For the grenade the style of pineapple casing on the grenade i'd say for world war one grenades was more typical of entente grenades like a mills bomb or f1 but more generally i'd say the closest match would be the Japanese Type 97 of ww2.
I wouldn’t be suprised if GW introduced a new type of grenade for the imperium forces, if you didn’t know, The US Marines is Experimenting and probably has issued the MK21 Mod 0 Scaleable offensive hand grenade. Where you can stack grenades on top of each other to increase the explosive yield, one is about as powerful as a regular grenade, and then it multiplies with each subsequent grenade, you can stack them up to make a breaching/satchel charge for demolishing buildings or walls.
@@benjamintherogue2421 yeah that’s the point. To be able to deny the enemy a structure if necessary, they’re literally designed to be a breach charge for concrete walls. You could blow a hole open in every room of a house and clear it with zero casualties, eventually the terrorists/insurgents will lose enough ground to where they can’t do anything significant to the locals.
The video to end all debate about the Krieg Uniform. Some suggestions by viewers: 02:20 The red contrast is in fact likely from the French 1914 Uniform 07:39 The United States had a shovel with a crossed handle But if you don't agree, fight till the death in the comment section!! :) For this video the voicework was done by my friend Shaun.
I would fight to the death about the disagreements I have about your uniform analysis. but I'm a true kriegsman and already called in a artillery strike on our location.
Thank the emperor for narration. I find it hard keeping up with writing, mostly because i watch my youtube while doing other stuff and only focus of i hear there is something i must see. Keep the good work. Kinda weird having someone else do the voice work but what ever makes you happy gas mask noises, i guess.
I've rather recently read that the crest on top of the Adrians Helmet and the Firefighter helmet isn't purely cosmetic or to cover up ventilation holes it apparently also increases its resistance against debris that falls directly onto the helmet.
2:14 During the start of the war(1914-1915) the french uniform had this type of red contrasts. And french officers kept some red on their uniform during the whole war.
Oh bloody hell you're right. They had some kind of red patch with regimental numbers on it. Can't believe I missed that. Welp -1 for Germans it is then.
@@Janovich You don't need to take the -1 for Germany, since the red contrasts on the German uniforms where so iconic, the early versions of this even gave the German Flag the red sripe. Edit: The Red Contrast is in the tradiotion of the "Lützowsches Freikorps", an unit in the Prussian Army during the Prussian-Napolionic Campain. They had Black Uniforms, with Red contrasts and Golden buttons.
Yeah but this designe at the start was big problem because it made it really easy to spot the french, and if i remember correkt during this time the french had massiv loses.
@@Wolfkiler2010 this one red part was not a big issue, but at the start of the war french soldiers had red pants and red kepis (a sort of french military cap). And it's these clothes that were really disadvantageous, making soldiers real targets on the battlefield. The pants were changed to blue, and the kepis replaced by blue kepis and then by the Adrian helmet to protect soldiers from shrapnel.
Not into WH 40K that much but as a history buff, this uniform catches my eye. Two things I;d like to add: 1: The rifle most resembles the US Army M1918 Browning Auto-Rifle. As such the bayonet could also resemble the US M1917 bayonet which also has sort of a leaf shape... and also came in a variant featuring a saw-toothed top edge. 2: The metal can at the bottom of the backpack (I have seen some depictions with this) resembles the Wehrmacht gas mask can from WWII.
The high collar could also be a nod to the Imperial uniforms. The German überrock (overcoat) had a high collar in a contrast colour, most usually red, and considering that other Krieg uniforms, namely the officer uniform, also uses details from both British and German ceremonial uniforms, I wouldn't discount the possibility of that being the case. I have incidentally done far more research than I probably need to, in the interest of building a Krieg commanding officer costume.
Other than the backpack style being an exclusively german thing, as I have seen iterations with the "U" shaped folded coat around the top before with other soldiers, (I mean to be fair that is literally the best way to carry a large coat, tarp etc - but I certainly do picture german backpacks as the go to for it) and the red colour thing somebody else already mentioned, I don't have any real points of contention. Maybe your odd adherence to the colour brown haha? But I jest, a cracking video mate. I'm glad to have more people recognising the various sources of inspiration that goes into the death korps. It's a bit sad when the Guard regiment that is meant to be the analogy of the western front trench warfare of the great war gets devolved to simply ' shovel wielding germans in space' as it more often than not does on the internet.
I expected the Germans to have the most influence on the krieg wargear cus there based off of the Germans. Even their home planet is called the German word for war
If you think about it, their Rifle counds as American insperation as well, due to it's imilarities with the Browning Automatic Rifle or BAR. Not to mention, you count the Leman Russ tank as British inperation due to it's design being directly inspired by the Mark (MK-1, MK-IV, MK-V, etc) landships.
Thank you for keeping going even with the Sword of GWocles hanging over your head. I know it's not what you were planning on doing, but hearing your breakdown and analysis was exactly what I needed as a pick up this morning.
Funnily enough the crest isn’t actually decorative! It was originally meant to protect against downwards slashing motions against the top. Since we see it so frequently nowadays you can assume it’s usefulness
I would say that while the uniform is very German, I think the weapons are more French than anything else. The banded barrels on both the Lasguns and heavy stubbers are clearly inspired by the Hotchis M1914 French heavy machine gun.
For the grenade, I suggest it is roughly inspired by the Austrian zeitzunder rod grenade, which has a pre-fragmented body almost exactly the same. For the shoulder pads, I think they are inspired by the experimental american, light armor, with arm defenses No.5 and also by the issued Italian farina armor. I think the ammo pouches are also inspired by the Italian m1907 equipment, or even the Austrian m1895 cartridges pouches, as the Italian has almost the same proportion and the austrian has the same button, tho is flater. for the shovel well it's most likely a scaled down general service shovel, that was both used in maintenance of the trench and in assaults to fortify a taken position. For the gasmask, well although I can't deny the inspiration from the small box, it looks more like what I've seen from respirators, which were devices which uses primitives oxygen tanks, and where used in fixed or important position. Devices that come to mind are the draeger (both used by France and Germany) series and the French Tissot. Otherwise pretty spot on
4:25 Interstingly enought, the crest on Adrian helmet has also a protective role, as it is suppose to portect from projectiles comming from straigth ahead by deflecting them rather than letting them impact the flatish top of the helmet. Which strikes me as quite trench-warfare oriented since most threats (artillery) are gonna come from above, so good detail to add to the Kriegers aside from looks I guess?
I know that its an oldish video but: There actually are historical helmets that combined the general shape of the stalhelm and the adrian ventilation comb, the Polish wz. 28 helmet and the Soviet SSh 36 (as well as mentioned in the video many fire fighter helmets). Tall collars were common in Austro-Hungarian (early war versions anyway) and Russian armies though those were standing collars rather than the stand and fall collars like the Kreigers seem to have have.
This doubles as a fun WH40k project, and now a real-world history lesson as well! I see you're really starting to develop your manner of speaking for your channel as well. It was very fun to listen to you on this subject. Excellent work, good sir.
Well, I came for some general Death Korps lore, I came away with a history lesson on various equipment of the Great War. And a new item of clothing I ought to add to my outdoor wear arsenal.
I think the shovel is a cross between the stand German trench shovel and the American M1910 which had a more spiked shape than the German or French counterparts as well as the Americans used a crossed handle. Though the handle wasn't naked wood, but instead used a stamped tube welded together that was less likely to fracture than the wood and was better as a melee weapon, but would often bend under heavy use. The M1910 saw extremely limited use during ww1 as Americans dug few trenches, mostly occupying French and British trenches. But it did see extensive use with the USMC during WW2.
In my opinion, the uniform is really a German design, since ww2 German great coats were also double breasted, and the cuffs remind me more of Swedish sleeve cuffs which Germany also used. That said I’m pretty sure German troops also used puttees from the onset of the war as well. But by far, the Death Korps engineers look far more like Germans than the standard infantryman, in uniform consistency.
Germans mostly went into the War with brown leather boots. They only switched to putties as a necessity when leather became scarcer throughout the war and boots could no longer be manufactured. Yeh I agree the other Troops are a completely different ballgame.
@@Janovich well yes but no. There were also the so called Schnürschuhe which are nothing more than low boots that were used in conjunction with puttees. Strangely enough these were often used more by officers.
Plus the front folding backwards was also common to german coats (both the early war ones and the M15 one). It was a feature originating from the regimental coats of 1700-1814 cca.
Actually, I think I recall seeing photographs of US Doughboys using Shovels with a T-Handle. I forget where and when I saw them. So many photos exist of the war. Some US Army units also used French Adrian Helmets. Most notably, the Harlem Hellfighters of the 369th Regiment. The US Army, unofficially, used a belt with a single strap on it as well. Post-War, these were confiscated when US soldiers returned home because they were not regulation uniform components, despite how iconic the belt had become. I think the US soldiers also used patties, was it? Well, the wraps around the legs I believe were adopted were the same as the British. I also recall seeing some US Uniform designs with the high collar that the Death Korps use as well. High collars were a common theme among civilian attire for men. I know the US Army had a high collar uniform design, I write fanfiction and was in need of a uniforms for a fictional school in one of my stories, and I came across a picture of a Reenactor wearing a Doughboy uniform with a high collar. The high collar, though, appears to have been quickly eliminated. The thing was described as uncomfortable and was not retained for later uniforms. I think it was actually used on the US Army's Trench Coat at the time. Most images we see, are of US Doughboys without their trench coats. It could also be a technicality. Some later trench coats did feature a higher collar as there are artist and photographic pictures of soldiers with high collared trench coats. I believe some later trench coats were also designed with high collars in popular media as well. If I recall right, there was actually an attempt to use shoulder guards in conjunction with helmets. I recall there were a number of programs, some in the USA, and the rest elsewhere for shoulder guards. But none of those programs panned out as the armor offered little protection overall for increased weight and provided discomfort to the soldiers. Another possibility of the shoulder guards is that they are a fantasy element or a retroactively added addition. Since all of the Imperial Guard have shoulder guards. As do a number of modern, real-world militaries, though when Warhammer 40,000 was first created, I don't think those were even in thought. I think the US Army also used squared off ammo pouches as well. They were not retained when the US Army found better gear. The US Armed Forces actually used a number of European concepts. There were even a number of US Navy Cruisers built with the Tumblehome Design that France was using on its Pre-Dreadnoughts. The costs and concerns with the design at the time led the US Navy to obviously switch to a more convention design at the time until the Zumwalt-class was constructed. Actually, the US Military would import many European weapons for years and make use of them. The 37mm Anti-Tank and Tank Guns the US Army started out the Second World War with, were actually licensed built German designs modified slightly for American use and that had nothing to do with the guns themselves, despite repeated upgrades to the 37mm guns themselves, but were more to do with elevation and direction as well as the tow hooks. The Germans somewhat complicated their own carriages for the 37mm as well as a couple of controls. The US Army simplified them or found them inadequate and replaced them with something homegrown. The 57mm Anti-Tank Gun the US Army adopted was just the 6-pdr Anti-Tank Gun the British were using, right down to the ammunition. Only a few small changes were made to the carriages and attempts to improve its capabilities were also carried out. The 57mm was a terrible Anti-Personnel Gun and had issues with accuracy out to beyond 1,000 yards and yet 1,000 yards was its prime combat zone with it becoming increasingly less effective as Tanks got closer rather than better. The British were figuring that quirk out too, when the 75mm replaced it as an Anti-Tank Gun, followed by other ATGs before ATGMs took over. Anyways, history aside, it could be that some aspects of the Death Korps are also not strictly First World War. Especially when you realize they have advanced Mechanized Forces and are the only ones allowed to use Combined Arms Units. So, expanding the horizon is a possibility. Actually, if I recall right, the British were the last military to field horse-mounted Lancers. Before the front became static and therefore, the lance was made useless. Of course, it was already useless and the British with them didn't want them! The same issue plagued a US Army Cavalry Regiment also issued Lances in the latter half of the 19th Century. They were quick to get rid of them and replace them with Carbines and Sabers, before ultimately getting rid of the latter for daggers and knives.
I like to believe that because the 1st World War had such an incalculable impact on human psyche, some echo of it appeared in the Warp or in the common psyche of Humanity. And somehow it influenced the Kriegers to create this uniform by integrating elements from many different countries that fought in this war. Maybe that as an aftermath of their civil war, the constant trench warfare and the loss of value for human life during this conflict was pushed to such an extent that it became some kind of morbid caricature of WW1, and as we know the warp love that kind of story, so maybe something that has been created by the trauma of the 1st WW, somewhere in the warp, was empowered by the Krieg's Civil War and started to influence them in some way. Or that it has been such a traumatic event that it imprinted itself on the fabric of human culture, so that 40 000 years ago, when all knowledge of this war has long since vanished from the archives stack and memories of Humanity, It still influence Humanity in the 41st Millenium. As we know that the first murder of humanity created an entity in the warp that looked like Abel (or the other one I don't remember), it is possible that there exist an entity in the warp that echoes the WW1, I would like to imagine it appearing to humans as an adolescent with an uniform that kinda looks like the one from Krieg, but oversized so that it does not fit the wearer. It would not speak, and the only thing you could hear while in it's presence is it's quiet wailing, but that this whailing carries with it all the horror, sadness and absurdity of the conflict, forcing mortals to take in all the suffering of the entire war in an instant, shattering their minds utterly. Maybe a bit overpowerd, it being absolutely impossible to get rid of, like the trauma from this war, and it's wails being psychicly carried across an entire world for everyone to hear, as it makes them slowly lose all joy and drive as they are slowly impregnated with the absurdity of their lives and of the Imperium, as they realize that the galaxy does not hate humanity, it hates itself at an existential level, so that trying to improve their lives and the Imperium is pointless. (Sry for the grammar/orthograph mistakes, I'm not a native speaker and I should realy go to sleep)
thats very insightful! I was aware how much of it was french and german but couldn't put my finger on what it was thats not quite right. of course, now you've mentioned it the collar is the obvious odd-one-out! nice breakdown of all the possible influences.
Great breakdown of the uniform and basic equipment utilized by a Death Korps Guardsman! It's good to see the other powers on the western front having their inspired pieces represented. Most people really dig the German vibe and give these guys a German accent in their minds for a lot of reasons, one being that the planet's name was Krieg, of all things. Definitely appreciate the points for the French and British though. Wonderful video bro! Bis später!
I always thought the gas mask to be a more framed version of a 1915 gas mask. The mask may bo big but it covers the whole face and you can easily put a helmet on that
These guys would look really cool with French Appareil respiratoire tissot gas masks. The deflector pipes on the front would match the dieselpunky theme very well.
shovel handle is a U.S. M1910 E-tool, I know not listed as one of the countries in this video. Also the rifle? Las-rifle? is similar to a wwi U.S. M1918 BAR although it also has some elements of other European rifles and LMGs of the era I'm new to 40k so I don't really know the terms for things yet
Finally someone breaking it down. I grew tired correcting people who were like "Ahaa, Kriegers are WW1 germans on steroids.." or smth like that. Basically it is just the shape of the helmet and nothing else. Edit: Okay, a few things more than the helmet.^^ And concerning the collar of the trenchcoat. It's design looks 18th - 19th century coat more than anything else. Adds to the anachronism which, imo, is the fascinating aspect of this and a few other Guardregiments. Think of the Praetorians for example.
Two things real quick, the Death Riders and Krieg Officers are both inspired by French Cavalry in helmet and uniform aswell as that shovel looking like an American Entrenchment tool from WWII. Oh wait I just realized the Lucious Pattern Lasgun also resembles the U.S. made Browning Automatic Rifle.
Some depictions of cavalry and officers are brighter reminding me of the French however I don't think it is so cut and dry. Germans had cuirassiers as well. So the breastplate doesn't make it certain that they are French. While the helmet is relatively similar to the infantry helmet but with a more elaborate crest. Which certainly is a similarity for French cavalry but the ceremonial uniforms of the German heavy cavalry was not all that different (specifically the Cuirassiers and Bavarian Heavy Cavalry). As for the sword, the basic "P-guard" was common but many (especially heavy cavalry) had complex guards similar to the ones the Krieger sabers are shown to have. Thought the French sabers certainly fit the look as well. French Hotchkiss machine guns also look similar. It's full name Lucious no. 98 is a German influence however, based on the Mauser 98 rifle/KAR98 carbine variant.
@@gokbay3057 the Death Riders and Officers Cuirass is specifically based on French Calvary not the Germans, Grenadiers and Engineers on the other hand specifically wear German WWI Lobster Armor. The only thing German about Krieg Officers and Death Riders are their knee high boots which were the German standard up until they lost WWII. The Luscious Pattern Lasgun has zero resemblance to the Kar 98 or any other German rifle from WWI or II. It is just a B.A.R. with some radiator fins attached to the barrel.
@@MrPikaGammer 1. Tbh Knee High Boots are standard for cavalry everywhere. You kinda need the protection of the leather. Thought for some half chaps/gaiters are worn over short boots to replicate the effect (also a lot of modern non-professional riders do not have specialised riding boots so wear gaiters over the shoes for protection. I was taking riding lessons 8 years or so ago (before I started highschool, I recently graduated from university) and I wore those on top of my regular shoes. I have always loved the idea of owning a pair of tall boots, shame they are commonly only sold for women nowadays). 2. Yeah, I said the name, not the look.
@@gokbay3057 I was more mentioning the knee high boots because of the Kreig Officers who tend to not be on horseback and unlike regular Kriegers don't wear ankle high boots and putties. Honestly yeah it is a shame that knee high boots for men have pretty much disappeared, what you can find are sadly rotting and the leather has turned brittle.
@@MrPikaGammer I think it is mentioned in the fluff somewhere that the (higher) Krieg Officers tend to be ex-Death Riders even if they are commanding infantry, armour or artillery. Because Death Riders are chosen with independent thinking as a preferred quality, which tends to make decent officer material if they survive enough battles to be promoted. And that even after being reassigned they like to keep the knee high boots instead going back to putees because it is more comfortable.
I think that the armor of some of the kriegers kinda reminds me a farina class armor, used by the Italians in WWI, the armors weren't effective,it were easly pierceable, their only purpose was to make the soldiers feel invincibile while suicide charging under the command of Luigi Cadorna
Before watching I am going to take a swing and try and guess what the elements are. The helmet looks like a German Stahlhelm with a crest inspired by the French M15 Adrian helmet. The gasmask looks like a German gasmask crossed with a British box respirator. The trench coat looks like it's inspired by a French model (the inspiration looks very obvious in the official artwork depicting the DKK with more blue toned uniforms). The puttees, while commonly associated with British soldiers/soldiers from the British Empire, were something that were also somewhat commonly used by the other combatants as well. The webbing and ruck sack look pretty German while the grenade looks like a French F1 or a British Mills Bomb. The shovel looks like it takes inspiration from an American model due to its T shaped handle (a lot of European entrenching tools of the time tended to either have a plain handle or a knob). Edit: looks like I generally came to the same conclusions, though I managed to completely overlook the bayonet.
I thought the collar of the outfit was based on (ww1) russian trench coats, that's what I've been using as reference for a death korp model I'm working on anyways
For the most part it looks like equal parts french and equal parts British with German being the predominant source for esthetics. However I would love to see what alternative designs would be like such as equal parts french and German but predominantly British or french etc.
the fighting style of the death Korps most likely resembles the USMC and Imperial Japan. With the USMC refusing to retreat when the British and French told them to. The US Marines then donned their gas masks and then got into extremely bloody close combat with shovels and bayonets. the Japanese part of the fighting is because of their love for their emperor and willingness to die for him while doing bayonet charges.
Not strictly an uniform but a fact none the less - near the end of WW1 russians developed Death Battalions - their purpose was to assault enemy positions. They were also tasked with handling deserters, routers and surrenderers. Maybe that was a bit (and the only bit at that) from WW1 russia.
Military collector here! if you want to cosplay using ww1 stuff be very careful with gasmasks I have seen people using GP5 gasmasks and those filters have asbestos
I the one thing I wished is that their vehicles were ww1 based like the leman russ could be the Mark 1 through 5 maybe the bane blade could have been the unfinished k wagens like they did the troops why not go the full length and do the vehicles.
im really not sure how to feel about that ... kriegers , on Holy Terra , starting to make there Kit ..... XD thank you , i love following your Progress
Congratz, Janovich. With the fall of Bruva Alfabusa, you are the last one standing (I think) who's on the up and rise. Do you... still plan to continue, given the 'zero tolerance' policy they have stated towards fanimations?
1:26 “Let’s start with one of the most iconic pieces of equipment.”
The shovel!
“The trench coat.”
im disappointed
true that
So basically it's a French/British uniform with a bunch of German stuff stapled on top of it.
Sounds about right
Well, bar the helm and mask
Franco-British style. German efficiency
German science is the best in the world
And a german Name. Krieg means War. so sutiable for Krieghammer :D
For the grenade the style of pineapple casing on the grenade i'd say for world war one grenades was more typical of entente grenades like a mills bomb or f1 but more generally i'd say the closest match would be the Japanese Type 97 of ww2.
I wouldn’t be suprised if GW introduced a new type of grenade for the imperium forces, if you didn’t know, The US Marines is Experimenting and probably has issued the MK21 Mod 0 Scaleable offensive hand grenade. Where you can stack grenades on top of each other to increase the explosive yield, one is about as powerful as a regular grenade, and then it multiplies with each subsequent grenade, you can stack them up to make a breaching/satchel charge for demolishing buildings or walls.
@@slyllamademon2652 You know some Marines are going to abuse this system and blow up an entire building with just grenades.
@@benjamintherogue2421 yeah that’s the point. To be able to deny the enemy a structure if necessary, they’re literally designed to be a breach charge for concrete walls. You could blow a hole open in every room of a house and clear it with zero casualties, eventually the terrorists/insurgents will lose enough ground to where they can’t do anything significant to the locals.
You don't think it would be the shtielhander? Like the German WW2 grenade - I mean ideally not was it actually modeled
@@codykrueger796 stick grenades could be thrown further than the allied pineapple looking grenades, but had a smaller explosive charge on the end
The video to end all debate about the Krieg Uniform.
Some suggestions by viewers:
02:20 The red contrast is in fact likely from the French 1914 Uniform
07:39 The United States had a shovel with a crossed handle
But if you don't agree, fight till the death in the comment section!! :)
For this video the voicework was done by my friend Shaun.
Have you seen the recent inspiration thread on the DKoK reddit?
@@arnekrug939 No I haven't
I would fight to the death about the disagreements I have about your uniform analysis.
but I'm a true kriegsman and already called in a artillery strike on our location.
Thank the emperor for narration.
I find it hard keeping up with writing, mostly because i watch my youtube while doing other stuff and only focus of i hear there is something i must see.
Keep the good work.
Kinda weird having someone else do the voice work but what ever makes you happy gas mask noises, i guess.
@@Janovich You should take a look. It agrees with some points you made while it also expands on other equipment from the rest of the DKoK.
I've rather recently read that the crest on top of the Adrians Helmet and the Firefighter helmet isn't purely cosmetic or to cover up ventilation holes it apparently also increases its resistance against debris that falls directly onto the helmet.
If I recall correctly, It also weakens it as there are now holes drilled into the helmet. Something about structural integrity, or along those lines
Þat is more or less þe reason for þe Pickel on þe Pickelhaube. It was meant to deflect Axe and sword attacks from þe top
@@maxkreuzerwhat.
@@cac_deadlyrang yeah i don't know if his point is correct
And those wierd symbols are pronounced as "th" incase you were confused
@@hello.mynameisconnor9225 I know. The fact that they were used _at all_ is why I said that.
2:14 During the start of the war(1914-1915) the french uniform had this type of red contrasts. And french officers kept some red on their uniform during the whole war.
Oh bloody hell you're right. They had some kind of red patch with regimental numbers on it. Can't believe I missed that. Welp -1 for Germans it is then.
I was about to comment that
@@Janovich You don't need to take the -1 for Germany, since the red contrasts on the German uniforms where so iconic, the early versions of this even gave the German Flag the red sripe.
Edit: The Red Contrast is in the tradiotion of the "Lützowsches Freikorps", an unit in the Prussian Army during the Prussian-Napolionic Campain. They had Black Uniforms, with Red contrasts and Golden buttons.
Yeah but this designe at the start was big problem because it made it really easy to spot the french, and if i remember correkt during this time the french had massiv loses.
@@Wolfkiler2010 this one red part was not a big issue, but at the start of the war french soldiers had red pants and red kepis (a sort of french military cap). And it's these clothes that were really disadvantageous, making soldiers real targets on the battlefield.
The pants were changed to blue, and the kepis replaced by blue kepis and then by the Adrian helmet to protect soldiers from shrapnel.
So the details are German, but the bigger parts are French and British.
Nice.
Germans are great at details
Always have been
the German army was the best equipped
The helmet is the most recognizable item thought.
@@ottoeduardleopoldvonbismar1164 not in ww1 it was the french at the end
Amazing breakdown, very cool history lesson on our favourite trenchy bois!
You make some very nice animations my friend.
If one is looking for a T-handle WW1 era entrenching tool the US M-1910 would do nicely.
Well, seems thats a bingo! -1 for germany + for US.
A large amount of people forget about the French and British influences in the uniforms
Hello watchmaster, sir
Not into WH 40K that much but as a history buff, this uniform catches my eye. Two things I;d like to add:
1: The rifle most resembles the US Army M1918 Browning Auto-Rifle. As such the bayonet could also resemble the US M1917 bayonet which also has sort of a leaf shape... and also came in a variant featuring a saw-toothed top edge.
2: The metal can at the bottom of the backpack (I have seen some depictions with this) resembles the Wehrmacht gas mask can from WWII.
the gun thing is confirmed by WH
The high collar could also be a nod to the Imperial uniforms. The German überrock (overcoat) had a high collar in a contrast colour, most usually red, and considering that other Krieg uniforms, namely the officer uniform, also uses details from both British and German ceremonial uniforms, I wouldn't discount the possibility of that being the case.
I have incidentally done far more research than I probably need to, in the interest of building a Krieg commanding officer costume.
Pretty sure the collar colours on German uniforms is a signifier of branch. Such as infantry, artillery, cavalry, general staff, logistics etc.
7:48 wait i just realised AbsolutelyNothing is one of your patrons like that's a bit cool
Yeh he's a bro
Other than the backpack style being an exclusively german thing, as I have seen iterations with the "U" shaped folded coat around the top before with other soldiers, (I mean to be fair that is literally the best way to carry a large coat, tarp etc - but I certainly do picture german backpacks as the go to for it) and the red colour thing somebody else already mentioned, I don't have any real points of contention. Maybe your odd adherence to the colour brown haha? But I jest, a cracking video mate. I'm glad to have more people recognising the various sources of inspiration that goes into the death korps. It's a bit sad when the Guard regiment that is meant to be the analogy of the western front trench warfare of the great war gets devolved to simply ' shovel wielding germans in space' as it more often than not does on the internet.
I expected the Germans to have the most influence on the krieg wargear cus there based off of the Germans. Even their home planet is called the German word for war
Well they do. Just not exclusively
Is krieg German?
@@jerryvandevort2366 Yeah Krieg is the german word for War
@@Wolfkiler2010 oh OK thank you, what year is it supposed to be?
@@jerryvandevort2366 the year 40000
Joke's on all of us, the uniform was based on the uniform used by the Byzantine Empire during the war.
If you think about it, their Rifle counds as American insperation as well, due to it's imilarities with the Browning Automatic Rifle or BAR.
Not to mention, you count the Leman Russ tank as British inperation due to it's design being directly inspired by the Mark (MK-1, MK-IV, MK-V, etc) landships.
Thank you for keeping going even with the Sword of GWocles hanging over your head. I know it's not what you were planning on doing, but hearing your breakdown and analysis was exactly what I needed as a pick up this morning.
"Now let's start with most iconic piece of equipment "
My brain: shovel
Edit: not shovel, *FELDSPATEN*
Haha ja
German Feldspaten
This is a cool breakdown.
Funnily enough the crest isn’t actually decorative! It was originally meant to protect against downwards slashing motions against the top. Since we see it so frequently nowadays you can assume it’s usefulness
I would say that while the uniform is very German, I think the weapons are more French than anything else. The banded barrels on both the Lasguns and heavy stubbers are clearly inspired by the Hotchis M1914 French heavy machine gun.
It reminds me of the B.A.R.
For the grenade, I suggest it is roughly inspired by the Austrian zeitzunder rod grenade, which has a pre-fragmented body almost exactly the same.
For the shoulder pads, I think they are inspired by the experimental american, light armor, with arm defenses No.5 and also by the issued Italian farina armor.
I think the ammo pouches are also inspired by the Italian m1907 equipment, or even the Austrian m1895 cartridges pouches, as the Italian has almost the same proportion and the austrian has the same button, tho is flater.
for the shovel well it's most likely a scaled down general service shovel, that was both used in maintenance of the trench and in assaults to fortify a taken position.
For the gasmask, well although I can't deny the inspiration from the small box, it looks more like what I've seen from respirators, which were devices which uses primitives oxygen tanks, and where used in fixed or important position. Devices that come to mind are the draeger (both used by France and Germany) series and the French Tissot. Otherwise pretty spot on
4:25 Interstingly enought, the crest on Adrian helmet has also a protective role, as it is suppose to portect from projectiles comming from straigth ahead by deflecting them rather than letting them impact the flatish top of the helmet. Which strikes me as quite trench-warfare oriented since most threats (artillery) are gonna come from above, so good detail to add to the Kriegers aside from looks I guess?
I know that its an oldish video but:
There actually are historical helmets that combined the general shape of the stalhelm and the adrian ventilation comb, the Polish wz. 28 helmet and the Soviet SSh 36 (as well as mentioned in the video many fire fighter helmets).
Tall collars were common in Austro-Hungarian (early war versions anyway) and Russian armies though those were standing collars rather than the stand and fall collars like the Kreigers seem to have have.
Nice thanks for sharing :)
Tremendously useful video, thank you. I couldn't settle on which exact WW1sources that uniform came from, you've clarified it very well for me 👍😊
Gran analisis. Me estaba preguntando de donde habian sacado cada parte del uniforme y este es el video perfecto. Gracias.
Always got to love the shovel
I like how the Death Korps of the Krieg is inspired from WWI.
This doubles as a fun WH40k project, and now a real-world history lesson as well! I see you're really starting to develop your manner of speaking for your channel as well. It was very fun to listen to you on this subject. Excellent work, good sir.
This was an awesome breakdown of the kit of my absolute favorite faction in all of 40K. Well done.
I just love the happy, joyful tone behind that Auf Wiedersehen. It legit made me smile.
This video will help me alot with my kriegsman cosplay im making
Well, I came for some general Death Korps lore, I came away with a history lesson on various equipment of the Great War. And a new item of clothing I ought to add to my outdoor wear arsenal.
I was looking for this explanation, thanks
I think the shovel is a cross between the stand German trench shovel and the American M1910 which had a more spiked shape than the German or French counterparts as well as the Americans used a crossed handle. Though the handle wasn't naked wood, but instead used a stamped tube welded together that was less likely to fracture than the wood and was better as a melee weapon, but would often bend under heavy use. The M1910 saw extremely limited use during ww1 as Americans dug few trenches, mostly occupying French and British trenches. But it did see extensive use with the USMC during WW2.
Some people always wanna argue that the Belgian or French helmets is what Krieg wears. Its a friggin Stalhelm with some additional bling.
Thank you now it's time to search for parts
The main point of contention will probably always be the helmet
No. This video settles it once and for all.
Otherwise we have to decide fight to the death in the comment section.
@@Janovich it'll be a fight between the stalhelm, Adrian and the firefighter helmet. Truly a bloody struggle.
I like what you did with the outro music.
I seem to recognize that tune from somewhere...
:)
In my opinion, the uniform is really a German design, since ww2 German great coats were also double breasted, and the cuffs remind me more of Swedish sleeve cuffs which Germany also used. That said I’m pretty sure German troops also used puttees from the onset of the war as well. But by far, the Death Korps engineers look far more like Germans than the standard infantryman, in uniform consistency.
Germans mostly went into the War with brown leather boots. They only switched to putties as a necessity when leather became scarcer throughout the war and boots could no longer be manufactured. Yeh I agree the other Troops are a completely different ballgame.
@@Janovich well yes but no.
There were also the so called Schnürschuhe which are nothing more than low boots that were used in conjunction with puttees. Strangely enough these were often used more by officers.
Plus the front folding backwards was also common to german coats (both the early war ones and the M15 one). It was a feature originating from the regimental coats of 1700-1814 cca.
@@marcoalimandi6013 Do you happen to have any sources as trying to validate this topic specifically seems to be rather hard
Thanks full , Janovich for this video.
Great video with amazing editing quality. The simple information for the krieg uniform is astonishing👍
Hello there fellow kreigsmen
I think the shovel is identical to the ones carried by American troops
Yeh. I overlooked that. Good catch
Actually, I think I recall seeing photographs of US Doughboys using Shovels with a T-Handle. I forget where and when I saw them. So many photos exist of the war.
Some US Army units also used French Adrian Helmets. Most notably, the Harlem Hellfighters of the 369th Regiment.
The US Army, unofficially, used a belt with a single strap on it as well. Post-War, these were confiscated when US soldiers returned home because they were not regulation uniform components, despite how iconic the belt had become. I think the US soldiers also used patties, was it? Well, the wraps around the legs I believe were adopted were the same as the British.
I also recall seeing some US Uniform designs with the high collar that the Death Korps use as well. High collars were a common theme among civilian attire for men. I know the US Army had a high collar uniform design, I write fanfiction and was in need of a uniforms for a fictional school in one of my stories, and I came across a picture of a Reenactor wearing a Doughboy uniform with a high collar.
The high collar, though, appears to have been quickly eliminated. The thing was described as uncomfortable and was not retained for later uniforms. I think it was actually used on the US Army's Trench Coat at the time. Most images we see, are of US Doughboys without their trench coats.
It could also be a technicality. Some later trench coats did feature a higher collar as there are artist and photographic pictures of soldiers with high collared trench coats. I believe some later trench coats were also designed with high collars in popular media as well.
If I recall right, there was actually an attempt to use shoulder guards in conjunction with helmets. I recall there were a number of programs, some in the USA, and the rest elsewhere for shoulder guards. But none of those programs panned out as the armor offered little protection overall for increased weight and provided discomfort to the soldiers.
Another possibility of the shoulder guards is that they are a fantasy element or a retroactively added addition. Since all of the Imperial Guard have shoulder guards. As do a number of modern, real-world militaries, though when Warhammer 40,000 was first created, I don't think those were even in thought.
I think the US Army also used squared off ammo pouches as well. They were not retained when the US Army found better gear. The US Armed Forces actually used a number of European concepts. There were even a number of US Navy Cruisers built with the Tumblehome Design that France was using on its Pre-Dreadnoughts. The costs and concerns with the design at the time led the US Navy to obviously switch to a more convention design at the time until the Zumwalt-class was constructed.
Actually, the US Military would import many European weapons for years and make use of them.
The 37mm Anti-Tank and Tank Guns the US Army started out the Second World War with, were actually licensed built German designs modified slightly for American use and that had nothing to do with the guns themselves, despite repeated upgrades to the 37mm guns themselves, but were more to do with elevation and direction as well as the tow hooks. The Germans somewhat complicated their own carriages for the 37mm as well as a couple of controls. The US Army simplified them or found them inadequate and replaced them with something homegrown.
The 57mm Anti-Tank Gun the US Army adopted was just the 6-pdr Anti-Tank Gun the British were using, right down to the ammunition. Only a few small changes were made to the carriages and attempts to improve its capabilities were also carried out. The 57mm was a terrible Anti-Personnel Gun and had issues with accuracy out to beyond 1,000 yards and yet 1,000 yards was its prime combat zone with it becoming increasingly less effective as Tanks got closer rather than better.
The British were figuring that quirk out too, when the 75mm replaced it as an Anti-Tank Gun, followed by other ATGs before ATGMs took over.
Anyways, history aside, it could be that some aspects of the Death Korps are also not strictly First World War. Especially when you realize they have advanced Mechanized Forces and are the only ones allowed to use Combined Arms Units. So, expanding the horizon is a possibility.
Actually, if I recall right, the British were the last military to field horse-mounted Lancers. Before the front became static and therefore, the lance was made useless. Of course, it was already useless and the British with them didn't want them!
The same issue plagued a US Army Cavalry Regiment also issued Lances in the latter half of the 19th Century. They were quick to get rid of them and replace them with Carbines and Sabers, before ultimately getting rid of the latter for daggers and knives.
that joyful excitement in the chat because of the SHOVEL
I like to believe that because the 1st World War had such an incalculable impact on human psyche, some echo of it appeared in the Warp or in the common psyche of Humanity. And somehow it influenced the Kriegers to create this uniform by integrating elements from many different countries that fought in this war. Maybe that as an aftermath of their civil war, the constant trench warfare and the loss of value for human life during this conflict was pushed to such an extent that it became some kind of morbid caricature of WW1, and as we know the warp love that kind of story, so maybe something that has been created by the trauma of the 1st WW, somewhere in the warp, was empowered by the Krieg's Civil War and started to influence them in some way. Or that it has been such a traumatic event that it imprinted itself on the fabric of human culture, so that 40 000 years ago, when all knowledge of this war has long since vanished from the archives stack and memories of Humanity, It still influence Humanity in the 41st Millenium. As we know that the first murder of humanity created an entity in the warp that looked like Abel (or the other one I don't remember), it is possible that there exist an entity in the warp that echoes the WW1, I would like to imagine it appearing to humans as an adolescent with an uniform that kinda looks like the one from Krieg, but oversized so that it does not fit the wearer. It would not speak, and the only thing you could hear while in it's presence is it's quiet wailing, but that this whailing carries with it all the horror, sadness and absurdity of the conflict, forcing mortals to take in all the suffering of the entire war in an instant, shattering their minds utterly. Maybe a bit overpowerd, it being absolutely impossible to get rid of, like the trauma from this war, and it's wails being psychicly carried across an entire world for everyone to hear, as it makes them slowly lose all joy and drive as they are slowly impregnated with the absurdity of their lives and of the Imperium, as they realize that the galaxy does not hate humanity, it hates itself at an existential level, so that trying to improve their lives and the Imperium is pointless. (Sry for the grammar/orthograph mistakes, I'm not a native speaker and I should realy go to sleep)
thats very insightful!
I was aware how much of it was french and german but couldn't put my finger on what it was thats not quite right. of course, now you've mentioned it the collar is the obvious odd-one-out!
nice breakdown of all the possible influences.
Yeps.
This sorta reminds me of uniform history's series where he goes over uniforms in movies
It does help that the krieg lasgun appears to be based off the browning automatic rifle model 1918.
Great breakdown of the uniform and basic equipment utilized by a Death Korps Guardsman! It's good to see the other powers on the western front having their inspired pieces represented. Most people really dig the German vibe and give these guys a German accent in their minds for a lot of reasons, one being that the planet's name was Krieg, of all things. Definitely appreciate the points for the French and British though.
Wonderful video bro! Bis später!
This is an amazing video, good work
I always thought the gas mask to be a more framed version of a 1915 gas mask. The mask may bo big but it covers the whole face and you can easily put a helmet on that
Our boys are Very classy indeed !
It's of note that the new Krieg models use a French-style needle bayonet instead of the german-style bayonet.
and now i got a shopping list!
I would kill for a death Korps of Krieg Uniform.
I am sharpening my shovel while I watch this glorious vid. The Emperor provides and the Emperor Protects!
These guys would look really cool with French Appareil respiratoire tissot gas masks. The deflector pipes on the front would match the dieselpunky theme very well.
shovel handle is a U.S. M1910 E-tool, I know not listed as one of the countries in this video. Also the rifle? Las-rifle? is similar to a wwi U.S. M1918 BAR although it also has some elements of other European rifles and LMGs of the era
I'm new to 40k so I don't really know the terms for things yet
You're right!
Great analysis!
The Lasgun is based on the BAR
Good work sir
Finally someone breaking it down. I grew tired correcting people who were like "Ahaa, Kriegers are WW1 germans on steroids.." or smth like that. Basically it is just the shape of the helmet and nothing else.
Edit: Okay, a few things more than the helmet.^^
And concerning the collar of the trenchcoat. It's design looks 18th - 19th century coat more than anything else.
Adds to the anachronism which, imo, is the fascinating aspect of this and a few other Guardregiments. Think of the Praetorians for example.
Fantastic! Thanks
Awesome video man! Maybe try to not fade that much when ending a word or sentence :D
Two things real quick, the Death Riders and Krieg Officers are both inspired by French Cavalry in helmet and uniform aswell as that shovel looking like an American Entrenchment tool from WWII.
Oh wait I just realized the Lucious Pattern Lasgun also resembles the U.S. made Browning Automatic Rifle.
Some depictions of cavalry and officers are brighter reminding me of the French however I don't think it is so cut and dry. Germans had cuirassiers as well. So the breastplate doesn't make it certain that they are French. While the helmet is relatively similar to the infantry helmet but with a more elaborate crest. Which certainly is a similarity for French cavalry but the ceremonial uniforms of the German heavy cavalry was not all that different (specifically the Cuirassiers and Bavarian Heavy Cavalry). As for the sword, the basic "P-guard" was common but many (especially heavy cavalry) had complex guards similar to the ones the Krieger sabers are shown to have. Thought the French sabers certainly fit the look as well.
French Hotchkiss machine guns also look similar. It's full name Lucious no. 98 is a German influence however, based on the Mauser 98 rifle/KAR98 carbine variant.
@@gokbay3057 the Death Riders and Officers Cuirass is specifically based on French Calvary not the Germans, Grenadiers and Engineers on the other hand specifically wear German WWI Lobster Armor. The only thing German about Krieg Officers and Death Riders are their knee high boots which were the German standard up until they lost WWII.
The Luscious Pattern Lasgun has zero resemblance to the Kar 98 or any other German rifle from WWI or II. It is just a B.A.R. with some radiator fins attached to the barrel.
@@MrPikaGammer 1. Tbh Knee High Boots are standard for cavalry everywhere. You kinda need the protection of the leather. Thought for some half chaps/gaiters are worn over short boots to replicate the effect (also a lot of modern non-professional riders do not have specialised riding boots so wear gaiters over the shoes for protection. I was taking riding lessons 8 years or so ago (before I started highschool, I recently graduated from university) and I wore those on top of my regular shoes. I have always loved the idea of owning a pair of tall boots, shame they are commonly only sold for women nowadays).
2. Yeah, I said the name, not the look.
@@gokbay3057 I was more mentioning the knee high boots because of the Kreig Officers who tend to not be on horseback and unlike regular Kriegers don't wear ankle high boots and putties.
Honestly yeah it is a shame that knee high boots for men have pretty much disappeared, what you can find are sadly rotting and the leather has turned brittle.
@@MrPikaGammer I think it is mentioned in the fluff somewhere that the (higher) Krieg Officers tend to be ex-Death Riders even if they are commanding infantry, armour or artillery. Because Death Riders are chosen with independent thinking as a preferred quality, which tends to make decent officer material if they survive enough battles to be promoted. And that even after being reassigned they like to keep the knee high boots instead going back to putees because it is more comfortable.
I think that the armor of some of the kriegers kinda reminds me a farina class armor, used by the Italians in WWI, the armors weren't effective,it were easly pierceable, their only purpose was to make the soldiers feel invincibile while suicide charging under the command of Luigi Cadorna
Before watching I am going to take a swing and try and guess what the elements are.
The helmet looks like a German Stahlhelm with a crest inspired by the French M15 Adrian helmet. The gasmask looks like a German gasmask crossed with a British box respirator. The trench coat looks like it's inspired by a French model (the inspiration looks very obvious in the official artwork depicting the DKK with more blue toned uniforms). The puttees, while commonly associated with British soldiers/soldiers from the British Empire, were something that were also somewhat commonly used by the other combatants as well. The webbing and ruck sack look pretty German while the grenade looks like a French F1 or a British Mills Bomb. The shovel looks like it takes inspiration from an American model due to its T shaped handle (a lot of European entrenching tools of the time tended to either have a plain handle or a knob).
Edit: looks like I generally came to the same conclusions, though I managed to completely overlook the bayonet.
I thought the collar of the outfit was based on (ww1) russian trench coats, that's what I've been using as reference for a death korp model I'm working on anyways
For the most part it looks like equal parts french and equal parts British with German being the predominant source for esthetics. However I would love to see what alternative designs would be like such as equal parts french and German but predominantly British or french etc.
I love this so much!
Amazing video. Im gald i subscribed to your channel. The Emperor Protects
the fighting style of the death Korps most likely resembles the USMC and Imperial Japan. With the USMC refusing to retreat when the British and French told them to. The US Marines then donned their gas masks and then got into extremely bloody close combat with shovels and bayonets. the Japanese part of the fighting is because of their love for their emperor and willingness to die for him while doing bayonet charges.
The helmets actually a direct copy of an interwar german fire helmet
I love this a lot
The happiest Krieger is a Krieger with a lunge mine.
Basically a sci-fi German Stormtrooper with some other things. Noice.
What even is... a Chain Chovel?
Can't believe I forgot to cover the WW1 chain shovel in this one. Used by all nations to dig deeper and bonk faster.
Ww1 europe plus second world war japanese mentality and there you get krieger. Really interesting mix
very cool
Add BAR for N98 Lucius Pattern Lasgun.
Is there a video of this kind of analysis for the Soace Marines?
SM = SAS
Bolter = MP5
Helmet = Gas mask
Not strictly an uniform but a fact none the less - near the end of WW1 russians developed Death Battalions - their purpose was to assault enemy positions.
They were also tasked with handling deserters, routers and surrenderers.
Maybe that was a bit (and the only bit at that) from WW1 russia.
Imma make one :)
Military collector here! if you want to cosplay using ww1 stuff be very careful with gasmasks I have seen people using GP5 gasmasks and those filters have asbestos
Great video👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
so the french and british uniforms did the forbidden tango and germany involved itself in the output's upbringing
Im from germany and your Friend pronounced the german words really good is he deutsch ?
Dutch
@@Janovich Same thing really xD
The French wore black shoes with black leather gaiters during the early stages of WWI.
Nice
@janovich are we obsessed with Krieg? i think we are obsessed. is good
I the one thing I wished is that their vehicles were ww1 based like the leman russ could be the Mark 1 through 5 maybe the bane blade could have been the unfinished k wagens like they did the troops why not go the full length and do the vehicles.
The malcador is what your are thinking of.
im really not sure how to feel about that ... kriegers , on Holy Terra , starting to make there Kit .....
XD thank you , i love following your Progress
Somehow i knew they'd be more german than french but hey i can still paint they're trench coat in dark blue ans they're pants in red
I love the french colours
Congratz, Janovich.
With the fall of Bruva Alfabusa, you are the last one standing (I think) who's on the up and rise.
Do you... still plan to continue, given the 'zero tolerance' policy they have stated towards fanimations?
Will give a channel update soon.
@@Janovich In light of everything going on, that does *not* sound good.
I can't take any more bad news at the moment >.
You know this video made me wonder where they get so much leather as the only real life forms on krieg are it’s inhabitants….wait a minute
Krieg have horses as well, or could be artificial leather
I think the respirator is basically a german flavored british design.
Didn't you mention the balls of steal? xD
Mandatory equipment really
nice