First Defensive .22 LR Jacketed Hollow Point? CCI Uppercut .22 LR Ballistic Test (VS CCI Stinger)
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- Testing the new CCI Uppercut .22 LR in a 10% Clear Ballistics gel test. Using my Taurus TX22 4.1" barrel for the majority of the test. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
Is the 22 a great defensive round? No. On the other hand it beats an unkind word. The handguns can be very small and compact, recoil is very manageable, the 22 might be with someone who didn’t t want to carry a larger heavier recoiling pistol. ‘As I age my appreciation for 22lr and 22wmr continues to grow.
You really put out good content.
Is 22LR the best defense round? No. Is 22LR lethal? Absolutely.
I, for one, appreciate all, every. 22lr and 22mag ballistic , etc. Test you're providing 👍 all windshield and winter wear test are especially appreciated.
Very cool. I just ordered a 22LR model 617 Smith & Wesson revolver.
Good choice! I love mine.
That's what I was going to get but I went with a Kel Tec P17 lol
@@timrobinson6573Being 1/5 the price helps a lot there.
I kinda wish you had also tested the Federal Punch in this mix. In other comparisons I have watched, the uppercut has not done very well. The Punch seems to be the clear winner. But I did enjoy your testing!
Right here ruclips.net/video/r9ctacyI0OQ/видео.html
Over the years of Gunsmith work and working part-time in a shop that sold Heritage Arms Revolvers, I found that the Cylinder Gaps varied greatly. I think this is primarily due to the fact that you can order cylinders that are not "fitted" to the gun, and are rather generic in fit. Some gaps were larger and some were less. The luck of the draw. My guess is that if you had 4 Heritage Rough Rider family revolvers, you'd get a slight variation due to gas leaking at the cylinder gap. Just my opinion and personal experience.
I've got two LR cylinders for my barkeep and rough rider. I should try the other one
Awesome! Would love to see you test the 22 mini mag segmented hollow point.
This is the best gun chanel on youtube. With the new brazilian firearms restriction, we have to use 38spl, .380, 22lr and similar rounds for self defence and to begin in the shooting sports. Thank you for testing a lot of this ammunitions, it helps us a lot. By the way, if you could test more magtech ammo, it would help us even more. Thank you!
Wow, brazil is insane!
I thought Bolsenaro fixed a lot of gun issues when he was in office!😮
@@chrislang5659 he managed to make some changes, including lifting the restrictions of 9mm Luger, 357 magnum, 45 ACP… but all of this got revoked by the new government. Civilians now can register only two guns for self defense and it should be a 38 special, 380 or less. 12 gauge pump is also available but semi autos are restricted. In Bolsonaro’s government there was also the possibility of registered shooters to concealed carry a gun in certain occasions. This was also revoked. Concealed carry license now here is almost impossible. Also to register a weapon for self defense it’s required to prove “effective necessity” and sometimes this goes easy and sometimes it gets tricky. There are now 3 levels of sports shooters also, level one can have 4 weapons and none restricted just 22LR pistol, revolver or repetition rifle(even the semiautomatic 22 rifles are restricted), 38spl, 380…, level two can have 8 weapons and none of them are restricted and level three can have 16 weapons with 4 restricted and the restricted ones include 9mm pistols, 308 and 223 rifles semi auto or not. People that got the guns at bolsonaros time will be able to keep them and buy ammo. To buy new ones the new rules apply.
One more thing, guns registered for sports shooting can’t be used for self defense. They have to be locked on a safe and unloaded.
@@chrislang5659 you can also be a registered hunter. You can’t use your weapons of sports shooting to hunt. You have to buy weapons and register specifically for this. The only available species for hunting are hogs. You can’t use your hunting weapons for self defense. Also it’s possible to register as a collector. In this cases there are fewer restrictions to the types of weapons you can have but you can’t buy ammo and also you have to make a lote of preparations in your home to safeguard the weapons and get your license for it.
I always enjoy your real world tests, As Paul Harrell suggests, if I am defending myself with a TX 22, I'll be aiming at the upper part of the target, if you know what I mean. Sooo, I'd like to see a different analog for that area of the body when testing .22LR. No clothing, less gel before mdf and then your regular gel block. It would be very interesting seeing different rounds and barrel lengths.
When .22 Plinkster got the early samples of the Uppercut (because he's in tight with CCI), he never did video of testing the Uppercut in a revolver. He did mention that CCI said not to use it in revolvers. I asked him about it, and he said he did test it in revolvers, but the velocities were too low and too inconsistent, so he didn't bother to put it in the video.
He also criticized people testing the Uppercut in Clear Ballistics, because it reacts less like real flesh that the Knox gelatin he used.
Yes, the .22 does not have enough pressure power to lose any to the cylinder gap! But Clear Ballistics silicone gel and Knox Gelatin is simply comparing apples to oranges. They are SEPARATE CATEGORIES and should not be compared or criticized................................elsullo
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I went back and rewatched the video, and have to disagree with you. 4 out of the 5 in the Knox gel clearly expanded (and he admitted the one turned backwards with minimal expansion), while none of the 5 in Clear Ballistics expanded. Penetration levels between the two gels were similar, sure. But the one that didn't expand and flipped backwards in the Knox had similar penetration to the Clear Ballistics ones as well. I guess he could have removed the bullets from the gel and showed a side-by-side comparison, but he didn't. I guess he figured you could see the difference in expansion inside the gel well enough, so he left it at that.
ballistic gelatin DOESNT react like flesh. its just a controlled substrate used for comparative testing.
This is why we’re all here!
When I tested the Uppercut at the range, I ran It through a TX22 compact, P17 , LCP II and 10/22. My biggest issue was that it didn't cycle well in the LCP II and with the 10/22 the poi was all over the place at 50 yds. I thought it was because the velocity was not consistent enough. You feel when the round goes off if it is good or mediocre. Your tests have confirmed my assumption. The velocity of the Uppercut was all over the place in your test.
I love the stinger. Cycles well in all guns and delivers consistent performance.
I have a very jamatic .22lr pistol during the 90's every brand of ammo having jam issues, except the 22 CCi stinger. My jamatic pistol works 100% perfect on the CCI Stinger. Its like the +P ammo for 22lr
I'm going to say that they both suck lol. Carry a centerfire cartridge.... like .380 or bigger. I personally like the much maligned 40.
That's my favorite cartridge for 'work' if I have to go to work on something. That's what is in my vehicle at all times, my M&P .40 5". I prefer my snubby .327 Federal for on body carry, but that's just to allow me to make it to my car, then it's business time.
Another useful and informative post. Excellent as usual. Thanks for sharing!
Me, wanting to comment: “Sitting back, watching, waiting for the trolls.”. Alas, I see, Too Late!
22 has worked for close head shots for a long time .
Morbid but true...lol
Great video. Thanks for all job done. I the end, I would prefer the Stinger for defense with 22LR. Interestingly there are good companions for 22LR like 380 ACP and even the 38 SPL SHORT from Magtech, this one with energy equivalent to a 32 ACP but with diameter of 38 which causes a little more damage. Modern 22LR ammo turned a very effective choice for those who love the light recoil and fast and precise aiming that these low cost caliber deliver. In that famous study on the stopping power of ammunition, the 22LR proved to be one of the most lethal and stopped the attacker with 1.5 shots on average, less than the 38 and 380 and much less than the 9mm (2.7 if I'm not mistaken ). Of course, it is also one of those that stopped the attacker the least, with around 30% failure to stop the attack. The 380 did very well in that study with about 1.70 rounds to stop the attacker. Well, we have calibers for all tastes! Life is good!! 👍👍
Not ideal choice but 22lr means that you are still bringing a gun to a gunfight
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This is the first test where we've seen those uppercut expand in clear ballistic 10% gel out of a handgun at velocities of around 1000 fps and still penetrate to 10 inches after it expand to .34 . There are other 2 or 3 tests on the tube from other gun tester where at speeds from 950 to 1050 those uppercut never expand and simply acting like fmj thumbling and penetrating no more than 9 - 12 inches.
That's strange controversial results
Interesting. But we all know a 22 is not a 38. I’ll go with whatever runs the gun most reliably and is acceptably accurate.
Nice test! It would be interesting to see how the uppercut compares to the Velocitor in the same test.
I understand that Uppercuts were developed with FBI standard gell, and it performs quite differently in "clear gell"
That's some stupid lie that keeps getting spread as fact. I have heard it. I always roll my eyes at it. If almost all other rounds perform fine in clear gel the same as they do in organic gel, then ONE round design does not perform in clear gel....blaming the gel seems a bit dumb. If you got to rig a test to show it will perform, that means without a doubt that it's not going to perform in the 'real world'.
Was let down at some of the tests with Uppercut. I’ll stick to Punch
I do own a NAA mini-revolver chambered in 22lr with a 1 1/8" barrel. With a barrel that short, I wonder how fast would the projectiles travel using the same 22lr rounds that Gun Sam was using on this video. Great video anyway.
Ballistics by the Inch has some numbers from an NAA mini in .22 LR. Like their test gun the Walther P22 3.5" barrel shots a Stinger at 1,112 FPS. In the NAA Mini that same Stinger got 771 FPS
@@GunSam That's a mighty big drop in velocity reading. Thanks for the info., Sam.
Eh, I think I would stick to the stingers. Although I have a preference for 40gr in 22lr.
Another .22 appreciation club member here. Just recently picked up a TX22 to go with a S&W J and K, and 80s vintage Beretta 21s. I find it interesting that a number of recognized experts as well as military and intelligence services around the world in the years since metallic cartridges were introduced who have offered reserved advocacy or quiet use of .22LR, and Bill Jordan 60 years ago as well as Greg Ellifritz and Paul Howe today admit to having a .22 Magnum in a pocket or clipped in the waist band on occasion. Other than on small game from rifles, I haven’t seen any published articles or data that ever suggested a .22 rimfire expanded consistently. Furthermore, I’ve noted that it may appear that .22 hollow point rounds don’t penetrate as far as solids. Consequently, it becomes a question in my mind as to what solids tend to penetrate consistently within the window of 12 to 20 inches from a 1.78 to four inch barreled pistol as defined bY FBI protocol? I wish S&W, Ruger, or Taurus (or any other manufacturer for that matter) would consider making a small frame 22LR/Mag revolver with interchangeable 7-shot cylinders to shoot both rounds. Both exposed and concealed hammer, but mostly concealed hammer ( and good sights). And keep the price below $500. I can see there might be a market.
As always another interesting ammo comparison. Though I have many .22s I hope I never have to rely on one to fix the problem. Keep up the good work.
Great video! When did you purchase the Uppercut? I bought a batch when they were first released and my terminal results were a little different.
Thanks. I ordered them about 2 weeks ago.
I think in the .22LR world, there's two combos to consider for this sort of thing: Federal Punch and either Winchester, CCI, or Aguila with their "hot 40gr" loads rated over 1400 fps on the box.
When i measuring from outside my right arm to center of my heart its exactly 12", i guess that is what the FBI 12" minimum is represented by. Measuring from outside my left arm to my heart is 8", and my chest front to back is 10". In a self defense you are most likely to shot on perp in the chest, therefor should a 10" shot through the MDF be plenty.
Sam, do you have a video when you shooting round nose CCI mini mag 40gr in gel?
22lr is great. Uppercut is not. Go with federal punch for reliability and power.
Upper cut just isn't worth it. Revolver lost too much pressure with bigger cylinder and cylinder gap. Thanks for the test it was very informative
My old Caldwell chronograph was always super fickle about the lighting. I got the new G2 version with the LED light screen and it almost never fails to read. I even use it in the dark pretty frequently when I’m in the reloading room late at night.
Thank you for reviewing the cci uppercut firing out of a revolver. I Cary a 22 single action revolver occasionally. Mostly around my home doing yard work. I wish you would have used the revolver in your tests it would be greatly appreciated.
CCI makes so much good ammo but this Uppercut seems to fall short. I carry Federal Punch, in a .22 cartridge penetration is important and the Punch does great job .
Great video as always. I'll stick to Mini-Mags and Stingers. I've been using them for fifty years so I trust them.
I just bought a brick. Even with all the controversy, I'm sure I'll find a use for it. I'm thinking it might make for a pretty great small(er) game round out of a rifle at speeds closer to mini-mag territory. I just need to remember not to use them in any of my match chambered rifles.
Two camps here - penetration or expansion. It's hard to find a 22 LR round to expand from a pistol and the 22 LR is pretty weak so the best answer is the deepest penetration possible using 40 grain RNL bullets. That's how I see using the 22 LR for defense if nothing else is available.
@ GunSam I think maybe one of the issues with lighter weight 22lr and faster velocities of the those types of rounds not being accurate, is the need for the firearm to have a faster twist rate on the barrels. It could provide more stability to the "Hyper Velocity" rounds. Love your channel!
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you don't want to use .22lr Hp's for personal defense. the regular lead round nose 40gr copper washed mini-mags will deform good enough on chest.bones, and will not rob you of much penetration. count on your shot placement more than the possibility of expansion.
Pathetic.... (Zap Branagan voice)
Not only do the cylinder gaps vary and tend to be rather wide in the Heritage, the forcing cones generally are configured such that you can virtually use them to pour motor oil into your truck. Remove the cylinder and stick a loaded round into the forcing cone. Note how much further it goes into the barrel versus say, a Ruger Wrangler or Single Six. The velocity difference between the two is most notable in cooler weather, which is when you are most likely to use the gun……..e.g. running a trapline. Said by a guy that chrono s a lot of ammo in Heritage and Ruger Revolvers. In fact my Heritage has a longer barrel (6.5”) than any of my Rutgers and the Rutgers shoot noticeably faster most particularly in cold weather.
Will not buy the uppercut ,i liked the idea of s real jacketed .22 bullet- seeing how much hype is around it I was exited, but the reality is: its absolutley not what it claims to be and a waste of money. Bullet drag leds to higher pressures, but if CCI can not load this bullet to the velocity of the stinger and do that with consistant speed and performance why would anybody buy this ....
I've seen a few videos on the Uppercut now. All of them make me think it's a failure as intended, but that it would make a good short-range varmint round out of a carbine. I think it would be effective against creatures up to coyote size.
I’ve seen several tests on the Upper Cut and in clear ballistic it did so so but it did good in the 10 % FBI type gel
This test cries out for a rifle. Some people all they have to defend their home is a .22 LR. 100fps might make a world of difference.
I had issues when I was hard into airguns. Pellets had to travel so close to the sensors that it would clip the wires on the fold up Chrony. It resulted eventually to strikes on the unit for which fan boys sneered at me rather than acknowledge the limitations. I switched to a ProChrono which I have now had for many years and don't recall any problems. Chrony support was zero (0). No response.
You got the Uppercut to expand in clear ballistics gel which might break the internet lol. I don't think any .22lr has ever created as much controversy as the Uppercut. If you haven't watched other channels, the controversy comes in that the Uppercut almost never expands in clear ballistic gel but works great in organic gel. Since most gun-tuber's use clear gel it caused a huge controversy. Just a heads up in case it pops up in the comments and you hadn't already been aware.
I've never seen .22lr tested on windshield glass so thanks for doing that!
Thanks for all the really great videos. I liked the one recently on hard cast bullets. Keep up the good work !
The CCI uppercut looks like it's good for a 10" ar22
Yep !
I'd rather have a 22 out of a rifle. Out of a handgun, I'd rather have a 22 Magnum.
Thank you Sam top notch as usual, honest and unbiased, there is a reason some call you the best gun channel!
Dang spell check lol! Rugers NOT Rutgers!!!
I think it is indubitable that hollowpoint .22 should be reserved for varmint rifles only. They NEED more velocity! Really, they need more weight too, and this is what forty grain bullets are for! CCI makes forty grain solid point copper-wash "MINIMAGS" for useful defense, and I stocked up when I found some! Supposedly, CCI makes a forty grain hollowpoint "Velocitor" but nobody has ever found any, ever.............................elsullo
Velocitor just came back in stock even on Midwayusa. I have some in my cart but by the time I make my next supplies purchase in a couple weeks, it might be gone.
How does Upper Cut compare to Federal Punch?
I'm glad you put the modified revolver down and did the ammo test using only the pistol.
Good .22 LR ammo from a rifle can get about the same energy foot pounds as 380 ACP. And 380 ACP Xtreme Penetrator is the same diameter and the same penetration depth as 9mm. 9mm is going to perform more or less the same ballistically as 40 S&W. 40 S&W is just a weaker 10mm. So my concealed carry is a 22 LR which is basically the same as 10mm.
.50 BMG is a little wider than two .22 LR's, so 3 rounds of .22 LR is more powerful than one round of .50 BMG. With .50 BMG there's a lot of recoil so you will miss, so the .50 BMG is actually now 0 ft lbs energy of effective energy, therefore in the real world, the .22 LR is more powerful.
22lr is just as powerful as a .380.
.380 Underwood is just as powerful as a 9mm.
.40 S&W is basically only as good as a 9mm.
Therefore .22LR is just as powerful as a .40 S&W.
Tone down the dark humor folks! There are women and children in the room!...........................elsullo
Honestly I don't see a reason to keep trying to make 22 hollows for pistols you're just not going to get the velocity to penetrate and expand well
That's true to some degree. I personally would tell people Mini-Mag 40 gr solids or the sister load Blazer 40 gr solids are probably the best loads for self defense from a handgun in .22 LR because they are more reliable than a lot of brands and consistent.
@@GunSam that's usually what I tend to recommend to people when it comes to 22lr. Doesn't matter how well it performs if it doesn't go bang reliably
What about federal punch 22 It seems a bit hotter than most
@@Lateralus1007 lot of noise lot of flash good penetration
Thanks for explaining parallax on your measurements vs the view from the camera. I hate it when audience members try to tell me my gel penetration measurements are off.
Yeah, I get that a lot. Usually in the form of "12 Inches??". For whatever reason, the bullets close to the right side of the block (facing the block long wise) are not off too much, but to the left side of the block (my plain gel side), they are very far off. Like for an example, maybe a really low penetrator like a .22 that went to 7" in the gel...it looks like the bullet is at like 9" when it's not at all.
One thing this round might excel at is use in a suppressed pistol. It’s just my theory, but I think the fully jacketed round would burn cleaner and leave less debris and deposits in the silencer body, as well as back in the action of the pistol. Sam, did you notice any difference when cleaning your Taurus?
I haven't cleaned it since I filmed this.
I wonder how it would do out of my six inch revolver?
Bummer about your tripod at 19:45... :)
I saw Upper Cut at the store a couple weeks ago, didn't bite on it but was curious. Thanks for answering my question about whether or not to go back!
Actually, I saw the impact a few days later. It's an older one I leave out there so I could care less, but luckily the bullet went dead center through one aluminum leg, causing no change to it's structural integrity.
40gr mini mag
Interesting test! Thanks for sharing with us.
Maybe needed "sky screens"? Mine does, usually.
I haven't seen a good review on the uppercut to date. I have not purchased any either. I like stingers. Cci really did not think this one through at all
Why didn't they put the jacketed hp in the stinger case?
I'm not sure how it was loaded, but if it were me and I was making something like this, i'd make the bullet smaller and have that Syntech junk on the bullet to make it the right size, that way bore drag is lowered and they would go as fast as the Stinger and actually work right.
GS. Another good and interesting video. I have a comment on barrel length vs velocity. In this video from a few years back my Heritage with 6.5" barrel plus the cylinder travel was worse than a 3"-barrel semi-auto because of a 0.007"-cylinder gap which I believe should be no more than 0.004". Video attached, go to 8:40 in for the chart if interested. Thanks again and take care. ruclips.net/video/BnGsYPR2O_g/видео.html
Invest in the garmin xero chronograph. It's life changing
Seems a bit extreme. Chronograph has worked perfectly for a long time, one test where it's got light issues due to trees and shadows, so picking up .22's is hard. Sirens and alarms "JUST SPEND HUNDREDS MORE ON THIS NEW DEVICE". Personally, I think just going out and using it like normal like I have done 3 times since filming this video, and having it work perfectly like it has, ignoring weird comments, is a better solution.
Thanks buddy! I really dig your down-to-Earth style, humility, and objectivity. You've probably become my favorite comparison channel, after Paul Harrell no longer presents as much due to his illness. Keep up the good work with your casual grace, it works!
Through a rifle, the Stingers surprised me. They came apart in water jugs all the way to 40 yards!
Thank you, as always, for your very interesting testing--always informative
Also, it might have helped to have a control of 40gr solid high velocity as that's what many people use in pocket guns for penetration, not a few I suspect because their pistols don't like stingers because of short chambers or small pistols can cycle too fast with stingers.
Good job ....
Grow up and quit playing with 22s
Constantly testing magnum revolver cartridges. Test some .22 LR to be well rounded. Kid thinks he's cool by commenting "Grow up and quit playing with 22s". Love it or hate it, that's the reality of this particular interaction.
I am not a fan of the 22 for defensive purposes unless you absolutely have nothing else (other than the 25 auto) in the way of a firearm. When it comes down to it it's better than no gun but you had better be darn accurate with it.
Good presentation of these 2 rounds. Tried and true cci, like a good dog, there by your side.
Really appreciate your content on rimfire especially Sam, also love to see chrono results on the barkeep. Been eyeing that one for a while. Thanks for all the great tests
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Thanks Sam! top notch as usual,honest and unbiased there is a reason some call you the best gun channel on u-tube! 👍
That one round of Uppercut is the only one I've seen expand out of a short barreld pistol.
"But that's not the same gel the FBI uses!" - 22Plinkster
And i'm glad I don't listen to an agency that tends to get most things wrong most of the time - Gun Sam
@@GunSam I'm quoting him because I think it's the dumbest thing he's ever said! Your tests are great.
I figured it was him saying it regardless. I wasn't sure if you were quoting him as being right or quoting him as being wrong, so I said what I said lol.
Thanks Sam 👍
Sam i cant stop watching all these test. Im needing the smell of gun powder and range time again. 🤣🤣
Very interesting. Thank you Sam!
Cool show you should take a couple apart to see how they're loaded and which one has more powder
I figure Uppercut has a hollow point in order to reduce weight, not for expansion's sake.
That hasn't been a thing needed, since oh, I don't know...since the 19th century.
If you can't hit what you're aiming at, a self-defense round is useless. Instead of buying fancy ammo, shot placement is the skill you should be acquiring. Personally,
I prefer shooting Winchester Hyper Velocity. It is a 40g hollow point 1435 fps round. I shoot this round out of a Buckmark Contour 7¼ barrel and several single-shot rifles with a 30 inch barrel @400yds. The hyper velocity round has greater stability and is copper plated. I also like the M-22 @1255 fps for plinking and target practice.
Self-defense is ALL about shot placement, NOT the ammo. Fancy ammo will never make you a better shot.
swarm of bees 6 to the heart in no time at all 7 yards, speed and accuracy of a 22 lr and federal punch especiallly giving 22 lr a boost
I got lucky lol. First medical examiner would ask if it was an improved choke, and was it a weirdly loaded .410 because the amount of holes for #4 buck aren't adding up.
or 26 rounds from a sig 322 wondering if maybe a 20 gage
Technically #5 buckshot, but I get the point. 😊
We need to get you a radar chrono.
wish cci uppercut velocity they would load hotter, seems like lowercut for a name, they need to pack that powder tight like chineese carry out food giving you as much as they can in a little container
"Me: Mmmmm Is that 22lr? Shooter: "why yes sir it is. Why do you ask?" Me: "it smells like fried rice. I love that flavor" 🤣
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Most people will never be involved in a shooting, so it doesn't matter if it's loaded, for most of us. 😅👍🏻
for windows and other barriers if we put it in context of a private citizen or police its different with rare exception to the rule, a window would mean your attacker would have to shoot through the same window you do to hit you, in a private citizen defense context they would try and shoot you with window rolled down, and since unlike the police your not chasing a suspect exending gun fight where you have to stop a suspect, you would not chase but defend from cover and extract your self from that situation, as a private citizen rare exceptions having to shoot through window unless car trying to run you over or kidnaping like having to stop driver, its very rare you have to shoot through a window because even if a drive by attack their window is down and head showing sometimes in order to see you to shoot you, that head is your target but gun fight is only going to last a couple seconds and if your smart you will not be out in the middle of the street being a target, despite a 9 mm or 40 critical defense or other barrier loads you can still get shot making a waist of a good barrier bullet you were not able to use, police on the other hand will be out in the middle of street needing to stop that car and you dont because you not trying to capture and arrest but hold your possition or cover defending or extracting breaking contact letting police worry about a chase, you have won the gun fight if they leave so no need to chase, even a quick swarm of bees from a 22 lr will send them on their way, some 22 lr guys can fire 5 rounds a second in a second with accuracy being no recoil, a head in a open window with 5 rounds a second is a attention getter, with a 22 lr you would get cover as use the same break in contact defense tactics, defense shooting is competition shooting in reverse , your shooting going to cover not shooting to come out of cover with many guns shooting at you making you a dead man, on the range it looks good with paper and steel that doesnt shoot back in competition shooting but in the real streets they dont fall like magic from a double tap, nor do they have a shot timer and guy with a beeper telling everyone when to start, gun fights are very short events where the first 3 seconds determin if you win or not, mostly after 3 to 6 seconds bad guys run from a defending armed citizen, not enough time worry about running after them trying to shoot a window when you won the gun fight already, their cowards after a private citizen sends a swarm of bees 22 lr or 230 grain 45 acp, same result as they lose a shoe or pants falling down running from your gun shooting back
Started to read but it became too difficult. Punctuation matters.
The Stinger was designed as a varmint bullet, and shooting through auto glass in this test is pointless for defense. ANYONE who would consider a rimfire for defense needs to stay home.
Carry on. Context over your head, but that's okay.
Ur m o m stays at my home
@@GunSamwell said, some people just don't get it
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Be careful with acorns around this one.........