Absolutely. The Lions, I believe, kept their ticket prices low because the team was not good. I believe they have significantly increased ticket prices. EVERY ticket for 2023 and 2024 was sold. 😊
@@florida1289 Well he may have had to use that data. Some financial information is only published a year or two after it is filed. That's the most current information available to the public. Nonprofit organizations, for example, file form 990 with the IRS, but the earliest you can access the data online is a year or two later.
@steveciccarelli3609 I saw a financial statistic where the Lions went from one of the lowest average ticket prices to now top five in the NFL. And with the renewed energy of the fan base, apparently the fans are still willing to pay. Hopefully they can maintain their resurgence and optimism....
I remember growing up in the late 80's and 90's and the Saints couldn't even sell enough tickets to have a game played on TV. I remember listening on the radio.
@tylerpuszczewicz2535 NHL gave an owner that was never going to be an asset for the team too sweet of a deal. The NHL probably hoped it would happen the way it did to get a team out of AZ and into a better market. Thankfully, the fans didn't buy that nonsense. A competent owner with support from the NHL could have gotten something done there, but unfortunately, that never happened.
Becuase the NFL is much more viable in one of the fastest growing cities (JAX) than many think. Plus Shad Khan is a very capable owner; he continues to pour tons of money with infrastructure projects in JAX.
I expected every Florida team to be on this list, it's one of the worst sports markets in existence. Too many people aren't originally from there and the wages are pathetically low.
The Packers are the only team that publicly releases its financial information. I own one share. If they reported Earning Per Share, I would have earned 9% on my stock.
I agree but the Chargers didn't have much of a choice. Their stadium in SD was run down and not profitable. Unless their owner had an extra 2 billion lying around, building a stadium was a big uphill battle. It made sense financially to become roommates with the Rams even though it splintered their fanbase.
@@mercury82 The Chargers are the saddest story. From 2006 through 2013 I lived about 80 miles from Qualcomm and saw a lot of Charger games on TV. They seemed to have loyal fans, especially when they were really good those first two years. It's a shame they couldn't get some sort of stadium deal together (and with that beautiful climate you don't need a fancy dome or retractable roof).
@@jolenetwomey8280 Chargers games used to get blacked out LOCALLY due to low ticket sales in San Diego. Which is wild. San Diego just isn't a good sports town, beautiful city to live though
The Bucs are the least surprising on this list. When I made the mistake of moving there, the visiting teams always outnumbered the home crowd and this is when they had a winning record. Also, who the hell wants to be at an outdoor stadium in that miserable heat?
I went to half a dozen lions games when they sucked from about 2010-2015. Tickets off stubhub that I bought were $50-150 for ok seats, the best being about 30 rows up on the 35 yard line. This year, the cheapest ticket on stubhub is $240 and that's for the worst seats high up in the corner of the end zone. Winning effects profits.
In 2019-2022 I had a season pass that got me tickets for every Lions home game for $290. Since the start of the 2023 season $290 will get you nose bleeds if you’re lucky
Green Bay is owned by the Community/Packer fans. They own the stadium and is rented out for community events weddings proms ect. Green Bay is run as a nonprofit All money goes into the team and staff. They have sold stock to remodel the stadium. According to the organization they have been well in the black the last number of years. The stock that was sold help fund the the team is priceless and worthless at the same time it cannot be traded or sold. The people that bought it say it’s worth every penny
LA has had three NFL teams leave the city. I can't think of any other city that has lost that many teams. Yet somehow the powers that be thought moving two teams their makes sense. The Chargers probably should have stayed in San Diego or moved somewhere else.
San Diego is a good size market with lots of wealth, but it's proximity to Los Angeles, lack of corporate sponsorship and huge transplant population were detrimental.
When I was stationed in Pendleton it didnt take long to figure out LA was trash, and San Diego was awesome. It also didnt take long to figure Qualcomm stadium was a death trap.
San Diego is a good size market with lots of wealth, but it's proximity to the Los Angeles market, lack of corporate sponsorship, bad ownership and huge transplant population were detrimental. Even when the Chargers did well, other team's fans would take over Qualcomm.
I just learned this but the Chargers actually pay $1 in rent to Stan Kronke every year and actually share revenue with tickets, sponsors, concessions and advertisements. Also, chargers just built a 300 million dollar headquarters and practice facility. Chargers aren’t doing that bad actually 😂
@forgottenplaces9780 The NFL is much more of a TV product than other sports. Limited support in L.A. means less than simply being in the L.A. market compared to being in San Diego.
The majority of the wealth in metro Detroit is less than an hour away from downtown Detroit. Lions ticket prices were well below league average until the 2024 season. Ford field has always been sold out, even when the team was trash so idk how that is considered a mid tier fan base.
Detroits attendance per espn has consistenly ranked as one of the lower in the league many seasons at ford field as recently as 2021 detroit was last in the league
I'd like to see a 2023 list. The University of Michigan is close to Detroit and always draws 100,000 or more to games. It is not the nature of the fans that is the problem. The problem is that the Lions have been CONSISTANTLY awful during the Super Bowl Era. That is 57 years! No other team has come close to that.
@@forgottenplaces9780I believe it. The last of the Matt Patricia tenure leading into the Dan Campbell regime,there were certainly empty seats. Not as easily seen in TV telecast, but upper level seating appeared to have many open seats. Not the case any more...
Merchandise sales and TV contracts are ten times the revenue of ticket sales. The Steelers have sold out every game in the last two generations and they are still in the bottom half of the league in revenue, the lowest of all the AFC North teams.
3:43 I lived near LA as a kid. It was the 90s so there were still two football teams. But there are two of everything there. Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Raiders, Rams. And it’s LA. So nothing is close. You are also competing with the beach and other outdoor activities.
When I was a kid back in the 1970s, I always thought the Lions were a made-for-TV team that only played on Thanksgiving. They were never on TV in Texas other than on Turkey Day; they never made the playoffs; the local Oilers were in the AFC and may have only played NFC Detroit two, maybe three times in the decade after the NFL merger; even with all the Michigan natives that flooded the Houston area looking for jobs during that time, none of them ever talked about the Lions.
You wanna know what's hilarious? The Lions were closer to their World Championship glory days when you were a kid watching them in the 70s than the Cowboys are to theirs for kids watching football today. 🤣
The stupid owners think that their mismanagement is because they want a new Xanadu, a pleasure dome, to be paid for by their host cities. Sell to community groups such as Green Bay Packers have.
Although this has been listed as being fairly new. This is pretty dated. The Lions have really turned around ,attendance is standing room only, season tickets are wait listed and merch is flying off the shelves. Plus the moments about the fan base is just plain stupid! Just check out the attendance at the big house and Spartan stadium. Really sad that this represents the work of “forgotten places” keep this out there and you will listed as forgotten providers.
I agree overall about the Lions, but the main reason was how bad they were. The Red Wings played downtown, but had GREAT teams and attendance was never a problem.
New Orleans. Very fortunate to have a franchise 🤣 The saint’s legacy driven titanium stronghold all around the gulf coast is bananas. From the outside u may see not see it but from the inside…. U feel it in your blood. Your ignorance is forgiven. ⚜️
Tepper sucks. I live in Panthers country. The Panthers are like the Baltimore Colts from 1978 to 1983. Charlotte is a good city in spite of its liabilities but I don’t know how the Panthers will succeed with a bad owner and a losing team.
I had heard that if it wasn't for green bay we would have no idea what nfl teams did with their money or how much they made because they are own by the city meaning they have to show where every penny goes
They are owned by shareholders who don’t earn dividends and run by a board of directors They’re also a non profit organization- so this video attempting to compare “profit “ is pretty useless as it relates to Green Bay
@tylerjerabek5204 My bad thanks for pointing it out. i just remember reading somewhere that the fact that Green Bays books are open to the public keeps the rest of the owners from cooking the books or something to that effect
Detroit is a middle tier fan base. As they march to the Super Bowl this year and standing room sellouts every game for years. Look, the revenue is lower because the prices were lower to keep attendance up. It’s not so this year, ask the ticket buyers. As far as the mid-tier crack, look how our fans take over opposing team stadiums last year when we were a winning franchise. Nothing mid-tier about this support. We did the same when the Tigers and Red Wings were winning. This fan base is passionate period.
KC has a crazy loyal fan base, but the ticket prices are absurd after the last few years. Even third deck seats are about $150 each these days, and there are always fees on top of that.
Detroit stadium always looked kind of Green when the Packers came to town. Now that the Lions are doing well all the fans are starting to show up #Bandwagon
All teams are like that. The consistent sellouts of 100k at U-M stadium shows the demand is there. But if the team stinks & shows no hope why spend your money on them?
I went to Detroit a few years back to catch a Steeler game and I have to say that I loved Ford Field and enjoyed the downtown area. The Game was about 2/3 Steeler fans (first year for Dan Campbell '21). I imagine it's a lot harder to get a ticket to the Lions home games these days.
The early shot of Charlotte had me confused for a bit, hah. We are small market but the city is aggressively booming. That boom brings fans from other teams too. So even when that team is bad (it used to flip flop winning season, losing season every year) it still brings plenty of folks in.
Great example of how they use more than this metric to determine success. When Katrina happened The NFL would have had an excuse to move to a bigger market, but they did everything they could to keep them there. California and NY are number one and three in terms of economy, but you couldn't pay me enough to live there or even visit.
As an LA native, the Chargers are basically the red-headed step child in the sports scene here. Heck, the fact that the Lakers and the Dodgers are the top dog franchises here, even the Rams are a little downwind. But the Rams do have a homegrown fanbase here (not to mention a Super Bowl win), something that the Chargers are struggling to capture. At this rate, might as well move them back to San Diego.
I went for many years as a broncos fans to Qualcomm since I wasn't not keen on the idea of going to Oakland. Always seemed like it was like high not the chargers stadium so I think fan support not being there is nothing new
I am surprised Buffalo did not make it. Even tho there is a good fan base in every other area ( tv market, population is now 1/2 of what it was in 1970's for examples ) it is near the bottom of all NFL teams. If Buffalo ever lost its NFL team odds are it will never get another team.
@@edhunter5238 I know. When the Bills were sold that was the big scare they would be moved to Toronto so to keep them in Buffalo a new stadium was negotiated
I am surprised the Packers and the Lions are on there since both are long time NFL franchises and have fans all over the country. I would think they would have large merch sales.
Before last season, whose Lions jersey would you buy? Since Rodgers left Green Bay, whose Packers jersey would you buy? The local fanbase always but the merch but I guarantee you, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb, Travis Kelce, Jalen Hurts: their jerseys are sold to fans of every fanbase in the country and all around the world.
Interesting video. I have often wondered how profitable various teams are. I still have no idea how the NFL works financially, with broadcast rights, merch, tickets, etc., and how all that is split. But this video clears up a few things at least. Much appreciated and liked! 😃
Packers being on the list is for one reason….instead of a blood sucking douche of an owner that needs a yacht or feed his ego the packers build teams, or fan experience. They are by far the best run sports franchise in the world.
I'm surprised Jacksonville wasn't on the list, perhaps they make money going to London all the time. I think San Antonio would be a much better option than those that you mentioned yet we are unable to get an NFL team despite trying for many yrs
When will Americans understand that sport isn't about making profits! Its about growing and uniting communities, whilst giving them the hope to compete with others.
Packers would be making way more but either forced to or deciding to funnel it into the team and stadium, our operating profit would be bigger if we were private owned
I wonder how things might have turned out if the Raiders returned to LA along with the Rams and the Chargers played in Vegas. Perhaps the silver and black would have more home fans than the blue and gold? Maybe more desert fans willing to gamble on the Chargers?
Considering the product the Lions have put out over the years, it is amazing that they turn a profit at all. Until last year, the Lions had won exactly one playoff game in my lifetime. I am 64 years old.
The Chargers should have been the team to move to Vegas. While the Raiders should have come back to LA. The fanbase here is still heavily Raider Nation. Chargers never had strong fan base, even in San Diego.
Detroit has a great fanbase. Even when they were consistently one of the worst teams in the league and horribly mismanaged there were surprisingly a ton of diehard supporters and people who still cared deeply for the franchise.
How did the Carolina Panthers not make the list? They stink and the owner is a jerk. Their first home game for the 2024 season today was played in front of a half empty stadium.
What matters most to ownership is the value of the team as equity raises the value of their personal portfolio and can be used to acquire more assets. So operating income is important and shows the health of the business but it is the value of the asset (the team) that really matters to the ownership group and increasing the value of the franchise is a priority.
Jacksonville already is saturated with college football,being smakdab in heart of deep fried southern f.b. and Miami/Tampa Bay already were established .
Did you have to show the Lions in the thumbnail? Haven’t we suffered enough? And the Raiders still have a stronger fan base in LA than either team, and they left 30 years ago.
The Bucs is because the team either sucks, or if they’re good, tickets are absolutely insane. Nosebleeds during the Brady years were about $500-$600 a piece.
The problem with just looking at operating income is that NFL player cost can fluctuate widely year to year for teams, while looking at something like revenue is much more stable when comparing teams. Player costs will become closer over time since all NFL teams are required the spend at least 90% of the cumulative cap over a 3,3,4 year time period however in a single year it can vary greatly. For example currently the 49ers have the highest cash spending at $337,546,694 while the least are the Raiders at $218,426,166. Forbes has already released their estimates for the 2023 season and only two teams on this list is the same in the bottom 5. The 2023 list would be Lions $56 million, Packers $60 million, Bengals $76 million, Ravens $77 million, Falcons $94 million. If you look at revenue figures for 2022 and 2023 season however it's the same 5 teams on the bottom. (2023/2024 number in millions) Lions, ($495/$501), Bengals($498/$549), Cardinals($500/$546), Bills($503/$552), Titans($516/$561).
2:33-2:48 your statement is very misleading. You have to go behind the numbers. Plus you have to the rich culture history of New Orleans. There’s a reason why New Orleans has hosted the most Super Bowl.
One other Reason that the Buccaneers struggle with Fan Base is because they have Two other NFL TEAMS to compete against in the same state. Miami Dolphins and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Detroit fans just broke the sound record last playoffs lmao they’re definitely not mid tier. The lions just sucked for years. Do an update to this list in a year or so. The Detroit pistons were sold out for years straight when they were good as well I’m sure if you looked nowadays they’d rank pretty low cuz they’ve been pretty bad. But Detroit fans for all their sports teams are insane when their teams are competitive
The Lions were a surprise, but of course, this information is two years old. Don't expect them to stay on this list.
Absolutely. The Lions, I believe, kept their ticket prices low because the team was not good. I believe they have significantly increased ticket prices. EVERY ticket for 2023 and 2024 was sold. 😊
Imagine making a video with 2 year old info with 2 year old takes yet selling it as today.
@@florida1289 Well he may have had to use that data. Some financial information is only published a year or two after it is filed. That's the most current information available to the public. Nonprofit organizations, for example, file form 990 with the IRS, but the earliest you can access the data online is a year or two later.
Detroit are contenders now, watch when the idiot Bears fans show up.
@steveciccarelli3609 I saw a financial statistic where the Lions went from one of the lowest average ticket prices to now top five in the NFL. And with the renewed energy of the fan base, apparently the fans are still willing to pay. Hopefully they can maintain their resurgence and optimism....
I remember growing up in the late 80's and 90's and the Saints couldn't even sell enough tickets to have a game played on TV. I remember listening on the radio.
I shocked that Cincinnati, Cleveland and Arizona are not on this list
Die hard fan bases. Oddly enough.
@@kennethloki7011 And yet, Arizona doesn't care about all of its sports as case in point, the Coyotes left town.
Good for you.
@tylerpuszczewicz2535 NHL gave an owner that was never going to be an asset for the team too sweet of a deal. The NHL probably hoped it would happen the way it did to get a team out of AZ and into a better market. Thankfully, the fans didn't buy that nonsense. A competent owner with support from the NHL could have gotten something done there, but unfortunately, that never happened.
Arizona is one of the largest markets in the country, and Cleveland & Cincinnati have deeply loyal fan bases.
How can Jacksonville not be on this list?!
Becuase the NFL is much more viable in one of the fastest growing cities (JAX) than many think. Plus Shad Khan is a very capable owner; he continues to pour tons of money with infrastructure projects in JAX.
The London games bring in a good chunk of extra income for the team.
I expected every Florida team to be on this list, it's one of the worst sports markets in existence. Too many people aren't originally from there and the wages are pathetically low.
Not a big football fan I see.
Or Atlanta?
Green Bay Packers are classified as a nonprofit organization. The only NFL team to be such, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
Socialism at work, yet they nearly all vote Republican. Cheese Eaters.
The Packers are the only team that publicly releases its financial information. I own one share. If they reported Earning Per Share, I would have earned 9% on my stock.
Chargers in LA is a joke.
I agree but the Chargers didn't have much of a choice. Their stadium in SD was run down and not profitable. Unless their owner had an extra 2 billion lying around, building a stadium was a big uphill battle. It made sense financially to become roommates with the Rams even though it splintered their fanbase.
@@mercury82 The Chargers are the saddest story. From 2006 through 2013 I lived about 80 miles from Qualcomm and saw a lot of Charger games on TV. They seemed to have loyal fans, especially when they were really good those first two years. It's a shame they couldn't get some sort of stadium deal together (and with that beautiful climate you don't need a fancy dome or retractable roof).
@@jolenetwomey8280 Chargers games used to get blacked out LOCALLY due to low ticket sales in San Diego. Which is wild. San Diego just isn't a good sports town, beautiful city to live though
Every owner is a billionaire and it doesn't cost 2 billion to build a stadium.
@somerandomguy5977 yes, it does. NFL stadiums cost well over a million and then you have to buy the land
😂 This video feels 3 years out of date, for many reasons
The Bucs are the least surprising on this list. When I made the mistake of moving there, the visiting teams always outnumbered the home crowd and this is when they had a winning record. Also, who the hell wants to be at an outdoor stadium in that miserable heat?
Shouldn't Tampa's weather be less miserable in the fall and winter?
@@rashaadjorden1187 Not in Florida. The humidity makes 70 feel like 99.
I don’t know, I think I would take Tampa’s heat at begging of the season than the cold of Lambeau or Gillette after October.
@@javierromo8711 You can bundle up when it's cold and be warm. There's only so much you can do when it's 110F with 90% humidity.
@@javierromo8711 Lambeau games in December are the best. It ain't ever too cold for the Green and Gold. GO PACK GO!
I went to half a dozen lions games when they sucked from about 2010-2015. Tickets off stubhub that I bought were $50-150 for ok seats, the best being about 30 rows up on the 35 yard line. This year, the cheapest ticket on stubhub is $240 and that's for the worst seats high up in the corner of the end zone.
Winning effects profits.
In 2019-2022 I had a season pass that got me tickets for every Lions home game for $290. Since the start of the 2023 season $290 will get you nose bleeds if you’re lucky
Because you guys are a Superbowl contender and an exciting team finally.
Green Bay is owned by the Community/Packer fans. They own the stadium and is rented out for community events weddings proms ect. Green Bay is run as a nonprofit All money goes into the team and staff. They have sold stock to remodel the stadium. According to the organization they have been well in the black the last number of years. The stock that was sold help fund the the team is priceless and worthless at the same time it cannot be traded or sold. The people that bought it say it’s worth every penny
If they own the stadium why are they and the city of GB arguing over how to extend the LEASE??
The only things around raymond james are car dealerships, fast food joints, and strip clubs. Im surprised theyre THAT low but not surprised theyre low
Still can't believe they put two teams back in LA.
LA has had three NFL teams leave the city. I can't think of any other city that has lost that many teams. Yet somehow the powers that be thought moving two teams their makes sense. The Chargers probably should have stayed in San Diego or moved somewhere else.
@@joerapo totally agree.
@@slapshot0074 this is why the Rams were gifted a Superbowl. The NFL had to do something to keep LA fans interested.
San Diego is a good size market with lots of wealth, but it's proximity to Los Angeles, lack of corporate sponsorship and huge transplant population were detrimental.
I still forget the Chargers aren’t in SD and the greatest show on turf just up and left.
When I was stationed in Pendleton it didnt take long to figure out LA was trash, and San Diego was awesome. It also didnt take long to figure Qualcomm stadium was a death trap.
San Diego is a good size market with lots of wealth, but it's proximity to the Los Angeles market, lack of corporate sponsorship, bad ownership and huge transplant population were detrimental. Even when the Chargers did well, other team's fans would take over Qualcomm.
@@malcorub I was a part of that transplant population problem. But all things San Diego will have a place in my heart.
What kind of impact does Windsor, Ontario have on the Detroit Lions? It has no CFL team.
So the least profitable teams make a mere more money than almost anyone can even conceptualize? I get it now.
I just learned this but the Chargers actually pay $1 in rent to Stan Kronke every year and actually share revenue with tickets, sponsors, concessions and advertisements. Also, chargers just built a 300 million dollar headquarters and practice facility. Chargers aren’t doing that bad actually 😂
Not equally…
@forgottenplaces9780 The NFL is much more of a TV product than other sports. Limited support in L.A. means less than simply being in the L.A. market compared to being in San Diego.
@@Marylandbronyagreed
... but have to split it all with the Lambs and somewhat Vegas.
Only a buck a year?
The majority of the wealth in metro Detroit is less than an hour away from downtown Detroit. Lions ticket prices were well below league average until the 2024 season. Ford field has always been sold out, even when the team was trash so idk how that is considered a mid tier fan base.
Detroits attendance per espn has consistenly ranked as one of the lower in the league many seasons at ford field as recently as 2021 detroit was last in the league
I'd like to see a 2023 list.
The University of Michigan is close to Detroit and always draws 100,000 or more to games. It is not the nature of the fans that is the problem.
The problem is that the Lions have been CONSISTANTLY awful during the Super Bowl Era. That is 57 years! No other team has come close to that.
@@forgottenplaces9780I believe it. The last of the Matt Patricia tenure leading into the Dan Campbell regime,there were certainly empty seats. Not as easily seen in TV telecast, but upper level seating appeared to have many open seats. Not the case any more...
@@forgottenplaces9780 espn has consistently shite on the whole state of michigan, f&ck espn !
Merchandise sales and TV contracts are ten times the revenue of ticket sales. The Steelers have sold out every game in the last two generations and they are still in the bottom half of the league in revenue, the lowest of all the AFC North teams.
3:43 I lived near LA as a kid. It was the 90s so there were still two football teams. But there are two of everything there. Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Raiders, Rams. And it’s LA. So nothing is close. You are also competing with the beach and other outdoor activities.
When I was a kid back in the 1970s, I always thought the Lions were a made-for-TV team that only played on Thanksgiving. They were never on TV in Texas other than on Turkey Day; they never made the playoffs; the local Oilers were in the AFC and may have only played NFC Detroit two, maybe three times in the decade after the NFL merger; even with all the Michigan natives that flooded the Houston area looking for jobs during that time, none of them ever talked about the Lions.
You wanna know what's hilarious? The Lions were closer to their World Championship glory days when you were a kid watching them in the 70s than the Cowboys are to theirs for kids watching football today. 🤣
@@drmwpn As I'm not a Cowboys fan, that is funny!
How are the bengals not on this list? They could barely afford to sign Joe Burrow they had to sell stadium naming rights for gods sakes lmao
The stupid owners think that their mismanagement is because they want a new Xanadu, a pleasure dome, to be paid for by their host cities. Sell to community groups such as Green Bay Packers have.
Although this has been listed as being fairly new. This is pretty dated. The Lions have really turned around ,attendance is standing room only, season tickets are wait listed and merch is flying off the shelves. Plus the moments about the fan base is just plain stupid! Just check out the attendance at the big house and Spartan stadium. Really sad that this represents the work of “forgotten places” keep this out there and you will listed as forgotten providers.
Psssh college football is not the same as the nfl lions fans are fair weather imo
@@forgottenplaces9780uhh…no they aren’t.
Have winter condo on Anna Maria Is and am a big Tampa Bay fan!!! Bears too!
I agree overall about the Lions, but the main reason was how bad they were. The Red Wings played downtown, but had GREAT teams and attendance was never a problem.
Excellent point.
Little Caesars Arena capacity: 19.5k
Ford Field capacity 70k
@@buckybucky8596 Red Wings= 41 home games(820,000) Lions= 8 home games(520,000). Didn’t think of that, did ya?
@@buckybucky8596 Wings 41 games (820,000) Lions 8 games (520,000). Anymore questions?
The Redwings have been bad lately so attendance may start to suffer
I’m sure Detroit’s ranking has increased in the last few years
Where does Jacksonville or Carolina rate? Hmmm?
I realize you wouldn’t have access to the numbers but you have to consider corporate sponsorship which plays a huge factor in overall revenue.
New Orleans. Very fortunate to have a franchise 🤣
The saint’s legacy driven titanium stronghold all around the gulf coast is bananas. From the outside u may see not see it but from the inside…. U feel it in your blood. Your ignorance is forgiven. ⚜️
Tepper sucks. I live in Panthers country. The Panthers are like the Baltimore Colts from 1978 to 1983. Charlotte is a good city in spite of its liabilities but I don’t know how the Panthers will succeed with a bad owner and a losing team.
I had heard that if it wasn't for green bay we would have no idea what nfl teams did with their money or how much they made because they are own by the city meaning they have to show where every penny goes
They are owned by shareholders who don’t earn dividends and run by a board of directors
They’re also a non profit organization- so this video attempting to compare “profit “ is pretty useless as it relates to Green Bay
@tylerjerabek5204 My bad thanks for pointing it out. i just remember reading somewhere that the fact that Green Bays books are open to the public keeps the rest of the owners from cooking the books or something to that effect
Surprised panthers jaguars cardinals aren't on here
Detroit is a middle tier fan base. As they march to the Super Bowl this year and standing room sellouts every game for years.
Look, the revenue is lower because the prices were lower to keep attendance up. It’s not so this year, ask the ticket buyers.
As far as the mid-tier crack, look how our fans take over opposing team stadiums last year when we were a winning franchise. Nothing mid-tier about this support.
We did the same when the Tigers and Red Wings were winning. This fan base is passionate period.
@@CArchivist easy to say that when there winning
@@forgottenplaces9780I know a lot of people that travel over 50 miles per game and have for decades.
KC has a crazy loyal fan base, but the ticket prices are absurd after the last few years. Even third deck seats are about $150 each these days, and there are always fees on top of that.
Detroit stadium always looked kind of Green when the Packers came to town. Now that the Lions are doing well all the fans are starting to show up #Bandwagon
All teams are like that. The consistent sellouts of 100k at U-M stadium shows the demand is there. But if the team stinks & shows no hope why spend your money on them?
Good video. Looking forward to seeing a top 5 video!
I went to Detroit a few years back to catch a Steeler game and I have to say that I loved Ford Field and enjoyed the downtown area. The Game was about 2/3 Steeler fans (first year for Dan Campbell '21). I imagine it's a lot harder to get a ticket to the Lions home games these days.
They’re sold out every game and ticket prices are high Lmaoo
Id like to see the whole league's rank.
With regard to New Orleans. "Poor," in America is richer than rich outside America.
Cost of living matters. I may be rich for most of the world, but most of the world doesn't have $2,400+ rent for a basic condo either.
The early shot of Charlotte had me confused for a bit, hah. We are small market but the city is aggressively booming. That boom brings fans from other teams too. So even when that team is bad (it used to flip flop winning season, losing season every year) it still brings plenty of folks in.
Great example of how they use more than this metric to determine success. When Katrina happened The NFL would have had an excuse to move to a bigger market, but they did everything they could to keep them there. California and NY are number one and three in terms of economy, but you couldn't pay me enough to live there or even visit.
As an LA native, the Chargers are basically the red-headed step child in the sports scene here. Heck, the fact that the Lakers and the Dodgers are the top dog franchises here, even the Rams are a little downwind. But the Rams do have a homegrown fanbase here (not to mention a Super Bowl win), something that the Chargers are struggling to capture. At this rate, might as well move them back to San Diego.
I hope the Lions win a superb owl this season
If the Lions can win two Superb owls, then they'll have a pair of nice hooters.
I want a superb owl😂😂😂
I want some hooters
Bat!
I went for many years as a broncos fans to Qualcomm since I wasn't not keen on the idea of going to Oakland. Always seemed like it was like high not the chargers stadium so I think fan support not being there is nothing new
I am surprised Buffalo did not make it. Even tho there is a good fan base in every other area ( tv market, population is now 1/2 of what it was in 1970's for examples ) it is near the bottom of all NFL teams. If Buffalo ever lost its NFL team odds are it will never get another team.
They're building them a new stadium so they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
@@edhunter5238 I know. When the Bills were sold that was the big scare they would be moved to Toronto so to keep them in Buffalo a new stadium was negotiated
The Bills are more profitable than last year, but I think they rank 26 now.
You are correct about Detroit but things are changing with their success.
Nashville, CLT natt on da list?
Ford field is already 22 years old. Time to replace it with a 2 billion dollar stadium. lol
I am surprised the Packers and the Lions are on there since both are long time NFL franchises and have fans all over the country. I would think they would have large merch sales.
The Lions fanbase was hibernating for a sleepy three decades or so, but they recently have awakened...understandably so...
Before last season, whose Lions jersey would you buy? Since Rodgers left Green Bay, whose Packers jersey would you buy? The local fanbase always but the merch but I guarantee you, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb, Travis Kelce, Jalen Hurts: their jerseys are sold to fans of every fanbase in the country and all around the world.
Interesting video. I have often wondered how profitable various teams are. I still have no idea how the NFL works financially, with broadcast rights, merch, tickets, etc., and how all that is split. But this video clears up a few things at least. Much appreciated and liked! 😃
The fans at Chargers game are growing. Just didn't have much to celebrate. Harbaugh is changing things.
Thought Jacksonville and Carolina would be here!
LA can support two teams if the two teams are the Rams and the Raiders. Unfortunately, in LA no one really cares about the Chargers.
Packers being on the list is for one reason….instead of a blood sucking douche of an owner that needs a yacht or feed his ego the packers build teams, or fan experience. They are by far the best run sports franchise in the world.
underrated league
I'm surprised Jacksonville wasn't on the list, perhaps they make money going to London all the time. I think San Antonio would be a much better option than those that you mentioned yet we are unable to get an NFL team despite trying for many yrs
The Rams own their own Staduim they can make money on both they Football and NonFootball event in SoFi
dude i live in tampa and you couldnt be more wrong about the bucs did you do any research
I just checked 3 different websites, and all 3 were different than what this video suggests. Why should I believe you?
I wouldn't trust any numbers coming from the NFL. I would use a timeout to get a slo-mo instant reply on the cash register.
3:08 One year. 1960
Detroit is a mid tier fan base huh?
Right this guy is delusional
@@KINGONE6XIV It's a two year old video.
It'll be completely different in a season or two of not sucking
When will Americans understand that sport isn't about making profits! Its about growing and uniting communities, whilst giving them the hope to compete with others.
I expect my Patriots to fall out of the top 10 soon.
@maxpowr90 Pats consecutive home sellout streak dates back to the 94 season when Robert Kraft bought the team. I'll be at Gillette tomorrow myself.
Packers would be making way more but either forced to or deciding to funnel it into the team and stadium, our operating profit would be bigger if we were private owned
Packers are a non profit organization- much different from any other team
Figuring that things have changed dramatically for the Lions since this data was collated…
The 2023 numbers arent available? The Buccs and Lions have had good seasons since then.
Geaux Saints! The NFL should want to keep us in the league, just to host Super Bowls as no other city can do what New Orleans does with huge crowds.
Do you mean have a power grid failure during the game? Yeah, no one else does do that.
I find many of the bad teams to be the cool teams. They have good colors and mascots. I love the panthers colors. It’s funner to root for underdogs.
The empty Bank right at the start of the video. Fitting
I wonder how things might have turned out if the Raiders returned to LA along with the Rams and the Chargers played in Vegas. Perhaps the silver and black would have more home fans than the blue and gold? Maybe more desert fans willing to gamble on the Chargers?
It should have been the rams and raiders in LA.
Considering the product the Lions have put out over the years, it is amazing that they turn a profit at all. Until last year, the Lions had won exactly one playoff game in my lifetime. I am 64 years old.
They are cranking now. I don't think the spread out population has anything to do with it. Most years the team was bad.
Surprised the Jaguar are not on the list.
The most important statistic in the NFL is championships. Green Bay leads the league with 13.
Hopefully the league has enough with away fans showing up to Chargers games, lets LA be a one team market, and somebody moves the chargers back to SD.
Please 🙏
The Chargers should have been the team to move to Vegas. While the Raiders should have come back to LA. The fanbase here is still heavily Raider Nation. Chargers never had strong fan base, even in San Diego.
Winning cures everything.
Detroit has a great fanbase. Even when they were consistently one of the worst teams in the league and horribly mismanaged there were surprisingly a ton of diehard supporters and people who still cared deeply for the franchise.
Regularly towards the bottom in attendance per espn, last in the league in 2021
How did the Carolina Panthers not make the list? They stink and the owner is a jerk. Their first home game for the 2024 season today was played in front of a half empty stadium.
What matters most to ownership is the value of the team as equity raises the value of their personal portfolio and can be used to acquire more assets. So operating income is important and shows the health of the business but it is the value of the asset (the team) that really matters to the ownership group and increasing the value of the franchise is a priority.
At least it's not like European football where a lot of teams lose money.
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Jacksonville already is saturated with college football,being smakdab in heart of deep fried southern f.b. and Miami/Tampa Bay already were established .
Did you have to show the Lions in the thumbnail? Haven’t we suffered enough? And the Raiders still have a stronger fan base in LA than either team, and they left 30 years ago.
The Bucs is because the team either sucks, or if they’re good, tickets are absolutely insane. Nosebleeds during the Brady years were about $500-$600 a piece.
The problem with just looking at operating income is that NFL player cost can fluctuate widely year to year for teams, while looking at something like revenue is much more stable when comparing teams. Player costs will become closer over time since all NFL teams are required the spend at least 90% of the cumulative cap over a 3,3,4 year time period however in a single year it can vary greatly. For example currently the 49ers have the highest cash spending at $337,546,694 while the least are the Raiders at $218,426,166.
Forbes has already released their estimates for the 2023 season and only two teams on this list is the same in the bottom 5. The 2023 list would be Lions $56 million, Packers $60 million, Bengals $76 million, Ravens $77 million, Falcons $94 million.
If you look at revenue figures for 2022 and 2023 season however it's the same 5 teams on the bottom. (2023/2024 number in millions) Lions, ($495/$501), Bengals($498/$549), Cardinals($500/$546), Bills($503/$552), Titans($516/$561).
Weird... But the Lions sell out on a regular basis and have for years!
Not true u can look at espns attendance numbers, they were last as recently as 2021
Jags probably #1
2:33-2:48 your statement is very misleading. You have to go behind the numbers. Plus you have to the rich culture history of New Orleans. There’s a reason why New Orleans has hosted the most Super Bowl.
Culture doesn’t define numbers
The information in this video is outdated. The poster is trying to pretend it isn't.
I'm guessing the Browns are finally number 1. 😂
American football is slowly dying away as the world game has finally reached our shores.
They don't by any means print their own money. It's all about the fan. To the nlf, don't screw that up.
One other Reason that the Buccaneers struggle with Fan Base is because they have Two other NFL TEAMS to compete against in the same state.
Miami Dolphins and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
One of the....it is the most popular and wealthy league in the world.
Surprised the Bills are not on the list
They are more profitable then last year but they are still on the bottom half of the list I think 26 or 27.
The bucs will not use their stadium next season..hurricane took toof off
Maybe they’ll move
That was the rays
Detroit fans just broke the sound record last playoffs lmao they’re definitely not mid tier. The lions just sucked for years. Do an update to this list in a year or so. The Detroit pistons were sold out for years straight when they were good as well I’m sure if you looked nowadays they’d rank pretty low cuz they’ve been pretty bad. But Detroit fans for all their sports teams are insane when their teams are competitive
They will be 8-8 this year.
The Lions ownership has been taking a dump since the 70s, so I would expect that to change with the team turning the corner.
It didn’t help that the lions were bad for so long. This is the first season the will make the playoffs, that’s what I said playoffs
no NFL team has lost money in over 40+ years.