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Dropping of Death and Decay for frost and with the Pillars of Frost spell damage window with the Death and Decay up. I wouldnt put Frost at the top for sure. Ret with the least brainpower usage for DPS only for sure, Fury 2nd, then arms 3rd. A Ret doing all the things Rets can do can sometimes carry in pugs which is nice. But if DPS only they are defonitely the easiest
@@ZahryD I actually loved outlaw on S1 of DF. The crackshot talent ruined outlaw for me. Because you are so used to play outlaw really fast. So you keep mashing the buttons and if you accidentally press between the eyes even a milli second too late when the crackshot window ends. You get a CD for Between the eyes.
To be honest I only enjoy the easiest specs or specs with least buttons I want to "relax" and not execute some giga insane button hell rotations so for me more simple is better
I used to only play difficult specs. Truth is, it is really unfun to do. When I raided as outlaw after the rogue rework in DF, I was so busy with my rotation I started having trouble with mechanics. It's not like I died to them but I was so focused on my own stuff that I stopped using comms in keys or raid (where I am one of the raidleaders in my guild). Damage was really good as outlaw was one of the highest simming specs in DF season 3, but it is not like it was much better than say, a ret paladin. And the game definitely got less fun because of that.🎉 I'm gonna play an easy ass spec in TWW and it's still going to be hard to get top logs in raid, because everyone else is also playing that easy spec. I'll find the challenge measuring up against other players, not the spec itself.
i main dk since the beginning of time but for me personally frost feels harder to play good then Unholy I guess Unholy is a bit more forgiving sometime but from a not dk main perspective I agree on the list
I agree, if it's just do your basic rotation, sure frost is dead stupid easy but if you want to min max, I think it's much easier to screw up on frost than it is on unholy But I would still put both in easy or mid at highest XD
Putting frost in easiest most certainly means it isn’t being min maxed correctly. The buff maintenance and mini games are much more punishing and difficult than unholy
I also feel Frost has historically been hard. To min max it is not too much different than fire mage, the difference is Frost is easy to get the basics of whereas Fire is a bit harder to understand upfront for most players.
@@oliverkitscha5093 players not using utility does not mean using utility is hard, most players don't do content where using it matters with the way gearing up works, and most of the time is not needed And when is needed is either pre-assigned, or as a literal emergency In either case is not hard to do so, all it requires is having the monitor turned on
I miss using off gcd heroic strikes during collosal smash windows, to dump fury more effectivly you had at least some depth with it and make sure not to spen too much on it so your gc spells cant be cast. mop fury was alot of fun
I see no real need for an enhance rework after the, arguably pretty major, changes that came in last week. Opened up the talent points needed to make everything work, and lined CDs better. Its super sick.
I personally just believe you should be able to get Hailstorm, without putting 2 points into Lava lash, Which has no synergy with Hailstorm, So lava-lash and the next upgrade are throw away talents, if you want Hailstorm and Ice strike, I think it should be seperated, but besides that I agree it looks amazing!.
I think Surv is easy, you just have to understand there’s 2 separate AOE rotations depending on mob size. Once you get the feel for that it’s up there with Fury imo in terms of simplicity
Almost everyone missed in feral that if you bite bloodvines they explode for more damage, making you shift targets real rast. How is that passive? Or easy?
Can only speak on Outlaw and Enhance. I find Enhance has a lower skill floor but significantly higher skill ceiling than Outlaw. I think if Weak Auras didn’t play Outlaw for you the spec would be extremely difficult, but WA’s just simplify the buff management so much
i messed around with Survival on the beta yesterday and I have never played the spec, but it was crazy fun and after reading through its abilities in like half an hour i was having a blast in dungeons! i would say outlaw is def harder, but could be just me lol.
@@grimickles8109 I would say survival is one of the specs that gets more easy as you play it than other specs. As someone who has mained survival for a few exps now and tried it in TWW the placing is just so off.
Idk man, imho SV isnt super-hard now once you get the hang of it. It is a pretty simple priority system of what to press. I am thinking about SV or WW main and when someone has played WW before imho it just got way easier...or lets say more comfortable. That being said I havent played the real easy specs in a while so I am probably a bit biased.
Defile in terms of damage is really strong, it's usually within your top 4 to 8 overall damaging abilities and in mass pulls it's uncapped aoe so if played really well it's almost on par with epidemic
Should Tier lists consist of the hero talents instead of the specs for the war within? There are some specs where the both hero talents are so far from another that putting one spec in a specific tier does not represent either of the hero talents. Your thoughts?
I've mained ranged DPS since legion and was fully convinced I would be maining DK for tww to mix things up (and I love their lore), but I have found that I can't see shit that's happening the second I try to do group content. Questing is fine, but I don't remember this much visual clutter
oo also with WW, i mained it season 4 and one major thing to add to our now TWW rotation is gonna be tab targeting more so with tiger palm, so our SCC hits harder. Basically our blackout kick does not spread the buff to spinning crane kick too now.
The easiest melee spec in the game is the one you have thousands of hours on. The hardest is the one you've never played. Unless it's fury. Everyone knows that spec is a meme.
Hi there, good to see you guys still rocking with WoW news! I just returned to the game (i think lol) and i realy could use all the help to get back in there, thats why i watch youre vids. My problem is i own all classes and i can never chose what to play again when i start. I want good dps for sure. Atm im doubting between Lock, SP and fire mage. What would you suggest? Greetings from the Netherlands!!!
6:56 blade flurry hasn’t changed? It still generates CP in ST but it’s now going to be not really worth pressing in pure ST because it’s no longer being used to keep up slice and dice by under handed upper hand. Slice and dice is instead being kept up by a baseline passive learnt for all rogues which makes dispatch extend the duration of slice and dice.
"I would like it to be more complex and fun" new WoW player "So I need 60 add-ons that clutter my screen and 20 keybinds and 20 macros, read a novel on my class and watch videos before I can even have fun in order to play? All while getting yelled at in groups for a mistake? Pass" And yes that happened when I tried getting a friend to play And we wonder why we get no new players.
Exactly, the challenge in encounters should come from the mechanics of an individual fight, not the complexity of the classes. There’s a reason Ret paladin and BM Hunter are far and away the most popular classes…
its not true at all, you need max 5 addons and its really not hard to google how to do it. you dont need macros to play atleast decently. and its also not hard. If somebody is dumb, everything will be hard for him.
You can only put frost in easy if you have no clue how to play it. The rotation is easy, but the number of things you have to be aware of and the burst window you have make it at minimum mid to hard.
@fusionvevo6251 It's not about activation, it's about doing it well. Frost DK is bottom dps because people can't play it properly, not because it don't perform. You have to align your remorsless winter with you pillar of frost, so you buff that everytine you obliterate, the you have to spend all you best CD at the last second of pillar of frost so you have the maximum amount of strength. It's a punishing gameplay.
Nah bro, Frost is easy and it is more than fine to admit you like the chilled out specs so you can focus on the mechanics of fights. This aint a competition, you like what you like.
I’m new to wow I picked warrior because I used to watch Asmongold play wow but after watching this I think ret pal sounds cooler to me thank you for helping me decide before it’s too late 😅
The hard that comes with Fury is not developing carpal tunnel with its' high actions/min. Long time fury/prot main. I never liked Arms as much as Fury, but a night of progression raiding can set your forearms on fire...If you don't already have the stamina
I found Fury much more… “comfortable” I guess would be the right word, once I got an azeron keypad. Unfortunately I absolutely hate bladestorm (it’s animation just looks *so dumb*) so I’m probably gonna be switching to something else in TWW
IMO, melee is very hard because you have to right on top of the target who moves a lot and can't be tracked unless you have the reaction time of a teenager on some sort of illegal substance. But then they now make it so you can hit from 3 icons away (that circle around your character) it seem any fool can play melee... and this is most evident in solo shuffle as a healer... you get 3 great players for every 30 "just learning" types.
I am also very annoyed at the removal of tear open wounds from feral - I like the little mini game of biting targets with the vines on them - but I don’t think that I like it more than being able to spam PW and weave in as many bites as poss etc - gonna need a weak aura to track the vines prolly
the feral placement is weird compared to those other specs. big disagree. The variance in feral performance alone suggests otherwise. it has the widest margin between bad and good players compared to some of those other specs.
Wait, so you just said that the variance of performance is wide. The variance of player skill is wide as well. So, it is legitimately mid, it basically shows your skill level instead of lowering it if it was harder. Or increasing it like some other specs or...the entirety of warlock for the whole history of the game. Legit curious what you disagree with?
Didn't the defile ability used to have a different animation? Like wasn't it like skeleton hands or something coming out of the ground can't we just have a glyph to change the spell look?
Blizzard not fixing Defile visuals for years is the most disrespectful middle finger and shows that they do not care about the spec. All the DK changes (Unholy at least) are not what is defined as rework. Core class mechanics haven't changed.
Assa suffers a lot from the loss of Shadowdance. That said, I think if they either allowed assa access to 2 charges of Vanish or a talent that reduced vanish to a 1min CD things would get better. Also the current idea with Assa is to talent Echoing Reprimand. Mind you i do not like said talent although it made more sense when we didnt have access to 7 combo points. Now that we do... even less of a reason to want it yet Assa has no real reason to go Cold Blood these days so... i dunno, lack of options kind of screws with it. Without a Trace is kind of in a weird place on the rogue tree but i half expect that will be the play than Echoing Reprimand and just take a point from Lethality or something
lol BoS frost is probably actually closer to very hard given the gameplay is simply not designed for the gameplay types that exist in this game-- so you're constantly trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.
From what ive played, SV is by far the hardest to keep your rotation optimal, by far..... Way too much going on that you NEED to be pressing, they like 8 or 9 mandatory damaging abilities to hit, and they all come in their own little groups of synergy and mechanics. It is a straight up symphony button mashing. Not to mention the crap ton of CC and utility available. The spec is cracked and is a must for crackheads. Im going frost DK i think.
I'm curious good sir, and this is not meant to be overly critical more of a communication question: Why not do an overall video about melee dps and rate them in categories like Ease: 2/5 stars, Power: 4/5 stars at current tuning, Fun 3.5/5 stars. That would cover all 3 videos at once. Revenue/clicks, pleasing the algorithm, just enjoy making videos? I am only curious.
I totally disagree about feral it was way easier with tear open wound and im really happy its gone you would do nothing else than spam primal wrath now you get to press more than 2 buttons. And the complexty of it with now a low cd bleed is to keep rake on all target at all time snapshotted if possible.
6:55 I don’t know where you got your rogue gameplay but my god there has been very little slice and dice up time and it should always be active…. And as assassination just before you didn’t even have it up and you were pressing envenom… Slice and dice should be 100% uptime in TWW… o-O
Does anyone know if dual 1h will be on par or close to 2H for frost yet (as opposed to 2h being noticably stronger currently)? It's hinging my main pick for TWW.
how does literally everyone say SV might be the easiest rotation in the history of wow and you put it in "very hard" :D :D :D did you even play it for a second? :D
In my opinion Frost dk isnt one of the easiest speccs. i played a lot of cata classic and there it is one of the easiest speccs but in Retail it isnt. I mean the basic rotation is quiet simple but to deal high amount of dmg with frost dk is harder than ret pala or fury warrior u ranked to the "easiest" tier. DnD playstyle is a problem in m+ yeah but thats not the main reason that many ppl think frost dk is bad atm. I mean i main frost dk but many frost dks i see dont do good dmg. U have to hold up Remorseless Winter buff on u, which is very hard without bl, and on the adds. Another thing is that u dont do any relevent dmg when u not in ure pillar of frost so it is very important to do high dmg in a 12sec window but im glad to see a dw froststrike build for frost dk in tww maybe we do some more dmg outside of ure pillar window. I dont played the beta yet but i think Blizzard helps frost dk to deal high sustained dmg outside of our pillar window
ah sub rogue was fine in the beginning of DF, but not its really a mess if u ask me. but it has the better heros than assa. the heros of assa are so lame right now
Damn, at least watch someone else's video to get an idea of the spec. I skipped to Havoc and it was clear that this guy didn't know his stuff at all. Lots of wrong information (orbs are sucked up now) and missing the most important reason why the reaver spec is hard to play. Namely lining up 8+ damage windows.
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Dropping of Death and Decay for frost and with the Pillars of Frost spell damage window with the Death and Decay up.
I wouldnt put Frost at the top for sure.
Ret with the least brainpower usage for DPS only for sure, Fury 2nd, then arms 3rd.
A Ret doing all the things Rets can do can sometimes carry in pugs which is nice. But if DPS only they are defonitely the easiest
To play outlaw, if you drink at least five cups of coffee before playing and are immune to carpal tunnel it gets easier.
lmao xDDDD
This is so true. I tried Outlaw in S3 of DF and my wrist was smashed. I had to switch back to Warlock.
@@ZahryD i dont like roll the bones random shiet and also the other spec with vanish
@@ZahryD I actually loved outlaw on S1 of DF.
The crackshot talent ruined outlaw for me.
Because you are so used to play outlaw really fast. So you keep mashing the buttons and if you accidentally press between the eyes even a milli second too late when the crackshot window ends. You get a CD for Between the eyes.
My hand feels this
Tier list for best classes in Delves!! That would be an interesting video!
Top 6 is easy: It's every tank spec. Afterwards you get the DPS classes with most control and/or sustain, so beast mastery and frost mage.
1) Tanks
2) Pet Classes
3) Tanky dps specs
4) Everyone else
Just play. Dont meta game. Its gay
3rd, and crossing fingers that DW-Deathbringer Frost-DK will rule over the whole Saga, winter is coming!
hammer comming next week. ur dead brof. boom, hit , dead, nuked. gone byebye.
me too fam
Hell yeah we all on the copium train
Gave up on frost in sl and just switched to unholy
Hyped to go back to WW main
good time to do so!
@@MarcelianOnline sounds like it! Your videos convinced me, thanks for all your work bro
I mained ww since mop my fav spec but quit playing in df bc it was the same for last 3 expansions feels good to be playing it again
To be honest I only enjoy the easiest specs or specs with least buttons I want to "relax" and not execute some giga insane button hell rotations so for me more simple is better
I used to only play difficult specs. Truth is, it is really unfun to do. When I raided as outlaw after the rogue rework in DF, I was so busy with my rotation I started having trouble with mechanics. It's not like I died to them but I was so focused on my own stuff that I stopped using comms in keys or raid (where I am one of the raidleaders in my guild). Damage was really good as outlaw was one of the highest simming specs in DF season 3, but it is not like it was much better than say, a ret paladin. And the game definitely got less fun because of that.🎉
I'm gonna play an easy ass spec in TWW and it's still going to be hard to get top logs in raid, because everyone else is also playing that easy spec. I'll find the challenge measuring up against other players, not the spec itself.
Cool, nobody cares though
@@NachosMitDip I feel the same way
@@Nickball97 Damn bro. I bet you're on wowhead daily asking for hunter buffs. What's the hate for?
@@Nickball97I mean, you cared enough to comment so…
i main dk since the beginning of time but for me personally frost feels harder to play good then Unholy I guess Unholy is a bit more forgiving sometime but from a not dk main perspective I agree on the list
That could be true, there are fewer obvious things frost can do to improve I suppose
I agree, if it's just do your basic rotation, sure frost is dead stupid easy but if you want to min max, I think it's much easier to screw up on frost than it is on unholy
But I would still put both in easy or mid at highest XD
Putting frost in easiest most certainly means it isn’t being min maxed correctly. The buff maintenance and mini games are much more punishing and difficult than unholy
I also feel Frost has historically been hard. To min max it is not too much different than fire mage, the difference is Frost is easy to get the basics of whereas Fire is a bit harder to understand upfront for most players.
Completely agree with you, i think frost is way harder to pull off in the hard content than unholy for these reason.
In my opinion, if you think retribution is easier than Frost, it's because the only part of the Paladin kit you interact with is the damage abilities.
They are just pandering to their audience of mouth breathers who can't think for themselves.
I feel like the depth of ret comes from when to use important utility.
That's how its always been, most people forget they have that utility though.
100%
Lol, not true, using utility is not hard, this is a sign you don't play the spec to a level where it matters
@@emetsalt2678 it's not hard but a large part of players don't or won't use it properly. I think thats was he want to say...
@@oliverkitscha5093 players not using utility does not mean using utility is hard, most players don't do content where using it matters with the way gearing up works, and most of the time is not needed
And when is needed is either pre-assigned, or as a literal emergency
In either case is not hard to do so, all it requires is having the monitor turned on
ENHANEMENT SHAMAN!!!! Wooooooooo!
I miss using off gcd heroic strikes during collosal smash windows, to dump fury more effectivly you had at least some depth with it and make sure not to spen too much on it so your gc spells cant be cast. mop fury was alot of fun
I see no real need for an enhance rework after the, arguably pretty major, changes that came in last week. Opened up the talent points needed to make everything work, and lined CDs better. Its super sick.
I personally just believe you should be able to get Hailstorm, without putting 2 points into Lava lash, Which has no synergy with Hailstorm, So lava-lash and the next upgrade are throw away talents, if you want Hailstorm and Ice strike, I think it should be seperated, but besides that I agree it looks amazing!.
Too many key binds. Ice strike hailstorm interaction with frost shock is frustrating. Tab targeting sucks. 12 rotational buttons for aoe is just crazy
This is what I’ve been waiting for!! Thank you brother!
No problem!!
Survival is gonna be one of the hardest speccs? Challenge accepted.
Same!
Don't think so but it's all about fun! 🔥
I found it pretty straight fwd and therefore “easy” on the beta… tons of fun btw… and it slaps!
I think Surv is easy, you just have to understand there’s 2 separate AOE rotations depending on mob size. Once you get the feel for that it’s up there with Fury imo in terms of simplicity
Surv is not hard. I would say mid, but its getting new resource in form of tip of the spear, which can be harder for someone.
When is the tier list of your tier lists?
Maybe we should all make tier lists of their tier lists for them to then gather all our tier lists into a tier list
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Almost everyone missed in feral that if you bite bloodvines they explode for more damage, making you shift targets real rast. How is that passive? Or easy?
Trivialized by WA and tab targetting , not even remotely hard compared to the specs in the hard/hardest categories
Can only speak on Outlaw and Enhance. I find Enhance has a lower skill floor but significantly higher skill ceiling than Outlaw. I think if Weak Auras didn’t play Outlaw for you the spec would be extremely difficult, but WA’s just simplify the buff management so much
i messed around with Survival on the beta yesterday and I have never played the spec, but it was crazy fun and after reading through its abilities in like half an hour i was having a blast in dungeons! i would say outlaw is def harder, but could be just me lol.
Wouldn’t say survival is ‘hard’, you just have to know how to spend the tip stacks
can you provide a brief explanation on this, im genuinely interested in knowing why this was considered hard.
@@grimickles8109 I would say survival is one of the specs that gets more easy as you play it than other specs. As someone who has mained survival for a few exps now and tried it in TWW the placing is just so off.
thx for putting my class b4 the ad
Frosty will be my main this exp. Pretty excited!
Fury is one of those specs that is easy in the beginning but later in life, when you have RSI from playing it, it becomes a little more difficult.
I have to say I enjoy the simpler classes to play. I am not trying to remember a Mortal Kombat 100% combo +Fatality to play something haha
is anyone actually glad tirna scithe is back? anyone? hello? crickets? Nope didn't think so lol.
bro in no way is sv rotation hard
Idk man, imho SV isnt super-hard now once you get the hang of it. It is a pretty simple priority system of what to press. I am thinking about SV or WW main and when someone has played WW before imho it just got way easier...or lets say more comfortable. That being said I havent played the real easy specs in a while so I am probably a bit biased.
Going back to pally after being a lock this last expac. Looking forward to finally playing around with the rework!
It's so much fun! The dmg profile is really fine a little lack in ST but paly is a utility monster if it will be used! 🔥
My favorite melee spec is assassination rogue, I hope they’re going to be viable
Defile in terms of damage is really strong, it's usually within your top 4 to 8 overall damaging abilities and in mass pulls it's uncapped aoe so if played really well it's almost on par with epidemic
Unholy Blight is now a passive and made the rotation and rotation a bit more easier to manage
WA doesnt make outlaw easier, its unplayable without weakauras
Should Tier lists consist of the hero talents instead of the specs for the war within? There are some specs where the both hero talents are so far from another that putting one spec in a specific tier does not represent either of the hero talents. Your thoughts?
Weekend warrior! Thanks for all the content!
I've mained ranged DPS since legion and was fully convinced I would be maining DK for tww to mix things up (and I love their lore), but I have found that I can't see shit that's happening the second I try to do group content. Questing is fine, but I don't remember this much visual clutter
oo also with WW, i mained it season 4 and one major thing to add to our now TWW rotation is gonna be tab targeting more so with tiger palm, so our SCC hits harder. Basically our blackout kick does not spread the buff to spinning crane kick too now.
Back to how it used to be lol
you only need to TP twice with SEF, and then refresh the stacks pack-to-pack. it's not that hard
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The easiest melee spec in the game is the one you have thousands of hours on. The hardest is the one you've never played. Unless it's fury. Everyone knows that spec is a meme.
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I kind of agree with the most but come on, survival and windwalker hard? two EZ specs.
Hi there, good to see you guys still rocking with WoW news! I just returned to the game (i think lol) and i realy could use all the help to get back in there, thats why i watch youre vids. My problem is i own all classes and i can never chose what to play again when i start. I want good dps for sure. Atm im doubting between Lock, SP and fire mage. What would you suggest? Greetings from the Netherlands!!!
6:56 blade flurry hasn’t changed? It still generates CP in ST but it’s now going to be not really worth pressing in pure ST because it’s no longer being used to keep up slice and dice by under handed upper hand. Slice and dice is instead being kept up by a baseline passive learnt for all rogues which makes dispatch extend the duration of slice and dice.
"I would like it to be more complex and fun"
new WoW player "So I need 60 add-ons that clutter my screen and 20 keybinds and 20 macros, read a novel on my class and watch videos before I can even have fun in order to play? All while getting yelled at in groups for a mistake? Pass"
And yes that happened when I tried getting a friend to play
And we wonder why we get no new players.
Exactly, the challenge in encounters should come from the mechanics of an individual fight, not the complexity of the classes. There’s a reason Ret paladin and BM Hunter are far and away the most popular classes…
and 30 of them do nothing
there is absolutely no spec or class that requires you have to 60 addons (or any addon) to be successful in pve. or really any macros
@@pepelechad536 Tell that to actual raiders 🤣
its not true at all, you need max 5 addons and its really not hard to google how to do it. you dont need macros to play atleast decently. and its also not hard. If somebody is dumb, everything will be hard for him.
You can only put frost in easy if you have no clue how to play it. The rotation is easy, but the number of things you have to be aware of and the burst window you have make it at minimum mid to hard.
Activating a cooldown is not hard
@fusionvevo6251 It's not about activation, it's about doing it well. Frost DK is bottom dps because people can't play it properly, not because it don't perform.
You have to align your remorsless winter with you pillar of frost, so you buff that everytine you obliterate, the you have to spend all you best CD at the last second of pillar of frost so you have the maximum amount of strength. It's a punishing gameplay.
Nah bro, Frost is easy and it is more than fine to admit you like the chilled out specs so you can focus on the mechanics of fights. This aint a competition, you like what you like.
Thanks for this. Can you update the ranged easy to play tier list and this 1 before release? Not everybody likes to play difficult specs
What exactly makes Havoc hard to play ??.?
Unholy in the same level like Havoc? May be he means same level with frost DK? xD
only thing I would change is I would put WW in easy. Its massively oversold how difficult it is just nobody plays it so they dont know pahaha
I think frost is slightly harder than arms or fury now because you need to tab target to hit shattering blades. Still on the easier side though.
I’m new to wow I picked warrior because I used to watch Asmongold play wow but after watching this I think ret pal sounds cooler to me thank you for helping me decide before it’s too late 😅
Cant wait for a ranged video.
The hard that comes with Fury is not developing carpal tunnel with its' high actions/min. Long time fury/prot main. I never liked Arms as much as Fury, but a night of progression raiding can set your forearms on fire...If you don't already have the stamina
I found Fury much more… “comfortable” I guess would be the right word, once I got an azeron keypad. Unfortunately I absolutely hate bladestorm (it’s animation just looks *so dumb*) so I’m probably gonna be switching to something else in TWW
Orbs and Momentum just ruin Havoc gameplay for me ... which sucks because I'd love to play DH
IMO, melee is very hard because you have to right on top of the target who moves a lot and can't be tracked unless you have the reaction time of a teenager on some sort of illegal substance. But then they now make it so you can hit from 3 icons away (that circle around your character) it seem any fool can play melee... and this is most evident in solo shuffle as a healer... you get 3 great players for every 30 "just learning" types.
DnD/Defile is bad design, should absolutely be an Aura or a presence on CD. bring back presences BLIZZ!
You speak nothing but the truth. That is my one huge gripe with Death Knights
that's why you have to macro castsequence it
I am also very annoyed at the removal of tear open wounds from feral - I like the little mini game of biting targets with the vines on them - but I don’t think that I like it more than being able to spam PW and weave in as many bites as poss etc - gonna need a weak aura to track the vines prolly
That tiny neck intro shot.
I'm going from maining boomkin to frost dk!
the feral placement is weird compared to those other specs. big disagree. The variance in feral performance alone suggests otherwise. it has the widest margin between bad and good players compared to some of those other specs.
or is it because it's a very unpopular spec and boomies playing feral can't play it properly?
Wait, so you just said that the variance of performance is wide. The variance of player skill is wide as well. So, it is legitimately mid, it basically shows your skill level instead of lowering it if it was harder. Or increasing it like some other specs or...the entirety of warlock for the whole history of the game.
Legit curious what you disagree with?
My main is aff lock but my second main is SV Hunter and Frost DK is my 3rd.
Didn't the defile ability used to have a different animation? Like wasn't it like skeleton hands or something coming out of the ground can't we just have a glyph to change the spell look?
Blizzard not fixing Defile visuals for years is the most disrespectful middle finger and shows that they do not care about the spec.
All the DK changes (Unholy at least) are not what is defined as rework. Core class mechanics haven't changed.
People say ret is easy then they overcap holy power and have no clue how to use execution sentence and align it with cds
So the cooldown balancing for UH is gone now? That was always the most annoying part for me.
I would say it’s been shortened to the point of being very automatic and more second nature, as opposed to going away completely.
Assa suffers a lot from the loss of Shadowdance. That said, I think if they either allowed assa access to 2 charges of Vanish or a talent that reduced vanish to a 1min CD things would get better. Also the current idea with Assa is to talent Echoing Reprimand. Mind you i do not like said talent although it made more sense when we didnt have access to 7 combo points. Now that we do... even less of a reason to want it yet Assa has no real reason to go Cold Blood these days so... i dunno, lack of options kind of screws with it.
Without a Trace is kind of in a weird place on the rogue tree but i half expect that will be the play than Echoing Reprimand and just take a point from Lethality or something
lol BoS frost is probably actually closer to very hard given the gameplay is simply not designed for the gameplay types that exist in this game-- so you're constantly trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.
harder doesn't equal to better
The only thing i find hard with monk on faeline stomp is when to use it, do i use it when it procs or should i do more more damaging attacks....
From what ive played, SV is by far the hardest to keep your rotation optimal, by far.....
Way too much going on that you NEED to be pressing, they like 8 or 9 mandatory damaging abilities to hit, and they all come in their own little groups of synergy and mechanics.
It is a straight up symphony button mashing.
Not to mention the crap ton of CC and utility available. The spec is cracked and is a must for crackheads. Im going frost DK i think.
Confirmed Feral Druid is mid.
Love the fantasy of rogue but not actually playing rogue.
I'm curious good sir, and this is not meant to be overly critical more of a communication question: Why not do an overall video about melee dps and rate them in categories like Ease: 2/5 stars, Power: 4/5 stars at current tuning, Fun 3.5/5 stars. That would cover all 3 videos at once.
Revenue/clicks, pleasing the algorithm, just enjoy making videos? I am only curious.
I totally disagree about feral it was way easier with tear open wound and im really happy its gone you would do nothing else than spam primal wrath now you get to press more than 2 buttons. And the complexty of it with now a low cd bleed is to keep rake on all target at all time snapshotted if possible.
I very much disagree with Survival hunter's placement. It is around the easiest melee spec to play in my opinion and get good numbers.
im not sure why you are so biased about arms.
survival really isnt that hard, you just press KC before your big booms.
6:55 I don’t know where you got your rogue gameplay but my god there has been very little slice and dice up time and it should always be active….
And as assassination just before you didn’t even have it up and you were pressing envenom…
Slice and dice should be 100% uptime in TWW… o-O
Every tierlist buts unholy as hard, i dont know if this is some trolling or every tierlist maker has braindamage. Unholy is easy.
can someone explain snapshotting for dummies
There it is!! Thank you sir, excited to see this one!!!
Hope you like it!
Outlaw without weak auras is just unplayable
FLAMEshock!
Rogue worst and hardest lets gooo
When you thought you had it all :)))
Vamos, vamos!
Gracias, senoras :)
You apparently have never played enhancment
Where is the best class for delves video😂?
survival hunter is easiest
Does anyone know if dual 1h will be on par or close to 2H for frost yet (as opposed to 2h being noticably stronger currently)? It's hinging my main pick for TWW.
I like DW with shattering blade explosion
LOL How is DH hard?
Hope sin rogue becomes viable. Thanks for the video! Slowly deciding whether to lean towards survival hunter over rogue as a whole
how does literally everyone say SV might be the easiest rotation in the history of wow and you put it in "very hard" :D :D :D did you even play it for a second? :D
In my opinion Frost dk isnt one of the easiest speccs. i played a lot of cata classic and there it is one of the easiest speccs but in Retail it isnt. I mean the basic rotation is quiet simple but to deal high amount of dmg with frost dk is harder than ret pala or fury warrior u ranked to the "easiest" tier. DnD playstyle is a problem in m+ yeah but thats not the main reason that many ppl think frost dk is bad atm. I mean i main frost dk but many frost dks i see dont do good dmg. U have to hold up Remorseless Winter buff on u, which is very hard without bl, and on the adds. Another thing is that u dont do any relevent dmg when u not in ure pillar of frost so it is very important to do high dmg in a 12sec window but im glad to see a dw froststrike build for frost dk in tww maybe we do some more dmg outside of ure pillar window. I dont played the beta yet but i think Blizzard helps frost dk to deal high sustained dmg outside of our pillar window
My mind explodes when people say unholy is hard to play. You swifty macro your cooldowns and spam death coil… lmfao
Mind sharing said macro?
ah sub rogue was fine in the beginning of DF, but not its really a mess if u ask me. but it has the better heros than assa. the heros of assa are so lame right now
Ready to get headache day one because of Killing Spree camera 🫡
Torn between ret and unholy dk for my main what whould you choose
I think UH is a lot more interesting rotationally and regarding class fantasy too. Bonus of having a 2nd dps spec too.
Do both. Those are two of my mains as well
Ret is so insanly strong for group content utility wise if the big package will be used! Its so much fun! Old warrior main by the way...
lets goo
Enjoy!
Survival is ez
Damn, at least watch someone else's video to get an idea of the spec. I skipped to Havoc and it was clear that this guy didn't know his stuff at all. Lots of wrong information (orbs are sucked up now) and missing the most important reason why the reaver spec is hard to play. Namely lining up 8+ damage windows.
personally I think 2H Frost DK is the easiest spec right now
Saying frost is easy means you didnt play frost at all
Try to maintain your BOS without training is very frustrating
most people play oblit instead, einstein.
@@lt2064 guess you dont know what youre talking about
I don't get the Google lens all the time..