More great, unbiased, information. A friend of mine is the head Massey tech at a local dealership. He is adamant that Massey will continue to support their subcompacts. They continue to update the line. That is one reason that I purchased a GC1723E. Deere's push to consolidate dealerships into huge conglomerates will bite them in the end. AGPRO bought all of the local dealers and their service has gone downhill fast. I may have to finally retire my wife's 425 which she dearly loves. Every maintenance/repair trip over the past two years has been a disaster.
I bought my l3400 in the spring of 05 and I love it. I bought it to do excavation for my business. I now use it for everything and love it. In 18 years, I’ve had three problems with it. The fuel cap cracked, but I always tightened it fairly snug. The foot gas pedal wore through on the top, so I had to turn it around. The rubber suction line above the break pedals cracked and started leaking, $36 later and it’s good. Not bad for all the things I’ve asked of it. The Firestone tires on mine developed some cracking on the rear tires, as I plow snow in our developed, I probably should replace them soon. A lot of RUclipsrs hate on Kubota, but I love mine. Will always stand behind them.
Tim I think you short changed LS a little. They make a huge line of tractors plus what they make for CNH. LS's big problem is their dealers. Deere, Kubota will service their tractors no matter who you buy it from. LS has dealers that will only service a tractor they sold. Which in my point of view is something they better fix or they will go down the tubes. I have an MT342HC. I started with a Kubota BX2200. Great little tractor tough as nails. Only repair were front and rear axle seals and a blown hydraulic hose with 1900 hours on it. Bought 11 acres with 8 acres trees which has about 3 acres falling down ash trees. BX couldn't handle that type of work so bought the M342. LOVE it. And this winter with the snowfalls we've had that cap with heat and air is fabulous. I recently priced what the Kubota would have cost me feature to feature comparison. $30,000 more than I paid. So LS is my choice.
I love LS's strategy. "We make blue tractors that New Holland sells for a high price in the US. What if we made our own blue tractors and sold them in the US for less? I don't know. Let's find out."
Tim is great with his videos and information. Guys find a tractor and dealer you like and enjoy owning it. Like Tim always says lots of good choices and just because you didn't buy a certain brand doesn't mean its a bad tractor. Enjoy your tractor and leave it there. Thanks again Tim, you do a great job!
My dad had a kubota 7100 in the 70's. He loved it. I got a 2305 and it is the yanmar built tractor. Love it. So do my family and friends when they need help.
Lube shuttle is amazing. The best greasing solution. You can see how much grease is in the tube. You can change grease cartridges simply and easily. You don’t have that big rod sticking out, getting in the way. LockNLube tip is the icing on the cake.
Back twenty years ago I had a used Kubota tractor which had seen better days so I was trying to replace it with another Kubota but the price was out of my reach. So I started looking at Kioti and ended up buying a DK35se open frame shuttle and I'll tell you that it was a great decision definitely no regrets. Nw in my retirement most of my tractor use has turned to snow removal so time for a cab. I bought a Kioti DK5320se now waiting on it's delivery I'm sure it will serve me as well as the previous.
I’d love to buy one but the nearest stocking dealer is a couple of hundred miles away. They look good, reports are good, weight is good, and I used to live where they are built (Daegu, Korea which is still one of my favorite cities).
I looked really hard at the Yanmar tractor. Drove one a couple different times. I was on the fence on whether to buy the John Deere 5067e or the 57 horse Yanmar cab tractor. The Yanmar transmission scared me away. To complex and so many gadgets built in that I was afraid of having expensive failures later in the life of the tractor. To me simplicity was more value in a tractor. So I opted for the John Deere 5067E cab tractor with the power reverser transmission. No regrets what so ever. I spent more but I feel like I got more tractor. Love my green tractor! Keep up the good videos Tim!
My Massey Ferguson 1723e was built in Beauvàis, France. The engine was furnished by Iseki. Don't see much about the Massey Ferguson but us owners are a hardy lot. Thanks for videos.
Interesting video! You mentioned the Allis Chalmers and International Farmall’s early contributions in the small farm tractor, but you didn’t mention that was where Ford started with the 9N and 8N, and then there was Deere who manufactured the H and L, which were both replaced by the M and later the 40/400 series. My father convinced my grandfather to buy a Farmall A to replace the horses on the farm I grew up on in New England, that was later augmented, then replaced by a JD M, and supplemented with a MT and a B. I still have the M with many of the JD Quik-tach implements, which was their attempt to compete with Ford-Ferguson’s 3 Point Hitch system (we know who won there, lol). I also have a JD 850 and a 2nd gen 2025R, so 3 generations of John Deere’s compact offerings. Alway’s enjoy your video’s and commitment to get the facts vs opinions.
In fact Deere and Ford had their smaller tractors before IH (I'm not sure about AC). I guess you can put the Farmall A and B as a compact tractor, both debuted in 1939.
Working for a Japanese Automaker here in the U S Japanese Manufacturers Philosophy is to build thier Automotive products close to where they sell them So does not surprise me that Kubota may be moving in same direction Great Video and thanks for sharing 👍
This was my thought with the yanmars in India and Korea. Especially considering their dealer network for engines on water boats. Filtering for orange and red bias I still can’t decide
While I’m a green guy Massey’s don’t get near enough recognition. They are incredible machines that look more and more appealing with the price of green paint going up and up. Definitely wish you’d try one on your channel!
Tim did try them at a farm show and also talk about them with a seller at one point. I bought a massey GC1723e close to 15k less then a 1025R with same equipement here in canada no kidding. I love my GC but have to say that Tim was dead on with the two negative point he raised "seat not confortable and lack of proper location of the 3 point lever" aside that I beleive he did said it is nice little machine . I am on my side still puzzled about why that little GC has it's gear selector completely opposite than all brand I sat on (turtle up and rabit down ??? )
I got a new MF GC1723E last July as my first tractor that is my own. When we were shopping around I originally wanted a John Deere 1025R or a 1023E but when we finally got to talking to the John Deere dealer and were given prices it became a big fat nope for us. We had the GC1723E and the 1023E both configured the same way, keeping the pre-installed loader setup and adding on an extra front mounted snow blower. The John Deere was an extra $4,000 more than the Massey was with the same setup and that was with the John Deere factory incentives the salesman added on to REMOVE some of the cost. For what you're getting the JD is priced way too high IMO.
I've had my Massey Ferguson 1740M for 3 1/2 years, absolutely love it. I have close to 290 hours on it, and it has served me quite well. My dealer support and service is excellent. I looked at Kubota and Deere before I purchased, tredle pedal on Kubota was not comfortable and Deere was over-priced.
@@johnmedlin5894 Those were the same reasons I said no to Deere and completely avoided Kubota. My father has a little BX setup with a belly mower and front mounted snow blower. He said he loves the tractor but the pedal is clunky and uncomfortable to use.
Last tractor I bought was a kubota because the John Deere dealers were to busy to talk to me . Have a great dealership 20 miles from me and I’m very happy
Thank you Tim. I appreciate that you include brands other than the Orange and Green. I went with TYM last week primarily because of price as I am recently retired. Your information is encouraging as I found the higher price tags a little out of reach for me. I have a dealer who serves well. I would say that your tips, advice, and information were primary influences in my decision process in my tractor purchases. You influence many folks brother. 👍. Good work! Thank you!
I run a kioti PX 1050 at work 105 hp and I love it here in Australia we are fencing contractors and run a post driver on it so not smooth work and at 1800 hrs after 4 years the old kioti it just as good if not better then kubota and jd I love my kioti🙂🙂
I purchased a Kioti K-9 Side by Side (4 seater) back about 8 months ago because I could not locate a Deere or Kubota. The JD 855 D I was using for the past seven years had over 5,400 hours and was literally worn out. The Kioti has performed less than stellar. Due to some assembly issues at the dealership the transmission assembly failed with-in a three month period. The machine remained at the dealership two months waiting for a transmission and shifter assembly. I've been waiting on the second constant velocity joint for the front right side of the machine now for over two weeks. They have a lot of work to do as far as the dealer support network. I would not make the purchase again considering the problems I've encountered. The machine currently has 254 hours as of yesterday.
Truth. TYM is a massive supplier of tractors to RUclipsrs which gives them an incredible presence. I have a TYM T-25 which I bought because they have a solid dealer network here in east Tennessee. It has really turned out to be a great compact tractor and they put a lot of research into user ergonomics.
@@cassellracing I also looked at the Kubota in Crossville, TN but they were too proud of their tractors to want to deal. I got a TYM 25 for a lot less and it's a solid compact.
Mahindra Max 26 XLT, Fantastic tractor, more capacity than any other tractor in its class. Mahindra designed to best of my knowledge(many models aren't but this one is), Mitsibishi engine. Been a great machine. I know the dealer network can be a bit fuzzy with Mahindra, so that is one concern depending on your location.
One thing I wish Lube Shuttle would add to their guns is Zerk fitting that's welded to the top. The Lock'n'Lube gun has one, and it's a great way to form a hose loop to hang it, and to keep the Lock'n'Lube fitting clean. And, for the record, I've had one grease tube where the follower came out sitting on the shelf and left me a nice mess. Also had two in a box that were squeezed out, courtesy of UPS. Regardless of those couple incidents, I still really like the entire system.
Very informative video! You're right about the TYM brand - they've really grown I think in part due to allowing RUclips influencers showcase their products. There's no doubt that Outdoors with the Morgans helped the RK tractors grow in popularity.
When you let someone use your tractor for free you get good reviews. I do like the specs on RK tractors but there is much to be said for dealer support, service and parts. I just know that my Kubota has never given me a problem and it was good service when I took it in to have hydraulics put on for my grapple. Not sure how Rural King would handle upgrades.
Great video and some great info. bought my first tractor last year which was a Kubota l2501 and I love it. the dealer was awesome with everything. i am now addicted to tractors.
Information like this is why I direct anyone looking to buy a tractor to this channel. One thing that I think needs to be called out for Deere though is that they've been actively working to consolidate dealers so while there are many locations there may only be one dealer that operates all of them in a large geographic area. This means that comparing the dealer network between Deere and others isn't an apples-to-apples comparison as Deere has way more locations but likely fewer dealers than even some of the smaller brands.
Pluses and minuses to these consolidated dealers. Overall, they are MORE competent and consistent in my opinion. However, it is clear that they are less competitive from a price standpoint.
FYI - John Deere introduced the model L (11 hp) in 1937 and the model H in 1939 (14 hp) in 1939 for small farmers. They were replaced by the Model M in 1947 (18 hp).
Thank you for an amazing content. The research and unbiased commentary is the reason why all of us keep coming back to you. I just finished 100 hour review of my Massey Ferguson 1825e and the Iseki partnership was one of the main points that I wanted to educate my viewers on. Thank you for the honorable mention!
Morning Tim ,I don't entirely agree with your comments on the kioti trying to copy Kubota. There are many features that kioti has that Kubota does not have, eg. Two pedal system, location of loader controls, I could keep going but it would take me to long to list the differences.
Tim, as I have commented before, I believe the important issue is having a dealer and support network for the tractor you choose. Not as important who designed it. I have two pieces of John Deere equipment and their designs are not perfect by far, but they are generally a better tractor in terms of fit and finish. My Bobcat tractor is supported and serviced by any Bobcat dealer. My dealer has an excellent service staff, some of whom have come from Deere dealers. I want to know that if I need something fixed, I have a place to take it to get the work done. There are clearly other brands who make decent tractors, but have no local presence at all, which kind of leaves working with corporate to get the parts and support you may need.
Local dealer support is important. However, they cannot do it all. Without manufacturer support behind them, they are powerless to help you. Have seen this over and over again.
I really do like Kubota but they better watch the finger-pointing with the color... You can take a can of Allis-Chalmers orange off the shelf at tractor supply it'll match right up to Kubota.. I know this cuz I've done it painting hooks I welded on my bucket
My understanding on the TYM - Yanmar deal is to replace the Solis entry level gear drive tractors. All hydro tractors will continue to be made by Yanmar. I have had a YT235 for almost five years and I love it.
Had an LS, but the weight distribution was horrible. SO off balance with a very high center of gravity. Moved over to kubota and haven't looked back. Incredible support from the local Kubota dealership and I am very happy with my little B26.
For me it was about the closest tractor dealer and it’s customer service. That’s why I decided to go with Deere. Seems like a quality piece of equipment and I’m happy so far.
Same here (in Hawaii)which lead me to Kubota. A good dealer is very important. I do end up ordering parts from Messics sometimes because of better fulfillment policies but I’m very happy with my BX23s.
I did a video with a guy from Yanmar , where he explained that transmission that you are talking about. I was impressed with everything he had to say, but I didn’t understand it. Well enough to repeat it. I’ve also had some viewers. tell me that it’s a great set up.
Interesting thing about Kioti also is that they make their own steel. I went with Kioti as you state for the features vs. price, and for me in northern NH the Kioti dealer is close and good, and closest Kubota is almost an hour away. I believe that Kioti squeeze more power (e.g. lift) than Kubota and I wonder if that’s because of the integrated manufacturing all the way down to structural materials. Plus I’m not a fan of the treadle pedal but that’s opinion.
Here in Manitoba, Canada, we also went with Kioti for very similar reasons. The dealer is very close. The others, not so much. Plus, having a better price at the end of the day is always welcome. We've had our Kioti over a year now and so far it has been a very good machine. Snow clearing, tilling, grass cutting and dirt moving.
If your dealer is closer and has good service good. The pedal you and others don't seem to like on a Kubota makes it much easier to go back and forth. I have the same set up on my riding mower. I am thinking that this is just pretty much a talking point and people once they hear it from someone convince themselves the person that complained is on to something. Enjoy your tractor. What matters most is the service on the tractor. If the dealer is good at service and close by it's all for the better. The lift has to do with the hydraulics and the HP of the tractor. They all vary.
Kubota makes all the parts in Japan and assembles much of these parts in the USA. I just paid off my Kubota L4701 and I have been happy with this choice. I did take a close look at the Deeres, but I did not like plastic hoods and fenders plus Deere don’t make the Engine.
I think Tim needs some seat time in other brands of tractors. As his long time seat time seems to have been in several green tractors. There are good tractors out there made by others, and some of them are designed for different purposes. The fun starts above 60 hp. And a shuttle shift garners more power out of a given sized tractor, over a HST transmission. And can split the gears down further.
Not everyone needs a lot of HP to have fun on a tractor. The more HP you have though the more you can do. However, you can have fun doing what a less HP tractor will do. You can grade, use a grapple or bucket and so much more like a woodchipper and more. If you just barely afford the big HP tractor you have to have a lot of money for the toys to go on it as well.
Within 45 minutes of me are 2 Kubota dealers, 2 Deere dealers, 2 Kioti dealers, 2 New Holland dealers and 1 Bobcat dealer. I feel Iike that’s a jackpot. The Kubota and Deere dealers are each different branches of the same conglomerate in the region though (one big Kubota dealer network and one big Deere dealer network). The others are independent.
JD Dealers are few. My state has 2 and both have stores in more than one state. This allows them to control the price through the lack of competition. The people I deal with are kind. What they have done causes me to buy used.
I bought a MF 1250 in 2001. Looking at the serial number, it was made in 93 or 94. It's got a 33hp, 3 cyl diesel. 4 wheel drive with 4 speed ranges. In low/low you can walk beside it and toss stuff into the bucket loader. I loved it from the start. We bought a Christmas tree farm and it fit in between rows perfectly. I was a full on Massey Ferguson fan boy. After a few years I finally decided to give it a good washing. It has a rubber floor mat that fits around the foot throttle. I took it off to spray it with the hose and there was something stamped into the rubber. It was "ISEKI." I had no idea what that meant so I looked it up. All that time I loved my American tractor and found out it was Japanese! Well I'm a big fan of Iseki. I have abused that little thing and it keeps on going. I got a used Kubota 4310 a few years ago for some different work and I like it, but I felt a part of the Iseki in a way that I haven't yet with the Kubota.
Great video! I'm sitting here in my Yanmar YT359C waiting for ups to show up with some shop tool. The YT359C is freaking awesome. The transmission is so user friendly... you should look at some of the videos out there showing how it works.
My MF 1725m was hands down the best value around...and the dealer is right around the corner...they'll all do the job. Gotta buy what's best for yourself!
Thank you Tim, I'd like to mention another Indian company, Mahindra. They don't make their complete line, some are built by TYM. I am running a 2538 cab Mahindra for a snow plow business. The 2538, and the newer 2638 are TYM built, and assembled in Texas. To clarify, I am in northern Ontario. In 5 years of running my tractor I've had two main issues, and the dealer had had me back on the road in 24 hours. Both were temporary fixes, and parts ordered and replaced at the next opportunity. When we made the purchase decision we had looked at the 4 closest dealers. Green had nothing available in Canada at the time, and in our size requirements. The orange dealer wouldn't even let me sit in a tractor. Mahindra who handed me a set of keys and said try it out. And TYM who did the same. Mahindra won out on the financing, and the dealer standing behind it. Absolutely not regrets. And my understanding from colleagues is the local TYM dealer is excellent at after sale support as well. I don't know what you can find out on the Mahindra line, but from my experience this has been one of my best investments.
I am a TYM believer. Just traded my low hour Branson for 10 more hp in a TYM. Budget price with cutting edge technology kinda like Exmark did coming on the scene in the 90s. Green, Kabota, etc are not trying hard because they don't have to. Yes, dealer support is a key factor but research the "competition". You just might save 7 to 10 grand and have a tractor that is far superior in many ways. They all have to meet stringent globally mandated requirements, they all share the same technology in many ways. And they are all great machines. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
Another great video for those of us looking to get a tractor someday! TYM certainly got my attention by working with some of the channels I follow. Before that I had never really heard of the brand! Really like their tractors and they can send me a tractor anytime to use on my firewood channel!🤣 I’m getting old and a tractor needs to happen. Great video Tim👊🏻-TOA
I, too, think T-Y-M is going to be rapidly gaining market share, as Dealerships/support expands. Re-branding sells a lot of their product, due to the lower price point of the T-Y-M tractor with the same features. (Same concept as ITL/Solis with the Summit tractor introduction).
When comparing a TYM rebranded rural king tractor to a L2501 Kubota, for a little more, I bought the Kubota. You can't beat how well built a Kubota is, and the dealer support. TYM may be a little cheaper, but you'll pay for that the first time you have a problem. Everyone is going to choose whatever they choose. I think long term when I spend my money. Saving a dollar today can cost you ten times in the future.
@@jamesw.3491 i Have the Tym branded tractor, but I also dont use it to make a living . I do belive a repair and parts support would be better with JD, kuubota ect, but i can wait a few days for parts.
I have experience with LS thanks to working my my grandfathers property. The closest dealer to us is the southern most of the three in Northwest Ohio, and I can say that they're really good, though supply chain issues do play into part availability...
Tim, it certainly is amazing to see the rise of some of these "make their own" brands. We will all be the benefactors in this increased competition and I cannot wait to see what is there for us in terms of innovations in the future. 🙂
Yes, I think it is obvious that Kubotas' success in a modern compact tractor forced all the makers to meet that demand and innovate. I have always said that competition makes us all better and gives us better products in most cases.
Thanks Tim for all of the research you did for this video. I agree that some of this info isn’t easy to uncover. This video was very helpful to folks like me who are looking for more affordable alternatives to the “big 2” brands. It says a lot about your commitment to honesty that you took the time to twice (!) correct what you believed (or were led to believe) about JD & Yanmar. Your honest, straightforward presentation style is one of the reasons I look for your videos. I always learn something & I can trust what you’re saying. Your approach is hard to come by on other channels.
Excellent video. The only comment I would disagree with a little bit is saying that a Kioti tractor is a lot like a Kubota tractor. I say disagree, a little, because I’m not an expert on kioti tractors, or Kubota tractors. I got the chance to operate a couple of Kioti tractors recently and I didn’t think they had anything in common with a kubota except for the color Again, though, great video and presentation
Tim, that yanmar transmission you mentioned is similar to the Fendt Vario transmission (case cvt and JD ivt also use the same principle). It uses hydrostatic motors to vary the transmission ratio, but the majority of the power is transmitted mechanically through gears. This means it operates similarly to a hydtostatic drive, but with much better efficiency.
I will also say this about my Kioti tractor it’s price is more affordable than kubota and John Deere. My tractor is metal hood metal fenders while theirs is plastic. My loader pickup 700 more lbs than same size kubota or John Deere with the right ballast. That’s almost 2/3 more
Actually, the 2515H & R model Branson, now TYM, are a pretty good tractor. Its a 45hp frame, in a 25hp - no emissions- tractor. Lift capacity front & rear is likely best of all brands.
My grandpa had a small farm and had a kubota B6100. The used it on the 1 row corn picker to open the corn fields so you only had to hand pick 1 row instead of 2. He also was handicapped so it served as his of road scooter
Thank you for the History Lesson on who makes Tractor. I Look at ( LIEBHERR) a German company, the Big Dozer Lineups with (JD) the (734) Liebherr Dozer and the (950-JD) look identical. On other Product Design. My understanding of it back in the 1980s BUCYRUS-ERIE worked with Komatsu (PC) excavator on design for US markets. My backhoe brand was sold to a Former Employee, who formed his own company in 1985, calling it BUCYRUS Construction Products ( BCP) based in Erie Pennsylvania, then ( BCP) became a Division of Terex Corporation.
We had a small farm in the 60s and 70s and used a small 1939 Ford tractor about the same size of my 1025R. Small tractors were around the USA way before Kubota came over.
I'm not a tractor owner but somehow I'm here. Our little state of CT seems to have Kubota, John Deere, kioti, and Yanmar covered in my area at least. Love the content!
Thanks for briefly mentioning Massey Ferguson. I think that they're a great tractor. All of the MF tractors that I have were purchased as used machines. I might eventually buy a brand new one to update my grass cutter. We have a GC2300, a 1230 with a little loader, a 1533, and a 2615. All are good machines.
I have a MF 1533 and although I like the compact size and tight steering, I have a problem with the PTO slowing down and quitting after running for an hour or so. I replaced the solenoid on the advice of the dealer ($320) but it still does it. Also I don't think the front wheel drive is working.
@John Ellis , we just recently had a power outage that lasted for 2 days and I used the 1533 to power our generator. I brought fuel to the tractor to keep it running. I don't know why your tractor is having troubles. The solenoid switch was a great place to start, but it must be something else. How many hours are on your machine? Ours only has just over 1400. It has done a fair bit of pto work since I have owned it. I wish you well with your tractor. It sounds like the pto clutch is not remaining engaged for whatever reason.
@@tomcleverley18 Thanks for your thoughts, Tom. I bought the tractor in Idaho/Utah a few years ago from the big MF dealer in that area. They had several that had been used for pulling irrigation pipe trailers. I don't think the PTO or 3 point were ever used before I got it. I think it has around 3400 hours on it. We were using it today to run a wood chipper and it ran for a couple hours with no problems, so, we will see how it works as it warms up. Got up to 71 degrees for a while this afternoon. The latest problem is the tach/hour meter is noisy. Guess I'll live with it for now.
Anyone that researches these thing’s already know, but I still like to watch and gage what’s said. I’m amazed that John Deere gets as much praise considering their oil filter issues on their riders and all the plastic and aluminum axles on their compacts. If your duped at this point in this Information Age? That’s on you.
@@davebarnes6672 plastic and aluminum axles? Wow. Had no idea. Am currently looking at purchasing smaller tractor. Guess I better do some more research
With the whole Yanmar/TYM partnership I am thinking that TYM is just going to be making gear drive machines, it will allow yanmar dealers to offer a little larger 75hp tractor as well as a gear drive tractor in the yt235 class, also one reason they may not have been at the tradeshow(s) is their target customer seems to be homesteaders and people focused on sustainable living/ farming rather than your average compact tractor owner or even farmers, so the way they may be looking at it is why go to a show where most of the crowd is not your target customer
2 years ago i was shopping for a cab tractor to replace my old Ford 2810 open station. First choice was Kubota. The salesman did'nt seem to care if he sold a tractor or not. So i went next to a dealer who sold Mahindra and Kioti. Turned out I bought a Kioti CK2610 cab with all the options anyone could possibly want. It was about $5000 less than the equivalent Kubota. The Kioti is absolutely awsome. I am not new to tractors, haveing owner at least 10 over my life. I also own a New Holland TC40a and a John Deere 850 (green Yanmar) 10 years ago I would not have considered a Korean tractor. but this Kioti is the best. FYI I would not even consider a John Deere due to the fact that they now have a Proprietary Quick Hitch system. Once you get a JD you are stuck with there brand attachments. I think JD is over priced anyway. JUst sayin
Not true. We show LOTS of front loader attachments on our Deere. MONE of them are Deere branded. The JDQA is a standard which has lots of support from 3rd party attachment builders.
You can get an adapter to JD that will use SSQA so you could use both. I believe the adapter is an easy on and off setup. Might be worth an episode. Lol
I enjoy your videos. I have a Kubota bx and really enjoy it got from a family member who moved. In pa we don't have variety of tractors from overseas just have Kubota or ls Nh cih rebranded models or koiti doesn't seem like the other brands are perfered.
There are a few investment firms out there making noise that Caterpillar should buy out AGCO. If that were to happen, I would almost guarantee that the Iseki deal would be gone and there would be some T4 compliant Perkins going in their tractors. Just something to think about. Another fun fact: Cat uses Kubota engines in some of their larger SSLs and CTLs.
When I bought my Kioti CK3510, I was comparing it against the Kubota and was surprised at how similar they were. But there were just little things that were better on the Kioti like the fuel tank being on the back easy to get to not up on the hood, or the steering rack on the Kioti being tucked up and out of the way not hanging low like the Kubotas. I also didn't like the HST pedal on the Kubota were you have to use your heel to back up, I ran a buddies Kubota for a day and my ankle was sore after only running it for two hours.
Even though it wasn't considered a compact tractor because of the era it was made John Deere had a tractor of similar size to the Allis Chalmers and the Farmall Cub you showed if not smaller. It was the John Deere LA. It's hard to judge the size of something in a photo until you can see it in person. But there is an older couple who live closer to my friend and they run a John Deere LA in the summer for tilling and plowing their veggie garden for the summer. When I go over sometimes I catch it in action but most of the time it's sitting. But for a tractor made in the 1940's it's a tiny little thing. I would say if you were to put a modern compact tractor next to it the compact might be a tad larger. As for Massey Ferguson, from what I know (which isn't much) the only tractors MF doesn't make are their subcompacts and their compacts. When you start getting into their larger utility based machines like the 2600H series it starts turning into an AGCO built product. But again, I'm not an expert and everything is just a guess. Mainly because I know AGCO does indeed make MF's larger farm tractors. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Not sure why you included Solis in this list. TYM makes a number of brands (mostly sold in Europe, India) including the new Summit brand which basicly is an upscale Solis. I think Summit is going to be a real rising player in this market they are doing a lot of marketing on RUclips with GWT who like you comes across as very trustworthy. There sales distributing is similar to RK with “big box” stores but also incorporate local authorized repair facilities in the areas they will be selling in and apparently 1/2 of those are mobile which in my mind is a plus. The tractors are also loaded (including a bucket) with no real options needed (other than additional attachments) Great warranty at a very reasonable price, I am very impressed and expect to see them grow quite quickly as opposed to Solis for example.
TYM does not make Solis. Solis is ITL which indeed makes Summit Tractors. Similar model to RK because the same guy who was fired from RK is running Summit. Oh, and same guy who did Cabela’s tractors and McCormick tractors before that. Do you think the 4th time will be different?
But you can just buy a JD part for your "Inferior" Yanmar, right? I mean Yanmar does the engines, and are "50% partners" on the drivetrain/transaxle, so what's left? A bit of generic metal/paint and a few universal hydraulic parts? You don't have to fake "market" a paint color when you've been designing/building the best tractors for decades ... pretty simple.
Good breakdown of information. I really like the fact of pointing out deliberate misinformation. Other than than that, people make mistakes as my grand father said that is how we learn and it is a sad day when we don't learn something that we did not know before... So not big deal with me. God Speed.
The first Kubotas sold in the US were imported by and branded McCulloch. Yes, the chain saw company. They started selling yellow McCulloch branded Kubotas in 1965.
@Tractor Time With Tim ... Answer one question. What is the "only" tractor manufacturer that has never sub-contracted out production to somebody else ... but has provided the heart and soul to many other tractor "manufacturers" ... I'll wait.
Probably why LS doesn't market as much is their deal with CNH is probably pretty solid. Decent machines all around... as far as I know, Larson Valley Farm really likes his LS tractor if you wanted to see someone putting it to work. You forgot Bobcat. I believe they are their own design but are mfged by Daedong (like Kioti)... too what extent I'm not sure how business dealings go or if they will ever fully mfg their own compact tractor again.
i have a kubota BX2350 (i know it's a couple generations behind). there is a local massey dealer nearby and the sub compacts they sell do seem like a nicely put together machine.
A good friend has an LS. It’s been at his dealer waiting for parts since October. His dealer support is wonderful, but parts availability from the manufacturer is the issue. He has expressed his regret not going with Deere.
1938 Allis Chalmers B crankstart very first tractor I drove at the age of 12.. to this day my favorite tractor... Pretty much why I like Kubota must be the color 😊 and a good tractor
My decision was easy, the Kubota and Deere dealers were 10 miles away, all the others were 40 or more. I borrowed my neighbors Kubota for a few hours and the treadle was terrible. I bought a JD 1023E, I should have spent a few more dollars for a 1025R but oh well. And the Deere dealer was the same one my grandfather, dad, and I had bought our farm tractors from so I trust them.
Love my Kioti - and I have a Japanese made FORD (1979 1700) which I use on a daily basis. I've had a Kubota and I would not trade my Kioti for a Kubota. Had terrible luck with Kubota AND a John Deere was the worst tractor I've ever owned.
More great, unbiased, information. A friend of mine is the head Massey tech at a local dealership. He is adamant that Massey will continue to support their subcompacts. They continue to update the line. That is one reason that I purchased a GC1723E. Deere's push to consolidate dealerships into huge conglomerates will bite them in the end. AGPRO bought all of the local dealers and their service has gone downhill fast. I may have to finally retire my wife's 425 which she dearly loves. Every maintenance/repair trip over the past two years has been a disaster.
I bought my l3400 in the spring of 05 and I love it. I bought it to do excavation for my business. I now use it for everything and love it. In 18 years, I’ve had three problems with it. The fuel cap cracked, but I always tightened it fairly snug. The foot gas pedal wore through on the top, so I had to turn it around. The rubber suction line above the break pedals cracked and started leaking, $36 later and it’s good. Not bad for all the things I’ve asked of it. The Firestone tires on mine developed some cracking on the rear tires, as I plow snow in our developed, I probably should replace them soon. A lot of RUclipsrs hate on Kubota, but I love mine. Will always stand behind them.
As an ag mechanic, kubota makes the best compact tractor in my opinion!
Tim I think you short changed LS a little. They make a huge line of tractors plus what they make for CNH. LS's big problem is their dealers. Deere, Kubota will service their tractors no matter who you buy it from. LS has dealers that will only service a tractor they sold. Which in my point of view is something they better fix or they will go down the tubes. I have an MT342HC. I started with a Kubota BX2200. Great little tractor tough as nails. Only repair were front and rear axle seals and a blown hydraulic hose with 1900 hours on it. Bought 11 acres with 8 acres trees which has about 3 acres falling down ash trees. BX couldn't handle that type of work so bought the M342. LOVE it. And this winter with the snowfalls we've had that cap with heat and air is fabulous. I recently priced what the Kubota would have cost me feature to feature comparison. $30,000 more than I paid. So LS is my choice.
I love LS's strategy.
"We make blue tractors that New Holland sells for a high price in the US. What if we made our own blue tractors and sold them in the US for less?
I don't know. Let's find out."
I have a Massy 1725m with 380hrs on it no problems !! love it
Tim is great with his videos and information. Guys find a tractor and dealer you like and enjoy owning it. Like Tim always says lots of good choices and just because you didn't buy a certain brand doesn't mean its a bad tractor. Enjoy your tractor and leave it there. Thanks again Tim, you do a great job!
My dad had a kubota 7100 in the 70's. He loved it. I got a 2305 and it is the yanmar built tractor. Love it. So do my family and friends when they need help.
go green go green yanmar kawasaki john deere
Lube shuttle is amazing. The best greasing solution.
You can see how much grease is in the tube.
You can change grease cartridges simply and easily.
You don’t have that big rod sticking out, getting in the way.
LockNLube tip is the icing on the cake.
Back twenty years ago I had a used Kubota tractor which had seen better days so I was trying to replace it with another Kubota but the price was out of my reach. So I started looking at Kioti and ended up buying a DK35se open frame shuttle and I'll tell you that it was a great decision definitely no regrets. Nw in my retirement most of my tractor use has turned to snow removal so time for a cab. I bought a Kioti DK5320se now waiting on it's delivery I'm sure it will serve me as well as the previous.
I’d love to buy one but the nearest stocking dealer is a couple of hundred miles away. They look good, reports are good, weight is good, and I used to live where they are built (Daegu, Korea which is still one of my favorite cities).
@@silverbackag9790 Do you have a Bobcat dealer close?
I looked really hard at the Yanmar tractor. Drove one a couple different times. I was on the fence on whether to buy the John Deere 5067e or the 57 horse Yanmar cab tractor. The Yanmar transmission scared me away. To complex and so many gadgets built in that I was afraid of having expensive failures later in the life of the tractor. To me simplicity was more value in a tractor. So I opted for the John Deere 5067E cab tractor with the power reverser transmission. No regrets what so ever. I spent more but I feel like I got more tractor. Love my green tractor! Keep up the good videos Tim!
power reverser is the way to go !
My Massey Ferguson 1723e was built in Beauvàis, France. The engine was furnished by Iseki. Don't see much about the Massey Ferguson but us owners are a hardy lot. Thanks for videos.
Interesting video! You mentioned the Allis Chalmers and International Farmall’s early contributions in the small farm tractor, but you didn’t mention that was where Ford started with the 9N and 8N, and then there was Deere who manufactured the H and L, which were both replaced by the M and later the 40/400 series. My father convinced my grandfather to buy a Farmall A to replace the horses on the farm I grew up on in New England, that was later augmented, then replaced by a JD M, and supplemented with a MT and a B. I still have the M with many of the JD Quik-tach implements, which was their attempt to compete with Ford-Ferguson’s 3 Point Hitch system (we know who won there, lol). I also have a JD 850 and a 2nd gen 2025R, so 3 generations of John Deere’s compact offerings. Alway’s enjoy your video’s and commitment to get the facts vs opinions.
In fact Deere and Ford had their smaller tractors before IH (I'm not sure about AC). I guess you can put the Farmall A and B as a compact tractor, both debuted in 1939.
Working for a Japanese Automaker here in the U S
Japanese Manufacturers Philosophy is to build thier Automotive products close to where they sell them
So does not surprise me that Kubota may be moving in same direction
Great Video and thanks for sharing 👍
This was my thought with the yanmars in India and Korea. Especially considering their dealer network for engines on water boats. Filtering for orange and red bias I still can’t decide
We have a 2012 John Deere 1026r! With 804.7. hours. And we’ve been using it since day one! Its the best Little tractor ,for never getting rid of it.
I’m another well satisfied Lube Shuttle customer, along with the Lock’N’Lube! Well done, and I would say, a comprehensive presentation. Blessings.
While I’m a green guy Massey’s don’t get near enough recognition. They are incredible machines that look more and more appealing with the price of green paint going up and up. Definitely wish you’d try one on your channel!
Tim did try them at a farm show and also talk about them with a seller at one point. I bought a massey GC1723e close to 15k less then a 1025R with same equipement here in canada no kidding. I love my GC but have to say that Tim was dead on with the two negative point he raised "seat not confortable and lack of proper location of the 3 point lever" aside that I beleive he did said it is nice little machine . I am on my side still puzzled about why that little GC has it's gear selector completely opposite than all brand I sat on (turtle up and rabit down ??? )
I went with the GC1725MB even though the 1025R would've been great. The ONLY thing I dislike about it is not having a separate seat for the backhoe.
I got a new MF GC1723E last July as my first tractor that is my own. When we were shopping around I originally wanted a John Deere 1025R or a 1023E but when we finally got to talking to the John Deere dealer and were given prices it became a big fat nope for us. We had the GC1723E and the 1023E both configured the same way, keeping the pre-installed loader setup and adding on an extra front mounted snow blower. The John Deere was an extra $4,000 more than the Massey was with the same setup and that was with the John Deere factory incentives the salesman added on to REMOVE some of the cost. For what you're getting the JD is priced way too high IMO.
I've had my Massey Ferguson 1740M for 3 1/2 years, absolutely love it. I have close to 290 hours on it, and it has served me quite well. My dealer support and service is excellent. I looked at Kubota and Deere before I purchased, tredle pedal on Kubota was not comfortable and Deere was over-priced.
@@johnmedlin5894 Those were the same reasons I said no to Deere and completely avoided Kubota. My father has a little BX setup with a belly mower and front mounted snow blower. He said he loves the tractor but the pedal is clunky and uncomfortable to use.
Last tractor I bought was a kubota because the John Deere dealers were to busy to talk to me . Have a great dealership 20 miles from me and I’m very happy
What about Mahindra ?
We published a complete episode just two weeks ago: “Who makes Mahindra Tractors?” Check it out.
Thank you Tim. I appreciate that you include brands other than the Orange and Green. I went with TYM last week primarily because of price as I am recently retired. Your information is encouraging as I found the higher price tags a little out of reach for me. I have a dealer who serves well. I would say that your tips, advice, and information were primary influences in my decision process in my tractor purchases.
You influence many folks brother. 👍. Good work! Thank you!
I run a kioti PX 1050 at work 105 hp and I love it here in Australia we are fencing contractors and run a post driver on it so not smooth work and at 1800 hrs after 4 years the old kioti it just as good if not better then kubota and jd I love my kioti🙂🙂
I purchased a Kioti K-9 Side by Side (4 seater) back about 8 months ago because I could not locate a Deere or Kubota. The JD 855 D I was using for the past seven years had over 5,400 hours and was literally worn out.
The Kioti has performed less than stellar. Due to some assembly issues at the dealership the transmission assembly failed with-in a three month period. The machine remained at the dealership two months waiting for a transmission and shifter assembly. I've been waiting on the second constant velocity joint for the front right side of the machine now for over two weeks. They have a lot of work to do as far as the dealer support network. I would not make the purchase again considering the problems I've encountered. The machine currently has 254 hours as of yesterday.
Truth. TYM is a massive supplier of tractors to RUclipsrs which gives them an incredible presence. I have a TYM T-25 which I bought because they have a solid dealer network here in east Tennessee. It has really turned out to be a great compact tractor and they put a lot of research into user ergonomics.
I went with Kubota, the resell value alone will cover the upfront difference IMO. East TN as well ;)
@@cassellracing I also looked at the Kubota in Crossville, TN but they were too proud of their tractors to want to deal. I got a TYM 25 for a lot less and it's a solid compact.
Mahindra Max 26 XLT, Fantastic tractor, more capacity than any other tractor in its class. Mahindra designed to best of my knowledge(many models aren't but this one is), Mitsibishi engine. Been a great machine. I know the dealer network can be a bit fuzzy with Mahindra, so that is one concern depending on your location.
One thing I wish Lube Shuttle would add to their guns is Zerk fitting that's welded to the top. The Lock'n'Lube gun has one, and it's a great way to form a hose loop to hang it, and to keep the Lock'n'Lube fitting clean. And, for the record, I've had one grease tube where the follower came out sitting on the shelf and left me a nice mess. Also had two in a box that were squeezed out, courtesy of UPS. Regardless of those couple incidents, I still really like the entire system.
Very informative video! You're right about the TYM brand - they've really grown I think in part due to allowing RUclips influencers showcase their products. There's no doubt that Outdoors with the Morgans helped the RK tractors grow in popularity.
When you let someone use your tractor for free you get good reviews. I do like the specs on RK tractors but there is much to be said for dealer support, service and parts. I just know that my Kubota has never given me a problem and it was good service when I took it in to have hydraulics put on for my grapple. Not sure how Rural King would handle upgrades.
Great video and some great info. bought my first tractor last year which was a Kubota l2501 and I love it. the dealer was awesome with everything. i am now addicted to tractors.
I got a LS, 250 hours now it’s been great. I have a great dealer but haven’t needed them so far
Information like this is why I direct anyone looking to buy a tractor to this channel. One thing that I think needs to be called out for Deere though is that they've been actively working to consolidate dealers so while there are many locations there may only be one dealer that operates all of them in a large geographic area. This means that comparing the dealer network between Deere and others isn't an apples-to-apples comparison as Deere has way more locations but likely fewer dealers than even some of the smaller brands.
Pluses and minuses to these consolidated dealers. Overall, they are MORE competent and consistent in my opinion.
However, it is clear that they are less competitive from a price standpoint.
Love my cabbed Kioti 7320. Hopefully it holds up over time. Do mostly loader work on the property.
FYI - John Deere introduced the model L (11 hp) in 1937 and the model H in 1939 (14 hp) in 1939 for small farmers. They were replaced by the Model M in 1947 (18 hp).
Thanks Tim I am a massive Ferguson man. I’m the one that asked you about more response on messy Ferguson.
Thank you for an amazing content. The research and unbiased commentary is the reason why all of us keep coming back to you. I just finished 100 hour review of my Massey Ferguson 1825e and the Iseki partnership was one of the main points that I wanted to educate my viewers on. Thank you for the honorable mention!
Try finding parts for that 1988 MF…. Impossible
Morning Tim ,I don't entirely agree with your comments on the kioti trying to copy Kubota. There are many features that kioti has that Kubota does not have, eg. Two pedal system, location of loader controls, I could keep going but it would take me to long to list the differences.
Fair enough. Good points.
What about the summit tractor
What about them?
Good Morning, I have two Kioti tractors and had two more in the past. Very happy, love the two pedal hydrostatics. The Kubota treadle hurts my leg.
@@malcolmlinch5868 Summit is a rebranded ITL tractor from India.
Tim, as I have commented before, I believe the important issue is having a dealer and support network for the tractor you choose. Not as important who designed it. I have two pieces of John Deere equipment and their designs are not perfect by far, but they are generally a better tractor in terms of fit and finish. My Bobcat tractor is supported and serviced by any Bobcat dealer. My dealer has an excellent service staff, some of whom have come from Deere dealers. I want to know that if I need something fixed, I have a place to take it to get the work done. There are clearly other brands who make decent tractors, but have no local presence at all, which kind of leaves working with corporate to get the parts and support you may need.
Local dealer support is important. However, they cannot do it all. Without manufacturer support behind them, they are powerless to help you.
Have seen this over and over again.
I really do like Kubota but they better watch the finger-pointing with the color... You can take a can of Allis-Chalmers orange off the shelf at tractor supply it'll match right up to Kubota.. I know this cuz I've done it painting hooks I welded on my bucket
My understanding on the TYM - Yanmar deal is to replace the Solis entry level gear drive tractors. All hydro tractors will continue to be made by Yanmar. I have had a YT235 for almost five years and I love it.
Great unbiased. All these tractors look good in person. I bought a BX25DBL in 2016 I have done more with this little tractor.
Had an LS, but the weight distribution was horrible. SO off balance with a very high center of gravity. Moved over to kubota and haven't looked back. Incredible support from the local Kubota dealership and I am very happy with my little B26.
For me it was about the closest tractor dealer and it’s customer service. That’s why I decided to go with Deere. Seems like a quality piece of equipment and I’m happy so far.
Same here (in Hawaii)which lead me to Kubota. A good dealer is very important. I do end up ordering parts from Messics sometimes because of better fulfillment policies but I’m very happy with my BX23s.
I did a video with a guy from Yanmar , where he explained that transmission that you are talking about.
I was impressed with everything he had to say, but I didn’t understand it. Well enough to repeat it.
I’ve also had some viewers. tell me that it’s a great set up.
Yea. On paper, it sounds great. Maybe we can get one sometime to play with!
Interesting thing about Kioti also is that they make their own steel. I went with Kioti as you state for the features vs. price, and for me in northern NH the Kioti dealer is close and good, and closest Kubota is almost an hour away. I believe that Kioti squeeze more power (e.g. lift) than Kubota and I wonder if that’s because of the integrated manufacturing all the way down to structural materials. Plus I’m not a fan of the treadle pedal but that’s opinion.
Here in Manitoba, Canada, we also went with Kioti for very similar reasons. The dealer is very close. The others, not so much. Plus, having a better price at the end of the day is always welcome. We've had our Kioti over a year now and so far it has been a very good machine. Snow clearing, tilling, grass cutting and dirt moving.
If your dealer is closer and has good service good. The pedal you and others don't seem to like on a Kubota makes it much easier to go back and forth. I have the same set up on my riding mower. I am thinking that this is just pretty much a talking point and people once they hear it from someone convince themselves the person that complained is on to something. Enjoy your tractor. What matters most is the service on the tractor. If the dealer is good at service and close by it's all for the better. The lift has to do with the hydraulics and the HP of the tractor. They all vary.
Kubota makes all the parts in Japan and assembles much of these parts in the USA. I just paid off my Kubota L4701 and I have been happy with this choice. I did take a close look at the Deeres, but I did not like plastic hoods and fenders plus Deere don’t make the Engine.
You made the right choice
JD reliability ain't worth crap
I think Tim needs some seat time in other brands of tractors. As his long time seat time seems to have been in several green tractors. There are good tractors out there made by others, and some of them are designed for different purposes. The fun starts above 60 hp. And a shuttle shift garners more power out of a given sized tractor, over a HST transmission. And can split the gears down further.
Not everyone needs a lot of HP to have fun on a tractor. The more HP you have though the more you can do. However, you can have fun doing what a less HP tractor will do. You can grade, use a grapple or bucket and so much more like a woodchipper and more. If you just barely afford the big HP tractor you have to have a lot of money for the toys to go on it as well.
Within 45 minutes of me are 2 Kubota dealers, 2 Deere dealers, 2 Kioti dealers, 2 New Holland dealers and 1 Bobcat dealer. I feel Iike that’s a jackpot. The Kubota and Deere dealers are each different branches of the same conglomerate in the region though (one big Kubota dealer network and one big Deere dealer network). The others are independent.
Love my Tym T454 cab/ac/heat - built like a proverbial tank. 134 hours and no issues 🙂
How is it holding up a year later?
@@j.s.7366 Still doing great! Not a leak and runs like a top!
@@houstonfirefox how many hours it at? Just curious, I’m interested in getting a TYM. I’ve got a 65hp Deere and a 55 HP Fiat-Chalmers at the moment.
@@j.s.7366 So far 216 hours
JD Dealers are few. My state has 2 and both have stores in more than one state. This allows them to control the price through the lack of competition. The people I deal with are kind. What they have done causes me to buy used.
I bought a MF 1250 in 2001. Looking at the serial number, it was made in 93 or 94. It's got a 33hp, 3 cyl diesel. 4 wheel drive with 4 speed ranges. In low/low you can walk beside it and toss stuff into the bucket loader. I loved it from the start. We bought a Christmas tree farm and it fit in between rows perfectly. I was a full on Massey Ferguson fan boy.
After a few years I finally decided to give it a good washing. It has a rubber floor mat that fits around the foot throttle. I took it off to spray it with the hose and there was something stamped into the rubber. It was "ISEKI." I had no idea what that meant so I looked it up. All that time I loved my American tractor and found out it was Japanese!
Well I'm a big fan of Iseki. I have abused that little thing and it keeps on going. I got a used Kubota 4310 a few years ago for some different work and I like it, but I felt a part of the Iseki in a way that I haven't yet with the Kubota.
Great video! I'm sitting here in my Yanmar YT359C waiting for ups to show up with some shop tool. The YT359C is freaking awesome. The transmission is so user friendly... you should look at some of the videos out there showing how it works.
I have a Yanmar yt235, a recent upgrade from my 424. I love their tractors and my dealer is 15mins away from me!
My MF 1725m was hands down the best value around...and the dealer is right around the corner...they'll all do the job. Gotta buy what's best for yourself!
Thank you Tim, I'd like to mention another Indian company, Mahindra. They don't make their complete line, some are built by TYM. I am running a 2538 cab Mahindra for a snow plow business. The 2538, and the newer 2638 are TYM built, and assembled in Texas. To clarify, I am in northern Ontario. In 5 years of running my tractor I've had two main issues, and the dealer had had me back on the road in 24 hours. Both were temporary fixes, and parts ordered and replaced at the next opportunity. When we made the purchase decision we had looked at the 4 closest dealers. Green had nothing available in Canada at the time, and in our size requirements. The orange dealer wouldn't even let me sit in a tractor. Mahindra who handed me a set of keys and said try it out.
And TYM who did the same.
Mahindra won out on the financing, and the dealer standing behind it. Absolutely not regrets. And my understanding from colleagues is the local TYM dealer is excellent at after sale support as well.
I don't know what you can find out on the Mahindra line, but from my experience this has been one of my best investments.
Full episode on this just two weeks ago: “Who makes Mahindra Tractors”z
I am a TYM believer. Just traded my low hour Branson for 10 more hp in a TYM. Budget price with cutting edge technology kinda like Exmark did coming on the scene in the 90s. Green, Kabota, etc are not trying hard because they don't have to. Yes, dealer support is a key factor but research the "competition". You just might save 7 to 10 grand and have a tractor that is far superior in many ways. They all have to meet stringent globally mandated requirements, they all share the same technology in many ways. And they are all great machines. Can't really go wrong with any of them.
Another great video for those of us looking to get a tractor someday! TYM certainly got my attention by working with some of the channels I follow. Before that I had never really heard of the brand! Really like their tractors and they can send me a tractor anytime to use on my firewood channel!🤣 I’m getting old and a tractor needs to happen. Great video Tim👊🏻-TOA
I, too, think T-Y-M is going to be rapidly gaining market share, as Dealerships/support expands. Re-branding sells a lot of their product, due to the lower price point of the T-Y-M tractor with the same features. (Same concept as ITL/Solis with the Summit tractor introduction).
When comparing a TYM rebranded rural king tractor to a L2501 Kubota, for a little more, I bought the Kubota. You can't beat how well built a Kubota is, and the dealer support. TYM may be a little cheaper, but you'll pay for that the first time you have a problem.
Everyone is going to choose whatever they choose. I think long term when I spend my money. Saving a dollar today can cost you ten times in the future.
@@jamesw.3491 i Have the Tym branded tractor, but I also dont use it to make a living . I do belive a repair and parts support would be better with JD, kuubota ect, but i can wait a few days for parts.
Appreciate all the time and research that went into putting this together, thanks.
(Also love that the LX was prominently places throughout! 😉👍😎)
Good video and I’m glad you pointed out dealer support issues with some of these and yamar and Deere differences
I have experience with LS thanks to working my my grandfathers property. The closest dealer to us is the southern most of the three in Northwest Ohio, and I can say that they're really good, though supply chain issues do play into part availability...
Tim, it certainly is amazing to see the rise of some of these "make their own" brands. We will all be the benefactors in this increased competition and I cannot wait to see what is there for us in terms of innovations in the future. 🙂
Agree on the competition!
Yes, I think it is obvious that Kubotas' success in a modern compact tractor forced all the makers to meet that demand and innovate.
I have always said that competition makes us all better and gives us better products in most cases.
@@jimmcknight3021 capitalism breeds innovation
Solis, ITL, Summit are all under the same umbrella as well. Great video, Tim!
Summit is simply rebranding it.
Thanks Tim for all of the research you did for this video. I agree that some of this info isn’t easy to uncover. This video was very helpful to folks like me who are looking for more affordable alternatives to the “big 2” brands. It says a lot about your commitment to honesty that you took the time to twice (!) correct what you believed (or were led to believe) about JD & Yanmar. Your honest, straightforward presentation style is one of the reasons I look for your videos. I always learn something & I can trust what you’re saying. Your approach is hard to come by on other channels.
Thanks Jeff! Needed that today. Seems many just want to attack!
Excellent video. The only comment I would disagree with a little bit is saying that a Kioti tractor is a lot like a Kubota tractor.
I say disagree, a little, because I’m not an expert on kioti tractors, or Kubota tractors.
I got the chance to operate a couple of Kioti tractors recently and I didn’t think they had anything in common with a kubota except for the color
Again, though, great video and presentation
Fair enough.
John Deere employes a lot of Americans, that sold me. I also watched the Deere factory tour TTWT did, and the quality control is second to none
Tim, that yanmar transmission you mentioned is similar to the Fendt Vario transmission (case cvt and JD ivt also use the same principle). It uses hydrostatic motors to vary the transmission ratio, but the majority of the power is transmitted mechanically through gears. This means it operates similarly to a hydtostatic drive, but with much better efficiency.
Kioti for the win.
I will also say this about my Kioti tractor it’s price is more affordable than kubota and John Deere. My tractor is metal hood metal fenders while theirs is plastic. My loader pickup 700 more lbs than same size kubota or John Deere with the right ballast. That’s almost 2/3 more
BadBoy for the calendars.
It’s a shame so many of their dealers are shady
@@decline1129 just go with 5 Paw
Actually, the 2515H & R model Branson, now TYM, are a pretty good tractor. Its a 45hp frame, in a 25hp - no emissions- tractor.
Lift capacity front & rear is likely best of all brands.
That TYM red really pops. They chose a great shade 😎 for their tractors.
Those old Kubotas look so cool. Would be kinda neat if manufactures made a retro looking tractor.
I think most all of the old tractors look better than the new ones.
Happens in music too.
“I like your old stuff better than your new stuff”
Excellent in every way. You come across as a real person of character. I would buy from you were I in Indiana. And a really great cat.
I remember in the early 1980’s Kubota’s tag line was “Were looking for work- Kubota!” It was catchy.
My grandpa had a small farm and had a kubota B6100. The used it on the 1 row corn picker to open the corn fields so you only had to hand pick 1 row instead of 2. He also was handicapped so it served as his of road scooter
Thank you for the History Lesson on who makes Tractor. I Look at ( LIEBHERR) a German company, the Big Dozer Lineups with (JD) the (734) Liebherr Dozer and the (950-JD) look identical. On other Product Design. My understanding of it back in the 1980s BUCYRUS-ERIE worked with Komatsu (PC) excavator on design for US markets. My backhoe brand was sold to a Former Employee, who formed his own company in 1985, calling it BUCYRUS Construction Products ( BCP) based in Erie Pennsylvania, then ( BCP) became a Division of Terex Corporation.
We had a small farm in the 60s and 70s and used a small 1939 Ford tractor about the same size of my 1025R. Small tractors were around the USA way before Kubota came over.
I'm not a tractor owner but somehow I'm here. Our little state of CT seems to have Kubota, John Deere, kioti, and Yanmar covered in my area at least. Love the content!
Welcome Justin! Thanks for joining us!
@@TractorTimewithTim I've been following on and off for a few years now. Especially when I need my fix of tractor content. 😁
Thanks for briefly mentioning Massey Ferguson. I think that they're a great tractor. All of the MF tractors that I have were purchased as used machines. I might eventually buy a brand new one to update my grass cutter. We have a GC2300, a 1230 with a little loader, a 1533, and a 2615. All are good machines.
I have a MF 1533 and although I like the compact size and tight steering, I have a problem with the PTO slowing down and quitting after running for an hour or so. I replaced the solenoid on the advice of the dealer ($320) but it still does it. Also I don't think the front wheel drive is working.
@John Ellis , we just recently had a power outage that lasted for 2 days and I used the 1533 to power our generator. I brought fuel to the tractor to keep it running. I don't know why your tractor is having troubles. The solenoid switch was a great place to start, but it must be something else. How many hours are on your machine? Ours only has just over 1400. It has done a fair bit of pto work since I have owned it. I wish you well with your tractor. It sounds like the pto clutch is not remaining engaged for whatever reason.
@@tomcleverley18 Thanks for your thoughts, Tom. I bought the tractor in Idaho/Utah a few years ago from the big MF dealer in that area. They had several that had been used for pulling irrigation pipe trailers. I don't think the PTO or 3 point were ever used before I got it. I think it has around 3400 hours on it. We were using it today to run a wood chipper and it ran for a couple hours with no problems, so, we will see how it works as it warms up. Got up to 71 degrees for a while this afternoon. The latest problem is the tach/hour meter is noisy. Guess I'll live with it for now.
Anyone that researches these thing’s already know, but I still like to watch and gage what’s said. I’m amazed that John Deere gets as much praise considering their oil filter issues on their riders and all the plastic and aluminum axles on their compacts. If your duped at this point in this Information Age? That’s on you.
Most compacts have aluminum axle housings.
@@davebarnes6672 plastic and aluminum axles? Wow. Had no idea. Am currently looking at purchasing smaller tractor. Guess I better do some more research
Deadong (kioti) also builds for bobcat in their subcompact tractor line.
With the whole Yanmar/TYM partnership I am thinking that TYM is just going to be making gear drive machines, it will allow yanmar dealers to offer a little larger 75hp tractor as well as a gear drive tractor in the yt235 class, also one reason they may not have been at the tradeshow(s) is their target customer seems to be homesteaders and people focused on sustainable living/ farming rather than your average compact tractor owner or even farmers, so the way they may be looking at it is why go to a show where most of the crowd is not your target customer
Thanks for taking the time to do this series very interesting and informative.
2 years ago i was shopping for a cab tractor to replace my old Ford 2810 open station. First choice was Kubota. The salesman did'nt seem to care if he sold a tractor or not. So i went next to a dealer who sold Mahindra and Kioti. Turned out I bought a Kioti CK2610 cab with all the options anyone could possibly want. It was about $5000 less than the equivalent Kubota. The Kioti is absolutely awsome. I am not new to tractors, haveing owner at least 10 over my life. I also own a New Holland TC40a and a John Deere 850 (green Yanmar) 10 years ago I would not have considered a Korean tractor. but this Kioti is the best. FYI I would not even consider a John Deere due to the fact that they now have a Proprietary Quick Hitch system. Once you get a JD you are stuck with there brand attachments. I think JD is over priced anyway. JUst sayin
Not true. We show LOTS of front loader attachments on our Deere. MONE of them are Deere branded.
The JDQA is a standard which has lots of support from 3rd party attachment builders.
@@TractorTimewithTim not as popular or cheep a ssqa type!
@@andrewslagle1974 same price.
The older ‘used’ stuff is typically too large for these small tractors anyway.
You can get an adapter to JD that will use SSQA so you could use both. I believe the adapter is an easy on and off setup. Might be worth an episode. Lol
I'm a JD guy but my kid loves the TYM "Transformers" logo.
I enjoy your videos. I have a Kubota bx and really enjoy it got from a family member who moved. In pa we don't have variety of tractors from overseas just have Kubota or ls Nh cih rebranded models or koiti doesn't seem like the other brands are perfered.
Again you are so good at presenting good information that we should know, thanks for the research .
Thanks for sharing.
Be well be safe
There are a few investment firms out there making noise that Caterpillar should buy out AGCO. If that were to happen, I would almost guarantee that the Iseki deal would be gone and there would be some T4 compliant Perkins going in their tractors. Just something to think about. Another fun fact: Cat uses Kubota engines in some of their larger SSLs and CTLs.
Tim if you only could have one tractor for your place what would it be and what brand and size?
When I bought my Kioti CK3510, I was comparing it against the Kubota and was surprised at how similar they were. But there were just little things that were better on the Kioti like the fuel tank being on the back easy to get to not up on the hood, or the steering rack on the Kioti being tucked up and out of the way not hanging low like the Kubotas. I also didn't like the HST pedal on the Kubota were you have to use your heel to back up, I ran a buddies Kubota for a day and my ankle was sore after only running it for two hours.
So long as you have a good dealer with good customer service more power to you. Enjoy.
Man I would never ever recommend anything kioti
Even though it wasn't considered a compact tractor because of the era it was made John Deere had a tractor of similar size to the Allis Chalmers and the Farmall Cub you showed if not smaller. It was the John Deere LA. It's hard to judge the size of something in a photo until you can see it in person. But there is an older couple who live closer to my friend and they run a John Deere LA in the summer for tilling and plowing their veggie garden for the summer. When I go over sometimes I catch it in action but most of the time it's sitting. But for a tractor made in the 1940's it's a tiny little thing. I would say if you were to put a modern compact tractor next to it the compact might be a tad larger.
As for Massey Ferguson, from what I know (which isn't much) the only tractors MF doesn't make are their subcompacts and their compacts. When you start getting into their larger utility based machines like the 2600H series it starts turning into an AGCO built product. But again, I'm not an expert and everything is just a guess. Mainly because I know AGCO does indeed make MF's larger farm tractors. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Kioti is a good tractor Tim you should get one
Not sure why you included Solis in this list. TYM makes a number of brands (mostly sold in Europe, India) including the new Summit brand which basicly is an upscale Solis. I think Summit is going to be a real rising player in this market they are doing a lot of marketing on RUclips with GWT who like you comes across as very trustworthy. There sales distributing is similar to RK with “big box” stores but also incorporate local authorized repair facilities in the areas they will be selling in and apparently 1/2 of those are mobile which in my mind is a plus. The tractors are also loaded (including a bucket) with no real options needed (other than additional attachments)
Great warranty at a very reasonable price, I am very impressed and expect to see them grow quite quickly as opposed to Solis for example.
TYM does not make Solis.
Solis is ITL which indeed makes Summit Tractors.
Similar model to RK because the same guy who was fired from RK is running Summit. Oh, and same guy who did Cabela’s tractors and McCormick tractors before that. Do you think the 4th time will be different?
I appreciate the information and how you update and correct statements from previous videos
But you can just buy a JD part for your "Inferior" Yanmar, right? I mean Yanmar does the engines, and are "50% partners" on the drivetrain/transaxle, so what's left? A bit of generic metal/paint and a few universal hydraulic parts? You don't have to fake "market" a paint color when you've been designing/building the best tractors for decades ... pretty simple.
I wish someone made a light, inexpensive heat houser for occasional winter use. With a roll bar they should be easy to attach.
From prices I could find online since dealers dont advertise, Kioti and LS are the most affordable compact tractors, at least around me.
Good breakdown of information. I really like the fact of pointing out deliberate misinformation. Other than than that, people make mistakes as my grand father said that is how we learn and it is a sad day when we don't learn something that we did not know before... So not big deal with me. God Speed.
The first Kubotas sold in the US were imported by and branded McCulloch.
Yes, the chain saw company.
They started selling yellow McCulloch branded Kubotas in 1965.
@Tractor Time With Tim ... Answer one question. What is the "only" tractor manufacturer that has never sub-contracted out production to somebody else ... but has provided the heart and soul to many other tractor "manufacturers" ... I'll wait.
Hmm. Who makes Kubota’s 7 and 8 series? I’ll wait.
I live in Canada where it gets really cold and will say kioti and cnh have the best cab for climate controls and insulation value
Probably why LS doesn't market as much is their deal with CNH is probably pretty solid. Decent machines all around... as far as I know, Larson Valley Farm really likes his LS tractor if you wanted to see someone putting it to work.
You forgot Bobcat. I believe they are their own design but are mfged by Daedong (like Kioti)... too what extent I'm not sure how business dealings go or if they will ever fully mfg their own compact tractor again.
i have a kubota BX2350 (i know it's a couple generations behind). there is a local massey dealer nearby and the sub compacts they sell do seem like a nicely put together machine.
A good friend has an LS. It’s been at his dealer waiting for parts since October. His dealer support is wonderful, but parts availability from the manufacturer is the issue. He has expressed his regret not going with Deere.
Unfortunately that's the issue with everyone now.
The majors are recovering at this point.
Kubota , during the biggest crunch of covid, was assembling some BX's in their Japan plant to help with the supply.
I’m enjoying your videos more each time I check in. Thank you.
I was told LS had some bad customer service. The dealers have a hard time getting warranty stuff pushed through.
1938 Allis Chalmers B crankstart very first tractor I drove at the age of 12.. to this day my favorite tractor... Pretty much why I like Kubota must be the color 😊 and a good tractor
My decision was easy, the Kubota and Deere dealers were 10 miles away, all the others were 40 or more. I borrowed my neighbors Kubota for a few hours and the treadle was terrible. I bought a JD 1023E, I should have spent a few more dollars for a 1025R but oh well. And the Deere dealer was the same one my grandfather, dad, and I had bought our farm tractors from so I trust them.
Love my Kioti - and I have a Japanese made FORD (1979 1700) which I use on a daily basis. I've had a Kubota and I would not trade my Kioti for a Kubota. Had terrible luck with Kubota AND a John Deere was the worst tractor I've ever owned.