Tillotson T4 Build + High Speed Track Test | We got a REAL Racing Kart!
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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CarsandCameras is going to the track! Go Power Sports sent us a Tillotson T4 package; a high quality asphalt circuit racing go kart that we're assembling, breaking in, and taking to the track in today's episode! The Tillotson T4 is powered by the classic Tillotson 225cc engine, producing 15 horsepower. In this variant, the engine has a 6500RPM rev limiter, has an hour meter installed, an anti tampering device, and more subtle changes that make it different than the standard Tillotson 225cc racing engine. This $4,250 package is certainly more expensive than our regular back yard builds, but it proves to be a reliable, low cost option for getting into pro level karting!
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😂🎉party time! Love the track. John you should cut out a spot back in your field and do some paving, make a wee little track with asphalt or something. That would be cool. Or even just dirt but you need to make it super smooth. This way u guys can do more of these fast racing type builds too
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They should build another ratrod wagon with a high power briggs and good handling to go up against these kind of karts
Yes! This would be epic!
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Yes sir
More of this, Ike and Charles need a kart!!!!! One of my favorite episodes yet, been waiting on this since I saw the kart.
I feel the same way
Kids at my school like to pick on me because im a go kart guy. I think they think go karts are stupid kids toys but oh no. I've been laughed at many times trying to tell people these karts are no joke. I've been in arguments about weather racing is a sport because people don't think it is physically challenging. They would be so surprised to find out how hard it is to handle high power go karts.
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2 track days in one week! This kart RIPS! What should we do with our T4?
try seeing what it can do in a full on race with others
Will the do cardi engine fit on this new go-kart you want to make more power I'm not really sure what they say upgrade or put a different engine on it
I forgot that you guys lived in North Carolina I just moved out here like 6 months ago maybe we should hang out sometime or something I don't know mini go cars as a moment but I mean it would be fun to get into it yeah if you're wondering I am the guy that gave you I think it was $5 and a super chat a long time ago and you guys came up with the idea of the gold and silver for the draghkar idea I came up with the color scheme
Give it the C&C treatment. Cover it in '80s splatter paint, put knobby tires on it, and swap the engine for a Trail 90 engine.
When are you having another Mini Mayhem? I'm just finishing up with a beautiful 1985 Honda Odyssey Fl350 I want to show off to Cars and Cameras!! Check me out!ruclips.net/video/FxK9AQXkbYA/видео.html
"i rent the track i wanna drive on the whole thing" fuckin love Charles
It’s gotta feel awesome knowing you guys are the reason a lot of people started to build karts and mini bikes etc. I definitely always had a hankering for karts bikes and I even had a old Honda Odyssey. Buttt you guys are the reason I started to customize my stuff! I even bought a welder for such reasons! Keep up being peoples idols in the kart world guys! You are all amazing!!
I got to ride one of those 2 stroke race carts. Those are Hella fast. I was on and a party group came out on their rentals, like this track. I was whipping past everyone, I was 15 I think. I wasn't even really supposed to be able to drive it because of my age, but my dad vouched for me and I was able to drive it. The people up on the balcony who were watching the other rental session were more impressed by my driving. These people on the track had no idea I was on a faster kart. My dad was at track level and he could hear other people, being like I don't think he is going to get past that group and I would find a gap and they were like wow, I can't believe he was able to pass them and stuff like that. My Dad was just smiling the whole time and was telling them that's my son. I think that might have been the only time he has done that my whole life.
Use to race them as a teen, everyone thought we were a "terror" on the normal 6HP go kart a kid might normally have.. The dads all came out when we pulled the racing cart out to fly down the streets at 100mph (private neighborhood so no worries) and cheered us on to push it.
The castor on the front wheels is what is making the frame flex when you turn the wheel. It's one of the biggest adjustments for race cars. When you turn the wheel the inside front and outside rear tires will have more weight on them because the front tire is pushed down due to the castor angle. It's a cool effect that helps the car turn.. if it starts to slide and you correct by turning the wheel the other way the effect is reversed and will help gather the kart back up before you spin out.
I’m digging the track content! Looks like tons of fun. I would be cool for all three of you to build your own carts then race them on the track.
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I've been waiting on the video of this kart having seen it in a few episodes
Andrew at Tillotson and myself created the badging for the Tillotson engines about 6 years ago. E for EPA, R is for RACE and RS is for RACE SPEC. I took inspiration from automotive classifications. The Tillotson 212E is an EPA regulated engine, The 196R and 212R are racing engines and the 225RS is the Race Spec because it was designed around the concept of spec class racing like spec Miata. The T4 Class is a fully spec class very similar to Margay's Ignite Series where everyone is on the same chassis, tire and engines. To seal the engine was a debated topic and decided after the name was created for the engines.
I remember watching the sprint Kart races in OKC in the mid 80's at MacArthur park. They were insane! I have watched the twin engine laydown Karts race at Hallet Motor Racing Circuit near Tulsa also in the mid 80's. Those guys were beyond INSANE! Love the racing footage! Keep it up! Great video!
I've been watching you guys for a while, and you got me into minibikes. I've gotten an monster moto 80cc and 212 swapped it, get a stage 2 kit soon.
Keep pumping out these videos.
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I'm loving these track videos I am hoping for more to come
Must be a FULL SEND week!
Awesome guys. That T4 is so cool. That is definitely not your daddy's race kart. I've always preferred road circuit over dirt oval. Can't wait to see more of the T4.
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS GONNA BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please be safe, and have a ton of fun!!!!!
I agree with another commenter about building your own paved track. It`ll be expensive but you have the real estate to do it.
Now if your able to get that snowmobile 2-stroke powered kart out with the right tweaking and tuning. I'd love to see the lap times on that beast!
They did a 42 I believe last time
Seriously no better example of pure mechanical grip that a true racing kart. I’ve been doing this for 6 years now and it’s pretty comical watching people who think racing a kart is easy then watch them almost puke after the first heavy g turns lol.
Yeah its weird to get used to that feeling.
I thought the flat part on the steering wheel needs to be at the bottom. For knee room.
@@Matherofacts it’s not just go carts. Any race car in general.
You guy's need two more so y'all can go racing. There isn't anything like the G force you get from those racing carts on a road track. I have a friend who had a couple back in the day and I got to run a wicked Merlin brand cart, I was sore for a couple days after that!!
I've been waiting for this video. So glad to see you guys out on the track having a blast. I would love to see you guys do more racing content.
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The parts on that cart look amazing. I think 4k is totally in line for that high quality stuff.
LOVE THE CHANNEL!
This chassis is junk compared to the competition.
Back in the 80s, I drove Micro stocks for several owners at Home of Champions Speedway, a 1/10 mile paved oval ( the last of the urban bull rings ) in Pine brook N.J. We ran with flat head 5hp Briggs engines in two divisions, sportsman ( you could take the swirl baffle out of the pulsa jet carb and take the governor out ) or modified ( It's easier to tell you what we couldn't do) Bore was limited to +.100, stock stroke, we couldn't use the aluminum flywheel from a 3 1/2 hp that used a hub-mounted starter sprag because they flew apart at 7400 or so rpm. I got around this by using the flywheel from the later push mowers that had the Bendix cartridge next to the flywheel. as it had a continuous ring around the outer edge, making them much stronger. My team owner bought all of our engines from Cliff Loss at J.C. specialties Cliff and I were always looking for more speed. I would get an idea and ask his opinion. I was working construction at the time and just happened to cut through a recently demolished section and spotted 2 doors with those electromagnetic door locks and took them home to see if I could build a crank balancer. Except for the pinpoint spot on a locating cap contacting one magnet, the crankshaft was suspended in a magnetic field, eliminating almost 100% of the friction. I called Cliff and he asked if I could bring it to his shop. While I was setting up my balancer, Cliff was balancing a crank and bob weights on his high-dollar dynamic balancer. We then took that setup and put it on my balancer. Any engine builder will tell you that balancing has a point of diminishing return and that's what Cliff said this was what we had now. I put the crank between the magnets and turned them on. I turned the crank to give it a slight spin. It turned for a few seconds and rolled right to the heavy spot and stopped. Cliff said, " impressive, but you won't gain anything by trying to make it more perfect". All I said was "Let me try" I spun it again to find the heavy spot and used a die grinder on the counterweights. When I was happy Cliff said "good, let's go eat". On the way out I gave the crank a good spin. When we got back it was still slowly spinning. He put it in a motor and we dynoed it. At 6000 rpm it was quite down on power. At 6500, 7000, 7500, it was better but not great. We tried a more worked carburetor and manifold and it was happier but the engine didn't seem to keep up with the intake flow. Cliff said, "We seem to be in between carburetors". I said, "Can we rev it a little higher to make it want more air?" So on the next pulls we turned 8000 rpm and it was not done, 8500 and it still wanted more, but Cliff wouldn't go any higher so I called the team owner and he bought the motor. I put it in my car for the next race and it was lazy off the corners but turning 7800 going in. Next, I put 4 teeth in the sprocket and that was better but still needed more off but turned 8200. For my heat race, I took off the 12 tooth clutch and put on an 11, and added 4 more teeth to the sprocket. That woke it up. We went from starting 7th to 3rd in an 8 lap heat. I hit the recall on the tach and almost choked when I saw 9350 rpm. That engine was freshened up 1 time in 3 seasons and we always ran it that hard.
Good job guys please do more so Charles also competes.
I see Charles future as a pro racer🤘🏻😆🤘🏻
Take care of those backs!!! You'll miss a lot of fun if you don't. Core strengh!
They are a great package, got to sample one the other week at Canberra Kart Track Australia on a practice day. They have a nice smooth power delivery all the way to you start limiter bashing. The chassis does handle well and some looseness it the fast way to set them up. The one I drove was driven by 40+ people that day, with no set up changes made during the day. Drivers from normal people to Professional racers, I was happy to only be 1.2 seconds off the fastest driver (I only did 7 laps) who is a pro driver (he raced at the Bathurst 1000 last year) and I'm over 20kg (44lbs) heavier and over 30 years older then him. Enjoy and do plenty of laps.
Supper awesome go cart. Man just rad to build a nice cart and race it all in the same day. Man times have changed. Great wrk and great first day driving it. Was a blast to watch.
the frame twisting is called "jacking" and it allows the thing to actually be able to turn in high grip situations.
I love to see you all race this kart. I think it is awesome!
U guys have giving me motivation I took a yamha raptor 660r and put it on a drift trike it's fast as flip
John is good at Carts and Issac is good with minibikes, it just
works that way.😁😁
Pretty cool kart, but the thing I'm mostly focussing on, that intake, wow that really smooths out the look of the engine putting the carb out the back like that, simple little part I know, but, it's the little things... :D
Isn't the steering upside down? The flat part should be down.
Doesn’t look like it. The branding looks to be on top for obvious reasons, and the site shows it on the way they have it. Makes sense to have it the other way too, though.
Tillotson T4 looks like a load of fun for racing .. in kart racing, lower powered engines make for more exciting racing and more fun... while faster motors are more thrilling.
FWIW I really enjoyed this episode of Cars and Cameras. I prefer however you guys wrenching on and fabricating your own projects. Your good at that and inspires me to work on my own stuff. I'd much rather see you revive something that you un buried from the depths of a garage and brought back to life than something brand new that came with a sheet of instructions. Thank you for the great content over the years!!!!
As a person who has driven circle track cars. I can tell you what you were saying about the G forces is no joke. in a circle track car even strapped in very tightly with a five point harness. it still feels like it's ripping you apart. about the only difference is on a road course is that the sensation is happening both ways. where as with a circle track the forces or mostly pulling you to the right. one thing for sure it's somewhat difficult to describe the sensation. where other people might really get the full idea what it's like.
The time has come. Now you guys racing in Brand new stuff. I like that alot
Im voting it Charles that sets the fastest time…. Ill comment when i finish watching the video
I couldn’t of been more wrong 😂
My brother, myself, and a good friend picked up used race karts and have 212’s in them. Hands down just about the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Yes! Do this stuff more often! Especially with the 670cc 2 stroke! I love it!!!
I spend far too much time watching your karts when I should be working . Good job my boss is a fan as well 👍
Awesome to see you guys in a proper kart! Ive hoped for years yall would get into road racing
Not at all a bad price for a ready to race kart, especially for a class with strict rules.
Honestly, John, there’s no reason for you to explain why the other carts are passing because I didn’t even think of that until you said something lol we all just enjoy watching you guys content
I was asking about gokart track content, and here we are. Awesome! 👍
Yeah, that was extremely cool guys! I love the road racing, and it's a really nice course. More more more!
Isn't the steering wheel upside down? I thought the flat part of those is intended to be down toward the legs to provide more space for the driver. But I've been wrong before.
I believe you're right. Noticed the same thing
It's the correct way up, as it has the branding on top, Better Aero that way.
@@AFFMotorsport pretty much every race car has the flat spot on the bottom to may ingress and egress easier. They may very well have just put the sticker on wrong.
@@hunterdan2002 Access into a kart is nowhere near as restricted as a racecar. If the flat was at the bottom the branding would be upside down and facing the floorpan. The aerodynamics of the wheel allow it to basically have the flat behind the Nassau panel. I've actually driven this exact set up within weeks ago, it is the correct way up.
We installed it correctly
I was sluggish over winter on working on projects but been hyped up back working on them spring is here. Longer days. Catching up on watching your videos on the channel as I always love keeping up with you guys and everything. Hope to come to mini mayhem one year also and meet you all. God bless :)
what a rocket! the fit and finish of all the parts is seriously good. those welds look smooth, and all that machined aluminum is awful purdy
I’ve been waiting for this vid I’ve see it so many times in the background good job guys love your videos
Yall really need to get one of those 2-strokes going on. I would love to see a good comparison between compliant 4-stroke and 2-stroke builds.
I think it's funny how was overselling their kart by saying, again the 2 strokes require more maintenance! Think what u will, 2strokes run way better and r cheaper to maintain! Look at a 4stroke dirt bike/quad. Have fun maintaining that bullshit!
@@shawnsatterlee6035 2 strokes require rebuilds much more often and more jetting, have you never owned both? 4strokes are and have always been the more reliable of the two
@@static_bolt false! I always ran 2 strokes and assuming know how to love them, they will outlive a newer 4stroke for sure! I ran many for 3 seasons with no issues while the 4jokes came apart multiple times. You're just a typical believe what I read person with no actual knowledge.
@@static_bolt also 2 strokes are way cheaper to rebuild. And run way better. If not n asshole and run 50:1 mixture and know how to jet they will run a long life. Plain n simple!
@@shawnsatterlee6035 my main bike is a 2 stroke, they are better motors for power but thinking they outlive 4 strokes just shows you don't know anything. 2 strokes live a life of high rpm and hot engine temperatures
Finally the T4 video has arrived! Very kool boys! I wish tracks were closer!
Thank you for offering to meet and race not a lot of channel's do that for us I think ur on to something there that b giving the people what they want to b in the middle of it instead watching on there phone love y'all's work keep it up
looks like you guys had loads of fun, keep up the good work.
You guys should definitely do a kart build-off between the three of you sometime and race them here!
I love this track, it’s about an hr away from me
Doing a competitive race series would be awesome showing how to get into it and all. I think so much people would want to get into it but just don’t know how to get started.
I so glad my brother told me about y'alls channel a few weeks ago I really enjoy y'alls videos.
as far as I know you turn better if you lean out of the turn, because it have a fixed axel, so if you turn right and lean to the left you put less weight on the back right tire and is easier to turn. That's also why the frame twist when you turn. I learned it the first time I was in a track go kart but I am not an expert and have only done it twice, so not 100% sure. great video as always.
The 225RS, like you mentioned in the video, makes 15 hp and revs to 6500 RPM. Meanwhile, those air-cooled 2-strokes, KA100s, make 22 hp and have no rev limiter, though people usually rev them to around 16k. The watercooled single-speed karts, X30s, make 30 hp and rev to 16k RPM. It's pretty incredible what those 2-stroke karts can do
So awesome guys...really stepping up your game. Love watching you guys have fun can't wait for more 😊
Yes, love the new kart. 2 stoke engines are so high revving and alot quicker.
Road racing is a great addition to your content. Thanks for cranking out great content for all these years. I love your channel!
This is super cool. John was hauling. Actually looked scary. So good.
pretty cool kart. Now maybe try putting the 670 in it 🤣🤣
Yes sir some great kart racing content. 😁
Corner slow and fast out! Sometimes hitting the brake pedal will actually make you go faster
Man I wish I could afford one of those carts, they are a masterpiece!
That was a great video guys, that kart scoots right along. Tell Charles to take care of his back, I made a stupid mistake at a young age and am still paying for it @ 79 yrs. old.
"I rent the track, I wanna drive the whole thing"😂 love the racing content fellas!
A video on suspension set up would be cool to see on this and how it could be applied to other carts!
Looks like you guys were having a blast! It's amazing how tired and sore your arms get. Great video as always. Thanks guys!
I'm glad to see you guys making the jump to asphalt!
I believe Hailee Deegan, Nascar Truck driver, runs at that same track, thought it looked real familiar. good job guys!
if im not mistaken, i think you can adjust the castor on the kart by rotating the top spindle mount, which will adjust the amount of frame flex and add/subtract rear wheel grip from doing so. so if you have less castor, the frame will flex less, meaning more weight stays on the inside rear tire giving more grip, or maybe less? i have never driven one, let alone adjusted one, but its something to play around with on it.
I think the 20hp brigs would work well on this!
Oh my gosh! When Ike said "Dang it, Bobby," I lost it. I already hear Hank Hill any time that Ike speaks. But for him to say that...
Marine Tough - will help prevent rust. Stuff works.
ive seen that racing cart in the shed for the last few videos was wondering what it was, now we know looks awesome
Yes, racing content for sure!
Looks Fun!!!
Last time i was on a REAL Racing kart was like 20 years ago and it still had a Briggs raptor engine.
So happy for you guys!!!
I'm sure in no time you will have a track to call yours!!!
With all the track karts the guys have been building, I'd like to see them make an electric one. I got to race an electric before, and the acceleration is amazing.
Hell yeah! GO RACING!!! Team Cars and Cameras for the WIN!!!
Y'all were about 1hour from me in Bessemer City N.C. That thing is awesome 👌
I miss kart racing. 😪
Charles will have the best time... I'll have to wait and see 😂
It DO look Sweet!!!!
Industry has come a long way from my Rupp Dart Cart that i srarted with. 580 West Bend the switching to McCulloch Mac 10 -20" and eventually 3 Mack 30's 😂😂Fad flew Jimmy and Mickey Rupp around on occasion 👍what a childhood memory of those days raced from 5 yrs old till 14 yrs old then school and girls ki nda took preference ride on Dudes I'll live vicariously thru your antics😁👍✌
John you are a beast on the track no matter what you are on
That kart is great i have a 6 wheeled one rn fixing it up need 2 wheels then its done
I'm a mile down the road from the GoPro race track in Mooresville, . Have had many a fun day there. Would have love to come watch!
Awesome. Would love to see you guys racing that thing.
That would be great to get to watch you all go racing
Use a small piece of emory cloth and a small amount of 2 stroke oil to help ease putting fuel lines onto carbs or tanks
That shadow of izek looked cool.
Man that thing looks fun! In my town a guy built a brand new kart track and died right before it opened and it just sits there now, never used.....