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People in 100 years:
"Millions of women in the 2010s were killed and maimed by samsung 7 cellphones exploding in their faces, yet continued using them as a means of showing off their status amongst the upper-middle classes"
^ just an example of how things can get blown out of proportion with time
Love your comment, really puts things in perspective!
Exactly, thank you.
And in 100 more years things just become so absurd
"Skinny jeans would become so tightly creased when sitting that woman would get severe cuts and over years of doing this, a person's kneecaps could be displaced"
@@thatperson278 actresses in 100 years:
I had to wear skinny jeans for this production and I felt like I was going to faint the whole time. I could barely walk😫
@@lollybowser that's amazing
“Back in the early 2000s, women wore jeans so tight, blood clots became common and often led to many amputations of their legs”
Or you could say, “in modern 2000’s it became popular to inject the face with poison, causing paralysis in the muscles in order to prevent wrinkles” the wonders of Botox
(Also 0 hate to anyone with surgical use, it’s just cool when it’s phrased blatantly)
"Many women decided to extract fat from their belly or their thighs to then reinject it in their butt to achieve an ideal figure." (brazilian buttlift)
Honestly, I can't wait to see what ridiculous shit they come up with in the future about the early 2020's.
@@cordeliathedm Upsides of being immortal, I guess
They wore high heels which lead to loss of circulation of the feet, it was extremely painful and uncomfortable, many dislocated their ankles and could never walk again ☠️☠️☠️
"First of all you will damage the corset, second of all you will damage your body" Yes, Karolina. Priorities.
Same order of priorities when telling girls not to have sex.
Bodies heal, corsets don't 😅
@@Danka42 you can get a new corset tho
but in 2077, you can also get a new body
@@aurin_komak pfft, I don't plan to live that long
@@Danka42 damn you'll miss the cyberpunk future
“during the covid lockdown, people wore sweatpants so much for so long, they boiled their legs until they were lobster red, and their skin fell off”
~some history book in 100 years
I read 'eggs' and was slightly confused.
Why can I totally see it happening if people get tired of polyester ?
HA I love this comment
More likely they’ll find this on a vague website rather than a book 😅
It's kinda weird but it's the cycle of humans
In the case of Marie Antoinette, there was a lot of propaganda produced about her intended to gross out her subjects, or make her seem even more opulent than she was. We may never know if pigeon broth is the beauty trend we are all missing.
Why did she want to gross out her subjects?
@@berenicethegirl she didn’t want to gross them out, people who hated her wanted to gross them out
@@berenicethegirl *She* didn't but as a foreigner and queen many people who were xenophobic or anti-monarchy spread terrible things about her for their purposes.
@@berenicethegirl I don't think Marie Antoinette wanted to gross out her subjects at all. It was most likely to the other royals or the peasants (as she was rather loose with the wealth, although it might be largely to the reason that she was a literal teenager married off to the French king that wasn't effective with money) not having a good opinion of her and wanted to slander her so that she could become an easier target to off. Though I may be wrong on this but I'm fairly confident that the propaganda that was produced in that time wasn't made by Antoinette herself.
@@free_cattappingstars3148 You’re definitely right she didn’t make the propaganda because she really wanted to be accepted and wouldn’t want to jeopardise that in anyway
"It's super nostalgic and it makes me wanna cry" *immortal time-traveller Karolina reappears*
Came to the comments to see if that had been called out
Agreed, I had some reactions to that but "nostalgia" has some prerequisites...
If she keeps exposing herself like that, the time guards will take her back.
@@intrepidolivia482 "nostalgia has some prerequisites" I loved that! I'm keeping it ;b Thanks for sharing it!
@@DestructionGlitter The TVA is typing...
"In the 1980's, women often had Hairspray parties, in which they teased each other's hair to see how big they could go, while also essentially getting high from the aerosol hair products."
"In the 2000's, it was the fashionable to have the lightest hair and the orangest skin. This look was popularized by the iconic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory which depicted peoples known as Oompa Loompas with orange complexions."
"in the modern 20s people had to wear suffocating masks in order to protect themselves among the virus"
I think the more accurate portrayal would be for the 2000s: Due to white guilt of the era, many people of European decent would intentionally damage their skin with toxic chemicals and harmful uv Ray's in an effort to pass for a an ethnicity that wasnt as guilty. In a counteraction, many also bleaches their naturally dark hair and apply it with unnatural colors to represent individuality despite the damage it did to the body due to fumes and stripping the hair of it's natural color. Many would claim the change in hair color was due to their individualism but in all reality it was obvious these people would try to mark their own bodies as a form of rebellion against an over burdening and oppressive society that leaves them with no control of anything else in their own lives or bodies."
Atleast that's what I think they'd say.
It's not white guilt. If they had any shame, they wouldn't be blackfishing and brownfishing or trying to make their eyes look Asian.
Also they would wear so much hair spray that they would combust.
@@Kitsune_Kai It definitely was. Guilt is the wrong word it was more like toxic white insecurities. We as black folk were called ugly, unruly and unkempt. Our hair nappy, lips too big, ass too phat,akin too dark etc. Once white men started to like those features, that's when white women started tanning, lip fillers, ass shots, weaves and all that. The Kardashians get a bad rap when it started way before them. Bo jackson for instance.
The feminist, woman bonding, class breaking hoop skirt idea to protect them from men is just a fantastical dream. Class was very heavily recognized and observed. The material used, accessories, mode of speech, education, and scents among many other things helped to maintain this class distinction. The skirts had nothing to do with safe guarding from men. They were very easy to lift. It was just fashionable.
Its like some people saying its safer to wear a skirt with leggings or pants under because its 'harder to get under'. If a man wants to force his way, he would easily rip the pants.
Yeah, this. Sometimes "the past was actually WAY more accepting than we realize!" stories are empowering but so many of them are so trite and misunderstood they almost make it worse. I no longer remember the sources but a) rich women were showing off just how much fabric (and decoration) they could afford, so even if poorer women had a hoop skirt it didn't mean they had _high fashion,_ and b) women who worked may or may not have worn a hoop skirt just as a matter of practicality--hauling hay to the horses on your farm or sorting coal outside the mine or crowding into a tiny overheated factory did not necessitate looking fashionable. A book I wish I could remember the title of had an anecdote about some farm girls who used I think ivy vines (or something random that wouldn't have held up for more than a few hours) to make temporary crinolines for getting their family photograph taken.
But no, the time period where men really thought women were too stupid to be trusted with the right to vote did not have mainstream fashion that empowered women...and the real kicker is, they DID have feminist fashion. Bloomers. Actually designed to be empowering to women and to openly make a statement about women's rights and fashion. They were never considered "fashionable" and were mocked by men and by women who considered them something for "old maids" and "angry suffragettes."
And the idea that "It's cheap so people of all classes could wear it" conveniently ignores the fact that lower class women had to work for a living and that the expensive part was the skirt to drape over the crinoline
I'm a feminist. I can't tell you how cringe that was to hear.
Literally, the church tried to ban hoop skirts because women weren't earing petticoats underneath and it was common for the skirts to fly up revealing everything.
There were sermons against them calling them immoral. There were caricatures in papers depicting women tripping down steps in public and the whole crowd catching an eyeful.
Women liked being free from all the layers, men liked having easier access, and the church hated all of it, claiming they were proof of vanity and a tool of immorality
The people who think nobody washed in europe prior to like the 19th century always seem to forget that countries exist outside of just western europe. Like scandinavians and slavs have been washing regularly in saunas and banyas for thousands of years, hungarians have all their medieval natural thermal spring public baths, etc etc
A lot of people seem to have forgotten about the concept of streams and rivers too... that used to be perfectly 'clean', regardless of infrastructure, especially 600 years ago. If you can swim slightly upstream of the Thames (but still be in London) now and be perfectly fine you would almost certainly be able to do it back then when it was just countryside.
Also, in like eastern/Asian countries and the Middle East, a prime example being Turkey, they had a culture of bathing and general cleanliness. I love the irony of learning about the ‘dark ages’ especially because tbh it was only ‘dark’ I’m Western Europe, other areas of the world were in fact flourishing lol
honestly idk about india's hygeine back then but idk it feels like the only dark age was western europe
@@zaynab7013 omg slightly off topic but your comment reminded me of a conversation I had with my professor. I was talking about how a monarch in my country(east asia) made the letter my countrymen use to this day, and his question was "Did he get western education?" and I was like that was in 1400's WHEN EUROPE WAS LITERALLY IN THE DARK AGE😵😵
Edit: Middle ages, not dark ages but the point still stands
@@zaynab7013 yeah I think when people talk about the "dark ages" they are only ever talking about europe, as literally the islamic golden age was happening during this period in the middle east for example. But to be honest, in europe the dark ages weren't nearly as "dark" or backwards as most modern people think, in fact the idea that europe went through a dark age at all has mostly been discredited by historians. The term was invented during the renaissance to describe the period after the fall of rome and before the renaissance but people were actually flourishing in between too. We just know less about the period, but from what we do know, like from the art they left behind, they were highly advanced. Basically humans have never been dumb
I'm just imagining a man in the 1920s sitting down and out loud just going "huh, i have never seen a knee in my life"
ahahahahaha imagine a group of teen boys sitting somewhere and being like "hey guys, do you think girls have knees?" "huh? why would they?" "i dont know man, how do they even walk" "nah, my second uncle twice removed told me girls dont have knees"
@@yonicorn1641 lmao
It's 1920, you are playing truth or dare. You dared a woman to flash her knees, only to your dismay you mate covered your eyes as she flashed her knees.
nice pfp
@@Mymelodymelodies ah thank you
“I like it because it makes me nostalgic”
SHE HAS FINALLY REVEALED THAT SHE IS AS OLD AS FASHION ITSELF.
Had to scroll down way too far to find an immortality joke about that.
Y E S
her act is slipping
she isnt even time traveller, she's time herself
also i'm your 420th like
@@sleepyexe644 Time Incarnate
_i now very want to draw her in the Hades game style_
"some knees were flashed here and there"
Man, the '20s really were wild
Legs for days. Also actual nudism as a political movement.
@@johndododoe1411 what? Can you tell me more? That sounds wild
@@eazy8579 There were nudism idealists arguing it would prevent wars because nude armies would be silly. Then there were other nudists that convinced nazis they were a harmless non-political entity to be kept around.
@@johndododoe1411 huh, that first part isn’t a horrible idea, but that second was just, yeah no that part was just unbelievably dumb
It was “the bee’s knees”
I hate that corset trend because the song is from the musical "Six" and is about making fun of the ridiculous (and sometimes made up) beauty standards for women through history but specifically Tudor women and now it's used to uphold the beauty standard it was criticising,,, ironic and truly angering
@@carlo9059 I wish!!! I hope it comes back in London so I can go with my friend 😭
Tik Tok (and other parts of the Internet as well) looooves taking things out of context
@@carlo9059 I would be honoured 😳🥺
@@ashildrtheswift3028 right??? I was baffled at how it missed the point so badly
@@carlo9059 that username...... Iconic
There was this TikTok where this girl was saying “why don’t we dress like this anymore?” and showed some Victorian clothing. All the comments were “because they did it for men, we dress for ourselves” and how ignorant is that? It basically implies that women of the past were vain and only cared about men. That’s so unknowingly sexist.
I mean yes it sucked that it was difficult for people to dress outside the norm but that was pretty much upheld by everybody and not every women wanted to do that.
True
Like we literally stole heels from men
I wonder though - I mean, if you saw footage of a busy street today, would you really think that anyone ’dressed outside the norm’ or would you think there was a strict societal standard? Most places I go people are pretty much dressed the same, esp if there’s an event. I think when we’re critiquing, we run the risk of forgetting that as a whole, people enjoy sharing things with others, like fashion. We kind of get excited about what everyone else is wearing and want to try it ourselves, then a few decades later someone is complaining that they only did so because anyone who didn’t want to was basically held down and forced into a fashionable style 🤷🏽♀️ Meanwhile, I suspect there’s always a few people who just enjoy going against the grain...maybe back in the day everyone else got as much of a kick out of seeing those eccentrics as we often do now?
I am always amused when ppl act that a specific hierarchy in which women could do stuff only related to men (can't inherit, don't get full or good education, have to marry or risk end up on the street), have a few tools at their disposal, one of which is their looks, so they use that to their advantage to survive and then the same ppl who forced women to have to really mostly on their looks go 'omg, women are so vain! Lol". This is gross oversimplification, of course, bc women working outside the home has been a thing and women did get some form of education but still. It's funny how the consequences are treated as completely happening in vacuum. Very intellectually dishonest. On top of that, idk who decided that men go bananas over bonnets or 6 layers of clothing, but... Okay???
"why don't wear dress like this anymore?" cause I'd be so sweaty like damn
They always show the upper society as the example too😭😭✋. Like sis, that shit was expensiveeeee
First off, I love this video. But also I wanna talk about the anti-sexual harrassment hoopskirts thing. That idea kinda doesn't make me feel empowered. I wanna dress for my own enjoyment and strategically planning my outfit around inconveniencing potential gropers sounds like a meditation in misery to me. Isn't wearing something to stop men still a form of centering your wardrobe around men? I love hoopskirts, but I'm going to wear them because they're pretty and they go swoosh and the swoosh makes me happy. I think women back then wore it because it made them happy, too.
this right here :)
And it was much more comfortable than having to wear tons of layers to get floof!
LITERALLY. The whole thing sounded kinda depressing rather than empowering. Like if I was forced to wear a bulletproof vest cause my neighborhood sucks that's not really empowering.
Hoops seemed socially required outside
of manual work.
There are reports about wealthy women
forbidding women.domestic servants from wearing hoops during house labor.
Emily Bronte write of an incident where
she wore a hoopless..dress to teach
a class..but was laughed out of the class
by the girl students who all wore hoops or petticoats--- she probably looked like
a house servant,.cook,.or other sort of worker at work (not in oft hours when
they often attempted to dress more
normally (fashionably, according to.what
they could afford.)
Those recoloured, remastered videos from the past make me emotional. It just is like a profound reminder that people have always been people.
My favorite part, is that you can see they don’t all have good posture and some swing their arms about while they walk. That and the imperfect hair. Just people being normal people
Ikr, they walk around like 16 yr old me trying to find my classroom at the new school lmao
The not-so-subtle misogyny of "women did dumb, deadly fashion for so long because vanity!" has always been mind-blowing. Maybe you just don't know history. Maybe that's not what happened. Maybe some dumb-ass saw a person doing a dumb, wrote a story, and now people assume everyone did.
Or worse, someone wrote a satire, and everyone assumed it was genuine.
No matter how the stories come about, it still astonishes me when they take root so thoroughly.
Good point! I think you are right, a lot of these stories about the 'stupid people with their stupid fashion choices' are misogyn, plus this trope, that they only wore fashion to appeal to men.. We sadly still have these stereotypes nowadays.
Men made fun of corsets, with satirists drawing all those well known comics of the corsets squeezing the organs, they made fun of crinolines, again with comics of them catching fire despite the statistic in the video being 300 women a year when millions of women wore them, and today they make fun of high heels, platforms, our makeup, if we wear too little like mini skirts or booty shorts, if we wear too much like mom jeans and oversized clothing.
There's a long history of men specifically making fun of fashion trends in women's fashion and that distorted satire becoming "truth" now. It's the same with lead makeup, yes lead is bad and yes it can be harmful but like what was said in the video it was used in such small quantities that the majority of people never saw any harmful effects but we make fun of them for it still.
On the other hand, there are actual deaths for things like surgery (the BBL was made safer after it was discovered it had an unusually high rate of death). It's also not like people with surgically-altered behinds are dropping left and right but I wouldn't put it past some of the stories to be true and likely, later exaggerated.
We also see them as 'stupid' when they just didnt know better
Yeah there's someone on tumblr who many years ago as a joke made a website about a former US president saying that they kept goats in the white house or some bullshit. They basically made a website, wrote a ton of "facts" which were all shitposts for a joke, and they've actually had their info linked as a source in real world published books on the president. And it was all just crap they made up for a laugh when bored. But now people think they're real facts. Like no. ROFL
Marie-Antoinette was Austrian and I could imagine she or one of her maids wrote her face water on a sheet of paper and someone read it wrong because " "Taube" means pigeon in german but "Traube" means grape.
So i guess someone missread it and she really just used fermented grapes or 17 grapes.
As a german i can say that there are a lot of German words that have two meanings in English. Like „Taube“, you can translate it into pigeon or into Dove. Stuff like this really sucks, like i never know when to use cucumber and when pickle, cause in German there is only one word. This is confusing me since fifth grade.
@Candy Cane Thanks for explaining it. I asked my English teacher once she just looked at me wierd and then changed the subject, i don’t think she knew it either..... We had some good teachers
“stewed and fermented” grapes sounds a lot more plausible than pigeons…i think you may be onto something here
@@mushroomkid4510 Yeah pickle is soured in a bottle with vinegar and cucumber is a freshly picked and big one. Welp our english teachers in Croatia explained that (although I already knew the difference) so I'm sorry you had those sweins as your teachers. Idk how some of those people even got a degree in english language to begin with.
arent fermented grapes wine
I was once in an Instagram comment battle with someone who absolutely believed, with their whole being, that poor people didn't wear "underwear", because they were too penniless. That the layers involved in everyday dress were too expensive. I simply said that back then a lot of "poorer" folk simply made their own clothes and had fewer outfits, and their underwear was very different than ours - it wasn't a matter of affording it at all, only the fabrics were perhaps of lower quality. But they certainly wore the layers and pieces meant to be worn as undergarments. They found this inaccurate and it took many other commenters to do any sort of convincing. In the end, I ignored their swears, and watched my comment's comments burn like fire.
But the lower classes only wore some undergarments. No crinolines, no panniers, no steel corsets in a farm.
@@verybarebones Doesn't mean they didn't wear any.
To be fair, it wasn't always top priority if you were very poor, given the cost of fabric.
When my (great grand) Auntie (b.1896) got her first job in service, one of the requirements was that she bring 2 pairs of proper underwear (one to wash and one to wear). She was only in her early teens, from a poor family with lots of kids, so she'd never actually had any undies. But the family urgently needed her to move out and start earning, so they said yes to the offer, and scrambled into action!
A local dockworker "accidentally" dropped a sack of sugar and was allowed to take the broken sack home. This didn't happen too often, but apparently it wasn't unusual (very poor area). He dropped sugar on this occasion because the sacks were nicer, iirc. Nance and her mum used the material to make the underwear, and off she went.
It was a long-standing family joke that she was working a respectable job, in a respectable house, with her respectable clothing, and the sugar company's logo printed across her backside!
She only died in early 2000, just shy of her 104th birthday.
It depends on the kind of underwear.
Example given, in soviet union unlike the West, proper bras and modern style underpants were a shortage item. Many women would stick to what they could sew for them and their families themselves from no-stretching plain cotton, so soviet underpants are more like what we would consider shorts and under shirt(often sleeveless) today. The same attire would be used while sleeping or doing gymnastics in the morning, sometimes even as sportswear. Petticoats would be also a thing. A soviet woman out of sports or labour would be wearing a dress on top of shirt and shorts - pretty much like our ancestors. Does that look like no bra? Technically, well, no bra. Not enough underwear? Not quite.
P.S. I recently surprised a guy who claimed that there's no skirts and dresses for guys exist therefore there's no trousers for girls with claiming that medieval people didn't wear trousers, but did wear dresses (and even call that a dress in my language) and chainmail/plate skirt is a popular historical piece of armour.
There are often depictions of lower class or folk costumes when you can see the chemise at least. In Northern Russian or Bavarian folk costume, for example, you see the top of the chemise. You would sometimes see peasants in hot summer or peasant children wear a chemise only with some accessories (like may be a belt or an apron).
Re: The Tudor bathing vid. -> So I'm a microbiologist and I'd like to submit that the idea that illnesses spread by water was not popular in Tudor times. People believed that bad air called miasmas spread disease, which is why plague doctors had long noses filled with perfumes. In the 19th century a London doctor called John Snow had a theory that cholera was being spread from a water pump and people thought the idea was ridiculous until he was able to stop the outbreak. Probably varied beliefs throughout the world, but I think this one would be highly relevant to the Tudor times.
Wow, Jon Snow really knows something! XD
Broad street pump!
@Nix a house near the pump had a leak in their underground sewage tank and had a baby with cholera. The sewage leaked out into the ground water that the Broad Street pump pulled from and spread the disease
Those plague masks were likely created after the Tudor era. Bernadette Banner has a video explaining the history.
During the bubonic plague (obviously slightly before “Tudor era”) there is also evidence of doctors prescribing breathing toilet fumes because they noticed latrine cleaners were less likely to get sick. Which I think points more towards the belief in miasma theory and less towards waterborne diseases.
It would've been fun to imagine women in the past being like: "Guess that skirt couldn't keep 'em away... Let's go WiDEr!"
It’s so fckn funny
"No, Sarah, I need an EVEN WIDER crinoline, didn't you hear that the plague is back? I want a built-in 6ft distance buffer and I want it in time for the opera tomorrow, I can't be shown up by Tiffany AGAIN"
I wanted that to be true, I knew it wasn't but really really wanted it to be true
Now we need 1 meter
Finally, i've been given away to isolate myself from humanity, WIDE SKIRT! Keep em all away, men, women, children, loved ones, all will be pushed off the edge of the earth from my girthy and highly fashionable skirt
As someone who does HEMA and historical combat, I HAVE found one garment that keeps men from harassing you! It's called 'full armor and a spear'. Even if they DO start to act up, well, you've got a spear...
Even better : the spiked bear hunting armour from Russia
@@thrownswordpommel7393 Indeed. 15/10 must get a set somehow.
While I love the joke, I gotta say that it didn't work out so well for Joan of Arc.
Joan of Arc would disagree.
Don't mind me, just taking some notes
Also cosmetics were toxic in many eras and we just found out talcum powder was toxic until like two years ago
It's toxic in high amounts. Talcum's main source is crushed insects. In small amounts it's no different from eating a cherry pit.
@@blacktigerpaw1 I think you might have got talc mixed up with cochineal which is crushed carmine beetles, though it's not known to be dangerous. Talc is a mineral that's mined. It can be dangerous because it's often contaminated with asbestos.
And what about all that microplastics and parabens in cosmetics.
@@jeanettemullins True. Again it's a common mineral and on its own in small amounts it isn't harmful.
You get uranium in peanuts, so...
Even the ancient Romans had lead makeup, and yes, it was widely known to be toxic. Some people did it anyway, just like some people now die due to back alley butt fillers.
i was in a play in high school that took place in the edwardian era and our director had her cast of teenage girls tightlacing into amazon corsets. it gave me extremely poor body image for a while and it hurt like hell. historical misinformation can be detrimental in some cases and i'm so glad you're correcting it. gives me hope for the future! thank you karolina
That’s terrible! It’s not even historically appropriate to use those Amazon corsets for an Edwardian silhouette.
I’m a costumer and I work with middle and high schoolers. I’ve done shows where the women leads are corseted, but I’ve either built them myself or bought nice enough spring steel corsets. I also teach the actresses to wear them, and let them use the corsets in rehearsal so they get used to it. And they lace to a two or three inch gap, just to get the right shape under the costumes!
@@thebadpoetI had a young actress, playing an older repressed spinster, wearing my grandmother's old long line bra, under her frumpy sweater. Not a corset, but definitely said "old lady". Now this was a university production and they weren't doing elaborate aging makeup, so only acting and costuming conveyed who and how old a character was. This was fun for me because at one point the character gets drunk and rips open her sweater declaring her ah, passion, for a young man. Of course the sight of my grandmother's white Playtex contraption got a huge laugh, because until then this young actress was playing the part, but it took a lot to see her as an old woman, but when the audience saw that bra, they "got it"! Well, rest of story. Well, I thought this girl's costume was all done with nothing to worry about until the director told me that it wasn't going to work, that the bra didn't fit the actress and was very uncomfortable for her. Well crap! I had checked measurements, seen her put it on etc. So the girl comes in almost crying, saying it hurt so bad, I checked it out and it seemed fine. Finally asked her where was it that hurt. At the shoulders, she said, the straps were too short for her and were cutting into her shoulders. Finally hit me, she had never seen this sort of garment before and didn't know that the straps were adjustable! Argh! Well, I showed her how to adjust them and the show went on. But I always think of those laughs as mine, even if I wasn't on the stage.
The Tudor one about smelling bad gets me, like... they still had noses back then, y'know? Especially since she's showing portraits of the Tudor monarchs themselves--they were rich! They could afford things like perfumes to make themselves smell nice (and wealthy), and regularly changing the linen clothes that are in contact with your skin and then rubbing yourself down is probably more effective than people give it credit for nowadays. I think we have this habit of assuming that hygiene practices that don't involve regular baths or showers are inherently disgusting and unclean, but people weren't stupid back then, they just made the most of what they had and all things considered, they did it pretty well too.
Plus the water back then wasn't really safe to use (depends on the area they were living in), the soup was pretty aggressive so it could only be used on clothes, which means rubbing yourself with linen was way easier, safer and more comfortable. And they were used to bathing, especially the rich ones, but it wasn't so frequent
Besides, modern times:
You get on the bus and you probably can smell one person that do not know what hygiene is and another one that uses too much perfume, cologne or other products of this type.
So yeah... Not much better, are we?
Yeah, idk why that woman was focusing on the wealthy when it came to their smell. Most likely it was the lower classes who actually smelled worse, because they didn't have most of the means at the time
A historian called Ruth Goodman did an experiment where she scrubbed her body with dry linen cloths every day instead of washing with water for an extended period of time and she said nobody noticed any difference in the way she smelt. Kind of interesting
@@hi-ve1cw I love Ruth Goodman, she's the best.
Marie-Antoinette’s morning routine with pigeon stew really sound like something the french revolutionaries would made up to mock the royalty
And if they did, it would be one of the tamest things they made up about her.
I mean they actually accused her of sexually assaulting her own son.
Yeah, she loved playing "farm girl" at her personal pet farm in the palace grounds, and it was someone from the previous generation that said the "eat cake" line.
@@michaelt.5672 I'm sure they started with milder stuff and then went with really bad stuff.
As she was German or Austrian they probably confused Traube grape 🍇 with Taube pigeon 🐦
I don't know, pigeon is a high end meat in several European countries, including France and the UK.
Ballet dancers’ long tulle tutus absolutely caught fire from pre-electricity stage lights, maybe that’s where the crinoline myth came from?
We have a few documented cases occuring at drunken party and accidents with fireplaces. Like it's not as wide spread as the myth but common enough to be a warning a modern equivalent would be phones getting too hot causing burns or cheap chargers causing house fires.
People also occasionally had highly flamible natural fibre tulles on their fancy dress costumes treated with petrochemicals, best case one could drop the crinoline without dying...worst case 15 of 40 lady's in attendence had server burns
Considering pre-electricity lighting was literally an open flame, this absolutely makes sense. Even the super hot glass coverings and coloured gelatine would have been a great source of burns. (Yes, we used to dye gelatine blocks and place them beside flames to get pretty colours. It was actually a thing.)
I had a dress catch fire (well, melted) when I failed to notice the hem was resting on the metal of an *enclosed* outdoor fireplace 2yrs ago, so I absolutely believe that clothes catch fire when you are swooshing around near open flame.
Re: the crinolines catching fire thing- I've read quite a few books that were written in the 1860-1890 range (by women who either wore hoops or remembered wearing them), and it does come up in passing every so often! However, it's usually played as comedy or to demonstrate how flighty a character is for daydreaming right next to the fireplace and not paying attention to her skirts, so I really don't think it was a very serious death risk. It also seems to have been easily solvable by smothering it with the rest of your skirt or a classic stop-drop-and-roll. I remember one book where the fire spread quickly enough that the woman smothered it by rolling herself in the sitting room rug like a burrito.
TLDR; definitely seems to have been A Thing, but not that serious.
There are a lot of poetic devices that get mistaken for commonplace reality. We have those to this day.
Let's not forget about Jo March scorching her skirts!
Yeah, plus practically every room would have an open fire. If you live your whole life next to an open flame, the risk of catching fire is much higher.
It would be the same thing as saying that people today wear bikinis and sometimes drown in them. Therefore bikinis cause drowning.
"What were you wearing when he groped you?"
"A summer dress."
"Oh, no crinoline? You sure you weren't asking for it?"
and when you replace it with modern terms, summer dress = no bra 🙃 damn this comment is underrated
"And why did you smash his head with a brick"?
He was wearing a helmet, so I guess he's asking for it.
Sounds about right, imma go smashing people with helmet cause they're practically asking for it. Right Chad!!!?
@@vminmotivationalcurve88yea64 Me as a toddler with my older brother
This just made me very upset. I need brownies . Jesus, I'm sorry, I wish this wasn't a line I heard alot. Oh my fuck.
Lol I love when people say the whole "what we're you wearing" because I get to say "my tinker bell night gown and my 1st grade school uniform" it's the only upside to be a child survivor
Since Marie Antoinette was an Austrian and grew up in Vienna the whole pigeons thing could really come down to bad penmanship. You see, in German the word for pigeon (Taube) and grape (Traube) is the same but for one letter. So since other fruits were mentioned this would seem rather plausible.
This seems SO much more plausible.
Wow in dutch the difference between pigeon and grape is also just an r:
duif (pigeon) and druif (grape).
Shows once again just how similar german and dutch are
The 'you see' reminded me of Dhar Mann😭💀
@@hecker3268 they didn't end it with "so you see.." and then a summary of what the moral was though
So....wine... lol. She rinsed her face with... wine.
As a person who lives in London, I was literally dying when she said "the River Tams"
21:43 I am jealous that Karolina is unaware of the whole subculture of History Bros who literally do not care about anything other than the wars, and very specifically just the battles and weapons and all that "heroic" bullshit, not even the resources and logistics side of things. (Protip: if you ever come across any dude saying, "Toxic masculinity won World War II," while there are several correct responses, my favorite is "That's a funny way of saying 'denying the Germans access to petroleum.'")
The idea that ppl could infer that from the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of women men and children all working together to survive is truly sad.
Yeah the kind of stuff teens watch to call themselves a hIsToRiAn
The logistics are one of the most interesting parts of wars. The rate of innovation increases so much it's honestly more interesting than gory battle could ever be. YOU EVER READ ABOUT PLANES DURING WWI? OR RAILROADS IN THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR? So much cooler than anything else.
I mean you say all that but I was only interested in the warfare, battles and weapons. It has nothing to do with "toxic masculinity" or "heroism" either, that's just always been the part that piqued my interest.
Not sure why you are trying to shame people who are interested in it.
@@visassess8607 The glorifying toxic masculinity is the problem. No shame enjoying some good old historical warfare :)
Things this video has taught me: I need to get myself a bonnet....for reasons... 👀
Morgan- do you need to talk
Does this have anything to do with the Donner party?
@@terrylawrence4121 hehehe
I'm the 1Kth like, touchgasm!!
A bonnet and a lover's eye... oh wait that means that I would need a lover. Couldn't I just have them made with my childrens eyes. Like 1 for every kid I have because they have the most beautiful and amazing eyes and each one of them is so different from the others.
TikTok: *holds out Amazon corset* look, it’s the good kush
Karolina: it’s amazon, how good can it be?
ICONIC‼️
LMAO
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TBH I THOUGHT THEY WERE ERET DUE TO THE HAIR AND GLASSES AND HEAD ANGLE NO JOKE 💀💀💀
Yep, that's what I was thinking.
No one seems to be talking about the GENIUS of when someone used Dream’s song mask to make a fashion reference. Now THAT was great.
Wait.. Topo!
BARN!!! YOOO
I howled so loud I woke my kid up, and then couldn't breathe to explain why.
regarding misinformation about Marie Antoinette, it's good to remember that she was a monarch in a time and place where those were... unpopular... so a lot of these rumours were actually started by the french revolutionaries. There are a lot of political cartoons and such from the time and Marie was a common target for exaggeration and satire as a representation of the aristocracy's excesses (this is where the "let them eat cake" myth came from)
so this is kinda like if 200 years from now a bunch of political cartoons made about trump were interpreted literally, there would be some truth to them but it would definitely be exaggerated or give a false impression. always take information about divisive figures in times of political turmoil with a grain of salt, and check any primary sources
I don't know why most people associate the "very pale face and beauty marks and 'too-much-perfume' vibes" with Marie Antoinette when she was actually the cleanest person in Versailles during the late 18th Century. She set the trend of the no-makeup makeup look to differentiate from the previous generations of the French nobility that did wear too much makeup and well... stank 🥴
I think the main reason is because
The only person they know who are a French royalty in 18th century is Marie Antoinette and maybe her husband
Oh hey is that Krone in your profile pic
@@putri7659 It's actually Canary from hxh
@@putri7659 krone 😭😭😭😭😭
They still bathed. Marie Antoinette was just infamous for bathing more than once a day. Her tubs are still in Versailles.
I remember watching a TikTok about how bras were created by sexist men, but I'm pretty sure she didn't know corsets existed before bras, but I don't wear bras at all
I dont either! Woooo!
Can I just say I love your username
Tik Tok somehow is the best at not understanding anything it's talking about and, often times, it completely misunderstands it. Honestly, if I hear something came from Tik Tok, it's safer to assume it's either completely baseless or it's the contrary
There’s this random ass man on TikTok who plays two corporate men discussing how to make women miserable (I personally really dislike the pick me energy the concept gives off but eh) and he did a videos recreating the "invention" of bras and it angered the fuck out of me oops
@@ayellowpapercrown6750 ohh yeah... He does impressions of John Mulaney
16:56 the lyrics are “we’ll bring the corsets, you’ll bring the cinches. No one wants over… nine inches! So what the makeup contains lead poison? At least your complexion will all the boys in!” It’s from six the musical
My top three favorite things of medieval times:
1. The plagues, they're super interesting to learn about
2. The clothing
3. Travelers/Aristocrats
War is cool too
@@DarkPsychoMessiah cool, but architecture and fashion are cooler
my favorites are
poison cases
plagues
clothing
architecture
I can and will rant about corsets, hoopskirts, crinolines, and The Limits Of The Human Waist until my mom stops rolling her eyes and saying "corsets are inherently misogynistic because their purpose was to make women sexy". That!!! Was not!!! Their only!!! Purpose!!! *screams into my pile of sewing fabric*
Edit: y'all please don't be aggressive towards my mom, she's not actually a horrible person, she's just a cynic who hates that fashion brands push the idea that to be sexy is to be liberated. Also she just doesn't care about dress history and I'm very bad at arguing with her.
My mother is the same..... it's all that they have been exposed to; a sexualisation, if you will, of the corset. Bitch I would rather my tiddies be in an S bend corset than in a goddamn brassiere like- 😂
I just don't get it, like, is a bra's only purpose to enhance a woman's sexiness? Why does this argument apply to corsets and not to bras?
Also: maybe women wanna be sexy? Maybe it’s strategic to improve your social standing or increase your marriage prospects or sexual prospects? Like how it is today?
@@cecilyerker hmm yes well you see my mom thinks it's disgraceful that our society has made being physically attractive so important that women use sexiness as leverage or a tool (which it is) and thus being sexy in public is suspect. No I don't understand her logic.
@@idek7438 my mom associates bras with pain, so I don't think she would ever think of them as sexy. but she's also never spoken to a person who's studied the history of corsets. so.
The lover’s eye thing wasn’t just paintings of eyes. They did little paintings of any detail of the face- lips, cheek, ear, etc. The important thing was just to keep it small enough that no one but the lover could identify the person in the painting
I know this is not how it was done, but, imagine for your entertainment a total cad, a historical palaya and cheapskate if you will, commissioning a single portrait and dividing out body parts to different ladies. Clarice and Jane get eyes, Nancy gets a nose, lips for Leticia, and Eunice gets and ear.... I know that's probably not what was done, but imagine the scandal of being able to piece together your lover's face out of multiple brooches and baubles.
@@wildmntflower "Damn, Clarice, your eye and mine look so alike! I wonder if they're brothers!" :D
@@wildmntflower THAT NEEDS TO BE A PLOT IN A HISTORICAL DRAMASDJHHFGFGFDJDFG
@@wildmntflower ok but I want to read/see this scene played out thoroughly, preferably with one satisfying comeuppance for said cad. Like turn of the century First Wives Club or something.
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I struggle to believe that medieval and Tudor sorts were as dirty as they're rumored to be. Humans don't like being dirty, and the sanitary issues with the Thames, Versailles and other large cities had more with them lacking infrastructure in a heavily concentrated area than it does preference.
Yes, you are completely right. For example, did medieval women wash their hair often? No! But they kept them covered at all times and brushed them A LOT, which helped them get rid of all the dust, dirt etc. People hear only that they didnt wash them which for us, modern people, means that they were completely dirty. Hygiene was just different, people need context.
Tiktok: "Look! It's the good kush" (corset)
Karolina: It's 18 dollars, how good can it be?
"Dad, it's the good corsets"
"Its the dollar store, how good can it be?"😑
omg I'd also remembered that vine🥵
Things that are never worth paying too cheap for
Tattoos
Locks
Beds
Underwear
Corsets
@@-starlit4911 also:
kitchen knives
shoes
headphones
computer chairs (seriously bro, your neck and back are gonna scream in agony after extended periods in that shitty, uncomfortable chair)
pots and pans. you dont wanna pick out black flakes of non-stick material out of your food? GET THE ONES WITH PORCELAIN COVERING
@@lessevilnyarlathotep1595
My chair is literally rotting, the pain hurts.
@@lessevilnyarlathotep1595
Knives are definitely a great investment, I keep telling my mom to buy a new set of knives or just use the other ones she has but she keeps using the disgusting, stained old knife that has been used so many times that the blade is super thin, we have other knifes but she just loves that crap for some reason
Ok but did you ever finish your book?
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The personal attack i just witnessed :shock:
Asking the important questions
Im the 1000th like. Bow down before me
ice cold!!!
I love how she talks like she was alive during these periods like I am full concises she’s like a 400 year old immortal ot some shiz
I am convinced that most dress historians, especially the ones who wear historical clothing in day to day life, are just immortals or time travelers who refuse to blend in or to part with their favourite clothes, and being obsessed with fashion history is just an excuse to talk about and wear all their favourite clothes that are centuries out of style.
About the hoop skirt thing, I watch a few different outfit historians and while hoop skirts might not be only for keeping men's hands off them, it was actually effective for that as well, and some men even complained about hoop skirts for that reason.
Maybe more of a surprising and pleasant side effect, but not the origin of the trend
@@Annalovesautumn In my comment I said that it wasn't the reason for the trend.
I thought that was from the wide sided hoop things
“No one wants a waist over nine inches 💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻 No one wants a waist 💃🏻💃🏻.”
No waist, only torso legg
LOL
So same size waist for a person that is 156cm tall and me looking down from 178cm? Same size waist for everyone however their hips and ribs are shapped and placed?
I wanna throw hands!
So what if the makeup contains lead poison? At least your complexion will bring all the boys in.
If you do not get this reference, please ignore this and burn your phone or something.
@@strawberrycow6614 just head, neck and legs.
I haven't even finished a video yet but
THE LOVER'S EYE BROACH think about the secret lesbian storyline in period drama potential THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIALLL
Anyway i finished watching it thank u Karolina for providing information to us in the most entertaining way
Also ahhh i have been hearted!! or whatever you call that!!
Omg yeeeeessssss
Y E S !!!!!!!! WE STAN
Y E S
As someone who is writing a lesbian storyline set in the regency era, the minute she mentioned those I immediately started thinking of how to incorporate them! Such a cool detail, this is why I love history.
Her: if it's bad for you wouldn't you figure it out???
Modern people: still smoke (it was recommended by doctors for the longest time)
Smoking is addictive, so no it’s not the same
@@headphonic8 looking pretty is not addictive ?
And tanning beds.
The lovers eye necklace something I’ve never heard of but the idea is so beautiful. I think I found something to recreate for Valentine’s Day. Always learning so much watching your videos thank you for creating them.
The issue with tiktok isnt the content, its the delivery system. The 1 minute video format is basically designed to encourage clip thinking and addiction. Its prohibitive to any kind of more in depth discussion because of the time and character limits. Youre being trained by the app to consume it, rapidly without internalizing it, so you get a large volume of low quality information.
Its too bad, cause i love some of the comunities on there, but the whole thing is designed to make any kind of deep meaningful content that provokes thoughtful discussion almost impossible. You just consume and react.
It's actually pretty scary that our collective attention span is being progressively shortened by new forms of media. If most of what you consume is 1 minute long, you are training your brain to focus for shorter and shorter periods of time, and that of course translates to being less able to think deeply and critically about things, evaluate things rationally and do your own research.
@@idek7438 yes, thats why even though i love the creators on tiktok, i decided to stop using it after 2 weeks. I could FEEL what it was doing to my mentality was unhealthy
Not to get all conspiracy theory about it but TickTock is literally used to disseminate narratives to people so quickly that they’ll just except it subliminally and not question it.
@@cecilyerker its not a conspiracy theory. Its clearly cleverly designed. Also has very obvious discrimination towards lgbqt+, native people, people providing educational content that the masters dont agree with.
A great example was, there a porn actress who talks (fully clothed) about the realities of the porn industry. Her vids get taken down for being sexual while vids of women wearing less than a sq foot of clothing gyrate at the camera and they stay up.
Natives get their vids taken download for being "harassment" even as trolls make death threats by the hundreds in their comments and are reported but nothing is done.
Maybe this is unrelated but I have ADHD and get soooooo overwhelmed just by accidentally clicking on those little "#shorts" of tiktoks circulating my youtube recommended page, there are so many things happening all at once (background music, text, people speaking very quickly about random stuff, fast-paced video and images) I literally can't handle it lol I won't ever download the app and will stick to watch video essays and commentary youtube.
Just wanted to say, the main symptoms of lead poisoning don't include things like skin peeling or other obvious things, it would mainly be mental affects such as irritability, developmental delays and learning difficulties (in children), weight loss, etc. Basically, stuff that would be difficult to trace back to makeup, which is why it was still used over the centuries.
Not that everything these people are saying is true, but there's a reason why lead was still used in paint until relatively recently.
Yeah, and lead used to be used in a lot of things, so it's difficult to trace back to a single source. At some point; if it had (artificial) color, it probably had lead in it.
Make up was actually made from white lead, which is a basic lead carbonate that occurs also as a natural mineral and has slightly different side effects from usage than actual lead. In make up long term use it leads to bad breath, tooth aches and mouth rotting, which was actually known, some people just valued the white faced look more.
@@TemariNaraannaschatz I didn't know that! That's really cool
@@TemariNaraannaschatz In fairness the lead make up probably looked nicer and was easier to apply than the alternatives. The BBC just aired a make up history series focusing on the Georgians, Victorians and the 1920s called Make Up, A Glamorous History. A major part of the show was recreating the look using period recipes where it was safe to do so. They actually did make the infamous lead white foundation and a lead free one from the same period just to get a feel for how they actually looked (they used modern products for the final look) and the lead one legit looked way nicer than the lead free version. The difference in texture and look was world's apart! Honestly I can't blame folks for choosing the product that looked nicer
I do think that neural abilities will be damaged . But even so, most women did apply them ?They didn't went senile over the years .It was in rather small amounts. Besides, science wasn't that developed yet . So it took time to figure out the pros and cons . If I am not wrong I am sure they did know of lead poisoning .
But it does need a certain amount of lead you know ?
I actually remember watching a video about the whole bathing thing from one of those debunking channels that does tonnes of research... they washed frequently. What stopped happening was PUBLIC bathing, and it was widely influenced by the spread of Syphillis. People started getting sick from it, and they connected it to the bath houses and bathing by submersion in water, so it became something looked down on and 'dirty', which is why bath houses fell out of favor, and the rumors started spreading that people of the time didn't bathe.
They failed to recognize the fact that Syphillis was actually spread by the OTHER activities happening in said bathing houses, however. Bunch of naked people in a shared space and things are bound to happen!
In either case, once bath houses fell out of favor, only the rich could AFFORD a full private bath, due to the labor and work it would take to lug the water to an expensive bathing tub (especially if one wanted it to be heated water and not cold).
Using a washcloth to clean yourself works actually really well. I don't understand how it's treated as if you're still dirty after using it. If you cannot shower for whatever reason, a washcloth is fantastic.
i’m disabled. i don’t use a washcloth because i didn’t even know it was an option, but i use loofas and really wish i had a brush. i feel like tools for bathing like washcloths are seen as “dirty” is because a lot of them were originally tools for disabled people, and a lot of the time ableist folk use those tools to further dehumanize or twist things in relation to disabilities. :(
Every time i read a ‘fact’ about Marie Antoinette that sounds crazy, I assume it comes from a rumour spread about her at the time.
even my history teacher said to take any controversial "fact" about her with a grain of salt. so many people hated her due to xenophobia, her not being able to bear a child for a couple of years (which was most likely something that had to do with louis), and how terribly the economy was handled during that time.
@@hideakisorachi3953 Tbh, after reading a whole lot about their consumation nights, I think it was more about the many witnesses being in the same room with them when they needed to have sex as apposed to Marie or Louis having health problems, it was extremely awkward for Louis who is considered the shy and nervous one of the two, cant imagine how Marie feels when she's not at all used to French court customs, basically he wouldn't move after he penetrates her a tiny bit, he doesnt even know what ejaculation is on the first night, until a doctor was called it after a long time and Louis was able to do it properly, the fact that he doesnt take any mistresses also makes me think of how loyal he is to Marie because taking mistresses was allowed for royalties especially the King
@@announced7964 thanks for letting me know! I didnt know about this, that sound uncomfortable as hell lmao. no wonder it took so long
@@hideakisorachi3953 Yeah, the fact is Marie never got comfortable with that custom ever, I know Louis was raised in that custom of people in the castle witnessing them do many things but it doesnt mean he cant feel shy towards something especially since he's a loner, Louis was criticized heavily for it because his grandfather was known to be the exact opposite of him especially when it comes to women, at least over time Marie did want him to consumate with her over time haha
Apparently she did "it" with her small child... yeah I don't believe it either
The thing about the fire... My great-grandmother's sister burned to death because her large skirt caught fire, she didn't notice at first, and she didn't know about stop, drop, and roll... May she rest in peace.
that’s terrifying!
Same with my great grandfather's five year old sister Pamela! Pamela succumbed to her burns after her nightdress caught fire
Oh wow that's horrible!
I once encountered a girl in a bar who's coat was on fire. I proceded to yell at her and hit the fire with my bag. She got very confused and just turned back to the bar while she was still smoldering. I assume plenty of alcohol was involved. It was so weird. Happened like a decade ago, when you could still smoke in a bar, so I guess that's what caused it.
So conclusion: modern clothes can also catch on fire and people for the love of god if someone says you are burning please take it seriously.
My aunt also died at 4 years old after her nightgown caught fire from the old 1950s style stove RIP Christina
Modern clothes can be even worse where nylon, polyester, and other modern fabrics are oil based 'petrofabrics'
I know I’m late to the party, this being a year old but one in- family story of my great- great- grandmother, who evidently was 14 when hoop skirts came into fashion. Her father thought they were immoral because one could see the bottom of the pantalets, o the horror, so she wasn’t allowed to buy a crinoline. So she sewed barrel hoops into her petticoat. Talk about heavy garments!
The pigeon thing probably is a confusion of French plombe (lead) with palombe (pigeon)
(or Latin plumbum and palumbum).
The translator didn't think to check? Great job.
On the pigeon myth: I'm wondering if it really is just bad handwriting. "Colombe" (which could be pigeon or dove) and "cologne" would look an awful lot alike in quill-based typo town.
Yes I wonder that too. The other possibility is that it was basically a collagen type substance made from pigeon or chicken bone broth. The collagen which is used in modern skin care products is derived the same way, people are just so removed from the production they don't realize it so it sounds weird to have that as an ingredient.
@@cincocats320 "Collagen" wasn't really discovered/named until the 1840s (by the French, though! They named it "collagène"). In Marie's time, they probably would've just called it marrow ("moelle") or broth ("bouillon").
@@cincocats320 yeah plus like if you want to make someone sound ridiculous, just use more ridiculous terms for whatever you're talking about.
"Her face treatment recipe was two drops perfume, one cup water, one young cow, two teaspoons chalk, liberal dusting of 24k gold on top"
Only the French would put a cow in a face mask, am i right
"Quill-based typo town" has me rolling.
Many things from (fashion) history can be traced back to oral misinterpretation and/or bad hand writing, just like the "glass slippers" of Cinderella where originally slippers made from squirrle fur (pantoufle de vair) and later (probably even before the story made it to germany and into Grimm's fairytales) became slippers made from glass (pantoufle de verre).
Came here faster than an A-list celebrity complaining about corsets
*e m m a w a t s o n*
Nice 🙌🏻
@@nameslesss *k e i r a k n i g h t l e y*
I agree, but like at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if they were giving them mass-made corsets or went ham with tightlacing to make things cheaper and give them an ideal silhouette (more nowadays than period). That would make anyone hate corsets I think
I always appreciate when creators keep power dynamics in mind and understand the difference between punching up and punching down. Unless someone is being actively harmful, there's no reason to punch down on someone with a smaller follower base than you. Good perspective 👍
I died hearing Dream’s “Mask” song
I was looking for this comment Lmao
@@NSD284 me too!
same
Timestamp?
@@aspertree4673 19:05
The stat about the number of women dying from their hoop skirts catching fire seems like the old-timey version of “you’re more likely to be killed by [seemingly innocuous thing] than by a shark!” if anyone knows what I mean
you are also more likely to be killed by a cow than a shark!
almost like the people who work with 500kg+ animals year round, let them lose on pasture to feed and chase them back into an enclosure after, get injured and killed sometimes
and a shark poking a human doing scuba diving with their nose like, 'hey what are you??' drawing blood and killing them is COMPARATIVELY much rarer. because we dont keep sharks as livestock and interact with hundreds of them everyday.
im sorry about the rant, i just get VERY heated about statistics and data manipulation
The recent one was: you're statistically more likely to be bitten by a New Yorker, than a shark. 😂
@J R 😂😂
@@JR-sx3gl that one makes sense
If I was ever going to get married I think that 'copyrighted waltz music' would have to be my first dance.
Shostakovich 2nd waltz, if you're wondering 😉
@@CClarinet123 wait, Waltz no2 is copyrighted?
@@saf4433 right? why would they copyright it? isn't it already domain/public use? what is it called, i forgot 😭,
@@annapangaribuan2315 public domain or something because Dmitri Shostakovich died more than 100 years ago, so copyright doesn't apply to his work
@@annapangaribuan2315 wait no, it seems that Shostakovich died in 1975 so his music is definitely still copyrighted unfortunately
no officer, i didnt just rob several homes
"take off your bonnet."
*and for legal reasons, i cannot remove my bonnet.*
sometimes I like to try and think about a future fashion historian trying to figure out how people dressed today from a handful of met gala photos the way we do from paintings of people in court dress
luckily, they will have Insta, RUclips, and Instagram to refer to xD
The fact that the difference between the Amazon corset and the one that's made to measure is so, so stark speaks volumes. It makes so much sense why people injure themselves in the cheap corsets trying to get the look you had in the made to measure one, you would probably have to break both you and the corset to get that look in something cheap!
Even an Amazon corset vs a $50 Orchard Corset. My Orchard Corset that I bought on ebay for $40 fits better than any cheap corset
I made my first corset to my measurements two weeks ago and I love love love itttttt 🤩🥰
@@cecilyerker Honestly there are cheap off the rack brands which are miles ahead of Orchard Corset (both in terms of shape being more anatomically correct and the construction quality being way better) so if that one fits you better than the cheap amazon corset, you'll absolutely love the next step up.
Oh and for "cheap" in relation to corsets I mean around 100 US dollars. Though my fave off the rack corset in terms of fitting my particular proportions are my corsets from Restyle.pl I like their CU style and it only cost me around £40 (slightly less as there was a sale but I can't remember the exact price). But I also highly recommend Mystic City Corsets (lots of different models to suit different body proportions) and Timeless Trends for their off the rack corsets. You can get a really decent shape provided the company knows why a corset has certain features.
People in 100 yrs: "Do you know how many women were suffocated by those thing they wore called bras?"
"they literally had to stay all day in them and some even slept! Bras would pinch in their chests and leave these huge red marks and it would hurt so much that the woman wouldnt be able to breathe or walk, but they still did it, that's why there were so many cars in the 21st century, women couldnt walk to places, so they either drove or were driven to"
@@yonicorn1641 😂
@@yonicorn1641
I do sleep in my bra and never really take it off unless I'm in the shower, and when its being washed I just wear a different one XDD I literally cannot stand the feeling of not wearing a bra, for reasons I'm not gonna get in to here lol
"And sometimes the elastic would tear through more than the fabric of the horrific things, but the skin of a poor innocent woman, leaving them dead. Brutally murdered by that... THING. It squeezed their chest and put them through pain. That left them in a state where couldn't even walk they had to drive everywhere and needed this other thing called coffee to keep them going. It's truly horrible."
And yet this feels like the truth as a G cup lol
I'm not even someone's who's super into corsets but it bothers me a LOT when I keep seeing people online calling things corsets that are in fact not corsets. Most of the time it's those fashion corset-looking things that you showed here, and sometimes it's literally just those elastic waist belts with lacing in the front. I watched several videos by Lucy's Corsetry before buying my first corset because although corsets aren't harmful, improper corsets can be.
Hi hi. Found your channel a few years ago. I am an American man with very little interest in history or fashion. I like what you’d imagine the stereotype to be : sports, video games, etc. I don’t know how I found your stuff but I love it. I learn a lot and your passion for this subject makes it all so fascinating. So thanks for the great content. Have a good day.
Ref: the "lover's eye necklace"... I once gave an ex a set of cufflinks where each had a B/W picture of us together, but they were so tiny that you'd really have to look at them up-close to see realise that they were even pictures. But he knew and I knew.
Since we divorced I sent him a new set of prints he could put in the cufflinks. Of him and his new husband - and they look adorable together. And it means he can still wear the cufflinks because now they tell a different story, as they should.
What a lovely story. You are an extremely sweet person and I hope that you are doing wonderfully.
That's really sweet of you ❤
Thats so sweet of you wow
@@katierasburn9571 Not really. My ex is just a nice person, which is why I originally married him. Other things changed, but he's still basically really nice. And we both have new partners, so why focus on what went wrong when we could just remember why we actually like each other? :-)
(Plus, there's absolutely NOBODY as qualified to give relationship advice as your ex... When he says "I think you need to apologise" he's probably right.)
this is so sweet 🥺
The medieval dresses one really upset me. Do people really think that people ran around like Cinderella?!
I mean until I found similar vintage fashion channels yeah I really did 😅 Disney really didn't help with anything either
Ikr it's like wearing a 1910s dress in a regency period movie
Do they really think she'd wear that scrubbing sooty floors for her step family?
Also, even as a child I thought Snow White was set in the Middle Ages but everyone's dressing in Disney's Cinderella (the animation, I mean) looked like something from waaaaay later in time.
Are you suggesting that they don't?
If you were working, hoop skirts weren't your jam, because they get in the way. They knock things over in a shop or a warehouse, they take up too much room in a kitchen, and they're not as squishable as petticoats.
Dr. Suzanna Lipscombe has made BBC shows about the dangers of different eras and she did discuss the dangers women faced from fire when they accidentally dragged their skirts too close to the fireplaces. She had the news articles as primary sources, so that one is legit. Same with the makeup. But the people in those eras were so enamored of these miraculous elements like mercury and lead, they didn’t connect that those elements were actually poisoning them.
As for that restored film from 1900, that’s actually some really cool technology. The original is put into the program where algorithms slow the “fast paced” originals made by hand cranking the camera to natural speed and optical algorithms fill in the gaps between original frames which were nowhere close to even mid-20th century frames per second. I’ve seen other turn of the 20th century films restored and it’s amazing to see the people going about their days rather than just stiff portraits.
Can we appreciate the fact that Karolina told everyone not to go all angry mob on the smaller tiktok creators!! RESPECT!!
She really is out here understanding her position of power and not abusing it while still correcting their misinformation. Love that for her
While in some of the other comments people just can't help but be antagonistic. Sigh.
Anyway, respect to you for respecting the meme mom!
"They were also dragged or crushed by passing carriages and machinery" - So what, Pierre Curie was also crushed by a passing carriage and I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing a crinoline when that happened.
Pierre Curie in drag confirmed!
@@stellasapiente8304 Brings a whole new meaning to word drag......... too soon?
Yeah probably... sorry Pierre rip
@@notmyrealname4363 😭
Was that carriage carrying the famous ton of rock for his wife's experiments?
@Nix pretty sure he got dragged by a hook then his skull crushed with the wheel after he slipped though
"Whats your favorite fashion era?"
No one. Absolutely no one.
BARBIE DOES THE 18TH CENTURY
when i tell you i want a whole playlist of Karolina just singing/humming/spoken word-ing ballroom songs or tik tok sounds
I was hoping you would comment on the “nine inches” trend! (But I wasn’t expecting a shout out - thank you. 😘) Your final comments were important too, I’ve gotten a few things misconstrued or just plain wrong over the years and felt a responsibility to amend this information in later videos. People are human and they learn - hopefully these creators value the truth more than simply making spicy controversial clips for clout.
:o :o Lucy!!!!
Yesss so glad you got a shout out. Your videos are amazing and so informative!
@@CarolChillsCasually thank you!! 💕
@@peskypigeonx what are you inferring from my comment? I’ve done several videos amending what I’ve said in the past - lacing gap shapes, surgical rib removal, certain brands that improve or worsen in quality over the years, views on plastic boning, etc.
@@LucysCorsetry i think pesky birb might be talking about the "nine inches" wording...
5:18 "Crinolines weren't these huge stiff structures that you'd just roll around in." I just had the funniest image of a lady in 1850's crinoline getting rolled on her side like a big barrel.
Literally doing a barrel roll?
OH MY GOD-
I just finished the chapter in How To Be a Tudor by Ruth Goodman where she describes how bathing in a bathtub was only a practice for wealthier citizens and even then was not a daily occurrence, but that hygiene was very important and the frequent changing of linen underwear mostly kept the BO away
Ok that “what your favorite era of fashion history says about you” video was good, BUT the picture they used for the 1970s was from the 1960s (George Harrison and Pattie Boyd in 1967 to be exact.) That speaks to something that us fans of 1960s fashion find infuriating, the constant mislabelling of distinctly mid to late 60s fashion movements as 70s!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a whole thing about women using hat pins to stab men who harassed them? Like it was such a big “problem” for men they tried to put some laws to prevent women from wearing oversized hat pins? Talk about a real feminist item of clothing
@Leonard squirrel from what another youtuber has said, (I can't remember her name, but she does period dress and weaponry for women) they actually limited the length of hatpins in several major cities. Much like in the US now, states often have blade length regulations on pocket knives.
@@forkingsandkeys is it Jill Bearup?
@@forkingsandkeys Jill... Bearup... probably
I think SnappyDragon did a really good video about street harassment that explained this.
It's often tied in with the suffragette movement. A lot of people felt that raucous political activism and wearing a shank in your hat was a sketchy combination. There were also laws requiring the tips of the needles to be covered with something, since it was apparently possible to jab people with them accidentally if they stuck out too much and you were in a crowded place.
The matter-of-fact sound in their voices make me question them right off the bat.
SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THOSE FIRST IMPRESSIONS ABOUT THESE KIND OF TIKTOKS.
UGHHHH SMARTASS VIBES.
@Nothing To See Here hey I think some bootlicker hacked your account
Ya it kinda annoys me tbh, especially the first one sounded kinda passive aggressive and it puts me off.
Yeah that first video, with her attitude, I was like,
"...no."
I immediately distrust anyone who tries to blame every change in fashion on
p a t r i a r c h y.
It gives men wayyyy too much credit.
@Nothing To See Here
Interesting, but how about this one? 🤤
The way she reacted at 6:05 totally makes me think she's having a flashback to her cholera days during the tudor period.
Very nice, thank you. Incidentally, another problem with the 2nd tic-toc video you discuss is that it makes no sense to link the cleanliness or uncleanliness of Tudor London (1485-1603) to Cholera which didn't reach Britain until about 1830. And while I know that this is by now a very popular mistake, "Tudors" describes the members of the dynasty, not everybody over whom they ruled. Nobody would call 18th century Austrians, Czechs, Hungarians etc. "Habsburgs", or French people from the same period "Bourbons"; come to think of it, you don't call 17th century Brits "Stuarts" or 13th century English people "Plantagenets", so there is absolutely no reason for doing it with the Tudors' subjects either.
I think a common mistake we make when looking at history is that we assume that everyone who lived before us were all idiots. For example, a lot of people were completely aware that lead based face paste was unhealthy, they just didn’t always care. However, a lot of people opted for healthier options either for safety reasons or financial. Lisa Eldridge is doing a documentary on makeup history and it’s awesome.
Being aware and not caring seems notably more idiotic than not knowing.
@@verybarebones how many people know about the health risks of tanning, but still tan?
@@verybarebones but we still do and consume things that we know are toxic or could be toxic and do/consume them anyway.
@@verybarebones We do that for most things here in our time, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i mean we knowingly vape, so
When people present something 'factual' in such a way it reminds me of people who make kids videos on youtube just. Instantly makes me skeptical ☠️
It's the multiple zooms in for me
same same same
Man, I kept getting self-defense tiktoks and literally every single one was terrible advice, like possibly get you kiIIed advice, with massive errors about self-defense laws, and they were freaking out girls and young women. And TikTok won't take them down. It's fun to hear new ideas but you HAVE to check it against reliable sources, because people can just make things up. Don't believe any tiktok or RUclips vids unless the vid creator has some kind of expertise/authority and/or you can find legit info online. And don't think wasp spray will deter an attacker lol
Men in the 1920s: Boys, take her swimming for your first date so you know if her knees are real or not.
The second one- the Thames was disgusting. They threw a ton of waste in it. One summer the stench was so bad they could barely breathe and tried to mask the smell through any means. So yeah, I wouldn’t drink or bathe in that water.
"it's a love hate relashionship" YES- my whole life has stopped just to watch that stupid content that I will probably come back to right after I finish watching this video :')
i know! i was gonna comment how i felt the exact same, until i realized thats what every single younger human being is going through right now
About lead powder, it indeed was in small enough quantities to not affect health in a significant way, unless you really overdid it (which can always happens no matter the product used) one of the only real after effect was still reported in the mid 20th century in Japan, where geishas and oiran who used the lead based foundation would have discolored skin in their old age since the lead would react to the sulfates in the onsen water, but only if the women didn't wash it all off properly before going bathing.
Do you have a legit source for that? I remember reading that in Memoirs of a Geisha (which I know is Problematic TM but is very much a guilty pleasure of mine) but I've never properly looked into it. The history of make up is fascinating
I'd also be interested in a source!
Because I know for a fact that even small amounts over a long period of time can have serious side effects.
I imagine especially upper class women would probably wear their make up every day for vanity.
So maybe it was more common among the upper class?
Mask song: *Appears out of nowhere *
Me: "Noo, you're supposed to stay in your fandom, don't get into other ones"
Karolina asking wouldn’t people eventually realize lead and stuff was causing health problems and stop.
Me, obsessed with the radium girls: you would think
Radium was actually KNOWN to be dangerous because it was used in nuclear research. The owners of those shops KNEW it was killing the women.
Marie Curie died from radiation poisoning so they knew what it did. Like Thalidomide they covered up the side effects.
People nowadays using cosmetics with micro plastic, parabens etc. tested on animals produced by shady companies like Johnson&Johnson which BTW originates from Inge Farben that was supporting Nazi camps
In "How to be a Tudor" by Ruth Goodman, she talks about how the average person wouldn't bath or give themselves a sponge bath regularly. They would wash their face and hands with water, but the rest of the body would be wiped down with linen cloths, as the TikTok said. Ms. Goodman tried this method herself for several month and stated she did not have significant body odor, so I guess it works! It's a great, well researched book if anyone is interested in reading it, I would highly recommend.
I use a raw silk washcloth and it’s like a razor for dead skin. Just rolls off. If linen works similar yeah I see how that would work. I still prefer soaking tough, less elbow grease needed.
With water or just the cloth?
@@itstaytayyy3309 probably with water, a little damp cloth maybe
I have a translation problem.
The sponge bath sounds like the wiping cloth thing to me. I do not really get the difference, since cloth can also be used as a sponge.
I really want to understand this correctly. :)
@@lylavati Yeah in English we just call it a sponge bath if you wet down anything and wipe your body with it without filling a tub or showering. Could it be because people used to use sponges more often? I don't know.
The thing about the Six musical and the “nine inches” trend is that you couldn’t tightlace Tudor era stays!!!! You would break the whalebone.
They also measured the waists differently when they were quoting smaller numbers. They talked about the front-on view measurement. And since the stays made a circular waist shape as opposed to the more natural oval shape, even if you wore a size in your natural waist measurement the front-on measurement would be smaller because you redistribute the measurement. So you can quite easily get the front on view under 9" (24" corset I have right next to me measures 10" across just at the visible waist front on and that's not got a very circular waist).
Like its not possible for an adult body to get below 9" circumference anyway just due to the the spine and nerves and various other organs take up a certain amount of space even when the fleshy bits which can have the air squeezed out of them at their smallest. The world record was Ethel Granger with a 13" waist in her corsets, but she couldn't go smaller than that, so yeah, really not going to be possible with something made in the shape of the stays/paires of bodies.
Love reading random tidbits like this!
Edwardian is by far my favourite era of fashion...and the sole reason is because of my obsession with Anne of Green Gables as a kid. 🙊
21:50 ironically, I was drawn to history through aesthetics (and like the concept of it being a never ending story lmao) and as a history major I started by taking sociocultural and scientific history classes before finally taking a general history course. That’s what makes me love fashion history and history in general - the interconnections then and now!!