Stabbed Her Mother NINE TIMES & Begged Police To Stop Her
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Today’s case is about Nicola Edgington, the woman who stabbed her own mother nine times and watched her die. She was only locked up for three years before she went on to kill again, in another savage attack.
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Religious delusions are actually a really common symptom of schizophrenia and other types of psychosis, even without a prior interest in religion
Why
@@Earthisverysmallthat is actually a good question. It IS very common for some reason. Someone has to have written a paper about it by now. I'm going to Google it and see what I can find out. I've wondered about it before, but never taken the time to find out. I feel a trip down a rabbit hole coming up.
same with OCD. I think for me, it’s just that the obsession with life & death, ethics, morals, it’s all easy to fixate on in the worst ways possible.
with psychosis, i think it’s just a “logical” way of thinking, i guess? as logical as it can get at least. if you’re hearing voices in your head and seeing things, people who are in that state think that it’s something supernatural or “divine”.
A friend of mine’s ex-partner always thought God was speaking directly to them, like they heard voices but it was dismissed because that person grew up religious and thought that’s just the way it works. Yeah it turns out that person later on got diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Because religious belief initself is schizo-typal behaviour.
As someone who's dad has schizophrenia it is INCREDIBLY important that there is someone ALWAYS checking in with them and making sure they ARE taking their meds. Intrusive thoughts and symptoms do not go away 100%, 100% of the time with medication and relapsing can happen. It can also lull them into a sense of comfort when the meds are working and often times they feel they are ready to take themselves off the meds because they're "cured". It may not have been 100% intentional on her part when she stopped taking the meds. I do not believe that part is her fault at all - imo it was the care teams fault. They should have been looking out for her, they knew she had no one else that will hold her accountable for taking her meds and STAYING on them (the hardest part.)
All around a very sad case.
Facts. She continuously checked in with her care team, but it doesn’t seem that they ever followed up with her. Which is insane since she was a convicted killer who clearly had homicidal tendencies without medication and social assistance. She felt alienated and no one cared. Stress and depression have a huge impact on mental health, schizophrenia is no different. It’s no surprise she had another episode considering her social environment. I feel so awful for her.
According to my mom, who has worked in a mental hospital for over a decade, it is quite common for people with scizophrenia to suddenly stop taking their meds. Part of the disorder makes them stop taking it, convincing them that they are all better now. Of course, this doesn't apply to every person with this disorder, just wanted to share that bit of information
i work in forensic mental health and this is very true, they’ll suddenly be very legitimately convinced that a medication is harmful to them or poisoned, regardless of if they’ve been on it for years without issue and remained stable on it. it’s a common relapse indicator
Yup my brother suffers from severe schizophrenia and it is a constant cycle of him taking his meds and then him thinking he’s better and doesn’t need them anymore 😔
I have depression, ASD and an EUPD and insomnia. I've been sectioned 3 times. I also stopped taking my meds at the time thinking " I didn't need them now" boy I was so wrong. That's when I ended up in 2 comas April and June maybe July 2023 I have no support. Social services will only give me recommended P.A's at about £57 PER hour. Obviously I dont/can't work as I flip out if triggered. So yet again the mentally ill are being killed off. The richer are getting rich while the "poor" are left to end it all
I have diagnosed bpd+bipolar and i have done the same thing during severe manic episodes- it’s a very common thing for a lot of mental health crises. Thank you for sharing!!
Yeah it's similar to bipolar in that way. It's kind of par for the course. With bipolar people either start missing the mania and tryna trigger an episode or they're like oh okay i haven't had an episode in ages, i don't need these any more. I can stop taking them.
“Get a fiver off her and I’ll give her powers” absolutely sent me 😆😭
We’re at the same part lol twinzies
😂😂
Lmaoo I cackled at that part
This story is so sad, for everyone involved.
Babies aren't therapy. They aren't glue for relationships, either. And they deserve to be born into the best possible circumstances.
FACTSS !
Not to mention if you have schizophrenia, having babies can actually make your psychosis worse
He obviously didn't think that, he didn't wear a condom lol
@@Burnttoastwithvegemiteshe had someone to love and support her and she was violent to him and pushed him away. Albeit that it’s something she struggled with, you can’t excuse the fact that she failed her children by having them when she obviously couldn’t care for them
True. Putting way too much pressure on a child by doing this too
As someone who loves several people with schizophrenia, sometimes the medication stops working. Even after years of it working it can change and your body can gain a tolerance to the medication. My sister has called me in the middle of a psychotic episode telling me that her medication is causing her schizophrenia. She had actually gathered all her medication and was in the middle of flushing it down the toilet when I got to her. It can just happen in a days time. Please if you know anyone with schizophrenia just keep an eye on them, they are awesome people who just need a little help navigating back to reality some times.
Its mad how you only get treated after committing horrible crimes
and barely then... its just so sad many don't even help until they become violent offenders from their mental health/disorders when there are ways it could have been maintained or prevented, instead its ignored. not taking it serious just breeds more victims, more perps and putting further strain on society's ability to help. (Pwords action resulted in ptsd for me. had he been helped and watched. i may never felt the need to unalive myself to get out of my own head. might have had a chance to be a asset and not a burden to society if help and/or prevention been more prevalent.) makes me think of the others in way way worse situations/incidents or disorders and unnoticed. cant be easy to be stuck in their mind or someone victimized by them.
There was a case in finland, 14 yo girl was stabbed 47 times outside while playing basket ball... she was screaming and begging "hey please dont kill me" the stabber had planed that he would kill someone because he was so anxious and killing someone would help the anxiety because he couldnt get help(waited for a year in que). When he was arrested he said "now i can get treated) later he broke out of the institution for the criminaly insane (didnt get very far) was granted a new identity after he was relesed and i know that identity... me and my friends figured it out because we work at the same place he does... and trough other people that have known the perp earlier before all this they say he robbed a farmacy and was an oddball
@@lilthicksnek6766 it's madness
this
@@lilthicksnek6766that's literally insane
i wouldn’t support someone that killed my mother. there’s no way you can expect that of someone as a sibling. the system failed her but i don’t think i could ever speak to my sibling again if they did that.
Oh me either but i would never tell my struggling sibling to off themselves either
@@rotcorp6hard to say. I imagine the resentment would be through the roof
Facts. I have a sibling who had schizophrenia and he has done some horrific things. I just cannot sympathize. I have friends who struggle with schizophrenia and have never committed heinous acts against others so I know it’s possible to be a functioning member of society. People should ask for help from loved ones before they get to that point. I completely understand how difficult that can be, but it’s far easier than committing crimes against humanity, having to live with that for the rest of your life, being portrayed as a monster, not to mention now being a felon.
@@nightmother23am not saying anyone should or shouldn't forgive anyone that committed a crime that's a personal choice for everyone, but i would like to just say about your comment about "you know other people and they're functioning" etc etc, i would like to say to please remember that everyone has different needs and symptoms, everyone has a different level of severity on all spectrum of mental illness and though while no mental illness is not an excuse for committing heinous crimes etc, it's more just a point of like please remember that everyone is different and for people that maybe haven't committed crimes but "aren't functioning members of society" please don't be harder on those people because you expect them to live up to a standard you have set based on different people's experiences 💞
Yes for sure, there's a difference between understanding why someone did something/why something happened and forgiving or excusing them for it
Baffles me how she ASKED to be stopped and they didn’t listen…I hope Nikola’s mom is happier wherever she is and the rest of her family has found peace. Thank you Eleanor for everything and the respect you give
Exactly! She asked for help
That's NHS for you
They failed her and those around her
@@aleksandralempart8305 The US healthcare system has its flaws of course, but for it to be this bad I’m so sorry to everyone who’s struggled.
I hate when people say this. I’m sure her mother was happier actually being alive.
Honestly, In my opinion the one that should be blamed in the first place is that mental hospital. They were the ones that discharged her, they failed to did regular check ups they've promised, and they were the ones that told her she's okay when she literally said she's struggling. They should've be responsible for what happend. A mentally ill person can't be expected to just "be responsible" and take their medication when they've had struggled their whole life and openly admit they're struggling again.
It was NOT a choice she stopped taking her meds. I'm manic bipolar and I have stopped taking my meds completely against my will many times. I would love for it to not be like that, but it just is what it is. And after you miss two days because whatever crazy thing made you stop taking them, then getting back on them without medical intervention is impossible. She was supposed to have care takers. The system fucking failed her.
exactly!!! she's not the guilty one, the UK's mental health systems are for releasing her after three years and just letting her relapse so awfully
This!! I’m schizophrenic and I don’t just choose to not take it. I would love to consistently take it!! And once I’m off it takes full intervention to get me back on it. They were supposed to be checking on her. She was so isolated and let down consistently. My heart fucking breaks for her. I don’t blame her for a single thing honestly. She asked for help. She was clearing struggling from the start and no one helped. They all failed her.
Could you explain how you stop taking your medication completely against your will? Respectfully of course
So it's everyone else's fault and everyone else's responsibility...I'm sure ppl would be outraged too if they held one down to force them to take their meds and turn it around and say it was abuse, it's like u can't win, either your not doing enough or doing too much
@veneciaporter9015 idk much about schizophrenia still, but a common reason that people stop taking their meds is because they suddenly think they're cured and straight up shouldn't take it anymore because they don't need it. I'm not sure if that counts as a delusion or not 😅
Another thing is that meds don't completely wipe out mental illness symptoms, it just makes them way more manageable. Someone with schizophrenia can still have hallucinations and delusions while on meds. In that state, the mind can make up any reason to stop taking it.
Listen, Eleanor doll, I have recently stopped watching true crime because of the negative effects on my mental. I do, however, still listen to your content, the way you create a relationship with the victim and tell their story. It's with such genuine respect and I applaud you.
If you're interested in other creators that are very respectful and compassionate, I can also recommend Kimbyrleigha (US) and Mollie Westbrook (UK) - hope you're well!
I’m actually fuming and FLABBERGASTED that she sat in a HOSPITAL with OFFICERS. Officers who have to know about her record and even if not - she told them she’s KILLED SOMEONE BEFORE. What the actual… She should’ve been seen and given something to calm her down immediately even if she couldn’t get full attention right away. Good god this is a tragic case through and through.
the way they couldve at very fucking least been like okay can you stay on the line with me while i send someone to get you but you must meet us at the front of the building since we aren’t legally allowed to arrest or whatever you (help idk the terminology) inside buildings that are considered safe such as hospitals. ughh it frustrates me so immensely
@@scarlettyoungyt tbf tho if she's threatening people that is def grounds for arrest or at the very least a&e could've restrained and sedated her. Not the best way to deal with it obviously but hell even the police officers could've handcuffed her until they were ready to see her
@@shannon5541 absolutely agree
Whelp, that's the first positive thing I've ever heard of a church of scientology member...
honestly they probably were hoping she had a family member with some money
Her back story breaks my heart. My husband was always a "problem child" because of his erratic and dangerous behavior. He confided in his father about the things he was seeing and hearing and was told that he was seeing and hearing the ancestors. At age 30ish, I finally took him to the er during an episode, and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He suffered so much, and my heart just aches for this poor woman. She was definitely let down by everyone around her.
i'm glad he got a diagnosis, everyone deserves to know what they're struggling with, it makes it a bit easier to bare. i hope you guys make the most out your lives and find ways to cope with your situation! blessed be
Thanks for making a video on this. Sally and her family were friends of my family. It was such a devastating tragedy. But I just wanted to let people know that Sally's family are absolutely amazing. They hold football games every year to raise money for a charity that supports people with severe mental health issues and victims of crimes committed by mentally ill people.
That is such a positive way for the family to deal with this tragedy and remember her. It’s inspiring.
Honestly, all the dispatch workers that took her calls should be reprimanded as well and the police officers that just left her without calling in others to look after her. Like clearly when they were on duty they didn’t feel it was safe to leave her alone; why would their shift ending just change that suddenly?
Like yes, she knew that she needed to be medicated and chose to not take it - but she was aware enough to know she needed the authorities to intervene. Frankly I don’t think she should have ever been released without a live-in care taker.
Now add in that it's not uncommon for people with several mental illnesses, one of them schizophrenia, to stop taking their meds out of nowhere because they are absolutely convinced they don't need them anymore or that they're harmful to them or something like that. Not saying it 100% wasn't her fault she stopped taking them, but I do think it isn't that simple to say "she chose not to take them anymore" because her mental health might've had an impact on that as well. Either way, one thing is absolutely clear: she did not get the help she needed for almost all of her life and only got some help after a tragedy hat already happened. And even after that she didn't receive help for as long and extensive as she needed and when she seemingly felt at another absolute breaking point and tried desperately to get help… she was mostly left alone with it once again. And unfortunately this is not an exception of how people with mental illnesses and similar struggles are treated, it's the norm. Because of stigma, misinformation and lack of information, a huge issue not only in the general public but oftentimes even in medical professions that should know better. And of course also because of a lack of resources, like therapists and places you can turn to in acute crisis situations (not to even get started on the lack of information and accessibility on/for certain issues in these places). I could probably go on and on about this, but I'm sure you get what I mean without that
Oh yes, it's soooo easy to say when you dont have psychosis.
I suffer psychosis, been rehabilitated for almost 10 years. It's common to stop meds when you are feeling fine, then when you stop, you get paranoid again and believe that the meds/drs are after you so it's a loose loose situation
@@tezzanoiaTHANK YOU. this is a logical and actual fact comment
@@tezzanoia Thank you for this comment! As a healthcare professional, I have seen this non-compliance with medication in many cases. It is far more frequent than people think and it isn’t a matter of just saying “Take your medication”. In some cases, patients get paranoid and feel that the medication is harming them, most of those cases, the medication needed to be adjusted. She was not receiving much if any follow up care to monitor her symptoms and response to her medication. She was failed miserably by all of the safety nets that should have been there for her and I am horrified that she was left alone in that A & E waiting room and that the medical staff there did not escalate her priority when they saw her behavior deteriorating.
@@foxymama9203 yes, exactly that! Just being prescribed medication and that's it just won't cut it usually, with most things, not even just mental health related things. Changes in your life can have an impact, other medication, with some things also diet changes and weight fluctuation. There's a need to check back in and make sure things are still working as intended, even if they did so perfectly when a person first starts their meds or when they get released, as is the case here. The apparent lack of consideration for this was honestly neglectful if she really didn't get much (if any) follow up care, especially after what happened before. And I agree that it's horrifying how she was failed at the A&E. Not having capacity to take care of every person immediately is an unfortunate but known and understandable issue, BUT when a person is visibly deteriorating and getting more and more frantic and restless then there's a very clear need for more urgent help and priorities should be moved accordingly
Makes me grateful for a sane brain. Can’t imagine living like that. And shame on everyone who didn’t get her help years and years ago. Not victim blaming, but so much sadness could’ve been avoided.
I would wager that she probably stopped taking her medication because of delusions. Thinking the medication is poisoned, or doing something to her, etc. I think she definitely could still claim diminished responsibility if this was the case, and it likely is.
Good thought! Some people quit taking their meds because they’re working and their delusions make them think they’re “better” but it’s really only because the meds are working also
@@aj32769 Very true!! It can be a very complex situation
I have a friend who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and that's exactly why she has stopped taking hers before. Another common reason is that when she's doing better, no delusions etc, she thinks she's cured and no longer needs the medication so stops taking it.
personally i have to take antipsychotics but i was forced to stop due to a lack of insurance and lack of money. my meds are like $250 a bottle if i pay outright. I also need someone to sign prescriptions regularly- a psychiatrist who will cost me money- even though its hard enough just to find one in my area who is willing to work with the "difficult" illnesses i have.
This is all just to say that plenty of us really dont have a choice when we stop medicating.
not to mention all the times when i accidentally missed a dose or misplaced my meds and that quickly led to a psychotic episode that convinced me to stay unmedicated.
My brother has schizophrenia and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.... It is devastating for the person and the family.... My brother was going to college and the next day he was hearing voices and going through a total breakdown.... It is the hardest thing to watch someone go through....
As somebody that has had some intense mental health crises before... making a call for my mental health and getting hand-waved away by the authorities on the other end? That sounds like a nightmare. Especially if I were to call about something this serious.
This is why crisis lines and folks who care are so important.
Agreed!
My older brother had a drug induced mental break 5 years ago (before he got clean) and he also called the police and begged them to admit him to a mental hospital because he was gonna kill the people around where he lived and they actually said to him "then call us back after you've done it and then we'll send someone out to you" I'm not surprised at all that the police did not help Nicola in this situation
Wow
That’s actually crazy.
It’s really sobering how every person in her life failed her so massively. From her mother to her partners to the justice system and healthcare system.
It baffles me how you're unable to acknowledge her hand in this "It's everyone else's fault," are you for real?
@@nadeshnash4506Well, at least they had the headstart to be able to think, unlike her.
@@nadeshnash4506well it's not her fault she's schizophrenic and has episodes??? This country takes millions of tax dollars to fund the justice system, and mental health institutions yet doesn't help the people they're trained to.
@AnnafromHungarylvNW OH, so you're saying people with schizophrenia are constantly in a state of mania at all times? That's false, she DID have the time.
@@nadeshnash4506 Respectfully, I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
As a pregnant women only 5 weeks along I’m already so attached to the baby, I couldn’t IMAGINE having someone harm me to lose my baby, it’s horrendous what that man did to her
It breaks my heart to see how miserably her community failed her.
She failed herself
@@alyshakitchen8648 if she had gotten the proper help at a young age, she might've turned out differently.
@@destinyeliseif she didn't kill people she might have too
@@alyshakitchen8648 she actively sought out help! Although if those around her hadn't simply labelled her a bad child and actually helped her it wouldn't have ever gone as far as it did. People around her are the ones who truly failed her and so many others who suffer with their mental health
medical neglect is abuse. She wasn't only failed, she was abused as a child and forgotten as an adult.
As a fellow medicated schizophrenic from a young age I myself have had psychotic breaks. I have never stopped taking my medicine, or ignored symptoms but unfortunately mental illness isn't always under control despite what we do and how hard we try.
I’m the same way. This video was heartbreaking and I just feel let down and hurt that anyone would say that it’s her fault and her choice to stop taking her meds and kill someone. Someone should have been checking on her. She shouldn’t have been left completely alone and left to her own devices. It’s so tragic and disgusting how she was treated; I can sympathize with that as similar events happened to me (not murder tho). Need more awareness and help available
@@Alexisgay420 Sometimes the cheese just slides off my cracker 🤦🏼♀️ I'm scared to death to not take my meds because it IS SCARY! I feel terrible for her and everyone that has been hurt because of this. The system failed her literally in this case.
That’s the same as my patients at work. That’s why our doctors have to be so hands on and our patients get reviewed often.
Mental health help isn't what it should be. I've gone to a doctor and told them I wasn't ok and really needed help before I did something i couldnt take back, she told me to go buy a weighted blanket to help then walked out of the room. Another time I had attempted to take my life again and my friend saved me, my mom called the police for help and they ended up arresting me for an overdue court fine minutes after I was pulled out of my exhaust filled car. The amount of people in the world who turn the other way to those begging for help is sickening and something needs to change.
They probably used the overdue court fine as a way of getting you into custody aka safety. I hope you're doing OK.
Omgs that’s terrifying. I’ve never been suicidal myself but my best friend is and neither of us are walking distance close and neither of us can legally drive and I’m always watching terrified as my best friend gets suicidal and grabs pills. They recently tried to overdose and I was doing geometry notes for finals when they took the pills and only found out after they woke up.
Terrifying
@@hl7465 if you've attempted they don't need to arrest you to get you to safety, you can be put into the hospital involuntarily. that process can be traumatic, but it's not necessary to arrest someone to make them safe after an attempt
When I made an attempt and someone called the police, they arrested me for intoxication, kept me in a cell overnight and then released me next day. Luckily, my next attempt the hotel called an ambulance instead, they took me to hospital and then I went into a mental hospital for 3 months, which is what I needed.
This case is so tragic. Nicola was in the year below me at primary school and was friends with my sister for a while (aged 8/9). I remember her seeming very shy and quiet on the couple of occasions she was at our house.
I just want to say that while this person had schizophrenia and murdered someone, most ppl with this mental illness are not aggressive or dangerous ppl. I just wanted to point that out so that if anyone knows of someone that has it, to not be scared. The behaviors can be scary and alarming but most times these ppl are harmless.
Tell that to this person's family and my family. We deserve our experiences and reality to be acknowledged. Not all schizophrenics, but a significant minority. Why do you think there's always the question of being a "danger to oneself or others" when it comes to mental health evals?
obviously sometimes there is a danger to other people. but we shouldn't just automatically assume anyone we meet with a mental illness could be a danger to others because all it does is encourage people to be less open about what they struggle with. @@Youser999
I remember onetime I had a schizophrenic roomie in the mental hospital she would sneak pencils and sharpen them draw pandas she saw and one time stabbed a apple saying it deserved to die than got released same day 😭 the healthcare system does not help this mental health disorder at alll
My understanding is that schizophrenics are more likely to be a danger to themselves than to others.
@@Youser999they’re saying this bc a lot of the times people only see us schizophrenic people as dangerous or crazy when we aren’t. i’ve had many experiences of being bullied, or isolated, or forgotten bc people think im crazy when im not, all we need is people to help and support us not people who disregard us as humans just because we have a mental illness. in this situation, nicola could have been helped if people didn’t just see her as the bad child or crazy, and therefore all of this could have been avoided if people just helped her then diagnosed her.
I’ve never physically hurt someone, but I do understand Nikola. I don’t have schizophrenia, but I have Bipolar with Psychosis delusions. I’ve severely hurt my friends with my words. I have been very mentally abusive towards friends and family. I was unmedicated, and didn’t even realize what I was doing or what I was saying. I empathize with Nikola💔
I’ve been medicated for around 2 years now (I’m 18) and have been able to maintain close relationships and I am so proud of that. It takes a lot to admit you need help.
Unrelated but makes me happy for Eleanor to see her embracing her body after surgery by wearing different style shirts!
i noticed that too!! so good to see, all her older videos she’s wearing high neck long sleeve jumpers, she’s come out of her shell so much in the last few years!
What surgery did she have??
Totally agree!
@@JokersD0llshe had a boob job, she has a video about it on her 2nd channel!
what surgery?
Schizophrenia is so pervasive. Drugs (illicit) make it so much worse with paranoia, hallucinations and psychosis. Patients are told not to take drugs and alcohol, then the doctors turn around and prescribe them all kinds of meds. They don't always understand the differences in the drugs and become confused and angry. My sister was schizophrenic most of her life. She knew the psych meds helped her (after years of treatment and finding the right ones) but she was bad about thinking she was cured when she started feeling better and would stop them. Psychosis would come next. That is the WORST with attempts to unalive herself. I still pray for her, gone on to heaven now.
Love you, sis.
😢
I remember this very well. The UK's mental health crisis and schizophrenia worsens every single time and police and health professionals don't do anywhere near enough to stop people before horrible, evil stuff like this happens. Not enough beds or secure units, which is a tragedy for all involved. Nobody is really safe anywhere these days!! 😢
we never where safe. way back in the day they just was not part of society, or gotten rid of in secret. back in the days these ppl either was supported by others as leaders or they victimized horribly by other ppl that most likely should not have been in any kind of power or care position to begin with. now they are free and not taken serious or suppose to fit in to a world not ment for them without support. no wonder we see it more often and incident happens.
While i feel sympathy for anyone struggling with their mental health my heart goes out to the poor victims and their families.
She asked to be stopped and they never listened to her 😢
But she couldn’t stop herself?
@@phenomskllz2502no, how these disorders work is that they fully take over their brains and bodies
@@phenomskllz2502 yeah that's kinda what severe mental illness does if untreated ..
@@phenomskllz2502 because she had a mental illness and it was untreated so she couldn't control her self
@@cats5956 She also had a hit list which showed premeditation..... So..... Drug use isn't a great idea either. People should still be held accountable. Either lock her up in a mental health facility for the rest of her days to protect herself and others or prison. Either one.
This case just proves that mental health care isn't taken as seriously as it should be. She was literally begging for help her entire life and no one listened. It's frustrating and sad to think about how confusing and scary life must have been for her because no one was trying to help.
As someone who suffered until I was 34 years old without diagnosis of schizophrenia, a big part of me feels terrible for her.
I attacked an imaginary lady that i seen at the bottom of my sons feet in the bed, 2 hours later i busted 2 tires trying to keep him safe. Schizophrenia is different for everyone and very hard for the person to process
I hope you're doing better now!! it sounds like what you went through was truly scary 💔
God I wouldn't wish this type of illness on my worst enemy. I know a coworker who suffers from this as well, and hearing everything that comes with it and being forced to live with it just sounds like a genuine CURSE for real😢😢 I'm so sorry you have to battle something so frightening
Did you realise something was wrong before diagnosis? I'm curious what life is like for somebody with undiagnosed schizophrenia. Did you know you were different?
I used to live in a village next to forest row, its full of weird people. Scientologists, Mormons, moonlight farmers, witches and me!
Not me getting the notif on my phone and her RUclips name was at the top but I read it as “Eleanor Neale stabbed her mother nine times and begged police to stop her” 😭😭
😭😭😭
I’m sure your initial reaction was WHAT😫😭
Oh how the tables have TURNED
It's not funny but I'm CRYING.
I know it is off topic but the joseph fritzl part at the end literally made my blood run cold. there is no way they should ever let him out
It hurts to watch other families go through this. My grandfather had untreated schizophrenia (along with substance issues etc) and was never given help or taken seriously. He ended up killing my father (his son) after trying to kill his wife (my grandmother.) She survived but it ruined her mind permanently. So this case hits close. Schizophrenia can be so harmful when undiagnosed/untreated, for the individual and others (although it's important to note schizophrenic people are not naturally just violent angry killers and can live happy safe lives.) She deserved help much sooner than she received it, just like my grandpa. The mental health system failed them and many others. I hope to see change someday and better intervention for people who struggle like Nikola ❤
I’m so sorry for your loss. That’s awful and I’m sending you lots of love and strength ❤
I’m so sorry for your loss. ❤
i'm so sorry for your loss!
A few thoughts:
1. I don't blame Tom for his reaction to that Facebook message. She has terrorized him his entire life, why should he be responsible for her recovery?
2. Kerry is a badass. How do you get caught 100% unawares and still manage to fend off a maniac with a knife? Goated
Telling your own sibling who has MENTAL ISSUES to “kill yourself” is pathetic. I’m not saying what she did was right or could ever be justified. BUT, don’t let down your sibling who been through a life of terror. Please think before you write.
@@woahhcece She tortured him since they were children. She brutally murdered his mother then tried to blame him. From his perspective, it absolutely makes sense that he would want a world without her in it. He is allowed to feel that way.
@@woahhcecealso let’s not forget he was on the list right next to the mother
as a person who has suffered abuse and trauma, I can absolutely say that the whole seeking out negative things and people because it’s comforting is so true. for me, Im working to try and undo this with therapy.
the best way i can describe it to people who dont understand this, is that when you’ve been severely abused most of your life, positive and genuine interactions feeling awkward at best (because you truly dont know how to interact) to suspicious and fake at worst.
my brain is always telling me that people don’t actually love and like me, they’re just faking it because they want something. so i get actual anxiety attacks because im always waiting for the other shoe to drop. i never take things at face value and im always trying to decipher ulterior motives. it really sucks. i hope that i can eventually move past it. what i can say, is that my current friend group is extremely positive and they me given me so much grace and patience. for the first few years i was super flighty and suspicious and i was always thinking the worst. but its been 5 years now and ive gotten to a point where i actually trust them to be honest and upfront.
its a process.
I wish you the best in your healing journey
Coming from someone who's been mentally unstable and went to the hospital a few times, them not trying to even give her help makes me infuriated. I can sympathize with her and understand what frame of mind she was in, the neglect from those around her is just sad. People only pay attention when you do something horrible to yourself or those around you
You’d think this country would have great mental health care, but it’s far from the truth. This case really hurt me to hear, my brother passed last year because he tried to check himself into hospital but they turned him away for unknown reasons, and he took his life the next day at just age 27. He did everything right but they failed him.
I’m so sorry for your loss
I'm so, so sorry for your loss. Last year my best friend lost his life too. He was sectioned and they discharged him before it was safe even though they knew his history. He passed away three days later.
Your brother and my best friend deserved so much more. They should still be here. ❤
Not uncommon. I'm so sorry you were both let down and you have to live with the mistakes other people made.
So sorry for your loss. We have a broken mental health system. I’m sorry your brother was failed.
GSTK.
I have diagnosed schizophrenia and the pure kindness that you had for her and understanding for her condition makes me so happy. This girl did horrible things, but the way you reminded your audience of her struggles and mental state is amazing. Thank you so much Eleanor 💖 Much love to you!
As someone who comes from a family that has some HUGE genetic disposition for mental illness, I feel so bad for Nicola. I’ve seen this with my own uncle, when the family is in denial about the illness from early on, schizophrenia can be even more destructive and dangerous. Many parents want to label it as “difficult child”, then the person gets into drugs as self medication, it makes the problem worse, to a point where it’s almost untreatable.
My uncle committed suicide, after years of suffering and of violence towards his family. He tried to kill me while in a psychotic break when I was a baby because he thought I was a messenger of the devil (we are a fervently atheist family).
We don’t have to judge too harshly a schizophrenic person that stops taking meds. My uncle couldn’t stand his : it made him so drowsy that he couldn’t go hiking, he couldn’t concentrate on anything so he couldn’t read, music and TV have him migraines, he couldn’t hold a conversation or articulate complex thoughts. He was basically going mad in another way.
For some reason, I remember him when he was stable, he was an incredible human being, highly intelligent and compassionate. But the illness and the lack of support destroyed him and the whole family. My mom would get highly realistic night terrors while pregnant with me about my uncle coming into the labour room and dismembering me, and doctors think that this gave me trauma before I was even born.
So PLEASE don’t let a psychotic person go untreated, even if you have to make hard decisions and face the illness.
this is such a sad case. she rlly was let down by everybody. side note; i would actually rlly appreciate a video abt Josef Fritzl. the story surrounding that has always confused me. love u!!
We get a Bailey Sarian upload, a Kendall Rae one AND now one from Ellie!? 💕 we're spoilt
And don’t forget Danielle Kirsty! She’s my second fav to watch after Eleanor n she’s also from the uk too:)
Don't know why ppl ❤ makeup and real life true crime 😢.
That's sad .
They are not just stories . They are real tragedies that happened to real ppl😢
@@shezdi5503 we are aware they’re real life people, do you never watch and get ready with them and listen to it as you go a long ?? There’s no difference from ppl telling the stories with or without doing their makeup they r just simply doing something as they’re making the video. Stop trying to have a problem and just live.
And That Chapter!
All 4 ladies are treating us all at the same time! That is my day sorted ❤ and Kimbyrleigha posted too!
the system failed her
It s a wild case!!!! How i never heard of it before?? Why she doesn't have the help she beg for??
The way the police left her in the emergency services. Poor girl.
She was left by herself, begging for help.
So much of this case reminds me of myself, minus unaliving people. I truly haven’t came across a case where I’ve really connected with the perpetrator. Mental health support in the UK is honestly disgusting. I didn’t get my diagnoses until 29 & 31 & left to fight my own demons prior. I mean, the help I get right now is hardly what you can call help. I’m left to spiral between psychiatrist appointments which is approx every 8 months. No other help other than $hitty meds.
relate to this a lot. its so frustrating when you struggle so much and there's no support there
What do you expect them to do?
Would you consider covering the brutal murder of my previous teachers at malmölatinskola (Victoria Edström and Sara Böök) and also the outrageous claims of the defence lawyer (Anders Elison), trying to explain away the planned attack with autism.
These women deserve to be known world wide..and their stories too..they were so lovely and deserve to be known, especially as it's a Swedish case it isn't really talked about.. not even in Sweden anymore.
Might sound selfish but also for some sort of closure..? This case has really affected me, I think also because my friend was literally right next to where it happened, it could have been her, it could have been anyone..at times I even wish it had been me....
Either way it's been really hard and I think it could bring quite a bit of peace knowing people are talking about them..
And I'd be more than glad to help out if you needed inside stories or translation help. Hope you at least could consider.
Much love x
(And for those wondering, yes, I have made a video case request.)
It’s not selfish at all to want to have their story heard, they deserve it, all victims do. Please never wish it was you. I don’t even know you but I’m thankful it WASN’T you & that you’re still walking this earth the same time as me. I’m sure you have lots of loved ones that feel the same. It shouldn’t have been you.. it shouldn’t have been them either. I do hope Eleanor gets a chance to cover the case but either way I think the next time I get a few minutes of quiet time I’m going to see if i can find anything on my own. I’m so sorry you’ve had such a horrible event hit so close but I hope your future is filled with peace & happiness. ❤️
if you haven’t already, you could reach out to stephanie soo! she does cases from all over the world on her podcast rotten mango 💞
Unfortunately one of the issues with mental illness is that often once treatment begins to work and the person begins to feel better they feel like they don't need the medication anymore and without regular checking in they are vulnerable.
This case is tragic because with proper care and earlier intervention Marion and Sally may not have tragically lost their lifes.
Actually Fritzl wasn´t supposed to be released, he was supposed to go to a ´normal´ prison and they ultimately decided against it
Also please do a video on him
one of the most difficult parts of some mental illness is that they are treatment resistant. i’ve witnessed professionals labeling this as someone who doesn’t want to help themselves. people who struggle with this need consistent intervention and support to succeed. so sad
Poor Sally she definitely didn’t deserve that 😭😭😭
And Marian too
RIP
crazy how this is the only comment acknowledging the victims
Totally agree. I feel for them so so much & their families. 🥲
As someone who has a brother with diagnosed schizophrenia and literally just went through a TERRIBLE spell two weeks ago. if she was diagnosed, she wouldn't ever be in the right mind to realize what was happening to do anything about it. Even if she was diagnosed likely no help would have came, at least here in the states it doesn't. My mom and brother fight like Eleanor described the fights between the mom and daughter. When my brother is going through an episode he calls my mom the devil and he wants to get rid of the devil. So she's not allowed alone with him just incase, and we always have one or two strong men around because he likes to try running through windows or beating down doors. His worst episode was last year January, absolutely no one would help, it took us calling the cops 5 times in a single day for them to actually say "well we could take him to get a shot but we'd have to bring him back here after". We managed to get him checked into a mental hospital after a WEEK of being here and he was checked in for 2 months and was still not 100% right when he came out. This time we took him to the regular hospital 3 times before a cop decided he was going to call a mental hospital himself and make them give him a room (thankful for that officer). It's a horrible horrible illness and they don't know when it's coming or what they're doing throughout. It's as if a whole other person takes over. Every time he's here for an episode even if it's just a day we keep all the doors locked and the dogs have to stay in a locked room as well because he either tries to have sexual interactions with them or kill them, just like everything else.
you know its a good day when ellie posts x
Eleanor inspires me.. My parents said if i get 70K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging..
when she posts shes talking about the worst day of someones families life. its not a good day when she posts, true crime should be consumed informatively not for entertainment.
amen!
@@Matt-id5miI think it’s a good day to post because then it’s education on these true crimes. It shocks me with these stories. I only kmow so many true crime/ serial killer stories but never heard about most of these stories.
@@namantherockstarJust subscribed. I hope you get there soon . Amazing you have so many subscribers.❤
I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at the age of 25, I was experiencing (non-violent) manic episodes for around a year, and I had begged my psychiatrist who I have been seeing since I was 15 for a diagnosis, but this was during the height of Covid and so I wasn’t able to see him in person, and he was against diagnosing me over Telehealth. So I ended up having a manic episode that led up to a psychotic break at the end of 2021, right after Christmas. It got so bad that I voluntarily put myself in a mental hospital and, finally, was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. During the observation period at the hospital, I had extremely vivid hallucinations and was at my breaking point. I was in the hospital for two weeks before they considered me to be stable enough for release.
I am not, and have never been a violent person, so I didn’t have any sort of violent outbursts toward anyone. But I did have a lot of internalized issues with myself, and deeply struggled with horrible insomnia due to my mania, and this insomnia led me to have delusions and almost entirely stop making sense to anyone I was talking to. And I ended up losing my job because of this, despite that being highly illegal in most circumstances, in this case it was allowed because I didn’t have a prior diagnosis, and they wouldn’t admit it was because of something related to my mental illness.
Basically saying, if my psychiatrist had simply been willing to evaluate me, after I had been BEGGING him to, or at the very least refer me to someone else who would, my life may have been much different around that time, and since then.
it enrages me that no one was checking in on nikola and making sure she was taking her medication.
it’s incredibly common for people on psych meds (including myself!) to stop taking the medication once they feel better because they’re convinced they’re “cured” or something similar. once nikola was on her own and doing well i think it’s entirely possible that she became convinced that she didn’t need her meds anymore and that she could function without them. if she was getting regular check-ins like she was promised someone would have noticed that.
this whole case is just incredibly sad. if she had gotten the correct help at the right time i truly believe she could have had a wonderful healthy life. many people with schizophrenia do. but she was let down.
I went psychotic when I was 18. I literally thought I was Jesus. I saw “the mark of the beast” on people’s foreheads. I have bipolar 1.
I am so thankful I didn’t hurt anyone or myself. I did nearly get into a fist fight with my mom. Which we had never been aggressive to each other. She’s an amazing mom.
Anyway, my psychotic episode lasted a few months. It’s so hard to explain what it’s like to so out of your mind.
Have you ever had psychosis since?
To be fair, stopping the meds isn't really her choice. They slowly stopped working and her mind convinced her she didn't need them. It's extremely common, especially when the person isn't being monitored and forced to keep on schedule.
I just recently found Eleanor and I have watched thru every vid. I know the usual demographic is younger people but I'm 45 and I live in a very small town in Oklahoma. She like my British friend that tells me horrific stories. 😊
Glad you’re here! Ellie’s amazing ❤
Welcome !!!
I’m in my 40’s as well & have been watching for years!! 😉
I don’t usually get so agitated listening to these, but the frustration that I’m feeling while listening to how she BEGGED for help, is unreal. The whole situation is unreal. I do genuinely feel horrible for her. Her family let her down by never taking her to get a diagnosis. The system let her down by not having someone check in. Some people just can’t be alone without aid. She knew it, and she asked for it.
I feel awful for everyone involved including Nicola, mentall illness can be so tricky sometimes and I feel almost as if a lot of people failed Nicola. I feel horrible for everyone who was involved in this case. All she needed was help.
"A hospital is deemed to be a safe place" My friend attempted their own life in the bathroom of A&E. Something is very, very wrong with the health care system in this country. I'm so sorry for this woman
How could so many people just ignore her like that? Unbelievable. Great coverage of this case!
I don;t get it she was literally begging to be helped in the middle of her psychotic episode, she was let out of the hospital just 3 years later even thought her mind was some intensively damaged, she was not given regular visits she was not helped in time, she tried multiple times to get help but no person in her life made the slightest of efforts to help her, there was so many huge red flags,huge enough that even she could point them out but no one cared they let her do what she feared. She should have been put in a mental health institution rather than putting her in prision forever
this poor woman deserved to get better treatment than she did. it's so sad that nobody in her life recognized she needed mental help as a child and instead just sent her off. I feel a lot of sympathy for her and I hope this case shows that we should really take care of those of us who struggle with mental health 💔
I don’t really understand how they didn’t take into consideration that she had a diary or notebook with a list of names she had physically put in there TO BE crossed out. She consciously made a list out of anger possibly in the past? But they were all in there to be crossed out and to be killed? Point is I don’t understand how they put it down to a psychotic episode when the list of names could’ve been made consciously with the intention to kill.
Imagine you get to heaven and gods like "you got a twenty?" 😂😂😂
Excellent work , Eleanor.
This is a sad case for so many reasons.
I do feel bad for Nikola but I also feel sad for those around her. I wish she could have been kept in hospital after killing her mother.
My sympathy to her victim’s family. May they both rest in peace.
I love the way you really talk about the victims life before and how nice you describe them❤
as a person who struggled with mental health my whole life similarly, I feel really bad for her & understand her. It's very clear to me that she really felt alone in the world and when it comes to her mental health she felt as hopeless as I do. I know what it's like to go through these things with great support systems, access to help, knowledge of my condition: and it is still very hard. I can't imagine what it's like without those things and the thought of it makes me wanna cry. still, in the end, she had control and I believe it was both a mistake on her part and the police/hospital staff, had someone been caring the second "round" from nicola this wouldn't have happened.
I'm enjoying the episode I just wish that Eleanor would take a second to tell the audience that schizophrenia doesn't make everyone violent, that having schizophrenia or any mental illness actually makes you way more likely to be the VICTIM of a violent crime than to be the perpetrator. I know these things happen sometimes, crimes like this, but it does help further negative stereotypes and stigma against schizophrenia and mental illness in general, so I would appreciate a disclaimer like that
oooh eleanor's eyeliner is so sharp! i feel like i could fly away with those wings.
She's always on POINT with her makeuppp
so true
“Draw the cat eye sharp enough to kill a man”
-Taylor Swift
We had a friend several years ago who on the cycle of taking the meds until he felt better and his mental illness convinced him that he was cured, so he'd stop the meds. About a month or two would go by, he'd go completely off the deep end and get sectioned. He'd get back on the meds and things would start getting better. And then they whole cycle started over. Why it is Nicola's responsibility to take her meds, it's frightening what the mental illness can convince a person is happening.
I love the way you tell the stories, you’re so respectful to the victims and even to the predators. Shows that you’re such a good person, you deserve the world Ellie❤️
They let josef Fritzel out?! How am I just now hearing about it?? Yes, you should absolutely do a video on him. That case is wild and I love your videos.
I have a friend who is Schizophrenic and bipolar. She takes her medication and sometimes she doesn’t because she thinks she doesn’t need them.
Oh that’s where I’m from. This woman and the victims were let down by the systems in place to protect them and it continues to happen to this day. My heart and thoughts with the family, always
Love the positivity you radiate and the way you respect victims and even the family of the assailant, and you’re absolutely gorgeous this hair style suits you so well omg. And the way you did your eyeliner giiirll😌🩷
My heart stopped when you said forest row!! I live right next to it and have never heard it in a video or the news etc. The church of Scientology is very difficult to get into so it’s impressive she got in at all? She went to my school- never knew that the “murderer from my town” was Nicola! Thanks for covering this case so well!
i appreciate so much that you came at this from a mental health/emergency services crisis point of view. things are out of hand with the NHS, mental health support and emergency services in the UK right now, putting so many people, including me, in some awful and dangerous positions. you could have easily said she was an bad person and moved on but instead you not only recognised her dire situation but are helping spread awareness to others about these situations. thanks as always Eleanor💕
I genuinely love how you are so consistent and level headed when talking about these horrible things. But I also genuinely love how you stood up for this woman. It’s not at all unbiased but she was failed so many times and you showed her the compassion she needed way earlier. It’s such a shame 2 people had to lose their lives because no one took her seriously when she was actively seeking out help.
I am from a very small town in Scotland (population less than 600 people) a man was murdered there recently by his schizophrenic neighbour whilst in an episode. The man had tried to befriend his neighbour since they'd moved in but unfortunately one night the neighbour became convinced this man was evil and stabbed him to death. Very sad case, and scary as it happened in the new houses right behind my mum's house
that's sad - people will say it's discrimination but I've had two very bad experiences with scizophrenic men that were both violent and I wouldn't knowingly be alone with one again, unless I knew them well and knew they had a support system that made sure they took their meds.
That’s so sad, I’m from central Scotland Lanarkshire. Heard of a few cases but then we have a larger population. I have an autistic daughter, I’m so glad I got her pre diagnosed at 3 years old and she has progressed so well she didn’t speak until aged 6 she was very closed over but now she has little friends a best friend she’s sweet and we teach her right from wrong it’s difficult for them to understand proper social cues and especially as she does have issues with speech she can get frustrated and angry, can get extremely hard she will hit herself. This is something she’s getting better at also. It’s so important to get this very early and always be on top of it she’s almost 11 now I still help her shower she can do most things on her own and still wants her privacy bless her only me or her big sister can help her. I feel so sad for her this girl was failed. This was neglect. I noticed this my dad at 68 noticed it her dad was a bit in denial but I pushed on and got her a psychiatric dr she still sees and she has LCSC unit in school one to one help she’s doing better. I dee parents frequently make the mistake of being in denial and it just absolutely fails the child.
Very sad but there does not seem to be much sympathy for the actual victims, her mother and Sally. Rest their souls.
The way my heart stopped when you said the name of the tiny village I grew up in! Last thing I was expecting
As someone who has a brother like Nicola, and yes it was diagnosed, I’ve seen so many comments saying oh it’s not her fault, she couldn’t help it. Mental health is not excuse for any behaviour. My brother is the cause of every issue in our family home and he uses his mental health for an excuse to his disgusting behaviour towards our mother. I don’t and won’t ever sympathise with him. Just cause someone has mental health, they choose their own actions at the end of the day and it doesn’t mean their actions should all be excused, they also ruin the lives of people around them. Imagine the siblings of Nicola, how they must feel too, they lost their mother and I’m sure Nicola must’ve made life in the house hell, yes it may be out her control, but don’t distinguish the life of others in the case
THANK YOU!! The list she made already showed it premeditated. She had a violent history and people said she wouldn't get help or talk to her doctor. I understand that other people in her life should have done more to help but no matter how much you help.... It won't work if they aren't willing to accept the help. And doing drugs on top of that? 😬
What u don't realize is u do not choose ur actions at the end of the day when ur serverly mentally ill I have mental illness I'm not trying to excuse ur brother it is not an excuse but it's an explanation when I was undiagnosed I did things in severe episodes and would hurt people I didn't mean to I didn't actually choose that. Don't u dare say that mentally ill people choose to hurt other people no they don't and it's horrible But yeah I understand how others might feel as well though that's why it's not an excuse
@@moonlightemily8110 yes I will say they sometimes do choose to hurt people and excuse it on their actions. Not all, but mental health is not a scapegoat excuse for everything
@@halenescariz7661 rxactly, like I am not saying this is for all. But some do refuse help and are difficult with it, so what can people do? Legally it ur an adult you can no longer be forced to do anything by others?
I did a research paper in high school on schizophrenia. It's so hard to keep any one with schizophrenia on meds. If you can get them on them they need help making sure they stay on them. The voices always tell them not to take meds.
If you are taking medicine do you still hear voices thought?
@@EarthisverysmallMany do. Medication really works for helping them keep balance between what’s real and what’s fake. In some people, it can stop what they see, but not completely stop what they hear. That, while the voices didn’t stop, they know not to listen to them.
But, if the voices tell you enough that you don’t need to take them, you stop taking them. It’s even worse if a patient accidentally skips just one dose, depending on how manipulative their voices are without the meds. Without professional intervention, they could very well be entirely convinced they don’t need their medication until they’re able to come out of an episode.
I wouldn't assume so but i honestly have no clue considering I don't have schizophrenia. I just remember while writing the paper that getting someone with schizophrenia on meds is very hard
@@Earthisverysmall someone told me that the meds only get rid of like 95% of the thoughts, some still remain but it is easier for them to resist while taking the meds
A couple years ago, my sibling was seriously considering attempting. My parents took them to emergency, and they were told that because there wasn’t an actual attempt, there was nothing that could do. That happened quite a few times. There were no follow up messages, calls or anything. My sibling and the rest of our family were on our own.
Both you and Danielle Kirsty are my favourite true crime channels sending love and respect from Derbyshire
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Eleanor your hair looks BEAUTIFUL!!! Thank you for proving us with these beautiful wonderful videos!!
I feel for Tom and the victims that were killed…. Nikola needs to be locked up forever nothing will help her.. I feel like ppl sympathize with nikola more than the victims as if it wasn’t premeditated the killing of her mother using her mental health as an excuse
I'm still on the intro but this case already reminds me so much of Odessa Carey's crimes - 13 years later, but again - an entire family and community devastated by poor mental health support and services 💔
I'm not schizophrenic, but I am bipolar and I just want to comment on the fact that she was responsible for taking her medication.
It's hard to explain how your mind can turn against you and the medication. I've stopped taking mine before because I believed I had been cured and didn't need them any more and because I thought they were poisoning me among other reasons.
The meds don't stop you from getting quite unwell, they also have really bad side effects. This combination can convince you that your problems would go away if you stopped taking the meds and the sad part is once you're off them it can spiral really badly really quickly.
She needed way more help than she was getting. She asked for that help, begged for it. And got continuously denied. That is scary as all fuck. Mental health needs to be taken more seriously.
Been watching you for years now and the storytelling is just as good today as day one.. love it❤
I don't blame Tom for his reaction, the way he probably sees it, his sister had always been an evil, dark entity who ruined his family, as harsh as his reaction was I won't judge for it. I do agree in some way with what he said though, she shouldn't be allowed to raise children. If she can't care for herself independantly, what hope does a child have?
@@theashwoodfaerie Can you point out in which of the 6 and a bit lines where I said it's ok to tell someone to kill themselves, I can't find it XD I haven't edited the comment either so it hasn't been removed either
I don’t blame his mindset either