historical TV shows you thought have flawless costuming but actually don't
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The most frustrating thing I find about these shows is that if they just stuck to going 100% in on the historical accuracy the shows would be timeless, their insistence on adding "current" fashion elements is what is going to end up dating the shows in the end.
Generally I agree but there is something to be said for some things that combine eras of fashion, like 2015 Cinderella using 1860s and 1950s styles (but not 2015 styles so much to be fair) to make a really cool fantasy aesthetic, and I don't really know other examples, maybe Ella Enchanted? it's pretty rooted in the time it came out but I find that charming. I am sure there are others that aren't Cinderella retellings....
I wish I'd read your comment first. Precisely. It's such a waste.
@@asterismos5451 Yeah, but that's not necessarily what the original comment meant. They were referring to something like the Camila Cabello Cinderella, with it's anachronisms and 2020 beach waves 👀
@@lucasmcinnis5045 Oh for sure I agree on that. Even very modern makeup is horribly distracting. My point is just that sometimes it can work but generally it's horrid.
Agreed! Anachronistic makeup and hair in particular can really date a production to the years in which it was created, rather than the era in which it's set 🙈
A very funny thing about the Anne series is that the books themselves are historically inaccurate. The first book is supposed to start in 1876, but there's talk of distinctly 1890s fashion like pompadours, wide-brimmed hats, and the famous puffed sleeves. Of course, the date is never mentioned in the first book and is taken from backdating based on the final book, Rilla of Ingleside, which takes place during WWI. It's entirely possible that LM Montgomery originally meant for the first book to take place in the 1890s and only later changed things when she wanted Anne's children to participate in WWI. But it still creates a big problem for adaptors when they have to choose between either messing up the timeline or having very era inappropriate puffed sleeves.
yes, the timeline is a mess!
I never really paid attention to that but you’re right if she had been born in 1880 or 79 which is about the timeline of the first book she would’ve only been like 33-35 at the beginning of World War I. And none of her kids would’ve been old enough because she didn’t get married till she was like 25. I can’t speak about the costumes but the original Canadian version got played on PBS here in the states is still my favorite and everything else just fall short in my book
The puffed sleeves are a MUCH more important plot and character point in most reader's minds.
I tend to ignore the last book for the main reason that L.M. Montgomery didn't actually want to write any more books after the 3rd one but wrote the rest because of the publishing company.
I did an indepth research paper a few years ago because I absolutely love 'Anne of Green Gables' and I wish I still had it. 😭
@@hooraylaw Anne of Windy Poplars even has a reference to the Great San Francisco earthquake...which happened in 1906.
I was born in 1951, so I firsthand witnessed the "50s, "60s, and so on. Not every woman in the 50s wore a bullet bra, but girdles were a definite must. Also, there seems to be an inability among designers to distinguish the early '60s from the late-post British invasion fashions-say, from 1964 forward.
I would definitely be interested in a video on all the common breast shapes of the modern fashion decades! Like Abby Cox’s historical boobs/butts videos, but more in detail perhaps starting with 1920s onward. Foundation garments definitely need to be happening in a better way on screen, stage, etc, for any period piece!
Exactly. I often wonder if there is a distinction between American fashion and English or French for the same time period.
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@@shelbysittig1047 there was, and I may be wrong here, but in my limited experience it’s mostly in the commonality of some neck cuts, patterns, and the choice between polos and turtlenecks. There also seemed to be a short-lived spike in men’s double-breasted jackets. I’m not sure if that was British Invasion fashion or not, but they appeared more afterwards.
(Note: I’m talking American and British fashions here, I’m not sure where the French went. They deviated from the British and thus Americans somewhere around here, but I’m not certain.)
I was born in 54 so was just becoming aware of fashion in the mid 60s because of an older "cool" cousin. She made sure I was totally "Mod" for her company picnic. lol I ran the full range of styles through the 80s. What people think we wore in the 60s & 70s these days is almost as annoying as thinking anything in makeup is totally new. I'm rocking the 70s again these days. It was more about comfort then IMO.
I enjoy Anne with an E not because it's historical, but because it's cottagecore AF. Could transplant the whole series into an alternate universe where the girls have cell phones with cute little mushrooms and dried flowers on the cases, and they carry'em in baskets alongside bread and cheese wrapped in embroidered tea towels, and I'd still be 100% down for it.
I think the 1980's production was even better. Just gorgeous
What I love is how sweet and ‘normal’ it is, for lack of a better word. It does a better job portraying teenagers than any show actually made for teenagers anymore. I love that the characters are awkward and cute and thoughtful rather than 30 year olds who wear bras to school and the only thing they do is have sex. It was so refreshing and a beautiful whimsical portrayal of childhood, even with its “darker” themes
Getting shorter female historical hairstyles right in films has been a problem since the advent of normalized long hair for almost all women in the 1970s. I remember in the mid-seventies when a movie set in the fifties was holding auditions in my town and a lot of the teenage girls they were seeking for many of the parts declined to try out or declined offers of roles because they either were afraid they might have to cut their hair or that the longer hairstyles they'd have to wear, even fifties ponytails, would unflatteringly (they felt) flatten their seventies body waves and wings. They also didn't want to wear period hats for the same reason: it would mess up their long, wavy hair.
Oh no, my hair naturally looks similar to the 70s and 80s waves/perms depending on if it’s about to be wash day or if it just was and ponytails look awesome! Just… I would have to straighten it and use a lot of product if I wanted it to sit more like a 50s style, which a lot of women probably actually did.
American Graffitti is so bad about this. It's supposed to be '62 but all of the extras' hairstyles are a dead giveaway for the 70s.
Well, that's how you know who actually wants to be an actress and who just wants to be on the spotlight! I would never decline a role that requires me to change something that changes back as fast as hair!
All the hair stuff is so weird to me bc in theater I've learned to basically give up my hair in order to act, so why top tier actresses are worried I have no clue
@@coopermadison6297 I've always worn wigs in theater, specially because it's better to hide the head mics!
I would like to see the historical equivalent of Paris Fashion Week 💀 (with the crazy nonsensical outfits and the Victorian Seamstress making a guest judge appearance)
Where do i sign for this to happen?!?
we need ms tatternickel as a judge too
@@sillygoosetaur omg yes please
@@sillygoosetaur YES, PLEASE ! MORE MISS TATTERNICKLE !
this would be fantastic
Ms. Zebrowska, allow me to say I adore your critiques! As an old lady who consciously lived in all the periods from the late 1950s to the present, little irritates me more than movies that proport to play in one or the other of these periods and then miss the aesthetic of these times by a long shot. People of 1964 would not have found our contemporary hair styles or garment silhouettes sexy, but rather just odd. So for me, seeing our present-day hair fashion or garment aesthetic pop up in a film that is supposedly set in times I remember, but completely misses the mark in the costumes, frustrates me no end. I just don't care if the women in the film please our contemporary men. The kowtow to our fashion aesthetic ruins a film for me. The worst examples of that are "historical" B-movies from the early 60s, where Victorian ladies had bouffant hair. No other positive feature of such a movie could ever make up for that.
100% agree with you. They never get the hair right.
That’s what I always check for and I’m always disappointed.
@@LizzieBravado It's actually why I couldn't watch Peaky Blinders, lol.
I know this is months old but I have to comment and agree. In pretty much every historical show, it’s the hair and makeup (where used) that always is the giveaway. I especially have a hard time with more recent shows, such as set in the 80s, which I lived through. The hair on both men and women is never even close to accurate. And makeup was just made of different ingredients then applied differently. Others will rave about the 80s fashions but I’ll be like “it’s not even close.”
@@grannyweatherwax8005it’s because people now find these styles outdated and sometimes ugly, so to keep audience retention they choose to make them look more appealing
I do wonder what you think of the 1920s costumes in Miss Fischer's Murder Mysteries, because it has been praised as very accurate and the costume designer apparently used a lot of original pieces and most of the budget went into the costumes
Someone else knows about Miss Fischer's!! I'm so happy 🥺
They were very good. It's hard on the show because the book original is much shorter than Essie Davis, but because it was set right at the turn of the 20/30s they got to play around with the more shapely fashions of the early 30s.
Yes, Karolina, do Miss Fischer's Murder Mysteries! All the costumes are divine, even the men's!
Please! I adore the costuming in that show!
@@FlorPudding Honestly even if it wasn't accurate, it's so beautiful and creative that I wouldn't mind
I just try to enjoy the style of the costumes at this point, since there's no way everything's perfectly accurate :)
Yes! Plus it is cool to see outfits that I could make from thrift finds that still are modern but have that essence of 19--
One of my favourite moments in the original CBC Anne series is when the girls are dressing for Diana's wedding and Anne is horsing around in her pretty Edwardian undergarments, perfectly comfortable being her riotous self. They just *had* to drag corsets in the remake and it was frustrating.
It's a requirement for every historical show to throw corsets under the bus even it's not factual.
They dragged a lot of things into the remake which were unnecessary.
@@faechan849 OH BOY i could not agree with you more
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I do believe in the original books it was written that Anne did not like to wear a corset
There's a time for enjoying, and there's a time for nitpicking. You can do both, if you want. I think you always give apropriate credit and respect to the creators, they sent their creations out into the world and now it's ours to do with as we please.
Yes, she is very fair ! And let's face it, the folks in the costuming departments have little control about budget, & what the "big bosses" want. They can 'suggest' until the cows come home !
Time for enjoying: while watching the show
Time for nitpicking: running to Karolina's channel for a clothes roast 😂🥰
@@m.maclellan7147 This is true. If only the big bosses would listen to their audience instead!
Yes! I always appreciate takes like this, because it makes me open my eyes a little more, and look for these details. In the end, I just learn more about historical fashion, not mad at that.
@@m.maclellan7147 exactly. And often directors and producers want a level of modern sex appeal like mentioned in the video.
I actually think the point about how you’re looking for something beyond what costumers like those in this community make is a good one because so many of the costumers I watch on here talk themselves about their limits with budgets, resources, and time. Where these projects have so much at their fingertips that the costumers here would KILL FOR to go even farther than they already do.
You’d think that, but actually costume budgets and deadlines are usually incredibly tight. You have to remember that it’s not just the main characters they have to clothe, every side character, one liner and background actor have to also fit within the costume budget. That’s hundreds, sometimes thousands garments that have to be sourced or made and fitted in a span of sometimes three, four months. There are actually two great examples in this video, Anne and Versailles, where time and budgeting was clearly an issue rather than lack of efforts. There’s no way Versailles could’ve done the amount of garments needed with the level of detail required on a budget that show had, and without at least a year of pre-production. Anne had a teeny budget and it’s probably not far from the truth to say the costumes are reminiscent of a school play. I’m willing to bet most of them are stock costumes which are usually not great, and at least in Europe there’s some brilliant stocks around, but I think Canada is pretty lacking in the department.
Not to say there aren’t costume designers who just don’t give a mickey, but I promise you there are some that would KILL for the freedom of a hobby costumer :D
You might be overestimating how much time and money most directors and producers give to the costume departments
You should do a costume analysis of When calls the heart. It's supposedly set in 1900s Canada, but with how the characters are dressing, it might as well be 2013. ALSO, one thing we can give credit to Anne with an E is that it doesn't lean in on that whole "Corset is a torture device" scene that most period dramas had. In fact, it goes against it. In the last season, where Anne puts on her first corset, at first she's complaining about how corsets are restricting, but then Marilla says to her "How would you know? You've never worn one." And then she puts it on and it fits perfectly.
Bernadette Banner has a video where she ranks the accuracy of modern (post 2000 - she explains why) made historical movies and series, When Calls the Heart among them. You really should watch it, she is very sassy about it
I do believe but I could be wrong, that Anne talks about not liking corsets in the original books.
I don’t know enough about renaissance fashion to comment on the accuracy but I would love to see Karolina talk about The Borgias (2011) costumes. They were absolutely exquisite in their intricacy and detail.
The hairstyles are always a let down... but I absolutely loved this video! I'd be very cool if you could analyse the costumes in "Outlander". They're one of the most beautiful 18th century inspired clothing that I've seen in a show + it focuses a bit on the 20th century too :) Love from Estonia
Yes!! That dior bar suit inspired dress in s2 was everything
I’d absolutely love to see a part 2 for this video and have Outlander on it!
I think hair and makeup are always where a period piece will fail first. I think this is because modern hair (long straight or wavy hair for women and ever-changing makeup trends) is so standardized, most people see vintage trends for them as ugly and are subconsciously put off. I think production makes these choices intentionally to appeal to a lot more people. Most people watching these shows don’t actually know anything about historical fashion and aren’t going to care if the actors faces are historically accurate (I’m pretty much guilty myself)
I can’t help but wonder if you ever watched the German series Babylon Berlin? It’s set in the years 1929-1931 I think. I really really love the series, and to my untrained eye the costumes look so good, but I have no idea how accurate they are
I love the lead's really short hair and the really fun hats :)
I think Anne with an E had a pretty tight budget and did their best with it, although of course I get your criticism. But it is absolutely amazing and I highly recommend watching it!
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I’m so glad you acknowledged the fact that Anne with a e costumes are too short. I was thinking that the entire time I was watching
Hard agree. At first I was horrified but thought “ok, in the book her dress was described as ‘skimpy’ and too small, it’ll get better” then she got new dresses and they showed the other girls and. Knees! Everywhere! 😱
Same, especially in the later seasons--Anne was 16 and you could still see her knees!
@@edawhat3737 right! By 16 girls skirts were floor length.
I think they did this to try to portray the kids as younger than they are. In the first season Anne and Diana are about 13, but some of the other girls in their class are a few years younger.
I would love a video just about Mrs. Maisel! I love the show but I am always curious to learn more about tv show costume vs. real life. Love your videos!
Yesss!
Love mrs.Maisel!!!!!!!
Yes!
I love it whenever you expose these inaccuracies, Karolina 🥰
Me: "Ah yes, she makes a good point here."
Also me: has never seen a historical photo outside this channel literally ever
CBC's original Anne of Green Gables would be interesting to see critiqued. Road to Avonlea, Wind at My Back and Emily of New Moon should all be similar.
Best quote of the day "it is definitely a journey, but not one I want to take"
Always love a bit of meme mom being annoyed at period outfits, it never misses
I honestly like the 1920s female short hairstyles. I think they can look quite sexy on many actresses. I'm not sure why productions resist this.
As she notes here, the present-day actresses don't want to cut their hair and wigs can hardly accommodate the volume.
True in part, however, many women in the early '20s did not actually bob their hair, just the front, pinning the back up under their hats (required day wear in public!) as full on bobs were not considered feminine enough!
One thing I love about the costumes in Anne with an E is that they used tatted lace on some of the items, which is exciting as a tatter. It is the right era for it to be used, but since it can only be made by hand and not machine, it was surprising to see
I love videos like this because it's SO much easier (in my opinion) to learn fashion history with "here's what's NOT right about this costume"... also if someone clicks on a video titled "historical TV shows you thought have flawless costuming but actually don't" and doesn't expect some nitpicking and general #roasting then what are they even doing. The nitpicking is part of the fun!
I know hardly anything about historical fashion, but Grace's hair in the early seasons of Peaky Blinders REALLY stuck out like a sore thumb in the supposed 1920's setting
Yes! my husband has just started watching peaky blinders while I'm sitting next to him reading and last night I looked up and saw the blond girl and I was like Ugh isn't this show supposed to be set in 1920 what the f*** is wrong with her hair xD
I feel this whenever I watch something set in the 80's and the hair styles are so inaccurate. It's almost as if the big voluminous style of women's hair back the is a lost art form, like, do they just not know how to do it anymore?!?
Laughing 'cause I know my sisters each had a hole in the ozone layer named for them - a can of Aquanet barely lasted a weekend in the '80s!
I’ve been rewatching Agent Carter recently, I love the outfits so much but I’d love to know your opinion on them on if they’re historically accurate! Even if they aren’t, there are some banger outfits that I think you’d appreciate.
dang, i miss agent carter!
I liked how Mad Men showed scenes that revealed real 60s under garments for Joan, Peggy and Betty. Some of Betty's clothes reminded me of my grandmother's fashion.
What threw me off watching Versailles were the flat, lifeless lacefront wigs on some of the men.
Give us voluminous, floofy curls! Give us some super obvious, mountainous, "full bottom" wigs with those pointy, curly peaks that look like the alert ears of a dog (further into the series). 😅
I mean, if something is set when people wore wigs, it's ok for a wig to look like a wig. 🤷😅
Yay Karolina. I couldn’t agree more. Why do the costume designers not get that the correct foundation garments lay the groundwork for the proper historical silhouette? I remember my glamorous aunt with her circle stitched bras and my grandmother’s girdles that could shape an elephant. Even wearing a slip ( which no lady would be caught dead without) can change the way ‘50’s and early ‘60’s fabrics drape. Rant over. Love you.
YES!!! Foundation garments are called that for a reason!! You can't just skip them!!
I would love to hear what you think about the cotumes in the Hercule Poirot TV show with David Suchet as Poirot. I know it's very long and the costumes are a hit or miss but I really think they actually really tried. Especially Miss Lemon has some really nice fashion moments and they actually put in effort with the 30s hair on Emily Blunt for the 2004 version of Death on the Nile.
I get it, but the extreme level of fastidiousness of the Poirot character (any iteration) down to the mustache twisted into points is a turn off. I watched Vienna Blood and it was good but the lead had a facial tic and, believe it or not, that sort of thing is contagious.
I never watched Mad Men, but I remember reading that the women wore bullet bras. But maybe that wasn't all the time.
Also, I think Mrs. Maisel's hair was shorter in season 2 of the show.
i'm SO glad you talked about grace's hair in season 1 of peaky blinders it riled me up so bad i couldn't stop thinking about it every time she was in shot
Speaking of Versailles, if you look at portraits of Philippe d'Orléans, you realize the show did him really dirty. Dude LURVED his lace, his ostrich feathers and his ribbons.
But like, speaking as someone who knows a fair amount about Louis XIV and his court... you can kind of tell the costume department was on a budget and that they were really doing their best, but compare them to productions like L'Allée du roi, and you see the difference.
After watching Tale of Tales, I came to appreciate just how awesome a well done men's shirt has to offer 17th century clothing. Those shirts were amazing.
Okey, I have to give a very biased little defence of Anne with an E because I love that series so so so so much haha. But like you said, good costuming is completely subjective anyway!
The costumes are not perfectly historically accurate, but come very close I think, and the historical deviations and creative liberties all serve a purpose imo, they add to the story and the characters and had me (a fan and lover but not an expert on historical costuming) fully immersed. Examples:
The over the top ruffles and laces make you emphathize with Anne’s adoration for them; the bit too short schoolgirl dresses add something rural, which is fitting in this farming community, but also add something playful and youthful, in a historical setting that through our modern eyes (and in other modern media) can often be depicted as (inaccurately) way too strict; the very short dress of Anne in episode 1 is accurate for her since she outgrew it due to poverty and negligence. Throughout most of the series Anne wears her hair in two simple braids, very fitting for a child growing up in the no-nonsense, hardworking household of the Cuthberts, and while transitioning into adulthood her hairstyle changes and matures; she only wears her hair loose and in ‘modern’ waves only once or twice I think? The beauty of Marilla's plain and sober fabrics and fittings, the extravagant puffed sleeves on Matthew's dress for Anne, the dreamy embroidery which increases throughout the series and I imagine fits perfectly in Anne's imagination and wildest dreams, the purity and richness of Diana's wardrobe and her mother's shirtwaists which so clearly signify her higher class, the richer fabric of the blue dress Marilla made which show her love and support of Anne’s love for beauty and her transition into womanhood -- this all adds to the immersion. All of which imo goes to show that I think the costuming in Anne with an E comes very close to your description of good costuming! It brings something new and fresh to the table without being generic in many ways, it reflects the world and characters well, while also playing with the historical era the show is set in, the costumes really dig in the historical nuances while using creative liberties, it mostly doesn't try to appeal to modern eyes, and the costumes fit well (relative to the circumstances).
I'm a huge Anne of Green Gables fan, it's a family thing and I HIGHLY relate to Anne. Although I much preferred the character studies from Anne With an E (depiction of trauma, divergent thinking, queerness and relationships), I am also very aware that so many things were approach in a very contemporary way and I was annoyed by costuming at times too. Anne With an E is a show that makes me feel seen as a person, but I'd rather look at this whole universe with a wider pov, cause it's not the original work from Lucy Maud Montgomery, it's just a piece of it that also has its flaws!
TL;DR: No hard feelings, you're very right about the costuming and fans of works of media should be able to reflect critically in their fave without getting offended 🙃
Something that has always amused me is seeing dramas set in the mid to late 19th century where everyone has late 20th century shampooed and blow dried hair. Not a hint of anything like Macassar oil around the place.
I really enjoy these take downs of fashion faux pas in films and television series. There is a book I heard of that I'm looking for about how Hollywood deals with and ruins hairstyles in films. (Do you know this book Karolina?) But it's true hair is one of the hardest things to do right, because each age has its own hairstyle prejudices. When movies were made of the late 1950s and early 1960s men and boys in America often had crew cuts. Instead many nostalgic films from the 80s went with a stylized greasy look. What actor then wanted to get a crew cut for a film? You see more now, but even then they usually aren't crew cuts they are just shaved heads, because that's our thing.
In America the long haired look for young women, which in different ways has persisted ever since, came from the Folk Revival movement in music. Joan Baez had very long flowing hair, and she inspired teens and college students to grow their hair long. But only a certain kind of girl. (Curly haired girls had to iron their hair to get it straight.) As late as 1969 in my high school in the San Francisco Bay Area (I.E. Hippie Central) our high school yearbooks (Do they even do this in Europe?) still show many girls with the shorter dos. It would only be in the 1970s that most girls went with longer hair, but even then it was often cut like in layers.
My area of specialty is music. So I am keenly aware of period pieces and music. And I get peeved like you do when the wrong music is used. Or worse the same music is used over and over. I also write so recreating a period is crucial for me, which is part of the reason I watch your channel. But most of it is just for your wit. (Or maybe it's the Polish connection?)
I love it when you nitpick please keep doing that, even if you pick apart my fave (which is Anne with an e)
I'm starting to think that for a period drama to be really immeresed in the period, it would have to be literally drawn.
Which gave me a thought that maybe you could review animated shows, like _Emma: A Victorian Romance_ (no relation to Jane Austen's novel), or better yet the original manga by Kaoru Mori it's based on.
I was honestly surprised by the anime series and manga's costumes. At first, I was expecting for the costumes to be the fantasy Victorian-era inspired clothing and then I watched the series and boy oh boy they were good. I honestly love that they didn't shy away from the big sleeves of the 1890s and I live for Emma's wedding dress.
Going on a bit of a tangent: I wish a historical fashion costuber would review the clothing in anime/manga, but some of the more historically accurate series aren't legally available and I'm not sure how many of them would be okay with discussing content that would have to be pirated lol.
From most to least accurate, at least for the 19th century because that's where my brain is usually at:
- Mori Kaoru, the mangaka of Emma, basically has a fetish for Victorian/Edwardian maids. She has another series titled Shirley that's about an Edwardian maid, and then a couple of other oneshots about maids as well IIRC. Her works are very well-researched and her artwork is highly detailed, including her current serialization about West Asian brides during the mid-19th century, titled Otoyomegatari/Bride Stories.
- Moto Naoko is another mangaka who as far as I can tell, puts in her research. She's a huge Anglophile who draws stories set in the Victorian/Edwardian periods and draws them *a lot*. One detail I admired in Corset ni Tsubasa was when a maid woke up early, cracked the ice in her wash basin to wash her own face, then continued into her morning pouring hot water for the students' wash basins.
- Ikoku Meiro no Croisée/Croisée in a Foreign Labyrinth, set in Belle Époque Paris. Unsure about the historical accuracy aside from some clothing being...off, but it quite easily draws you into the period setting.
- There's Kuroshitsuji/Black Butler, which starts off as an anachronistic fantasy Victorian England AU but becomes better researched as time goes on. There's one low key maid chapter late into the story that made me so happy lol. Not to say there aren't still fun, ridiculous, intentional anachronisms, but most are justified within the context of the story and there is a lot of research put into the setting surrounding it.
Also Kuro Hakushaku wa Hoshi wo Mederu which I have still yet to read, but at the very least quite clearly sets itself in the late 1880s from the clothing alone. Though aside from the first two authors listed, western live action productions will generally fare better than anime and manga in terms of accuracy. I would argue that it can be difficult for animated characters to be as accurate as live action ones, due to the inherent limitations of the medium (line detail if 2D, model variance if 3D). And due to the nature of Japanese character merchandising, hair at the very least will almost never be fully accurate (even Mori Kaoru is susceptible to this, given Eleanor and Vivian's blunt cut bangs).
TL;DR Read Emma for the historical accuracy but know that Mori Kaoru is insane and her level of detail is an exception.
I love Emma. It pains me to say that I read it nearly a decade ago in high school. Her drawing skills and attention to detail are amazing. I loved her series Bride Stories even more than Emma which is saying a lot.
My friend makes the costumes for Maisel! :) I was glad to hear you don’t have major beef with her work!
I remember watching a film with my sister and she got annoyed with me because I kept interrupting whenever I saw a historical inaccuracy.
Yaaaaaaaas thank you for this The female styles in Peaky have always driven me bonkers. Shame because the costume designer did such a good job of creating a deliberately stylized world for the men's clothing but never seemed to decide on the females.
There was so much thought, research and effort put in the men's hairstyles!
... And so little into the women's :(
I remember reading a book about a schoolgirl in 1902, Riga, Latvia (back then - Russian Empire). The description of the first day in school after the summer vacation started with the headmistress reprimanding girls for their dress-code violations (including hairstyles and jewellery). The main character had a hem that was too short, because it couldn't be let out any further, and her family couldn't afford a new school uniform for all of the 5 kids. The headmistress was referencing a picture she had in her office, explaining how long the dress was supposed to be.
I love how your personality was 100% intact even on the sponsored part
Seeing you uploaded a new video is the nicest serotonin boost I could ask for today :)
Kudos to your hairstyle! You nailed my mom’s 1940s hair to the absolute T. You look just like my favorite photo of her!
I would love to see what you think about all the costumes in Our Flag Means Death, I know that most of it is mixed with modern clothing styles but some of the outfits are really cool and I'd live to hear your opinion about it
On the subject of Mrs Maisel, I have a vintage dress from about the late ‘50s/early ‘60s and the waist line is actually dropped. I’ve also seen several contemporary patterns that are very low-waisted.
"once you put clothes on top of it, it's less scary than you think" same
I’d be interested to see what you think of BBC’s Ghosts, it’s technically set in the modern day but most of the main characters are from different time periods, and there’s a few scenes from these time periods as well
I've recently started diving into first half of 20th century fashion and honestly I love this video. I lowkey want to see Karolina's opinion on period styles of big franchises, like, the period shows/episodes of Marvel (so think, Agent Carter, Wandavision, Agents of SHIELD S7), or even Fantastic Beasts
Agent Carter inspired me to dress vintage daily. I adore that character and show ❤
@@ellaisplotting actually same! I recently rewatched the show and am getting into historical dress because of it :)
Oooh yeah the AoS one especially. They had to jump through so many time periods and I always wonder how they did
Mina Le actually made a great video about Wandavision! ruclips.net/video/0Ie_0CQAQ6A/видео.html
i started rewatching the marvelous mrs maisel and noticed that there are a handful of scenes where miriam IS wearing a bullet bra. theres a flashback scene when her and joel meet in college. then in the catskills theres an outfit she wears while talking to susie in the employee area, its a short sleeve green sweater with little green shorts, she's wearing a bullet bra with that outfit as well. its weird because they style them sometimes, even in "the present" in the show. you're absolutely right about them working if they're styled right. i only noticed them because you said there weren't many so i had an eye out for them. even though the costumes aren't the best, they're so cute, i love watching the show before the weather gets warm for fashion inspiration. the catskills episodes have such good outfits
Right when the words “ad break” came up I got an ad
Karolina may be looking like candy today but she's always a snack
The Peaky Blinders critique is spot on! I’ve only just started watching it and was confused about the time setting of the show. I was surprised to hear that it started in 1919, as I thought it was set in the late 20s or early 30s based on costuming alone.
As someone who is obsessed with Anne with an E and Historical fashion, I will agree that not all the clothes are that good. The blue dress in the last episode is very beautiful, but not accurate (and what was that fabric lol). But, others are better. They were good at showing how middle class Victorian people would only have a few outfits. (Ugh, but don’t get me started on Miss Stacey not wearing a corset!) I feel like this is a show that you watch for the storyline, and just look at the pretty costumes, even if they aren’t to accurate.
I love your instrutive pointers on the small differences that make a costume fail to fully capture an easier time period.
In all honesty I would love to see your opinion on the costuming and hair for downton abbey! I don't know much about costuming so I wouldn't be able to tell you if it's accurate or not but I would love to see what they got right/wrong
i would LOVE to see you do this for call the midwife! i think they do pretty well with the hair typically, and i love that they have some fashion-forward girls who rep the wave of late 60's and some who are still in the past, and some silhouettes look right, but i do remember most just miss
it really is so sad that tv is scared of using the bullet bra in costumes... the bullet bra silhouette is flattering and fun!!
really love that you're doing sponsors now. i love to see my faves getting more money.
no one does acrylic earrings like you queen
*Whenever I see a ahow set in the past I will think of Karolina's videos where she analyses them.*
These shows are continuing the evergreen trend of interpreting historical costumes through the lens of their modern day fashion, which makes it a unique time capsule unto itself. Like the Robin Hood movies from the 1940s with Maid Marian wearing gold lame, bullet bras on women in the sword and sandal movies from the 1960s, Leslie Caron's pixie bob as Cinderella in The Glass Slipper, etc. You have to decide for yourself when cringe transitions into nostalgia.
Hiii gurl this color on you im in love the eyeshadow too
Oh gosh once you point it out I can't stop looking at the costumes in shows now. 🤣
you look fabulous here, your hair is fabulous! such thick and shiny coiled curls - damn!
They definitely had an opportunity to play more with Phillipe but I imagine they were worried the modern eye wouldn't appreciate Alex Vlahos as much if they played with his looks even more. That's the main problem with period pieces they get too worried about us still adoring the actors to go far enough with costuming.
As a male who still owns and wears clothes I bought in the 90s, I would think it may be more accurate for them to err on trends from the decade before the show is set.
Your look is FABULOUS here!!!!!! I love it so much
To be entirely fair, Anne with an E was made with a CBC budget aka literally zero budget for costuming. Murdoch Mysteries suffers from this too.
That beautiful pink lipstic is made for you
i love this type of video, i really enjoy hearing people nitpick about something theyre passionate about especially since you still also appreciate the good parts of things and the practical obstacles they might have:)
proud of you for getting your bag girl
My mother is a costumer for local theater and knows her stuff - she nitpicks literally everything we watch, in the “but they got so close” way. I am ALWAYS here for that.
Costumes were one of the many things wrong with Anne with an E. As someone from PEI who loves Anne (& LMM) but also has a history degree (focused on Atlantic Canada) and an interest in fashion, this series saddens me.
Do you mind informing me/us? I don’t want to be a bother, but I would be very interesting in hearing from an expert like yourself about what went wrong with the historical portrayal.
And, of course, if someone has already written about this on the internet, could you link or refer to them?
I thought the setting of Atlantic Canada was interesting and I would have loved to learn more about it during the show, but, of course, it is not a documentary.
Thank you in advance.
I grew up on the Sullivan entertainment mini series of Anne and there’s a part of me that’s sour about how Anne with an E has overtaken them in pop culture popularity. The 80s mini series was so well done - not only in faithfulness to the characters, but in setting and costume, and in the true spirit of the books.
Anne with an E is fine if I try to separate from the books, but it absolutely didn’t do them justice at all. That’s def not a popular online opinion though so I don’t talk about it much because I don’t like getting yelled at by 14 year olds on twitter.
@@annahill99 agree the original one I grew up with just felt truer to the books but I enjoyed Anne with an E. Still think the 8Os version was better in most respects.
@Anna Hill- I'm with you💯
I never seen a casual game advertised with those points. I am sure artists appreciate that someone paid attention to their work. As well as writers
Honestly the late 1600s has my favorite bodice shape (and hair shapes, and sleeve shapes, just a lot of good shapes) I do kinda want to make one but I fear that endeavor lol
The peaky blinders are set all throughout 1918 to 1936 and as such can have the influences of the 30s in the late seasons.
keep up the passion
can i just say ive been watching a superhigh concentration of your videos mixed with coleydoesthings' videos that last night my dream was about a fandom superstore. owned, ran and staffed solely by you. and that wasnt even the weirdest part.
u have a very interesting channel... LOVE FROM ITALY🇮🇹🤝🇵🇱
yep i agree
versailles mentioned in a costume video!!! thank u karolina 😭💕 omg the menswear is one of my favourite things in that series, knowing it could have been even floofier and sillier..... i'm mourning what could have been
I love your shoutout to the 1920s' plus-fours. Like damn. Downton Abbey’s lower classes failed us.
Have you ever looked at the costumes worn on The Carol Burnett Show? Bob Mackie designed some of the most beautiful looks I’ve ever seen. So makes me wish there was a modern equivalent.
I have been waiting for you to talk about Versailles!
By big bugbear with costume dramas is when set in the 30s to 59s, the men's trilby hats all have flat brims now. I've never seen a trilby or fedora with a flat brim in real life. The brims are turned up when they are made, so the costume departments must intentionally steam and press them. It makes them look like they've been cut out of Amazon boxes.
Totally agree with your evaluations, Karolina. Hope you critique The Gilded Age sometime.
Okay I love this!! As someone who was obsessed with Mad Men and the styles I want to know exactly how they could be more accurate! Your historical knowledge and attention to detail I'd what we're here for. Would love more of this!
This is my dream video, thank you. I yelled out loud when you mentioned the hair in peaky blinders cause I’ve been complaining about it since the show came out, but to people who have no clue what I’m talking about or why I’m talking about it. Lol. Bless u