hp doesn't make it worth it budget or not.
If you want a hemi it does
This show literally appeals to high school kids in their first year of auto tech... anyone experienced in the field would see what a complete joke this whole thing is
It is if your not poor
Any idea on what transmision can I use.?
Great informative video, but I think the horsepower gain wasn't very impressive for the cost ..additionally the cost tally was missing new bolts, gaskets, oil, water pump setup, efi system, intake and plates ..which I'm sure adds at least another $2k easy. So 60hp for $4k either shows the engine is already squeezed from factory for efficiency (kudos Chrysler engineers) or your selections weren't up to the task. Just saying.....
This show is more a bunch of advertisements for various sponsors. Still fun to watch but they shouldn't be doing "budget" builds. Take that stock hemi, stock intake, stock air box, stock ECU and tune it and you've got a great budget engine swap with no "build" necessary. Remember not so long ago when people were jacked to get 400 HP out of a SBC in their hot rod? This engine will do that stock with a tune.
@@406Steven that's true but it's even cheaper to start out by just buying one of the 6.1 or 6 .4L that start anywhere from 425 to 480 horse. Just today on the FB market place I saw a 2013 300 SRT low mileage 6. 4 with trans for $6500