Easiest Ranged DPS in War Within
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So which is the easiest ranged dps in war within? Do we factor just the rotations here? How about the ranged dps hero talents and reworks. After we’ve played and tested all dps in the new expansion, we’ve come to some conclusions and honestly involves all of these plus a lot more. War within ranged dps tier list from the easiest to the hardest, let’s go!
00:00 Intro
00:36 Affliction Warlock
02:24 Augmentation Evoker
03:48 Balance Druid
06:36 Arcane Mage
08:12 BM Hunter
09:23 Demo Warlock
11:10 Destruction Warlock
12:12 Fire Mage
13:34 Frost Mage
14:58 MM Hunter
16:13 Devastation Evoker
17:52 Elemental Shaman
20:08 Shadow Priest
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I agree with your list except for frost, I would put them in easiest next to BM hunter. Been playing mage in general as my only toon since 2006. Frost has always been braindead
bm hunter best chill spec of the game
coming home from work, lean back and relax-class
Truuue. I've accepted that its all I can play. I kinda feel shame sometimes but screw it I just wanna hang with my guildies in disc and jam to tunes while we raid after a 10 hour work day
don't be ashamed of having fun
Never. Playing Hunter since 2004 Sometimes bm Sometimes mm. My guildies know, i Play Hunter but i Play it damn well. All extra stuff i do for them, reset, Play eggs at diurna or whatever, If needed some dd for mechanic and still burst dps, I'm the man, im the BM Hunter, I'm proud.
@@pokead245 proud? why tho
That's why i play it. Not every spec needs to appeal to everyone
The hardest thing about elemental shaman, unfortunately, is trying to get into m+ pugs and convincing your mythic raid's leader why elemental shaman isn't a wasted spot (it is). Always a fun spec to play as an alt though.
Yea i am still hoping for the skyfury totem (pvp talent) to be the ele shaman "raid buff"
same as enhancement shaman... we shamans have like no defensives, they gave bloodlust to other classes that always have at least one meta specc that everyone invites, our totems dont have many things other classes dont have at this point either and we are like never one of the best dps in the game or raid buffs. at least enhancement got wf totem which can get us a raid spot, but for m+ enhancement is even worse to get into groups than ele. they really have to give us something that shamans are wanted in groups again like in tbc and wotlk for example. every raid wanted at least 1 enhance and 1 ele because we added so many things to the raid.
it's about to get a rework like... this upcoming week so we'll see if that sticks
Just remember a lot of people are handicapped / old / arthritis etc …. So it’s really good that some classes specs don’t have a high degree of complexity and are easier on our hands for those of us that love wow and want to participate in end game without being branded terrible …
People like us don’t play the classes / specs we love the fantasy of we have to choose the easiest for our bodies to somewhat keep up with healthier people with good hands
I just sense in you that the classes that are easier to keep up rotation on are boring to you and you feel all classes need complexity
There has to be some classes with at least one spec for people that are disabled or arthritis hurts really bad etc and we are thankful for those and maybe devs understand they have a certain percentage of people like us and keep 2-3 specs that don’t have a lot of complexity or timing for us and that’s a good thing
100%, I've been playing since 2005 and arthritis is slowly setting in on my hands. Just want to have fun with a class with isn't super taxing
I think thats totally fine and 100% agree there should be classes that are easier and definitely viable or competitive, but they also shouldnt be on the top of the list like BM has been for a long time during this expansion. Thats just not "fair" either.
Love your tierlists ! Continu like that ! Need melee, healer and tank tierlist now :D
Great explanations. Really was awesome to listen to.
Ty I needed this
Played balance in all of DF and it was super fun but with all the changes I'm looking to bail out super fast.
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I want my elemental shaman to be my main again so badly. It was my main for a bit during BfA and during that expansion is when I started to play other classes as my main character. It really should be a much simpler class to play considering its concept. AOE = Chain Lightning and Earthquake (not multidot crap), single target is elemental blast (maybe), lightning bolt, lava burst and earth shock. I hate frost shock and any talents or other abilities that support it.
where is your tank vid before ? love your work, keep on !
Loved the tank one
i also loved legion shadow and constantly fighting to stay in void form. miss that playstyle.
I think the more important factor for 'grandma specs' or easy specs in general would be APM. My dad plays MMOs and hes 67 years old, he has no problem with complicated rotations but what he does have problems with is classes that require you to essentially play piano for the entire fight. He has arthritis in his left hand pretty bad. This has led to him prefering to play caster classes in most games, and in fact he mains Black Mage in FFXIV and loves it.
Also if you google easiest spec for WoW you find that in the body of the posts they are usually asking which classes have lower APM generally. Not many people really feel like WoW is a complex game, the most complex specs on this list are just a step above the ones considered brain dead honestly. Just something to consider.
An average wow enjoyer.
Sorry, I wish your dad great health and long life
@@patrickstar1164 I have no idea what you're talking about here, thanks for the well wishes though.
@@EloyBushida cuz he's 67, that's the average age of a wow player
@@patrickstar1164 Oh I get it, thank you, English isn't my first language so I miss stuff like this fairly often.
@@EloyBushida no worries mate
After being a ret pala main since TBC I'm going range as my main. I've been playing lock in the beta and it just seems so much fun. I have been playing casually that I'm no longer about meta builds, classes, etc just what is fun. I've been debating going hunter but summoning demons seems more fun than the pets.
thanks for this video, do you plan a same version for solo delve ?
Great vid! That was exactly what I was looking for.
It’s amazing how many people want an easier spec, yet specs in this game seem to get more and more complicated as time goes on.
I don't want easier. I want less buttons. It's why I completly support adding more action target and hybrid ability in game. To put some of the difficultly on moment and aiming and not just clicking button in a specific order. Litterally every plunderstorm spell felt awsome.
I don't want an easier specialization more than I want the specialization to match its difficulty. I also feel the problem with harder specs is that you end up battling the specialization more than the dungeon.
I just want a spec that's reliable. Not a spec that starts strong, and then three weeks in, gets nerfed into the ground.
And? You mad?
Most of us play wow because it’s hard. I don’t want easy
Awesome video, any chance of doing this with the tanks? I appreciate a lot of them are quite similar in difficulty, but would be interesting for your expert opinion nonetheless.
Watch Quazii bro that’s where the tank content is :)
Elemental Shaman is just so damn visually pleasing to me. I love the lighting especially. The feel of controlling the elements. (Would like a better earthquake visual tho)😅
Its just a total vibe to me. ✌🏾
More tiers for the god of tiers.
Thank you, kind Flame and his trusty companions who are always share the same pride. Pride of being unique through all the WoW content excavators.
Hooray!
that boomy POV on point!! lmfao
Interesting takes on the difficulties. I personnally rank Affliction warlock way higher because I can't do DoTs management without WeakAura, while I never needed it for demo to click. Beside that, I can't seem to get Destruction's AOE rotation.
Arcane mage got quite streamlined and is a lot more accessible than before, so as a fan of the class fantasy who never couldplay it right, I like it.
destro aoe is really easy. go watch kalamazi's videos for literally all warlock info you would ever want.
I watched this video to find which is hardest. I love the complicated specs which force me to focus hard.
Im still waiting dor the melee teir list bro!
Hey I’m quitting mage for priest and I maimed frost mage so cool seeing shadow and frost at the same level. I like shadow a lot more than frost and what is all this bad mobility coming from? I finally found the macro that lets you cast feather at your feet so my mobility is great.
pretty accurate for me
I still miss the old Legion empowerments for Balance, I wish they would add a choice node that would let you pick which style to use
Spec needs a complete rework, mastery is bad, ramp up is insane and screws balancing for literally any other content than "when mobs live long enough you are in upper half of DPS". Eclipse needs to go, sunfire should be removed (it adds nothing to the game, it's recoloured moonfire, if moonfire got double damage and spread to all targets in some 15 yards nobody would miss sunfire).
I haven't play retail in years. Im playing cata fire mage now. What class should I play in TWW if I want a ranged class that is around the same difficulty or easier than cata fire mage?
Its not only how many buttons you press, it’s how hard you get punished if you hit a wrong button
Can you do a 'fun' list again? Subjective, but for us looking for a new main potentially, while numbers are moving, fun is a good qualitative metric.
Just so we're clear, you can get easy purple parses on ele using a fixed 4 button rotation, plus associated cds.
I like complexity and I love current Ele
Btw, I don’t know if you meant probably playing Stormbringer for Ele or not, but if you play Stormbringer, you don’t take Lightning Rod bc it’s given to you by the hero tree
Ended up with a normal distribution of difficulty, guess that makes sense
Likely what the devs are looking at as well!
@@MarcelianOnline loving all the war within coverage 👌🏾
Want to try my first range dps in the new expansion....what's fun and not too hard to learn? Leaning towards Destro Lock so far
Destro is a good choice, rly strong too. Easiest of the warlock specs
Good choice 👍🏻!
As a boomy main I am sad :(
for meele coming too ?
Elementals getting reworked so we may need an update to this video soon
I think they need to make something like automated rotation possible for a spec, like you configure a macro (in a way easier way, not like typing a script) with the caveat that it takes a certain delay between each action, so you allow more casual players to roll with that. I personally love Fury warrior and the high APM yet dumb rotation it has, but I cant see myself playing the same spec at 40 years old with a creaky hand.
I don't know, I don't think the pinnacle of skill should be having to press 8+ buttons consistently, but then again, I wouldn't force every spec to be 3 buttons either, but giving players options should be the ideal
Yup I’d love to play warrior for the class fantasy but my arthritis just does let me do group content with one 🥲
I have to stick to like 3 range classes with specs I can keep up without hurting to bad
I miss legion shadow💔
They should bring back Surrender to Madness and old void form… Legion shadow priest was the most fun spec i’ve ever played in entire wow history
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BM is definitely the easiest but I would say the gap between mid and easy is very small. Most of those mid specs are insanely easy too.
beast cleave is the only thing that matters for bm.
For how easy BM spec is, it's shocking how many pug bm's I end up with who don't know how beast cleave works and just don't press multi-shot. I've had explain it to random people 6 or 7 times in the beta already. I dunno if they're classic players crossing over or what.
Arcane feels amazing in Beta!
Sure does!
pretty sure its bugged, dont think it will stay how it is
@@arcane3419 yea I just looked at it again today the talent rework was f*cked
Well the rework isnt yet here for ele but in retail M+ Ele is super handicapped and provides a totally annoying rotation for a minimum return when it comes to AoE a warlock just outdps'ses you just by pressing rain of fire
Affliction warl for TWW, I am moving away from my safe play of playing a healer and going out spreading my seeds!
Spreading your seed? Wym by that 🧐
Healing is definitely hardest. Then dps, then tanking. If all you've done is healing you'll def do well. Sadly tanking is most brain dead spec atm hopefully that changes in TWW.
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@@gohomehero Lol, dps is harder than tanking?
@@dirtnap9641 being a good dps***** is harder than tanking.
Here's hoping for an ele rework so arcane can go back to being the most complex spec.
#BringBackThisIsLiving
Melee version of this list?
I agree with the whole list except Devastation should be higher in my opinion. I definitely think it's easier than affliction and demonology.
do the same for mele dps please
Augmentation has a easy rotation yes but it is not that easy in a raid scenario because of the cd managment.
Dev and boomie on the same tier as spriest and lock is crazy, lol. Dev has 3 buttons.. and boomie might be the easiest caster after BM. There rest seems pretty accurate imo... Aug might be actually be easiest tho.
Hardest thing about Affliction Warlock is that their dots don't tick fast enough. Instead of every 4 seconds it should be every 3 seconds to offset the major dps loss they've received since things die so much quicker.
What?! Arcane isnt the hardest anymore?! Instant quit! :1111
(But finally no more headache from it xD)
Mage 2 buttons map burn job done 🔥
Amazing video
swap Fire with Aff and Dev Evoker to easy and all good
As an ele, I'm gonna miss my braindead meatball spamspec! Now I have to think again? Oh naaawww :')
Try a tank class they are brain dead af. You're a dps but you're invincible.
@@gohomehero ah yes thats why I have a bear tank too. Theyre the dumbest out there
Haha you say braindead, yet 90% of all elemental shamans are complete garbage because they are not able to play the piano with all that haste and flame shock management to be able to dps significantly.
Braindead because of you literally spam lavaburst but setting it up correctly in trash packs (lower keys are horrible) is not that easy. I would never suggest to anyone playing elemental even though its my favourite spec.
@@chronix9784 Definitely agree, I'm an ele shaman main, lightning build enjoyer and spamming Lava Burst is easy and in some cases it's good. But in other cases your dps will be trash if you don't plan accordingly. I've been struggling myself at times to play the fire build correctly and it's easy to mess up your dps from time to time (specially when you have a lot of totems to juggle with for example to deal with some affixes)
@@chronix9784 its easy compared to last season though. But yeah going into a trash pack without magma totem or primwave sucks bigtime
Cant wait for this same vid to be released 3 more time b/w now and TWW release lol
J'en vois des tiers list inutile mais celle là ... C'est tellement subjectif et avec une variance tellement énorme ...
With Mage I have to SUPER disagree, its more than an insult.... Fire Mage goes in between easy and middle, Frost goes into easiest, Arcane in between middle/hard.
Arcane Hard now ? 😅 its easy
Is Balance getting another rework? Looks very underwhelming
bro... I main MM hunter and even new MM hunter is easy to play. Very straight forward rotation with not a ton of buttons to worry about hitting within that rotation. You have extra buttons to worry about for higher level gameplay but lets be real there is no world where MM is HARDER to play than aff or demo.
Intro😂
Shadow Priest is a mess =/
Feels like way outdated spec, which was just patched over with new shiny things to cover the holes.
Like .. why do we even still have Vampiric Touch and Shadow Word: Pain -- those are currenly like "token debuffs", which are there more to trigger other effects rather than damage itself.
You can't use your big boy spell untill all the "tokens" are up and running on target(s), and then play maintance mini-game against tank. In dungeons if tank wins and manage to dodge your Shadow Crash - you are 20 sec of DPS behind others.
Interesting take, Void Crash fixes the issue right?
@@MarcelianOnline yeah .. one issue ;-) Still leveling my priest on beta, to really check how it plays in on Max level and M+
Saying Dev is harder than Aug is like saying Frost DK is harder than Unholy DK 😂😂
Booking scks , I hate what they did with it, why would I ever play that spec over anything else, it's not juste the damage , it's the core gameplay, it looks like it was made by someone who has never played it. It's mind buggling to me
Give Demo Metamorphosis back blizz.
demo is significantly more difficult than aff imo
Love your content but i sincerely hope the guy at 4:41 was joking....
aug evoker should not be on easy
it's one of the class with the higest skillcap in the game
Probably going with priest as ranged alt so I can off spec as holy. That and xal’atah being the villain for TWW
Everytime its time to chose i go to beta and try every class. Then i chose 6. After pre patch goes life i go down to the 3 i want. My main and 2 alts one only for pvp and the other one hopefully with a tank or heal specc for some low m+ play 😊
Weird, VesperalTV shows how arcane is super easy to play.
Supatease brought one up too. It’s easy nowadays💪🏼
@@SonOfTheImam are you drunk?
@@user-bj8yl4jj8k you even play beta or what?
Adding class and spec complexity are the low hanging fruit for the developers. More effort and creativity is required in making complex or varied environments and encounters. Class complexity for players follows a similar path as product choice for consumers. Too little is underwhelming. Too much is burdensome. Both cause fatigue.
Perhaps a better way of understanding this impact is by understanding that progression based games are a journey. Like going on a three day hike, you'll want to be equipped and prepared for the trek. Whatever extra you bring will weigh you down and add unnecessary discomfort. The greater the burden, the greater the discomfort, the less you'll be able to absorb or enjoy the journey. Except as a gamer, you have the magic to blink your eyes and instantly return to the comfort of your home. You can stop instantly. For a slim slice of people, pain is the enjoyment. However, most people aren't masochists and aren't going to come along for that kind of ride.
fire mage hard ? 😆
Blizzard: reworking things daylie
Marcelian: Here's your daylie video that is already outrdated when I publish it...
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that tier list looking sus at the end, just saying xD
In what ways. Genuine question because I’m looking to get back into it
@@GabeRateliff nah the tierlist is good but the form of the tierlist is sus if you know what i mean
@@GabeRateliffIt looks like it goes to the pen island.
The rework is never ‘done’.. they need us to play test since they don’t.
You keep repeating this and I legit don't understand why, FIREMAGE IS NOT HARD TO PLAY probably one of the easiest specs in the game, i do not know why you think it's hard!
moonkin is easy, no more.
Yes mm so hard to play... Flame man come now man 2 keys 7 mil dps isnt exactly that hard to execute... And if any hunter spec was remotely hard to play in any capacity it would not be themost played spec in thegame every single goddamn expansion ... The seer amount of hunters i pug with that do absolutely nothing else than dps is exhausting the fact that nobody stresses the vast gap between mm and anything else in bet right now for keys is either hopium for tuning or not wanting to lose normies that play piu piu from their audience
You good bro?
What are you snorting?
BM hunter most boring spec in the game
We've had worse :D
I reaaaalllly hope survival is fun. I’ve missed it since legion. Never tried bm because of its brain dead reputation.
@@leftyzappa So true, I've mained survival since BFA and from what ive seen it looks really promising in TWW. Not a fan of the sentinel build tho
Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you play it
@@jinks_hates_things no shit.
Boomie always one of the easier
and boring to play, wish they would ditch eclipse
Go play classic easy game naaabs
I mean, let's be honest. Every ranged DPS spec is easy compared to melee.
been a year since I watched any thing wow related. game looks so much worse than I remembered lol
Why a new channel? they're all the same videos
This is why I don't play wow anymore. Too many buttons...I have an mmo mouse with 15 buttons...I had it mapped all 15, with shift/all 15...30 total and i STILL had to keybind a bunch of stuff on my keyboard. Just seems they make the characters harder to play and actual gameplay easier...should be the other way around.
Gameplay is only easier if you choose that, there is plenty of extremely difficult content in M+ and Mythic Raids and high ranked PvP
skill issue
@@pizzazzsnudge7800 I was running 22s and mythic raids...raids and m+ are only difficult because min maxing dps is a pain , not because the mechanics are all that difficult. Any group with adequate damage can clear any encounter. You just run into walls when performing your 200 button presses a second get interrupted by run left or run right. Pvp is just broken, has been for a long time.
@@jeremysumpter8939 if you’ve been playing for a long time it’s easy to lose sight of how difficult this content is. Most wow players don’t even attempt it never mind players new to the game. The amount of game knowledge needed to attempt is already way higher than most other games.
I totally agree. For me the fun is playing mechanics and not worrying about min maxing my Dps, even though it shouldn’t be too easy.