I DON'T like my web browsing options in 2024...
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2024
- I am struggling to find a web browser that has the features, privacy, security, funding, ethics and development schedule that I like. Here's my thoughts as to why I have switched away from using Firefox.
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Just using FF to have an impact Chromium engine not to become the monopolist...
Not even a dent
Chromium is already monopoly. They don't need to achieve 100% of the market for that
It's sad that doing this doesn't make much of a difference... Honestly Mozilla needs to better prioritize their main product and improve on a bunch of things that have been a staple since forever. I use Firefox both because I like it and I don't want to support Chrome and Google. But man, it's hard sometimes.
I enjoyed Brave for a while but I can't cope with the crypto BS
@drakemallard6100 I understand ths point however Chromiums engine is the defacto standard. This was a HUGE miss step from Mozilla in my opinion. They should have encouraged multiple browsers to use their engine and made it accessible and easy to customize. This is exactly what Google did with Chromium and this is exactly why most web browsers including Edge are chromium based. Thats the cold hard truth sadly.
The biggest issue for many while browsing is ads. This is something you didn't touch on, and many of these browsers share the chromium lineage - this means manifest v3 or any variant thereof in the future. Firefox, as far as I know is the only one out there not beholden to subscribing to the manifest v3 way of life. Support firefox to retain your ability to 'better' control your viewing experience and what controls google has over shoving ad's in your face.
My point exactly and that's why I keep using Firefox. User since version 1. All the other browsers I've tried them, but they aren't Firefox. As long as it's available I'll keep using it.
You hit the nail on the head
Absolutely right !
I do think Firefox should continue to exist to give people choice. Having said that, Vivaldi has pretty solid ad blocking. At least on desktop. I'm not as impressed with it on mobile.
Exactly what I was thinking. Yes, Firefox has a really poor adoption rate at the moment (2.2%, last I heard), but it's open-source, works well and has for a long time. I started using its predecessor, the Mozilla Browser, back around 1998 in Red Hat Linux, and have mostly stuck with it since then (with a brief foray into Opera, and Chromium for video sites since performance is slightly worse there in Firefox for me).
I predict quite a few people will switch back to Firefox (or forks like LibreWolf, Floorp and Midori) when Chrome cripples adblocking extensions.
I'm in the FF team, I've tried Vivaldi multiple times but keep getting back. One of the cool features FF has is disabling video autoplay natively, which Chromium based browsers do with the help of an extension, which itself doesn't work great all the times. Also, the mobile version of FF now supports extensions which is awesome.
yeah but ff on android is way slow than vivaldi and brave , ff is only better on desktop
You can disable autoplay in Vivaldi without an extension. It is done in the privacy settings - either by setting a global default or exceptions for each site. In fact you can do just about anything in Vivaldi, maybe too much sometimes !
That is not really addressing the issues of FF, that IG is mentioning in the video, is it?
well, yeah, I think so. However, most of the video addresses IG's reasoning to choose his browser therefore I've shared my reasons, just as a POV @@little_forest
@@kudou9243 Exactly why I don't like firefox on mobile.
I feel stuck and imprisoned whenever I fall on a browser that has about short of an 8 lines menu and context-menu, therefore, UNINSTALL.
The FF branches of browsers are the only ones that gives me all the tools and ease I want: A full fledge working menu and context-menu, with sub-menu I must add. Examples are; I can select any text, click context-menu, and search the selection with a choice of any search-engines I have personally added (general search, site search, etc). I can also turn any link/url into a text, and/or any text into an url/link, which I can paste into the urlbar or into another tab or open into another tab or window, even a private-window, without any of the tracing-krap. I also NEED to view any page FULL-SCREEN without the page shifting up/down whenever I hover the toolbar/tab-bar into view. (something something "element; opacity=0" "element:hover; opacity= 0.7" does the trick ;)
As far as speed, they're all the same, nomatter their claim. Don't import your settings. Learn about where these are in windows/linux, then, copy those settings and place/replace the settings that have been "customized" by the newly installed browser (you know, the "appdata-mozilla-profile" or ".mozzila" or ".firefox"), that way, you can start browsing right where you left-off with the old-browser with all bookmarks/settings/addons/history/loggins/cookies/etc.
ANY browser can claim to be faster than the next, when all they have done to speed-up their process is removing fonctionalities. That is a very lame job. Period.
Browsers are not slow, the web is. Because it's polluted with useless counter-productive tracking krap, the real spyware. Imagine a self driving-car stuck on a totally desert road/highway because it can't get any data or basic fuction, because of too much web-traffic (lol). That's today's reality, sadly.
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I don't like the idea of browser engine monopolization that's why I try to stick to non-chromium based browsers. I do understand your reasoning to move away from firefox, though. I am currently on floorp and it is ticking a lot of boxes. For the future let's hope servo engine picks up some momentum and becomes an alternative.
the problem is I doubt the money they use the money for development of firefox from the money they get. just look at how much mozilla pays it ceo, and then it will make more sense
Are there any features that Servo has over the other engines?
Floorp is kinda buggy sometimes and i can't login to my Mozilla account, some VPN extensions weren't working either. It's a good fork but i went back to FF.
I must say, that I simply like Firefox.
- It is fully and truly open source. I can trust it. I do not trust Chrome or Edge, for obvious reasons.
- I never had a situation, where I missed any features.
- Mozilla fought long against EME (Closed Source DRM) as a W3C standard. Without Mozilla and Firefox, webstandards would be dictated by Google and Microsoft.
- Some extensions for Chrome + derivatives have many limitations. Adblockers on certain commercial sites for instance. This alone would make me use Firefox.
- I like the interface! Some say it's not modern. But it 'just works'. Elements have the right size, etc., again in difference to e.g. Chrome, which became a little fiddly.
- etc.
ff was hijacked by google years ago. ff was its starting point to where it is now. they used ff to collect searching data of its users (and later pretty much all data). they pushed ff and as its market share increased they had a lot of data and users. especially when we talk about windows version, linux version holded its independent status longer. other thing is, that ff, respective mozilla resides in usa. and according to us laws, every such company has duty to spy on its users and cooperate with us security state, respectively enable them backdoor access...
I use Chrome and Firefox, depending on the day/need.
I suspect Chrome will take a hit in July, when Manifest V3 takes full effect and Adblockers are severely limited in Chrome/Chromium based browsers... Unless the API call limit is raised by then.
Brave is a good Chrome alternative.
Stop using Chrome.
@@Manigo1743 The only problem with that is the way other browsers render things.
I love Firefox, but it renders pinterest emails strangely in gmail, and a web game I play isn't compatible with the browser.
I'm using Vivaldi now, and have been for the past few years.
For me the killer feature in Vivaldi is the tab management. It goes beyond tab grouping to give you stacked tabs, which I find a lot more helpful. I haven't seen any other browser do that. Then you add to that the email, RSS, and calendar clients. And that's before you even get to the quick commands and command chains.
I do think all the settings can be confusing for some users. It's a bit more browser than some people need. But the features never get in the way. You can ignore them at your leisure.
And Tiled windows which hardly any other browsers can do are a really nice feature.
@@michaeltodd2012 I was never a big fan of tiling, but I've used it more times than I would've expected. It's a lot more convenient than switching between tabs when you have to compare things.
@@BrianHartmanTo be honest, the only times I really use the Tiling is for News and Weather sites. I can load up 4 of each and quickly scan that type of information. Otherwise, it's not a big deal to not have a window tiling feature.
Also, I install Firefox on every computer that I touch. When other Browsers fail or have update issues. Firefox is there and available.
Firefox is the definition of "wasted potential" nowadays. Vivaldi is what I'm using right now and I think I like it the most, but if I had to point out some gripes I've had with it is that it's buggier and a bit heavier than other browsers.
Firefox is slowly turning into Netscape. Man I miss using it
That is just what happens when you create an almost full customizable browser and the lack of manpower. I still like it and am using it, but I wish Vivaldi had more devs to handle.
i am hardcore devoted to firefox i have used it for 20 years and the fact that ublock origin works better on firefox than on any other non-firefox browser steels my resolve
I used to love Vivaldi 5-10 years ago. I'd still use it, but it became much more resource intensive than eg. Brave, so sadly it's not my daily.
Vivaldi has to many features and isn't open-source.
if only brave removes the crypto mining, or atleast make it removable. i would switch easily.
It doesn't mine anything. Brave has an opt-in service where you can watch ads (from a local catalogue that's downloaded all at once) delivered as toaster popups, and that gives you a bit of crypto to eg. use with Brave's tipping service. The BAT given to users comes, as far as I know, from Brave buying it on the open market with a part of their advertising proceeds that Brave gets paid for with normal money. There being a buyer on the market (Brave) means the creators can cash in any BAT they're tipped. (Brave takes a cut from the tips, AFAIK)
But there is no mining, and that voluntary module is the extent of it. I tell them I'm not interested whenever I set up a new install or profile and never have to see it again, and have a thoroughly degoogled Chromium with vertical tabs that offers privacy-respecting services you can pay for, too. Ever wanted to pay normal honest money for search? Brave lets you.
There is no crypto mining in Brave. It's a rewards for watching ads system, which is already turned off by default.
As a Brave user, I can tell you that while you can't remove the feature you can disable it and opt-out of its rewards/crypto "feature".
From my settings menu :
"Brave Rewards is disabled
Open Rewards panel to enable and get started"
It is also possible to remove the "rewards" icon from the end of the address bar where it resides if enabled.
Loved hearing your comments on the various browsers.
I currently use:
Edge for work (vertical tab implementation is the best!)
Brave for personal.
Vivaldi I've found in the past to be too buggy, but I love the overall vibe of the company/dev team.
I've also experimented with Floorp, a Firefox fork done by a Japanese company. I think this is what Firefox really should be. A "Vivaldi" based on gecko.
iirc Floorp a firefox fork has vertical tab and is open source, and it is more private than a microsoft browser. Of course, it all comes to you, if you want to give it a try. EDIT: It's not on by default
For me, Vivaldi is not near as buggy as it once was. It's really really good. Floorp interests me a lot, but it's not near as featurefull as Vivaldi and it's got a lot of that instability Vivaldi used to be strife with. I'm keeping an eye on Floorp as it matures.
@@nymusicman I've used Floorp for the last 2 months and not encountered any instability!
I use Vivaldi because Vivaldi has tab grouping, which for me is really important because I tend to open alot of tabs so I like to group them all together by website and then hibernate the stack so I can save memory.. I really wish Firefox would just bring that feature into the browser now that basically every other browser now has that feature.
There is an extension called Simple Tab Groups, which isolates tabs from other tabs. That is to say that for example if I am researching a topic about the environment, you can create a category and have tabs on that topic.
My tabs are categorized like this:
- General (for general navigation)
- Courses
- Research
- Movies
- Anime
Agree. Tab stacking is fabulous. I use the feature nearly every browsing session.
Tab Stash is a game changer. Give it a try
FF-nightly calls it "containers"
@@G.K.- Containers are not the same, and you don't need the nightly for it.
Vivaldi is protecting their work, I don't mind if it Is closed source as long as they don't join the dark side
I'm still a loyal Vivaldi user since the very first snapshot and stable builds (even back in the old Opera days where they made awesome features to the browser that actually mattered for the user). It checks every box for me. It also has all the management, productivity, and automating features built-in (that's actually useful for the browsing experience) so I don't need to install separate apps.
And FWIW everything doesn't need to be open-source IMO. If it works for you then all's good.
I'll continue to use Firefox and whenever I come across a site that doesn't work with Firefox I just don't bother with that website. We really need to make sure that Chrome (and it's derivatives) don't become the only choice we have. That would suck and be like only having IE. Look how that worked out for Microsoft.
I should put in an edit. The first thing I do when I refresh my OS and start up Firefox for the first time again is switch the default search engine away from Google. Why do people still just use Google for search? Crazy
So which search engine do you choose instead? And why? I switched to DuckDuckGo, but I have recently heard rumblings I don't like very much. I am interested in everyone's input here. Thanks.
I'm also using Vivaldi, mostly because it actually has the least amount of drawbacks for me compared to the other web browsers.
But it Still uses the chromium engine?
@@AshNonokPlays Yes
I found Vivaldi intrusive. Installing updates without my permission even when it was supposedly disabled, among other things.
@@nodak81 I didn't have that happen on Arch...
@@nodak81 like what?
I once tried Vivaldi and it was nice, but seemed to eat my battery pretty fast.
I have tried loads, i keep going back to firefox, as ublock doesnt work on chromium browsers on youtube 100% of the time, randomly doesnt work or gets detected and then a youtube popup says disable it or you can only watch 3 videos
Firefox lost me when it dropped the useful PWA SSB support. Now I use Edge which is great. Fast and feature rich. Sites easily installed as apps.
You said you cared about founding, but you didn't talked about Vivaldi's funding. You may complain about Firefox's funding, but Vivaldi's is not that different. They also make money out of partnerships with search engines and business promoted in their bookmarks.
Because he’s getting paid to promote Vivaldi
I switched to Vivaldi about a year ago. I love it!! I don't use all the features, but the tiling of tabs is really useful at times. Good to hear that I am on the right track!
My objection to Vivaldi, Brave, and Opera is that they're all too cluttered. I want a web browser. I don't want to join a religion, open a play-money account, link all my life, or be absorbed into the singularity.
For Brave and Opera, you can go into settings and turn all of that off.
Yep. Just use settings.
@@Moonflush Or I can use a browser that doesn't come with all that junk.
I'll go with the second option.
The problem is that Firefox keeps falling behind on features, retains a look which isn't the most modern, lacks a fair number of good QoL extensions that may be needed, and most importantly is just not fast enough. Chromium fwiw is still the better engine, although I wish WebKit existed on windows just because it could make things more competitive
I have to use Chrome at work, for personal use I tend to flip-flop between FireFox and other browsers (Edge, Brave, etc) but always seem to migrate back to Firefox in the end.
For the presenter and commentators saying they use or are switching to Vivaldi: _you're just using Chromium_ ! Same as Edge, Brave, Opera and the rest.
If you're happy in a browser engine monoculture, then fine. But don't claim you're choosing a browser engine diversity that doesn't actually exist.
I'll continue to use Firefox and its derivatives or cousins, such as Librewolf or Pale Moon solely because letting the Chromium engine rule the roost with zero alternatives is a terrible thing to do -as anyone who remembers the stagnating dominance of IE6 can attest.
Anyone claiming to ask fundamental questions but _failing_ to ask, "does my choice of browser enhance or diminish engine diversity and does that tend to enhance or diminish non-proprietary web standards?" has missed a crucial point, I think.
well said
Thing is a few people doing it for principles will not matter on the grand picture.
Firefox devs need to get their shit together or we are delaying the inevitable.
@RoyalPain_isaG If the "principled thing" was a bit rubbish or involved pain, I'd agree with you. But I can't see any drawbacks using Firefox. It's not like it's a steaming pile of bugs, security flaws and molasses. It's a perfectly decent browser: I honestly don't know what stuff you want the developers to get together!
So, in this case, doing the principled thing involves no drama and gives the middle finger squarely to both Google and Microsoft, so I see zero downsides to doing it!
i use librewolf often but my main browser is still edge, it's just convenient sometimes(you can change tab with alt tab in edge)
@@trk1b28varianrhesa4 And you can change tab in Firefox with Ctrl+Tab, too. (Shift+Ctrl+Tab cycles through your open tabs backwards, as well).
I switch to FF 2 or 3 years ago and i will never go back to Chrome except when i need to watch clip on Google Drive
Vivaldi has been my go to as of late. I want to love Firefox but it's features just seem to lag so far behind where the web is going.
I have been playing around with Thorium browser. Chromium-based, it feels more responsive than Chrome or Firefox. When I do use Firefox, I use the developer edition, as I find the extra feature set useful.
That was a cogent analysis. I primarily use Brave but without the Crypto and Rewards options. It's important to always have at least two browsers installed, just in case something breaks. Brave and Vivaldi might be very good choices. Most Linux distros come with Firefox and keeping it is probably a good idea, also.
I use 5 browser setup:
Chrome - for my google accounts and google websites. They track you anyway, so why would you care?
FF forks (mobile - Fennec, pc - Librewolf) - searching only. It's pretty good for its purpose to be fair, if one fork becomes dead there're a plethora of other ones
Vivaldi - my non-google accounts + sync
Tor - accessing blocked websites
Brave - fallback option
I use Brave on desktop and mobile synced and with cripto crap turn off, is fast and and i think is the best so far. Firefox needs to improve allot to make me switch. And Vivaldi is ok but as too many settings and i get confused what does what, is a nightmare.
I think that you forgot to mention that Opera is China owned nowdays, so it is not that surprising that it is "sketchy" :)
Chrome will definitely add manifest v3-only (and disable v2 as I remember), which will be the moment I will ditch it and switch to Firefox completely.
Opera is owned by china, 0 trust. (yeah, I don't use tik-tok also) It uses chromium, so not sure what will be with manifest v3 in future.
Brave is still based on chromium.
Vivaldi is still based on chromium.
Edge is Microsoft (yeah, I remember IE times and their awful policy) and still based on chromium.
I have seen how bad can a monopoly be (IE), something similar is going on with Google and their manifest v3 ideas.
Because of this, I wil be switching only to Firefox. It is unique, independent, with own engine, so I will better support the minority to kick out possible monopoly actions right now.
i just spent 2 hours trying to figure out how to enable a cookie 4 a single web site 2 no avail in firefox where went user friendliness ?
Firefox user since version 1. For me it's fast enough, has all the extensions I need and at least uBlock will keep working on Fx. With Chrome and all who use Webkit engine with Manifest V3 around the corner I'm not so sure.
Using Firefox, to support the usage of Gecko is vital for the health of the internet. Otherwise we might hand over the defining of web standards over to Google, who develops the blink engine (that powers pretty much everything but Firefox).
Yours sincerely
Firefox user since Firebird 0.8 (previous name for Firefox)
I'm using Vivaldi, with the management of my several email accounts, agenda, tab grouping and workspaces. I even have a secondary profile, to test stuff.
I don't mind ads, I mind spying
Vivaldi is pretty great. For me, I either use Firefox or Vivaldi, I tend to switch between the two. Vivaldi's closed source is fully auditable, so anyone can download and read through it. It's not open source though, so you can't reuse or repackage any of it. It's also just the source code, so there's no documentation for it, although it is human - readable (it's not minified). Vivaldi reminds me of more old school software for the early 2000's where everything you could think of exists as an options, it's really customizable and pleasantly stable considering the amount of customization it give yous.
Most people don't know this and just complain it isn't open source. Which is technically true but they don't realize what you just explained. A lot of people have made videos about it without doing proper research.
quite frankly, saying that Vivaldi is "source available" is probably a better take
I started with Opera on Windows 3.11 in the late 90s. Only recently switched from Opera to Edge as it runs the best on Windows.
If I refuse to use anything with Chromium in it, what am I left with (that has decent extensions)? Only FF.
you can try many hardened firefox fork without mozilla data collectors in it.
I have 3-4 different browsers for my machines for various use-cases, but Vivaldi has been my main browser since late 2015/early 2016. It's absolutely not perfect, especially considering video playback of certain formats will randomly crash, but it's king of media streaming and customization for me. Plus the tiling/tab-multi-plexing is clutch on my HTPC.
I recently used FF for a couple of months but ended up switching back to Brave, which I'll keep as my default until I find something that I like better!
No mention of Mullvad?
Switched over from Vivaldi (still keep it as my secondary browser) to Brave as I like the way it handles ads on youtube natively (don't want ads shoved down my throat while viewing videos).
I stick with Firefox because it's FOSS. If it's a closed source browser, you don't actually know that any of the privacy options are taking effect. They may have coded the graphics that make it look like you've turned them on or off, but that's as far as you'll know.
I like FireFox, and recently I switch to Floorp because of the extra customization options.
Same
Wat options?
@@johanb.7869 Better vertical tabs when using either the 'Tree Style Tabs' or 'Sidebery' extensions. Combining the top toolbar with the title bar. Combining the toolbar and tab bar if you choose to keep the horizontal tabs. There might be a few others but those are the ones that stood out to me. Plus it is built on the more security oriented branch of FireFox so the default privacy options are a little better.
I am pragmatic, if something is useful to me, I use it, that and it shows that they want to improve; firefox does not meet any of them, I prefer to use vivaldi or edge which are better, or else I use waterfox or florp which do the work of firefox a thousand times better
I've now used Vivaldi daily for about a year. Love it...
I've been using Vivaldi for years. I love this thing.
I use Brave. Mobile client has tab grouping. I just ignore the gimmicky features. I don't need everything about the browser to tailor to my exact needs.
I'll give Vivaldi a try in the future.
I've been using Brave for over a year, on Win, Mac, and Mint. I can't see me changing at present.
I hate how even webkit is bullied out, there used to be a lot of nice and small webkit browsers, now there's almost only chrome-based stuff...
Orion is a pretty good WebKit browser, the main problem a lot of WebKit browsers run into for me is a lack of extensions, whereas Orion allows both Firefox and Chrome extensions. There are also some websites that somehow don’t support Webkit though, which seems crazy to me given how many users of it there are with the iPhone.
the BIGGEST problem is, there's literally only 3 browser engines, and the engine is 90% of the browser...
EVEN MICROSOFT GAVE UP DEVELOPING A NEW ONE (very very sadly)
your options are "fork of chrome", "fork of firefox", or some webkit browser
I really don't see the point in all this extra features. Tab grouping, vertical tabs, containers, those are actually useful, but mail? vpn? just why? Firefox still is the best option if you care about privacy and open source, The only problem I see with it is that they need better branding to stop loosing users
I like a sidebar for putting web apps that people want to readily access in there since it’s nice to have a little dedicated spot for them, but I much prefer when it’s only there as needed
Vivaldi. Hands down. Tried them all but keep going back to it. The features...esp if you open a gazillion tabs like I do.😅 Also love that I can choose where my tabs are. Customization in other words.
Definitely up there, but to me Edge is slightly better.
i really enjoyed this holistic discussion vibe, much more thought provoking than your typical tier lists or feature comparison.
I sandbox them, chrome for google services, edge for microsoft services, opera for social media, most secure browser with no extensions for banking, brave for day to day surfing
How do you do this? I've thought of that but don't want the overhead of a VM, and not sure docker or something can do it
@@ZombieJig I just install them on bare metal
Brave .....to me is the way to go....been running it for a long time....and very satisfied
I will give V a try but floorp has me with its features right now. I use Brave/Wolf/Ungoogled/Floorp and can not choose one. The standout is floorp. I do not see speed differences either not even on youtube. If i am signed into google obviously i care less about privacy so i try and have one just for google use.
At the moment Safari is my go to with second unfortunately be Edge.
I could user FF or Vivaldi, which I actually want, but the miss a very critical feature
Synced workspaces (or just Tab Groups). Safari has this for more than a year and Edge implemented it for a couple of months now, and continuing where I left of to another device is god send.
If FF or Vivaldi had this, I would probably switch.
One unique feature that Safari has is also PrivateRelay which is very nice, but the synced TabGroups(Or workspaces) is a must for me
I'm sure there's a few Firefox extensions out there that add tab grouping. One fork of FF that I use, called Floorp, has Workspaces built-in. Unfortunately, I don't think syncing would be possible at this moment
@@Heisenberger_69 HI, yes I use Floorp, and it is actually pretty nice.
unfortunately no syncing for tab groups or workspaces
I use Vivaldi as my daily! Most customizable and making it my own.
Customizable to the nth degree. Agree.
Google also writes a big fat check to firefox because EU could curbstop them for having a chromium monopoly if firefox stopped existing and google shit's bricks when EU starts noticing.
A key problem for power users is that we need a single browser to sync our history, bookmarks, tabs, sessions etc on all platforms. Unfortunately
no browser is equally good on both desktop and mobile. Vivaldi and browser are good on desktop, vivaldi is great on Android tablets but no good on phones, safari and Samsung Internet are fantastic on mobiles, but not desktops. Vivaldi comes close but its phone version is just rotten compared to safari and Samsung. Hopefully they will adopt some of their UI paradigms and become the one browser to rule them all!
Has anyone noticed Brave is running RUclips slower than it used to. I run Brave as system app (not flatpak) in POP. But recently I noticed that RUclips buffers a lot in Brave. My internet is fiber 1 GBPS. So just for once I switched to Chrome and RUclips was running 4k videos fine again. No buffering whatsover.
Used to use Firefox for as long as I could remember. Since the move the new mobile browser, which now has extensions I hear etc., I have moved over to edge. Personally, it has been a great move as work, business, school just complement each other. I only hope containers will be available soon! That said, I do hope Firefox continues to survive.
I prefer brave browser over the rest
I don't care for crypto bros who got fired from their last job for sexual harassment and anti-human rights campaigns.
Vivaldi, due to the incredible customization options (I can't live without mouse gestures anymore).
Don't forget the tab thumbnails in vivaldi is awesome
I actually like Firefox more than any copy of Chrome. It is fast, nice to look at, I have the tools I use the most...
The drawback is, still today, some webpages don't work at all.
what webpages? i'm a heavy firefox user and have never had any issues
@@sizquirtt The one I can recall that actually sent me on the moon for the rage is my college website. It is a high quality webpage, used nationally and it doesn't work on Firefox 😢. So when I need to study I have to use Edge. Apart from this I love Firefox. It is so nice to look at. Edge, on the other hand, is filled with buttons, words, actions not required just to make it bigger. Big and fat.
@@sizquirtt Ditto
I still waiting for the first Servo-based web browser.
Works good until I go to FB Market place and try to go through the sale items. Shortly after going through them it bogs down to the point I can hardly move to the next ad. Also takes a longtime to exit the FB program. I have 3 computers and it happens on all them. No problem with other browsers I have installed. Any ideas?
If Vivaldi has the Multi-Container and autoplay blocking like FF natively, I bet many people will jump out the ship for Vivaldi.
A lot of people don’t want to use Chromium
So question....would U pay to use a browser that meets your criteria?
No, because someone will always make that for free. There are other browsers to come in the future.
ABSOLUTELY GUTTED to see your excellent vid now. As after some 10 years of sole use of the Iron ( portable ) browser for everyday use and up to a couple of last updates got a few niggles but stuck with it. Then, literally 2 days ago spotted the Opera One ( portable ), I don't install anything if can be avoided, browser with the features I always sort after in Iron such as, workspace, Tab Islands, and the AI flyout / pinable panels, clean cut config/settings etc etc without the need for too many extensions. So in 2 days converted after n years to another browser and just go settled and while casually testing today spotted this vid. I am now in a state of flux after your findings on Opera One. Can you inform of the watch out points of this browser a I have to be honest and say I have taken to it like a duck to water and am now stuck in nowhere land. Great presentation, Kind Rgds. Lost in space.....
I’ve been pretty happy with Vivaldi for a couple of years now. Since you’re considering funding and things like the company making the browser, it’s probably worth considering some of the people involved as well. I don’t use Brave and never will because of the issues with the CEO past behaviour around the lgbtq+ community
"Let's jump into it"? I thought we already had
While FF is financially dependent on Google money, heck Microsoft's hold on the Linux foundation is nothing to be sniffed at... The *browser engine* is not dependent on big tech.
I would love them to have done some of what vivaldi have done, but it's simply not the case and I don't want to be using anther chromium browser.
So it's a bit depressing to see it deflating in usage statistics but Firefox is more necessary than ever for me now, because it is going to be SO bad to see this trend continue.
On my system, idle, Brave open on a blank page: 85W average power consumption.
On my system, idle, Vivaldi open on a blank page: 112W average power consumption.
That's why i use Brave and not Vivaldi.
I love Vivaldi so much. I can't imagine using any other browser.
I'm sticking with Firefox, while it keeps the memory use is ok, it's fine I was never bothered by the ui changes, I used to use the Vimperator and similar plugins. I've played about with various minimal broswers over the years, mostly Suckless offerings whose names I've now forgotten, even used to use KHTML browsers for a long time, too long, being a windows then a linux user since 2000, very weird to see all the ads being for apple products by the twenty tens.
If you're on Gnome, Chromium and closely Chromium-based ones respect your user themes, dark mode and look more native. Edge and Brave are both decent options that integrate well in this regard. Brave require some tweaking first to use disable their standard theme and use GTK theming. Last time I checked Firefox didn't. For example it doesn't detect and use your system font size, refresh rate etc so you have to set those up for Firefox specifically. And while Vivaldi and Opera are Chromium-based, they want to brand themselves too hard and don't seem to care to respect user themes.
Long time Firefox user, mainly because it isn't Chrome. Then went to Opera for several years due to features like workspaces and start page management. Then it got bloated and perhaps too much foreign backing. So back to Firefox the last couple years. I routinely used Edge in my former job as it had needed Enterprise features and is very memory conscience. I've also used Vivaldi a bit at home and really enjoy its Split windows and macro features.
I was a longtime firefox user but I kept running into issues when watching live streams and it became to frustrating to deal with.
Generally Firefox by default, Chromium for work purposes, and Brave for backup. I do also have Gnome Web which would be great if they could get extensions to work properly.
wait people actually use Gnome web?
@@RogueRen I use it for testing against the webkit engine since I do not have a mac and therefore, no easy access to Safari.
Your opinion is interesting
Many of my clients switched to Chrome from Firefox because Firefox is slow.
at this point, I don't know what "new features" you'd expect... these things are already way too complicated for their own good...
I like Brave, but still use FF at times too
on my Mac I use safari, really no complaints - it has come a long way and is quite resource friendly, whereas Brave/Firefox/Chrome will chew battery + memory.
Opera was my main browser for a long time, because it does not cause problems with a lot of open tabs, while Chrome and Firefox do not work very well with many tabs even on my notebook with 64 GB of RAM. What I hate about Opera is that it does not let me delete Google from the list of search engines or edit the query string.
Could should be stopped from bribing all other browsers. That is very anti-competitive.
Firefox is the browser that still make it the easiest to save an image from a website which tries to prevent you from saving it. Instagram for example.
What I would ask from any new browser is an option to reject WebP, Aviv and all those other new image formats. Usually websites offer a JPEG as a fallback for browsers that to not support those other formats. So it should be possible for browsers to request the JPEG in he first place.
This is in essence one of the main issues with Open Source. I dont like browser tracking I also dont like being forced to use certain features and having advertising rammed down my throat. However. Tell me how exactly any browser can exist long term without innovation. Over time this is clearly what drives users to move from browser to browser. You want premium expect to compromise. Otherwise I'm fine with Chromium or Firefox they do what I need and not much more.
3 months on, I’m curious where you landed.
Firefox, primarily. Brave as backup - because sometimes I'll encounter a site that just has better functionality under chromium and I *refuse* to use Chrome itself. It's actually somewhat alarming that there's so little competition with the core web browser engine. We need Fx to continue because a chromium only future has all sorts of not great implications.
I worry that Firefox will hit a patch where development will stagnate and it'll start losing site functionality, but until then it works and with the right setup privacy confidence is high (at least as high as it can be with any browser). Dreading someone telling me that Containers are leaky.
Firefox needs more feature like a sidebar. Like com'on.. it's 2024.
Using firefox aftar some time, it take huge, very huge amount of RAM in windows. This is terrible!
I think brave is fully opensource
It is yes
How is the Mozilla's revenue from Google affected by Firefox having the default search engine Google? You can change the search engine.
I've tried the other browsers, but keeping Firefox here.
I love Vivaldi for the customization and nice other feature, especially the community made stuff. I also really like they don't push no AI or cypto or anything like that I hate it when companies keep pushing it so hard. Also their ios app does need some more work but usable.