Best Browser Privacy? Edge vs Chrome vs Firefox vs Brave in Wireshark
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2023
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Also, love to see you cover LibreWolf, Mulvad Browser, Gnome Web and Min.
Yes would also love to see this!
Libre
had no clue mullvad had a browser until now
also waterfoxx
@@user-ph2cl7fi8l Waterfox went independent again recently, so not anymore.
Total privacy on the internet is an illusion.
True!
But partial one is not an illusion ;-)
Why would you need total privacy?
@@vaisakhkm783 Why wouldn't you need total privacy?
@@welovfree achieving total privacy means cutting off all your connection and vanish from surface of the earth...
for example: one friend came over to see me and i am soo private that i am looking through keyhole to interact with him/her so they can't see my face... is terrifying and i doubt anyone want that kind of privacy
@@vaisakhkm783 Yeah! and that's exactly why I said "on the internet".
Testing on Windows 11 is indeed the best way to see "privacy violation" but to be fair, a test on Linux would be a good idea, to see what part of the queries are from the browser and what from the system itself, because since Windows 10, Ms OSes are more and more personal data greedy.
And a comparison also on MacOS to check Apple's ethic.
That assumes that apple will allow WireShark to run on macOS. I would not put it past them to have it blocked.
@@jacobcarlson4010 I agree it's Linux based but apples os shuts you out from everything
beside MS also ruined Win7 and 8.1 later on with an update that also added telemetry BS backported from Win10.
@kr0tchetII win7 was the last windows i didn't hate. win8 sucked. I got used to 10 then 11 cam out which is an abomination
@@iDeparture yea 8 sucked but 8.1 atleast tries to improve it, despite keeping that good but unfitting start screen, 8.1 was fast and well optimized, beats win7, 10 and 11 when its comes to speed due to optimization for tablet that benefits PC and laptop aswell.
I can already see a lot of people recommending a lot of browsers. I think now it is a great time to make a tier list to which browsers are best in terms of privacy.
it would be best to make a video on which browser uses less ram space. that would be nice
Forks of firefox
@@Way2go926 OperaGX lets you customize the max ram/cpu it can use. Also avoid using many extensions
@@Way2go926 There are people still complaining about ram in 2023? I thought 16GB was considered the minimum for modern day computing and 32GB is the new standard, while 64GB is considered "ideal".
You can buy 16GB of ram for the same price a single meal at family restaurant. Even cheap entry level cellphones are coming out with 8GB of ram, so there is no reason for your big desktop computer to be running the same amount of ram as a cheap plastic cellphone.
Harden Firefox or LibreWolf are about the best you will get for privacy.
Thanks to independent testing lab like this we get the actual raw information (a look into the reality) of our digital security. Keep up the good work #TPSC
Would love to see more of the "privacy browsers" covered as well as browsers you already showed in their usable hardened states (Arkenfox for example).
To bad you didn't include Vivaldi. I would be interested to see how this one does as well.
Nice vid! I'd highly suggest a Part 2 of this vid featuring Opera and other even more niche browsers that I have never heard of
Yup
you can still have less telemetry in firefox by going to the settings and disable any information being sent to firefox, there are also some settings you can change in about:config to lessen telemetry etc.
that's not the point he's doing it with default settings like most users would run
@@corens1033 what about him disabling shortcuts? that isnt default settings
@@corens1033 if hes gonna do that to lessen telemetry he might aswell do more. this is just for people who want to make firefox more private
This was a better example than any of the other links I clicked today, thank you
It would be interesting to see a before and after of these browsers with the 'Privacy' features turned on. Along with taking off the news for you etc.
amazing video as always, hey Man with the craze on LLM models recently have you consider evaluating if this open source models are having any web unauthorized traffic while executing training, the recent move from meta and microsoft joining for an open source for commercial use has my guts revolving around data collection. I think it would make material for an amazing video and perspective on something I have not found on youtube so far.
It will be great if Vivaldi, Mullvad and Opera will be included in the upcoming test.
On Mac I use Orion Browser by Kagi, which is a WebKit browser with zero telemetry with a built in aggressive tracking blocker. It also supports both chrome and Firefox addons
They also offer a privacy focused search engine with AI integration. The browser is free but search is pretty expensive
>On mac
@@youpeoplearenuts2 ok, now what?
@@toineenzo can't expect real privacy using a device that runs on Apple software, no matter the browser.
@@Fl0yd What are you talking about? Have you looked at windows? That's muchhhh worse.
@@toineenzo just base Arch Linux for me, thanks! The M$ crap only through VM's when there's no other practical option. Once you're used to plain Linux, no matter if it's Debian or Arch, it's a one way ticket!
Firefox is bad out of the box but you can harden it in the about:config to the point of being a good privacy browser, unfortunately you can't disable everything spooky without breaking websites.
Edit: Also yes I disable all the recommended news, and stories and all that stuff immediately on any new browser. I hate them.
Unfortunately, disabling too much telemetry with any browser will break websites. It's the website's fault not the browser's. I've broken some websites with Brave by setting the privacy to very strict.
the point is that mozilla is full of shit
@@hotrodjones74 The telemetry disabling is not at fault, it's something else in about:config! Yeah, it's tough fiddling around disabling stuff you don't want, but it's the only solution these days!
@@hotrodjones74 Telemetry isn't the reason for that. Very strict privacy means breaking cross-site cookies, certain components or javascript on sites, etc. as well
Once you've spent a week interpreting all the about:config settings to create your own "privacy browser" you're left with a Brave browser you're pissed off at for making you go through that, while still questioning if it's right. Then they just change the name of things and create new settings for it a week later without definition. So you ask r/Firefox whats going on and you figure out nobody really knows what they mean when they're defending their "hardened Firefox".
I have to disagree with using a VPN with Tor browser. The whole point of using Tor is that one centralized server doesn't have your personal information. The VPN becomes the weak-point in the architecture and can give you away if a nation state wishes to force them too. If you want added security just make sure you configure your TOR connection to use Bridges which further hides your entry node from being traced back to you.
VPN after Tor can be useful for connecting through Tor to a VPN server to access services which block Tor exit nodes
It's to mask the first hop from your home to the tor "servers" right?
@@First_Grafter Tor bridges are better suited for this
@@enderagent I'll be honest and say I don't even know what those are 😅
I heard that VPNs were used for the first hop but I totally believe and understand that could be incorrect, or have changed since I heard it
@@First_Grafter Using a VPN for the first hop is not really recommended, because the VPN company is directly connected between you and Tor. They will not be able to see what you are doing, because the Tor protocol will encrypt the traffic. Using a VPN does not really add any extra security or privacy and is mostly pointless
I love these comparison videos... Also which browser uses resources efficiently like Ram usage, CPU usage, Background activities it would help a lot.
Chrome < Edge < Firefox
Edge is the best, in terms of speed and ram usage at least, Firefox is the worst
from my experience if you only have one empty tab then Chrome pretty much always wins, one website then it's similar between Chrome and Brave, anymore than 1 then Brave begins stomping
I did a test opening 50 tabs of 7 days to die wiki about "Departed woman" zombie, all the browsers had the same 'performance' settings
Ram wise: Edge used 4GB and went down to 3.6GB; Chrome used 4GB and went down to 3GB; Brave used 950MB and went down to about 880MB. The browsers inactivating the tabs didn't help much which is surprising considering I've used Chrome extensions that hugely help....
CPU wise (R5 3600): Edge used 70-95%; Chrome was the same as Edge; Brave used 3-10% and didn't lag when opening, closing and swapping between tabs unlike Edge which began lagging at 7 and Chrome at 8 (spam opening with mousewheel click)
Brave is noticeably a little slower but hugely better in performance, my main issue is sometimes YT videos begin loading before the website is fully down and will restart the first 0.5s of the video, not that bad but you can notice it when listening to music, usually fixes itself when you close and open Brave
Edge keeps background activities on once you open it which can only be turned off via task manager or restarting your pc
@@HaddBradd Woah 😯 thanks buddy..
@@igorthelight Have you tried LibreWolf, Vivaldi, OperaGx, Waterfox, Mulvad, Gnome Web , Min,... any of these?
I use pfSense and the package/plugin pfBlockerNG with DNSBL. Literally TONS of lists of things to block. Pretty easy to configure, and the lists are updated automatically with the frequency you prefer. pfSense has a free version.
Then it doesn't really matter what browser you use.
Edge, Chrome, and Firefox all have a 'privacy' mode. I'd be curious to see those compared as well.
all that does is not save cookies, login data, and browsing history for the next session it still acts the same. "Firefox clears your search and browsing history when you close all private windows. This doesn’t make you anonymous." taken literally from firefoxes "private" mode
Great info in video. Thanks 😊
Thank you for your suggestions and knowledge to common people like us...At times like of today's such insights is very helpful for us...Thank You🙏 Keep it up
Thanks for the video. Were you recommending Tor, then VPN, or VPN, then TOR? It looked like you were recommending VPN over TOR, but that is difficult to configure, and, from what I hear, may compromise privacy
I would be interested to see the difference between vanilla firefox and a stronger privacy focused fork of firefox like librefox
Interesting vid. But I would like to see how each browser behaves with "max privacy settings" (which Mozilla seems to make things a little easier to tune)...
Have you ever tried "tuning" firefox? keyword you used here: "seems"
The brave ad stuff wasn't talked about as well as it should. Brave rewards is a program you OPT INTO where they show you ads which give you points you can spend. It is not on by default so I don't know why it was brought up the way it was.
EXACTLY!!! Thank you. I was also gonna mention that MOST of his "digs" against Brave are speculative (future) possibilities on "what they are probably going to do" and "I can see, they might, in the future...". Statements that have no place in an "unbiased" comparison of existing, currently available browsers.
@@PeteAndrews I mean, that is unbiased, the fact that they have ads means that they could head down that road, he was never saying they would.
Online privacy is essential, and everyone is trying to profit from your personal information and habits. I've been doing a lot to circumvent those intrusive billionaires, but it's a neverending battle, and videos like this are always helpful in that fight. I already have a couple trick such as shifting to a Linux OS on the daily, to using a PiHole on my network, all in the name of privacy. Thanks for another great video!
An in depth, video, maybe for each browser, where you harden it, and then see whats the results would be awesome
Good video, I actually care for privacy so I use Firefox hardened with a ton of extensions and Malware-blocking DNS. I also enjoy tampering with privacy focused browsers such as LibreWolf, Chromium-unggogled and so on.
What OS are you running may i ask?
@preternatural9417
uBlock Origin
Port Authority
CanvasBlocker
Font Fingerprint Defender
Privacy Settings
ClearURLs
LocalCDN
Cookie AutoDelete
I still don't care about cookies
Term of Service; Didn't Read
Temporary Containers
Firefox Multi-Account Containers
Google Container
Malwarebytes Browser Guard
Enhancer for Toutube
Return RUclips Dislike
And a couple more, non related to youtube or privacy. Someone might say that user can be fingerprinted based on the extensions they use, I hopes this is not the case.
I'm also using RUclips Premium so no ads are being blocked so to say.
@@obama3024 Windows... I know 😅
Your pc must be using alot of ram
Great work!
I agree with the most things you said, but Brave has a build-in DNS over HTTPS support for both Google and Cloudflare DNS servers and I think you could have had explained that this option exists and everyone who cares have the possibility to make the DNS requests untrackable by ISP or their government (if not filtered).
There are also other problems that (excluding TOR) none of the browser can resolve, for example here is the SNI which is not encrypted curing the handshake process and often used to track subdomains/domains that a user visits even if the web traffic is encrypted using HTTPS and using DoH.
Firefox also has DNS over https support for google and cloudflare. But nice to know that Brave also has that
Thumbs up for making that kind of research .. very useful to know what happens behind the scenes .. however, what about Librewolf, Waterfox and Thorium .. especially the last one .. how good are these browsers when it comes to tracking and privacy?
Thank you so much, I wonder about the AVG browser.😎
Thanks for the video!
besides that Brave is based off Chromium, I will say after many months of using it, as well as Chrome, Microsoft edge, Opera GX, and Firefox, I think Brave is still one of my favorite and most private, not 100% private (there’s no such thing as completely private browser), but it’s private enough for me to feel safe.
Recent brave versions do not load the ubo lite blocker at startup, requiring disabling then reenabling the extension.
Ubo lite is required because brave's blocker still fails to block promoted posts in LinkedIn.
Great Vid thnx Leo
we need this with a hardened version of the browsers, as well as librewolf and mullvad
Thanks so much!
Great work 👏
I will start using Tor 😅
Perhaps, to see request data, you could use a proxy like BurpSuite with its CA added to either the system, or the browser (if that works, _does_ show browser requests with Firefox)
Hello! I need your personal opinion since I am in love with the channel and your videos, as a cybersecurity student, I currently use a MacBook Air, although I use Linux in a virtual machine, note that most in this area uses Windows? Do you recommend me to upgrade from the base MacBook Air M1 to an HP EliteBook with Windows? that will favor me? I appreciate your time in replying, greetings
Switching from chrome to brave on desktop didn't made much of a difference. On mobile tho, it's a complete different experience. The built in ad blocker is a gift from God
I live on RUclips. The ad blocking on there is PERFECT. Both on mobile AND on Windows 10 & 11 on my PC. As well as Linux. YUGE difference from Chrome, Edge, Firefox, etc., etc.
10:30 for me most convenient browser is waterfox
librewolf has best defaults for public computers (like school) because it clears data on exit
In my opinion, one of the best browsers just might be Librewolf. It's based on firefox but it is quite ahead. It also comes up with the option enabled, to delete cookies on exit. Also I guess Waterfox might be a good option, although I am not super familiar with that browser.
Not that hard to do it yourself
Yeah, if you like fiddling around with about:config to make it usable! Take it like that the first run of Firefox it's all Mozilla Corp, then after hardening it with extensions and removing all the spyware it's like good ol' Firefox! I'm not giving up on Firefox, it's still a lot of work to take out the defaults of Mozilla, but it's a great browser after that!
I've found that almost all browsers are the same in terms of "privacy", given that its up to the user to properly configure it to be as private as possible within the browser. I use Brave, and I totally dislike most of the personalized ads or the offer to win bravepoints or whatever for letting ads in, but at least it is a highly customizable browser.
I know it has nothing to do with the video but have you noticed how much ram the browsers are using? Like, it's insane, you open like 2 or 3 tabs and it's like 1GB is gone.
By the way, The PC Security Channel, keep the good work.
Interesting, I'm going to stick with my Hardened Firefox with my VPN. What you showed with Wireshark and Tor was very interesting but I dont think I would use Tor anyways.
Thanks a lot vai.
Whataboutthe built in tor browser in Brave, Does that work the same as the regular tor browser, or does it still fall prey to the regular brave tracking?
Which Wireshark are you to download for windows 10? interesting and informative and a very respectful video. Thank you.
Guys, be realistic. Acknowledge the world we living in and realize that true 100% privacy won't ever be a thing in a tool such as the internet. Best we can do is try our best to go as low-key as we can, but truly there'll always be a way for a third party or someone else to have our information at this point.
I use Firefox because it's customizable, I have given up on privacy. But I do ignore/block all ads and news
Could you include Opera too? Kind regards, great video!
By far the best browser privacy summary I've seen for the average user. I logged into RUclips specifically to like this video. Thank you! Seeing those connections was so interesting (and revealing)!
I've been frustrated with the convergence of apps and software toward what the majority of users like. I understand the providers are profit-driven but for users, a decrease in options won't be a good thing. I also think as apps become more similar the main factor for users will become price. Then developers will have to find increasingly cheaper ways to make their app work, and aspects like quality and privacy will suffer.
Which browser would you use for online banking? Privacy and security is a different thing. I use bitdefender safepay. What do you use?
Wouldn't have been better to start with a clean Wireshark screen? Mixing up the beginning/end made it difficult to follow. Or have a time stamp on the output if possible. Been a Brave user for a while now.
There is also a new contenter for privacy the Mullvad Browser made by Mullvad VPN in collab with the Tor Project.
I wonder what you think about the Opera browser, which comes with a VPN feature.
I use firefox and i love the fact that I customize it, even the under the hood stuff which chrome wont let you do
Great content! What about Opera Gx? Can you analyze it?
You'd be surprised what Opera collects for data... I use Firefox for normal stuff with NoScript, uBlock Origin, Cookie autodelete and Bitwarden password manager. What about the private window with Tor connection? Wasn't that once a feature of some browsers?
is there with brave i guess
What do you think about Norton Secure Browser? I think it's in limited release.
can someone tell me why i can not open one specific website in any browser besides Aloha ? Thanks . Is there a setting i gotta turn off or what?
i'm curious if WaterFox would be better than FireFox. I have it on my computer, but never installed it
Tor > Librewolf > Waterfox > Firefox.
I mean, if privacy is what you're after. Tough the more on the left you go the more It could break some websites depending on how you configure it, just sayin'.
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One of the best channels in protection
Can you please do the same thing for Librewolf and mullvad browser?
I use a DNS filter that gets a lot of work out of the browsers. It's not perfect but I do get to select what requests are allowed through.
Thanks for the comparison
Well Tor web browser may have privacy but you tube loads slower than firefox with ad block enabled - is there a way to get the convenience of speed to load faster and have privacy at the same time?
hi, can you please analyze that the ad blockers like adblock, ublock origin are safe to use or not? thanks in advanced
This video comes perfect. I am looking for a new browser.
I set up my browsers with certain addons. I still don't trust them by any means, but it's familiar and does add a small level of protection from tracking. As for the stories... depends on how good the guesses are on what I will be interested in. Sometimes it's stuff I actively care about, MOST of the time it's just noise though.
I was sad you did not include Vivaldi. I've used this for quite a while and it certainly seems to be privacy based.
HI thanks, what do you think of Thorium?
Any way of finding out how to turn off a lot of this type of intrustion in Firefox. I have Ad Block and Privacy Badger running on Firefox - is this enough to keep the spies to a minimum?
Who uses a base-standard install browser? You can always add other protection extensions to the browsers.... For example, in my Firefox install - I've added an ad blocker, plus ClearURLs, Decentraleyes, Don't track me Google, DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials, Google search link fix, Location Guard, Privacy Badger (from EFF), Privacy Settings (Firefox privacy settings in an easy to find/set add on), and my VPN's add-on extension (for quick temporary country changes). And that's in addition to my regular VPN security and Privacy Guardian software that helps maintain my privacy. You mentioned both the TOR browser and the Brave browser - what about the TOR in Brave? Oh - many of the extensions that I have in Firefox I also have in my Brave set up (except for ad blocker as Brave doesn't like you to add a separate blocker).
How about you set firefox to open blank page on startup :) Sorry, can't watch this over that 3:23 point...
I set up my own start page for when I open a page. I also have my tabs restored from my previous tabs so I never see their article suggestion pages.
You should test Firefox hardened with betterfox or something like that
projects like that just make your browser more fingerprintable, unstable and make your browsing experience worse
Agree, Stories are to be blocked, as well as honed ADs :) Any plans on Part 2 for other not so popular browsers?
Can you check what Opera/Opera GX do?
Can you help answer : in android when i download 30mb apk and in my fill manger data increase to 34 mb is it mitm attack?
I use Firefox. My start page is "about:blank" so it doesn't load all the sponsored links. Of course, when your homepage contains information from the internet, it will make a connection to get that information. Also, Pocket is part of Mozilla, so it's not 3rd-party. I have no idea what it does so I disabled it altogether.
Can we do a part two of video where we see what happens when you open these with a systemwide ad-blocker, such as NextDNS?
Now do one about which one uses the least memory.
can you make a video about safing portmaster and/or comodo compared?
how does Lynx browser stack up?
As a long time Firefox user, this was disappointing to see.
Not sure how possible to test safari like this, but that would be quite interesting
Excellent 👍👍
I'm more interested in the kinds of personal snooping these browsers - and all programs you install on your computer - do. If I was a developer and my software snooped on what you were doing, how easy would it be for me to encrypted that data (passwords, messages etc) before sending it down the internet to some store/dubious entity? I assume packet sniffers/wireshark etc won't be able to decode what data is leaving the computer...if it's been encrypted first (a simple EOR #key instruction would do that, maybe throw in some multi-word bit shifting and rotating) ??
--> This would make for a pretty revealing video.
You have to test more browsers.
You didn't even include Opera and Vivaldi, which are both very famous
Test some FF-based ones such as Waterfox and LibreWolf
As well as some less known names like Min and Maxthon
Avast also has a "Secure Browser" that worth testing, since Avast is a known name in the world of security.
For opera, it is based off of brave, however Brave came from a split when around 50% of Opera ownership was bought out by a chinese company. So brave is basically Opera, but focused on privacy since some of the old head devs from opera before the split, now work on brave.
can you do a video about whether you should max your anti-virus settings or leave them at default
how do you set it up to just do brwser thanks
If you open all that browser in windows sandbox what shows in wireshark?
So which do you recommend?
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Privacy is a major feature of a browser for me as well but I've been using Edge lately (whole ecosystem, on my work/uni laptop, personal pc and phone) because of the built in ChatGPT and DALL-E. I find it extremely convenient that with just a tap, you bring those AI models in front of you ready to compose an email for you, create a bulleted list, summarise a big document, generate a wallpaper, etc. Also, as for the speed, it has nothing to be jealous of vs Chrome and Firefox. I sometimes feel that it's even faster.
it is faster
For the news story’s it depends. I actually am ok with tracking when I click on a news article and which I avoids which then can recommend me news I’m actually interested in.
To make a long story short, I’ve used all four of these browsers (on both W11 and Linux Mint, and the winner (IMO) is Brave, with Chromium second. Brave is the fastest and most secure, hands down.
hardened firefox is objectively the securest but sure pop off linux user.
@@ame72813 show me your "hardened firefox", i'll show you mine. still, Brave wins