Final Fantasy 16 - PlayStation 5 - The Digital Foundry Tech Review

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  • Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
  • Final Fantasy 16 is a beautifully crafted, visually stunning series entry that arrives with gamers in a polished, bug-free state. John takes us through what makes this game so compelling in terms of its visuals, audio, environments and characters, plus there's everything you need to know about quality and performance modes in terms of image quality, frame-rates and everything else. Also: Square-Enix has indeed delivered a day one patch, and we've got analysis on whether it improves performance compared to the recently released demo.
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    00:00 - Introduction
    02:00 - The New Generation
    03:58 - Characters and Cutscenes
    13:14 - The Environments of Final Fantasy 16
    16:42 - Grape Analysis
    17:51 - Shadows, Particles and Water Effects
    21:10 - Performance Testing - Frame-rate and Image Quality
    28:19 - Loading Times
    29:11 - The Sound and Ending
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Комментарии • 4 тыс.

  • @KellissonFelipe
    @KellissonFelipe Год назад +918

    "Grapes per second" must become the unique quality measure for any new game.

    • @SeolferWulf
      @SeolferWulf Год назад +7

      Came to the comments to write this XD

    • @nefertumdark
      @nefertumdark Год назад +4

      I can not find the timestamp, where is that line?

    • @Mr_APeezy
      @Mr_APeezy Год назад +4

      @@nefertumdark@16:44 lol

    • @nickllama5296
      @nickllama5296 Год назад +1

      It's almost like the Seconds to Crate metric OldManMurray dreamed up so long ago.

    • @fepethepenguin8287
      @fepethepenguin8287 Год назад +3

      ​@pigjedithe guy never said he watched the video, just said he can't find a time stamp

  • @UserInterface00
    @UserInterface00 Год назад +481

    12:45 FYI: as John mentions that turning off motion blur is not an option in the current, release version. But over the past weekend, Yoshi P mentioned (during the Japanese Pre launch livestream) they will add an option to “Turn Off” motion blur in an upcoming patch.

    • @BorisTheGoose92
      @BorisTheGoose92 Год назад +51

      Thank god too. I was hating it in the demo.

    • @teddyholiday8038
      @teddyholiday8038 Год назад +45

      Should have launched with the option

    • @UserInterface00
      @UserInterface00 Год назад +33

      @@BorisTheGoose92 agree. I’m also not a fan of motion blur. However, I recently got my first OLED TV just in time for this game and it helps when playing “Graphics” mode. The near instantaneous pixel response time stuttering is a lot smoother at 30fps than other games. At least in my case.

    • @UserInterface00
      @UserInterface00 Год назад +5

      @@teddyholiday8038 yeah. More people are going to wait out until the patches before playing this now. But for me, with a story this grand, don’t want spoilers. At least by the time I get to New Game+, hopefully all that is implemented and performance is improved.

    • @kevskikane
      @kevskikane Год назад +2

      I'm sure the motion blur toggle is included in the 300mb day 1 patch.

  • @White_5tar
    @White_5tar Год назад +273

    Let's take a moment to appreciate John's "Ode to the Grapes of Final Fantasy". Top job sir.

    • @ghostcula
      @ghostcula Год назад +8

      DF stays unrivaled, I don't think we've had a moment this magical since the Chad Warden ps3 retrospective intro.

    • @niks660097
      @niks660097 Год назад +2

      @@ghostcula That reminds of df retro, i don't think there is anything like DF retro on entire youtube..

  • @wezite1983
    @wezite1983 Год назад +71

    They added a motion blur slider in an update today! You can set it from 0 to it's default setting of 5.

    • @BigCheeseEvie
      @BigCheeseEvie 3 месяца назад +3

      5 looks great for 30 imo but 60 fps could do with 2 or 3

  • @NN010
    @NN010 Год назад +796

    The Grape segment was hilarious as an FFXIV player who was there for all the grape mocking during the Endwalker launch! I’m hesistant to watch much more to avoid spoilers though.

    • @TwinOpinion
      @TwinOpinion Год назад +27

      🤣 We were dying. We had to pause the video. Grapes Per Second!!!! 🍇🍇🍇

    • @thedude8128
      @thedude8128 Год назад +5

      Yup, I'm dying right now. Had to come to the comments for extra fun 😂

    • @Wogle
      @Wogle Год назад +15

      🎶Tales of Loooosssss, and fiiiiire, and graaaaaaaapes...🎶

    • @timmoody5466
      @timmoody5466 Год назад +7

      Those OG Endwalker grapes were 11/10

    • @gabepullicar
      @gabepullicar Год назад

      Hahaha so good!

  • @mattmackie3243
    @mattmackie3243 Год назад +433

    Run time was perfect, don't apologise. Great to witness somebody just loving a game and wanting to share it! Well done.

    • @jonathansoko1085
      @jonathansoko1085 Год назад +3

      IF this review was 20 hours id have watched it lmao

    • @belliebeltran4657
      @belliebeltran4657 Год назад +10

      I never noticed the run time. I only realized I'd spent 30 minutes after hearing him apologize, lol.

    • @dante19890
      @dante19890 Год назад +4

      its too long for ADD audience

    • @djinnxx7050
      @djinnxx7050 Год назад +1

      @@dante19890 Well that isn't somewhat insulting to actual add folk... 😑
      To be fair, i have add and I managed to watch at least 25 minutes before I started to lose interest. But I was busy eating during most of if so you know, was kinda already distracted 😅

    • @_CrimsonBlade
      @_CrimsonBlade Год назад

      You damn hypocrites hate starfield for being 30 fps but you’re fine with this shitty game terrible performance lol

  • @jonRock
    @jonRock Год назад +335

    If you guys don't want anything spoiled, just listen to the video, John describes everything well.

    • @SwordsandMushrooms
      @SwordsandMushrooms Год назад +34

      I didn't expect that MASSIVE spoiler at 31:05 🙁

    • @asuka_aozaki
      @asuka_aozaki Год назад +13

      @@SwordsandMushrooms Thank you bro, you might just saved my game experience from being destroyed. I immediately paused the video when I saw this comment😧

    • @gabrieloliveiralima3772
      @gabrieloliveiralima3772 Год назад +3

      @@SwordsandMushrooms dude you can't even describe what is happening

    • @Sal3600
      @Sal3600 Год назад

      Fkn poosis spoilers don't ruin anything

    • @arlequin241
      @arlequin241 Год назад +3

      ​@@SwordsandMushroomsYou are my hero ❤️ Thank you

  • @ryan011193
    @ryan011193 Год назад +23

    It’s never gets old listening to John talk about video games, just like Rich, he has a way of describing everything that’s so appealing to listen to and you can hear his passion for the game while also being able to critique the finer details.

  • @Kmaitland89
    @Kmaitland89 Год назад +287

    Wonderful video. Do not apologize for the length. This is so well put together. Amazing work.
    It's great to see you excited about a new release.

    • @frankmarano1118
      @frankmarano1118 Год назад +4

      Yeah I've always been a long time final fantasy fan since I first bought FF7 on the Playstation 1 as a kid. His review really shows the love, care & respect he has for the game which is surprisingly uncommon when it comes to many game reviewers.
      (I'm liking the like minded sentiment of this comments section)

    • @matsui90
      @matsui90 Год назад +3

      Totally agree. Jon, this is a great video and your passion is appreciated and accentuates the quality of this game. If people don’t want to hang around they will drop off once they’ve got the message. But the rest of us are all here for the moments you feel enamoured enough to write a love letter to a work of art!

  • @onesowngrief
    @onesowngrief Год назад +308

    John, I was not expecting a section on the music alone and I can't say enough how much I appreciate that you included it for this particular game for the DF Tech Review. Definitely felt like a conscientious decision for fans of the series.

    • @mattlandry
      @mattlandry Год назад +6

      That's how I feel about the grape section!

    • @HY31494
      @HY31494 Год назад +3

      Music is part of the tech progression in video game, even though there are no limitation now, it is essential to the presentation and experience a player can have with technology, I'm a bit disappointed there aren't in depth review of special sound effect and music immersion. Example like how a sword slash the skin or armor of the enemy, or how the music transition between different stages of the battle, they all contribute to the experience of the game even though the player barely notice the diminutive detail comparing to the graphic.

    • @Siul_987
      @Siul_987 Год назад +9

      He has done it before, but is really one of the reasons I love john reviews, he really explores the audiovisual department from every direction, is great tbh.

    • @carpetfluff35
      @carpetfluff35 Год назад +3

      It deserves it. The music is sensational.

    • @onesowngrief
      @onesowngrief Год назад

      @@carpetfluff35 Oh I know. I am a major Soken fan. I plan to buy the soundtrack too.

  • @Zeltor
    @Zeltor Год назад +251

    Yeah it's (sadly) a real feat these days to have close to no game breaking/major bugs in a game of this magnitude.
    I salute the team, what a great effort!

    • @user-ur3cl2pq5i
      @user-ur3cl2pq5i Год назад +2

      fucking sad indeed

    • @a9udn9u-vanced
      @a9udn9u-vanced Год назад

      No software is bug free.

    • @user-ur3cl2pq5i
      @user-ur3cl2pq5i Год назад +3

      @@a9udn9u-vanced that's true about minor ones but with the gaming industry critical ones come day one and a few months down the line that's the problem you see

    • @leftyfourguns
      @leftyfourguns 11 месяцев назад

      Bug free action games didn't exist before FF16?

    • @a9udn9u-vanced
      @a9udn9u-vanced 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@leftyfourguns No and it's worse before because of modern software development processes. The only reason you feel games are more buggy nowadays is because modern games are exponentially more complex than older games. When you code 1+1 it's difficult to have bugs in it.

  • @sass2836
    @sass2836 Год назад +20

    Thank you for such elaborate and detailed insight into every facade of the game. Incredible work as always.

  • @KontryBoy706
    @KontryBoy706 Год назад +157

    right on time with this one DF. It's shame performance modes are starting to not hit 60fps.... crazy times we are hearing about consoles running at 720p-1080p and struggling with fps... it's like we jumped back 2 generations

    • @theanimerapper6351
      @theanimerapper6351 Год назад +43

      Bro Sony and Microsoft just sold people a dream. That 60fps promise was a bigger lie than a cheating spouse

    • @soumenkamila92
      @soumenkamila92 Год назад +28

      ​@@theanimerapper6351 sony never promised 60 fps or power narrative... I guess u jinxed them with xbox

    • @danhobart4009
      @danhobart4009 Год назад +22

      @@soumenkamila92 Lies, xbox doesnt make games anymore.

    • @worlds_greatest_detective6667
      @worlds_greatest_detective6667 Год назад +45

      @@soumenkamila92I already preordered the game but 30fps in 2023 is unacceptable. Ps2 had its games at 60FPS. I’m beyond disappointed and disgusted how weak both consoles are, we definitely need pro versions and this time every game should be 4K 60.

    • @Zeegoku1007
      @Zeegoku1007 Год назад +2

      ​@@theanimerapper6351Sony's first party games knock it out of the park when it comes to image quality or a stable higher frame rate. The dumbass third party developer, especially this generation got no clue or intelligence to optimize their games. That's why even the PC ports with stutter struggle are mostly trash nowadays...

  • @HorseheadNebula85
    @HorseheadNebula85 Год назад +5

    Love that you kept returning to Stillwind's theme throughout the video. I have not been able to stop listening to it since playing the demo.

  • @TheBipolarx
    @TheBipolarx Год назад +68

    I believe I'm nearing the last leg of the game at this point. I remember years ago when I dreamt of have a game that looked like all those beautiful CG cut scenes we would get in the PS1 and PS2 Final Fantasy titles, and now we are as close to that as ever, even better at times. The combat is really solid and I adore the narrative in this game. The hours of cutscenes are completely fine with me as it is telling one of the best stories in the Final Fantasy series. Thanks for the video breaking everything down and going into such great detail.

    • @fernandoblengio
      @fernandoblengio Год назад +7

      Close to PS1 and PS2 CGI Cutscenes? We are past that Graphics wise. FFXVI looks better than any CG Cutscene in the PS1 and 2.

    • @VF5
      @VF5 Год назад +1

      We are 10 years way passed that.

    • @Zeltor
      @Zeltor Год назад +7

      That active time lore or w/e it's called is one of the best unique feature they came up with and I'n sure other games will follow in it's footsteps.

    • @Ventus7777
      @Ventus7777 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@ZeltorI pray this become a default option for all large rpg games

    • @Lonewolf1987
      @Lonewolf1987 11 месяцев назад +1

      Agree 100%

  • @sizzlechest
    @sizzlechest Год назад +9

    Solid review. I like the focus and level of detail and knowledge on light, texture and graphics, don’t see that in most reviews.

  • @adammccabe8672
    @adammccabe8672 Год назад +21

    The work you put into the analytics of this video...brilliant. Thanks for your hard work! Can't wait to play!

  • @Vsevolod3788
    @Vsevolod3788 Год назад +184

    Wow! This video is an art in itself. Very enjoyable to watch like in the old times.

  • @WickedRibbon
    @WickedRibbon Год назад +94

    I absolutely adore John's DF Tech Reviews. The craftmanship of each video is remarkable.

  • @ErenTheWarcriminal
    @ErenTheWarcriminal Год назад +8

    Bravo John, this video is simply amazing. Your knowledge keeps us on the edges of our seats.

  • @theonlyroadforward4512
    @theonlyroadforward4512 Год назад +31

    John, you're hillarious. That grape segment made my day. Great review. After watching this and playing the demo I'm so excited to play the full game.

  • @jm_leviathan
    @jm_leviathan Год назад +84

    One becomes accustomed to hearing certain voices over time, but every so often a video comes along that reminds one that there is nobody quite like John Linneman in full flight. His grasp of the medium in all its breadth and depth is second to none and his genuine love for video games always shines through. Thanks to John and the DF crew, for everything.

    • @dun0790
      @dun0790 Год назад +1

      Agreed

    • @someguy3186
      @someguy3186 Год назад +1

      John (and his DF Retro series) is why I subscribed to this channel. For a "tech review" guy, he has a real appreciation for artistry, and he has a literary way with words that is very rare in the gaming space, often bordering on the poetic (and in fact, he even did a little poetry with the grapes). As an English major, it's something I appreciate. He's a real pleasure to listen to, and his video editing is top notch as well.

  • @markvvelsen
    @markvvelsen Год назад +18

    I'm totally not a FF guy but more of a racing guy but man the quality of video's you guys bring out are so good lately that while watching this I can even get excited for what you guys bring to the table.
    The way of explaining, the passion, the level of detail. No other group of guys can match that and then I haven't even spoken about the editing... Pffff I'm so deeply impressed by that and I believe Oliver does the edits for these video's... Well sir... Hats off to you.
    I'm absolutely deeply impressed and you all can be extremely proud of the work you deliver for this channel. Hope to see a lot more of your work in the future.
    Greets from your neighbour (Dutchman)

    • @LucasCamargo827
      @LucasCamargo827 Год назад

      If you are a racing Guy then go drive a real car not virtual cars lol

  • @jerm5466
    @jerm5466 10 месяцев назад +3

    Such a special game. Great video. Your love for the series really shines through.

  • @weatherfox1
    @weatherfox1 Год назад +7

    No need to apologize for the length! You're attention to detail is what you do best. Keep doing you John!

    • @cyengify
      @cyengify Год назад

      再加上TQQQ 跌了4.3%,但SQQQ只涨了2.3%,三倍ETF会贬值,但是狼王没警告大家不能常持

  • @nitishaggarwal3739
    @nitishaggarwal3739 Год назад +31

    31:09 I am sure that I am gonna be dead by the level of goosebumps I am gonna get at this moment, soundtrack alone is some of the best thing I have ever heard in my life

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Год назад

      Agreed. It’s so good.

    • @xSG1969x
      @xSG1969x Год назад +1

      Music is so good, Soken and Okabe (Nier series) are my favourite game music composers at the moment.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Год назад

      @@xSG1969x Same here. Love their work.

  • @jamjam445
    @jamjam445 Год назад +28

    Its so frustrating that key performance patches come later. I always feel punished for buying it day 1

    • @fernandoblengio
      @fernandoblengio Год назад

      Relax.

    • @jamjam445
      @jamjam445 Год назад +9

      @fernandoblengio didn't realize I wasn't relaxed? If you read my comment in a manic tone, that's on you. Being critical of something is not the same as being manic.

    • @Mirage4492
      @Mirage4492 Год назад

      @@jamjam445 if you're talking about the fps for the game, I think its hardware limitation at this point as even PS5 can barely keep up with FF16's software demands in performance so its pushing the hardware to its limits while keeping it playable and enjoyable as possible. They provided some quality of life improvements though including adjusting motion blur for 1.03 Patch

    • @daspotjoel
      @daspotjoel Год назад +2

      @@Mirage4492i think it's mainly due to ray tracing. Modern consoles struggle w that

    • @jamjam445
      @jamjam445 Год назад +1

      @Mirage4492 I was honestly mostly upset that we didn't have an option at launch to disable motion blur. But that's patched now.

  • @Darkangel6131
    @Darkangel6131 Год назад +4

    720p - 1080p in performance mode 💀 truly next gen

  • @mitchboland9591
    @mitchboland9591 Год назад +114

    How convenient. I was literally just thinking to myself wondering when DF would drop their review

    • @LS95774
      @LS95774 Год назад +6

      Basically the same time everyone else did, on account of the Square Enix embargo lmao

    • @seanpitt27
      @seanpitt27 Год назад +1

      And they say we don’t need pro consoles.. wow it’s not looking good for the next 4 years!

    • @LS95774
      @LS95774 Год назад

      @@seanpitt27 Heh, PC port can't come soon enough, eh?
      Let's hope it turns out better than the AAA releases this year

    • @derekringer7143
      @derekringer7143 Год назад +3

      ​@@LS95774 Yeah was about to say, can't trust PC ports to fix things when they usually turn up even worse lol. If you want 60fps with a reasonable resolution, seems like PC and multiplatform games are still the only way to go. That or keep playing PS4 games on PS5, those look and run pretty great.

    • @ip96.7.21
      @ip96.7.21 Год назад +3

      ​​@@seanpitt27t's not the consoles. Devs are lazy and have outs and excuses. Xbox granted hasn't proved its power yet but ps5. Look at all the exclusives, insomniac for example. SM remastered, SM miles morales, ratchet rift apart. All have performance ray tracing modes. Flawless 1440p 60fps with RT. Look at HFW, 1800p 60fps locked. Ragnarok, Demon souls, tlou part 1. All running superbly. It's the Devs being lazy. The fact we're going back to 30fps being the norm is a joke, unfortunately when it comes to third party pc is the way. This game is a ps5 console exclusive running and looking like absolute sh*t. No excuse it's a joke. This is why I've stopped pre ordering games, I waited to see this video to determine whether or not I was gonna get this. Cause that's modern gaming. You can't just rely on good faith that the game will release in a polished state. It's so bad. I ain't getting this game now. Wait for a deep sale.

  • @TypicallyUniqueOfficial
    @TypicallyUniqueOfficial Год назад +11

    Kinda wild that the base resolution is 720p during combat.

    • @eh-ronlocke7164
      @eh-ronlocke7164 Год назад +1

      You don’t even notice it when you’re playing. Played the demo multiple times on performance mode and not once did I do a double take at it when combat began. Upscaling solves it.

    • @japanesesamurai4945
      @japanesesamurai4945 Год назад +7

      @@eh-ronlocke7164even df said that on the big screens resolution is pretty noticable

    • @Crimsongz
      @Crimsongz Год назад +7

      @@eh-ronlocke7164stop lying

    • @JamieRobert_
      @JamieRobert_ Год назад +2

      @@eh-ronlocke7164it looks like an oil painting

    • @eh-ronlocke7164
      @eh-ronlocke7164 Год назад +1

      Man, y’all circle jerking in here. I guess you all need DF to make up your minds for you.

  • @thiagomendespm
    @thiagomendespm Год назад +2

    It was a blast watching the video, that 35min felt like 10. Great job John!

  • @xSG1969x
    @xSG1969x Год назад +9

    I always knew about DF and what you guys do, seen your test results in reviews on many different websites but I had never actually watched one of your videos. I have now, and I have subscribed.
    These days I just go for performance mode without a second thought, but this video convinced me to start with quality mode and see how that goes.

  • @realcarloscasablanca
    @realcarloscasablanca Год назад +132

    How did I not find Digital Foundry until recently. Great work John and everyone

    • @TheRikuideFurame
      @TheRikuideFurame Год назад +34

      They've been a great source of info for years, but I think console players starting to care about performance vs quality has seen DF get more attention.

    • @xkernalsandersx
      @xkernalsandersx Год назад +12

      Glad you found them! They're amazing and really just give the facts 🙂

    • @realcarloscasablanca
      @realcarloscasablanca Год назад +7

      @@TheRikuideFurame My first technical review and so impressed at the level of detail they go to to give us consumers all the information we need

    • @carlososorno
      @carlososorno Год назад

      The only one good reviewer is Tom, no bias no bullcrap fanboyism, the rest are meh biases cry babies.

    • @Jamic9
      @Jamic9 Год назад

      You weren't looking hard enough

  • @TheMarco0095
    @TheMarco0095 Год назад +6

    I never comment but this time I really feel the need to compliment this beautiful video. Really from start to finish a very good presentation and the passion you've put here almost makes me want to buy a ps5 for this game alone.
    I didn't even felt the length and in fact I would've enjoyed watching more.
    Thank you John!

  • @brucevandermescht6957
    @brucevandermescht6957 Год назад +5

    Mentioning 720p in 2023...truly next gen guys. Coupled with FSR 1 and you've got a blurry looking mess. Think it's best to wait for the PC port later on, I need to play this game at 60fps, but I cannot accept the poor image quality.
    I wonder what all the defenders of the demo have to say now...according to them the demo was an "old build" and the final release should have been perfect. Lol!

  • @JupiterJ0S3PH
    @JupiterJ0S3PH 7 месяцев назад +5

    I feel like Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Remake solidified that the series is no longer held back by technical limitations. These visuals were envisioned by the devs from the start and this is truly how they wanted the series to look.

  • @alexsnow5
    @alexsnow5 Год назад +31

    Amazing tech review John, I played the DEMO yesterday and boy oh boy the story hits hard right from the beginning. Have a wonderful evening everyone!

  • @coliander4180
    @coliander4180 Год назад +111

    I would 100% be happy with a 'balanced' framerate mode that offered 30fps during open world/exploration but cut to 60fps for battles.

    • @minhthuc1232003
      @minhthuc1232003 Год назад +1

      Me too

    • @kaptenteo
      @kaptenteo Год назад +5

      I remember wishing for this while playing FF7R - walking around town is fine at 30 FPS if it looks significantly better, but during combat, it's definitely 60 FPS or bust.

    • @dante19890
      @dante19890 Год назад +5

      thats terrible

    • @whodatninja439
      @whodatninja439 Год назад +8

      no that would be jarring. 40fps no fsr please. it's not rocket science

    • @xtr.7662
      @xtr.7662 Год назад

      @@whodatninja439 it drops into the 30s in some cities and during eikon fights its clear there are cpu and gpu bottlenecks a locked 40 isnt possible

  • @GamingInTheWild
    @GamingInTheWild Год назад +7

    This was a great video. Love the enthusiasm and that nitpicks were identified as being just that. Great attention to detail on lighting. Thanks John!

  • @BPMa14n
    @BPMa14n Год назад +1

    I appreciate the focus on audio quality, and the visuals breakdown

  • @braedonlock3359
    @braedonlock3359 Год назад +11

    Lol it’s so funny how differently xbox and playstation games are judged. The first 20 minutes “wow this game is amazing look at graphics!” Last 10 minutes “oh by the way it hits 720p and drops into the 30’s” don’t say anything in the first20 minutes about how terrible it runs.
    If this was an xbox game it wouldn’t of taken you 20 minutes to mention it runs like absolute shit. You would start the video mentioning it’s horrible performance. Its like you you just brushed 720p 30 FPS to the side and went “oh wow this game looks Amazing! By the way it’s 720p 30fps in performance mode.”

  • @Dansoo
    @Dansoo Год назад +9

    Been waiting for this video for a long time ! Hats off to John for covering this game so in-depth, incredibily excited to play this tomorrow !

  • @hellishdude
    @hellishdude Год назад +53

    Run Time is perfect for a mainline Final Fantasy game. Especially when its excellent like this one. Awesome and detail tech review as always! Wonderful job!

  • @westin556
    @westin556 Год назад +33

    Dips into 720 resolution and choppy performance mode and this is a good launch? Idk I can’t help but feel DF has resigned itself that we will always have bad performance on consoles.
    Had a good laugh when your suggestion was just never to switch to performance so your brain never knows better lol.
    I’m so disappointed with the promises of these next gen consoles. The hopium was real…

    • @sup3rAVATARtlafAN
      @sup3rAVATARtlafAN Год назад

      These next-gen consoles can handle 60fps in certain cases, but when you see how detailed they are and the AMOUNT of systems in work, 30fps in itself is a miracle at times when you really think about it. How Zelda Totk on the switch runs flawlessly is a mystery.

    • @SPG8989
      @SPG8989 Год назад +2

      The amount of systems and detail...in this game....my God no

    • @ZratP
      @ZratP Год назад +6

      Well if you check all the poor PC games recently I would say that it's just the gaming industry and game development problem in general. The PS5 and XSX perform really close to their PC counterparts (a Ryzen 3600X + RX 6700 class) but for 500 bucks (I would even say 400 for the PS5 digital edition).
      On PC to really get performance, you really need to aim for high end components: RX6800/6900/7900 or RTX 3080/3090/4070/4080/4090 to really beat the consoles and all those GPUs alone cost the price of the console or much more, you then have to add the CPU, Mobo, Memory and SSD.
      So credit to consoles makers, with the price point they were targeting, they offer the best they can. I have the feeling that modern development/engines enable easy development but have a lot of overhead in terms of resources consumption. It is unacceptable to see the poor textures of a lot of recent games chugging with 8GB of VRAM, the stutterings due to shaders compilation even on beefy machines etc...

    • @tehCostHD
      @tehCostHD Год назад

      @@SPG8989uhhhh yes? Did you even watch the first half of this review?

    • @NickJJU
      @NickJJU Год назад

      @@sup3rAVATARtlafAN It's definitely not flawless, have you seen how hard the framerate tanks in Kakariko Village?

  • @party_boy69
    @party_boy69 Год назад +5

    Another excellent review! Thanks John and DF team for all the hard work and love you put into your content.
    Now to go and pick up my pre-order :)

  • @mbsfaridi
    @mbsfaridi Год назад +7

    WOW! Nice to see Square Enix is still able to make games like this.

  • @sicparvismagna6526
    @sicparvismagna6526 Год назад +4

    I was actually eating grapes in the grape analysis part. Wholesome moment

  • @MaxIronsThird
    @MaxIronsThird Год назад +5

    Needing to drop to 720p to reach 60fps is crazy, going from high 30's to 60 all the time is jarring as fuck.
    Also using FSR1 to upscale the image doesn't make sense, this is not the Switch, at least use the much better FSR2.

  • @VAANET
    @VAANET Год назад +13

    Ive been playing for a few days now and been using graphics mode in Sanbreque ( performance mode tanks here) while running around and exploring then shifting to performance for big fights. Thanks for confirming this DF!

    • @avalokiteshvara113
      @avalokiteshvara113 Год назад +3

      The game isn't even out yet, do you mean the demo?

    • @lstsoul4376
      @lstsoul4376 Год назад +5

      @@avalokiteshvara113Early physical copy

    • @cb6667
      @cb6667 Год назад +1

      @@avalokiteshvara113he’s capping

    • @aninfinitemindofmusicandreams
      @aninfinitemindofmusicandreams Год назад +2

      ​@cb6667 He isn't. A lotta people got an early copy. I haven't, but in 2016 I had an early copy of FFXV by about a week

    • @VAANET
      @VAANET Год назад +1

      @@cb6667 what you are experiencing right now is queefing and jealousy my guy LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @NickBaysingar
    @NickBaysingar Год назад +53

    This game is a testament to how gorgeous baked lighting still is to this day.

  • @Nolasco.
    @Nolasco. Год назад +11

    Great coverage John, thanks a bunch 😊👍

  • @bushfan020410
    @bushfan020410 Год назад +5

    John.... solid as always.... Demo was awesome... story looks mature, love it!!

  • @leviathon1113
    @leviathon1113 Год назад +20

    720p in 2023? Oof

    • @Bargate
      @Bargate 5 месяцев назад +1

      720p is still fine in the handheld format but yeah not on a console

  • @arikelvara
    @arikelvara Год назад +7

    Sending prayers for them to make a great PC port. Honestly, the "drop settings and resolution during combat" setting would be great on PC too!

    • @extra4542
      @extra4542 Год назад +1

      I think with CBU3 and Yoshi-P being behind this and 14, we’ll be in good hands. They clearly didn’t half ass this game, you can really feel the passion behind it

  • @pshearduk
    @pshearduk Год назад +16

    Great quality, time, effort content as always DF. You have piqued my interest in this release, which I wasn’t sure I would like 🙏🏼

  • @SimonStewart75
    @SimonStewart75 Год назад +149

    Great video. I love the idea of tiered cut scenes. Forbidden West is truly miles ahead of anything in this regard.

    • @GlazeonthewickeR
      @GlazeonthewickeR Год назад +37

      Too bad the game suxxxx

    • @xtr.7662
      @xtr.7662 Год назад +20

      @@GlazeonthewickeR its decent about as good as control another mediocre game praised by people for some reason

    • @25cats
      @25cats Год назад +8

      @@GlazeonthewickeR it's an okay game, nothing too great but nothing to scoff at

    • @samchuks3925
      @samchuks3925 Год назад +43

      @@xtr.7662 "for some reason" because its a good game and alot of reviewers/people enjoy it? I get everyone is entitled to their own opinion and nothing can please everybody, but you act like you have NO clue why this game is praised. like cmon lets not act clueless lol

    • @loldoctor
      @loldoctor Год назад +28

      @@GlazeonthewickeR It's a good game trapped in the body of a bloated open world. I really wish the trend of making every game open world would die already. FFXVI's model of having large, independent spaces is a great middle ground.

  • @fearlessjoebanzai
    @fearlessjoebanzai Год назад +6

    31:50, looks like Gandalf fighting the Balrog!
    This whole game looks gorgeous to my eyes, possibly my favourite visuals so far this generation - particularly the forest sections you show here.

    • @DodderingOldMan
      @DodderingOldMan Год назад +2

      Ha, if you haven't played the game yet, you might not know just how right you are... there's a shot in the game that is a direct copy of the wide shot of Gandalf and the Balrog falling into the deepest depths of Moria. If it's not an intentional homage, I'd be extremely surprised.

  • @gouthamvallavan
    @gouthamvallavan Год назад +4

    So current gen consoles cant even hit 1080p 60fps in new games. Interesting.

  • @kaeltas6
    @kaeltas6 Год назад +6

    11:25 That shot in the forest... just WOW.

    • @Untayza
      @Untayza Год назад +1

      look like modded skyrim.

    • @304enjoyer3
      @304enjoyer3 Год назад

      Just wow choppy 30 fps on ps5 in 2023, wow indeed. Ghost of Tsushima looks better, has rock solid 60 fps and is 3 years older. What a fail

  • @jonotech
    @jonotech Год назад +9

    Brilliant John! Simply brilliant review. Detailed and funny, a pleasure to watch.

  • @nabieladrian
    @nabieladrian Год назад +3

    Can't believe anyone would even think to score this the same as Redfall...

    • @Radek494
      @Radek494 Год назад

      Eurogamer 💀

    • @DavidSmith-bv8mv
      @DavidSmith-bv8mv 8 месяцев назад

      It's the first new main-line FF that I'm currently enjoying ( in 17 years ) that feels as close to what an FF should be thats been missing for a long time ( great story, characters, realism & fantasy elements with over the top spectacle and solid world-lore that's easy to follow with a consistent, banging soundtrack on top ) though it's not perfect but the pros are easily outweighing the cons, in 17 years since FF12 in 2006 on the ol PS2, that's how long its been from an old-school fan, so I don't know what they're ( reviewers ) talking about or this rancid comment section for that matter.

  • @CarloVloet
    @CarloVloet 11 месяцев назад +5

    Probably neckbeard-scratchy, but the main material property (i.e: BRDF property) shown at 6:27 is not Fresnel, it's Rayleigh backscatter.
    Backscatter is a key component of material properties like velvet/silk/suede (especially in generating the dual visual colorations often visible in those materials) or even hair (hair 'halos')
    Fresnel is more of a standard reflectivity component in metalic/dielectric materials, and is a standard inclusion in any Microfacet BRDF model. The Fresnel equations simply quantify the distribution of the light energy reflected and refracted when interacting with a surface, so it has no way to model the fuzzy fiber simulation that causes backscatter (simulation because rasterization or ray tracing of such fine elements defined as geometry would be too expensive).
    And yes, it's likely simulating both (as mentioned, Fresnel is standard in Microfacet BRDFs; energy dissipation is usually modeled in all material shaders!), but the focus in this shot is on a velvet/suede material.
    Also, just because a shader "varies on viewing angle" does not make it a Fresnel material, as many material effects use the surface normal relative to the view vector -> in other words: a cow is indeed an animal, but an animal is not by definition a cow.
    Sorry for the neckbeard scratching, but because of the high standards set for DF, this seems like a fair correction.

  • @eetdarichmarx7423
    @eetdarichmarx7423 Год назад +7

    I just don't understand the state of optimization lately. If Guerilla could get Forbidden West to run 60fps at 1600p, surely 1080p 60 is possible for FF 16.

    • @xtr.7662
      @xtr.7662 Год назад

      the performance mode is 1800p checkerboarded upscaled from somewhere around 1080p resolution but its absolutely incredible after the patches that fixed the problems with the checkerboarded, this games already drops to 720p internally at its lowest for battles to hit 60 as mentioned in the video so it wouldnt fix anything what would is to downscale the graphics which is something that they apparently dont wanna do

    • @teddyholiday8038
      @teddyholiday8038 Год назад

      They used checkerboarding

    • @eetdarichmarx7423
      @eetdarichmarx7423 Год назад

      @@xtr.7662 upscaled... Horizon had an internal res of either 1440p or 1600p then upscaled at 60 fps (If you had the right screen it was indiscernible from 4k and running at 40 fps). Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to play FF. It's just annoying that these companies don't give their engines enough time to be properly optimized. 720p upscaled for sub 60 fps... That's not good any way you cut it. neither is 1080p upscaled for 30

    • @eetdarichmarx7423
      @eetdarichmarx7423 Год назад

      @@teddyholiday8038 Yes, but the internal res was 1440p or 1600p with some dynamic dips if I remember correctly. 720p then upscaled is a totally different and infinitely more disappointing story.

    • @teddyholiday8038
      @teddyholiday8038 Год назад +1

      @@eetdarichmarx7423 checkerboarding isn’t like FSR upscaling, two entirely different techniques. Checkerboarding is way better than FSR 1.0. Really sad that this game uses FSR 1.0, it’s awful. FSR is decent if you’re using 2.2

  • @8bitmalfunction242
    @8bitmalfunction242 Год назад +10

    Great video John, can tell how much you enjoyed making, reviewing and playing FF16, the forest scene looks fantastic, the amount of detail on display with the lighting looks like it truely belongs on current gen.

  •  Год назад +4

    The grape graphical review was so stellar.

  • @turnbasedtoddy7664
    @turnbasedtoddy7664 Год назад +16

    John is the man! It’s going to be a sad day if he ever leaves Digital Foundry. These videos are just so well put together. (The DF Retro video’s being my favorite)

  • @InvictusRed1911
    @InvictusRed1911 Год назад +12

    16:06 actual geometry and meshes, consider my mind blown at the amount of care the art direction was given

  • @DrStoCazzo
    @DrStoCazzo Год назад +5

    i swear the sound track is disgustingly good. I really felt a shiver i had'nt felt since ffX

    • @xSG1969x
      @xSG1969x Год назад

      if you enjoyed this try to find some tracks from FF14 they are also very very good. I would also recommend music from the Nier games, different style but some of the best soundtrack ever created IMO.

    • @DrStoCazzo
      @DrStoCazzo Год назад

      @@xSG1969x i already appreciated Nier, popola and devola boss fight theme will forever be in my heart

  • @desmond3245
    @desmond3245 Год назад +32

    By now I think most people won't take "open world" as positive anymore as it often implies massive open areas which are largely empty, boring and repetitive.

    • @Bahamut3525
      @Bahamut3525 Год назад

      Open world is just unnecessary. Large zones are way enough.

  • @Harly206
    @Harly206 Год назад +5

    its a problem when starfield does it but no one batts an eye when final fantasy runs better at 30fps. they shouldve just made a 40fps mode.

  • @gdx1037
    @gdx1037 Год назад +20

    720p!? Oh boy.
    I love that number.

    • @wiegraf9009
      @wiegraf9009 Год назад

      So pogged to be back in the early 00s again

  • @complicatedchimp
    @complicatedchimp Год назад +24

    Always grapeful for your excellent work John.

  • @MikeRavia-xp5ig
    @MikeRavia-xp5ig Год назад +3

    Blows my mind that i have to even consider playing my my ps5 game in 30fps. Games shouldn't even be made in anything but 60fps. Damn we were promised 120 fps.

  • @carrmic
    @carrmic Год назад +2

    Excellent work as always. I really appreciate your attention to so many details of the game. I like the inclusion of sections covering various audio aspects in recent reviews. Keep up the outstanding work.

  • @mattlandry
    @mattlandry Год назад +39

    What a high production video. Great work!

    • @MobileTechGaming
      @MobileTechGaming Год назад

      Only issue with 16 is the ps5 exclusivity. I have my copy coming later today but would have preferred it on pc

    • @mbsfaridi
      @mbsfaridi Год назад

      @@MobileTechGamingIt would’ve not been this polished if this wasn’t a timed or platform exclusive.

  • @magicjack4076
    @magicjack4076 Год назад +6

    So to get 60 fps we need to drop down to 720 p… and doesn’t get locked 60 while exploring.
    There’s no point of a performance mode it it can’t reach locked 60
    I guess it’s shouldn’t be a problem that starfield is only 30 fps now then?

    • @raskolnikov6443
      @raskolnikov6443 Год назад

      Hardly comparable games. Starfield is such a huge and complex game.

  • @arekqor27
    @arekqor27 11 месяцев назад +1

    Just finished the game yesterday~ loved it. Thanks for the video. The Grape part was great ! 🤣

  • @ianrice1778
    @ianrice1778 Год назад +18

    That part with him running up the stairs with the wind and dirt blowing around looked so amazing! Mind blown 🤯

    • @warumsindalleso
      @warumsindalleso Год назад +6

      Mid

    • @originalityisdead.9513
      @originalityisdead.9513 Год назад +4

      ​@warumsindalleso
      Fanboys will praise anything, this game looks incredibly mediocre in fidelity mode and horrendous in performance mode.

    • @xSG1969x
      @xSG1969x Год назад +10

      @@originalityisdead.9513 get your eyes checked

    • @TheAtlasRises
      @TheAtlasRises Год назад

      @@originalityisdead.9513 mental illness

    • @Rexyer1
      @Rexyer1 Год назад +2

      @@originalityisdead.9513 bait

  • @gabor3432
    @gabor3432 Год назад +5

    Imagine playing in 720p resolution in 2023....
    If we continue this path, 60fps modes will run in 360p by the end of the generation...
    Why is it so hard to optimize games? They cant blame the weak jaguar cpu-s anymore...

  • @vede89
    @vede89 Год назад +12

    Just wish the exploration mode will be fixed for 60 fps , i find hard to play at 30

    • @sup3rAVATARtlafAN
      @sup3rAVATARtlafAN Год назад

      You get used to very quickly, I prefer stability so I'll quality mode. The graphics and visuals are amazing so it helps with an even better picture quality, but I understand if a majority find 30fps hard to play at.

    • @xtr.7662
      @xtr.7662 Год назад

      it wont be fixed its not as simple as hitting a button it must be cpu bottlenecked by the looks of it

  • @braedenblack6116
    @braedenblack6116 Год назад +5

    I have a 120htz tv that supports vrr. so I love it when dev provide either a 40 fps mode or an unlocked quality mode.

    • @imhoXD
      @imhoXD 3 месяца назад

      Idk, i have a new tv and even with vrr enabled i can notice alot of fps dips

  • @jonofthedawnn
    @jonofthedawnn Год назад +5

    Please we don't need 30fps ever again! wtf is going on man?

  • @BGLNZ
    @BGLNZ Год назад +78

    I have become such a fan of 60fps in the past year or so that I think I’m gonna have to play it in performance especially since it seems to be stable in combat. The 60fps in combat is where I think it really counts specifically for this game. Having that fast fluid combat at 60.

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 Год назад +24

      Except that resolution drop is almost Switch level bad, I would personally prefer a reasonably sharp image at lower framerate if the alternative was a smudged image.

    • @whodatninja439
      @whodatninja439 Год назад +19

      it's more like 50fps lol, can drop down to 720p. jedi survivor all over again

    • @TerraWare
      @TerraWare Год назад +3

      @@yellowblanka6058 I didn't think the IQ was bad playing the demo personally. What kind of bothered me most was framerate because it stands out.

    • @whodatninja439
      @whodatninja439 Год назад +23

      as always digital foundry recommends the 30fps. why the hell should we play at 30fps on a ps5????

    • @holden4620
      @holden4620 Год назад +28

      Yea DF continually recommends 30 and then I put it on 30 and it’s just so unplayable for me . Part of me wishes I never experienced 60 so I can just stick to the quality mods, but atlas I cannot.

  • @danfry909
    @danfry909 Год назад +35

    Excellent work, John. Epic tech review, beautifully written & produced.

  • @JoaoFederle
    @JoaoFederle Год назад

    just like tiered cutscenes, there are tiered DF videos, and john's are always A tier.

  • @chibii-chan047
    @chibii-chan047 Год назад +5

    oh boy, 30 fps ? here we go again.

  • @MichaelCordeiro
    @MichaelCordeiro Год назад +48

    You will not find better grape coverage on the internet. Excellent video as always.
    EDIT: And don't apologize for the long runtime! This is 100% the best kind of video game review video on RUclips. Superb!

  • @dominicanag1032
    @dominicanag1032 Год назад +6

    Great review! I can not wait to play this game tomorrow. The demo definitely sold me on a day one purchase.

  • @killerbeij84
    @killerbeij84 Год назад +3

    I can't believe this game gets 8s 9s and 10s. Every other game of the last year in this state got slaughtered.

    • @shinramiddlemanager7949
      @shinramiddlemanager7949 Год назад +4

      It's a cabal. The devs, the publishers, the games media...all in it together. Then we have the fanatics online who try and gaslight everybody who can perceive as the clear as day the framerate fluctuations and resolution drops. All you can do as a consumer is withhold your money and play something else. No video game is essential.

  • @almightyjackj
    @almightyjackj Год назад +28

    You guys do such great work! Blown away by the consistent quality. Fantastic video.

    • @transfo47
      @transfo47 Год назад

      I was just about to say, this video is incredibly high quality.

  • @DirEnGay
    @DirEnGay Год назад +5

    Awesome video, loved every minute of it. Never apologise for the runtime, I'd happily watch a 3 hour or 12 part series of videos on a game with this level of passion and deep analysis.
    As for the performance mode. It really bummed me out. After playing the demo in quality mode and having what I can only describe as a near console-bricking experience during the Phoenix Ifrit fight it worried me into playing the remainder of the game in quality mode, so when it launched I started in performance mode but it was actually making me miserable and ruined the first couple of hours of the game for me until I eventually switched back to quality mode, and yeah despite being 30FPS and combat feeling more sluggish as a result, it's something you get used to very fast, and it's ran very smooth ever since.

  • @cruzwayne9883
    @cruzwayne9883 Год назад +3

    The one thing that no one is talking about is how slow it is opening some doors. Especially for a new generation game.

  • @ChristopherMichael180
    @ChristopherMichael180 Год назад +1

    When you talked about the great soundtracks it reminded me how much I listened to “The Gapra Whitewood” after FFXIII came out. 🎶🎶💖 such a zen track

  • @Megamanbrasileiro
    @Megamanbrasileiro Год назад +11

    60 FPS still the best pc exclusive.

    • @robosergTV
      @robosergTV Год назад +1

      PC players play at 100+ FPS, 60 FPS is very choppy same as 30 FPS is choppy

  • @LtSokol
    @LtSokol Год назад +30

    The music, especially the boss battles, is alone worthwhile picking the game up. I haven't been this excited for the title in a long time.
    Look forward to jumping into FF16 world this weekend.
    Excellent review John, thank you.

  • @kennethfegley7552
    @kennethfegley7552 Год назад +3

    Everybody's using FSR when Insomniac had far-better TAA even on PS4

  • @xxbiohatchetxx
    @xxbiohatchetxx 11 месяцев назад +1

    Have a great and blessed day!!!

  • @GENKI_INU
    @GENKI_INU Год назад +4

    You give developers an inch by offering hardware that can do 4K 60 FPS...
    And somehow developers take a mile, just 2 years later by turning that into 720p 60 FPS.
    This is a PS5 exclusive too, meaning they had ONE JOB.

  • @mjoe7561
    @mjoe7561 Год назад +10

    Not got time to watch this yet but I just know it'll be a good one when it's an over half an hour tech review by John

  • @Eu023
    @Eu023 Год назад +1

    Great video John! I usually prefer shorter videos but I enjoyed this one in all its length.