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.22 LR For Self Defense? Federal Punch VS CCI Stinger
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2021
- Testing out the new Federal Punch defensive ammo for .22 LR in a rifle and a handgun, and comparing it to the old standard of .22 LR self defense ammo the CCI stinger. I am running all through the chronograph, testing in 10% Clear Ballistics with 1/4" Medium Density Fiberboard 2" into the block and doing a 25 yard accuracy test. As mentioned, here is the full test: • .22 LR - Federal Punch...
As mentioned, here is the full test: ruclips.net/video/pplcl8gtlE8/видео.html
awesome as always i did keep 60 grain aguilas in my 9 shot hr922 now i keep my 1917 savage on the desk with ball ammo 11 total been fiddling with it all day it actually works i think but going to test it i still wear my g3 9mm but these two are more for collection then defense either would work
Answering the big questions for us, as usual! Punch from the Bobcat next? ... maybe throw in some Velocitors for comparison?
I've been looking for .22LR Federal Punch ever since they first came out, unsuccessfully. I'm even on all the "notify me when in stock" lists. How did you get ahold of them?
@@rob6850 I have various tests planned with the Bobcat with Punch, Velocitor, stinger, silvertip .22 and whatever else I can get my hands on.
@@GunSam Sounds awesome, I look forward to seeing it.
22lr will surprise you. People don't respect it the way it should be respected.
I think people don't Trust it vs. respect it, because of it inconsistencies as far as ignition and reliability. If it were a center-fire cartridge and was more reliable, more people would Trust it and then comes the respect. Of course no one wants to be shot with a 22. The problem is, is the damn thing going to go off when it needs to or is it going to be loaded consistent, even in this demonstration velocities were all over the place.
Roger that ! I was raised on a farm in the 70's. We used 22 LR and shorts when butchering hogs and cow's. I dropped every hog with one shot except 1- and he only took 2. Mom ran off a would be home invader 1 night with 1 22 round fired through our back door. I've still got the rifle, a Marlin lever action. Mom and dad have always used a 22. Revolver for their house gun ( and dad a 12 gauge shotgun too). Dad's gone now. I've got his Ruger Single Six. Mom still has an H&R 22 I gave to her years ago. My wife uses a 22 H&R and a Glock 9mm. I have several 22's loaded around the house. Just carried a 22 mag yesterday out fishing. Nothing wrong with a 22. For some people, for various reasons, a 22 is the best caliber for them.
Absolutely! President Reagan was shot multiple times with a .22 and most people don't realize this but it was "touch-and-go" for him, the doctors almost lost him. Don't underestimate the .22, or any firearm for that matter.
And for defensive purposes the best firearm is whatever you can hit cosistantly with, even if it's a .22. A 9mm's no good if you can't hit the target. Hey, even an atomic bomb is wasted energy if you miss the target!
It’s a under rated round. You can take down “almost” anything with it.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 Ronald Reagan was hit by ricochet off of
Limousine. James Brady the security detail was killed.
I’m a firm believer in the cci velocitor. High velocity, nice hollow point, and, it’s a a full 40 grain.
It's great out of a rifle, but severely underperforms out of a handgun, because the heavy bullet never gets up to speed in the short barrel.
☝️This is 100% correct. Out of a short barrel, there is not much difference between Velocitors and Mini-Mags. So if you or someone you love is carrying a .22LR, you gotta go with either Stingers or these new Federals. I doubt the person being shot with either one would be able to feel the difference.
@@sheldoniusRex Nope, it performs fine out of a handgun.
It still penetrate 13-16" if using a 2" or 4" barrel, it just won't expand.
@@BB-1990 That's what I've seen, and I prefer the heavier bullet.
Nicely edited, no wasted time between shots and some accurate shooting. Impressed with your set up
Very interesting how the revolver's performance with the PUNCH in the revolver did so well against a rifle. I have PUNCH in .380 & several boxes of 9mm but, I've never seen PUNCH in .22lr. I will definitely try too find some of that. I enjoyed the format & content of this review, very cool Sam!
Thank you Sam. I'm eager to pick up some Federal Punch ammo. Very impressive demo.
I have been waiting for you to do this one .. This is good .. For a number of years i have carried the CCI Stinger from around the mid 70's i remember ..
The past 12-14 years i have switched over to CCI Velocitor which produces a much tighter group and my POI doesn't change by 2" like the Stingers do ..
Water jugs , wet pulp bundles , baffle board box .. The Velocitor is ahead of the game ..
Self protection Yes why would a person not carry a round like that ?
The Federal Punch i still cannot find anywhere so far but i will beyond any doubt buy a few boxes of it when i find it , to me and with 56 years of shooting sports /hunting / personal carry with mainly the .357 mag as my choice for personal carry the Federal Punch could very well be a better option to carry ..As always a good video of valuable information ..well done ..
Its always nice to have options for when a chunky desperado confronts you with larcenous intent. Thanks for the cool tests.
Good shooting out there! Your testing is good stuff and I appreciate unbiased opinions.
Thank you.
Thank you for another informative test. I'm really impressed with your performance of the federal punch. Going to get some.
Great analysis, best channel for any ammo related content. Great job!
Hell yeah. As always, this is gonna be another great vid by Sam. No bullshit. Data, facts, and legit testing.
I used a similar Springfield 22 singleshot back in the ‘60s in northern PA. It was a family gun that I carried everywhere croaking groundhogs.
Nice shooting room. Everyone who enjoys shooting has to have at least 1 22. Just plain fun! 😁👍
I love shooting 22 lr. After shooting shotgun, rifle or 9mm, 22 lr feels like a high powered air gun. 😎
Nice to see you take a few steps back to shoot the 22's vs. the stout calibers. Very well done vid...
A step back? I guess I do not follow
@@GunSam You recently were having some big ol' calibers with buffalo bore ammo. Now you are going to the 22 which most of us started with. The perfect caliber for newbe shooters.
@@celowski6296 I get it now. I was thinking you meant I literally was further away from the ballistics gel than with the big stuff lol
So far, the Federal Punch has been a winner. It's a round that I would buy and carry with confidence. Great job as always!
Where can it be bought?? Been looking for it everywhere!!
@@JoseTorres-qt2br I've seen some .38 special for sale on Gunbroker.
Wow these are exactly the two rounds I’ve been wanting to see compared
Excellent - and appreciated revolver vs rifle tests. I'm sold on the .22l Punch!
Great test ! I’ve been using Federal Punch for 2 years with good results ! Great round !
First time seeing your videos here. I like the test and your interpretation of the results. I subscribed and will be watching more.
Thanks. I actually plan on a retest of the Punch .22 LR very soon. Just picked up a Taurus TX22 to properly test them better with.
Punch looks to have outdone Stingers in consistent velocity from round to round, actually getting published velocity (or better), functioning consistently between a rifle and a pistol. 3gr less mass is rather insignificant, but it seems the bullet shape and powder Federal is using here is much more worthwhile than CCI Stinger when it comes to penetrating, getting consistent velocity.
awesome video Sam. Thanks for doing things that I can't!!!
I barely can myself some days lol
Thanks GS. Great job. Good info.
Would have loved to see these “latest and greatest” 22’s out of the Beretta Bobcat, velocity, function, penetration, expansion, etc…
I was thoroughly impressed when I shot some punch last weekend. Such a gorgeous round.
I recently bought some of this stuff, I have seen nothing but terrific reviews on it.
Great review, well presented; thanks for posting!
Thank you
I like the 22 Velocitors.
The Velocitor is the one you want. Vipers are good too.
Great video Sam. I almost purchased a Barkeep revolver, but passed it. It's an impressive revolver and with these rounds in the cylinders makes it a contender. Excellent shooting!!!🎩♠️☯️
Thanks. I almost did too as I think my magnum cylinder would work on it as all their revolvers have a .224" magnum barrel. But, I didn't. I prefer this as it's more legit. I know it goes against common thought, but I find semi auto .22's better for self defense than revolver .22's. I mean, when you go that low and body shots are not working, you want a few more rounds that shoot easier and faster.
Looking good greening up there!
I used to use stingers in my ruger sr22 years ago but I will have to try the punch if I can find it your old rifle reminds me of my old wards western field rifle single shot bolt action with peep sights cool video
Want to see the Punch and Velocitor from the tiny Italian now!
Aka the Bambino!
I will do it. But, other than the magazine I guess they are now made in the USA
Amen! Read my mind. Love 22LR and my Bobcat. Ty GsRa❤️
Great review. Loved them both. My vote goes for the punch
Thanks!
Just bought that roughrider few weeks ago. Very cool pistol! Fits holster for ruger single six perfect! From Galco. Actualy fits more perfect than the ruger. Like its made for the heritage roughrider.
I have an old nylon 4" revolver uncle mikes that it fit in well like that. More generic and not molded, but serves my purpose as I dont conceal the thing.
Awesome video! I only recently saw the federals and was really curious.
I got that rifle for christmas a long time ago , love that old gun .
Stingers all day
My sister bought a Ruger SR22. I told her I will send her my minimags. They should be good for self defence.
They are, the 40 grain RN is better than the 36 gr hollowpoint. For reliability and performance.
I like the mdf twist. There are so many simple gel tests to watch, that any addition of other materials that mimic bone or other hard substances, is nice to see. I disagree though, that the stinger is bad out of the rifle. I think the penetration with the over .41" expansion is excellent.
One thing that has bothered me about Federal .22 rounds that I use in both my revolver and my pistols is that although the ammunition seems to work fine at the range, the crimp is often loose on the bullet. Remington Golden Bullets are notorious for this with the bullet often able to turn 360 degrees in its casing. I believe that is related to how often those rounds fail to fire, even with a good pin strike.
But with various brands of Federal ammunition, I often see loose bullets that can wiggle back and forth a little bit in their casings when gently twisted. For me, that rules those Federal rounds out as a reliable self defense round since they are obviously not sealed enough to keep out water or moisture when used for pocket-carry. |
For example, in my most reliable Federal Auto Match, I find about one in three bullets will move just a little because of a loose crimp. But it is similar with their other brands. With the Remington Golden bullets, it's just about all of them that are loose. With the CCI Mini-Mags, it's none of them. I load my handguns with Mini-Mags unless I'm just target shooting.
So with this Punch looking so promising for use in a revolver, the question is, "Have you looked at how snug their bullets are in those Punch casings?". If so, what did you find? I might want to try some if they are tight. Thanks!
I have not had one loose bullet in the punch ammo to date or a ftf or any other problem,fed auto match is garbage,remington gb is about the best bulk ammo you can buy,I just got done shooting a 1400 rd bucket of gb loaded in the mid 90s not one failed to fire,the loose bullet your talking about comes from the bullet design it's a heeled bullet,cci mini mags are a premium ammo reflected in the price,my conclusion has been I only by remington gb in bulk ammo its by far the most reliable,I carry fed punch for self defense,cci stingers used to be it but the punch walks all over it in penatration,just a little history on the remington gb ammo it was designed for there nylon 66 in the late 50s early 60s they haven't changed the design or powder or bullet or priming or case since,if you had any ftf it's probably a storage problem
I was particularly disappointed in the Stingers in Lucky Gunner's tests. It'd be interesting to see how the Punch does in your new Beretta in gel with just the denim.
Yes interested in that too
Stingers are overrated! I saw Lucky Gunners review too.
Velocitors win that.
When I bought my Ruger 22lr LCR10 months ago, my gun shop guy recommended the Federal Punch, and it did not disappoint. I carry 8 rounds of the Punch when I have the LCR on my belt. It’s also easy to carry extra rounds of this size without it being too obtrusive. It’s therefore economical to shoot for both practice and self defense.
I first used the Stinger a year after it came out. Back in the mid 70's I've camped in the Black Hills with friends while stationed at Ellsworth AFB. I had a Winchester 190 that I often brought along for extra meat at times, usually rabbit. Once, on a riverbank, I tested the Stinger against the MiniMag. I shot twice into the packed mud there, almost clayish. First was the MiniMag. That round put a 2" diameter hole deep into the mud. Then came the Stinger. That round only went about 2" into the mud, but that was around 6" in diameter. That clay-like mud flew everywhere getting mud on me, my rifle, a friend that was with me and also my rifle.
I understand how the ballistics gel is used to simulate flesh but that mud gave me a lasting impression of the Stinger's potential. My point with the packed mud was that I thought the moisture content in the mud helped to mimic the effects of the Stinger on flesh w/blood a touch more than with the gel, IMO. I no longer own the 190 but I do have a Ruger 10/22 and it's available as one of our home defense arms. It's been my opinion that getting hit with the Stinger would be most likely be non-lethal but the wound would cause such excruciating pain that it would stop an assailant/intruder in their tracks. For that reason I trained my wife to go for the Ruder first, if possible. No kids so there is a round in the chamber but on safe. She learned well to simply push the safety and pull the trigger. Her training mantra is, "Push, pull, pull, pull and keep pulling until he's down and writhing."
Back to the ballistics gel for a moment. I think it has it's merits but I believe that mud, with it's moisture like flesh, gave me more information than the gel in a home defense situation. As a side note, back in South Dakota, we often went shining rabbit outside the Bad Lands. Once we stopped where there was a doe on the side of the road. From the backseat I got out and rested the 190 across the roof of the car, steadied and took three shots, head shots. No rabbit that night but we all shared in the venison.
My number one characteristic is that the round feeds, fires and ejects perfectly EACH AND EVERY time. Since l use semi autos that's the critical issue.
Why your using semi autos for 22 makes little sense in 2021/2022. You can get more firepower in the same package. For snakes or whatever i guess it makes sense but why not use a derringer or revolver that will be more reliable with the smaller caliber? And if it’s for self defense you should just get a 32/380 if you prefer the smaller sized guns
@@drugsarebad97 Because 22 makes more sense and i have never had a failure using CCI.
@@BB-1990 you literally can get 380 in the same guns that 22 has . Interchangeable barrels . 22 absolutely does not make sense
@@drugsarebad97 And 380 shoots the same huh? Same recoil, same time to get back on target and same ballistics?
Sure it's the same!
@@BB-1990 well obviously no . Your basically sacrificing bullet weight in order to have more ammo capacity . Which i guess makes sense but it’s still a dumb reason
For shooters who carry a .22 for CCW, can you do that test using a self-defense size handgun? Something like a Bobcat, LCP .22, etc? Thanks!
Bought a Bobcat yesterday, so hopefully.
@@GunSam Punch was made for the 2" barrel, so that's what I was hoping for. Thanks!
Federal punch hits like a 22mag out of mi keltec p17
Love the 22 videos. I have the ruger wrangler 4.62" barrel and a old h&r with a 7" barrel , also a marlin model 60 and a henry 22 . I shoot 22s a lot so thanks for the info.
I've been a big fan of 22lr semi auto pistols and currently have five a simple test for me when I purchase one is the ability to fire a multitude of different types of ammo I always start with the bulk ammo and if it causes alot of problems that pistol is on the chopping block some of the best name guns will only fire high velocity expensive ammunition out of my collection now I was most impressed with the taurus tx22 it a true striker fire 22 and it has a high capacity magazines I fired and entire box of federal bulk and had only two failures to fire no jams at all and other ammo that I had that never futioned properly out of any of my guns worked flawlessly in the tx22 I often use it supressed with sub sonics of different king and had very few problems plus it cycles perfectly next to that the ruger sr22 was my number 1 and when companies made mag extensions that perform perfectly it would be and excellent carry gun with a high velocity round I've always used cci products because of there quality but my next purchase will be federal punch I've never tried before and some cci and do a little comparison of my own thank you for your very unbiased opinion and very professional demonstration
Interesting. The Punch looks like a good design. I would put in a good word for the CCI Mini Mag HP's as well. They generally have decent expansion and more penetration than the Stinger. They are my preferred load for ground squirrel population control
What do they expand to?
@@SR-wz2iv I seem to recall seeing some testing where they expand to nearly .40" from a rifle. Less from a handgun
I just shoot rodents large and small, with a pellet gun. 500 rounds for 8 bucks. I can't see fouling my 22's or using the ammo on one.
I think the cci stingers are amazing but the mini mags are different than stingers
Can this be said in a handgun as well?
I understand that comparing high quality .22s is often just a matter of splitting hairs, but I'm still a fan of the 36gr Mini-Mag plated hollow point. They consistently penetrate 11 inches in other tests and sometimes expand a little in a handgun, about to a wadcutter.
Remember it's not about penetration if you hit an open cavity in the body and go all the way through you do effectively no damage. If the bullet is longer and thicker and tumbles more gonna cause way more damage
@@Crimsen13 Shock cavity, wound channels and penetration are all important in determining overall damage. As is bullet placement!
Nice work. Thanks Sam.
Thank you.
I have shot hundreds of ground squirrels in California since the 1960s through 2010 Both as a youth and as a Father teaching my Kids to hunt when they were young. Marlin 39A , Ruger bull barrel and the S&W K-22. Until CCI came out with the Stinger often they would escape into their holes. As soon as I began to use the Stinger- none escaped anymore. California still offers 10 cents per tail for each of these, which pays for all the ammo plus lunch on those hunts. The hours and years I’ve spent shooting these have given not only me but Uncles kids and friends hours of enjoyment and practically teaches hunting skills for big game. Other ammo became available but I had bought thousands of them on sales and never saw any reason to replace them. Also I have taken foxes, coyotes , crows, bobcats ,rats ,rabbits , raccoons with the same. Thank you. Mike
Yeah, old school .22 ammo isn't that great. I used to hunt fox squirrels with one of those .177 break barrel guns that shot at 1,000 FPS and it would knock them dead easily. Then I would do it with basic 40 gr .22 LR and was surprised that half the time they ran off. I think for small animals, even 40 gr is too much momentum, passing through a creature without dumping much damage.
I have 2 22Lr pistols GSG 1911 and Ruger Mark III love them both loaded the GSG with 15 rounds federal Punch it's in my center counsel of my suburban. Also have 2 22lr rifles a custom Ruger 1022 and Marlin both great guns and fun to shoot!
Recently bought the punch. But haven't fired them yet. I was a stinger fanatic. My go to round. After video still gonna love the stinger as always. But WOWWW on the punch. Gonna by more now.
So 8 months ago , just Watched Toolsandtargets test Punch and Auto Match. Jelly test. The Auto Match beat the Punch. That has never happened. Thanks GS
Great comparison 👍
Both owned by the same company . Nice old rifle . Thx for sharing
Some of the best expansion I’ve ever seen from a 22 lr fired from a handgun was with Remington Yellow jackets.
I mostly use Rem Golden Bullets & Vipers for small game . For defense I would use CCI Velocitor , 40 gr mini mag solids or Rem Vipers . . The punch did well !! Also shot shells & brick Winchester for vermin in a trap >> Rats ! From Rifle or Handgun .
id LOVE to see the Punch Vs. the Velocitor
Great video - thank you!!!
Punch sounds lots stronger also.! Great intel TY
The CCI Velocitors might work similarly to the Federal Punch. It is a hollow point with a flatter nose designed for small game. It weighs in at 40 grains and a listed velocity of 1435 feet per second in a rifle. Also 22 long rifle rounds do tend to produce their highest velocity in 18 1/2 inch barrels. At this barrel length the powder charge is fully consumed and as barrel length increases beyond this pressure drops and the bullet begins to decelerate which would explain why your velocity with the stingers came up short.
Tools&Targets did a comparison of velocitor to punch and the velocitors werent even close to the punch. The velocitors faired about the same slightly better for penetration than stingers. Nothing beats the punch with penetration as far as penetration is concerned.
thanks for a thorough video I would be interested in the comparison of Winchester silvertip segmented rounds to the punch
No BS, good data, nice video!
Great👌I like this information is well performed
NEVER HEARD OF federal punch ,but going to try it.
My ex-wife was "limited" to .22 pistols as, due to a car crash her shooting forearm was held together by a plate and screws. But she was DARN accurate with her Beretta 21, PPK/s, or my Walther P22. Back then, we loaded hers with CCI Mini-Mag solids as that is what fed most reliably and I don't think we ever had a FTF. Anyway, I don't tote a .22 much anymore BUT, I DO have several .22s so I think I need to find me a supply of this Punch ammo and lay in a stock of it for when I ever do! With that kind of performance, it might even be a better general purpose woods gun for around here than any other .22 loading (feral dogs, wild pigs, and the occasional two-legged snake ;) ) but all in a package that is easy to tote and serves well for the usual targets of small game and venomous snakes (the no-legged kind). Excellent work and very informative as always. Thanks!!!
Thanks for the video, I haven't seen any of the Punch yet around here. I think it changes the validity of the little "Summer" guns like NAA.
Punch vs. Velociter, would be a good comparison.
Another good video!👍
Thanks. I ordered Velocitor.
@@GunSam , have you tried the Punch in your new Beretta hand cannon?😆
@@freedomfirst5420 I will soon.
Federal .22LR Punch was $20)box at a gun show this weekend. MidwayUSA currently has it for $11.99/box.
Good job. Thanks
Good info! I've been trying to decide between the "punch" and the Winchester "Silvertip" .22lr. I have a Ruger SR22 that has eaten everything I've put through it...so far. I picked up some Silvertip ammo at my local Walmart the other day for $10.65 a box, but haven't had the chance to shoot it yet. Winchester says their Silvertip 22s are optimized for handguns. Haven't been able to get my hands on any Punch 22s yet, but I keep looking. A head-to-head comparison between the two would be interesting.
Always a good video with interesting comparisons. Thanks for sharing. PS: Have you ever looked at CCI Copper-22 (21 Gr) ~ 1900 fps.
Thanks. I did see them and was surprised as nothing like that existed 10 years ago when I used to shoot rimfire more.
Good video thank you
Thank you!
Cool video thanks.
I like your videos.
I've used CCI Stinger for years and never had a bad experience. Never used it for defense, but for woodchucks.
Good shooting at 25 yards Sam. There is something satisfying about pinging a target with a .22.
Thanks. I just bought a full size AR500 steel IPSC target. Probably weighs 50 lbs. I found through rough mapping that I have about 80 yards of a clear shot with flat footing to mount it. I plan to do a whole bunch of shooting that far for fun.
I remember learning to shoot at summer camp with that same rifle.
Great video Thank you Be Safe and God Bless 👍🎅
Nice video
Let’s see that new Bobcat in action. FYI the new theme song is 👍🏼
Great video! I just bought a box of punch
Ought to compare the Punch with CCI Velociter out of a Ruger1022.
I agree Punch wins, good video, thank you ! .
I remember filing the tip of 22 shorts to get more speed & better performance. not sure who said to do it . Shorts are good for quiet shooting in long bbl.
My only concern is over penetration by the Federal Punch. If you're having to repel an attack in your home and you happen to live in a condo or an apartment situation my concern is that the Federal Punch would easily penetrate walls and possibly do damage in adjacent apartments. Stingers will keep the damage "local".
Remember too that shot placement is as crucial as number of shots hitting the target.
The best 22lr round for defense is the CCi velocitor IMO. Neither the punch nor the stinger are really as good as the velocitor since while fast, they are also very light. Velocity is important, but without enough mass, it loses that velocity way too quickly. The Velocitor is full weight 40 grain, one of the fastest in its weight class, and made by CCi which has better reliability compared to other similar loadings like the Aquila interceptor. (Or whatever their full power 40 grain loading is called.)
If you want to test the Velocitors and can't find any, I can send you a box. Let me know.
How much is a box and what are the quantities and prices
@@jayronemartinez3679
They cost about a buck less than punch per box of 50, but in stores, they are usually a buck or sometimes two cheaper in my neck of the woods. If you order them on federal or CCi's website, the Velocitor is 9.99 for 50 and punch is 10.99 for 50. Before the ammo apocalypse I regularly got Velocitors for 7.99 per 50.
.22lr is not sufficient for self defense. It doesn’t have 12 inches of penetration. The only .22 that has enough power is a .22 magnum. And even that barely cuts it. Will a .22 kill? Sure. Is it effective? No. Failure rate according to the fbi is extremely high. It’s a mouse round.
I'll take a few boxes. Send em on over please 😎
A punch is way better than a velocitor better penetration flat nose is made for self-defense
This is science! the Punch is out there on some shelves and online as of 5/23/22. Have seen a Sportsmans Warehouse. It's a snappy little round. would like to try it small game hunting.
I saw a box today at Dunhams
fwiw, I was just now able to buy a couple of boxes of the .22 Punch from the Federal Website for $11 a box. Been looking for them for a while too.
I'm glad I watched this. I have stingers I'm my mags. I might trade them for punch.
.22 LR and 12 gauge are all a Man needs to survive The Apocalypse .
Yeah would like to see it out of a bobcat or LCP 22. Maybe compare it with Velocitors.
CCI 22LR 40 grain mini mags are my choice in a semiautomatic rifle or pistol
Same, CCI mini mag 40gr roundnose
Always thought it was crazy that 22lr hollow points are more deadly from a handgun than a rifle... because when fired from a rifle they expand from velocity, but don't penetrate nearly enough... but when fired from a handgun they don't expand at all (usually), so they penetrate much deeper (usually 12" or more). Ever since hearing about that a few years ago (and seeing it happen in tests many time), it really started to bother me that most of the good, hotter 22lr ammo (like one's for self defense) are hollow point. When it comes to 22lr, the only thing you have is penetration, so why would they make them expand and not penetrate deep enough? (A good example is CCI Stingers. When fired from a rifle they suck).
I think the best option would be the right lead alloy that maybe expands 25% from a handgun, so from .222" to like .27-.28 caliber while retaining 12" minimum penetration. I think something in the 35 grain range could achieve this if an ammo company took the time to design it.
@@GunSam Wish I got some Aguila SuperMaximum before the shortage. It's only 30gr, but probably one of the best self defense 22lr roundss I've seen. Got CCI stingers instead, but they're HP. Makes me feel like CCI just destroyed a perfect round by making them HP.
Because the .22 hollow points are originally not designed for self defense. They are developed for pest control and varmint hunting - and there you need
the devastating effect of a mushroomed hollow point on small critters!
Cynically ?
Generic 40gr RN HV will do anything reasonably expected from a .22lr handgun for defensive purposes . Likewise generic 36gr HP from a rifle gives very good balance of some expansion with 14- 16 inch penetration from rifles .
But hollow point bullets and pretty mushrooms look sexy in advertising , and their is market demand for " premium " ammo , and their just filling consumer demand .
I've got to give a partial update to my above comment .
In light of Gun Sam's most recent video with Blazer 40gr RN out of the same short bbl pistol , the Federal Punch did indeed penetrate about 2in more than that particular brand of generic RN , to give credit where due .
Is that meaningful ? Maybe.
Will that difference be consistent with other brands of RN or different bbl lengths ? Dunno
Does that raise Punch sufficiently to be a semi serious round , on par with say the various .32's or generic .22lr from rifle? No.
But Federal may now legitimately claim bragging rights for this subcategory .
I would have liked to see the Beretta in this one. Still interesting though.
I bought few box's of the punch . I like them . I do wish they was in the 1200-1300 fp, for gun that can for HV rounds . Rather than 1070 But it'll will work . I'll probably be buying few more in future
Federal FTW!
I’m definitely picking some of these up
The bullets didn't expand. Less damage