"Guys, yo guys! No, but with mage it's OK, because it's... my main, but the rest, yeah they need to get nerfed ASAP! No bias here, all rational... *caugh*" 😂😂😂
The problem with this test is that you are looking at burst damage in isolation. Nerfing any class because of this may severely affect their overall playability. Blizzard has a history of nerfing classes so hard at times that people stop playing them.
the difference between mages and the rest is, that the mages require a ramp up. So in reality they aren't doing that damage in those 3 seconds. but the warrior just needs the CD's to do that damage
Well thank you. I've always been a druid main, I've played all specs and loved them all. I've been trying to decide which spec to play in the War Within, and now I know I'm going to be a kitty.
Its kinda weird that all the classes are so uniform in their kill times. The sustain dmg classes kill just as fast as the classes that are traditionally burst classes.
Bursting and Sustained DPS should have similar ttks imo. Some classes are better doing continuous damage, some are better finishing off the 30% hp player. I get what you mean but makes sense that for 100% they take similar times.
Fury is the most broken imo because there was very little pre buffing, dude just went in there and did it where feral and arcane it took a good 4 seconds before combat.
"You forgot about the tank monk" Oh yeah he says the tank monk should probably be nerfed too!!! At the very last instant of the video is so fulfilling after investing 30 minutes of my time I end with smiles and thank you Xaryu for being a beacon to stay updated with for a very long time now.
Sooooo 2secs on mage is fine coz he prepd before,but the same thing with feral is not? When feral is meele so it need to come to u instead of blasting from the far.
Burst damage doesn’t mean much on a low HP target. It all depends on critical hit chance. Someone who is unlucky might burst in 6 seconds, but the same person with 100% critical hits could reduce it to 2 seconds.
I know the druid hit hard AF, but he got combo points on the target dummy and ran in fully buffed. Not saying it shouldn't be looked at but keep in mind you wont often have this happen to you. You'll likely at least have the druid open on you or someone close and you could react. That damage was wild still.
U can burst much faster on affli is you stack nightfalls. Just jinx them of the UA global. And use your 3 instant casts with a dark glare and it’s probs sub 4. Actually if you soul swap before you free up a global for even faster burst with the soul rot or haunt on a dummy as well. Burst is pretty wild but it does need stacks to compete
I think that all ranged classes burst dps should be lower than the burst dps of leather wearing melee classes. They don't have much mitigation so theyre defense is removing the threat with offensive tactics. Ranged classes can just kite free damage. In order of conceptual design: leather melee - 4.0s cloth ranged - 4.5s leather ranged - 5.0s mail melee - 5.5s plate melee - 6.0s This makes sense to me logically. mail and plate melee should have tools in their kit to deal with leather melee
The difference with melee damage is that it's affected by armor, a cloth user should die in like 1s and a plate user in 4 seconds from that trampled up druid. Im pretty surprised that this was not mentioned by anyone.
So fury, feral, and all 3 mage specs? I know Xaryu is biased but no class should have a TTK of 2.5 seconds or less. Much less 2 mages specs and almost the 3rd
I just made an ele sham for TWW, after not playing that class for a long time, and I feel like an absolute god lol. Idk if the class is that good or not but it feels good.
Let's be honest no other arcane mage is gonna slap as hard as the Rank 1 solo shuffle arcane mage. The fury warrior and feral ramp to get to that damage is pretty long.
People talking about fury despite the fact that he started with 100 fury, full CDs. Wind up to that would have easily been a couple of seconds of poor damage.
The feral ramp up can take almost 10 seconds by itself same with a few other classes,these types of videos are cool but in a arena setting for you to get everything lined up then smoke someone in 2-4 seconds in not likely especially at a higher skilled rating and a lot of these people playing like you said are different skill level so classes that look “slow” might not be as slow as a Mglad or even 2200+ players
I feel like the one-shots in the video were not accurate. In reality they are much faster. It was almost as if people were purposely taking longer so their classes/specs won't get nerfed. They didn't even use the target dummy for ramp up like they did in Palumor's one-shot video a while back. It's blaringly obvious when many classes are builder/spenders that their spending phase would be where they power is at, so why would they NOT ramp up and build on the dummy first? Think about it. I also feel like many of the tier lists may need to get revised since melee classes seem to be owning BGs in TWW in early access. Ret Paladins are insane in BGs and keep getting listed low on tier lists. Possibly this has to do with the whole "Pre-made Group" thing but it was also happening in Battleground Blitz when played with fully geared characters.
When the fuck is a high lvl player going to sit in the open and let an arcane mage do that, people who dont play mage see that and think its broken, play arcane for a few hundred arenas and tell me its that broken. Interuppt either surge or missiles and there is no damage for another minute.
It's broken. Say he gets somehow ramped, you dont pay attention ur dead in sub 2 seconds. You'll never get to see a melee delete a target in 2 secs, arcane actually has the damage to burst thru heals too while ramped w 0 issue lol
bro mage is broken and has been since the rework they simply have too much of everything they are now the tankiest caster in the game with the highest damage and mobility and add frost mage perma root its just too much to deal with
@@DanielSmith-r3t Why PvP is in the gutter, id say 95% if not more of the community only PvE's because tbh it's just getting better and better. I think Xar made a video explaining why he thinks PvP in things below legion were better & i agree. Too many spells now, too much util on almost every singular class. It's just gotta be aids to balance PvP atp
Hybrid classes should never have higher burst than a pure dps class. Don't nerf Mages, instead buff Hunters, Rogues, Locks. Then slight buffs for DH, DK. Nerf Feral Druid and Furry Warrior.
fury hasnt been relevant in years, even in PvE arms has been dominant (debatedly) even regardless of how good they were in pvp w fury being an afterthought and essentially an only PvE class that was either with arms at the same playing field or behind it. Fury deservers an xpac of pure dominantion in the warrior spec
Feral's more squishy than mage so, no Xaryu no. Mage is able to burst so much due to cast timers as compared to fury. And fury no sustain just raw damage. Plus all are ramping. Also feral's a very timed chaotic/hectic play style.
Fury warr had to hit the target dummy with raging strikes to max his stacks and then bladestorm to give raging blow a massive buff. there was prep... he didnt just click a button and do that in 3 seconds
in my opinion sub rogue as a class and specialization that is supposed to kill from the shadows on one rotation should be in the top and not some arcane mage or tank monk, cmon
Arcane is not s tier dude if 2 melee sit on you and press saves on arcane surge u are doomed. Ofc arcane has one of the highest skill caps so it would work with r1 players but it’s not a really good experience even for decent mage. Frost is much easier and overall better
@@andmat3297 Frost's kit>>> arcane is just so ass compared to the rest of the class its just sad. I'm glad fury and arcane got love for pvp now, it's been a long time coming
Man f**k the idea that this is alright what they do with Mages, every patch since Lich King, one shot or second shot and you're dead. How is that okay omg?!?
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Always a good dude keep it up. Make me want to be better.
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hello XQC
Where is resto druid? With convoke he can beat all the healers no problem.
My girlfriend does not think it’s a “healthy” thing that I burst in 5 seconds .
Hard to go longer sometimes 😂
If you can burst every two mins, it might not be that bad though
😂😂😂
"Guys, yo guys! No, but with mage it's OK, because it's... my main, but the rest, yeah they need to get nerfed ASAP! No bias here, all rational... *caugh*" 😂😂😂
Lol yeah man he couldnt give a good reason why its ok... "It's ok because its harder to play" what a dumb excuse.
You must be new here...
It amazes me how people dont know irony in 2024 😂😂😂
@@TheBrunobrogueira That is definetly true 😂
Arcane mage has like a 8 second ramp time lmao
The problem with this test is that you are looking at burst damage in isolation. Nerfing any class because of this may severely affect their overall playability. Blizzard has a history of nerfing classes so hard at times that people stop playing them.
the difference between mages and the rest is, that the mages require a ramp up. So in reality they aren't doing that damage in those 3 seconds. but the warrior just needs the CD's to do that damage
the ramp up is the 10000000 minutes cc they have on you dude how about they would remove all that mobility and cc and would be fine then
Here are two content creators helping each other sharing and building an audience, love to see it.
whoever did havoc didn't do a burst rotation
Ye seems like he did ass to me 😅
The bias comes out.
that first destro lock had absolutely NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE DOIN .
it was the smartest play honestly. Dodging that pvp nerf, but screwing his rotation
Well thank you. I've always been a druid main, I've played all specs and loved them all. I've been trying to decide which spec to play in the War Within, and now I know I'm going to be a kitty.
the video loops at 21:43 and replays the part from 12:58, very interesting vid tho!
theres this thing called editing. seems like the editor accidentlly put it twice
@@dhousegaming5010 and there is also thing called watching whole video before posting it on RUclips
@@MareSrbija oof
Its kinda weird that all the classes are so uniform in their kill times. The sustain dmg classes kill just as fast as the classes that are traditionally burst classes.
seems weird that the aff lock was on par with the other classes, no ramp up needed.
Bursting and Sustained DPS should have similar ttks imo. Some classes are better doing continuous damage, some are better finishing off the 30% hp player. I get what you mean but makes sense that for 100% they take similar times.
Reminds me of Swifty's video in MoP. Probably where he got the idea from!
These vids go way furder back then mop or swifty
Fury is the most broken imo because there was very little pre buffing, dude just went in there and did it where feral and arcane it took a good 4 seconds before combat.
"You forgot about the tank monk" Oh yeah he says the tank monk should probably be nerfed too!!! At the very last instant of the video is so fulfilling after investing 30 minutes of my time I end with smiles and thank you Xaryu for being a beacon to stay updated with for a very long time now.
Bro when the brewmaster just did 4sec kill, as a tank and he stopped the vid. “That’s a problem , that needs addressed” I fucking lost it
monks have been a problem past 2 expansions nothing new
Sooooo 2secs on mage is fine coz he prepd before,but the same thing with feral is not? When feral is meele so it need to come to u instead of blasting from the far.
14:45 starts my favorite part. You played great 👍🏻
Burst damage doesn’t mean much on a low HP target. It all depends on critical hit chance. Someone who is unlucky might burst in 6 seconds, but the same person with 100% critical hits could reduce it to 2 seconds.
Why did Bicmex start with rapid fire and then cast aimed shot? Wouldn't it have saved time the other way around?
I know the druid hit hard AF, but he got combo points on the target dummy and ran in fully buffed. Not saying it shouldn't be looked at but keep in mind you wont often have this happen to you. You'll likely at least have the druid open on you or someone close and you could react. That damage was wild still.
So what is the healthy meta 5 or 6.... or 4 or 5 pick one
If your burst takes longer than it takes me to bust we got issues.
love how that pres didnt even use devestation after the flame breath he woulda had a way faster kill
remember the time when lava eruption was released? It felt sooooooo amazing, BOOM 10K :D
You mean lava burst? Back in Wrath? :P
U can burst much faster on affli is you stack nightfalls. Just jinx them of the UA global. And use your 3 instant casts with a dark glare and it’s probs sub 4.
Actually if you soul swap before you free up a global for even faster burst with the soul rot or haunt on a dummy as well. Burst is pretty wild but it does need stacks to compete
no soulswap is mind blowing, we're talking 3.5 seconds late hahaha. I believe soulswap darkglare 2 bolts one instant MR kills
lol this was a lot of fun. Feral is fine the dude sat at the dummy for a while to get the exodia procs
what is that hat called that Xar has on his mage?
that destro lock was AWEFUL, redo destro.
'This is gooood content, let me leech of this'
Seems to be the mindset of every big streamer. React is the rage these days.
Mage bias right there, go feral lol.
All jokes aside love to see warriors thrive (dk main here).
I think that all ranged classes burst dps should be lower than the burst dps of leather wearing melee classes. They don't have much mitigation so theyre defense is removing the threat with offensive tactics. Ranged classes can just kite free damage.
In order of conceptual design:
leather melee - 4.0s
cloth ranged - 4.5s
leather ranged - 5.0s
mail melee - 5.5s
plate melee - 6.0s
This makes sense to me logically. mail and plate melee should have tools in their kit to deal with leather melee
video is looped twice, but great video @xaryu
Fury warrior was Dragons roar, into Avatar, Recklessness, Bloodthirst, Raging blow, Whirlwind, Sudden Death proc, Execute, Execute, lucky SD proc.
Does anybody know where we can watch the cvarks videos?
It didn't look like ele sham had a ramp up at the end there tho. Looked like a 6 sec raw start.
I love your commentary on the arcane mage 😂lol
Enhance Shammy with Tempest 10 stack Maelstrom?!?!?!
The difference with melee damage is that it's affected by armor, a cloth user should die in like 1s and a plate user in 4 seconds from that trampled up druid. Im pretty surprised that this was not mentioned by anyone.
it doesnt change the fact that certain specs kill faster than others?
So fury, feral, and all 3 mage specs? I know Xaryu is biased but no class should have a TTK of 2.5 seconds or less. Much less 2 mages specs and almost the 3rd
Man struggled hard to explain the arcane mage burst 😂😂😂
No outlaw?
I just made an ele sham for TWW, after not playing that class for a long time, and I feel like an absolute god lol. Idk if the class is that good or not but it feels good.
I like your take on the mage reason....LOL
Let's be honest no other arcane mage is gonna slap as hard as the Rank 1 solo shuffle arcane mage. The fury warrior and feral ramp to get to that damage is pretty long.
feel like bicemex didnt rep SV hunter properly both his MM and sv rotation seemed scuffed
Xar content is... great again??? W
as a bm hunter main, i'm always content when we are in the middle of the pack, pun intended :)
People talking about fury despite the fact that he started with 100 fury, full CDs. Wind up to that would have easily been a couple of seconds of poor damage.
"Rextroy is next up but hes still on fp from ashenvale"
*dies*
The feral ramp up can take almost 10 seconds by itself same with a few other classes,these types of videos are cool but in a arena setting for you to get everything lined up then smoke someone in 2-4 seconds in not likely especially at a higher skilled rating and a lot of these people playing like you said are different skill level so classes that look “slow” might not be as slow as a Mglad or even 2200+ players
is there any version of wow where mage isnt busted ? they really seem to love the mage
I feel like the one-shots in the video were not accurate. In reality they are much faster. It was almost as if people were purposely taking longer so their classes/specs won't get nerfed. They didn't even use the target dummy for ramp up like they did in Palumor's one-shot video a while back. It's blaringly obvious when many classes are builder/spenders that their spending phase would be where they power is at, so why would they NOT ramp up and build on the dummy first? Think about it. I also feel like many of the tier lists may need to get revised since melee classes seem to be owning BGs in TWW in early access. Ret Paladins are insane in BGs and keep getting listed low on tier lists. Possibly this has to do with the whole "Pre-made Group" thing but it was also happening in Battleground Blitz when played with fully geared characters.
Furry warrior is intense damage but to do that they have to take 50% increased damage. Which I think balances it
Time stamps please
feral druid might be the fastest kill time but it takes like 10 seconds to ramp up -- so in reality its slower than some healers lmao
17:35 -- stat squish was a long time ago... people were ending dragonflight with 1-2 million HP as dps
When the fuck is a high lvl player going to sit in the open and let an arcane mage do that, people who dont play mage see that and think its broken, play arcane for a few hundred arenas and tell me its that broken. Interuppt either surge or missiles and there is no damage for another minute.
It's broken. Say he gets somehow ramped, you dont pay attention ur dead in sub 2 seconds. You'll never get to see a melee delete a target in 2 secs, arcane actually has the damage to burst thru heals too while ramped w 0 issue lol
bro mage is broken and has been since the rework they simply have too much of everything they are now the tankiest caster in the game with the highest damage and mobility and add frost mage perma root its just too much to deal with
@@DanielSmith-r3t Why PvP is in the gutter, id say 95% if not more of the community only PvE's because tbh it's just getting better and better. I think Xar made a video explaining why he thinks PvP in things below legion were better & i agree. Too many spells now, too much util on almost every singular class. It's just gotta be aids to balance PvP atp
Ok ok ok ... feral... it didnt take him 2s to burst.... before he could finnish with the burst pre work for that 10-13 sec?
dat laugh omg
it would be great to know how many abilities were pressed by each class.
No ramping please
Where is boomkin?
the feral also took 20 sec to get every proc up
We are also assuming the target has 100% hp 😂
Bm and unholy have so many pets it screws with my brain when pvpin at least haha.
But not Demo?
That frost DK was HORRIBLE
sad that speccs are not shown because lava ele is dead :-D show lightning farseer and its about 2s
Fun fact : nobody plays feral ravage lol. it hits only 5% harder then furocious bite so not worth it at all. wildstalker all the way
Hybrid classes should never have higher burst than a pure dps class. Don't nerf Mages, instead buff Hunters, Rogues, Locks. Then slight buffs for DH, DK.
Nerf Feral Druid and Furry Warrior.
What is the random cut at 21:46 lol
I think it was the end, but editor accidentally added the last 3rd duplicated?
0:04 what is that luagh 😂
That’s this man’s laugh. He always does that. Lol.
Fake.
6 million is way too high of a number. Think we can all agree on that.
Fury War being good in PvP is a LOOOOOOOOONG time coming. About damn time
fury hasnt been relevant in years, even in PvE arms has been dominant (debatedly) even regardless of how good they were in pvp w fury being an afterthought and essentially an only PvE class that was either with arms at the same playing field or behind it. Fury deservers an xpac of pure dominantion in the warrior spec
theyve been good for a while
Wdym? Fury has been strong a good min
@@kye1589 2 sec ttk strong?
@@lndigoh Fury stomped on shadowlands and was still solid in DF
what i saw is that fury needs a nerf... feral is fine cause he had full combo points and pre buffs... mage is fine maybe frost needs a small nerf
most concerning part is brewmaster outperforming windwalker
Like how did he or she do that I need to know
Feral's more squishy than mage so, no Xaryu no. Mage is able to burst so much due to cast timers as compared to fury. And fury no sustain just raw damage. Plus all are ramping. Also feral's a very timed chaotic/hectic play style.
Fury warr had to hit the target dummy with raging strikes to max his stacks and then bladestorm to give raging blow a massive buff. there was prep... he didnt just click a button and do that in 3 seconds
They are allowed to do setup/ramp up if they want. the druid was fishing for procs on the dummy and went in after he got them for a 2 global kill.
Every class was allowed to do any prep they wanted, that was the whole point, he says in the beginning the timer starts when he first takes damage.
Lol I told peeps on a Supatease vid last week that feral cats are strong.
I meant it when i said Yikes.
6 seconds being a low number is wild.
bro compaling that brewmaster was 1 sec faster on burst ....
in my opinion sub rogue as a class and specialization that is supposed to kill from the shadows on one rotation should be in the top and not some arcane mage or tank monk, cmon
Mage sunfury is a beast on burst!!!!
Once in a lifetime arcane is s tier. Knowing how blizzard nerfs: it gonna be z tier right for 4 expa straight
Arcane has always had good dmg for the most part. Its spell schools and other issues plague it in pvp specifically.
Arcane is not s tier dude if 2 melee sit on you and press saves on arcane surge u are doomed. Ofc arcane has one of the highest skill caps so it would work with r1 players but it’s not a really good experience even for decent mage. Frost is much easier and overall better
@@andmat3297 Frost's kit>>> arcane is just so ass compared to the rest of the class its just sad. I'm glad fury and arcane got love for pvp now, it's been a long time coming
Bring mmarkers and he'll show u the 5-7s burst on any heals
i mean sure feral, fury and arcane burst a bit much with ramping up beforehand but bro brewmaster going RAW 4s 63 is a real problem
Please, no nerfs on any burst classes, I have so much fun as it is
can burst harder with fury warrior you just need death wish talent
fury warrior gets burst pretty hard too tho
For sure fury and arcane need nerf, but not a feral, feral so low have dmg
Any class that's rextroy
that sp is standing way to far from him unless thats a rule
FERAL FTW!!
I can't believe mage is broken. You can always count on Blizzard really mixing it up...
Haven’t they always done the most burst in almost every expansion? That’s their class makeup…. 😢
1st attack 50% health deleted... seems fair
you can ramp and affli wont use soulswap? Fishy fishy
Man f**k the idea that this is alright what they do with Mages, every patch since Lich King, one shot or second shot and you're dead. How is that okay omg?!?
even legion had lower hp than tww. love the big numbers
MM hunter didnt even mark lol
cant wait for them mage nerfs keep em coming!
leveling my fury warrior immediately