An expensive mistake
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The rudders not supposed to hit the propeller
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Sam being furious is me being friendly.
Ya but we saw the day after, not the furious part
I’m sure Sam is still smiling while super angry and yelling, which would probably be even more scary 🤣
I know, right?
The rudder prop thing happened to me on my cape dory 27. the boat yard cut my rudder to get the prop off without asking! I believe the prior owner put a longer shaft on so changing the zink is easier. maybe use a hammer and a rod of sorts to loosen the prop to get it off. There should be a cotter pin, 2 nuts maybe, and as you know ur prop is in a keyed taper shaft becsure ur new prop has the right taper and direction, maybe 12 to 1 . not sure. use a calliper so you can measure parts as needed. Where will you get ur prop?
Sam, it is always something! Got to love your fortitude, and resilience in the challenging environment. With all of these problems you should have it all figured out in a short period of time, you will have experienced one of every type of problem at least once! Good luck!
Bummer with the prop & rudder....hope it goes better for you. You should add some bulb shape zincs (or shaped blocks for stops) each side of hull to prevent the rudder going to far .... I once had to do that with a similar tiller/rudder setup.
You did a great job showing the terror/excitement of surfing the pickle (the unscripted scream from Anne Elin (sp?) helped) which is hard to capture on camera. The med is so beautiful, thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent channel -- QUESTION -- We are planing/dreaming of getting a sailboat and launching in 3 years. We are swayed by your "small boat" approach although we could get a larger one no problem. Is it a personal thing for you to go small or, is this very deliberate in order to keep those cods down. If we made you go bigger,, up to 40 feet, which sailboat would you go for for exactly what you are doing now?
Never a dull moment Sam!!
jeez bringing me nightmares on my dads boat to bermuda, holy crap 1980s , sextant, 8ft dinghy for a survival raft. I remember reading Fastnet 10 and survival books. I was like 8. Your a badass!!
I'm getting a boat ready. We are green.
If you r near Hawaii in 3 months we could use your input. It is a 50ft 2 master.
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Thanks
Something wrong with either design or execution, because your rudder should never be able to touch the prop no matter the configuration. I'm sure it'll get worked out, it always does!
I hope a fan sees Sam's plight and helps him out!
I suggest u put a stop on that rudder otherwise it will happen again
Sorry Samwich for the misfortune of the screw.
Bummer! So now youre an engineless sailboat. Lotsa luck there. design flaw that the rudder can hit the prop. keep truckin.
Sam ,I also have a CD 28 , just wondering how the Rudder could have hit the propellor ? Has the shaft been modified or extended? Anyway Thanks so much for your great Videos, and safe Travels ! Aloha!
The shaft was too long. Now that we shortened it its not a problem. We were even able to fit a bigger prop.
Must have been a bit spooky with that big swell pushing you towards the rocks and no motor power in case something went wrong.
Don't know how long ago this was but if it's still on there, put the puller back on under tension and hit the side of the prop with a hammer.
I hit it every way i could lol. Ended up needing a torch.
Love the hair lol😂 we are Sailing Trinity ... would love you to join us on our Sun Odyssey 50 DS in 2024 for a 40 day circumnavigation around the Greek Islands... let me know of you're interested
Seems like a poor design if the rudder hits the prop
As a veteran, I have to bitch about the condition of that flag
Oh, shit, that's not good.
Gale force 8 IMHO
Beach the boat then pull it.
That doesn’t work in the Mediterranean
How is this possible?? Are boats made this stupidly??
guess all i can do to help is to like this video , even though it`s sad to hear that...
Not the right way to get a folding propeller 🤣 But there should be a physical stop so this can't happen, and it's always good to have a safety lanyard on the tools, no matter if you're up in the mast, on deck or underwater. Good luck and fair winds
I agree with your comments especially the tool lanyard part when working in or over water,a lanyard is indespable.
@@Teleflexx *indispensable
Although I'm thinking the water depth in a marina is not too much
@@rivernet62 No, but the bottom is always soft in harbors so the tools disappear into the sediment. And don't ask why I know 🤣
The trick with assemblies like your propeller pulling rig, is to put tension on the pull, then strike the encircling element, in this case the center cylinder section of the propeller. The strike causes a distortion of the cylinder walls, which allows it to pop free. In this case a bar to focus the impact and a hammer to strike the bar. I have used this trick many times over the years, it is an old mechanic's trick for lossening ball joints.
this is good advise, maybe put a strap around the puller also to hold it clamped in place ,then bang away with your hammer
I'm not a boat person, so forgive my ignorance, Q are boat props on a taper ? because if they are Patricks advice (above) is about the only way to get them off without harming the tapers, if a taper becomes damaged use the components to regrind their mating surfaces back to standard with grinding paste (once you've separated the components) and remember, as Patrick says, you hit into the taper not away, Newtons 3rd law)
@@brunorosa2227 yes they are tapered and usually with a keyway. Tapers are so beastly to seperate
both the stainless steel prop shaft and the propeller are tapered very little of the prop base is sticking to the shaft .the arms on the puller will slip off the propeller (bronze) when you tighten it. so the straps around the puller arms help get a little more force or pull.
Sams propeller is no good and he needs a new one. a few taps via a chisel or soft metal at the props base , should bring it off the stainless shaft. @@brunorosa2227
True , and use a steel hammer , the rubber one has too much give on impact.
It needs a solid blow to free the taper.
Sam, be sure to check the stuffing box. It can easily be disturbed when working on the shaft and result in too much water leaking. Been there...
Not only the stuffing box, check all the shaft, the shaft/engine connection and engine bearers! Quite a ding.
Maybe cheaper though than ramming another boat. These are the adventures that make a trip interesting to me but one you’d prefer not to have.
Hang in there, Sam, at least you have a killer assistant!
The best
I take my prop off every winter. And, when I do, I use heat and a bearing puller and it's never easy. Seems like something is going to break. Then, suddenly, there is an explosion as it finally breaks loose. And this is all out of the water. Good luck!
That shaft is too long, problem is going to happen again say the armchair surveyor.
Sam is the man , thanks for sharing.THUMB UP PEOPLE!
you can see where it was extended
Sam regulates his anger well. I've seen men screaming at the top of their lungs, blaming who ever is on the vessel for SNAFUs that were either the captains fault or the inevitable results of nature.
Maybe he didn't get angry?
Maybe he’s just chill AF
@@PepeDeezNutzNeed more chill people in this world
@@FireyAfterburner OK THAnks FOR THE COMMENT!
you meant "boys" right?
From afar one of the toughest problems you’ve faced on your journey. There was real danger there when it happened. Suppose you could have gotten the anchor down again if it was already up when it happened but wouldn’t have had much time. Safe travels to you both.
Good job man....I know how difficult it can be to maintain composure in these situations. Keep your spirits up. 🤜🤛
sam’s demeanor even when faced with sailing hell is remarkable. Almost saintly! My hero!
Hoping you find a port that won't rip you off for a haul-out. The trouble with the Med is there's little tide. Anywhere else, you could just dry out at low tide and sort out your prop. Good luck, Sam - et Bon Vent...
A large hammer 🔨 should help to remove the propeller . Be careful not to lose the woodrove 🔑 key . Regards Eugeneo Villefranche 🇫🇷
Nobody defers more maintenance and goes sailing more than Sam
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Bummer. At least you had a folding prop for a while😊
Yachts - The most expensive way to get somewhere for free!
Excellent sailing adventure video, real stuff, no B.S., polite and civilized, extremely difficult boat work. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
You need more leverage bro to straighten out the prop without having to take it off or hauling out... get a massive adjustable spanner with a long bar to fit over that sucker & lock the prop axel from rotating from inside the boat. Good luck and fair winds!😎 ⚓⛵
I am afraid you gotta go to a shipyard to solve the problem my friend.
Little tip: I've been sailing worldwide for years and the Mediterranean is the most tricky sea I've ever met.
Head up and open eyes.
Best winds.
Here's the answer mate ..
Lol - am looking at your latest video after not having dne so for a few months. Have you turned into Robinson Crusoe? Good to see you are still sailing and doing well! ;) Love it
Sam, my hat’s off to you. You handled that like an absolute SAILOR. People talk smack, but you’re cool under pressure, have balls of steel, and a damn fine woman at your side. Any woman who says, “I like to stay down for an hour.” and made you chuckle is clearly a keeper.😂
07:45 I'd say you need a new flag, but the spirit of endurance is more important than the fabric. Great content sir.
Thanks! Enjoy your videos. Your girl seems nice. (Poor Eric) hope this helps.
I'm just hearing the comments to read all the advice on how to fix something that has been fixed for a while now.
She is concerned about you Sam. “Can you drop the weight belt?”, “don’t hold your breath too long”. Better take good care of her!
Awesome your unbridled enthusiasm from dealing with Marina and and diving on pulling the prop. Thumbs Up and we looking forward your update.
Sam, check the drive shaft keyway on your engine coupler. With a prop strike this hard it will shear the key and cause slippage creating all kinds of new problems.
Will do. We ended up having to re machine the shaft and coupler
@@samholmessailing yikes! Tough break! How about the prop? Beyond repair? I was wondering about that. Best of luck and fair winds, sailor!
@@GuiSausen replaced that as well
Next time please ask me about French marinas, my mum is from Corsica and few years ago while visiting her I’ve had the same “below-what-a-sailor-should-expect” experience in that same place. I feel bad for you and I’m so sorry about your experience. You’ll find very good places in Corsica for sure. Corsica and USA share a part of history during the WW2, more as a pilot than a pure sailor I highly recommend you this beautiful book titled USS Corsica. Bon viaghju bro’ !
Old Glory is slightly tattered Sam
So what ... get over it
Sod's law… knackered prop and a huge swell pushing you toward the land. I suppose with the blade still on it is still partially balanced, unlike if you snap it off trying to straighten it. Anyway….by the time you read this you’ve probably long since sorted it out. The two of you are a good team, it seems to me (unlike Erik's partner who doesn't seem so well adapted to life on a boat).
She's already given up it seems? Erik's partner that is
@@danielmclellan7762i think he left her on shore for his Scottish adventure…but there is a big difference between the med in summer and the gnarly rough cold north Atlantic
Was Malta a planned stop or the fallback destination for repairs?
Maps shows the distance at 1,000 miles.
Ann-Elin, enjoying a typical Sam Holmes adventure?
Oh yes! And what an adventure it was! Can’t wait for the next one! 😊
Love your tenacity Sam, coping with the the frustration of the prop situation plus the infuriating marina. You'll come out of this bigger and better! Matt :)
True. All part of the journey. We ended up fitting a bigger prop in Malta that grips the water much better and clears the rudder completely now that we shortened the prop-shaft.
@@samholmessailing In hindsight (and mostly for other sailors to consider in case they face a similar situation)... I wonder if you could have placed some sort of "stop block" on the deck next to the tiller that would prevent you from turning the tiller into the path of the prop when you had the prop running. Something that you could be moved out of place when you're not using the engine. Probably would have felt like overkill even if you'd have done it I suppose.
@@BrockAngelo i was going to try something like that but the way the tiller hinges up, it wasn’t going to be easy. Fortunately the boat yard was able to make it so the prop has plenty of clearance now and will never come close to touching the rudder in the future.
I have lost count of the number of times I lost control of the tiller on my Albin Ballad as a result of giving it too many revs in astern, luckily with no problems. I find it surprising that you have got so far without the accident happening before.
my first time out this year, I hit a log....
broke a blade off my prop.
made a horrible noise...
Low data so read the transcript, sucks, seems like cross chaining a bike, needs design so can't hit prop to rudder, something off if that's even possible, much less done over and over. Seamanship is common sense, and difficult things combine at in opportune times, exponentially, high winds, marina services lacking, parts tools availability, etc. Good luck, maybe fibreglass out a notch that it won't hit, but modeling handling difference(s). Prop too big? Incompatibility?
Ok. your insane.
Your propeller got the bends. . 😂
Hopefully, you can make some stops to prevent this from happening again. Glad you have a friend to share your experiences with and thank you for not making half the video about showing a skimpy bikini like some of the other channels.
I like to tell myself, well I’d never do something like that myself. But then I remember the thousands of stupid mistakes I’ve made on the water and shut up.
Sam, thanks for sharing the good and the worst moment
In any case you keep smiling and keep your moral safe.
You are great, bothe of you
Cheers
Thank you, I will
Rough times... appreciate your ingenuity and perseverance! I was surprised to see you could swing the rudder that far. I have an PCS Orion 27 with the same yanmar you have. If you can't get the prop re-forged maybe get a 3 blade Campbell prop from Canada. Better performance than that 2 blade I had like you. They can advise you on clearance with that Cape Dory 28. Check that the rudder damage doesn't allow saltwater to reach the post since rusty over time will separate it. Best of luck to you!
2:23 - "oops... did I do that?!" (imagining you speaking in your best Steve Erkel impression voice). 7:40 ish - as some of our UK sailing friends might say,
"Them are some 'lumpy seas', Mate!"
Been watching you for years, Sam. I still think you should think of a ventriloquism act. You barely move your lips while talking. Amazing.
Find a local BLACKSMITH in that area. He will bang it to near perfect for a few dollars. Probably have to heat it up first. Try the blacksmith before you go messing with it too much.
whaaaat ???...your rudder hit the prop ???? ... than your boat is a construction nightmare ... get rid off it...
You take it all with a smile! The good with the bad; unfortunate the bad could at times be more costly. It's nice that you have significant crew by yourside to endure!!
tips. tin dunlop thixotropic glue or similar. decent size spare sailcloth. lump hamme. small starter motor. couple of squares ply wood12"x12" good . if realy long distance sail (eg YOU) get a mate to weld a drill chuck onto s. motor. if all else fails mid ocean and sail tear, you can cut sail cloth, one piece each side of tear, glue on spare cloth cut to fit bash bloody hard tween ply. messy but you are on your way! a whole year no engine single handed, wish i had followed my own advice!
You pushed the tiller so far the rudder hit the propeller???....Who the hell built your boat???.....Give them a phone call and a piece of your mind.
To untangle a rope in my prop, I put tons of weight on the bow of my Dufour 2800, which almost brought the whole prop out of the water. Didn't have to even hold my breath.
Not sure where you are but I would suggest either Port Navy service in Marseille or Port of pozzallo in sicily, they both have the help you need there. Good Luck.
Typical Sam. Level headed and over coming obstacles
When I had a tiller boat I ALWAYS threw the tiller stop to stop when tacking!
I have no idea why people keep using Windy when Ventusky is so much better.
Cannot believe the rudder hit the prop. This is never supposed to happen! Either it is the wrong prop, or the shaft is not all the way inboard, or the rudder stops are not positioned properly. You cannot have a rudder that hits the prop, ever! To remove the prop you must heat the boss, there is no other way. As you can see the angle on the puller bolt, you have lost all pull. Once the puller bolt starts twisting off on an angle, stop and reposition the puller. It must stay straight. The only real way to accomplish this with the tools that you have is to lift the boat out of the water. When you have sufficient pressure on the puller bolt, you then begin to heat the prop hub using as much heat as possible, if using a propane torch, use 2 of them. Keep the flame moving constantly around the prop hub and keep heating until the prop pops. You should have your friend hit the end of the puller bolt hard with a good sized hammer after the hub has enough heat put into it to instil a shock pop into the puller force. Best of luck, you are going to need it with the equipment you have.
Rudder made it safely through hungry orca territory only for this to happen😭
I admire your balls Sam. Sailing up an exposed coast with no engine in those seas is not something I’d be comfortable doing, in fact I’d be terrified.
Once on the East Coast of Australia I had to change a prop in the water holding my breath. Luckily I’d had it off a few months earlier in the yard so it wasn’t too difficult. But after about half an hour of arsing around in the water a guy came up to me and said “MATE, you do realise we get salt water crocs in here don’t you”!
It's a lot more comfortable than a power boat without a sail when you think about it. For peace of mind give me the sail anyday!
Rose you can be blasé about some things, but neither the rudder nor prop are one of them!
Thank you for sharing your adventures! I’ve never sailed, but love the water and boats. I enjoy your attitude, sailing, excursions, and even mechanical repairs. You also have a lovely lady with you at times. I’ve subscribed and watched many of your videos and will probably watch them all!
Thanks for watching!
Sail without an engine like Kevin Boothby on his Channel : How to Sail Oceans '
Why do divers always go backwards at the start.
Well if the did it the other they woild just fall into the feckin boat.
How do you decide where go dive. Do sharks come into play or you just take the risk?
“I got really mad.”
And he didn’t film it. I would pay good money to see Sam get mad.
I am surprised you can't lock the rudder so it doesn't move.
(6:50 - 7:35) I think anyone who steers a sailing yacht in such a choppy sea is already a hero. Sam, congratulations! You're a hero!Я думаю, любой, кто управляет парусной яхтой в таком неспокойном море, - уже герой. Сэм, поздравляю! Ты - герой!
Sam donning the garb of Hunter S Thompson is kinda fun!
Drill some more holes, that fixes everything hehe....
I have a transom hung with outboard and my rudder hits my prop easily so i got damaged on rudder
I recon some companies should send a few propeller’s so you have spares.
Sorry to hear about your problem Sam. As the propeller has not been of for a very long time it seems that you have to lift the boat and get the propeller of and the rudder repaired before you put on a new propeller. Give it some time and try to find a place nearby where they can lift your boat. Some of those who should be serviceminded are awful. Good luck. I´m sure you will solve this problem. I have seen your capacity. 😢
Sam you got a hottie with you now.. she seems shy, but nice, enjoy
Sam being furious is me being friendly.. Hang in there, Sam, at least you have a killer assistant!.
those conditions would scare me shitless. not cut out to be a blue water sailor i guess.
Kika and Dan visited many yards on Sardines, maybe they know where tot go.
I heard they were in Olbia after sailed to malta. Wish I had known which yard they went to. The one i tried there was the worst.
It’s been up like a corkscrew😊
Note to future self, have tools to remove prop onboard.
Good luck at the next marina 🤞🏻🤞🏻☘️.
Repair procedure is shown in African Queen movie.