Not sure if you ever mentioned, but the reason the charaters backs are so detailed Its because when you are playing the game 90% of the time you are looking at the charater from behind
@@squiiji3Di mean this is game has an gambling mechanic? more details for some people to look at?? when you waste almost hundreads of money to pull, so some characters depends on the design might have more details on the back
NAHIDA IS NOT SEXUALIZED‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ That is not a skirt, she’s wearing shorts under her gown/shirt, children wearing shorts is NOT inherently sexual, and she looks like a child bc she’s the youngest of the gods, and she was robbed of her chance to “grow up” and develop bc for plot reasons she was locked away. The ONLY people sexualizing her are the weird mfs that no one likes and they should NOT be given any credence when it comes to Nahida🕺 Hearing your first take of Nahida being “stereotypical sexualized loli” genuinely hurts when she’s actually one of the most tragic and genuinely loved characters in the game😭😭😭
There is an issue there… Hoyoverse isn’t a dumb company. They knew EXACTLY what would happen if they made her design the way they did and so to aid with that they gave her a splash art that makes her legs look even longer?! Remember, just because the weirdness is justified in lore doesn’t make it any less weird (e.g Navia’s design being so cluttered while explained in lore doesn’t make it less cluttered) Genshin knows their fanbase, they are aware in general of how their fanbase would react to certain designs and so when designing another child character they knew how the weird (and that’s being generous) parts would react. Is it Nahida’s fault? No. Is it explained in lore? Yes. Does that make it less weird of justified? No! The way they designed Nahida is done so that she can make money off the weird creeps in the fandom. And either way check her model and you’ll notice that is WAYYY to short for any kid to wear without some sort of protective service being called, hence why most places have a below the knee type rule
@@r-ryan6549 just because creeps exist does not mean her design is bad. There is literally nothing wrong with her, her design is not inherently sexual, she looks like a kid wearing kids clothes. Creeps will sexualize everything anyway and I think her design is appropriate and in good taste. That being said ofc hoyo doesn't mind extra money from creeps but I still think they keep their designs appropriate and it's creeps fault for being creeps not hoyo for designing a kid character
@@sovyenn I would wholeheartedly love to believe this but everything points to hoyo intentionally sexualizing their female and underage characters. For one the only children in the game are girls, and you can't argue that it's bcs of the 3d models because the child models are fairly androgynous and if hoyo needed to make a new model for nb or male kids they'd easily get it done like they introduced new models for neuvi and wrio. Secondly, nearly all of the children characters have their legs uncovered, think of klee, qiqi, yaoyao and diona. And yeah, legs aren't inherently sexual, but you have to look at the context. Look at all the male characters, none of them have pants that stop at the higher thigh (except venti and xingqiu), meanwhile its a common pattern for women and kids to have them, why? You could argue its because children are carefree, but qiqi is a literal zombie with a calm demeanor, and Nahida is a god of wisdom who has been trapped all her life! Hoyo is a million dollar company who does things very deliberately according to their target audience, and the audience around anime gacha games is notorious for being creeps with (but not limited to) children. I also suggest looking at older hoyo games like honkai impact 3rd for more explicit occasions where they exhibited these creepy design choices. It's okay to like a game or franchise and still acknowledge it's flaws!
@@lordmcsillies this is a gacha game that needs to sell its characters so ofc hoyo will try to make characters as attractive as possible and our current beauty standards work in a way that women are more attractive in more revealing or tight clothes while man can be fully dressed and still considered attractive. That being said hoyo isn't that bad in their designs and doesn't sexualize their characters too much. Imo it's a reasonable amount of sexualization in a gacha game and tbh everyone wants their gacha characters to be pretty and/or sexy. They literally exist for you to appreciate their beauty and design. As for child models hoyo might be catering to creeps I guess but those designs still aren't inherently sexual and wrong just because those creeps exist. Most people find those characters appealing because they are cute and tbh can we even tell if they make more money on those characters from creeps than from people who just like those cute designs?
As someone who’s been playing for a long time, I have to be aware of my biases and knowledge of lore, and this really made me aware of it 😭 as a player, I love the details and hidden things like how the top of Navia’s corset has little rose designs. But as an artist… also, I will defend Navia’s design choices so hard, I love her design so so much.
Yeah me too... It is hella detailed but not chaotic. Not the typical and rather timid cohesiveness most people prefer. But that is why I love is so SO much. This "avantgarde" and bold look makes it look just so alive and completely unique. This "all over the place" point of many from a conservative art perspective is what makes me loves the designs just so much❤
This. She's the first character where I went "I DON'T CARE HOW SHE IS OR WHAT SHE DOES IN-GAME, I ABSOLUTELY NEED HER NO MATTER WHAT!!" based purely on the design. So much the better that I love her personality, story and the VA's performance too.
A bit of a rant and i know I'm very biased but.. I get where this is coming from but as a whole gacha game design is a WHOLE different ball game made to be overly detailed on purpose, you will be staring at these characters for HOURS so all the little details are such eye candy. Another thing with the detail is that its purposely so intricate that your eye is drawn to the face because of the lack of detail there. I feel like youre stuck in this mind set of what good character design HAS to be, especially when we consider genshin is THE gacha game, if there's one thing i know about genshinits that EVERYTHING is purposeful and there for a reason. The last thing ifeel like you purposely choose the characters that fit your narrative of genshins "bad" design when there are so many characters that fit your idea of a good design (wriothesley, Charlotte, lyney, Lynette, freminet, sigewinne, nilou, yunjin, kokomi, hu tao, Barbara, jean, razor, noelle, and my king venti, to name a lot) + many more Sorry for the text wall and possible negative tone I just had to get that out
you're missing a lot of context. the in-game models were designed for movement so it doesn't really makes sense to judge them while standing still, that's why all genshin designs have flowy elements! characters are overly detailed because they're supposed to look pretty so that players spend money on them lol. no need for simplification since it's a 3D game i love your vtuber btw she's really cute!
I absolutely adore Furina’s design with my life, it’s like eye candy to me, so it would be interesting what you think of her design in your next stream possibly!
One the serious issue that this critique has is that it misses a lot by commenting on these characters personality, background and role in the story without some solid reliable information about them and the world they live in. I was really annoyed when an detail was questioned, and criticized as meaningless by someone who doesn't know or care about said details and their origins. On top of that chat gave so much false information and missed out on giving relevant detail, some examples being that: there's literally only a single aristocratic character (who's not even part of the aristocracy anymore), Zhongli's actual profession is as a consultant at a funeral parlor, Neuvillette isn't actually supposed to be an old man, Navia's actually the daughter of the previous mafia boss /community leader which is why she has the rich, pampered, "Ojou-sama" vibe, etc... I agree with some of the points made especially about the amount of the detail - even though I don't agree that less is necessarily better - but I genuinely think you've made these characters worse with the fixes, it didn't help that the way that you talked about their design was so demeaning and condescending. also, why the negativity about sexuality and attraction, it's one thing to not want these things on your stream but to behave as if acknowledging that was a sin is weird as hell.
@@Renan.m EXACTLY. why in the hell is she putting ‘modesty’ over design?? i get it shes youthish but both of her nahida redesigned shorts look straight up ugly and limiting. shes like a grass fairy floating about ingame!! the double decker shorts would restrict her mobility coming off moreso a rectangular skirt than kiddie shorts. and don’t get me started on the “ohhh look it’s the anime young girl oh shes 5000 sterotype” utter nonsense. she got me pissed the fuck off for a moment right there. there is SO much to explore in themes of age youth wisdom and mannerisms because of the contrast. think of friren, that one batman villan dolly?? duality in young behaviors vs old mindsets, relatability for some young people who grew up too fast or feel more mature than they should be, relatability for old grannys who are still young at heart. it’s a nice theme when done right. nahida is more than sexualized, she is more than “oh shes 1000 yrs!!” in the story. “oh i think people don’t know what sexualization is” gtfo. would you prefer her to wear a skirt that length instead?? hell na. and tbh sexualization when done wrong is dismissing any character their..character in favor of making them continuously give a panty shot to the viewer or whatever. (even then in some situations it’s not inherently wrong as long as it isn’t unwelcomed??) sexualization when done right is panty and stocking ect. like has she even laid eyes on SOME of the blue archive fandom?? or even sat through the anime she’s referencing about? genshin is tame in comparison. +just because a character has skin doesn’t make it sexual!!!!! a character could be butt booty naked and still not be sexualized. like the princesses final form in slay the princess. and about the whole navia segment. “oh this isn’t doing anything forher” YOU DONTKNOW JACKSHIIAAAAHHH shes part of the literal mafia. that’s navias duality shes the damsel frilly blond french yellowblue= happy dressed gal yet also mafia thus the explosions and gunfire by a purely simplified definition of her character motif ofc she is more than this in story. she has a bright colors to contrast the guns to further embrace it. character design is MORE than their outfits!! it may not make sense from an outsiders pov! okay so let me bring up the girl in death palette. in all paintings she only has one red eye and wears the same thing for each painting. in later days the player figures out why and everything slides into place and you may find her design more intricate and charming than previously before. same could happen with most character designs or characters in general. figuring out their backstory which leads to a newfound understanding of why they are the way they are. just as newfound understanding of a character, their place in the story, how they fit in and backstory even may make a lot of designs all the more charming and intricate. condolences for the yappatron just had to share my feelings in the moment
Sumeru designs are a bit hard to analyse and redesign as it's a region mixed of irl different cultures. Tighnari is amazigh. Nilou, Kaveh and Faruzan are Persians. Cyno and Sethos are Egyptians and etc.
2:06:02 about tighnari's design and esp his belt. It's based on an amazigh belt called an agus which is made of multicolored wool. Tho from images of the belt I've seen, the gray braided part of Tighnari's agus belt should probably be changed for a different color.
Ah if it's influenced by a real item then we could for sure alter the design further to keep that influence and make sure it works with the design better (:
@@squiiji3Dyes, if you search up amazigh culture you can see that tigharis general design w the hoodie doesn’t make sense but the lower part w the belt and the fabric draping definitely does aswell as the colourful pallate- that’s the only redeeming thing about his atrocious design
I have watched a few Genshin character design analysis from different artists. And only now do I realize the true meaning of the words "Art is subjective" in spite of all these people having artistic background, their opinions vary greatly between one another. Making it so that deciding "which design is best"(or even "good") is very difficult.
I’m sorry but that’s not how that works. Sure it’s cute but hoyo knew how the weirdos would react and how many weirdos they had already attracted. In truth they should’ve just applied the below the knee rule that places like schools (fitting right) have in place to protect kids from these weirdos. Especially considering Nahida already falls into the child but is secret older than the entire cast trope
I personally don't like Yelan's design, I still don't know how the hell am I supposed to know what Yelan even is without reading her lore, the only thing I know about her is that her bangs are... umm... you know.
I mean, based on my knowledge of her character, that’s kinda the point. She’s sorta like DC’s Catwoman or Marvel’s Black Widow, essentially. She even has voice lines about adopting a variety of identities.
@@sailorenthusiast In that she's not at all like them. She's a secret agent of the Liyuean government who's also a thrillseeker, so she has Ningguang basically pay her in more adventurous missions. She was also basically raised by the state.
@@BNuts I was thinking in more broad strokes, like character archetype and general vibes. Aka, femme fatale, undercover agent, dexterous style of combat, etc. Of course the specific details are gonna change, but they’re still relatively similar vibes wise.
@@sailorenthusiast Yeah I kinda get those vibes now that you say it!!! it's just that even characters that aren't supposed to be femme fatalle look femme fatalle tbh, the oversexualization doesn't help a bit
I have since found this out! Makes me wish the earrings were bigger so I could see their details more clearly, but I'm glad that's actually included in his design (:
When you pointed out Neuv's banding @ 56:06, the second color stripe you pointed at actually turns into a rhombus at the end and it resembles the oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale which is basically a mechanical judge that also decides who's guilty or not and he works with it!! I think its so cool. Sad that I didn't really see anyone mention it tho :/
Ah I didn't know that! There may still be a better way of incorporating it as opposed to removing it or altering it the way I did, thank you for letting me know!
the thing on tighnari’s back is a magnifying glass he got from his parents as a kid! i think it’s kinda broken now but it holds sentimental value for him so he just wears it randomly on his back lmao. i’m like one of the 5 people in the world that likes his design, so i’m happy to see that you also liked him a bit!
Magnifying glass! I never would have guessed from the way it's shaped, huh the more you know. But yes I was immediately drawn to like his design despite any misgivings I had about it, but is he not very popular? That'd be sad
@@squiiji3DHe's actually one of my favorites as well! I think many people might think he's a furry or something and that's why don't like him that much. Also, there was an... incident with his voice actor shortly after he was released so that might have turned his popularity down. However, that was two years ago so I don't think it matters anymore.
I love what you did with Nahida's design, layering the pants because it kind of resembles some fungi! There are lots of fungus - like critters in the region she's from. Some other character's I'd recommend looking at(since other people are suggesting as well): Charlotte, Chevreuse, and Venti. I think Venti's one of the better designs tbh, it's lighter on the unnecessary details
isnt she the only of her “species.” though? considering shes a branch from the tree of irminsul? shes could technically be as old as the tree of irminsul itself. however yeah her design doesnt really convey that considering she looks 8… its the 500 year old vampire thing all over again…
I think the child design is to make the "wisdom" thing with a lot more childlike wonder, emphasizing the learning part of it. She is like a sprout of a tree, also. I don't think that the fact that she is a child is a bad thing, though the specific design can definitely be changed.
I wish someone had mentioned characters have a thing called constellations! Genshin bases a lot of their character theming surrounding their cons, which are often some kind of symbol or animal from the cultures the characters are referencing! It is easy to miss tho when looking at characters if you have no previous knowledge on some things the designers take into consideration! The one in here that rlly comes to mind is kaveh! His constellation is a bird of paradise, which is where he gets his pallette and the cape design from! And coming from a persian, here are some design motifs on kaveh that references his inspirations. Hes heavily inspired by kaveh the blacksmith, one of most important mythological figures. I wont get too much into kavehs personality bc your focus is mainly design, but many of the symbolisms on him reflect either himself or his inspirations! His necklace/shoulder clasp references both the shahbaz which references cyrus the great, king of the achaemenid empire which brought new infrastructure and encouraged newer complex architecture. His cape mantle references the Farvahar, which is a zoroastrian symbol of an individuals spirit. As for wish of kaveh having more symbolisms of his own works, the outfit was actually given to him by someone who though the outfit needed a person to be able to reflect it's creativity, so maybe thats why they didn't go with his buildings too much, but some of the outfit components still fit some of the architecture of sumeru.. just not his own designs unfortunately lol! I enjoyed listening to your critiques though! I definitely think many designs come off as too cluttered but i also think some of the "cluttered" designs are just reflecting a characters cultural inspirations. Ik genshins a fantasy game but theyre already bad enough with cherry picking and mixing cultural wear and themes for inspiration with no respect sometimes, so its nice at least some of the patterns and layering is correct :') I am not imazighen, and not as familiar with north african fashion so i will not say too much there. But i will say i do have friends there who were happy with some of the references in tighnari's design and ik enough to say the colors and ornaments can be very important depending on the tribe association, so that is something to keep in mind! Ik you had the western cartoon bias disclaimer but it is a tad frustrating to see western views just gloss over things that are important mena peoples. Clarifying i dont think any of your thoughts were made with ill intent! You were just going off personal experiences and knowledge, my only word of advice though is maybe be careful when dismissing patterns/accessories as quickly!
I heavily recomend checking out designs of the fatui harbingers. Those folks are the most standing out characters from every single one that hoyo has to offer
Yes!!! My fav is Definitely arlecchino. I believe her design fits her character very well and you can definitely tell she’s a powerful foreboding villainous woman. Peek character design in my opinion
Just my own comments about the designs as someone well-versed in Genshin stuff (been playing since Ver 1.3 but haven't started the current patch yet) Zhongli: - Considering his true persona, I think he kinda gets a pass to have a really ornate design lol. Though for his civilian occupation it is a bit too detailed, like the pauldrons/epaulettes only tell us he's a martial figure but are unrelated to the nature of his work (then again every playable character in Genshin IS a fighter in one way or another lol). It's a vibe though - His ponytail being somewhat obscured is kind of genius, for the same reason as above. It sort of hides his "nobility" and makes him look a lot more humble and unassuming imo. Though the way you drew it looks more dynamic and cool! - The coat spreading out at the bottom combined with the overall squarey shape language makes him seem more grounded (heh) and stable, which is def intentional Neuvillette (funny you put them back to back lol) - Your cold read is actually pretty close! - He has two blue strands of hair that aren't as visible from the front, since they stream out from the back. I think those are meant to evoke the image of draconic horns or whiskers - Someone said he's an "otter dragon", and that's half-true lol. He's the human reincarnation of an ancient water-elemental dragon lord (think biblical Leviathan). The otter thing is kind of a cute in-joke where the Leisurely Otter mobs just happen to resemble him a lot (probably deliberate lmao), down to the color palettes and the lighter blue streaks lol - I think I prefer the fishy looking coattails of the original a liiittle more since it alludes to his origins (also feels more flowy and serene ish) but I totally get why you wanted to square them like Zhongli's! Navia: - You'll see this a lot among the characters but they kind of need to have at least a split down the back of their clothing/hair to help them move and pose more freely (and probably so you can see more of the back since you're looking at it most of the time). It's also why Navia's skirt feels "short" instead of long and poofy ig - Chiori being the in-universe fashion designer for some Fontainian characters' clothing does not excuse their flaws XD Though I guess as a character, Chiori is sort of supposed to be the avant-garde type - The darker blonde color + the more vibrant sapphire blue for her eyes looks SO GOODD Tighnari: - If I'm not mistaken this is the only(?) character in the game designed by a guest artist (i.e. outside of Mihoyo's in-house artists)? In this case, Pako/Pakosun. Hope he gets the opportunity to design more Vtubers :') (Sana my oshi...) - I actually hated the design when I first saw it lol, there were too many clashing colors. The consensus in the community is that the outfit is inspired by Amazigh clothing and I can def see it, it makes me appreciate the many colors a whole lot more. I still think they should be a bit more limited personally Nahida: - radish child - I have tried drawing her before, and the only parts I had trouble with were the filigree patterning (ty for fancy art word) on the main beige-ish part of her dress. and maybe her sleeves? Definitely one of the more readable and coherent designs imo - The green ombre on the front of the hair actually kinda works! - THE MELANIN !!! #GENSHINCOULDNEVER !!!! Ok but in all seriousness I think her skin being less bright just makes the contrast so much better, but her green eyes in the sea of ghostly pallor already add a decent focal point ig? (Even Frieren's hair is slightly grey!) But I think the reason why specific characters like Nahida will always have lighter skin is because they're meant to be expies (counterparts) of characters from Mihoyo's older Honkai games esp Impact 3rd, in Nahida's case, Theresa Apocalypse, so they still want to retain some aspects of their identities ig - The emphasis on the color white is definitely intentional, since (spoilers!) in the lore she's the avatar of Irminsul (the world tree), which has white colored bark Kaveh: - It would be nice to see more architectural-style elements in his design yeah - The darker ombre in the hair is nice! Yanfei: - So much leg XD She definitely should have scales down the side of her thighs, at least there's something to look at - I think the cloud designs are xiangyun, or auspicious cloud motifs. Probably alluding to her "adeptus" heritage? The adepti are basically mystical "illuminated beasts" Genshin, and they're meant to be analogous to the concept of Taoist immortals (xian). As you mentioned, in Yanfei's case she's a Xiezhi (this is confirmed by the name of her theme in the OST, "Marching of Xiezhi"), which represents justice. The other playable Adeptus characters I can think of are Ganyu (Qilin), Xiao (Golden-winged Peng) and Xianyun (crane). Zhongli is the leader of the Adepti, but his "beast" traits are only represented by the "Exuvia" and some dragon motifs on his clothes - What's funny about Yanfei's "horns/antlers" is that they actually dangle in the wind (at least in one cutscene)? There is a breakdown of her model, if you take her hair away they aren't even attached to her head... I'm just hoping it's weird rigging, but yeah...
Not just Zhongli's persona; he's wearing an outfit specifically designed for him by somebody who didn't live long enough to see his current career and that was at best briefly modeled during their span. I can see it having sentimental value. Nahida may actually have darker skin than her mythological inspiration ("skin like moonlight" or something like that), but she could certainly change the tone in either direction should she ever want to. I do think there are some interesting things that could be artistically done with all the varying translucencies of white (with optional iridescence?) on and in her clothes, hair and skin interacting with the richly coloured light which ought to be present in a fairy-tale rainforest, and I do also think there's an interesting point embedded there about her design: she seems meant to be the "photographer" even while literally present in the picture of a scene rather than its subject. Her clothes should reflect their backdrop rather than dominate it. As far as I know (and I am hardly a professional artist or expert so this isn't too reliable), the split simplifies baking clothing physics by limiting the portions of the model a force on any part of the cloth could be originating from. It might be a lot less valuable using today's tools than those of a decade ago; uncertain there.
@@DanaOtkenabout nahidas skin- if you’re talking about her drawing from the hindu goddess of knowledge saraswati, id personally disagree about nahida having darker skin than her. while my memory of any stories talking about saraswati having skin like moonlight or not are weak, i definitely do recall some people pointing that out to refer to clothing. im not going to try to look through scripture for that or anything though because that sounds painful and im pretty sure thered be like three different types of scriptures to look through. however, when looking at depictions of saraswati in pictures, she isn’t particularly paler than any other goddess. theres only a few gods with a distinct skin tone (vishnu and shiva, and their various forms) but thats a whole other thing. i feel like the moonlight skin thing has only been brought up in the past to defend nahidas lack of melanin, which i just think is dumb. even if saraswati had skin the color of moonlight, shed still look like an indian person in some way. (people would make their gods look familiar, wouldn’t they?). you can take this all with a grain of salt though, since this is pretty opinionated. i eyedropped nahida and theresas splash art way back during her release, and she did turn out to be paler than theresa, the german lady. so uh. theres that too on a very different note, if you’re thinking about the other inspirations such as the anahitian one or the buddhist grass fairy, i cant say anything about that lol. i haven’t heard the moonlight thing being brought up there though.
Minor correction as a hi3 player: nahida is inspired by a hi3 character and shares a lot of parallels but IS NOT an expy. aside from the base concept, almost nothing lines up between the two characters. Theresa and Nahida are both white haired clones who are physically children and that’s about where the similarities end
@@Eosinophyllis they do share the chinese and japanese vas though, which is a pretty big indicator for most of the expies iirc. also i went to the tv tropes article to double check, and while not classified as expies (but company cross references, but tv tropes doesnt seem to have any hoyo game under expies. i think its that expies are from a separate piece of media, rather than the same company.) similarities listed by tvtropes: twilight paladin hair + verdant sky battlesuit = nahida high position in educational institution clone of someone who died 500 years ago powers related to dreams
@@Eosinophyllis She's not an expy in the true sense of the word but she is still pretty clearly the Genshin universe's version of Theresa. Same VAs, same hair color and side-ponytail, same "older/wiser than they look" thing going on, etc etc. It's not that weird for alternate universe versions of characters in the Mihoyo-verse to be almost nothing alike. Just look at Yae Miko and Yae Sakura, or Bronya Rand and Bronya Zaychik
I think if you ever rated the other games you'd go mad. In HSR, most of the female characters in a region inspired by china havs basically the same dress, even characters not from that region have the dress, however i do think they have slightly better silhouettes. In HI3, all the characters are female, most of the early in game models are... mid at best, very sexualized for a lot of the characters, but I will say they do a semi good job of showing us what type of person they are and what their occupation is/was, and... all of the characters have multiple designs classified as battlesuits cuz Valkyries And then the new game, ZZZ, I think as of now it has some interesting characers, some interesting designs, it doest have anything historical so we don't need a cookie cutter here, clothes are casual but they also have them match with other characters since a lot of them form different groups. I think you might like them a bit, the only thing is the silhouettes. If i were to suggest some from each of the games mentioned, HSR: Jing Yuan, Black Swan, Firefly/Sam, Adventurine, Boothill, Gallagher. HI3: Herrscher of finality, Herrscher of the Void, Herrscher of Thunder, Herrscher of Truth, Aponia, Herrscher of Human : Ego (both forms), Elysia, Fu Hua, Thelema, Songque. ZZZ: Billy the kid, Nicole, Anby, Nekomiya, Lycon, Ben, Miyabi, Aokaku, Soldier 11, Kolida, Anton.
Listen you're critiques are completely valid but it feels like you took the Liyue out of my boy Zhongli 😞. The plushie that represents him best though does show a lot of points where he can be simplified though. Every other character is free game though 😌.
oh yeah, the colors in genshin are a bit weird. the element "geo" is neither rock nor earth, "geo" in genshin is more like an orange-ish yellow gem, it's meant to look like Amber or Topaz
For me, Neuvillette's center was not his chest, it were his eyes. His eyes were the first thing that I looked at.The second was his hair and third collar. As a character he changed my whole world, because he has to look cold, intimidating as he upholds the law and have to present that way. I am pretty sure if he could decide he would dress simple, as Neuvillette himself even said his clothing is a predicament, that he steps on it or his hair getting tangled into the decor of the chair. Some think that one part of his clothing are actually fins, as he is a hydro dragon and part of his clothes in his charged attack grew and flow, like his blue appendages on the head. As for the cane, there is a theory he got a long lasting leg injury. His white hair, smart, loving and caring nature with his blue design (+ dragon) got all aspects I love in characters in media and they are him combined which made him the perfect character for me. But that is my opinion, others might love Zhongli or Venti, kauzha....etc. more thats their like in looks and I respect that as long as they respect my favoritsm in his Like others pointed out already: the characters are most of the time complex due Genshin being a Gacha game, you pull for the looks and personality mostly ;)
There's a gacha game that ended service pretty recently called World Flipper and i think its approach to character design is super interesting as they have a lot of the same design sensibilities as genshin but wayyyy more toned down. very interesting to look at if you have time
The funny thing about you thinking that Tighnari was a jackal is that his best friend or close friend is inspired by jackals! Also some cool characters to look at if you are planning to do this again are Cyno, which is the jackal guy and Sethos! It would be interesting since they are kinda opposites but also not at the same time, because they have similarities and differences that are just neat little details because of their story!
Sorry but your changes are boring and taking away the detail makes the design seem less of a passion project and more like "ok we drew the bare minimum let's stop there." Also their element isn't always reflected in their design but in their characteristics.
First video I watched on this channel and I have to recognize the quality of the design. The main avatar and the tools for captions, comments and the reaction of her hand on the drawing. Very beautiful to me
Intricate designs in these models, especially those who hold grand positions or used to hold such as Neuvillette, Zhongli, Venti, etc, have to have intricate designs to show that they are different than regular people. They are divine/powerful being... And.. if the gamer character developers don't even put that much effort into their characters.. why would we as a player even like them in the first place? First impression should be prioritise lmao
razor has one of my favorite designs! it shows his backstory and his personality so well while also being simple. i would love to see what you think about him
U were dead right on tighnari, they blended jackets, foxes and wolfs together for some reason. Cyno (the Anubis based character) is based on Anubis (jackel) but his skill where he transforms into a more jackel-inspired look is called a wolf in the description of his skill.
About neuvilette I agree with the « dorito » comment but what is nice is that in gameplay you stay almost 100% in his charged mod and here he look more like the splash art so it fix the problem in my opinion
@Squiiji that was a peculiar guess for Neuvillette... seeing him as an antagonist was even more surprising ! but... i guess he did a good job todeceive people with his design ! but i tell you that you just stratch the surface of is complex character...
I think characters like Sephiroth and Lucius Malfoy who have similar shape language and traits misled me haha but I have no doubt he's a deep character, I hear a lot of the popular Genshin characters are popular b/c they're also well written
Nahidas design is white because it symbolizes her purity and innocence. She’s the untainted branch of irminsul. I would say she’s not sexualized, if boho really wanted to make a character sexualized, they would. Let’s take raiden as an example. She literally pulls a sword out of her t*ts and if you pay attention, you can see that a lot of the characters stockings are are just thigh high socks. You can also almost see her t*ts and undergarments in her splash art. Also the fact about the silhouette not being good enough is not valid because you see the character from literally every angle in the game. You may think it’s “overdesigned” but the ornate designs of the game is mostly explained in lore. Neuvi is literally what most genshin characters think of as the best designed male character. Zhongli works at a funeral parlor so he has to dress “modestly” to seem more respectful to the costumers. His “fancy” parts are a nod to him being a god. Also he is DEFINITELY not spoiled. The in game models may seem “bad” but the bid thing is that the bad silhouette is actually because those characters have flowy movement. Tighnari is colorful because of the fact he’s a forest ranger and researcher. Nature is not supposed to be “uniform” and perfectly harmonized. His colors clash because he IS deeply in tune with nature. I think you should probably play the game and not just read the wiki because the wiki is hard to understand even for players who have played. Your chat also gave some inaccurate information. I think a majority of the genshin fandom actually doesn’t understand the lore and designs at all. They complain about sumeru skin tones but don’t understand the reason why they don’t have as many dark skinned playable characters lore wise. Many parts of the designs are overlooked and seen as “too much” simply because they don’t understand the small details and ties with the lore. Collei has red attached to her vision because of her idolization of amber. Many people I’ve seen think it’s clashing with her design but don’t understand the reasonings. You should also maybe look at splash art more because it gives a lot more than the drip marketing and in game models. Zhongli drip marketing is so mediocre compared to play art.
I just wanted to say that everything you said is very valid but that raiden pulls her sword out of her t*ts is very wrong she pulls it out of her heart bc it’s the puppet and raiden ei is p,aced her conciseness in the sword you even see an “eyeish” form where the sword comes out however yes the kimono is very sexualised
I personally love almost every single design in genshin, so while I don't really agree on everything you say it was still a fun to watch ^^! I'm really, REALLY curious on what you would say about Wanderer's (or hat guy/Scaramouche/Kabukimono, whatever people want to call him lmao) design! It might honestly be my favorite design in the whole game lol, he also used to have another design before he became playable but sadly there is no official art of it from what I know, only his old designs 3d model I think
I dont think simplifying the characters will do them much good since they're in game models meant to appeal to people so they can spend money,and some designs have lore behind them so a little more research in their lore will help you understand it more.Like zhongli is super poor.
Pretty late to the vod, but one think I´d like to mention depending the visions (elements) is that visions are also given based on the characters experiences and quality. Geo (Earth/Rock) is given to very steady, confident people, who have a strict goal. Electro for outcasts of their volk who needed to find their way. Cryo to people who have ability/ curses that contradicts their personal desirers and so on for other visions. So sometimes colors won´t match the element type. The best example for this would be Yun Jin, a Liyuen character who is an opera singer. Her color pallet very much suggests Electro, but her character Lore makes sense for her to be Geo. Ofc this i only something or mostly something, people with lore knowledge would be able to see, I just thought it would be an interesting fact
Loved it! I would love to see Furina and Nilou rated! Chevreuse might also be interesting... not because she is good but because she is so bad in my eyes. Alhaitham and Kaveh should really be rated together as theyre very much designed with the other in mind and I think that would bring some clarity but also I'm not saying you have to do that. In my opinion it's just very fascinating when characters are designed to match/foil.
I'll note those fellas down for next time, and if I take a look ar Alhaitham I'll have Kaveh on hand so I can see what y'all mean about them being foils
@@squiiji3D It´s in my opinion best seen when you invert the colors of their models using a filter! Though I can see that this strays a bit from just rating their designs. Also I apologize in the case that the connections are weak at best in the eyes of a professional, I ofcourse am not. I also apologize if I'm being too pushy or anything, I normally never comment so I don't really know the "etiquette" around commenting. I'm just very enthousiastic abt the two nerds ,:).
Hello! Casual Genshin Player, cosplayer and artist here, I wanted to say how amazing your content is! I saw this and was immediately intrigued, I cannot tell you how HARD it is to cosplay these characters. I actually am starting to steer away from cosplaying them entirely because it’s just a hassle in general because of how complicated the designs are. It is truly crazy but, I love your content and I think it’s super fun, I wish these characters were more simplistic like you drew them. Anyways that was a lot of yapping, new subscriber, and I can’t wait for more amazing content! ❤ Also the music is absolutely BANGER, where can I find it? :D
I think with Neuvillette’s flowy shape language it’s an argument between square-judge and tapered/drop shaped for water/hydro, but understandable with a lack of context! I hadn’t noticed how Navia’s design has such a problem with focus/contrast until this lmao; hoyo could’ve done so much better :/ Side note with Tighnari I’m pretty sure the cyan-purple-gray braided rope on his waist is something cultural? I’m not particularly knowledgeable or anything but the colors might represent specific things. I do agree the colors do clash, and might’ve done better with slightly less saturation or different placement - it turns into the focus point whenever I look at him. I agree with putting *something* on Yanfei’s legs! As someone who played her when I needed a pyro/fire character, her design always seemed to have too much negative space with the skin. Personally she reads more deer(?)-adepti than dragon or reptile but I like the adepti-allusion on her legs. I would personally love to see you critique Wriothesley, Clorinde, Layla, Candace and Rosaria! Wriothesley & Clorinde had always read as a bit less complicated to me, but I might be desensitized to Genshin/Hoyoverse over complication. I had been doodling Layla when it hit me how odd her hood was, lmao, and I’d love your take on her & Candace’s motifs & themes. Wriothesley & Rosaria also has some subverted expectations w/ color & element, lol. Rosaria does have a skin, though it’s said that it’s just her personalized-modified version of the original, so it’s not all *that* different, ig. Another comment did say to check out the Fatui Harbingers, though we’ve only been introduced to five of the ten/eleven, and only three are playable. Regardless, all the Harbingers are quite interesting, even with the general sort-of uniform/style that comes with all being in the same organization. One of them (Captino) is completely faceless. Anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ （＾∇＾）b
I’ve learnt a lot from this for own oc I have yet to draw 😭😅 i want him to be detailed as as pretty as genshin chars, but I also want him to be perfect and not too much
You know, this video would have been perfectly valid had it been about your personal enjoyiment of the designs. Since it's posed as a normative way of rating character designs I think you're also automatically open for scrutiny. In this case, bold of you to lecture about character designs while using such a bland yet visually loud vtuber model.
Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
Genshin has alot of characters that has great design besides it , furina has so cute and adorable design and i love her so much she one of best character in Genshin and also her story is so beautiful and make u feel the character better
Sorry, I got vetoed by the chat on doing her in this video, I should change the thumbnail! I'm starting with her in the next video because I really liked her design (:
@@squiiji3DOh I see.. Thank you so much ^¬^ I love her design too, and it's one of the reasons why I love her 💖 Hope my comment didn't seem too disappointed, and I could probably watch this video in some free time Looking forward to the next video
So here the explanation for the lore behind the clothing Zhongli: his origin is unkown and he faked his death and retired to work at funeral home He is supposed to be the Geo Archon aka the rock god and the nation he rules (Liyue) is based on china He is very pretentious and wise but also kind. He is like a father figure to some characters in the game and is also supposed to be over 6000 years old. He is also one of the characters that seem unaffected by memory/mind altering in the game lore. He invented Mora aka the money characters use in the game and it's named after his other name Morax A lot of characters are scared of his strength because in the Archon war he was a maniac. Neuvillette: He is the reincarnation of the hydro dragon aka the water dragon. The hydro archon (SPOILER) is no more so he is the highest ranking figure in fontaine (the water nation based on France and the UK). He is obsessed with water and even does water tastings like wine tasting because he is supposed to be the most connected with the hydro element and can tell the difference between water from diffrent nations. His design elements are based on under water creatures in the game and since he is also the dragon the layers are like his scales (my theory). He is absolutely not the antagonist. In fact he is the one (SPOILER) that saves the nation in the end. He is supposed to look harsh and unapproachable but in reality he is a big softie. He invented laws that are "anti racism" in fontaine. He also doesn't like his job as a judge and there are instances in the past where he viewed the judgement as unfair yet still went with it because as a judge he is supposed to uphold the law no matter what. There is a legend in fontaine about the dragon crying being responsible for rain and it always rains before trials. People connect him with zhongli because they are both old with a similar personality but in reality Neuvillete wants to judge Zhongli in court/make him no longer alive ;). There is a recent event where they were both in the same place but Zhongli went out of his way to avoid running into him. Navia: She is also from Fontaine hence the french look. She is the leader of the mafia and their headquarters is a pirate ship. She is an orphan and it's a big part of her personality and insecurities. Her father was murdered during the duel in court. In fontaine you either get judged or duel and her father chose the duel to (SPOILER) keep the details of his trail private to protect her and he was also sick and dying anyway. She in the beginning hated Neuvillete for not protecting her father but after finding out about the whole story forgave him. Her father's trail is one of the trails Neuvillete hated. She is supposed to be an emotional flirt. Her biggest insecurity is not making her parents proud and not being a worthy leader. Tighnari: He is a Bio scholar that is supposed to protect the rain forest in Sumeru (the nation based on MeNa and south Asia). His element is dendro aka plants?? And people who have this element are usually the scholars in the game or the ones that seek knowledge. His ears are supposed to indicate that he belongs to some ancient sumeru tribe. He is the leader of the forest rangers and the Akademya is highly relying on his research and information. Nahida: She is the new recent incarnation of the Archon of wisdom and was (SPOLER) imprisoned since birth and prevented from developing by the Akademya hence the size. She looks like a mushroom because of the fungi in the forest of Sumeru. She is the strongest dendro user. Her fighting style is like programming because she invented the Akasha which is (SPOLER) an ear piece that connected to the brain and had "Google" on it. It makes sense because Sumeru is all about knowledge and learning. It's a big part of the MeNa/South Aisan culture is to be barefoot hence why she is also barefoot. About the coloured crystals (aka visions): Visions are what helps them control the Elements. In Order Element-Nation-Archon-Principal-Colour Anemo: Air-Monstadt(Germany)-Venti-Freedom-Cyan Geo: Rock-Liyue(China)-Zhongli-Contracts-Gold Electro: Thunder/Electricity-Inazuma(Japan)-Ei/Raiden Shogun-Eternity-purple Dendro: Earth/Plants-Sumeru(MeNa/South Aisa)-Nahida-Wisdom-Green Hydro: Water-Fontain(France/Uk)- Neuvillete and Focalors/Furina-Judgement-Blue There is also Pyro (fire-red) and Cryo (ice-white) but the regions aren't out yet. Each Archon has their own principles and they're the ones responsible for giving away the visions. They're not distributed based on the citizens of the nations but based on the wishes the characters make that Archons "relate" to and give them visions based on that. Each nation is supposed to citizens from all elements That's the lore for the game and god I need to touch grass
This video proves that these characters could wear poo emoji outfits and the player base wouldn't care, because the game goes above and beyond developing these character's personalities, so the everyday player, who knows nothing from the world of art, would rate all these characters a 10/10. It is fascinating to get a professional's point of view on these characters, as you pointed out so many things that I never realized after playing with some of these characters for YEARS. I'm glad I saw this video!
ima be honest, im very attached to the designs of genshin but Im surprised how much i actualyl did like the tiered bloomers for nahida, the leaf aesthetic she has actually compliments that design fix/choice
I make stained glass peices and am sometimes working for hours with my cutter and grinder, so I'm really happy to have such long streams to watch back :D
Awesome video! Was super fun to watch back while drawing! You might be interested in seeing the designs of Dislyte (Same company as AFK Journey!) Overall I think most of their designs are spectacular and have a much more interesting and diverse range of characters. Definitely worth checking out even just for fun!
37:52 fun fact: Morax/Zhongli "killed" himself just to have a break and live with people of Liyue. also he's broke, the god who created money doesn't have any of it
I‘m not a Genshin Player so I know non of these characters just like you🤣, but I loved analysation of it all. This is the first vid I saw here and while your Avatar took a aback for a sec😅 It was still interesting to see your art analysis cause I draw too. I‘d love to see more of this type of vid with Zenless Zone Zero Characters or from my fav series Xenoblade.
Tighnari’s design is an absolute disaster to my eye personally. The red is obnoxious, the cyan is obnoxious, the pink is obnoxious. The entire top half of his design is just way too busy. The one long sleeve and one short sleeve is…a choice. Why is he no wearing what looks like an onesie, with a vest and what is UP with the purple glove under his already existing glove? The orange is also terrible under the white. I will forever be a hater of his design. His face is cute and his hair is lovely. His ears honestly distract you a lot from the absolute mess that the rest of him is. I’m in no way an expert- I just really dislike his design ☹️ (it’s mostly the clash in colours) Uhm anywayssss if you’d like to check out more interesting designs, id recommend Kujou Sara, Collei, Chiori and Qiqi :)
I love these characters so much and i crave for drawing them,,z that's why im making a modern AU so i can excuse drawing them in normal chlothes-- you know, whithout getting burned out after every stroke 💀💀
@Squiiji I was wondering if it's possible to get a download for the board you use to critique the characters. I'd love to have it as reference for my own OCs
I- I need to see Bennett roasted. Please. I love him so much, he's got such good lore and personality but the concept execution drives me nuts... Also, there is actually a lore explanation for Tighnari being a fennex despite having dark fur/forest motifs, and it's that funnily enough, Nahida's god of wisdom predecessor actually blessed his race with her dendro powers and thus turned their fur green.
For next time, I'm kinda curious of what you'd say of Xiao or Kazuha. Both are kind of a lot in design, a lot of people calling Kazuha ugly in the past when he was first being shown (Canadian Aether is still a nickname for him, but he's more respected now) but they both have a lot of beauty to their designs too. Also just gonna tag on Razor too, I love the cute wolf-boy, feel they could update him at some point, being kinda small muscled but wielding a claymore. If I were to suggest any female characters, just to make it fair, I'd suggest Captain Beidou, Dori, or Rosaria. Beidou is a respected character that has a relatively simple design compared to some others, but like to hear your thoughts. Then Dori is one of the few child characters that has pants (Sigewinne is also covering her legs, but Dori is less liked probably.) Then Rosaria, she's a sister of the church like Barbara. Just a normal, everyday, sister. Nothing weird here to question.
Of course the silhouette isn't good from the front because most of the time you are looking at the characters from the back and their Silhouettes from the back are better that's why they usually have long hair or a scarf that makes them look good from the back as they move around . Btw i could be wrong and talking nonsense so please call me an idiot if that is so
Also i feel in a single player open world game the Silhouette isn't that important this might be a bad take and i understand i am very stupid but i will still make this take but the silhouette in my opinion is most important in multiplayer FPS games like for example TF2 where recognizing a character in a glance is important to know how to counter them but in a single player game i don't feel that it's all too important
The most telling way to explain the issue with the designs is, if you removed fifty to eighty percent of the detail, you could show a fan of game (me) the changed design without the original for reference, and they wouldn't be able to tell you what you changed.
Nahida may have a seemingly outrageous age but in context of the gods she is still considered very young . And also when we are first introduced to her she is the lesser lord she is supposed to look weak and powerless as her people lost their goddess and this was the reincarnated form that they saw as week and unworthy of worship .
I..Kinda dont care to much, i mean i like the tiny details of the characters because i can see everysingle one in game, and has a tradicional artist i realy enjoy puting tiny details, even if no one will notice, it show how much effor and Love i put in my drawings, and i also have some controverse thinking about editing someone else drawing, i mean fanart is good, but editing the exact drawing…..just no…..anyway i get that you have diferent views then i so thats fine :3, anyway this is the first video/stream i see more from you and see your art :3
It is by my will i would like to say that Scaramouche/wanderer has the best design lore-wise, silhouette-wise fannart-wise and bbg-wise. Especially when you learn that 2 of his old designs were based off of female japanese nobility (which makes sense for him) And Scaramouche has the BEST silhouette. Like i can recognise him from a mile away (Yes this is a bias, but his hat.) I may also love his blue design more due to the wanderer aspect and his shoulders but some dude in chat did kinda say his fatui design was better and tbh i agree
omg you painting over the unnecessary details is exactly what I've been wanting to do to genshin designs for a long time x3 just remove unnecessary details and post them online hahah
Don’t listen to the hate Iji!! I think that your tweaks on the character designs are really nice and help them feel a lot less cluttered. I don’t know if it would work as well in a 3d game but purely 2d design speaking, yours are 1000% better lmao Also the people saying that you were rude and too negative just can’t handle any criticism about Genshin. I think you were really respectful about the original designs while still being able to acknowledge their flaws in a fun, light hearted way. Keep up the good work!!
@starchild3189 same character but are different identities so i just did all of them lol. Well, kinda. Wanderer i suppose 'fully' acknowledges all of these identities of his i suppose for the better
Your designs are so cool but i have been plague by the designs to the point where your recolor is making feel like something is missing and i don't like that feeling😭😭😭
I mean to be fair you look at these characters a lot I'd expect them to be extremely detailed. Then again I am also partial to over detailing characters but in this instance I feel it it's not the worst thing. Like I would understand if they were in a comic or in a TV show or in a movie but they're in a video game like I know characters are supposed to have a focal point but like if I'm going to be looking at this character for a while I hope they're over detailed like your designs are better but also I would get bored
I mean obviously there's reasons for what they do like the over detailing and the excessive detailing on the backs of characters because these aren't characters in a comic or a TV show they are video game characters You're going to be looking at them a lot for a while over and over again. And I'm partial to overcomplicated character designs even though I'm well aware that they are not great in most instances even as an artist. I'm also going to be offended if you change anything about Neuvillette because he's my favorite. I am also aware that you know what you're doing lol and also that you are going at it from a purely character design teacher standpoint this sounds like shit that my teacher would tell me
[Timestamps]
0:00 Chat chatting
4:43 Ready, Start, Hello!
6:06 Scene change
8:28 Disclaimers
10:42 Background/Familiarization
12:45 Classroom Rubric
22:48 Shoutouts!
23:30 Zhongli
29:47 Off with the details
40:12 Raided
42:40 Rubric Grade no.1
45:05 Plushie John Lee??
47:16 Neuvillette
55:50 Redraw time
1:02:38 Why is the back detailed too?!
1:03:06 Return to Neuvi
1:08:09 Rubric grade no.2
1:10:04 Plush Noovi??
1:12:12 Navia
1:25:32 End the details (T-T)
1:47:17 Rubric grade no.3
1:48:45 Double raid woohoo!
1:53:39 Tighnari
1:57:08 Double raid again :)
2:00:53 Ladder/silhouette
2:04:18 Edit. Edit. Edit.
2:17:28 Rubric grade no.4
2:18:14 Igi's sanity=gone
2:21:25 Back to grading
2:24:29 Nahida
2:26:16 Save the kids PLS
2:30:00 Good plush actually
2:32:27 Some adjustments
2:45:27 Rubric grade no.5
2:48:26 Options to choose
2:49:47 Kaveh Impact
Omg thank you so much for the time stamps, they're amazingly helpful! 🧡
No problem! Thank you for the amazing stream!
I see Noelle on the thumbnail, didn't she cover her?
@----x----- she was one of the options for chat to choose from, but they ended up picking kaveh and yanfei to critic :)
Not sure if you ever mentioned, but the reason the charaters backs are so detailed Its because when you are playing the game 90% of the time you are looking at the charater from behind
Yep! But they could still use to be simplified a liiiiiittle at least haha
@@squiiji3Di mean this is game has an gambling mechanic? more details for some people to look at?? when you waste almost hundreads of money to pull, so some characters depends on the design might have more details on the back
@@squiiji3D I love all the details. I think things come down to everyones personal preference
@@RavenL1337people don't pull characters because of tiny tiny details 😭 even so it doesn't make it less or more worth it
@@merusotajio2222 the tiny details help a lot more than what you think
Ironically, one of the best character design in game is Venti. The first ever archon. It tells us that he is a bard, and that he is carefree.
It's even more interesting when you contrast Venti with Wendy, whose design his is based on.
Also his Design is based on how German bards used to look like :3
My favorite boy
he’s also the ugliest
I wrote a full essay on the details that I like, but when I sent I lost it all, so yeah.
NAHIDA IS NOT SEXUALIZED‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ That is not a skirt, she’s wearing shorts under her gown/shirt, children wearing shorts is NOT inherently sexual, and she looks like a child bc she’s the youngest of the gods, and she was robbed of her chance to “grow up” and develop bc for plot reasons she was locked away.
The ONLY people sexualizing her are the weird mfs that no one likes and they should NOT be given any credence when it comes to Nahida🕺
Hearing your first take of Nahida being “stereotypical sexualized loli” genuinely hurts when she’s actually one of the most tragic and genuinely loved characters in the game😭😭😭
There is an issue there… Hoyoverse isn’t a dumb company. They knew EXACTLY what would happen if they made her design the way they did and so to aid with that they gave her a splash art that makes her legs look even longer?!
Remember, just because the weirdness is justified in lore doesn’t make it any less weird (e.g Navia’s design being so cluttered while explained in lore doesn’t make it less cluttered)
Genshin knows their fanbase, they are aware in general of how their fanbase would react to certain designs and so when designing another child character they knew how the weird (and that’s being generous) parts would react.
Is it Nahida’s fault? No.
Is it explained in lore? Yes.
Does that make it less weird of justified? No!
The way they designed Nahida is done so that she can make money off the weird creeps in the fandom. And either way check her model and you’ll notice that is WAYYY to short for any kid to wear without some sort of protective service being called, hence why most places have a below the knee type rule
Nahida is My little baby sister
@@r-ryan6549 just because creeps exist does not mean her design is bad. There is literally nothing wrong with her, her design is not inherently sexual, she looks like a kid wearing kids clothes. Creeps will sexualize everything anyway and I think her design is appropriate and in good taste. That being said ofc hoyo doesn't mind extra money from creeps but I still think they keep their designs appropriate and it's creeps fault for being creeps not hoyo for designing a kid character
@@sovyenn I would wholeheartedly love to believe this but everything points to hoyo intentionally sexualizing their female and underage characters. For one the only children in the game are girls, and you can't argue that it's bcs of the 3d models because the child models are fairly androgynous and if hoyo needed to make a new model for nb or male kids they'd easily get it done like they introduced new models for neuvi and wrio. Secondly, nearly all of the children characters have their legs uncovered, think of klee, qiqi, yaoyao and diona. And yeah, legs aren't inherently sexual, but you have to look at the context. Look at all the male characters, none of them have pants that stop at the higher thigh (except venti and xingqiu), meanwhile its a common pattern for women and kids to have them, why? You could argue its because children are carefree, but qiqi is a literal zombie with a calm demeanor, and Nahida is a god of wisdom who has been trapped all her life!
Hoyo is a million dollar company who does things very deliberately according to their target audience, and the audience around anime gacha games is notorious for being creeps with (but not limited to) children. I also suggest looking at older hoyo games like honkai impact 3rd for more explicit occasions where they exhibited these creepy design choices.
It's okay to like a game or franchise and still acknowledge it's flaws!
@@lordmcsillies this is a gacha game that needs to sell its characters so ofc hoyo will try to make characters as attractive as possible and our current beauty standards work in a way that women are more attractive in more revealing or tight clothes while man can be fully dressed and still considered attractive. That being said hoyo isn't that bad in their designs and doesn't sexualize their characters too much. Imo it's a reasonable amount of sexualization in a gacha game and tbh everyone wants their gacha characters to be pretty and/or sexy. They literally exist for you to appreciate their beauty and design. As for child models hoyo might be catering to creeps I guess but those designs still aren't inherently sexual and wrong just because those creeps exist. Most people find those characters appealing because they are cute and tbh can we even tell if they make more money on those characters from creeps than from people who just like those cute designs?
As someone who’s been playing for a long time, I have to be aware of my biases and knowledge of lore, and this really made me aware of it 😭 as a player, I love the details and hidden things like how the top of Navia’s corset has little rose designs. But as an artist… also, I will defend Navia’s design choices so hard, I love her design so so much.
Yeah me too...
It is hella detailed but not chaotic. Not the typical and rather timid cohesiveness most people prefer. But that is why I love is so SO much. This "avantgarde" and bold look makes it look just so alive and completely unique. This "all over the place" point of many from a conservative art perspective is what makes me loves the designs just so much❤
This. She's the first character where I went "I DON'T CARE HOW SHE IS OR WHAT SHE DOES IN-GAME, I ABSOLUTELY NEED HER NO MATTER WHAT!!" based purely on the design. So much the better that I love her personality, story and the VA's performance too.
A bit of a rant and i know I'm very biased but..
I get where this is coming from but as a whole gacha game design is a WHOLE different ball game made to be overly detailed on purpose, you will be staring at these characters for HOURS so all the little details are such eye candy. Another thing with the detail is that its purposely so intricate that your eye is drawn to the face because of the lack of detail there.
I feel like youre stuck in this mind set of what good character design HAS to be, especially when we consider genshin is THE gacha game, if there's one thing i know about genshinits that EVERYTHING is purposeful and there for a reason.
The last thing ifeel like you purposely choose the characters that fit your narrative of genshins "bad" design when there are so many characters that fit your idea of a good design (wriothesley, Charlotte, lyney, Lynette, freminet, sigewinne, nilou, yunjin, kokomi, hu tao, Barbara, jean, razor, noelle, and my king venti, to name a lot) + many more
Sorry for the text wall and possible negative tone I just had to get that out
totally on board with you!
you're missing a lot of context. the in-game models were designed for movement so it doesn't really makes sense to judge them while standing still, that's why all genshin designs have flowy elements!
characters are overly detailed because they're supposed to look pretty so that players spend money on them lol. no need for simplification since it's a 3D game
i love your vtuber btw she's really cute!
like the point is precisely for you to look closer at the characters while playing and notice little details you didn't before
I absolutely adore Furina’s design with my life, it’s like eye candy to me, so it would be interesting what you think of her design in your next stream possibly!
REAL I LOVE FURINA
A bunch of people have suggested her so I'll get her for the next one!
@@squiiji3D LETS GOOOO
Literally the reason I started genshin
Her design's just 🤌
One the serious issue that this critique has is that it misses a lot by commenting on these characters personality, background and role in the story without some solid reliable information about them and the world they live in.
I was really annoyed when an detail was questioned, and criticized as meaningless by someone who doesn't know or care about said details and their origins.
On top of that chat gave so much false information and missed out on giving relevant detail, some examples being that: there's literally only a single aristocratic character (who's not even part of the aristocracy anymore), Zhongli's actual profession is as a consultant at a funeral parlor, Neuvillette isn't actually supposed to be an old man, Navia's actually the daughter of the previous mafia boss /community leader which is why she has the rich, pampered, "Ojou-sama" vibe, etc...
I agree with some of the points made especially about the amount of the detail - even though I don't agree that less is necessarily better - but I genuinely think you've made these characters worse with the fixes, it didn't help that the way that you talked about their design was so demeaning and condescending.
also, why the negativity about sexuality and attraction, it's one thing to not want these things on your stream but to behave as if acknowledging that was a sin is weird as hell.
Also honestly if you think Nahida is sexualized there's something wrong with you.
@@Renan.m EXACTLY. why in the hell is she putting ‘modesty’ over design?? i get it shes youthish but both of her nahida redesigned shorts look straight up ugly and limiting. shes like a grass fairy floating about ingame!! the double decker shorts would restrict her mobility coming off moreso a rectangular skirt than kiddie shorts. and don’t get me started on the “ohhh look it’s the anime young girl oh shes 5000 sterotype” utter nonsense. she got me pissed the fuck off for a moment right there. there is SO much to explore in themes of age youth wisdom and mannerisms because of the contrast. think of friren, that one batman villan dolly?? duality in young behaviors vs old mindsets, relatability for some young people who grew up too fast or feel more mature than they should be, relatability for old grannys who are still young at heart. it’s a nice theme when done right. nahida is more than sexualized, she is more than “oh shes 1000 yrs!!” in the story. “oh i think people don’t know what sexualization is” gtfo. would you prefer her to wear a skirt that length instead?? hell na. and tbh sexualization when done wrong is dismissing any character their..character in favor of making them continuously give a panty shot to the viewer or whatever. (even then in some situations it’s not inherently wrong as long as it isn’t unwelcomed??) sexualization when done right is panty and stocking ect. like has she even laid eyes on SOME of the blue archive fandom?? or even sat through the anime she’s referencing about? genshin is tame in comparison. +just because a character has skin doesn’t make it sexual!!!!! a character could be butt booty naked and still not be sexualized. like the princesses final form in slay the princess. and about the whole navia segment. “oh this isn’t doing anything forher” YOU DONTKNOW JACKSHIIAAAAHHH shes part of the literal mafia. that’s navias duality shes the damsel frilly blond french yellowblue= happy dressed gal yet also mafia thus the explosions and gunfire by a purely simplified definition of her character motif ofc she is more than this in story. she has a bright colors to contrast the guns to further embrace it. character design is MORE than their outfits!! it may not make sense from an outsiders pov! okay so let me bring up the girl in death palette. in all paintings she only has one red eye and wears the same thing for each painting. in later days the player figures out why and everything slides into place and you may find her design more intricate and charming than previously before. same could happen with most character designs or characters in general. figuring out their backstory which leads to a newfound understanding of why they are the way they are. just as newfound understanding of a character, their place in the story, how they fit in and backstory even may make a lot of designs all the more charming and intricate. condolences for the yappatron just had to share my feelings in the moment
@@Renan.m every time i see someone look at a child just existing and cry P-world, i just wonder if it's a self report...
Sumeru designs are a bit hard to analyse and redesign as it's a region mixed of irl different cultures.
Tighnari is amazigh. Nilou, Kaveh and Faruzan are Persians. Cyno and Sethos are Egyptians and etc.
Faruzan isn’t Persian though? 😭
@@Light.Of.Kshahrewar2.0 She has a persian name just like Kaveh and Nilou do so yes, she's most likely Persian
@@baianofseahorse really? How is it pronounced in Persian because I’ve never heard of it before. Is it shortened like nilou?
@@Light.Of.Kshahrewar2.0 Afaik her name is a fusion of the names Foruzan and Farzan, having as a result Faruzan
2:06:02 about tighnari's design and esp his belt. It's based on an amazigh belt called an agus which is made of multicolored wool. Tho from images of the belt I've seen, the gray braided part of Tighnari's agus belt should probably be changed for a different color.
Ah if it's influenced by a real item then we could for sure alter the design further to keep that influence and make sure it works with the design better (:
@@squiiji3Dyes, if you search up amazigh culture you can see that tigharis general design w the hoodie doesn’t make sense but the lower part w the belt and the fabric draping definitely does aswell as the colourful pallate- that’s the only redeeming thing about his atrocious design
if squiiji knew that it would turn out differently, maybe altering other things from his design so it could fit more with the belt
I have watched a few Genshin character design analysis from different artists. And only now do I realize the true meaning of the words "Art is subjective" in spite of all these people having artistic background, their opinions vary greatly between one another. Making it so that deciding "which design is best"(or even "good") is very difficult.
Squaring off all of neuvilettes robe was a crime against who he is meant to be lol.
Neuvilettes Folds are fins though, the man is a water dragon first and judge only for the time being, squaring that... why ;/
Nahida isn’t sexualized- only obviously the real weirdos do that. She’s designed to be cute.😃
I’m sorry but that’s not how that works. Sure it’s cute but hoyo knew how the weirdos would react and how many weirdos they had already attracted. In truth they should’ve just applied the below the knee rule that places like schools (fitting right) have in place to protect kids from these weirdos. Especially considering Nahida already falls into the child but is secret older than the entire cast trope
@@r-ryan6549 so yall just want all the children and small characters to have long pants?? No other style of fashion?
@@scarscarscarwuDon’t be disingenuous. Nobody is wanting that, but have you ever asked WHY NONE of the children are wearing long pants?
I personally don't like Yelan's design, I still don't know how the hell am I supposed to know what Yelan even is without reading her lore, the only thing I know about her is that her bangs are... umm... you know.
Her bangs? Someone'll have to fill me in if I cover her haha
I mean, based on my knowledge of her character, that’s kinda the point. She’s sorta like DC’s Catwoman or Marvel’s Black Widow, essentially. She even has voice lines about adopting a variety of identities.
@@sailorenthusiast In that she's not at all like them. She's a secret agent of the Liyuean government who's also a thrillseeker, so she has Ningguang basically pay her in more adventurous missions. She was also basically raised by the state.
@@BNuts I was thinking in more broad strokes, like character archetype and general vibes. Aka, femme fatale, undercover agent, dexterous style of combat, etc. Of course the specific details are gonna change, but they’re still relatively similar vibes wise.
@@sailorenthusiast Yeah I kinda get those vibes now that you say it!!! it's just that even characters that aren't supposed to be femme fatalle look femme fatalle tbh, the oversexualization doesn't help a bit
idk why but this design critic irked me all the wrong way. that i cant finish watching the entire vid.
Ur chat was wrong about Kaveh, his earrings and markings are similar to the ruins in the areas
I have since found this out! Makes me wish the earrings were bigger so I could see their details more clearly, but I'm glad that's actually included in his design (:
When you pointed out Neuv's banding @ 56:06, the second color stripe you pointed at actually turns into a rhombus at the end and it resembles the oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale which is basically a mechanical judge that also decides who's guilty or not and he works with it!! I think its so cool. Sad that I didn't really see anyone mention it tho :/
Ah I didn't know that! There may still be a better way of incorporating it as opposed to removing it or altering it the way I did, thank you for letting me know!
the thing on tighnari’s back is a magnifying glass he got from his parents as a kid! i think it’s kinda broken now but it holds sentimental value for him so he just wears it randomly on his back lmao.
i’m like one of the 5 people in the world that likes his design, so i’m happy to see that you also liked him a bit!
Magnifying glass! I never would have guessed from the way it's shaped, huh the more you know. But yes I was immediately drawn to like his design despite any misgivings I had about it, but is he not very popular? That'd be sad
@@squiiji3DHe's actually one of my favorites as well! I think many people might think he's a furry or something and that's why don't like him that much. Also, there was an... incident with his voice actor shortly after he was released so that might have turned his popularity down. However, that was two years ago so I don't think it matters anymore.
I love what you did with Nahida's design, layering the pants because it kind of resembles some fungi! There are lots of fungus - like critters in the region she's from.
Some other character's I'd recommend looking at(since other people are suggesting as well): Charlotte, Chevreuse, and Venti. I think Venti's one of the better designs tbh, it's lighter on the unnecessary details
That's so great that I, the fungus, accidentally referenced other fungi!! Venti is in the next round for sure, I'll look into the other two
one thing about Nahida, is that, even if she is five hundred years old by our age counting, for her species, shes a child at maximum ten years.
isnt she the only of her “species.” though? considering shes a branch from the tree of irminsul? shes could technically be as old as the tree of irminsul itself. however yeah her design doesnt really convey that considering she looks 8… its the 500 year old vampire thing all over again…
Bold of you to assume archons can be classified by human standards of aging. She’s a branch of a tree, not a child.
I think the child design is to make the "wisdom" thing with a lot more childlike wonder, emphasizing the learning part of it. She is like a sprout of a tree, also. I don't think that the fact that she is a child is a bad thing, though the specific design can definitely be changed.
She’s the only one of her species. And if you’re counting her as the “archon species” then she’s the same age as Focalors and probably Mavuika
It would be nice to see Furina, Focalors and Hu Tao.
Noted 👍🏻
*Sobs in Furina stan who totally agrees*
I wish someone had mentioned characters have a thing called constellations! Genshin bases a lot of their character theming surrounding their cons, which are often some kind of symbol or animal from the cultures the characters are referencing! It is easy to miss tho when looking at characters if you have no previous knowledge on some things the designers take into consideration! The one in here that rlly comes to mind is kaveh! His constellation is a bird of paradise, which is where he gets his pallette and the cape design from!
And coming from a persian, here are some design motifs on kaveh that references his inspirations. Hes heavily inspired by kaveh the blacksmith, one of most important mythological figures. I wont get too much into kavehs personality bc your focus is mainly design, but many of the symbolisms on him reflect either himself or his inspirations! His necklace/shoulder clasp references both the shahbaz which references cyrus the great, king of the achaemenid empire which brought new infrastructure and encouraged newer complex architecture. His cape mantle references the Farvahar, which is a zoroastrian symbol of an individuals spirit.
As for wish of kaveh having more symbolisms of his own works, the outfit was actually given to him by someone who though the outfit needed a person to be able to reflect it's creativity, so maybe thats why they didn't go with his buildings too much, but some of the outfit components still fit some of the architecture of sumeru.. just not his own designs unfortunately lol!
I enjoyed listening to your critiques though! I definitely think many designs come off as too cluttered but i also think some of the "cluttered" designs are just reflecting a characters cultural inspirations. Ik genshins a fantasy game but theyre already bad enough with cherry picking and mixing cultural wear and themes for inspiration with no respect sometimes, so its nice at least some of the patterns and layering is correct :')
I am not imazighen, and not as familiar with north african fashion so i will not say too much there. But i will say i do have friends there who were happy with some of the references in tighnari's design and ik enough to say the colors and ornaments can be very important depending on the tribe association, so that is something to keep in mind! Ik you had the western cartoon bias disclaimer but it is a tad frustrating to see western views just gloss over things that are important mena peoples.
Clarifying i dont think any of your thoughts were made with ill intent! You were just going off personal experiences and knowledge, my only word of advice though is maybe be careful when dismissing patterns/accessories as quickly!
Fellow persian here! Glad to see someone mention this!
I heavily recomend checking out designs of the fatui harbingers. Those folks are the most standing out characters from every single one that hoyo has to offer
I'm writing that down, I'll take a look!
Yes!!! My fav is Definitely arlecchino. I believe her design fits her character very well and you can definitely tell she’s a powerful foreboding villainous woman. Peek character design in my opinion
Just my own comments about the designs as someone well-versed in Genshin stuff (been playing since Ver 1.3 but haven't started the current patch yet)
Zhongli:
- Considering his true persona, I think he kinda gets a pass to have a really ornate design lol. Though for his civilian occupation it is a bit too detailed, like the pauldrons/epaulettes only tell us he's a martial figure but are unrelated to the nature of his work (then again every playable character in Genshin IS a fighter in one way or another lol). It's a vibe though
- His ponytail being somewhat obscured is kind of genius, for the same reason as above. It sort of hides his "nobility" and makes him look a lot more humble and unassuming imo. Though the way you drew it looks more dynamic and cool!
- The coat spreading out at the bottom combined with the overall squarey shape language makes him seem more grounded (heh) and stable, which is def intentional
Neuvillette (funny you put them back to back lol)
- Your cold read is actually pretty close!
- He has two blue strands of hair that aren't as visible from the front, since they stream out from the back. I think those are meant to evoke the image of draconic horns or whiskers
- Someone said he's an "otter dragon", and that's half-true lol. He's the human reincarnation of an ancient water-elemental dragon lord (think biblical Leviathan). The otter thing is kind of a cute in-joke where the Leisurely Otter mobs just happen to resemble him a lot (probably deliberate lmao), down to the color palettes and the lighter blue streaks lol
- I think I prefer the fishy looking coattails of the original a liiittle more since it alludes to his origins (also feels more flowy and serene ish) but I totally get why you wanted to square them like Zhongli's!
Navia:
- You'll see this a lot among the characters but they kind of need to have at least a split down the back of their clothing/hair to help them move and pose more freely (and probably so you can see more of the back since you're looking at it most of the time). It's also why Navia's skirt feels "short" instead of long and poofy ig
- Chiori being the in-universe fashion designer for some Fontainian characters' clothing does not excuse their flaws XD Though I guess as a character, Chiori is sort of supposed to be the avant-garde type
- The darker blonde color + the more vibrant sapphire blue for her eyes looks SO GOODD
Tighnari:
- If I'm not mistaken this is the only(?) character in the game designed by a guest artist (i.e. outside of Mihoyo's in-house artists)? In this case, Pako/Pakosun. Hope he gets the opportunity to design more Vtubers :') (Sana my oshi...)
- I actually hated the design when I first saw it lol, there were too many clashing colors. The consensus in the community is that the outfit is inspired by Amazigh clothing and I can def see it, it makes me appreciate the many colors a whole lot more. I still think they should be a bit more limited personally
Nahida:
- radish child
- I have tried drawing her before, and the only parts I had trouble with were the filigree patterning (ty for fancy art word) on the main beige-ish part of her dress. and maybe her sleeves? Definitely one of the more readable and coherent designs imo
- The green ombre on the front of the hair actually kinda works!
- THE MELANIN !!! #GENSHINCOULDNEVER !!!! Ok but in all seriousness I think her skin being less bright just makes the contrast so much better, but her green eyes in the sea of ghostly pallor already add a decent focal point ig? (Even Frieren's hair is slightly grey!) But I think the reason why specific characters like Nahida will always have lighter skin is because they're meant to be expies (counterparts) of characters from Mihoyo's older Honkai games esp Impact 3rd, in Nahida's case, Theresa Apocalypse, so they still want to retain some aspects of their identities ig
- The emphasis on the color white is definitely intentional, since (spoilers!) in the lore she's the avatar of Irminsul (the world tree), which has white colored bark
Kaveh:
- It would be nice to see more architectural-style elements in his design yeah
- The darker ombre in the hair is nice!
Yanfei:
- So much leg XD She definitely should have scales down the side of her thighs, at least there's something to look at
- I think the cloud designs are xiangyun, or auspicious cloud motifs. Probably alluding to her "adeptus" heritage? The adepti are basically mystical "illuminated beasts" Genshin, and they're meant to be analogous to the concept of Taoist immortals (xian). As you mentioned, in Yanfei's case she's a Xiezhi (this is confirmed by the name of her theme in the OST, "Marching of Xiezhi"), which represents justice. The other playable Adeptus characters I can think of are Ganyu (Qilin), Xiao (Golden-winged Peng) and Xianyun (crane). Zhongli is the leader of the Adepti, but his "beast" traits are only represented by the "Exuvia" and some dragon motifs on his clothes
- What's funny about Yanfei's "horns/antlers" is that they actually dangle in the wind (at least in one cutscene)? There is a breakdown of her model, if you take her hair away they aren't even attached to her head... I'm just hoping it's weird rigging, but yeah...
Not just Zhongli's persona; he's wearing an outfit specifically designed for him by somebody who didn't live long enough to see his current career and that was at best briefly modeled during their span. I can see it having sentimental value.
Nahida may actually have darker skin than her mythological inspiration ("skin like moonlight" or something like that), but she could certainly change the tone in either direction should she ever want to. I do think there are some interesting things that could be artistically done with all the varying translucencies of white (with optional iridescence?) on and in her clothes, hair and skin interacting with the richly coloured light which ought to be present in a fairy-tale rainforest, and I do also think there's an interesting point embedded there about her design: she seems meant to be the "photographer" even while literally present in the picture of a scene rather than its subject. Her clothes should reflect their backdrop rather than dominate it.
As far as I know (and I am hardly a professional artist or expert so this isn't too reliable), the split simplifies baking clothing physics by limiting the portions of the model a force on any part of the cloth could be originating from. It might be a lot less valuable using today's tools than those of a decade ago; uncertain there.
@@DanaOtkenabout nahidas skin- if you’re talking about her drawing from the hindu goddess of knowledge saraswati, id personally disagree about nahida having darker skin than her. while my memory of any stories talking about saraswati having skin like moonlight or not are weak, i definitely do recall some people pointing that out to refer to clothing. im not going to try to look through scripture for that or anything though because that sounds painful and im pretty sure thered be like three different types of scriptures to look through.
however, when looking at depictions of saraswati in pictures, she isn’t particularly paler than any other goddess. theres only a few gods with a distinct skin tone (vishnu and shiva, and their various forms) but thats a whole other thing. i feel like the moonlight skin thing has only been brought up in the past to defend nahidas lack of melanin, which i just think is dumb. even if saraswati had skin the color of moonlight, shed still look like an indian person in some way. (people would make their gods look familiar, wouldn’t they?).
you can take this all with a grain of salt though, since this is pretty opinionated.
i eyedropped nahida and theresas splash art way back during her release, and she did turn out to be paler than theresa, the german lady. so uh. theres that too
on a very different note, if you’re thinking about the other inspirations such as the anahitian one or the buddhist grass fairy, i cant say anything about that lol. i haven’t heard the moonlight thing being brought up there though.
Minor correction as a hi3 player: nahida is inspired by a hi3 character and shares a lot of parallels but IS NOT an expy. aside from the base concept, almost nothing lines up between the two characters. Theresa and Nahida are both white haired clones who are physically children and that’s about where the similarities end
@@Eosinophyllis they do share the chinese and japanese vas though, which is a pretty big indicator for most of the expies iirc. also i went to the tv tropes article to double check, and while not classified as expies (but company cross references, but tv tropes doesnt seem to have any hoyo game under expies. i think its that expies are from a separate piece of media, rather than the same company.)
similarities listed by tvtropes:
twilight paladin hair + verdant sky battlesuit = nahida
high position in educational institution
clone of someone who died 500 years ago
powers related to dreams
@@Eosinophyllis She's not an expy in the true sense of the word but she is still pretty clearly the Genshin universe's version of Theresa. Same VAs, same hair color and side-ponytail, same "older/wiser than they look" thing going on, etc etc.
It's not that weird for alternate universe versions of characters in the Mihoyo-verse to be almost nothing alike. Just look at Yae Miko and Yae Sakura, or Bronya Rand and Bronya Zaychik
I think if you ever rated the other games you'd go mad.
In HSR, most of the female characters in a region inspired by china havs basically the same dress, even characters not from that region have the dress, however i do think they have slightly better silhouettes.
In HI3, all the characters are female, most of the early in game models are... mid at best, very sexualized for a lot of the characters, but I will say they do a semi good job of showing us what type of person they are and what their occupation is/was, and... all of the characters have multiple designs classified as battlesuits cuz Valkyries
And then the new game, ZZZ, I think as of now it has some interesting characers, some interesting designs, it doest have anything historical so we don't need a cookie cutter here, clothes are casual but they also have them match with other characters since a lot of them form different groups. I think you might like them a bit, the only thing is the silhouettes.
If i were to suggest some from each of the games mentioned,
HSR: Jing Yuan, Black Swan, Firefly/Sam, Adventurine, Boothill, Gallagher.
HI3: Herrscher of finality, Herrscher of the Void, Herrscher of Thunder, Herrscher of Truth, Aponia, Herrscher of Human : Ego (both forms), Elysia, Fu Hua, Thelema, Songque.
ZZZ: Billy the kid, Nicole, Anby, Nekomiya, Lycon, Ben, Miyabi, Aokaku, Soldier 11, Kolida, Anton.
Oo thank you for all the details! I do want to cover some of those games one day so I'll note those fellas down 👍🏻
Nahida is sexualized? Excuse me? 💀
Listen you're critiques are completely valid but it feels like you took the Liyue out of my boy Zhongli 😞. The plushie that represents him best though does show a lot of points where he can be simplified though. Every other character is free game though 😌.
oh yeah, the colors in genshin are a bit weird. the element "geo" is neither rock nor earth, "geo" in genshin is more like an orange-ish yellow gem, it's meant to look like Amber or Topaz
I was so perplexed, my research beforehand did not prepare me for which colors signified which element haha
Dont let this girl cook please...
Okay! Can i see you cook now?
As a Neuvillette Stan the cover was heartbreaking 😞
Real😭
For me, Neuvillette's center was not his chest, it were his eyes. His eyes were the first thing that I looked at.The second was his hair and third collar. As a character he changed my whole world, because he has to look cold, intimidating as he upholds the law and have to present that way. I am pretty sure if he could decide he would dress simple, as Neuvillette himself even said his clothing is a predicament, that he steps on it or his hair getting tangled into the decor of the chair. Some think that one part of his clothing are actually fins, as he is a hydro dragon and part of his clothes in his charged attack grew and flow, like his blue appendages on the head. As for the cane, there is a theory he got a long lasting leg injury. His white hair, smart, loving and caring nature with his blue design (+ dragon) got all aspects I love in characters in media and they are him combined which made him the perfect character for me. But that is my opinion, others might love Zhongli or Venti, kauzha....etc. more thats their like in looks and I respect that as long as they respect my favoritsm in his
Like others pointed out already: the characters are most of the time complex due Genshin being a Gacha game, you pull for the looks and personality mostly ;)
There's a gacha game that ended service pretty recently called World Flipper and i think its approach to character design is super interesting as they have a lot of the same design sensibilities as genshin but wayyyy more toned down. very interesting to look at if you have time
Ooo I'm noting that down, thanks for suggesting it!
@@squiiji3D np lol, also just wanted to say i love your avatar's design; i'm a big fan of the goopy mushroom hair
The funny thing about you thinking that Tighnari was a jackal is that his best friend or close friend is inspired by jackals!
Also some cool characters to look at if you are planning to do this again are Cyno, which is the jackal guy and Sethos! It would be interesting since they are kinda opposites but also not at the same time, because they have similarities and differences that are just neat little details because of their story!
I forgot I had Sethos saved for this one, he's for sure in the next, but I'll note down Cyno too!
Sorry but your changes are boring and taking away the detail makes the design seem less of a passion project and more like "ok we drew the bare minimum let's stop there." Also their element isn't always reflected in their design but in their characteristics.
First video I watched on this channel and I have to recognize the quality of the design. The main avatar and the tools for captions, comments and the reaction of her hand on the drawing. Very beautiful to me
Intricate designs in these models, especially those who hold grand positions or used to hold such as Neuvillette, Zhongli, Venti, etc, have to have intricate designs to show that they are different than regular people. They are divine/powerful being... And.. if the gamer character developers don't even put that much effort into their characters.. why would we as a player even like them in the first place? First impression should be prioritise lmao
razor has one of my favorite designs! it shows his backstory and his personality so well while also being simple. i would love to see what you think about him
Noted 👍🏻
U were dead right on tighnari, they blended jackets, foxes and wolfs together for some reason. Cyno (the Anubis based character) is based on Anubis (jackel) but his skill where he transforms into a more jackel-inspired look is called a wolf in the description of his skill.
As an artist my self the more detail the more the character look better lol
The whole kaveh section I was internally begging “please keep the chest window please keep the chest window please keep th-“
Don't worry, the importance of the chest window was made VERY apparent to me LMAO
About neuvilette I agree with the « dorito » comment but what is nice is that in gameplay you stay almost 100% in his charged mod and here he look more like the splash art so it fix the problem in my opinion
@Squiiji that was a peculiar guess for Neuvillette... seeing him as an antagonist was even more surprising ! but... i guess he did a good job todeceive people with his design ! but i tell you that you just stratch the surface of is complex character...
I think characters like Sephiroth and Lucius Malfoy who have similar shape language and traits misled me haha but I have no doubt he's a deep character, I hear a lot of the popular Genshin characters are popular b/c they're also well written
@@squiiji3D i see... well i can tell you that despite is cold exterior he can be a really sweet and emotional person !
Nahidas design is white because it symbolizes her purity and innocence. She’s the untainted branch of irminsul. I would say she’s not sexualized, if boho really wanted to make a character sexualized, they would. Let’s take raiden as an example. She literally pulls a sword out of her t*ts and if you pay attention, you can see that a lot of the characters stockings are are just thigh high socks. You can also almost see her t*ts and undergarments in her splash art. Also the fact about the silhouette not being good enough is not valid because you see the character from literally every angle in the game. You may think it’s “overdesigned” but the ornate designs of the game is mostly explained in lore. Neuvi is literally what most genshin characters think of as the best designed male character. Zhongli works at a funeral parlor so he has to dress “modestly” to seem more respectful to the costumers. His “fancy” parts are a nod to him being a god. Also he is DEFINITELY not spoiled. The in game models may seem “bad” but the bid thing is that the bad silhouette is actually because those characters have flowy movement. Tighnari is colorful because of the fact he’s a forest ranger and researcher. Nature is not supposed to be “uniform” and perfectly harmonized. His colors clash because he IS deeply in tune with nature. I think you should probably play the game and not just read the wiki because the wiki is hard to understand even for players who have played. Your chat also gave some inaccurate information. I think a majority of the genshin fandom actually doesn’t understand the lore and designs at all. They complain about sumeru skin tones but don’t understand the reason why they don’t have as many dark skinned playable characters lore wise. Many parts of the designs are overlooked and seen as “too much” simply because they don’t understand the small details and ties with the lore. Collei has red attached to her vision because of her idolization of amber. Many people I’ve seen think it’s clashing with her design but don’t understand the reasonings. You should also maybe look at splash art more because it gives a lot more than the drip marketing and in game models. Zhongli drip marketing is so mediocre compared to play art.
I just wanted to say that everything you said is very valid but that raiden pulls her sword out of her t*ts is very wrong she pulls it out of her heart bc it’s the puppet and raiden ei is p,aced her conciseness in the sword you even see an “eyeish” form where the sword comes out however yes the kimono is very sexualised
sorry if my wording is bad
If you do this again, I would love to see your take on Wanderer! (And Furina if I can suggest two)
I personally love almost every single design in genshin, so while I don't really agree on everything you say it was still a fun to watch ^^! I'm really, REALLY curious on what you would say about Wanderer's (or hat guy/Scaramouche/Kabukimono, whatever people want to call him lmao) design! It might honestly be my favorite design in the whole game lol, he also used to have another design before he became playable but sadly there is no official art of it from what I know, only his old designs 3d model I think
I've been trying to teach myself character design. And this just appeared in my recommendations... So I'm listening VERY CAREFULLY right now.
for what its worth about the colors to elements thing, its based on the 5 chinese elements which requires a more... asian outlook lmaooooo
Ah, that makes sense. I was figuring it comes from another set of color to element associations I wasn't familiar with
I dont think simplifying the characters will do them much good since they're in game models meant to appeal to people so they can spend money,and some designs have lore behind them so a little more research in their lore will help you understand it more.Like zhongli is super poor.
Pretty late to the vod, but one think I´d like to mention depending the visions (elements) is that visions are also given based on the characters experiences and quality. Geo (Earth/Rock) is given to very steady, confident people, who have a strict goal. Electro for outcasts of their volk who needed to find their way. Cryo to people who have ability/ curses that contradicts their personal desirers and so on for other visions. So sometimes colors won´t match the element type. The best example for this would be Yun Jin, a Liyuen character who is an opera singer. Her color pallet very much suggests Electro, but her character Lore makes sense for her to be Geo. Ofc this i only something or mostly something, people with lore knowledge would be able to see, I just thought it would be an interesting fact
If your character was available as an option I’d pull immediately
Very insightful! This can be the whole series of content and I'll gladly watch more 😊
Loved it! I would love to see Furina and Nilou rated! Chevreuse might also be interesting... not because she is good but because she is so bad in my eyes. Alhaitham and Kaveh should really be rated together as theyre very much designed with the other in mind and I think that would bring some clarity but also I'm not saying you have to do that. In my opinion it's just very fascinating when characters are designed to match/foil.
I'll note those fellas down for next time, and if I take a look ar Alhaitham I'll have Kaveh on hand so I can see what y'all mean about them being foils
@@squiiji3D It´s in my opinion best seen when you invert the colors of their models using a filter! Though I can see that this strays a bit from just rating their designs. Also I apologize in the case that the connections are weak at best in the eyes of a professional, I ofcourse am not. I also apologize if I'm being too pushy or anything, I normally never comment so I don't really know the "etiquette" around commenting. I'm just very enthousiastic abt the two nerds ,:).
Hello! Casual Genshin Player, cosplayer and artist here, I wanted to say how amazing your content is! I saw this and was immediately intrigued, I cannot tell you how HARD it is to cosplay these characters. I actually am starting to steer away from cosplaying them entirely because it’s just a hassle in general because of how complicated the designs are. It is truly crazy but, I love your content and I think it’s super fun, I wish these characters were more simplistic like you drew them. Anyways that was a lot of yapping, new subscriber, and I can’t wait for more amazing content! ❤
Also the music is absolutely BANGER, where can I find it? :D
I think with Neuvillette’s flowy shape language it’s an argument between square-judge and tapered/drop shaped for water/hydro, but understandable with a lack of context!
I hadn’t noticed how Navia’s design has such a problem with focus/contrast until this lmao; hoyo could’ve done so much better :/
Side note with Tighnari I’m pretty sure the cyan-purple-gray braided rope on his waist is something cultural? I’m not particularly knowledgeable or anything but the colors might represent specific things. I do agree the colors do clash, and might’ve done better with slightly less saturation or different placement - it turns into the focus point whenever I look at him.
I agree with putting *something* on Yanfei’s legs! As someone who played her when I needed a pyro/fire character, her design always seemed to have too much negative space with the skin. Personally she reads more deer(?)-adepti than dragon or reptile but I like the adepti-allusion on her legs.
I would personally love to see you critique Wriothesley, Clorinde, Layla, Candace and Rosaria!
Wriothesley & Clorinde had always read as a bit less complicated to me, but I might be desensitized to Genshin/Hoyoverse over complication.
I had been doodling Layla when it hit me how odd her hood was, lmao, and I’d love your take on her & Candace’s motifs & themes.
Wriothesley & Rosaria also has some subverted expectations w/ color & element, lol. Rosaria does have a skin, though it’s said that it’s just her personalized-modified version of the original, so it’s not all *that* different, ig.
Another comment did say to check out the Fatui Harbingers, though we’ve only been introduced to five of the ten/eleven, and only three are playable. Regardless, all the Harbingers are quite interesting, even with the general sort-of uniform/style that comes with all being in the same organization. One of them (Captino) is completely faceless.
Anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I’ve learnt a lot from this for own oc I have yet to draw 😭😅 i want him to be detailed as as pretty as genshin chars, but I also want him to be perfect and not too much
I absolutely love Tighnari and his design, but omg his design is such a mess lmao
I agree SO MUCH after looking into him haha
@@squiiji3D It was very fun hearing your thoughts about him, I'll definitely check your streams live when I have the chance :D
This will be an interesting class, got my notebook on me!
You know, this video would have been perfectly valid had it been about your personal enjoyiment of the designs. Since it's posed as a normative way of rating character designs I think you're also automatically open for scrutiny. In this case, bold of you to lecture about character designs while using such a bland yet visually loud vtuber model.
Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
Genshin has alot of characters that has great design besides it , furina has so cute and adorable design and i love her so much she one of best character in Genshin and also her story is so beautiful and make u feel the character better
Your nahida’s design is better imo (except that pant thing) but what did you do to my girl Navia 😭 😭 and Zhongli 😭 😭
I saw the thumbnail, came for Noelle, but she's not here...?
I'm afraid I can't stay for the 4 hour long video/vod :'))
Sorry, I got vetoed by the chat on doing her in this video, I should change the thumbnail! I'm starting with her in the next video because I really liked her design (:
@@squiiji3DOh I see.. Thank you so much ^¬^
I love her design too, and it's one of the reasons why I love her 💖
Hope my comment didn't seem too disappointed, and I could probably watch this video in some free time
Looking forward to the next video
So here the explanation for the lore behind the clothing
Zhongli:
his origin is unkown and he faked his death and retired to work at funeral home
He is supposed to be the Geo Archon aka the rock god and the nation he rules (Liyue) is based on china
He is very pretentious and wise but also kind. He is like a father figure to some characters in the game and is also supposed to be over 6000 years old. He is also one of the characters that seem unaffected by memory/mind altering in the game lore. He invented Mora aka the money characters use in the game and it's named after his other name Morax
A lot of characters are scared of his strength because in the Archon war he was a maniac.
Neuvillette:
He is the reincarnation of the hydro dragon aka the water dragon. The hydro archon (SPOILER) is no more so he is the highest ranking figure in fontaine (the water nation based on France and the UK). He is obsessed with water and even does water tastings like wine tasting because he is supposed to be the most connected with the hydro element and can tell the difference between water from diffrent nations. His design elements are based on under water creatures in the game and since he is also the dragon the layers are like his scales (my theory). He is absolutely not the antagonist. In fact he is the one (SPOILER) that saves the nation in the end. He is supposed to look harsh and unapproachable but in reality he is a big softie. He invented laws that are "anti racism" in fontaine. He also doesn't like his job as a judge and there are instances in the past where he viewed the judgement as unfair yet still went with it because as a judge he is supposed to uphold the law no matter what. There is a legend in fontaine about the dragon crying being responsible for rain and it always rains before trials. People connect him with zhongli because they are both old with a similar personality but in reality Neuvillete wants to judge Zhongli in court/make him no longer alive ;). There is a recent event where they were both in the same place but Zhongli went out of his way to avoid running into him.
Navia:
She is also from Fontaine hence the french look. She is the leader of the mafia and their headquarters is a pirate ship. She is an orphan and it's a big part of her personality and insecurities. Her father was murdered during the duel in court. In fontaine you either get judged or duel and her father chose the duel to (SPOILER) keep the details of his trail private to protect her and he was also sick and dying anyway. She in the beginning hated Neuvillete for not protecting her father but after finding out about the whole story forgave him. Her father's trail is one of the trails Neuvillete hated. She is supposed to be an emotional flirt. Her biggest insecurity is not making her parents proud and not being a worthy leader.
Tighnari:
He is a Bio scholar that is supposed to protect the rain forest in Sumeru (the nation based on MeNa and south Asia). His element is dendro aka plants?? And people who have this element are usually the scholars in the game or the ones that seek knowledge. His ears are supposed to indicate that he belongs to some ancient sumeru tribe. He is the leader of the forest rangers and the Akademya is highly relying on his research and information.
Nahida:
She is the new recent incarnation of the Archon of wisdom and was (SPOLER) imprisoned since birth and prevented from developing by the Akademya hence the size. She looks like a mushroom because of the fungi in the forest of Sumeru. She is the strongest dendro user. Her fighting style is like programming because she invented the Akasha which is (SPOLER) an ear piece that connected to the brain and had "Google" on it. It makes sense because Sumeru is all about knowledge and learning. It's a big part of the MeNa/South Aisan culture is to be barefoot hence why she is also barefoot.
About the coloured crystals (aka visions):
Visions are what helps them control the Elements.
In Order
Element-Nation-Archon-Principal-Colour
Anemo: Air-Monstadt(Germany)-Venti-Freedom-Cyan
Geo:
Rock-Liyue(China)-Zhongli-Contracts-Gold
Electro:
Thunder/Electricity-Inazuma(Japan)-Ei/Raiden Shogun-Eternity-purple
Dendro:
Earth/Plants-Sumeru(MeNa/South Aisa)-Nahida-Wisdom-Green
Hydro:
Water-Fontain(France/Uk)- Neuvillete and Focalors/Furina-Judgement-Blue
There is also Pyro (fire-red) and Cryo (ice-white) but the regions aren't out yet.
Each Archon has their own principles and they're the ones responsible for giving away the visions. They're not distributed based on the citizens of the nations but based on the wishes the characters make that Archons "relate" to and give them visions based on that. Each nation is supposed to citizens from all elements
That's the lore for the game and god I need to touch grass
I would love to see you go over albedo who has one of the best designs but worst in-game model in my opinion
I saw him when I was researching for this one, you aren't kidding they REALLY did him dirty w/ the in game model 😭
This video proves that these characters could wear poo emoji outfits and the player base wouldn't care, because the game goes above and beyond developing these character's personalities, so the everyday player, who knows nothing from the world of art, would rate all these characters a 10/10. It is fascinating to get a professional's point of view on these characters, as you pointed out so many things that I never realized after playing with some of these characters for YEARS. I'm glad I saw this video!
SQUIIJI VOD ABOUT GENSHIN DESIGN, MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED! (literally was just doing research on gacha games design lol)
ima be honest, im very attached to the designs of genshin but Im surprised how much i actualyl did like the tiered bloomers for nahida, the leaf aesthetic she has actually compliments that design fix/choice
Do some for ZZZ, for silhouette it kills it.
ZZZ is on the list of other series I'd like to cover!
I make stained glass peices and am sometimes working for hours with my cutter and grinder, so I'm really happy to have such long streams to watch back :D
Ah glad you like listening in to me as some background noise, thank you!! 🧡
Awesome video! Was super fun to watch back while drawing!
You might be interested in seeing the designs of Dislyte (Same company as AFK Journey!) Overall I think most of their designs are spectacular and have a much more interesting and diverse range of characters. Definitely worth checking out even just for fun!
37:52 fun fact: Morax/Zhongli "killed" himself just to have a break and live with people of Liyue. also he's broke, the god who created money doesn't have any of it
I‘m not a Genshin Player so I know non of these characters just like you🤣, but I loved analysation of it all. This is the first vid I saw here and while your Avatar took a aback for a sec😅 It was still interesting to see your art analysis cause I draw too.
I‘d love to see more of this type of vid with Zenless Zone Zero Characters or from my fav series Xenoblade.
Tighnari’s design is an absolute disaster to my eye personally. The red is obnoxious, the cyan is obnoxious, the pink is obnoxious. The entire top half of his design is just way too busy. The one long sleeve and one short sleeve is…a choice. Why is he no wearing what looks like an onesie, with a vest and what is UP with the purple glove under his already existing glove? The orange is also terrible under the white. I will forever be a hater of his design. His face is cute and his hair is lovely. His ears honestly distract you a lot from the absolute mess that the rest of him is.
I’m in no way an expert- I just really dislike his design ☹️ (it’s mostly the clash in colours)
Uhm anywayssss if you’d like to check out more interesting designs, id recommend Kujou Sara, Collei, Chiori and Qiqi :)
nyooo i only caught the last second live
i didnt even catch a single milisecond cause i was asleep xd
I love these characters so much and i crave for drawing them,,z that's why im making a modern AU so i can excuse drawing them in normal chlothes-- you know, whithout getting burned out after every stroke 💀💀
@Squiiji I was wondering if it's possible to get a download for the board you use to critique the characters. I'd love to have it as reference for my own OCs
I have it here on Twitter if you'd like! x.com/squiiji_3d/status/1808959214653747472?s=46&t=EpbOmpyKyCCf1TxpX953og
I would love to see a stream like this for Zenless Zone Zero there other game. It is known for having really unique designs that are well focused
Nahida is so pail because she has been inprisoned for all of her live, pretty much directly ever since shortly after her birth.
Nahida kinda looks like a grandma now 😅
Nice job on the neuvi tho, i love him 😤
I- I need to see Bennett roasted. Please.
I love him so much, he's got such good lore and personality but the concept execution drives me nuts...
Also, there is actually a lore explanation for Tighnari being a fennex despite having dark fur/forest motifs, and it's that funnily enough, Nahida's god of wisdom predecessor actually blessed his race with her dendro powers and thus turned their fur green.
For next time, I'm kinda curious of what you'd say of Xiao or Kazuha. Both are kind of a lot in design, a lot of people calling Kazuha ugly in the past when he was first being shown (Canadian Aether is still a nickname for him, but he's more respected now) but they both have a lot of beauty to their designs too. Also just gonna tag on Razor too, I love the cute wolf-boy, feel they could update him at some point, being kinda small muscled but wielding a claymore.
If I were to suggest any female characters, just to make it fair, I'd suggest Captain Beidou, Dori, or Rosaria. Beidou is a respected character that has a relatively simple design compared to some others, but like to hear your thoughts. Then Dori is one of the few child characters that has pants (Sigewinne is also covering her legs, but Dori is less liked probably.) Then Rosaria, she's a sister of the church like Barbara. Just a normal, everyday, sister. Nothing weird here to question.
Of course the silhouette isn't good from the front because most of the time you are looking at the characters from the back and their Silhouettes from the back are better that's why they usually have long hair or a scarf that makes them look good from the back as they move around . Btw i could be wrong and talking nonsense so please call me an idiot if that is so
Also i feel in a single player open world game the Silhouette isn't that important this might be a bad take and i understand i am very stupid but i will still make this take but the silhouette in my opinion is most important in multiplayer FPS games like for example TF2 where recognizing a character in a glance is important to know how to counter them but in a single player game i don't feel that it's all too important
The most telling way to explain the issue with the designs is, if you removed fifty to eighty percent of the detail, you could show a fan of game (me) the changed design without the original for reference, and they wouldn't be able to tell you what you changed.
Leaving a like because you gave Noelle an 8/10 🤝
We didn't get to her in this one sadly but she might be the highest grade I've given a Genshin caharacter yet! I'm starting with her next time
@@squiiji3D I'm am SO looking forward to that, I need someone to articulate why I like her so much
Nahida may have a seemingly outrageous age but in context of the gods she is still considered very young . And also when we are first introduced to her she is the lesser lord she is supposed to look weak and powerless as her people lost their goddess and this was the reincarnated form that they saw as week and unworthy of worship .
I..Kinda dont care to much, i mean i like the tiny details of the characters because i can see everysingle one in game, and has a tradicional artist i realy enjoy puting tiny details, even if no one will notice, it show how much effor and Love i put in my drawings, and i also have some controverse thinking about editing someone else drawing, i mean fanart is good, but editing the exact drawing…..just no…..anyway i get that you have diferent views then i so thats fine :3, anyway this is the first video/stream i see more from you and see your art :3
It is by my will i would like to say that Scaramouche/wanderer has the best design lore-wise, silhouette-wise fannart-wise and bbg-wise.
Especially when you learn that 2 of his old designs were based off of female japanese nobility (which makes sense for him)
And Scaramouche has the BEST silhouette. Like i can recognise him from a mile away
(Yes this is a bias, but his hat.)
I may also love his blue design more due to the wanderer aspect and his shoulders but some dude in chat did kinda say his fatui design was better and tbh i agree
omg you painting over the unnecessary details is exactly what I've been wanting to do to genshin designs for a long time x3 just remove unnecessary details and post them online hahah
That model🤩
Would be cool if you did Wuthering Waves as well
It's on the list for other series I'd like to cover!
@@squiiji3D very nice 🙏🏻🔥
Don’t listen to the hate Iji!! I think that your tweaks on the character designs are really nice and help them feel a lot less cluttered. I don’t know if it would work as well in a 3d game but purely 2d design speaking, yours are 1000% better lmao
Also the people saying that you were rude and too negative just can’t handle any criticism about Genshin.
I think you were really respectful about the original designs while still being able to acknowledge their flaws in a fun, light hearted way.
Keep up the good work!!
I agree.
1:32:08 bow is a popular detail w fontaine characters. Like neuvilette has bow and many other characters.
Girl.. i think you made them worse then the orginal..
I'd like to see my bae character wanderer+scaramouche+kunikuzushi's designs reviewed pls
Wanderer is for sure on the list! I'll note down the others (:
@@squiiji3D Just a heads up (cause I wasn't sure if it was clear haha) all three of those names are of the same character :)
@starchild3189 same character but are different identities so i just did all of them lol.
Well, kinda. Wanderer i suppose 'fully' acknowledges all of these identities of his i suppose for the better
I would love to see one with Furina! She has one of the best Genshin designs imo
Your designs are so cool but i have been plague by the designs to the point where your recolor is making feel like something is missing and i don't like that feeling😭😭😭
Ah that's fair, everyone's probably used to things the way they are and my alterations feel like an uncanny alternate universe haha
I mean to be fair you look at these characters a lot I'd expect them to be extremely detailed.
Then again I am also partial to over detailing characters but in this instance I feel it it's not the worst thing.
Like I would understand if they were in a comic or in a TV show or in a movie but they're in a video game like I know characters are supposed to have a focal point but like if I'm going to be looking at this character for a while I hope they're over detailed like your designs are better but also I would get bored
I mean obviously there's reasons for what they do like the over detailing and the excessive detailing on the backs of characters because these aren't characters in a comic or a TV show they are video game characters You're going to be looking at them a lot for a while over and over again.
And I'm partial to overcomplicated character designs even though I'm well aware that they are not great in most instances even as an artist.
I'm also going to be offended if you change anything about Neuvillette because he's my favorite.
I am also aware that you know what you're doing lol and also that you are going at it from a purely character design teacher standpoint this sounds like shit that my teacher would tell me