Modlite vs. Cloud Defensive Handheld Light SHOWDOWN | PLH-V2 & OKW vs. MCH-HC
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Welcome to the ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN between Modlites OKW and PLH-V2 heads against Cloud Defensives new MCH-HC single output in the 18350 body.
Wondering about clip compatibility? About tail caps? About size comparison? Performance in various conditions? Spec comparisions? Beam patterns? Temperature in hand? This video is pretty much going to cover everything.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
0:42 Physical features
2:31 Temperature in hand
3:16 Performance features
4:51 Beam patterns
5:32 Photonic barriers
6:43 Pricing
7:21 Final thoughts
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I'm cracking up, because I so confidently said "$110 less expensive" when the math was right there in front of me. Y'all the price difference is $89 not $110...There's something silly like that in just about every one of my videos, and at this point I'm thinking I need to just own it, name it something, and turn it into a game haha!
Thanks for watching this comparison video!
You should claim it’s a game and offer a prize to the first person to catch it.
Funny. Video was equally well done and as informative as Mr. Gunsand/orGear!
I'm just searching for an 18650 wml for a range AR that spends most of the time in a closet.
I've been happy with Surefire for many years. Thank you for introducing me to possibly my next carry light(s)! Keep 'em coming!
One of the best channels on RUclips. Informative, educative, and entertaining. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you!
Your editing has gotten superb! Nice job!
Thanks for sticking around! Appreciate it :)
For those of you just now tuning in…. I’m not sure if the lights were different a year ago, but you can program the MCH to be single output only and a variety of other sequences of high and low order. I have mine setup to come on high first or with a double click it’s on low for admin tasks.
Cloud is just using different regulation and driver boards that are tailored for each battery size, whereas the current and voltage that the modlite head is asking for from the two different batteries is the same for both batteries. Cloud is keeping the 18350 in a comfortable range regarding battery discharge and pushing the 18650 harder. 18350's tend to max at 8A-10A of max current; 18650's around 13A-15A. Another great video!
This was a wonderful review! I am a photographer and pretend videographer, and I appreciate the color grading, lighting, and editing of your video! AND you know how to nerd out on flashlights! Haha I love my 3 modlites, my rein, and my other 519a nichia lights I carry daily! I’m gonna sub!
The nice part about this channel is it isn't over the top tactical/operator point of view, like its very armed regular citizen and way more useful reviews
To some degree I get the resistance against the "tactical" side, but many people do have a valid need for that kind of info and review too.
Aaron Cowan on Sage Dynamics for example still trains active duty military personnel and law enforcement and teaches them optimal ways to set up their gear for people that rely on their gear for day to day survival. And his reviews are therefore much more oriented towards "duty" gear moreso than "carry" gear.
Does everyone need or like it? No, definitely not, but it's still valid and useful.
A different perspective is always good though, especially for the ladies because no matter how much a man tries to tailor their info for a woman he will always fall short because he isn't one.
Love your channel. Thanks for the info!!
good review with some thoughtful insights such as heat of handheld over 1.5 minutes.
Solid Review, thanks!
Thanks
Your videos are excellent.
Nice video!
Thanks!
I love my modlite 18650 with okw head. Mine has taken a beating and still works flawlessly.
Thanks for the great info. Are you still carrying the Modlite PHL-V2? I'm looking at maybe buying one.
Regarding the mch clip, it's worth noting that they apparently ran into supply chain issues with a stock clip designed specifically for it, the lpc was used as a stopgap. I'd also be interested to see if the switchback designed specifically for the mch has the same issues you described.
I heard about the supply chain issues, and I'm glad they decided to send it out with this rather than nothing, that said though, it really doesn't work with this particular design. Better than nothing, but still not ideal :/
I have a Cloud Defensive REIN 1.0 on my home defense gun. Super happy with it so far
I’ve heard great things about it!
How is the xtar charger For the Modlite? Or should I opt to get the Nightcore charger?
Thanks for the comparison. I've been considering getting one or the other for a while. Modlite is known for poor customer service and occasionally spotty quality control so for $111 more that's a big deal. I'm leaning towards the Cloud MCH more and more.
I personally want my tactical lights to be high-only. I carry a second light for utility work. If I'm pulling my tactical light, I want all the power all the time. I don't want to press twice and get low mode or have it come on in low mode because I used high mode the last time.
Yep, I'm totally with you there! (In reference to the dual output comment).
@@george5120 I should have been more clear, I was responding to the portion of the comment referring to wanting the single output over the dual output.
If you’re not getting outstanding throw from your OKW it’s worth contacting customer service. However, the OKW isn’t known for having spill, hopefully that was communicated in this video. If you want more of a throw/spill balance then the PLH-v2 would be more ideal. I’ve not had any issues with my Modlites and I’m not aware of Modlite having quality control issues with their handhelds.
I’ve heard not so great things about their new weapon light though.
@@george5120 you could have waited a week for the Modlite HOG. It’s coming out on January 20th. Much more powerful than the current lights. I’d recommend that if you’re looking for the highest output you can get.
220 subtracted from 309 is 89. Her math was off. Plus the cloud defensive high candela version does not put out the power they say it does. With the werkz holsters "best edc light". It tells all.
I’m a die hard surefire guy. I appreciate your video outlining these two options. I’ve had my eye on the mod light for a while due to the punch and throw it offers. Might become the new partner to my shield pluses.
Watch the flashlight test Videos from Werkz Holster and you will stop to be a fan
@@shorty7943 What? The Werkz videos consistently show that SF still has industry-leading performance in terms of total output, output-regulation, consistency, durability, basically everything except peak candela which is just the current beam pattern fad.
The thing that keeps me with Surefire handhelds is the switchology in the tail cap of their EDC line of lights. I wish they'd make an EDC1LT/2LT with 18350/18650 batteries.
Werkz Holsters on RUclips has a good video showing how inflated the claimed candela and lumens are from Modlite. He also ordered a handful of the same light head and had quite a bit variation between heads of the same type. Just something to be aware - still a powerful light, but Modlite has a ways to go for marketing correctly and quality control.
What video are you talking about? Look at Werkz most recent EDC light test. The Modlite was superior to the Cloud. The Modlite surpassed their advertised lumens while the Cloud was well below. The Modlite was just below on their advertised candela and the Cloud was again not close.
@@rickyricardo5441 Oh, no doubts on the comparison. Just more a statement on Modlite as a company. His video titled Modlite PL350 | 5 Thing You Need to Know Before You Buy. In the video his "fourth" part section header he states a failure of a light and talks about the numbers being off. He then has a comment on the video with a link where he sent it off to UL for measurement as well.
@@tradetrotter4168 well as a consumer of both mod and clouds I carry my mod way more. The cloud will fail when it gets cold out. My mod will work and work and work.
@@tradetrotter4168 their pl350 initially was a disaster in regards to their switches, and the locking block.
They’ve fixed it. But it still isn’t great. But they make punchier lights. NOW… I prefer the rein 1.0 heads and the color temp they put out. The ONLY reason I’d get a cloud mch is so that I could use the rein 1.0 head on it.
Do you still recommend the modlite over the cloud defensive? I want durability and reliability
I love flashlights I got just got an older surefire m962 kit with the filters it's the incandescent bulb but it has insane throw for 110lmns due to its candela and cri is nice for color I like the ir cap for my night vision as a handheld little spotter
A note about the MCH's temperature, 2nd degree burns happen after 2 minutes at 124F, so during the summer if you have to light someone up for a few minutes straight, there's a good chance you could get burned.
Hello, this video came up in my feed. I like lights, especially with high CL, but I'm not a tactical guy. Where would one go to find the pocket clips and the round finger grips, not sure what they're actually called, that I see in the tactical community? Thank you.
Google “Thyrm Switchback”
A budget suggestion here. I can’t give everyone in my household a $200-$300 flashlight but a near runner up in performance and functionality to these lights is the Fenix PD32 V2. It is 1,200 lumens and impressively 39,000 candela from a 1” head. Takes about 1.5 minutes on high to get hot. Medium is still 11,900 candela and will run for hours. The mode switching is: while the light is on use 1/2 presses to switch between H/M/L.
But it has mode memory so M&L don’t get in the way. It might be the best tactical/edu switching setup I’ve tried.
Normal price is $75 with a 3500 mah usb charging battery but REI has the batteries-less SKU on sale now for $45
Funny enough I was going to use that light as a budget option in this review initially, and after seeing your comment I'm absolutely kicking myself for leaving it out. I might need to put together a full budget HHL video in the future. Thanks for your comment, and for watching!
@@tessahbooth The Streamlight Protac HL-X is a bit big in the head but has comparable lumens/candela. It runs about $85 with a rechargeable battery.
@@tessahbooth, it seems to be something of a sleeper but it’s definitely worthy of including. Way more blinding than 20k candela lights which is what I considered the minimum to have any effect. Based on Cloud’s pistol light design I knew more focus was achievable with smaller light heads. It seems odd that It’s a Fenix (and one of their lower end models too) that got there first.
@@tessahbooth If you do, you should take a look at the Wowtac A7. I know, Wow-tac sounds suspicious but it's a decent brand. It's very pocket friendly.
I have all of them and I love my cloud mch for carry but the modlite plhv2 is my go to on my rifle as well as the rein 2.0
I like carrying a Nitecore P20i. It's about the perfect size for a "tactical" EDC flashlight, I clip it inside my left cargo pocket and it gets plenty of use (I'm actually on my SECOND one, a Sheriff took my first one!) I had considered the P20iX but honestly, my current 1800 lumen P20i is way more than enough for most tasks. I was really just looking for a powerful light with strobe. Not even to mention the throw and candela, both of which are GREAT for PID at night! My only gripe is that I can't lock it from activating in my pocket (like Fenix PD series) and it gets pretty hot but that's expected from a 4,000mAh battery.
Math is hard lol (light pricing is $89 diff. Still basically 100 bones).
I personally lean more towards Cloud for the specs but can see 👀 the benefit of the contenders. Did the beam color make a difference for you while testing the lights? (wasn't sure if you mentioned it, my apologies if I missed it.
love your content and will be on the look out for more!😃
My mch decides when and when not to work. Specifically if it’s cold out it’ll start to flicker or not work at all.
@@gordonbombay6627 maybe send cloud an email. I’m sure they’d help you out.
@@mouthbreather280 yeah maybe. But after their chicro fiasco and all their excuses I’m kind of done with cloud all together. They don’t need me and I don’t need them. Call it a wash. Just another flashlight company.
Lol, first thing I noticed too was her math was off. Check out the werkz holsters "best edc light" before you buy a cloud defensive mch though. It does not put out the lumens or candela they say it does.
I have the dual mode Cloud. I think you should check it out, as the lower made doesn’t get nearly as hot for more daily tasks
I debated between the single and dual output options, but ultimately landed on the single output because I having the highest candela function come on first was my priority over the dual function.
@@tessahbooth I carry a small key chain light for reading menus and finding dropped pens.
First of all, great video. Very nice testing and quite informative. Although I will say your math is off, 220 subtracted from 309 is 89 so the mod lite is only 89 dollars more. Also I would recommend watching the werkz holsters "best edc light" where they actually test the lumens and candela on the mch hc 18650 version along with the mod light, a surefire light and a streamlight with an anzi plato fl1 spec. You will see that the cloud defensive mch high candela version is only at 825 lumens and only 48000 candela. Far below what they advertise. I will be purchasing a modlite at some point, because it actually does what they says it does. And because my dang mch gets super hot super fast lol.
It really does get hot! I realized my math was off after the upload and pinned a comment hoping people would see it 😂 Not the first time, probably won’t be the last haha!
I’ve had some issues with my Cloud since this video. Fortunately Cloud was able to remedy them by sending a new tail cap. I’d like to do a follow up video on it eventually. Still loving my modlites though, and haven’t had any issues in the almost two years I’ve owned them 👍🏻
Nitecore P10V2 with ring clip. Very happy with price to performance and it's the only tactical defensive flashlight with a ring other than modlight/cloud defensive
7:07 309 - 220 = 89 I think
Ha that's hilarious. I never run out of reasons not to take myself too seriously lol. I said it so confidently too haha
I have the Modlite OKW, PH2 and Cloud Defense MCH . I’ve carried them on duty . The Cloud Defense was defective out of the box. It had a dim glow. The gasket also split the first time I disassembled it. They are fragile. They were responsive and happened to be visiting my city and delivered the replacement to a extra duty job I was working .
The Modlite OKW has more punch and reach. Additionally the Modlite lights are very well built. The Cloud Defense are comparable but not quite as well built . A note: a larger frame person can carry them in their front pockets .
How has your MCH been since you got the replacement parts? Mine has been perfectly serviceable since I bought it at launch until about two weeks ago when it just stopped working. Cloud is sending me a new tail cap.
Cloud Defense replaced the light with another MCH. I was a little disappointed when I noticed later it had been used. But so far it’s been fine the last 6 months. I’m very careful changing/charging the battery because of the gasket issue. I was impressed they personally delivered the light to me when they were in Nashville .
👍🏻👍🏻☕️☕️
I use a Coast PX15R, it’s a great budget friendly option. I think the PX1R is extremely similar. For around 50 dollars it’s a great light, with the great backing of Coast. Coast lights are routinely dropped off ladders and keep on shinning. They are loved by many contractors. The only down side is I think they are in short supply right now. Thanks for sharing, keep styling on!
While the temperature differential is absolutely a valid concern, I think it's mostly due to user comfort and tolerance
Maybe I'm just numb to things I shouldn't be, but I've never been burned or made uncomfortable by my light getting hot, but I will notice the warmth after using it for a minute or two.
On an older light the warmth actually alerted me that the light was on in my pocket, I was repairing a deck during the day and used my light to look for some screws that I'd lost under the deck, and when I found them I stuck my light back in my pocket (without realizing it was still on) and after about 15 minutes I realized my leg was sweating and noticed my light was on.
While I realize that's a VERY niche scenario, it did "notify" me to some degree that I was needlessly nuking my battery life.
Do you have any contact with Darkstar Gear? Kind of last resort posting in your comments, but your review is what helped me make my decision on ordering a hitchhiker. Ordered April 20th, have yet to receive anything. Messaged multiple times with very little help and the week they said they were going to ship it was the week of June 20th, which was 2 weeks ago. Getting frustrated at spending ~$100 for a holster and still haven't received it going on 3 months later.
Hey Mark! Have you been able to shoot them an email about it since the end of June?
@@tessahbooth I've sent multiple emails and Facebook messages. The last time they responded by email it took them 10 days to respond and that was when they said they were going to be shipping it out the week of June 20. I've sent more emails and messages since then with no response. I commented on their most recent Instagram and Facebook posts to try to get more attention.
Just wanted to check in on this again, any response?
@@tessahbooth Yes they did finally ship it and sent tracking information. Thanks!
@@markschaefer5703 Glad it worked out! 😊
Wow...I really appreciate the review on these lights. I no longer feel like I should buy one after seeing the beam pattern on them. I have lights right now that are easily one-third the cost but output twice the light...not just in lumens but actual beam pattern. I'm not at all impressed with status symbol lights now.
Which lights did you get? I have been looking around too and been settling on the Cloud Defensive MCH 2.0 HC 2.0 (programmable). I can get it for like $125 but I still want to know other good options before I go for it.
I would love to see a college student budget option. Any ideas?
Fenix PD35 V3, Thrunite TN12 pro, Wurkkos FC12
Look into Malkoff and Arisaka.
Streamlight Protac HLX is also a good option for cheaper.
Cloud Defensive offers a MCH with 2 output settings, high output and low output. The low output is great for administrative tasks, and situations where you'd need light for extended periods. The low output mode doesn't have uncomfortable felt temperature
Yeah that can be a great dual purpose light! I wasn’t wanting that particular feature though, which is why I went with the single output 🙂
@@tessahbooth Gotcha, makes sense. Just wanted to share since they have a MCH option that addresses the high temperature issue you mentioned. Great review 👌🏾
What happen to Surefire❓
Thanks for breaking these down. It's a lot of money to buy and not like the out put. Is there any that you like that is cheaper? I have a tendency to losing things to my kids. I wouldn't mind having one that they could "borrow" and still keep my good one. With 2 of them being girls I still would like them to see what's ahead of them though.
The Streamlight Protac HL-X is a bit big in the head but has comparable lumens/candela. It runs about $85 with a rechargeable battery. You can find Chinese lights for less but the Streamlight is the sweet spot of quality, performance, and price.
@@bwofficial1776 Thanks. That helps a lot.
Why didn't you include mch edc head?
Because buying that many lights is expensive 😄
Cookie cutter for light? Its about 45 cent per click
If I called the shots for a weapon-light maker, I'd say "what's the smartest thing we can make with a single 18350?". Then I'd say "do that... now"
Just weighing in for funnies, since I own and have used the OKW, PLHV2, and MCH HC dual output with an 18650.
The OKW is great, but I ended up switching to the PLHV2 because it just seemed like a better general purpose light, splitting the diff between bright hotspot and decent flood. My friend and I played some flashlight games with similar photonic barriers to what was shown in the video, and I found the PLHV2 to have plenty enough candela to identify what my friend had in his hands and, if worse came to worse, it's got all the throw I need to make a shot with a handgun at what I would consider realistic ranges (roughly 20 yards for me using a flashlight in my support hand).
I ordered the MCH shortly after its release. I waited two months for it to finally ship, and within a week of receiving it I was in contact with Cloud to warranty my MCH's defective tailcap. I had a fun issue where, when activated on high, the light would run at what seemed like less candela than my PLHV2 for two to ten seconds before stepping down to something significantly dimmer between the high and low modes. Cloud got the light back to me with a new tailcap in less than a week.
I got the MCH back from Cloud in early-May and I've been using it as my EDC light ever since. With the new tailcap, the MCH has substantially better output than my PLHV2 with a much brighter hotspot and longer throw, while still maintaining decent flood. The low output also makes it handy for admin tasks, though I would have preferred to have the high output as the first selectable mode rather than the low. Battery life with the MCH has also been better than with the PLHV2.
At the end of the day, I'd trust any of the lights in this comment to get the job done, and they all still have their roles to fill. The MCH, as mentioned, lives in my pocket, while one PLHV2 stays in my nightstand an all my other Modlites have been reconfigured for weapon-mounted lights.
Modlight price points are bananas. $300 for a handheld is nut
I hear you, I actually lost my mind for 5 minutes and went on their website ..put one 18650 PLHV2 in my cart and had a shock at the price. It would cost me $438 Canadian dollars to have one in my hand. Needless to say I came to my senses and deleted it, actually I think I will delete the account I created.
Modlite had better come to their senses and become more competitive in their pricing or Cloud Defensive will mop the floor with them in a couple years.
@@louie4316 Canadian here too. I’d say it’s worth it due to its performance. You’re not going to get that type of handheld performance in that size, with the same durability in common brands like Fenix. It’ll be a one time purchase and it’s worth it when you see what it can do at night. They have the Modlight HOG coming out tomorrow if you want to get it. It’s more powerful than their PLHV2 and OKW. UPS will hit you with a further ~70$ fee upon delivery to Canada fyi. It’s very expensive but it’s the best. The Cloud Defensive MCH HC is also a great option. But the HOG will be the best out of all the currently available options on the market.
Amutorch XT35 is my edc at $50 gets you 100k candela which is blinding in full daylight
So........... pricey!!
2 of the most expensive lights available...I'll stick with my Malkoff Devices lights. Superior in every way.
Malkoff Devices are in my opinion the best droppins/Heads and Flashlights out there, I accidentally dropped my BodyGuard from the top of a scissor jack once and it still works great..however me being a flashlight junkie I couldn't resist getting a Cloud MCH EDC.
Cloud just finally released the stainless low profile clips, you can get them for free just pay shipping if you have an mch. Tons better than the thyrm clips
Just got mine, definitely a big upgrade!
I find most of the 18650 defensive flashlight still to big for pocket carry. I dont know why anyone doesnt make a slim compact 14500 flashlight. You tested this not close range. A problem with tight hot spat at close can be that its to tight. At 1 or 2 meters distance it should be still big enough to cover both eyes!
LOL "sHoWdOwN"
Laughs in Elzetta 😂
Elzetta makes good lights, and I have one, but their output is universally way lower than what’s being compared in this video 😄
@@tessahbooth Elzetta has candela figured out though. These high candela handhelds have, imho, huge hotspots splashing to the sides obscuring visibility. I just sent an ACH back because the hotspot was huge. I will stick to Elzetta and their proven experience.
It looks so big in your hands.
They're pretty sizable lights, but my hands are also very small lol
Not that big as they seem in the video. I have the full size versions and they are very carry-able for my body type. But if you’re a smaller person the 18350 might make sense.
Should check out some of the "hobbyist/enthusiast" flashlights. Modlite, Surefire, Cloud Defensive are top tier for weapon systems, but that engineering doesn't always translate to quality when it comes to handhelds. Can potentially start out with Sofirn/Emisar/Noctigon since those are more budget. Extremely high quality emitters, good build, better functionality - just doesn't look as tactical.
@@DYang01 Like I said, the body and switches being made in the US and having features that allows lights to survive SCAR level recoils doesn't translate to usefulness as a handheld. If all the important internals are the same, a handheld coming in $100-200 cheaper is worth exploring. Also, you can buy basic hobby flashlights with the same features, you don't need to splurge on the extras.
products like this are really where you get what you pay for.
Jesus, better be life changing quality for a 3 digit price tag for a flashlight.
Yeah, my heart skipped a beat the first time I saw that price tag. At the time, I genuinely had no idea that flashlights could even cost that much haha
@@tessahbooth I think it's like watches. Some are good and reasonably priced, some are expensive garbage, some are just cheap garbage, and some are great... but not for the price.
@@Marc_Wolfe I agree, but i must say "you get what you pay for" may apply to flashlights too. I've collected flashlights since 2005, back in the heyday when 100 Lumans was the cats ass.
Also bought some cheaper versions with huge claims just for fun and some more expensive lights.
In my expierance, all those cheap high lumen lights I bought quit working within a couple months.
Now they're rotting away in a landfill somewhere.
My Surefire/Malkoff Devices/Alzetta are still working after all the abuse I put them through over the years.
Having said that $308 ($413 CAD!!) for a Modlite handheld is absurd. The company should due a better job of justifying the cost because it is not (price wise) competitive.
@@tessahbooth look up Hanko lights.
you're pretty
Fun fact, Cloud was sent off to different labs to get tested and they only produce 48k candela, not 71k. Pretty disappointing. they also step down significantly after 30 seconds
Post the results and from what labs?
Used to carry Streamlight and Surefire. Now I just carry Olight. Yeah yeah yeah, I'm still waiting for it to blow up. 😂
Whatever works best for you That's the name of the game.
Been carrying Olight for years never had an issue with them
The guy touched it to a car battery so no duh it exploded. The real issue is metal shavings and or sand fouling up the tail switch because it’s not covered with rubber. I still like my warrior mini though.
I carry streamlight on pistols and modlite on rifles…. One Olight and honestly it’s amazing, will never replace my modlites but damn I’m impressed after a 18months. One charge ever and yes it’s been used.
Hey man, not everyone's got the balls to ccw a hand grenade 🤣
i used butget fkaslight''' better than that light.......okay
over price
I’d happily spend more on a mod to not have cloud problems. My cloud is finicky at best useless at worst. And after the chicro I don’t want cloud to even warranty my mch
I just started having major issues with my MCH this week!
@@tessahbooth I’m sorry to hear that. It’s a real problem when a warrior mini 2 clicks right on in the same conditions that make my mch waver.
My MCH has been working fine with no problems but as soon as I seen they were making shit in china now I immediately sold it and bought a modlite. Should have bought modlite in the first place. They have way better output and build quality imo.
@@trentcampbell2388 yeah I haven’t carried mine in a few weeks. I’ve been rocking a surefire ordering a modlite soon
@@gordonbombay6627 I contacted customer service about the reliability issues I was having and they were able to fix it with a replaced tail cap. Hopefully that fixes the issue in the long term 👍🏻
People spending $600 on a 800 lumen edc light 🤦♂️ people with money to waste will do just that
That’s the first time I’ve heard someone compare punching power with photon disturbance. I really appreciated the fresh outlook 🫶🏻👍👍