Having 2 teir lists and seeing both of your guy's perspectives is really welcomed and I appreciate it a lot. It allows the audience to see how each of you guys plays and perceives the different specs. Thank you very much, I always appreciated the work you guys put in, and I gotta say you're knocking it out of the park with the war within stuff you're doing.
I wanted to try out a new alt, torned between DH and Evoker, but I've gone with DH because of transmog Transmog is very important to me and I find evoker humanoid form to be gorgeous, but I cant stand turning into lizard and looking awful every time
kinda feel the same - I hate how they made the models.... but infight your focus is mostly drawn away - afterwards you turn back into human form asap... still have to think about it
Agreed. I don't main DH but it's such an epic looking class, both the mogs and the combat visuals. But Evoker is just so disgustingly ugly I can never play it. I wish you could stay in the human form.
@@SlingBladeOfficial coping hard, looks like a starved gecko. I’m convinced the same people that like evoker model are the same people that tweeted happily when they changed things to body type 1/2 vice the original…
@@SlingBladeOfficial No, it just sucks. Even me, who mained Devastation Evo for seasons 1 and 2 acknowledge that. Best you can do is just stay out of dracthyr form, at least until they allow transmogging in it beyond shoulders and belts.
big agree with marcelian about wanting feral to be a bleed spec again and also with flame saying that druid is in a bad spot. feral is in a shit spot but im still all in
It’s not in a shit spot at all? It actually pumps quite the damage. Has great survivability now and honestly the energy regen nerf isn’t that bad… I don’t mind slowing things down a bit instead of just brain dead smashing buttons.
For PvP feral looking really good. I didn't think so until yesterday. Holy shit it's strong compared to the other melee. Remember, it looks like a caster meta so ferals are good cause they can actually move. Going a bleed build with druid of the claw bites seems great right now.
@@jw4792 All the ferals going Claw with huge bites, but still going strong bleeds in talents. Seemed very strong as of yesterday dueling a bunch of good ferals :)
Definitely part of the crowd that wants Feral to return to being a DoT spec. Especially with Wildstalker adding more DoTs and HoTs through the vines. I will be building into Moonfire and Adaptive Swarm because this, combined with vines, is the fantasy I'm looking for in Feral. I don't want to be a guy that turns into a cat, I want to be a battle-mage that fights and casts simultaneously in cat form.
Main: Monk... I like all the changes they have made to all three specs. I'm not afraid of drinking a few beers and get into bar fights.... Main Alt: Mage... Gotta love frostfire talents. Second Alt: Druid... Going to try space chicken and Healer
I main boomy atm, and am looking forward to the re-work coming with the anniversary. I still enjoy it now, but for sure hard to get into keys, cause people think boomys suck, which we dont, were just not top anymore
Holy Priest's biggest change happened in dragonflight. Holy World: Salvation is amazing. Mega powerful raid wide cooldown that has a very long CD but lots of built in CDR allowing you to influence how often you can cast with efficient play? THAT is perfect design. More of it, please Blizz.
Mains Fury warrior and Unholy DK. I've pretty much tried every class during DF but whatever the expansion is. I've always came back to melee classes. I love the animations of arcane etc... But deep down i just want to ZugZug. So fury is perfect for that. Also Fury playstyle is great imo, pop your cd's, maintain whirlwind buff on cleave and aoe, maximize enrage time and get in as many rampages you can. And that pretty much it. Of course there is lot more into fury if you really want to minmax the spec but that's the basic play style.
Assassin main and Prot Pally is my #2 too! I've always preferred Assassin throughout the expansions - I stuck it out as long as I could until it just wasn't viable in Shadowlands M+ and went Sub. After the Rogue rework in DF, I couldn't swap back fast enough... aaaand it was nerfed, and nerfed, but I stayed. My Prot Pally is happy and I hope my Assassin Rogue gets to shine in TWW
hey, was this recorded weeks ago? with all the recent arcane mage news I'm surprised to hear you guys feeling so positively about it. Definitely did not remind me of your opinion from the last few videos featuring arcane.
Legitimately cannot fathom disliking the aesthetic and design of Evokers and Dracthyr as much as you guys do. Especially with Augmentation being so sick, like, you get to be a fucking dragon!
I've been maining rogue for the whole of dragonflight, love the class but i just can't main it in TWW, gameplay is still cool but hero talents are so boring, it just feels like all the other kids got amazing expensive presents for christmas and rogue just got a pair of socks
Aff lock as been my main since Wrath and only time I didnt play it was in Dragonflight. I might return to it but in Dragonflight I mained a Holy priest. I dabbled as shadow in S4 and really like it. I have the 3 day early access and plan on leveling both and then see what im feeling. Either way one is my main and one is my alt.
i wanted to alt arcane mage but the recent nether precision changes completely killed the spec for me. i hope they revert these asap. btw i love the "bm brain dead" take from a ret main :P
@@benjaminghazi787 -- There are definitely toys and food that change appearance but the Evoker humanoid form is already perfect. Savory Delight turns you into a human. I won't bash humans since I am one but on the game they are one of the super short races. The tall races look so much better and wear the transmogs better. Savory Delight doesn't even let you see your transmog which is one of the problems. I know they are adding an inscription scroll that lets you change your appearance for like an hour but just give us a glyph that is permanent. It already exists for another spec. No reason not to do it.
For me it will probably be 1. prot warr 2. blood/unholy DK 3. ele shaman 4. guardian druid They also should make a body selection type to make a big dragon or a small dragon for those whole like it. Will it ever happen?
I'm down to 2 main choices at the moment. Monk or Paladin. I mained pally in SL and DF. Think it's time to switch over especially since I'm not forced to fistweave.
A good list, but I think you're wrong about Frost DK, the real ice dragon breath attack is Frostwyrm's Fury, which is the coolest attack in the game (pun intended), you shoot out a big frost dragon that does a shitload of damage and freezes enemies in place and can interrupt. I am torn between Frost and Fire Mage for my other main.
Bro, Ret Paladin melts single targets. About time we get the respect. Also, the prot can't die. If you die as a prot in the world, you need to rethink life. 😂
Death Knight is without a doubt the best choice to go for. Rider, it's the big winner when it comes to Hero talent themes. Deathbringer, do you like Scythe's bra. San'layn, ever heard of our lord and savior disease nukes.
I like my gecko, but I totally see why you can't stand the aesthetic. I made mine as big as possible, but yeah I wish it was more like the 4-legged drakonid body style.
Love frost dk rework. Much more interesting and demanding than the warri dps specs atm which bored me really quick. Easiest spec atm is fury imo. I also found marksmanship much less interesting than bm. But it is all subjective also no doubt.
to be real could they even make shaman have a tank spec? or is that something that cant really happen? ive never seen specs being chaged that y i ask but i do wish they would
@@MarcelianOnline just finished the video I guess I always thought Flame was Marcelian, whoops. I like the picks how you guys really stuck to few mains because that feels so difficult with time anyway.
@@theusernameicoodfindI always found it odd the channel was called MarcelianOnline, 'cause I've always felt that Flame has been in more content of theirs since I started watching sometime during Shadowlands. No hate to Marcelian at all though, and I dunno the full history of the channel tbh (such as when it was created etc).
23:25 Hard disagree on frost DK, big 2 hand oblit crits or bust. If they change the spec to where I feel like I'm funneled into Breath again I am OUT OF THERE. lol
As for me, solo playing and pugging it stand between dk and dh. All speccs. Knowing dks might get down in the dirt again i dont really care. Help me out here what should i swing for ?
first thing I would do to prot warrior to give it a distinct identity would be: - give it the ability to equip a 2h weapon + shield - give it bloodlust - give it more utility just make it better and give it something special
I love the new 😂 though they recently nerfed it badly I firmly believe they will buff it again, maybe not to the OP level but sertenly to the impressive damage and satisfying game level
It's really been hard figuring out a main for the next expansion. I've been a Shammy main for most of my WoW playtime, and it's looking like Enhance is going to be my main now. The mini rework was great and it hits like a truck now with the usual great utility the class brings to group content. I'm torn between Ret and WW as my backup, but will probably go Ret since I'll be healing with my Pally as well. Holy Pally will be my main healer with Resto Shammy as the backup. For ranged DPS I'm leaning into Aug/Dev Evoker, even nerfed Aug just brings so much to the table. The main thing driving me now is fun because it looks like Blizz is actually trying to balance most specs to be viable.
Its single target damage was already bad and it just got nerfed harder. Dunno. Ret is fun and was my main in DF, but once you leave the medium area of content, it already falls behind especially in single target.
I choose warrior for pvp, my 2 alt will be dk but idk whats my first alt because i can't choose a main sv hunter & ww monk are both top for me 😢 normaly it was enhance shaman but the rework is not enough and no fun to play another addon only ele build and no storm build. And every other specc gets ascendence talent & procc but enhance only one -.-
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I saw Marcelian back with the silver hair, shooting at the Olympics. Congrats on your medal!
:))))), always shootin the shit
Haha does look like him so much
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Having 2 teir lists and seeing both of your guy's perspectives is really welcomed and I appreciate it a lot.
It allows the audience to see how each of you guys plays and perceives the different specs.
Thank you very much, I always appreciated the work you guys put in, and I gotta say you're knocking it out of the park with the war within stuff you're doing.
I wanted to try out a new alt, torned between DH and Evoker, but I've gone with DH because of transmog
Transmog is very important to me and I find evoker humanoid form to be gorgeous, but I cant stand turning into lizard and looking awful every time
kinda feel the same - I hate how they made the models.... but infight your focus is mostly drawn away - afterwards you turn back into human form asap... still have to think about it
Agreed. I don't main DH but it's such an epic looking class, both the mogs and the combat visuals. But Evoker is just so disgustingly ugly I can never play it. I wish you could stay in the human form.
Totally with you on the Dracthyr thing. I can’t play them simply for that reason. I would be maining aug if I didn’t have to be a dragon.
Yeah they look terrible 🤮. That's why I don't play them either
I am fully convinced that the majority of you just don't know how to make a badass looking dragon
@@SlingBladeOfficialthe model sucks only furries and scallies enjoy it
@@SlingBladeOfficial coping hard, looks like a starved gecko. I’m convinced the same people that like evoker model are the same people that tweeted happily when they changed things to body type 1/2 vice the original…
@@SlingBladeOfficial
No, it just sucks. Even me, who mained Devastation Evo for seasons 1 and 2 acknowledge that. Best you can do is just stay out of dracthyr form, at least until they allow transmogging in it beyond shoulders and belts.
Love this kind of videos, keep up the nice work.
big agree with marcelian about wanting feral to be a bleed spec again and also with flame saying that druid is in a bad spot. feral is in a shit spot but im still all in
We miss our cat man :(
It’s not in a shit spot at all? It actually pumps quite the damage. Has great survivability now and honestly the energy regen nerf isn’t that bad… I don’t mind slowing things down a bit instead of just brain dead smashing buttons.
Not to mention it’s becoming more bleed focused. And it’s easily A to S tier in pvp as well.
For PvP feral looking really good. I didn't think so until yesterday. Holy shit it's strong compared to the other melee. Remember, it looks like a caster meta so ferals are good cause they can actually move. Going a bleed build with druid of the claw bites seems great right now.
@@jw4792 All the ferals going Claw with huge bites, but still going strong bleeds in talents. Seemed very strong as of yesterday dueling a bunch of good ferals :)
great breakdown guys! really appreciate the effort put into it.
Definitely part of the crowd that wants Feral to return to being a DoT spec. Especially with Wildstalker adding more DoTs and HoTs through the vines. I will be building into Moonfire and Adaptive Swarm because this, combined with vines, is the fantasy I'm looking for in Feral. I don't want to be a guy that turns into a cat, I want to be a battle-mage that fights and casts simultaneously in cat form.
Main: Monk... I like all the changes they have made to all three specs. I'm not afraid of drinking a few beers and get into bar fights....
Main Alt: Mage... Gotta love frostfire talents.
Second Alt: Druid... Going to try space chicken and Healer
I'm looking at Demo Lock, Guardian/Resto Druid, and Elemental/Resto Shaman, most likely in that order. Thanks for the video, you guys are awesome!
Reason why I'm most likely going to main Arcane mage in TWW is simple, I just love the amount of pink BS you can have on your screen and it's glorious
I love how Supernova is coming back for Arcane ❤❤❤ now I hope that SS and SF are both really good but different playstyle.
I'm with you Marcelian, I don't care for the melee healer styles, I prefer ranged first and foremost.
I main boomy atm, and am looking forward to the re-work coming with the anniversary. I still enjoy it now, but for sure hard to get into keys, cause people think boomys suck, which we dont, were just not top anymore
You always hurt my dragon’s feelings.
rawr :(
I lean heavily into the timelord with my Waist of Time and enjoy that fantasy aspect.
Dragon or gecko😅?
Your skinny gecko is ugly, sorry not sorry.
not bad not bad, i am very excited for WW
Yesir! Gonna be good!
PvP ww still needs work but pve is hreat
@@maxnewton2436 WW = wet noodle in pvp rn lol. Been playing fist heals
Awesome video to watch to choose !
The video i have been waiting for. cheers guys keep up the good work :)
Holy Priest's biggest change happened in dragonflight. Holy World: Salvation is amazing. Mega powerful raid wide cooldown that has a very long CD but lots of built in CDR allowing you to influence how often you can cast with efficient play? THAT is perfect design. More of it, please Blizz.
This spell is the ultimate healer fantasy
Mains Fury warrior and Unholy DK.
I've pretty much tried every class during DF but whatever the expansion is. I've always came back to melee classes. I love the animations of arcane etc... But deep down i just want to ZugZug. So fury is perfect for that.
Also Fury playstyle is great imo, pop your cd's, maintain whirlwind buff on cleave and aoe, maximize enrage time and get in as many rampages you can. And that pretty much it.
Of course there is lot more into fury if you really want to minmax the spec but that's the basic play style.
Enhance is looking to be that battle mage vibe ive been wanting and all DK specs look good! Gonna be looking into Ret pally, Evoker and Havoc DH
Assassin main and Prot Pally is my #2 too! I've always preferred Assassin throughout the expansions - I stuck it out as long as I could until it just wasn't viable in Shadowlands M+ and went Sub. After the Rogue rework in DF, I couldn't swap back fast enough... aaaand it was nerfed, and nerfed, but I stayed. My Prot Pally is happy and I hope my Assassin Rogue gets to shine in TWW
Anyone else notice that they got the names swapped on the tierlists?
That aside, nice to hear their opinions!
Great video! Flame, I always enjoy when Marcellian makes these guest appearances on your channel.
I agree with you on the glimmer fur holy paladin , glimmer was a fun playstyle I thought
I'm just glad they removed a lot spell and made them passive. Didn't mind glimmer since it was pretty much a passive.
Elemental looks fun
Awesome video! More of this :D
As someone who has mained Hunter for years, I am not offended at all about your assessment of BM. It's rather spot on in fact.
Why we love it!
You guys are a blast thank you!
hey, was this recorded weeks ago? with all the recent arcane mage news I'm surprised to hear you guys feeling so positively about it. Definitely did not remind me of your opinion from the last few videos featuring arcane.
Luckily reverted this night
@@MrTonemaker oh wow okay I totally missed that
I temporarily stop playing WoW for months now. However, never stop loving your tier-list hahaha
As someone who plays Arms... i'm shocked you always have them low. They pump like crazy!
Legitimately cannot fathom disliking the aesthetic and design of Evokers and Dracthyr as much as you guys do. Especially with Augmentation being so sick, like, you get to be a fucking dragon!
Demonology is fun rn. I hadn’t played loc in years.
I've been maining rogue for the whole of dragonflight, love the class but i just can't main it in TWW, gameplay is still cool but hero talents are so boring, it just feels like all the other kids got amazing expensive presents for christmas and rogue just got a pair of socks
Aff lock as been my main since Wrath and only time I didnt play it was in Dragonflight. I might return to it but in Dragonflight I mained a Holy priest. I dabbled as shadow in S4 and really like it. I have the 3 day early access and plan on leveling both and then see what im feeling. Either way one is my main and one is my alt.
you can play MW as range healer, sure you are in meele when doing dmg - but the sooth build is super strong and so much fun! :)
Good to know!
i wanted to alt arcane mage but the recent nether precision changes completely killed the spec for me. i hope they revert these asap.
btw i love the "bm brain dead" take from a ret main :P
They just did :)
I couldn't play Boomkin until I roll a Zandalari Druid. Their chicken form is way better
DK will be my main forever. Been blasting as 2H frost and just hit 3200 IO
ret pally for life. been one forever even before meta
Ive been ret pally since the early 2000s!
My top 4;
Enhance, Warrior (either spec), Frost DK, Hunter (any spec)
I am so looking forward to ww and play fury warrior and it feels way better now.
They absolutely need to make an evoker glyph. Why are we forced to have this skin. Just give us glyph of stars.
You can savory deviate delight. It’s the only way it’s remotely digestible to play.
@@benjaminghazi787 -- There are definitely toys and food that change appearance but the Evoker humanoid form is already perfect.
Savory Delight turns you into a human. I won't bash humans since I am one but on the game they are one of the super short races. The tall races look so much better and wear the transmogs better. Savory Delight doesn't even let you see your transmog which is one of the problems.
I know they are adding an inscription scroll that lets you change your appearance for like an hour but just give us a glyph that is permanent. It already exists for another spec. No reason not to do it.
I’m wanting to main DH, but leveled it in Remix and it’s super fast and fun. I feel like it’s going to feel super slow when it moves to TWW 😂
For me it will probably be
1. prot warr
2. blood/unholy DK
3. ele shaman
4. guardian druid
They also should make a body selection type to make a big dragon or a small dragon for those whole like it.
Will it ever happen?
I'm down to 2 main choices at the moment. Monk or Paladin. I mained pally in SL and DF. Think it's time to switch over especially since I'm not forced to fistweave.
A good list, but I think you're wrong about Frost DK, the real ice dragon breath attack is Frostwyrm's Fury, which is the coolest attack in the game (pun intended), you shoot out a big frost dragon that does a shitload of damage and freezes enemies in place and can interrupt. I am torn between Frost and Fire Mage for my other main.
The best video every main patch 🎉
Would love to see an improvement in feral talents :) love kitty rn, but it could be a more interesting specc
Can t decide between Pala or Druid, mainly tank with heal sec. What is the better pick for m+ pugs
I don't know why the fury hate, it's doing pretty well in the beta atm. Super easy rotation and its very rewarding
Bro, Ret Paladin melts single targets. About time we get the respect. Also, the prot can't die. If you die as a prot in the world, you need to rethink life. 😂
Death Knight is without a doubt the best choice to go for.
Rider, it's the big winner when it comes to Hero talent themes.
Deathbringer, do you like Scythe's bra.
San'layn, ever heard of our lord and savior disease nukes.
Holy shit, he described their Hero talents. I'm totally convinced!
Not!
If Blizzard don''t remove the nerfs on Shaman, this list gonna change hard..
Dude, fury warrior is fuckin pumping right now
Im considering hpala or blood dk both been mains before. So idk with one to go now. Any recommendations
Yes, outlaw rogue
Survival Hunter Main, Enhancer Alt
I like my gecko, but I totally see why you can't stand the aesthetic. I made mine as big as possible, but yeah I wish it was more like the 4-legged drakonid body style.
My main will be Unholy Rider DK and my main alt will be Spellslinger Arcane Mage
Love frost dk rework. Much more interesting and demanding than the warri dps specs atm which bored me really quick. Easiest spec atm is fury imo. I also found marksmanship much less interesting than bm. But it is all subjective also no doubt.
to be real could they even make shaman have a tank spec? or is that something that cant really happen? ive never seen specs being chaged that y i ask but i do wish they would
I personally like the dracthyr
man I hope we get a tank spec for shaman...
could easy be done when you think about it.
BM will likely be my fall back spec if I can’t pull off SV
It's a good chill offspec!
@@MarcelianOnline just finished the video I guess I always thought Flame was Marcelian, whoops. I like the picks how you guys really stuck to few mains because that feels so difficult with time anyway.
@@theusernameicoodfindI always found it odd the channel was called MarcelianOnline, 'cause I've always felt that Flame has been in more content of theirs since I started watching sometime during Shadowlands. No hate to Marcelian at all though, and I dunno the full history of the channel tbh (such as when it was created etc).
23:25 Hard disagree on frost DK, big 2 hand oblit crits or bust. If they change the spec to where I feel like I'm funneled into Breath again I am OUT OF THERE. lol
As for me, solo playing and pugging it stand between dk and dh. All speccs. Knowing dks might get down in the dirt again i dont really care. Help me out here what should i swing for ?
I'd go with DK, the playstyle is just so much fun compared to DH with it's current state currently imo
@@mrvo1and aye going unholy and arcane mage for next exp. Its finally settled 😅 resto druid and dh as 3rd and 4th
Unholy, windwalker, beast master and bear. Mains
Nice movie for tonight thank you guy's 😂
first thing I would do to prot warrior to give it a distinct identity would be:
- give it the ability to equip a 2h weapon + shield
- give it bloodlust
- give it more utility
just make it better and give it something special
Ret pally, aff lock, fury/arms warrior, MW monk
Fae Line stomp... "get the fuck out"... absolutely lol
Hopefully it does :D
Faeline Stomp for monks and Primordial Wave for shamans... no1 likes those abilitys. I don't know why blizzard keeps them in.. :D
Is it just me or when he says enhancement is thought he was saying Asmon
I love the new 😂 though they recently nerfed it badly I firmly believe they will buff it again, maybe not to the OP level but sertenly to the impressive damage and satisfying game level
We got 9 palas in the guild to raid i liked retri but guess i switch to balance druid we dont have a druid
Who asked ?
you put blood 'bk' instead of 'dk' on the time stamps
DONE!
It's really been hard figuring out a main for the next expansion. I've been a Shammy main for most of my WoW playtime, and it's looking like Enhance is going to be my main now. The mini rework was great and it hits like a truck now with the usual great utility the class brings to group content. I'm torn between Ret and WW as my backup, but will probably go Ret since I'll be healing with my Pally as well. Holy Pally will be my main healer with Resto Shammy as the backup. For ranged DPS I'm leaning into Aug/Dev Evoker, even nerfed Aug just brings so much to the table. The main thing driving me now is fun because it looks like Blizz is actually trying to balance most specs to be viable.
Augmentation is so much fun but I detest the appearance of dracthyr so much.
Aug got sizeable nerfs over the last few patches. Its not a S pick anymore
Soo why not make frost dks breath an out right summoning a frostwyrm to do aoe and damage like abom for unholy
u guys are the champs!
Templar pally ftw
based take!
Ret is my new Main for this Xpax.
Its single target damage was already bad and it just got nerfed harder. Dunno. Ret is fun and was my main in DF, but once you leave the medium area of content, it already falls behind especially in single target.
Unholy
What is your native tongue anyway? everytime I think I have it placed I can't be sure.
HOW CAN YOU EVEN SLIGHTLY LIKE GLIMMER?! if you wanna heal with hots, go druid xD
Great insight! Thank you!
Going Shadow Priest Main and Paladin alt for Ret and Prot
This recorded before lock crazy bufsd
I choose warrior for pvp, my 2 alt will be dk but idk whats my first alt because i can't choose a main sv hunter & ww monk are both top for me 😢 normaly it was enhance shaman but the rework is not enough and no fun to play another addon only ele build and no storm build. And every other specc gets ascendence talent & procc but enhance only one -.-
Thanks for the tier lies :)
We don’t need more rets..
Arms warrior main 4 ever
I’m going destro/arcane
here's the answer for you guys.... Play whatever you think is most fun
that's exactly what they discussed here
@@JJ-Okay great
It sucks one of the best range damage classes is always nerfed. Balance druid is so much fun but they hate it amd always nerf it
If they nerf aug us much they can I’m happy with all other spec
Nah, nah and nah. WHERE IS BOLD FLAME! #SHAVEHEAD!
I thought protection paladin was the worst of the tank specs. At least thats what others are saying
Glad to see UH up there lol