Kingdom Hearts Keeps Making The Same Mistake
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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In this video, I'm talking about Kingdom Hearts and why it keeps making the same mistake. I explain why Square Enix needs to change things for Kingdom Hearts 4 to be a win!
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Man, I haven't heard that intro in YEARS! It's been so long that I forgot it even existed! Only those who got into Kingdom Hearts during the original trilogy and were constantly on the internet will know the nostalgic feels of that intro!
Oh God, you're right! The memories of that intro just came flooding back!
Yoooo my whole childhood just flashed before my eyes 😂
I started thinking of my ex girlfriend from 6th grade hearing that intro lmaooo
I believe I was looking up the Maleficent boss fight when I first discovered that channel. Kingdom Hearts changed my life!
I really hate Nomura's way of storytelling or way of adding something to a franchise's story.
I liked what he did with KH2, despite what some people said, I really loved Roxas' intro up until Sora leaves for Twilight Town and it legitimately made me cry.
That's the type of storytelling that I want, and we could've gotten something like that in KH3, maybe not as emotionally driven, but something that cumulated from all the games before, IMAGINE IF ALL THE CHARACTERS YOU'VE HELPED FROM DIFFERENT WORLDS BEFORE, HELPED OUT WITH THE HEARTLESS!!!! But no, it's just Yen Sid 😞.
I would LOVE for them to remake Union X and Dark Roads into full games with actual animated and voice acted cutscenes. The stories are just to important to the overarching narrative to be inaccessible. Plus it’s hard to take the darker moments seriously when it’s just adorable 2D chibi characters murdering each other lol
100%
On god
I’d pass on that idea, I just want kh4
How cool would it be to create our own avatar just like the mobile game except see them in a full 3D environment. Like, how epic would the keyblade graveyard segment be on a ps4/ps5 or better yet PC. That shit was a full boss gauntlet vs all the other unions... Nowadays they might even be able to use AI to pronounce the Player's name. That would be so cutting edge and something that hasn't been done yet, I feel like they could do it though; KH UX was so personal to a lot of people how special would that be.
I would personally prefer to not see the origins of xehanort in hd i seen it on youtube and i hate it finding that out made me not want to play those games in any form but to each there own
Everglow’s timeline for union cross and dark road definitely saved the day for me! Back when those videos were coming out, I was hooked all the way through.
I'd say the story isn't complicated, just needlessly convoluted. The games being on multiple platforms didn't help. Really, the problem is how Nomura wants everything to be too connected. KHX is a great example of this. There was no need for that story to have a great significance on the current story. It should have just given context to the first keyblade war and why the worlds are separated. It doesn't help that time is wonky in this series and that we can't really say when things happen.
Only that was not the first war...
i think the fact thats its so convuluted, makes in compkicated
I think I found my new kingdom hearts news youtuber to watch. I love the humor you have, the comedic timing, the atmosphere of your videos and all the info you explain perfectly so I dont get lost. This channel is great for people that aint never played KH anything. My first KH game growing up was KH 2 ( I BEAT SEPHAROTH ON THE FIRST TRY WITH 1HP LEFT RIGHT BEFORE OUR BLADES WERE GONNA CLASH, IM STILL FLEXING BOUT THAT TO THIS DAY). now as an adult I CAN BUY ALL THE KH GAMES AND THE CONSOLES I NEED MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
glad you found him, he's been an OG in the community. I remember watching his original road to KH3 playthrough when i was like 17 or 18 lmao im 26 now
Skyward is a goat this is actually a new channel he made exclusively just for kh4 his old one was dedicated to the road to kh3
You did not need to make me feel old with the KH-Vids shoutout
But yeah, the whole point of the KH series previously being on somy consoles over a decade ago is for sure the main reason so many people call the series “convoluted” when you can just play all of the games on modern hardware (still sad about no native Switch port) and get just about everything besides the Union Cross and Dark Road stuff.
I remember those videos in the 2000s when I joined KH in 2010s
I honestly do agree with you on the "make the mobile games into console games" idea because then yeah I'll be able to feel like I'm willing to play them and have the story of those games and it makes me glad that I'm not the only one who thought that they would or should do that
Yeah, that Square Enix idea which someone made a Kingdom Hearts timeline.
@@Twilight17Petkoton uh...what?
@@DraconicDarknessLook at Kingdom Hearts timeline instead of doing what line. Because Everglow learned how really started it all before Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and 1.
@@Twilight17Petkoton ... ... ...we are talking about putting the mobile games of KHX/Dark road onto consoles...that's not just for lore purposes...
Thats Not easy needs a full dev Team ans nomura is curently Not able to Do that
This helps explain the love/hate relationship I have with this series 😭
I saw the KH4 trailer and thought that girl was Sora's angel guiding him into the afterlife. I had no clue- 😭
Riku: Why? Why did the Key blade choose you?
Roxas: Shut up.
It's frustrating watching Square intentionally disregard the console market all for the sake of that mobile game money, but it's an enormous slap in the face to fans like myself, those who've stuck it out for years while trying to keep up across handhelds & home consoles. If they've no intention of doing better, I've already got a fall-back, the Xeno series. Between all the world building, the characters & the sci-fi elements, there's so much to offer that I honestly think most people are sleeping on its potential. The Xenoblade Chronicles trilogy has been filling that KH-sized hole in my heart for some time, and I'd even place Shulk far above Sora as a character from a writing standpoint, especially after the events of Future Redeemed.
I get the mobile game issue, but the rest of this has been fully resolved. You can experience pretty much the entire story if you have any console and youtube, or heck, just a pc.
buy the first collection for ps4, dream drop distance for ps4 and thats all and maybe KH 3 depending on which collection u bought
@@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774 uh yeah definitely get kh3
A small sign is still a sign. Also Kingdom Hearts is only technically on Nintendo Switch but not really. As a Nintendo fan who prefers there games to be on Nintendo even with all the cut corners to make it work? This is a bigger slap to the face than just getting a bad port at least a bad port had some effort put into it. Not only can I not really play the game on my Switch, I have to be connected to the internet to play it, and if the server goes down, I'll no longer be able to play it. I have a PlayStation and an Xbox so I'm not that mad about it but again, I'd rather have my games ON Nintendo. Not on a server that I have to remote into and pray that the company never goes out of business.
@@sonicstarman9663 you did not need to write that, literally everyone knows the cloud versions are terrible and lazy, but I'm not gonna lie, the cloud versions were how I first played the series, and I still love the games to death
@@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774 I have all on Xbox one X and have over 500 hours across all
Kingdom Hearts 1 is the only Kingdom Hearts game that I genuinely enjoyed, so much so that I created the ultima blade and beat all the secret bosses, including Sephiroth.
Yeah the first one was the best one besides 2.
@@joshuaBrooks.nicholas I think I was unimpressed with KH 2 because, 1. I just came from of God of War. When going from God of War QTEs to Kingdom Hearts 2 QTEs, there is a lot to be desired. I couldn't believe that the triangle button was all you had to hit in order to do them.
And 2. is that Kingdom Hearts 2 felt disconnected from Kingdom Hearts 1...and later on, you find out why. There was a GBA game inbetween them that was counted as part of the canon, which you had to know about in order to follow the story, which is ABSOLUTELY stupid.
I was also really disappointed when I went back to the Little Mermaid world only to find it turned into a rhythm game...The story was absolutely atrocious as well, but the combat (other than the QTEs) was pretty good.
Yes KH1 is the only "good" game. I enjoyed parts of KH2 but hated the story, so in the end not that great but still better than all the other ones that came after that.
I feel 1 had the most "Heart" (pun intended), i do prefer the gameplay of 2, but i often go back to 1 just for the story even do the hardest enemy og KH1 is its own gameplay
idk if you have played birth by sleep but i thought it was the best KH game the way the grind and stories played out was really fun also multiplayer at the time made it even more fun but sadly they never tried multiplayer again after KH days and birth by sleep.
Why are we advocating for Square to keep churning their wheels and put out garbage after garbage in an attempt to wring its fandom from all of their hard earned money? Let's be honest here -- Square barely cares about the story or its fandom when it comes to KH. Suggesting that they remake the KH mobile games but into console games at likely $70 a pop is just another way for them to exploit their fans so they have a complete picture going into another mainline KH title, that quite honestly, feels like is staying way past its welcome.
The biggest issue with KH3 story is it received the GOT effect, so many body of art, was getting this like movies, tv shows, everybody wanted to change characters to be grey characters, and subvert expectations, and that is why I really did not like KH3. It was done poorly, and I think made so many fans confused with Xehanort.
Forgive me, but what does "GOT" stand for?
Game of Thrones I think
@@aerokus9940 Ah, I see. For some reason, I was thinking of Ghost of Tsushima.
That's actually one of my only problems with the kingdom hearts franchise, why TF there is a big ass mobile story game that is that important to the story? Specially when you can't play it anymore apparently? Hope they never release another mobile KH ever again, that was a pretty shit move
I think the issue is that we are entering a new era of kingdom hearts, leaving the Xehanort saga behind.
We were able to connect every thing together because we were at the end of the saga. Our new saga means new games to be scattered around just like the start of the kingdom hearts journey (both in the game canon and the player). Now that we are entering a new era we are going to start over again from the beginning, until we reach the end of the lost master saga, where we will definitely get another 3.5 remix or something.
Kingdom hearts 3.5 HD Final mix super collectors edition
3:31 Oh man, I haven't heard that intro in YEARS!
...Thanks for the discount BTW ;)
This is what made me worry after the release of so many titles. I was born in 2002, the year KH1 was released, and I played throughout all elementary school, along with KH2. I fell IN LOVE with the franchise, there wasn't a day I didn't imagine myself fighting along Sora and his friend. I truly loved it.
Now I'm 20, and last year I finally got a PS4. With it, I bought KH All In One. I replayed through the first, Chain of Memories, the second, BBS (one of my absolute favorites) and I fell in love all over again. Until... I reached 2.8
Don't get me wrong, it was so fun playing as Aqua and playing DDD for the first time ever. But... things were starting to feel a little bit too intricate. When I played the third, I was so hyped. I remember waiting, like, a total of 10 years for this bad boy to come out. Everybody was on the edge of their seat every time KH3 was mentioned. I remember spending days on Facebook groups and forums hoping to see if someone got new info, so it was so weird being able to play it!! Although... I was let down.
The graphics? Amazing. Gameplay? Amazing.
Story?
Well...
It infuriated me how long it took for the game to go over the story. Everything happens within the last hour of gameplay, in the last fricking world.
I was so weirded out already that [SPOILERS] Marluxia, Larxene, Vexen were still alive? I saw them and was like "...what?".
Once in the Keyblade Graveyard, when dead people came back to life all over the place (looking at you, Xion and Roxas), I started playing with a constant "Are you serious?" expression. I lost all interest in seeing what would come up later, especially because every bad guy got his happy ending for some reason? But I didn't lose hope... yet. I thought, hey, maybe they're going to conclude the game in a nice way, at least.
Master Eraqus randomly appears, says one or two things and Xehanort, THE MAIN ANTAGONIST SINCE EVERY PREVIOUS TITLE, was like, 'ok cool. take the x-blade sora, im outta here"
???????????????
I was so let down. I didn't bother buying the DLC, as my I got told that things that went unexplained in the game are not fully talked about in the DLC either. Plus, the DLC hints at stuff for KH4 without any explanation, AGAIN
I LOVE intricate stories, but making it purposefully intricate and confusing just because you like the Internet calling your game "intricate" and "difficult" makes it lose its charm. I was hyped when I saw KH4. For like, a day. Then I completely lost interest. If they don't fix this thing, I'm not going to bother buying KH4. And this is coming from a fan since 2008. To me, what's canon involves KH1, CoM, KH2, Days, Coded (could have neglected this one but oh well), BBS and that's it. Anything later than that is just utterly useless, in my opinion. Except for X, of course!
Sorry for the venting, but I wanted to appreciate your video by giving out my experience. Keep up the good work, man! May the keyblade lead your way :)
That's about where I am, too. The story after BBS is just completely tanked. It's clear that the story has no competent editors anymore, so all we get is that stream of consciousness word vomit that is Nomura's creative process without anyone who can actually take the pieces and put them together. Like trying to build an intricate Lego setpiece by dumping the entire container of Legos out on the floor.
Yeah 3 ruined the series for me. It should have been a proper and beautiful ending to the series but it leaves more questions than answers after a decade wait. And leaves much to be desired in terms of content in the game itself. No final fantasy, scala ad caelum ultimately falls flat as a final world offering no exploration. Square offered up many excuses for this game after its release. The simple fact is they spent too much time on the disney stuff and didnt want to do any more work on stuff fans actually cared about.
@@skullman9216 For a game two console generations later with all the extra time it had in development (though almost certainly mostly wasted due to Square's colossally bad management in most of the 2010s), it's amazing how it only barely rises to roughly KH2's level mechanically, and plotwise, manages to feel like it's not even a complete rough draft yet.
KH3 was garbage. the story should have been: KH1 -> chain of memories -> KH 2. and that's it. everything else was too much intricate garbage. they couldn't make a simple progression so they should've just quit after KH2 while they were hot. i will say tho that dream drop distance was fun to play, with the flow mechanic allowing you to jump and fly through the air pretty much lol
@@commentaccount9372 totally agree
was hoping the gameplay post 2 would be touched on, but this video is still really good, subbed.
The way Union X looks, I don’t blame people for skipping this title. Reminds me of the flash games from the early 2000’s.😂
They also don’t realize that a large majority of their fan base refuses to experience the story via a mobile gatcha platform. It’s garbage and an extremely disrespectful attempt to take advantage of those invested in the story.
I feel for KH 4, they should have benched Sora and have a new protag (not necessarily a new character) take the reins. If they were to do a new character they can give a new starting point for new players to get into the series.
Yeah, everyone should let it go on Sora being the main character because that is a bad obsession to have. They did a good job on new heroes on Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest characters instead of using the same hero of Sora every time in Kingdom Hearts 1, Re:COM, 2, Re:Coded, DDD, 3, and MoM games. No wonder the fans are becoming t.
Not happening. Sora will always be the main character in the numbered titles.
Could've perfectly ended at the end of 3 when literally everyone was on Destiny island enjoying themselves except for Sora.
Awful idea
@@windandcloudshadow158 No way. if the Kingdom Hearts 3 series ended in 3, we wouldn't get to know more about the Master of Masters and other things about the Fairytale timeline and other questions would remain unanswered.
I’m still debating if I want to continue with the story. A part of me was so ready for the story to end with Kingdom Hearts III. And giving how it ended, I can close the book forever and say “The End.” But that’s not true, there is another adventure.
But how heavy will Disney’s influence be in this new iteration? Or are we crossing into the Final Fantasy Universe? Is Maleficent still going to be a problem?
It’s just like Sora said about Winnie the Pooh, it’s like I’ve outgrown Kingdom Hearts or Kingdom Hearts is going in a different direction or is trying to evolve into a recognizable game all together.
It’s just like I’m no longer in love or obsessed with this game as I was over the past wonderful 20 years.
Nice to see you doing theory-esque videos again dude! Kh is one of many series that make me miss blockbuster lol. I hadn't even heard about the last few things you mentioned! I'm holding the fruitless hope that kh 3 is ported on a cartridge to switch so I can play a numbered kh game for myself
This game has been ruined, kingdom hearts 3 was a disaster, now kingdom hearts 4 somehow is gonna be worse...
I was a little ashamed to have waited all these years for KH3. The last hours were truly abysmal.
@@Sikanda. The last objectively good square games were from 2001-2005, after the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out, it was a joke company.
Title: Kingdom Hearts has been making the same mistake for the past few games, and it's about time they corrected it.
Description: Kingdom Hearts has been making the same mistake for the past few games, and it's about time they corrected it.
Description again: In this video, I'm talking about Kingdom Hearts and why it keeps making the same mistake.
Not helping much.
I was a hardfan but after kh3 something broke in my patience and also my heart, beacuse everything in the story was closed in a hurry and all the characters were really stupid. The author don't really know what friends are and the plot points were embarrassing.
And after kh chi/union cross etc joined the main story... Well lets just say that quitting this franchise was like leaving a toxic relationship. And feels good
Same.
Yup, I didn't play the handheld until the remasters. And the story was eh but I played it in anticipation for KH3. And after that game and its horrible story and all those characters that were introduced just to be rushed into a happy ending.
yeah same i was willing to excuse the convulsion until KH3 was dog shit, i don’t give a single shit about KH4 unless they use it as a way to reboot a new story or just start completely over
I feel like Disneys Involment was huge for KH3. In other titles it felt like the disney stories revolved around the kh setting. But with 3 it felt the opposite. No final fantasy characters, the plot was irrelevant because the original disney stories needed to shine and not be altered in the slightest. The transformations were wack, combos were weightless and not as flashy, rikus keyblade was awful, difficulty did not exist when the game first released, and throwing all the characters you actually were interested in last minute was lame.
Yeah it might be because the Disney worlds became less and less relevant. In KH1 the worlds felt tied to the main plot. Not really much in 2 and absolutely not at all in 3.
KH3 literally no middle section. It hardly even has a beginning.. they waste time in Disney worlds then BAM.. all the terribly written nomura anime stuff happens at the end.
Or maybe because between KH1 and 2.. it only like one game in between them. Yeah it had the ro as story too.. but honestly you don’t need to know it when going into KH2.. the game stands perfectly fine if you go in knowing nothing of Roxas.
Then there’s KH3.. the gap between 2 and 3 is over a decade and they had more spin off story relevant games than I can count.
You know, I agree that FNAF's lore is probably as convoluted as KH. But the thing is most of FNAF games can be beaten in a couple of hours tops. Most KH games would take dozens of hours to beat. And spreading crucial parts of the story across multiple platforms is still one of the weirdest and counterintuitive decisions I've ever seen. To quote the AVGN: "What were they thinking?"
Man that kh vids intro gave me ptsd , i always tried to ignore that site even while waiting years to get the console
It would be super dope if we got remakes of Union X and Dark Roads. They're interesting stories, but I don't wanna waste my time swiping away at my phone to read the text on the screen. I hope Tetsuya Nomura takes the hint and remakes them into proper trailers with HD graphics and voice acting because they sincerely look hella interesting. They really do.
aye bro, i just found your channnel, as someone thats first game was kh1 and been diehard all my life, knowing that you couldn’t keep up w union cross is very validating cause that shit was wild to me
I've been playing Kingdom Hearts since 2006 and i've lost my excitement for the franchise. The story is so messy I don't really care about it anymore
Am I the only one who wasn’t really feeling KH3? I’m not sure if I grew up or whatever but KH3 left such a bad taste for me that I didnt even bother buying the DLC for it. I’m not even all that excited for KH4… which kind of sucks because I’ve been with the series since I was about 10 years old on back on the Ps2. I have all the games leading up to KH3 but man was that game a big disappointment. The story felt rushed, the whole game felt rushed at least to me and if this is the game KH is going forward I think it may be time to move on from it. Please tell me I’m not the only one who feels like this about KH3
Same here. Kingdom Hearts has been my favorite game series of all time, kh2 being my favorite. Waited over 10 years for kh3. As a game its good but... It's not the kh game which I've been waiting over 10 years for. The ending was not satisfying for me.
No, I was really disappointed, especially seeing them completely nerf Kairi's character development and literary have Axel babysit her for the entire game. It feels really gross tbh. I didn't really like most of the worlds either, except for exploring them, but story wise they added nothing to the plot and it was obvious Disney was pushing hard to advertise newer titles instead of the classic titles that actually made people fall in love with the series in the first place. I mean, they even got the original voice actors for Alice/Wendy and Piglet to come out of retirement.
I still think 3 is legit the worst one. I had more fun playing the mobile games even though I didn’t finish them.
I dont think UX and DR should be remade, it should be made into a tv series, since most people havent even interacted with anything to do with UX. It would help introduce these people to essential characters from the X saga before KH4 releases without having to develop an entire game for it. Plus, UX objectively has the best storytelling in the series so far, and seeing some of the best cutscenes animated properly and voiced for the first time would be a magical expirience for the people who have seen UX all the way through.
Yeah, about Square Enix are in boiling water on video games.
Yeah when kh 4 trailer came out with Strelitzia. A lot of people were asking who she was and I basically answered everyone I saw telling a synopsis of who she was. 😅
Nomura kinda hinted that he wants the kh community to basically explain it all to each other as he believes it brings people together, he mentioned in one of the interviews. But I'm sure when enough time passes, union x etc, will get it's own theater preview in a future final mix compilation.
So it really feels like it's on purpose to bring future hype with the kh community wanting to tell the lore. Basically one big marketing strategy, just a weird word of mouth one. (Not saying it's a good method btw. I'm starting to get tired keeping up with it all myself, and I played every kh game.)
This word to mouth strategy sounds good cause it would allow story to focus more on bizarre vibes than overexplaining stuff which doesn't need explaining. People seem to overestimate how much knowing every part of the story really affects to experience.
KH's storytelling kinda suffers from its tendency to focus on some unnecessary expositions and histories rather than just create vibing narrative and characterization.
@Twilight17 Petkoton was it tears of joy or despair? 🤣 Idk unreality Sora kinda looks cool with the realistic look.
@Roope Reimi yeah. Kh 3 was a good example of over explaining things lol. Most of the game was just going over what we knew, barely anything was new and there wasn't really much of a direction until the end. I always say Kairi should have been the focus of kh 3 since she has the least development and screen time. We already know basically everything about Sora, his stuff could have been relegated to cutscenes.
And it looks like Nomura will likely be focusing on Sora again in kh 4. So I'll probably pass on the game and watch let's plays for the lore.
@@kairi4640 Well, it’s a numbered title. It would be weird if it _wasn’t_ focused on Sora, imo. I don’t think KH4 is going to be the next in the series to come out, it’ll be Missing Link and probably one more legit side-game (or maybe an actual remaster of Days and/or Re:Coded) before KH4 so they can build up the hype. Nomura also said he wanted to dive back into the FF side of things, so Sora may be the main focus but the tone could shift dramatically. Just my 2¢ though.
He wants to make this crap dark souls? That's awful
this is a critique i have with the japanese industry in general, and their obsession with innovation
like final fantasy for exemple, SE tried to reinvent combat on every single mainline game since FF4, and this creates inconsistency, from all the 1 to 15, there are 3 or 4 that are really good, they even did that on direct sequels like X-2, XIII-2 and LR
now back to kingdom hearts, its no different, KH1 was nice, KH2 is ahead of its time, and KH3 still feels better than 99% of action rpgs out there, but everything in between these games sucks, not because they are bad, but because they could have been much better on actual decent hardware and kept the essential combat mechanics
True tho
Kingdom Hearts III was so bad, they had to announce the fourth game.
3:32 THE NOSTALGIA😭
The only mistake: waiting 15 years between numbered releases
nah true fans will wait forever look at star wars.
Even so a lot of the "side stories" were just as integral to the plot. Especially 358/2, BBS and DDD, so it's not like we were starved for content during that span.
But I get where you're coming from.
I give up on anything new from Kingdom Hearts. Too much important lore is in hand-held games/mobile games I don't want to play. If it was all on one console, fine. I'll play along and do my "homework" to understand. But when I have to watch videos on youtube to understand new lore between the main series, no. I'm not playing buy this console to play and understand our lore. Honestly, I'm tired and older and I don't like being jerked around to enjoy my games.
It's hard being a Kingdom Hearts fan because just when you thought you got the best deal for the games, a new collection comes out
They're going to lock future storylines behind rounds of hide-and-seek that you would have to be physically present for.
I really don't mind the multiplattforms on the games to understand the history. What I hate is the terrible writing the series fell into, so many bad dialogues and characters interactions. And plot points that comes out of nowhere like Mickey saying "We should upgrade our keyblades" out of nowhere, ok now is this a thing? Nomura plz...
The games wont be any better if they keep the terrible writing.
We waited like a decade for KH3 and it was extremely mediocre and a chore to play. What a shame after how good 1,2,BBS were. SE is so dumb for making mobile spin offs and a freaking BROWSER game critical to fully understanding the story. What is their obsession with making everything canon. It’s like they dont want people to understand the plot wtf
I question why Kingdom Hearts is like this. Twice now, they've effectively made the mainline story... functionally pointless. The actual important characters of the Xehanort arc were from Birth By Sleep on the side consoles. The actual important characters of KH4 and beyond are... from the mobile games, because that's actually where the important events that alter all of canon are happening. Hell we're playing Sora when *Ventus* looks like the second most important and powerful character in the whole series.
After a point, if the actual important setup and events and intrigue are happening in the side material... then it's the *main* material-the console games, the numbered titles-that starts feeling like what you should just watch on RUclips and read on a wiki.
Ventus the guy who is effectively half Sora?!
Sora has defeated Xehanort and is at the place where all MoM went to prepare for his coming plan. Sora is the force that moves the plot forward like a protagonist should!
I think the only saving grace with the mobile titles is Union Cross's story is available offline and Dark Road is fully playable now offline. The sentiment is real though. I don't think a lot of people know they exist unforunately.
They had one job! To make kingdom hearts 3 amazing to solidfy the fan base to satisfy the people thats been folowing the game for 10 plus years...... and they let us down in terms of scale that it could of and should of been when we was waiting that long
The problem with Kingdom Hearts is that the combat in KH2 was excellent and has been mediocre to bad ever since. Apparently a lot of people only like the games for the story? I guess that makes sense, but man what a waste of a perfect combat system.
There is no doubt that every kh fan that cares about the story needs this to happen, sadly I really doubt they will make a game about it, even though they so extremely should. I think they might make a movie thing but who knows, they definitely need to make the story for the mobile games easier to access for sure however they go about it
All I want from the series moving forward is they get rid of Nomura and do their absolute best to salvage the series as a whole without him and his god awful story telling and ideas.
Get rid of that convoluted garbage with O13 and the mobile games and start fresh with the core of the first game and it'll be so much better off imo.
Definitely going to be an unpopular opinion but I stand by it 🤷♂️
Wowow, FNAF is NOT as lore-dense as KH. KH is on its own level in terms of lore density
I Know The Series Is "Convoluted & Confusing" But I Absolutely Love KH. Also Unchained X Is Not Decades Before KH1, Its Centuries At A Minimum
Honestly, Kingdom Hearts became way too convoluted. I'll always love 1 and 2, but I can't be bothered to play any of the other games. I've already heard 3 is more cinematics than gameplay, and I didn't like chain of memories gameplay. I've heard about the Sora and Rikku timed switching thing, and that'd piss me off too much. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, they should have just given us the keyblade war for the third game. That secret ending was so amazing, and it's been nothing but let downs since.
Story wise, idc if the mobile shit is good, release it as a decent playable console game and ill still shit on the story, but id never say the games were bad i defend that constantly, but happily say the story is drivel. I just want the games. I DO want a story but i expected a lot, then less, then less everytime i played a new game. Now i just want something passable idc if its top tier. As far as the new direction, they HAVE to keep the charm or it wont be kingdom hearts, OR, they have to handle the story so well into something grittier that it works and idt they can do that.
This was an EXTREMELY well made video, bravo
The key to play Kingdom Heart is. Don’t try to understand the story lmao. Just play it cuz you wanna kick Sephiroth’s ass.
Very true. I played by skipping all cutscenes while watching “A Good Enough Summary Of Kingdom Hearts” I highly recommend.
I’m ready to give up on kingdom hearts.
KH problems are Nomura(writing on the fly) and Yensid(not letting the game have balance between Disney worlds and KH lore)
I never did manage to find a Wall scroll of the Chain of Memories true ending with Riku and Sora chilling on their blades....
I just pretended kingdom hearts 2 was the end of the series because technically it could end there perfectly fine
facts, this was the peak
Honestly a remake of Union X or The original game onto modern consoles for free would be very cool to have
That would be dope
A collection for the Age of Fairy tales would be perfect. Everybody that's gonna play KH4 and wants to actually follow the plot needs to know about these characters. I wouldn't mind a good refresher once in a while lol
Okay... you make a good point. A lot of the reason I didn't care for anything KH after KH 2 is because it was all side/spin-off games that were all completely cannon and hyper important for the story. However, as someone who mostly caught up with the story thanks to youtube..... the reason I don't care for KH now is because the story is... not good. It just isn't what I enjoy and KH1 was the clear peak of the series story so far, in my personal opinion.
So, I can't enjoy the series anymore. ^^ But I'm glad you have something you can be THIS passionate about. Was actually very entertaining, and quite educating, hearing your video on it. So thanks for making it.
Well the funny thing about KH1 is that it was originally planned to have a simple disney like story but Final Fantasy creator Hironobu Sakaguchi said to Nomura that a story like that isn't good enough and would be WAY too simple for the average Final Fantasy fan so he said to make it more deep complicated to help draw in Final Fantasy fans to the game
In my honest opinion, Square Enix is worse than Nintendo when it comes to making older games accessible. With the PS4 era they got better, but it's annoying me because now they're doing the same garbage again. Sure with Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, it's not that big of a deal, they usually have their own narrative and plot. But with Kingdom Hearts they games suffer. Honestly the best way to experience Kingdom Hearts as a new fan is probably the manga instead of trying to play all the games even then that's not perfect.
Super Smash Bros Ultimate is canon to both Kingdom Hearts and Metal Gear. That in turn means you have to play and understand all the Metal Gear Solid games to have the full KH story.
Like, KH and KHII are fine, i recommend those. Sure, you miss out on CoM content a little, but still accessible.
But KHIII is so confusing without playing BBS, 358/2, and even 3DS.
Even then, there is content that relates to FP, Union X, and Re:Coded. THIS is where it gets confusing and non inclusive. It's just so spread out and everything is just... so much.
KHIV is not going to be a direct sequel to just KHIII, there's Dark Road and Union X. Which was honestly not connected into the series all that well.
3:05 same, my PSP got pawned at a pawn shop but my Mom forgot to pay the pawn so we lost the PSP. I still have the OG BBS though.
I think I got all the way to Vanitas II in Aqua's story, which as you can imagine, I never got past it as a kid. You just did chip damage against him.
I always thought that if Square were to bring the X saga to consoles, they could 1: just straight up port the offline version of the Union X Dark Road app, or 2 ( and I think this would be more exciting ): Do a 3.8 collection with a remake of X, a Dark Road movie, and a prologue to KH4 ( which personally, I'd love to see Lauriam be the focus of ). Also, small correction to ML: Nomura did confirm that ML will contain some important stuff for KH4.
While I agree with you almost completely I am just happy that we don’t need to delve into light novels and manga to get lore bits. Japanese games tend be more inaccessible in the west even today. I think of one of my other favorite series which is the .//hack franchise. That is so widely spread across a ton of media and so much of it will never come to the west and the manga and light novels do add to the overall plot. Compared to .//hack kingdom hearts has it made to be honest. I don’t see tsukasa or haseo in smash.
There's also Legend of Heroes by Falcom, which only released the Trails in the Sky games in Japan, and the only way to get those overseas is to buy them on Steam with translation patches, and those could cost an arm and a leg. Until last year, recently, we got the Crossbell duology, and Cold Steel started on the Vita, which funnily enough, is the same name as one of the characters in the game. The PC port of Cold Steel 1 and 2 were brought over to PS4, and Cold Steel 3 and 4 were released with the PS4 in mind, as well as the upcoming Trails into Reverie, which is still currently out in Japan, and is coming here in July. Cold Steel 1 and 2 still haven't had overseas Switch releases, while Cold Steel 3, 4, and the Crossbell games were all released on Switch.
@@davidtimmer596 that’s a mess. That sounds very much like .//hack to me. To be fair the inaccessibility of .//hack has kind of added to the whole mystery aspect of that story but I’d be raging if it were a different series to be sure. Still annoying. I’ve never heard of the legend of heroes.
Actually I really enjoyed that the chain of memory slipt trough because when you play the second part without knowing what happened in castle oblivion it is a much better expirience because like the characters you dont know what happend before and how they got there
Why is there too much kingdom hearts games ?
*1. business 2. money* 👍
I'll be honest I am surprised there hasn't been an announcement of an animated KH series on Disney + to fill in a lot of this stuff.
Using God of War isn't fair it's a Sony owned IP while KH is 3rd party.
Kingdom Hearts 4 will have a lot to juggle whenever it comes out. With sora’s disappearance, the lost masters and the foretellers and especially yozora. How does he fit into all this? I’m sure it’ll all make sense but right now, it all sounds way too complicated for its own good.
Ngl Kingdom hearts isn’t too hard to find out there are some videos that explain it all
You say it’s a problem, but they’ve made me buy the same exact game like 6 times 😂
"Is this Kairi's Heartless?" LMAO! Reminds me of the good ol early 2000's Deviantart ocs
Kh messed up whenever they waited so long for kh3. This is a classic bozo move, waiting too long for anything.
Kh3 was such an afterthought, it damn near ruined the franchise lol. I used to love kh so much, now it's just a memory really.
All of the things that could have been.
Oh well
They NEED to remake Union X, and Dark Road on consoles. Then Missing Link should be playable on consoles too, and maybe remade later on as well as a normal none gacha game.
0:17 sigh.... my roommate quit on the first one because it really REALLY didn't age well. Currently trying to convince him to just jump to KH2 & watch the previous as movies
MAN, you speak the words of the Gods. I love KH but it was impossible for me to keep up with everything with my income (II haven't even played the DLC of KH3) but I'll try to keep up and watch Union X on YT
Personally I believe the idea of having union x as a console remake is the safest and most fan oriented way to keep the story knowledgeable so that everyone is included. Also having to kinda rush into KH 4 after us just getting 3 not that long ago without any background knowledge of union x would throw a lot of people off considering not many people openly played the mobile games or felt interested to do so. And although you could watch all the cutscene videos (bless those creators 🙏🏼) on RUclips, some may not take or find the time to do so before KH4. So again it’s a repetitive cycle of confusion. And honestly I wouldn’t mind waiting for KH4 a bit longer if it means we get to understand the context behind everything with a console game.
It is amazing that Square was able to put an amazing story and lore points on a mobile game with a chibi art style and even more so that some fans are completely unaware by it! But PLEASE do not give it the movie treatment! I raged that 358/2 was just a movie and Re:Coded took way too long to go through and bored me to anger!
7:49 this really makes me think since sora is fucking DEAD that we’re going to see a Reaper’s Game and the return of Neku
On the Topic of Missing Link
I think if it's setting up beyond KH4; then it's definitely gonna setup Verum Rex. Because Nomura did mention wanting to do Verum Rex first, but knew the community would've slayed for a new entrie to sink our fangs into.
No offense, I have played most of these games, and literally none of them have any kind of coherent story, or structure. Nomura saying all this crap is canon is mega hilarious. He is a 52 year old troll that dresses like a teenage boy. Also the title? You don't really explain that KH is making mistakes so much as you are gushing about how much you love that Square Enix and it's executives dropped a ton of different games on a ton of different consoles across multiple remakes and re-releases to exploit Disney & Square fans for over two decades; with some of the worst narrative I have ever had the displeasure to experience. The only reason any sane person plays KH games, is for the gameplay. I gotta ask, what was the canonical reason behind dropping the square enix characters in these games, outside of just plain development hell and terrible disney ride mechanics?
Shout out to damo. He kept me interested in this union x for as long as he did but it's over for me know. I'm just tired of waiting all the time it's too exhausting.
I played KH 1 and 2 and enjoyed them but wasn't about to buy a new console every time they made the next game. By the time they released the collection, I was kind of over KH and started getting into other things.
And I brought all of it just so I can play all of it too! It was crazy but you're right it was too much though. It's a problem honestly I think it should've stayed as PlayStation exclusive and that's it but that's just my opinion. I hope Kingdom Hearts 4 will be coming out soon and not 10 year wait
you cant call yourself a true fan without knowing about Union X
I know there was a rumor about Square Enix making a Disneyplus series of Kingdom Hearts on their own engines (Basically, a cutscene amped up) but no further news on it. I was hoping it was a way to get everyone caught up for Kh4, but I'm worried Disney is gonna 'kid-ify' it... Still, I'm super curious if that's how they'll try and get everyone caught up if 'Melody of Memory' wasn't already their attempt at that..?
The annoying thing for me is how every game has a new gimmick.
I hated Union Cross because of the gatcha mechanic, upgrading badges etc was annoying and not fun for me, so I missed major plot events because it felt like a chore instead of a game
I skipped chain of memories when it first released because as a kid i thought "oh, it's basically KH1 again but with a stupid card system now"
And melody of memories has done the exact same thing by being a rhythm game 😅 just give me consistency in gameplay
In defense of kh chain of memories, kh1 gameplay would NOT work on the Gameboy advance, and, imo, it's actually pretty fun on GBA.
@Cam Harkness They didn't help themselves by making it seem so much like the first game though, to my young mind it just felt like a worse version of kh1, so I never got through enough of it for the story to start coming out.
Obviously as I've got older, I realised and went back to it
@@sharrzeor7478 oh yeah, no definitely I agree there, they really should have done a better job making it stand in its own light, especially in marketing, especially since hand held ports, even at the time, had special tag lines like that.
I was just defending the card mechanic's existence.
@Cam Harkness that's valid, I just personally didn't like the card system, I can see its appeal, it just isn't for me
@@sharrzeor7478 understandable, that's valid as well.
I think the main issue with KH pre-KH3 was that Square had no confidence in it and prioritized Final Fantasy. In a way to keep KH alive they kept releasing side gamesm But low budget, less risky side games on handheld/mobile devices that were easier to make.
Even KH3 seemed like it had less time and energy permitted, as some aspects were a bit wonky, like the audio, character models and cutscenes, but i also recognize they switched the game engine partially into development, so maybe that attributed to it as well.
KH3 pulled in some serious sales numbers, so im not surprised that Square is finally taking it more seriously. The KH4 trailer releasing so soon after KH3 and looking beautiful is proof enough of that.
The problem is not only the financial aspect of all those games, it's also the story. They unnecessarily complicated it with every game
I feel bad for saying this but I completely forgot all about Missing Link. There was a point where i kept watching the trailer, listen to its then wait for the updates of the beta trailer but since then....utter darkness of how progress with Missing Link is going. I hope its development is going well but it doesnt feel like it. I would love to see a trailer during the summer for Missing Link and KH4 so we can know what they are looking like
I used to love KH. It's something special, that brought relationships to my life i still cherish. After KH3 i just can't. I was expecting the finale. Something to just close that childhood open wound. They, instead, kept up with their greed. Im nbot exited about the series anymore. They are plain, greedy, and try so hard to appear complex and deep. You could fool me as a kid, but no longer. Im just going to cherish my memories about it and move on. Nomura is a disgrace for the industry.
3:30 oh lord the memories are flooring back into me
Keep spreading the good word about KH!!
The black box is literally jj abrams' mystery box, and this should tell you all about what the future holds for this series