ESCAPED CHILD KILLER'S MURDER SPREE
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Police: exists
Him: *and i took that personally*
☠️☠️☠️
I mean.....ACAB (but also murder is never okay)
He really said acab. Though, I wish he hadn’t murdered at all and chosen a new route to go about it😔.
STOPPPP😭😭😭😭.
😂
the fact she was picking flowers absolutely breaks my heart
Too innocent. Too pure... she didn’t deserve that
Reminds me of that scene from the old Frankenstein movie, when a little girl and Frankenstein's creation throw daisies into the river...
so innocent and gold... nothing gold can stay
@@beej7286 the outsiders and robert frost
That broke my heart. I used to do that as a kid. All she wanted was to pick some pretty flowers.
Him: Kills 3 girls
Police: baby I'm not even here 👩🏽🦯
Him: steals a bag of walnuts
Police: you are under arrest for a very planned mastermind crime.
But what about the chickens...
it do be true doh
the truth in this is actually hilarious
@•Kiyoko• iio
😂
strange man, running around in weird clothes and clearly out of breath: _visibly suspiciously_ "Can I come in and have a cup of tea?"
british person: "Bloody hell you've been runnin' for a while, come in!"
Im not sure if you're British yourself but--
Why does everyone think we say BlooDy hElL all the time bc it was said in harry potter a few times 🤣🤣
@@azzyntll Lmao yeah I'm British and so many of my friends say this unironically 😹
@@azzyntll i’m british and my family say it a lot lmao
@@azzyntll many British ppl say it
@@azzyntll is it the British equivalent of Americans saying "Jesus Christ"
Him: assaults a 13yo girl
Police: ok
Him: strangles some chickens
Police: *you what now*
unfortunately yes 😔
acab moment
Police are lazy 🙄
@@dakweenlyrics409 unless a chicken is harmed
Skyrim
Ugh the little first baby girl shattered my heart when I heard she was picking flowers before getting kidnapped.
Me too. I have a 5 year old daughter who loves to pick flowers and this broke my heart. Can't even imagine what that poor girl went through
@@Hanavannin Thankfully not much. IIRC she was unconscious thank god.
Yea, I could feel her personality through her picture... reminded me of my youngest sister and I wanted to cry.
yes..me too 😥😓
@@Hanavanninj88888888888
Liner is next level🔥
I aspire to someday be able to do my make up as well as Elenour
I wish my liner was this beast 💖
40 years old and I still cant accomplish that line without looking like I crawled out of the gutter.😭😭
@@amethyst5538 same here although I haven’t had as much experience 😭 I’ve been doing makeup for 10 years and I’m still bad at it haha
I'm pretty sure she has a tutorial on her channel
For a mentally disabled guy to kill a child an hour after he was caught and to do it without leaving any evidence or fingerprints.. And the family called the police 4 hours after he was caught. I don't know, world.. I don't know..
I agree, it doesn’t make any sense. Especially because she was allegedly killed around 7pm and he was captured at that time. However, it’s strange that he knew about the little girl on the bike’s death. I was thinking maybe he saw her riding around while he was on the run, but one the timing would be off, and two how would he know she died? Though I guess the police could’ve lied about him saying that.. It’s a very strange case
@@maries6368 the police could've lied, there is no evidence of him ever saying that. No fingerprints, nail marks even tho he had no nails, the timing, the fact that he insisted that he didn't kill her and that he was innocent for the rest of his life even tho he admitted to all of his previous crimes, everything is off. Maybe the girl was murdered by someone else and the police blamed it on him because they didn't want to look into another case and it was easier for them to just blame it on him.
@@Angelina-lz8oz yeah at this point I’m pretty much convinced that the police made that up about him saying he didn’t kill her. They must’ve been fairly corrupt around that time.
I strongly believe he is not Linda’s killer. Not by a long shot. John, with his 10yo brain, would never ever have thought to not directly touch her bike and grab it with a piece of fabric around his hands. Also, how could there be nail marks? And to top it all off, the timeline makes no sense. I really don’t think he did it. Had he done so, he would’ve admitted to it.
@@maries6368 The most likely scenario is that police lied and believe me, I have no intention of defending them but I think another possibility is that he did say that but not because he killed her, just because he witnessed something. Obviously he couldn't have witnessed theactual murder if the timeline of events is correct, but he could have witnessed abuse or some sort of conflict happening. When police made all their leading questions he realized they were trying to frame him. Why confess to everything except for that murder? He was going to spend the rest of his life in some institution or another, so at that point lying was just silly.
It’s terrifying that he escaped the mental hospital, had a cup of tea with a random person and asked ‘do you not feel unsafe?’
Yes very terrifying
I mean iw ould be like "Nah man i have a demon named charles. C-h-a-r-l-e-s The demon, Named Charles"
Guy: "Aueh W-what? the- the fu-"
I find it strangely hilarious...in that sad story full of victims
@@Subliminal_Loser is jjit h ono be no excuse ño B okk noo kkoic
I wonder how those people felt knowing later who it was
Please cover the Dylan Ehler case PLEASE he’s still missing and his dad is pleading to get his name & face out there
Yes may I say this also so people can see this faster
yes!! we need more people to know about this case
YES, I think it needs some publicity
i’ve never heard of it
Yes!!!
Eleanor: _"in his revenge , Straffen snuck around the girl's home in the middle of the night and strangled 5 of her Family"_
ME : _OMG ! Family Members??!!_ 😩😭
Eleanor: _"CHICKENS"_ 🐔
SAME OMG I FREAKED OUT I ABOUT SCREAMED
Same my mind went straight to him like strangling her whole family i swear my heart rate sped up like x100.
DIDO! OMG I WAS ABOUT TO TOSS MY PHONE OUT THE WINDOW-
I thought she is gonna say pets like dogs or cats 😑
I freaked out slightly, too
cases like this just make me think of those people of the older generation that are like “ahh back in my day we didnt have all these rules, kids just used to play out none of this molly coddling like kids today... they were perfectly safe” 👀 were they safe... were they 😳 xxx
honestly I think its because cases weren't known as much, unless it was a very serious serial killer, no one really knew. Like random girl got murdered? Sure a few people may know but not enough people would know or care, and just let their children play in the streets lol. also like every parent lived in the middle of nowhere
@@patch4537 oh im in complete agreement but we all know it happened and so do they know but you do still hear judgement from older parents on how cautious modern parents are and it makes me laugh. There has always been towns and cities and such where people have lived. Only in certain areas like the actual countryside would families have lived a way from each other.
Our brains have a habit of making the past seem better than it was. It's been happening for as long we've had civilizations. It wasn't better, your brain is a liar lol. Always remember, the past was the worst.
It just sounds like families who were lucky enough to have kids that didn’t have anything bad happen to them I bet
When I was around 6 years old, my mom let me play in this small field outside of our house alone and it was like the middle of the day. She normally doesn't let me play alone but for some reason she let me go that time.
In the distance I could see a tall guy walking in my direction. I didn't think much of it coz I assumed he was in a hurry and is just passing by.
But the closer he got I realised that he was looking at me and the vibes he was giving weren't right. So glad I did the right thing by getting up and hurriedly speed walking to my house. Swear he was so close behind but by some miracle my older brother went to check up on me (when he rarely did) and this mf did a complete turn to the right and hurriedly walked off down the street.
I told my family and they kept me locked in the house for a while for my safety. Parents, it doesn't matter if you're letting your kids play outside when the sun is out or when there are people around coz anything can happen to them and not all kids get away from these situations.
I don’t think that means you should shelter your child though. My happiest memories were being out with my friends from about 8-15. We would stay out all day until the street lights came on.
I had multiple run ins like that as a kid playing out with my friends- but we had always planned for things like this (alongside first aid scenarios) so we knew what to do. And we took safety measures to make us less vulnerable- we always travelled in HUGE groups when we were in the younger age ranges, always in places that were well lit, always in areas we knew that we could knock on the door of someone is something bad happened, we all had mobile phones etc
he did full one eighty Crazy . little rat but im glad your safe today
Totally agree 👍🏻 night or day afternoon or morning there are some weird and MF dirty pedos out there X so glad Ur brother did come just shows u tho X so glad Ur safe and are having a life my heart 💖 goes out to all the poor girls and boys who have lost there life to total f**ing horrible nasty people who pray on kids its sick x
And this is why people need to move in groups
@@Bringon-dw8dx Well, not all young children have cell phones, and even in groups, you can face serious danger. Look into the Jacob Wetterling case; he was abducted from his friend group when they were riding their bikes, coming home from the rental store. He was taken at knife point, assaulted, and murdered in a bush. My point is, taking precautions as you did is good, but kids can still be seriously at risk.
I mean, that might always be the case, but I certainly don't think I'd send my child beyond her backyard after hours, and not without some guidance.
The police: arrest him for committing a crime
Him: *and I took it personally*
Someone stole ur comment
😭😭😭😭😭😭.
@@okay845 nahh theirs was first, this was commented an hour after
"Screw the police, I'm going to get my revenge on them all"
*kills two random innocent girls, confesses immediately when caught*
??????????
Kids tend to do many things for no reason
I actually personally take care of my younger siblings and if they make a mess or cause trouble they have a hard time realizing that it was wrong and had no motives just curious and simple minded
"Just so you know who won this battle, yes officer, *I* did those things. I got my ultimate revenge, don't you forget it. Got em >:D"
I mean his IQ was 56 and the mental age of a 6yo, did you expect him to think logically
@@Marian-hh6es right. obviously that logic isn't going to make sense to a common person
“...he picked up a hobby”
“A rather unconventional hobby..”
“He began burglarizing homes”
WTF?! 🤣🤣🤣
What, you've never burglarized a home? Rookie😜
@@deez2569 I guess I can justify robbing a business but a home that is a moral error. taking what someone else worked their asses off for their possessions memories violates their whole family should be seen as more serious crime cause once someone breaks sertain mortal empathy who knows just how low they will go . ✌️
@@mammadingo9165 A good thief NEVER takes from the good.
@@mammadingo9165 The majority of business are small and people put a lot of hard work and financial risk to provide for themselves and their family yet you could justify buglarizing them?
@@rwentfordable agreed small businesses do work hard no one deserves to be robbed though I could justify someone stealing food from a chain supermarket ... I dunno given enough time I could give a crap justification for just about anything.
police: *catches him at 6pm*
*murder at 7pm*
also police: "he was back in hospital but it was definitely him"
Yh the parents definitely murder that girl
I'm not believing that he killed Linda. He would've admitted to it at some point down the line like he did with the first 2 and the fact that none of his finger prints were on her bike which is impossible and that Linda had nail marks on her neck when straffen was a nail biter (so he didn't have any nails to leave marks with) and the fact that he was already detained and back in Broadmoor an hour before neighbors heard a young girl screaming just none of this points to straffen as her killer.
Yeah, that's certainly a case I feel should have been looked into more before he was even allowed to plead. It was just easy to blame it on the mentally ill already convicted child murderer than to admit parents are capable of killing their own child.
@sleepy Eevee She did say he went around knocking at people's house. Maybe he saw her on the bike.
@sleepy Eevee he was in the area so he might have seen her. or the police could have messed up and mentioned it/accused him of it and that’s why he said “i didn’t kill the girl on the bike”
I cannot ever imagine a time when it was perfectly fine and safe to let your 9 year old go off to the movies alone 🤷♀️.
I did as a kid but that was the 80's in a really not real crimey area.
Times were different back then, my parents were allowed to ride a bike for 10 minutes to go to a friends house back in the 80’s when they were only like 9, meanwhile I’m now 17 and my parents still drive me to a friends house that’s only 10 minutes away
There was a point in time when hitchhiking was normal, things change
I’ve been allowed like that but it’s because i lived really close to a cinema and I live in a really small village
Whenever I was on a walk my parents would force me to take my humongous cat with me he legit looked like a freaking lynx cat so nobody approached me lol. He passed away unfortunate but he did become a father and my new cat is his daughter
can we talk about her makeup tho? SHE LOOKS SO GOOD
her eyeliner is amazing bruh
@@wolfi7229 for real it’s so even
@@starblack9374 right??? Im totally crushing on this beautiful English gem...
Stunning 😍
killer eyeliner and really pretty lipstick
I wouldn't even open my door unless I was expecting a package...I can't imagine inviting a rando in for tea lol
same 😳 but then again it is the 1950s times we’re different
I don’t even open my door for a package - only after it is dropped off!
It was very common back then, even upto the 80s. It was a different age with a different mindset.
@@2009socalgal that is very sad indeed
@Fordo_77 to each their own 🤷🏾♀️
I always hear how it was much “safer” back in the day and how ppl would let their young children walk alone etc., but from the looks of Eleanor’s channel turns out it wasn’t much safer than nowadays at all🤣
how is this something to laugh about?
No it wasn’t safer. And in the 60’s there was Myrah Hindley and Ian Brady! Not funny at all ...
Obviously it’s not literally funny, it’s “funny” to me that it was the exact opposite of what ppl thought was safe, like ironic, I wasn’t literally laughing, it was like an ironic type of chuckle, which is why I used that emoji
@@hottieee3718 I see your point to. It’s ironic, I guess cause it wasn’t as recorded the amount of crime and distributed statistics to the media. The small crimes which everyone knew of was most likely stealing of cars, stealing sweets and stuff. But it is ironic if I say so myself
I think they just thought it was much safer cause they weren't as aware as we are today but really it was always as dangerous as it is today
"His teddy named Rupert"
Stewie from Family Guy: 👁👄👁
😂😂😂 OMG
I just made a comment about that 😭😂
I was looking for this comment, wondering who else noticed that lol
LMAOO
LMFAAOAOAAOOA
I was just thinking about Eleanor and then she posted wow
Saamee
Same, I was just telling my mum about the Mary Bell murder that I watched on Eleanors channel earlier today!
i love these videos!
I was watching an old video and I got the notification and I was like FRICK YES
Same 😭
I've seen NO ONE point this out so far, so I'd just like to mention;
at the point where Eleanor said "So he happily demonstrated by walking up behind one of the officers and did it on him" or whatever, I was genuinely concerned for that poor officer. Like, she didn't mention him asking that officer if it was alright, he literally just went up to him and did it. Now, I know that he was in a room full of officers and they're normally prepared for this kind of thing, but Jesus that'd be terrifying. Like you're just w/ you bros, interviewing some guy who strangled a little girl, and thr guy gets up and says "Yeah ill show you how i did it" and he starts walking towards YOU. I'd just be like "shitshitshitshit" XD
*_s a m e_*
Exactly
they asked for a demonstration.
@@Gabbii_abbi Yeah I'm aware
Even if they asked for a Demonstration, i'd still be nerveous to play "The dummy"
Like this guys hands are right on my neck! He might be stopd in time, but i will have to live with the experience!
Him: murders a kid
Also him: goes home and sleeps with his teddy RuPeRt
Adult Stewie really turned out awful 💀
I just wanna say my dog who sadly passed in 2016 was called Rupert 🥺
@@hatenkocinderella omg I’m so sorry to hear that, losing a pet is never easy 💗
@@CharlieHorse4363 thank you it helps a lot (:
@@hatenkocinderella Yw 💗😭
That’s just so sad to know that his victims were so young and had barely been alive on this Earth and experienced life in general. :( rest easy, angels 💕
Why is no one talking about how STUNNING Eleanor looks?
bc this was posted 23 mins ago
LITERALLY every comment is talking about how stunning she is. She deserves every single one
That's all everyone is talking about lol
Literally everyone has and it was just posted
@@bethanydowson1017 this comment was before all the comments about how Eleanor looked came rushing in.
Him: Assaults little girl.
Police: ...
Him: kills her chickens.
Police: HOW F- DARE U
FRRRRRR
The fact that he knows his actions were wrong enough to lie proves he wasnt too insane to understand he was wrong when he killed the first two
Exactly! Also, what 10 year-old DOESN'T understand that theft, let alone MURDER, is wrong??? That's just preposterous. If all these doctors said he had the mental capacity of a 10 year-old at the time, then he DID know better. Shoot, even a 7 year-old understands that strangling someone and killing someone is wrong. People are just too PC and care more about the "fair" treatment of a MURDERER than about protecting society from his violence and getting justice for his victims.
That's often part of the prosecutions argument. If a killer hides the body, they're technically sane because they knew it was wrong also.
@@dx4618 scientists are now saying the brain isn't actually mature enough until after puberty to be able to make clear definitions between right and wrong. That's why kids will bully others etc. Look into it, its really interesting.
@@netsk1679 But why would they say that as if its breaking news when we all knew that. That only relates in the sense of stealing, lying, fighting, s3xual activities etc. Its not normal to kill!!!
@@Loclioness Most kids don't fully understand the finality of death. They may "know" killing is wrong because they're told it is, but that isn't the same as understanding it. Spend time with literally any child and you'll see they're basically sociopaths up until a certain point because they haven't fully learned what it means to be human. Like Nets K said, kids brains don't develop fully until later in life and they DON'T fully understand the consequences or meanings of their actions.
Little things like the fact that she gives content warnings, even though it means she might lose some views, are what makes Eleanor easily one of the best true crime youtubers on RUclips
Defo 👌
Yes, but there's also Bailey Sarian
Omg yesss Bailey tooooo ^^
how would she lose views after giving content warning? bailey does it too
@@imjinah4577 because she says that so if someone's uncomfortable they can click out the video and she wouldn't get their view
Police: Listen John it's okay if you go around strangling little girls we don't mind but don't be strangling our chickens that's when we get mad
I think back then they didn't take threats as bad as they can be and must have presumed he wouldn't actually do anything but as soon as he killed 5 of her chickens they realised he's definitely capable of what he said.
Imagine seeing his face on the news and remembering that you served tea to him just a few hours before
13 year old girl: He strangled and threatened to kill me!
Police: ...
13 year old girl: He strangled some chickens!
Police: *BANG BANG BANG* FBI, OPEN UP! *Kicks the door down*
No, no. This is in the UK. It’s not the FBI it’s MI5. Handles all the serious poultry cases.
@@ambitiously_ true.
😂😂👌🏼
I like how you're trying to make fun of American police using a UK case.
@@bashfulbreloom9294 when was I trying to make fun of American police?
Me, an American, hearing 55 years was a record for the UK: 🧍🏻♀️
Oh yeah the US is like:
"200 years :)"
Looked it up... it's 5000
@@ella3162 the record was for 55 years in prison, not how long he was sentenced for, highly doubt someone in america lived to be over 200 in prison 🙃
@@sophielouise2284 well of course they wouldn't live that long that's just how much their charge adds up to.
@@ella3162 but then you're comparing two different things... The record for the US is 69 years in prison
@@sophielouise2284 ok
The fact there’s a place called an “idiot colony “ makes me so angry how would that help anyone
Idiocy was actually a term not an insult back in the day. It became an insult with time.
@@bmp2791 thank you. It's like calling someone who cant speak dumb. They arent dumb it's just the word for it.
well that’s how it was back in the day. i don’t think words like idiot, backwards and the naughty r word we’re used as insults back then they were just the words they used for words we have now like disabled or mentally ill
I know so stupid criminals who could live there.
I literally did a double take when listening
Imagine how guilty the police officers wife must of felt
Police:
Him: ..i jUsT tHiNk iTs FuNnY hOw
So he's not mentally capable enough to kill someone and doesn't know why it's wrong yet he's clever enough to escape to a high security prison?
It wasn't high security prison, he basically just jumped the fence and that was it lmao.
Like, the guy just went around people homes for a tea after he escaped, and was surprised when the staff checked out the bus stops, I don't think it points to high mental capabilities.
Very true. To me it seems more like he was never taught boundaries and Why are these around. Plus the learning diability.
Just the thing that he escapes and is chillin at houses, it just seems like he didn’t escape some sentence, he just wanted to go out.
it's not that he was some criminal mastermind, it's that the "high security" sucked. like they had a wall and a few extremely neglectful guards, that's it
I mean, he had the mental capacity of a child and children are freaking escape artists dude
He obviously didn't learn much about what is wrong and right in his childhood seeing as his parents weren't the best of parents. I believe that he didn't know why it was wrong to kill the girl because of the newspaper that he read and the main reason [allegedly] to kill these girls was to spite the police he was doing out of Revenge and didn't see anything wrong with it but the reason he escaped a high-security prison was because it didn't have high security he could practically walk out of the front door and they didn't really do anything I don't understand why they would leave a murderer who isn't the brightest crayon in the color box alone
One does NOT simply strangle chickens and get away with it
P E R I O D T.
Dem foxes eat them and get away with it
#justiceforchickens
@@Gayas561 #justiceforchickens
I used to live near Broadmoor as a kid and I remember the alarm going off once when it wasn't a drill. My gran was staying with us and my mum forgot to mention what day the drills were on, so when my gran heard the alarm go off she assumed it was just the drill and so took me to the park regardless. When mum returned home, gran told her how impressed she was at how seriously the drill had been taken that day (doors locked, shops shut, all streets empty, shutters down, curtains closed, lights off etc) and my mum was just like "The drill is in two days..."
Turns out someone had genuinely escaped. They'd been caught pretty quickly and hadn't actually managed to get anywhere close to civilisation, but it still terrified my mum to think of what could have happened to three year old me and my seventy year old grandma.
not enough of these comments are talking about how sad all these kids losing their life is. :( RIP
ikr, alot of these comments are jokes about chickens or walnuts. :(
Its obvious it's sad and no one wished this on the poor children. Most people joke about things when something is sad. It's a coping mechanism
yeah but i think it's normal 1) because it's obvious, you don't comment the obvious but what called your attention and most didn't come here to mourn about victims anyway but to learn about the murderers. 2) it's not that relatable...unless you are very empathetic, have children, know or have been a victim yourself most ppl can't understand the gravity of these...like teens or ppl who never had any real lost
Yeah, a lot of the comments are joking around and it's pretty disappointing. Eleanor even mentions a young girl being raped twice and murdered and the comments are still like "lmao chickens".
mental illness can be so dangerous :(
How sad that this little girl was expecting flowers and ended up like this... Five years old man😢
@Rytis Cyber mine ha
Who would let their (young) daughter go out alone after another girl just was murdered in the area? Maybe it's the time, but I wouldn't let my children go out alone for quite some time after that..
Edit: it has been pointed out that the times were really different back then. I understand, I just wrote this in the heat of the moment from my own perspective. I don't mean to be hurtful or ignorant (if it sounded that way). I also don't blame the parents, because actually thinking about it, I understand why they did what they did. I won't delete this because I hope others will also learn from this (so please read the replies!)
It’s insane to think about letting a six year old by themselves, beyond murder there’s so things that could go wrong. But especially with a fresh child homicide.
to be fair when i was a little girl i was fine to go out by myself even as young as 6 and i and just play on the street, so even back in the 2000s it was just so normal, i think it’s a relatively new thing for parents to be watching their children pretty much 24/7
@@DylanRomanov yes, we weren't allowed until the age of around 11 to go out into the town (of 1200 people total) from our parents. There were of course certain exceptions, like going to a friend's house or going to school, but the playground was off limits if there wasn't any guardian (my parents/family or someone they trusted).
I now understand why they did that, because our town is kinda known for drug stuff, so I'm thankful they kept us out of certain places at that age:)
@@eviehnt my parents kept us pretty close😬
Part of it is the era. Very normal in the 50’s for kids to be out playing without a supervising adult. Part of it is also “oh it’ll never happen to us”.
Thank you for not saying the R-slur, even though it was his technical diagnosis
Not enough people have talked about this. I’m so happy that I’m not the only one that is thankful!
ikr.
The whole “r word” and p word” is so dumb Fr. Those both could be different things and yeah you can match context with what it could mean. But some people could have no clue what you mean and then what your saying loses all it value.
@@Tata83102 so you’re basically saying that it isn’t offensive and it doesn’t matter?
@@elliebellieboo no I never said that. Idk how you could possibly take that from what I said you must’ve failed English. I said saying “r word” could mean many things. And just saying “r word” and “p word” is dumb because different things can fit into that. I’m not going to say what you can use your imagination. All I know is saying r word takes away the seriousness of it. If someone came up to me and said “I just got r****” it would hit a lot harder than then saying “I got r worded”. And many people agree with me.
I love how respectful Elenor is when talking about these cases. I just thought that should be mentioned
Him: "What would you do if I killed you?"
Me: "Umm...die?"
LMAOO 💀💀💀
Tbh my response would probably be “haunt you” 😂😂
lol me too
It is super suspicious that he said that out loud. He was so confident to confess to the first 2. I think it's possible the family saw their chance and took it. Maybe he heard somebody mention it or possibly seen the little girl sometime when he was out. But to outright deny that he did it...? Didn't seem like him.. In a weird way. Also, the nails are a super suspicious clue. I feel like the cops seen an easy out for this little girls murder and didn't even bother to really look into it. It all seems off.
also the timeline doesnt match up
Maybe they said "oh have you seen the little girl on the bike" or somthing like that so he said I didn't kill her cuz its not the first time police question him for murdring a little girl
@@thebunny8826 but she said the police didn’t say a thing about the little girl, still I don’t think he killed the 3 victim
I believe he did it. It was his MO to kill a little girl in a meadow. He was in the meadow where her body was found too. I think he knew he could be given the death penalty if he confessed to killing another child so he lied rather than being taken out of the mental institution where he had a chance to live. I don't think he was as immature mentally as people thought and was more of a psychopath.
@Eye-Bone JoMabefojosis It doesn't match up. People in this thread are not mentioning that it is possible the police lied to cover for a friend. Like what if her father killed her and then staged it after having heard the guy escaped. And then the police just make the interview up so that they can cover for their friend who "really is a good guy, just going through a hard time," or some shit like that.
im sorry but im like ten minutes in and I have to say: WHY IN THE HELL DID THEY NOT CONNECT THE FIRST TWO MURDERS I-
He likely had bacterial meningitis, endemic in India and brain damage is a side effect of surviving it. I disagree that he did not know right from wrong. A 10 year old knows right from wrong. He understood killing meant going to jail, he understood that clearly. Back in the '50s they did not have the language or neuropsychiatry we have today. It's not like he encountered situations where he lost his temper and acted out in rage, he hunted just like every other serial killer, he had a victimology, he had a method and not having a motive for killing does not mean you aren't capable of knowing killing is wrong.
Exactly, thank you! 10 year-olds - and therefore those with that level of mental capacity, too - DEFINITELY know right from wrong and they know that murder is wrong. What it sounds like to me is that he didn't have the capacity for empathy, not understanding of right and wrong. It seems like he had a similar pathology to that of a psychopath or sociopath, something in that neighborhood. In fact, even certain types of Autism lead to the individual having dimished empathy, too, so it might have even been that instead. And while no one is at fault for the way their brain is wired, we are all equally responsible for our actions and we must all be held equally accountable for our wrongdoing, and certainly for any crimes.
And we're accepting that he had the mentality of a 10 year-old by IQ, which today still has some worrying pitfalls in "objectively" measuring the nuances of intelligence. His developmental variations do not make him incapable of knowing why violence is unacceptable, the same way 10 year-old children understand malicious violence.
exactly what i thought, tuberculosis was endemic in India at that time and tuberculous meningitis is a common presentation.
And showed levels of planning and calculation
I'm assuming that if you, or any other people that have commented on your post, have children around 10 years old that you let them make all the big decisions? Bedtime, sex, whether they want to go to school or just stay home & play PS4, you let them decide that fast food is ok as a balanced diet? I would hope that you don't as they do not understand the long term consequences of any of the above & also, are not even programmed to care yet. Neither do they understand the finality of death, by their hands or anyone elses or what going to jail really means!!!! It's no different than silly teens risking their life for a tik tok video that a wiser adult would not do! A 2 year old or a dog knows right from wrong but that doesn't mean they understand why it is wrong or the consequences. I love it when people suddenly decide to bestow all this intellect on children to facilitate their thirst for a weird revenge!!! Unfortunately it's usually Americans as can be seen by their justice system that even condems sub adults to death to placate the ignorant masses!!!
okay but the fact that so many people were kind enough to have tea with a complete stranger lmaooo
You know what lmao means it mean laugh my ass off
it's British law
I feel like maybe the “I didn’t kill the little girl” statement could have been misconstrued by the police to be a confession. Even with his young mental age, John had experience with police and knew that they were trying to pull a confession from him. If Linda was the only little girl in the neighborhood, maybe he saw her playing and kept running from broadmoor? With the other two girls he had prolonged interaction with them and decided after a while to kill them. I don’t think he would have seen a child while he was fleeing the hospital, decided to kill her immediately, and then kept going.
Just my two cents.
Just finished it and I was going to say the same thing. If I was investigating this case I’d stop and have another look before blaming anyone. The reason is appeal was probably denied is police don’t like saying they or previous generations of them have made a mistake. This wouldn’t be a wrong ruling from the court this would be a wrong murder charge from police.
After the conspiracy theory given I do think it’s very possible her parents or even siblings could have something to do with it and shouldn’t be discounted.
I was thinking he may have seen her body while he was on the run and knew that the police would try to pin it on him. Although, that wouldn't quite line up with the neighbors hearing screaming at 7 or the parents claiming she was missing since 6. Then again, the scream could of been unconnected completely and if you're going to theorize that the parents killed her that shines doubt on their entire story
@@suddentears13 I thought of that too but the time discrepancy kind of nulls that theory for me.
I think it's possible, her parents or someone they knew killed her, if he was caught by 6, and she wasn't seen since 6 how could have possibly done it? and then neighbours hearing a girl scream at 7 if he was in custody at the time he couldn't have, but I'm not ruling him out of that completely, but I do think he may have saw that little girl riding her bike which made him make that remark, or the police lied about him saying such thing just to pin him... nevertheless he went down for a murder he may not have committed and if he was indeed innocent there's no way they'll get justice for that girls murder...
i would argue that your point is valid, all his other murders seemed to be opportunities rather than planned. i don’t know what you could say to lure a child on her bike towards a field, it just doesn’t make sense. the flowers did, and so did the movies (to some degree)
him: assaults a child
police: I aint hearing that noise
him: steals walnuts
police: 5 star chase
The parents of Linda seem very suspicious but how did John know that she was on a bike?
I would imagine he DID see that little girl while he was on the run. We also don't know the leading questions police were asking, but we DO know he felt strongly that police always targeted him for no reason. He could have just yelled it feeling indignant because he really didn't do it, and assumed police were going to say something like that because of his previous crimes. His lack of confession just doesn't fit with his history of previous crimes.
@@cb3514 that makes so much sense. He has a history of confessing to crimes when guilty. If the parents took this as an opportunity to murder their own child, they’re just pure evil.
He probably saw her around riding her bike, I mean, he was taking his sweet time enjoying every nearby town.
Also, it's just so weird that he would confess to those previous murders and keep denying the last one till death, it makes no sense at all.
And as someone already said, we don't know exactly what police were asking him, but they were implying that he did kill her, so it's very possible that he got offended at what they were hinting and decided to deny it beforehand.
@@fersaid1582 There was a statement from a person who worked at broadmoor at the time that said he was given the newspaper on the morning just before his interrogation so he knew about the girl on the bike being killed.
@@user-ju8sy2pd8h personally i think it was either the parents or a copy cat killer.
It's only 25 minutes in and everybody's talkin by her makeup instead of the case.
Calm down... not every comment has to be about the case... we can also compliment the beauty guru
Lol, it’s mainly because they’re so early that they haven’t watched the whole video so they can say anything about it :))
well obviously if people haven’t finished the video they can’t talk about the case..
Calm down
@Jennifer Astle their not angry perse, the comment just visibly displays their pure annoyance over something that isn’t that deep
HOW ARE YOU SO PRETTY?? WHAT-
I was like "aw man she looks so pretty in the thumbnail" then clicked and I'm like "oh she's HOT hot"
@@recluseren3 good things about Eleanor 1: she’s lgbtqia+ 2: she makes amazing videos 3: I get to look at how pretty she is
@@Jax-AK yesss lmao my little bi heart is torn between wanting to marry her and wanting to be her best friend bc she might not like me like that and that's ok
@@recluseren *Cri* me too but I’m questioning if I even like men or not (I think I don’t)
@@Jax-AK that's cool! it's okay not to know, labels can help u or hurt u, but I wish you luck on your journey
this case honestly broke my heart. the first girl was only picking flowers, FLOWERS this act is so innocent, she was only 5. I can’t believe he didn’t even get anxiety or any guilt of what he had done. If I did this i would feel so guilty that i would confess myself. i couldn’t imagine how much pain the parents went through. 💔
Only in the 50s would you let a 9 year old go off watcha a whole movie alone
Actually 50’s,60’s,70’s,80’s and 90’s also sometime 2000’s it was really common. They just didn’t have murderers and serial killers they didn’t hear about it as much. They also had the ‘it won’t happen to us’ sorta thinking. Also it was safe to, it just isn’t the same anymore. It’s very different now. Times change
My friends and I went to the cinema on our own at 9- and that was late 00’s
@@Bringon-dw8dx I'm 18. When I was a kid I used to roam the neighborhood and go to the mall to watch movies that was a 30 minute walk away. I was no older that 8-9
I think it was the advent of worldwide 24/7 news cycle and social media that changed the mentality. It's a fairly new phenomena. Now we hear EVERYTHING from EVERYWHERE instantly, and it seems like evil is around the corner. It keeps us living in this heightened state of anxiety and fear. The reality is that in many areas crime today is lower than it ever was. Does that mean I'd let my kids wander out of my line of vision...lol no I'm too paranoid. However, my parents certainly didn't have the same fears with me and I DID have that freedom.
@@cb3514 that’s exactly what my mum says she thinks the problem is. She always talks about how if you wanted to see the news when she was young you had to go buy a paper, if you didn’t want to read the paper you could easily have no contact with the news.
I feel so grateful I was allowed to be free in the 00’s. the only kids I know that have that freedom now are other kids in my family
when eleanor uploads, i drop everything to watch her
Same sadly my notifications are just slow
reading the “escape” in the title makes me shiver
Important notes I feel should be mentioned: mental hospitals back then were infamous for their mistreatment of patients, and if you were deemed at all mentally unwell you were basically ostracized. Mental health treatment back then was incredibly traumatizing; mental health schools are still incredibly abusive to their students and often they receive parental permission to lock children as low as the age of 4 in a room for hours, or to restrain them. (One school I went to actually broke a child's arm restraining her and refused to get off her until she "calmed down" Which was about an hour. No news coverage, or charges were made. She did eventually go to a hospital and got a week off school)
So this man was never given the chance to properly learn about justice or property because he was never given justice himself, or given property himself, or anything. Of course what he did was wrong but it was most likely cause by all the incredibly horrible things around him that would've been just normal.
The police leading thing... I very much doubt that they got him to accidentally confess??? Like is that just me or is it just super deniable that they managed to corner this supposedly stupid man and mentally trap him
Last note: IQ isn't real. There isn't such thing as smart points. It is essentially just testing your memory and ability to follow commands (which is how we test animals IQs btw, how well they can follow commands) this case has shown the man is obviously not as stupid as people back then made him out to be (take his escape plan for example, it would've been tough to pull off without a bit of quick thinking)
I personally think that he did not kill Linda (or whoever was riding the bike)and it was Linda's parents because of the following reasons.
- His fingerprints were not on the bike and he did not have gloves
- John was in custody by the time the screams were heard
- He was so open about the killings of the other two murders
- The parents are hella suspicious
- The parents didn't call the police until 5 hours after she went missing
- If John had killed Linda and he already had a life sentence we would have admitted to the murder by then
I also feel like the parents got him involved in the murder or maybe he saw it, thats the only part 8m a bit confused about.
Right but like why did he say he didn’t kill the little girl on the bike when no one knew abt it yet?
However how did he know about the girls murder and the bike??? That’s the only part that puzzles me.
maybe he saw the little girl on her bike but never killed her he was mentally the age of a child and was so open about killing those other girls he didn't deny it it is extremely strange that is wasn't until 5 hours went past they reported her missing that on its own sends alarm bells ringing he was a vile monster there is no denying that but to convict him if he did not kill her is wrong
@@fareehazaman a) police lied and he actually never said that, b) he saw her and figured out what the leading questions were in relation to because policed messed up and actually said something that hinted at it or c) he saw her, he witnessed something suspicious or some abuse and when he heard the leading questions he figured what happened and that police was trying to frame him.
And his mindset was only of a 10-year-old how could even plan to take gloves with him and hide evidence or even to throw the bike somewhere else when he left the crime scene the same in all the other crimes
Tbh I wouldn’t let my 9-year-old child go to a cinema by herself after such a horrible thing had happened to another child not far away
Until I was like 14 the only place I could be without an adult was the gated and guarded community I lived in.
So I really don’t know if you will see this, but I really want you to cover the case of Zahra Baker. She was a ten year old girl who had cancer hearing problems and a prosthetic leg born in Australia but moved to North Carolina near my home town. I remember being a child watching all of the updates, and I will never forget how heart broken I was once she was found, murdered in such a horrific and brutal way (not even police know the real cause of death) Truly made me realize at such a young age how unsafe this world truly is.
Omg I looked it up & damn. that Poor child :( To be dealing with so much at such a young age and then killed so gruesomely & dismembered by her step mother!!!! Just so sad. Im glad that evil woman is in prison, hopefully for the rest of her miserable life.!
Yes, I remember that case as well. I still feel that the bio Dad should’ve been charged with something. He allowed that Step mother to have complete control over little Zahra… and turned a blind eye to her being abused.
my mum used to work are horetham hospital, she has lots of story about how badly the patients were treated.. she’s pretty much scarred by her time there
Unfortunately, the abuse of patients with mental problems is very prevalent and soooo sad and unfair. Having said that, when it comes to CRIMINALS with mental problems (who, for example, are institutionalized for killing innocent children).....if I were a worker, I don't know how I would be able to treat them nicely as if they were just any other person. I wouldn't abuse them, but I wouldn't be able to be nice to them either. 😕
You guys are talking about her makeup and obviously it’s amazing but like he escaped and was just like “can I have tea” and these people at their doors were just like “eh seems fair enough come inside my house stranger I don’t know” ????
Times were different back then it wouldn’t have been that weird
My mom let a strange man in the other day. He was asking to use the bathroom..
Ok but I think we're getting better cause there was a study that showed how boomers were surprised that millennials wouldn't awenser the door unless they knew them
it was normal back then x
Guy: kills 3 young girls - public outraged
Judge: sentences to death
Public: still outraged
Me: 👁👄👁
Well he had a very child like mind and it really did seem that he did not get what he did. He confessed to crimes that the police did not ask him about or even think he was connected to.
Yes he did murder but he did not understand how bad that is. That's why they were still outraged.
I don't support the death penalty either tbh so I understand why they were angry
I don’t support the death penalty at all, so I understand why some people were upset. Especially if they would prefer he ‘rot in prison’
they were outraged because the death penalty is horrible not because he was being punished
@@KawaiiKittenDoll so he could understand that a 5 yr old was unconscious and that was his perfect opportunity to kill her but he’s “too mental to face actually punishment”? Idc how slow he is. He killed 3 young children who didn’t even experience life. He deserves death.
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How was he found guilty of Linda's murder if the only evidence is police claims? Isn't it like, a definition of reasonable doubt?
That poor girl didn't even get the justice she deserved.
Can we talk about how beautiful Eleanor’s hair is today!! The curls suit you so much!
Omg, was just about to comment this!
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Could you please cover the Andrew Walker murderer, he’s my grandma’s nephew and he’s still alive and lots of people are angry he’s free. It’s quite an interesting story. We have nothing to do with him tho obviously
Eleanor’s vids are free therapy 😌 was having a breakdown then I saw a new vid and gave me instant serotonin
This is an older video i missed so watching it now. Really happy with your presentation of the cases
Corpse: E-girls are ruining my life
Him: Police are ruining my life
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@@rsukut5866 all hail Bingus
@@neeya3734 Whose Bingus?
@@marlataylor5435 an internet cat Coprse Husband likes :D
@@neeya3734 I'm not even a fan of corpse husband but praise Bingus
eleanor has educated me more then my teacher. :)
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So has Nora..
@@netsk1679 😄
then some of my teachers.
@@netsk1679 hahahah
Police: so John what did you do today huh? You were able to escape the hospital you must have been living it up right?
John: look I did not I repeat did not kill that little girl on the bike and then left her by a tree.
Police: Um...
Haha i can so imagine this happening
I did not hit her it's not true it's bullshit I did not hit her I did not >:(
@@crapjoe8634 Haha
@@crapjoe8634 Oh hi Mark!
@@Hannah-oj5lc oh hey johnny what's up?
him: kills 2-3 girls
police:uhh ok and
him: strangles chickens
police: oh hell nah
😂 Nice profile
Steals a bunch of walnuts
Police: ☀️👄☀️
she’s the best at storytelling and she’s literally heather✨✨
Ok yas let me be her stunt double like I need to be her look alike
Who’s heather? The girl from total drama?
@@k.c4178 it’s a meme, i’m basically that she’s really really pretty
@@siw829 oh ok.
When you're actually called heather but you're ugly af 😫
I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this case considering it’s so close to where I grew up
he confessed to basically every other crime he committed, so i’m more inclined to believe the cops were trying to coerce him to confess and he got annoyed. plus the timeline just doesn’t add up.
Yeah, I'm with you. It doesn't sit right with me, and it makes me really uneasy thinking a murderer very well may have gotten away with killing this little girl. It's very possible he saw the little girl on her bike while he was on the run, and assumed the police would say he did something because he assumed they were always after him anyway.
Wow! This was one of most tragic yet interesting ones yet!
I really dig all the historical info such as the Broodmoore siren, the locations in more detail etc.
Well done,Eleanor! 🖤
The last time I was this early, Eleanor was fine as fuck and meant absulewtly nuh dishrespect to anyone she talks about in this videuh.
This cracked me up lmao
bro I-
I just realised what you were saying💀
@@imanievelyn4645 its not rude in anyway, he said she looked fine as fuck, a compliment and quoted her exact words at the beginning of every video. You look too deep into things 🤦🏽
Sorry I meant they
Because he was caught stealing... a bag of walnuts 🤣🤣🤣
walnuts: *there*
him: mine *hiss hiss*
Wait he’s in his early 20’s? He looks 50
Nah, check out other photos - he looks his age. I believe the photo darkened the shadows on his face, and he naturally has some bruising/bags under his eyes so it made him look older.
So I live in Hampshire and one of my friends lives on the estate just outside Broadmoor and honestly those alarms are chilling !! I have no idea how anyone lives round there.
i'm a simple woman, i see eleanor and i click
The poor kids those girls were so young they didn’t really have a long life and that’s just so sad. Have fun in heaven angels💕
My friends gramma almost was strangled luckily tho she went to the gym a lot so she was able to get away but still it’s scary.
Also I do believe that people can be wrong but why after a murder of a child would you let your CHILD go out like yeah it was a difrent time but still
not only was it a different time, she also mentioned that it was in another side of the city or town so it could've been that people on the other side didn't find out about the murder or the first child or they didn't take it as seriously because of the distance even if it's not that far apart
That 3rd murder sounds like he was used as a convenient cover-up and the true killer knew he'd be blamed no questions asked
Sadly, it's possible you are correct. The facts and evidence don't add up to it, and we already know the police were using leading questions. We just don't know what those questions were, though. It's very probable he saw the little girl while on the run, and thought of her while feeling like the police were out to get him once again during the interview.
obsessed with your content! Where i work at i have to listen to media via an mp3 player, it really helps me get through my work weeks! I appreciate your channel!! Thank you for spreading awareness to these cases that aren't so popular. And letting all the victim's names be heard!
I definitely don't think that he did that last murder. He would've told the police.
he believe he did but then again i'm coming from the family side of it
His denial is just the way a guilty child would claim he hadn't broken the cookie jar. I think he did it, it seems clear to me. It was a summer's day, it was bright outside for a long time, and the parents probably only got worried after it got dark and she couldn't be found.
Btw, see the woman that had John in for tea and then dropped him off near the bus stop, she probably felt terrible after finding out about little Linda being murdered 😔 x
He was able to think of a way to escape Broadmoor with changing clothes and all that...I think he was more capable than we think.
They are that's the thing
10year olds can be very inteligent to escape punishement
he knew that murder was bad but he thought that murder was the same as lying.
Changing clothes and... Jumping the fence when there was noone around. Not much of a 300iq plan if you ask me.
Besides, he was diagnosed in a time where it wouldn't be at all beneficial for him - by someone who was supposed to supervise him. And was later conformed multiple times by multiple different people.
I don't think it is much up to debate tbh.
Have you ever met a 10 year old? 10 year olds can do that. It's very clear he was not mentally well when you realize after his master plan worked, he stayed around and interacted with the locals and was confused as to what to do netx lol. Just like a 10 year old would do. Him scaping absolutely does not talk about his abilities as much as it talks about the security of the hospital.
Finally someone said it.
The fact that she was out just picking flowers and that turned out as such a sad story is just heart breaking 💔😕
I've discovered this channel a week ago, and I've been binge watching since. Love your make up wonderful accent, and love your videos. Keep up the great work. Much love from the US (Mississippi)
Consistency?? And an hour long vid??? Favourite RUclipsr for a reason x
If the Linda case wasn’t committed by John then why did he know about her being missing and her bike??
Considering even to this day police force confessions, even though they're filmed and voice recorded in the interview rooms, it's not impossible for the 'we said nothing about the girl, he brought her up' to not be 100% the truth
It could be that when he was running and trying not to be caught, he may have come across the her body but didn’t actually kill her. So when the police started asking questions and eluding to the crime, he started to panic thinking that he was going to be blamed for it and blurted out the comment about her and the bike. Not knowing that by saying this, he made himself look very guilty.
@@rebeccam1040 yes, but it was said that she was missing after he was already caught. Idk how he would’ve found her body if she first went missing when he was already back at the hospital.
@@MaeLanae But her parents hadn’t seen her for five hours. And due to the limited technology and knowledge, they wouldn’t have been able to tell how long she had be dead for. So what if she went missing very early on when he was still out because how can anyone know for sure exactly what time she went missing and was killed.
@@rebeccam1040 This is extremely unlikely. He was on the run for four hours, and there is that age old saying that the simplest answer is probably going to be the correct one. Here I think the two most simple answers are either he did kill her and accidently confessed, or the people who did the interview did in fact accuse him (or at the very least did mention a girl on a bike) and that's how he knew to say he didn't kill the girl.
The idea that he by chance accidently stumbled upon a girl's body in the 4 hours he was on the run is something that would happen in fiction
Personally don’t think he did the third murder as he would have gone into detail
She’s is such an amazing RUclipsr, she makes it so easy to understand and she’s great at telling these true stories
i love how half the comments on all of eleanor's videos are just talking about how much they love her eyeliner
Like 2 isn’t half😂
i love how eleanor puts warning on her more graphic videos
Hello, Eleanor, I hope you are well and having a happy new year. You do such a good job with your videos. Your research seems extensive, and your passion, enthusiasm, and empathy are evident. Keep up the great work. l look forward to the next video. :D