I forgot to mention the Supra in the video! It is impossible to remember every thing in real time in one take. Which is why I wrote 2,000 words on the car also! I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
Matt, great article! However there isn’t a comparison to the supra in this article. Perhaps you and Zack could make a head to head comparison some time this summer between the two?
Put this on a road course against a Cayman or a 1LE. What Kool aid you been slurping down Matt😅 just watched the supra beat that Z by a bus length on Camissa's review😂
In fairness, Toyota and Subaru proved that handily. The 86 sold far more manual than auto and cheaper than a Z (in either era). It quickly became a generic staple of the enthusiast scene, it’s a huge success. Nissan is mostly continuing to do what they’ve always done. Make small improvements on their basic platform and deliver a driver’s car that performs well. It’s a pretty steady progression. And despite the lack of fanfare they’ve been one of the best in this area for a long time.
@@silaszebedee9331 What? Those two cars are nowhere near each other in terms of class, handling dynamics, or any other measurable metric. You're comparing apples to hotdogs.
Looks great but base car should've come with an LSD considering every GR86 has one... 400hp too much not to. Or at least make it A $1-2k option separate from the $10k performance package
Yep I was thinking the same. Should have made a technology pack and performance pack. Technology gives you power seats, bigger screen etc and the performance gives you bigger brakes, lsd, bigger wheels/ tires and spoiler.
The reason they didn't is because the new z has a lsd with clutch packs which is different from the old lsd and more expensive. The price of that included would put it at the supra starting price. I think they should of included it for a 45k package but I bet they wanted to say on paper that it starts cheaper than the supra.
The difference is that this car isn’t comparable to a gr86 it’s more of a Supra competitor and with a cheaper msrp than a base 2.0l 4 cylinder supra and you still get that 400 horse VR engine that is on the even more expensive q60 and q50 rs also very similar to the gtr engine
@@touayaaj84 not saying it isn’t heavy, but the reviews I’ve seen seem to indicate that it doesn’t feel like a boat, which was something people were worried about
The most direct competitor to this car in every aspect is the Supra, not the BRZ, or the Mustang. Pretty weird not to mention it, but I guess that Matt just blanked on it.
@@hot0527 So they're both two-seat Japanese coupes, with 3 litre turbo engines and roughly the same power, but they don't compete with each other...Right, makes sense.
So happy to hear about the shift action / improvement over the 370z. That was my only main concern, along with any major unexpected downfalls. Seems like Nissan did not just play the marketing hype game when talking about driver engagement. Can’t wait
The price bump for the trim levels seems heavy considering what you get. The only real performance upgrade that you would not replace anyway is the rear diff. MAYBE the brakes if you don't track much but I would expect folks who are tracking more than a couple times a year would probably do larger brakes than anything available anyway. 10k goes pretty far in the aftermarket if you are a DIY enthusiast. It's almost like they talked to the HPDE guys and they said "All we need the big motor, and a manual trans, and that diff you guys use sucks" during some early design group session. Then they changed to a clutch type LSD without re-visiting that decision.
@@pattisonvidal3909 Tires are the FIRST upgrade anyone who is going to do upgrades will change. How much more are the tires than what comes on the sport I wonder? That's the thing, the package is priced like the car doesn't come with those parts AT ALL.
Even as a domestic guy, I love this car. I think it's the best looking 2 seater to hit the market in a long time. I also like that it's obtainable for those in the middle class. If I had the money it would be very hard for me to choose between this and the Camaro
I'm a Japanese guy in America and have only had domestic cars. V8 Mustangs and Challengers only. Never had a JDM. But I would heavily consider returning to the Fatherland's cars with the new Z 👀
@@user-pn3im5sm7k No shame in that, I love my Corvette but the new Z is awesome. I even looked at Z32s before I bought my Vette. Never was a 350/370 fan and owned a Mustang back then. Sports cars are about emotion and if you find one that works for you then go for it.
no offense but i think japanese sports cars are better at keeping their value. also, im a fan of japanese sports cars so buying the Z is a no brainer for me. imo american muscle cars are dead bc they will discontinue V8 engines.
@@badboy-gn8fu You realize that American V8 cars have been subsidized by their 4 and 6 cylinder version for decades already? If Ford didn't sell 5 4 cylinder cars for every V8 there wouldn't even be a Mustang at all. Even without the V8 they will still sell Mustangs. Charger/Challenger is about to switch to a 3 liter inline 6 turbo engine to replace the 5.7 HEMI V8. Things are changing for the worse but the party isn't over yet. If only people would open their eyes and realize all the green washing is BS that would be nice.
This video just made my day happier knowing that the real sports car formula is still alive through this masterpiece of a car. It is really the first time I'm watching a video of you driving that urges me to drive the same car as well RIGHT NOW, the 400Z is just everything a true driver, a true enthusiast seeks, and I'm happy it delivers it.
Turbo speed sensors also helps prevent overspeeding the turbo which is especially important at altitude and the pressure ratio across the compressor increases
As someone who fell in love with the GR Yaris, I am so damn curious where the new Corolla is going to land. Imagine if Subaru and Mitsubishi chimed in, 1990's all over again!!
As a Porsche guy I gotta admit I really like this car, can’t wait to see what nismo does with it down the road. Tuner will have a field day with the new TT engine. Great review as always Matt!
Markups and demand. Even Mitsubishi Mirages were selling thousands over their base price, some over 18k, for a car that a lot of people bought for 11k brand fuckin new, which MSRPs around 14. The 86 is ostensibly affordable but you’ve got dealer selling them at 40 and over. There’s apparently not a lot of manufacturers willing to demand that their dealers cut the shit and stop doing markups. I think a few years down the line, this car will sell closer to the intended price.
With Nissan in financial straights thanks to the previous scandal with their former CEO, we're lucky we even get a new Z, let alone one that's this competent. No one should be complaining about the lack of a differential. The Z is a platform that was designed with the anticipation that future owners will upgrade/customize the car to their liking. With a simple flash tune, this car can already beat a stock Supra. While the Toyota has better specs from the factory, (given most owners are likely to modify either car), it's really up to the way each individual builds out their car, and being that the Z is 100% manufactured/designed by Nissan, they do get more street cred with their target audience for making the car completely on their own. Long live the Z! #nismo #fairlady #z35 #jdm
"The Camaro is kind of old." 🤣 So is the Z. I dont care that it only has 2 seats, the Z is in the same performance class as the Mustang/Camaro. This Z is nice.
@@StanMarshimportskillUSjunk sorry bud but you are way off. A standard SS will mop this car, if you want to talk top performance trims then an Ss1le (or base Mach ) then it will leave its rear view mirror by the first lap. I like the new Zs alot but I doubt they will post as quick lap times.
I’ve watched you for YEARS and always come back to you cause of your no bs reviews. You don’t use a whole bunch of crap typical journalist filler words. And even more importantly, you actually push these cars and light up the tires to fully test it out. Tired of these other people doing half baked jobs… it’s a performance car, we wanna see it perform lol. Awesome job as usual
Literally watched your video for the fact that you always do your due diligence for us tall guys. Surprisingly the 350Z is much more accommodating for us tall guys than the 370Z and this car now.
Man, Nissan really knocked the styling of this one out of the park. I love the two tone paint with that chrome trim following the roofline down. The Supra with the inline-6 makes a better noise and has a nicer interior, but looks alone, this takes it for me.
@@jmakhlouf422 Can't get used to the grill and the head lights. Also the digital dash looks so cheap. It makes my s2000 dash look expensive. That's because it was expensive at the time, but this Z dash is just cheap.
@@TheChannel1978 And that virtual tacho clock hand thing looks awkward too, I don't mind digital if it was done in style like Honda did with the S2000 and FD2. These days it all looks like mobile apps or something.
The lumbar adjustment is on the right side on the driver's seat. *IT DOES HAVE LUMBAR ADJUSTMENT* I just don't want anyone to not buy one because you said it doesn't have lumbar support. Love the videos as always. My favorite car review channel.
I had a 370z and loved it despite some of the gripes I had about it. I was thinking about waiting for the 400z but was afraid it was gonna be too much like the 370z since it used the same platform. From what I’m hearing though it seems like a great car. Maybe I revisit it in a few years cuz I bought something else.
Hagerty ran a 12.3 @ 116mph in the 9-speed auto version of the Z. They claim the Z could have run a better time if it had better tires. They criticised the stock bridgestones for not providing enough traction. They also tested the 6-speed manual. The manual ran 12.8 @ 112mph.
@@electrikoptik when you say tc converter I thing of rubber belt oh wait trash ass Nissan do use belts in there transmission. Fuck them.. vq motors always burning oil. OK for a little 4 banger honda motor but big v6 that's a no
i try and keep the price down as much as i could but i’d REALLY want the LSD. $50k for a Z seems like way too much unless it’s a NISMO. that would prob be $55k+
I agree. Base should have been the 300hp version since it has no LSD. That could have started at 35k. Then a 10k jump for the 400hp version with bigger brakes, LSD, etc would make sense at 45k. At 50k, it is too close to the Supra price and has already been proven slower.
eh i disagree that there should be engine options . a brand new car in 2023 with an NA engine is unheard of , even toyota is going with forced induction these days . the old Z used to start around $32, $33k . pricing this high brings it out of its target market imo . i mean really who the hell has $50k to blow on a mid-spec nissan Z car? is $50k becoming the new normal for 'cool' cars in the world?? then when its killed off they'll wonder why it hasnt sold well (just guessing). in either case i could not swallow a $500 to $600 lease payment for a 'Z' car. the Z went from affordable to not . disappointing and im personally not sold on the front end either . i want to love it but DAMN YOU NISSAN!!! (also side-eye to the new 'InTeGrA') .
@@BigDavoNorriwong people mod leases all day long bro , deff not uncommon . all im saying is the 2020 Z started at $30,090 . a 33% increase in base price is immense for cars.
@@josxph7924 still sucks though 400HP, 40k with an LSD would’ve been the icing on the cake for this car … Supra and the Z seem extremely closely matched it’s really about preference at this point
@@terrancecollins2696 yeah I totally agree with you man! I wish they would have found a way to put an lsd into the sport and still making it profitable, but you cant have everything, I'm just happy this car lived up to its hype!
@@q6_zilla So many people forget that you can change stuff on a car. Especially the tires. Idiots on youtube yell about how the tires are a dealbraker on the car when you can just get some Michelins and sell the Bridgestones tp help pay for the Michelins.
It’s interesting how much variance I’ve seen with the clutch/shifter situation. Some people like Doug think the clutch is springy and the shifter isn’t precise and some people like you seem to enjoy both. That just shows how things like that are personal preference and no matter how many reviews you watch you won’t know until you drive one yourself.
Nice. They made the right improvements here. Stickier Michelin PS4S tires would be a great upgrade for sure. And it's great that Nissan is offering Nismo brake pads for track work. Super worthwhile upgrade and you don't have to worry about smoking your street pads. Nismo exhaust will probably also be worth it. Well done.
nissan got the Z Performance pricing TOTALLY WRONG! They try to come close to the 6-pot Supra JUST in pricing. I think the BASE will be a better buy but still, it's a stripped to a price point model. Why DO all manufacturers overprice their TOP trim so much?
Same - I had a 1990 300zx Twin Turbo back in the mid-90's, but have never driven the 350Z/370Z. I feel both being twin-turbo V6 and roughly the same weight and size, it could be similar. Though the new Z is actually 200lbs less in weight and with another 100hp and with modern rubber - so theoretically if they didn't mute the road feel, should be better.
I dunno, the more reviews I see the more it just seems like a 370z refresh with an updated engine. It’s way too expensive in Australia with only the top trim being available. Starts at 80k! I’d rather spend a bit more on the Supra and get a far nicer build quality.
I put a 1k deposit down a few months ago. Got told yesterday pricing is just under 85k aud drive away. It pains me to say but it just feels too much for what you're getting. For 85k I could get a mint M2 or RS3 and pick one of these up in a few years for a lot less. Currently have a m135i lci and it's outstanding.
The more I see it motion in these videos, I really dig the look of the design, especially with the black roof option. I wonder how the fully painted ones will look.
I’m looking forward to the aftermarket support for the car and what enthusiasts do with it! I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be one of the cleanest sports cars on the road under $50k
Nice video, and we appreciate your insight into this car. It is journalists like you that help to determine if a car should be considered. I love everything I've heard about this car so far; a big enough engine with twin turbo; your choice of transmissions; RWD. Its fast and capable and has the right architecture to be anything you wish it to be. So its a tuner's dream to go as wild as they want, or just leave it stock with maybe just a remap and watch it get even better. You've seen what Motive Way has already done, and AMS has got this car doing mid 10s on the 1/4 mile with just mild bolt-on parts and and a remap. So why do people keep comparing this car to a GR86 or BRZ when they are not even in the same category? Not even close.
Nissan rep was like "I need you to make the exterior shots of the car look like it's going SUPER FAST" Matt "I got chu fam" (10:49 and some others lol)
Thank you for not saying so many bad things about a car. There are good qualities too about the z. Depends on your usability and what you're using it for but like you said for AG. T car, some people don't need a lot of horsepower for everyday driving car. It's practical if it was someone to get a 1000 horsepower, that's the wrong car. All depends on what you're using it for and in reality, we don't all live in a freaking desert where nobody lives and it's easy to drive, but again, sensibility, where everyone could drive and nowadays. Unfortunately, the dollar doesn't go the way it used to. But AG t car is what it is and that's what we want, some of us do. I'm always a big fan. Yes, they have the mixture of old and new, but that's not always a bad thing too. It's a good car, but there's other websites out there. Sometimes they just bash everything and say negative things, everything has a prone to con it all depends on what you're looking for but I think this guy is knowledgeable. Matt about his cars. Some people have RUclips channels that just read 2 cards. All depends, so does Jay Leno, he thinks it's a good car that's someone I could respect he's a mechanic, an engineer by trade. Thanks for the information I like to get one. Yes, I could drive a stick, but sometimes, you may not always want to be in the mood to drive a stick, some people are lazy not saying that's bad thing, but sometimes getting old by driving a stick in the city is not. It was a good thing, but all depends on your preference and looking down to people just 'cause they don't want driver steak. Is dumb but 6 are good things for cars all depends on your use.
@@mogulme6190 Going by MSRP here. 1LT manual is $35,195. GT is listed at $37,275. Both are less than $39,990 for the Zzzzz. If you are talking about real-world prices, the performance elite that is the Versa-selling Nissan dealers are going to mark up the bejesus out of the Z and the price gap will be five figures.
They must have asked him not to mention the Supra... with better tires this maybe faster to 60. Or will at least match it. Looking forward to some comparison videos-
Forgot it in the moment, that's all. I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
@@TheSmokingTire Only thing I saw in that article about the supra was you called it bmw lol. By saying that would you say a McLaren F1 be a BMW as well for it having a BMW motor. And the new Z has a Mercedes Trans in it so would that make the new Z a Mercedes.
The Supra or the new M240i is way more car at around $50k. I’m disappointed this car is in the same price range as those two considering B58 >>>>>> VR30
Considering they saved a bunch of R&D money not developing a whole new platform, using an old engine, and borrowing a transmission, I have no idea why this thing is as expensive as it is.
Matt, how was the 1-2 gear change below 4k rpm? Did they finally revise those synchros. The Z33/34 linkage is so clunky on the 1-2 change if you aren’t giving it enough throttle.
@@nathanchildress5596 the shifter will always vibrate as the shift rod is directly connected to the transmission, so all the vibrations come through. That also allows the shift feel to be “direct” and not rubbery.
@@n9athan I love the bolt action feeling of the JK4X gearboxes. I have mine with a slightly shorter shifter and it’s great. The only thing I gripe about is that if you don’t load up the throttle before shifting out of first you get a loud clack sound/feel. All 350/370/G37/G35 have had this issue. Shifting at 75% throttle at 4k+ rpm is the solution. I noticed it also has to do with the yaw of the car - I’ve heard it was primarily noisey due to the linkage design.
Agree, they could have updated the interior look, LOTS of 370z look and feel. But they did good, probably didn't want to spend too much R&D on the interior.
It’s a beautiful thing in 2022 for an OEM to NOT just cram new tech down your throat. I like that the new Z is composed of tested, reliable running gear for the most part. Interior is nice, nothing crazy like the MK8 VW. With a tune, these are gonna be serious weapons.
In today’s reviews the shifter is complained for being too soft or detached. Sounds like they put in some dampening materials to reduce said vibrations?
Matt likes the shifter and clutch, whereas Doug D. specifically called those items out as being mediocre. Were the cars built differently or is feel on those items entirely subjective?
Heat is going to be the primary issue with this engine when going for 200+ extra horse power. My buddy has a 600whp q50 and it gets extremely hot even with his aftermarket coolers. Although that's when Ethanol is required. And I mean 600whp is still insane.
Supra is faster lighter and more expensive. Feels more refined where the z has a touchier feel. Supra is the better car but it still cost more. So the supra is more serious where the Z is more playful. I personally was so excited for the Z but for 49k for the good package I'd take a mustang GT or pay a little more for the Supra. Base model imo is the one to buy if you want to start modifying and if you're looking at 40k cars get that over the 2.0 supra... or spend the 30k on a brz and it'll be more fun for 10k less. But if you're looking at 50k cars the performance Z isn't the car you should get (imo)
So... I have a 2018 Z base. I switched the shifter with a Stillen short shifter, got a Invida exhaust. I love the fact that i don't have screens, cameras, "warning lights". Is the driving THAT different that it would warrant a change?
Always enjoy your reviews, Judgement and opinions and openness to all different things. You've a really great style with your channel, Whether i can afford the cars or not (the latter 😂). Nice job Matt.
Matt you are by far one of the best reviewers out there.. you live cars.. while most of the other "reviewers" out there saying oh its not like the old one.. or it should have been this or that.. you actually go out review the car and that's it.. great job as always
Looks pretty cool! Interesting that you didn't mention the Supra at all when talking about competitors. On paper I would prefer this Z, but I'm curious about your thoughts. (Auto vs auto I assume the Supra is better)
The Supra does it’s thing because of that superior transmission. When hagerty tested them both the Supra beat it off the like because the Supra not only has a better transmission but also it has much better tires and the Z unfortunately spun around 1st and 2nd gear and spinning ain’t wining. Hagerty did mention the Z needs much much better tires or equal to the Supra to beat it because they’re both low 12’s cars
Forgot it in the moment, that's all. It is impossible to remember every thing in real time in one take. Which is why I wrote 2,000 words on the car also! I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
Forgot it in the moment, that's all. I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
Open deck Vr30 < B58 Merc 9 speed < ZF8 (will be same with manual versions) Nissan suspension tuning < Toyota suspension tuning Nissan interior < bmw interior (determining factors being quality of materials used and overall ergonomics of the design) I love that there’s other companies out here still making manual sports cars but Nissan completely missed the mark in my opinion.
I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 2015 370z Sport 6MT. My only complaints about that car were 1) Lack of telescoping steering wheel and 2) Crappy stock seats. It looks like the "new" Z addresses those concerns, plus adds power and technology. Here are my issues with this car: This is a parts bin car. It's clearly a tweaked 370z with an engine swap to a powerplant Nissan/Infiniti has already made for several years. That would be fine, except that in order to get one with an LSD and Akebono brakes (carried over from the 370z), you pay $50k+, and that's not even including inevitable dealer mark-ups. For comparison- Less than 3 years ago, you could buy a brand new 370z Sport (LSD, Akebono brakes, 19 inch Rays wheels) for under $35k. Nissan has essentially raised the price of the equivalent "new" Z by $15k+ over the 370z, without building a new chassis. That's not good for consumers. They've priced this to compete with the Supra, disregarding the incredible value proposition this car could have been. If we look at the base model, it's still $40k+. That might not seem bad, but it's still $10k more than what you could buy a base 370z for less than 3 years ago. It's also more than you can currently pay for a base Mustang GT or Camaro LT1. Even in the current inflated market, those cars are selling for under $40k in many parts of the country. You could buy a brand new 7th Gen Corvette for under $55k 2 or 3 years ago. As much as a love the Z, that's a better sports car. Even now there are used, low-mileage C7s out there for well under $50k. I think this Z34.5 would be a home run if the base model started at $35k, and the performance trim topped out at $42-43k. I just don't think we're getting enough "new" sports car for the price.
You didn’t have an issue buying the 370z when it was a tweaked 350z as well? The 370z has a viscous lsd, the new Z has a clutch type, it is not carryover. You’re forgetting to account for inflation too..
Nice this was the video I was waiting for. Seems like a good value here and I bet that engine has some real potential for power with aftermarket upgrades. I think I like the rear of this car a bit more than I like the front, but overall it looks pretty good.
I came here right after watching DeMuro's review. He was complaining about the shifter and the clutch. I'm more inclined to trust your word on the matter.
The first non one/two take vid in a while. I really want to like this car because I love the old Datsun z cars but the front still looks 75% complete to me and still needs some work imo.
Just casually compares it to a Porsche 😋 The Camaro is a bit old? Put that Z on a road course and it will fall flat on its face. Center of gravity is still way too high and wheel base too short. Weight distribution and just weight to power isn't even in the same league as other cars. That hard plastic center console looks like fisher price in a 50k car?? Door style is like from 2003. No heads up display. Yeah go ahead and dismiss as SS or a 1LE. It's overpriced and you are gonna need alot of nismo stabilizers and suspension work to even hope to compete with a Porsche. What Kool aid did you drink on that day😂
I have to say the review feels way too lenient. Matt claims to address the Supra by pointing us to his article but it's only mentioned once how it's a BMW and there is no comparison. Let's just look at the fact that for being literally the same price for a similar spec (LSD etc) you're getting less performance than the Supra. I know this part is out of his control but I don't feel like we get to see the car at the limit in any of the journalist desert driving vids. With the Supra we got to see plenty of oversteer on a tight & technical track at Summit Point VA. I'm not a BMW Supra fan boy and I'm happy the Z is real but I can't help but feel nobody wants to be real honest with this car.
@@flyingphoenix113 I believe also a V6 Bi-Turbo? Quite possibly the same block as used in the DeLorean. Great looking cars, I remember a couple of locals owning them. A friend nearly bought one but it needed too much work.
Use to own 2 Z before. 350Z and 370Z miss them. Always a Z fanboy! Can't wait to get one or wait for NISMO Z? I like your car reviews! You are one of top 10 on youtube if not top 2.
The Camaro SS is still the most insane value in sports cars in the world. Add a 1le package for $7k and it's game over. I can't do this Z while the Camaro exists, even if it only has one model year left, ever. Not to mention, this is probably the end of roaring American V8's.
I live in Houston and called various dealers about getting one. The cheapest ADM (additional dealer mark-up) I could find was an extra $2200 and up dealers planned on additionally charging for the car. Wonder if Nissan knows about this....I just can't bring myself to pay an additional $2200 for window tint, fabric & paint protection. I'll just keep driving my 2022 BRZ.....
This and the new GR Corolla look great, I'm curious if they'll do a Nismo version of the car too. They nailed the styling in my opinion, the perfect amount of old and new
I forgot to mention the Supra in the video! It is impossible to remember every thing in real time in one take. Which is why I wrote 2,000 words on the car also! I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
You can't say u mention the Supra in the article when it's bareley one sentence
GR Supra is on a totally different level to this......suped up 370z
Matt, great article! However there isn’t a comparison to the supra in this article. Perhaps you and Zack could make a head to head comparison some time this summer between the two?
@@trek800z8 I'm sure they will discuss it a lot on the next crew show podcast
Put this on a road course against a Cayman or a 1LE. What Kool aid you been slurping down Matt😅 just watched the supra beat that Z by a bus length on Camissa's review😂
I hope this car succeeds. This will show manufacturers that an analog feeling, manual gearbox, fun rwd car is still profitable/desirable.
In fairness, Toyota and Subaru proved that handily. The 86 sold far more manual than auto and cheaper than a Z (in either era). It quickly became a generic staple of the enthusiast scene, it’s a huge success. Nissan is mostly continuing to do what they’ve always done. Make small improvements on their basic platform and deliver a driver’s car that performs well. It’s a pretty steady progression. And despite the lack of fanfare they’ve been one of the best in this area for a long time.
@@jclark1693 you're right. The brz/86/etc is a great platform for the price.
What i meant was a "powerful" manual gearbox, fun rwd car.
@@jclark1693 I enjoyed my 350z. But, the Tesla Dual Motor Model 3 is much better than the Z.
BMW and Porsche never left, and Mercedes and Audi will never return. There's nothing to prove.
@@silaszebedee9331 What? Those two cars are nowhere near each other in terms of class, handling dynamics, or any other measurable metric. You're comparing apples to hotdogs.
Looks great but base car should've come with an LSD considering every GR86 has one... 400hp too much not to. Or at least make it A $1-2k option separate from the $10k performance package
Yep I was thinking the same. Should have made a technology pack and performance pack. Technology gives you power seats, bigger screen etc and the performance gives you bigger brakes, lsd, bigger wheels/ tires and spoiler.
Agreed, this will leave room for the aftermarket. Makes you think they do it intentionally
The reason they didn't is because the new z has a lsd with clutch packs which is different from the old lsd and more expensive. The price of that included would put it at the supra starting price. I think they should of included it for a 45k package but I bet they wanted to say on paper that it starts cheaper than the supra.
@@jeffkelly9197 yeah look at the GR86 tho. Starts at $28k and all come standard with Torsen.. newer platform too
The difference is that this car isn’t comparable to a gr86 it’s more of a Supra competitor and with a cheaper msrp than a base 2.0l 4 cylinder supra and you still get that 400 horse VR engine that is on the even more expensive q60 and q50 rs also very similar to the gtr engine
When you are poor enough that for the first 5 minutes you think Matt got excited to see a 328i. Lol. Makes much more sense once he caught the Ferrari.
I literally word for word thought the same thing “why is matt excited about a three twenty- ohhh ya id be excited too”
Ha ha ha honestly, that's exactly what I was thinking also.
I’m happy that this car is good. I was worried it was gonna feel super old and heavy. Seems like a pretty appealing package.
fully with you on that opinion, I was scared it was getting a little too overhyped and will not live up to it, but from reviews it looks like it does.
Me too, I expected him to hate on it big time
3602lbs is heavy.
It's super heavy. My IS500 has 72 horsepower and only weights 300 pounds more. And it feels a lot more luxurious.
@@touayaaj84 not saying it isn’t heavy, but the reviews I’ve seen seem to indicate that it doesn’t feel like a boat, which was something people were worried about
The most direct competitor to this car in every aspect is the Supra, not the BRZ, or the Mustang. Pretty weird not to mention it, but I guess that Matt just blanked on it.
He doesn't really like the Supra.
Probably because it doesn't compete with the Supra... The Supra is Supra
@@hot0527you mean bmw Z4upra?
@@hot0527 So they're both two-seat Japanese coupes, with 3 litre turbo engines and roughly the same power, but they don't compete with each other...Right, makes sense.
Sooo we are going to ignore a camaro ss 1le with $45,000 msrp is not a competitor to this?
So happy to hear about the shift action / improvement over the 370z. That was my only main concern, along with any major unexpected downfalls. Seems like Nissan did not just play the marketing hype game when talking about driver engagement. Can’t wait
Just a heads up that it does have lumbar support! They snuck a little lever on the side of the back rest facing the center console
The price bump for the trim levels seems heavy considering what you get. The only real performance upgrade that you would not replace anyway is the rear diff. MAYBE the brakes if you don't track much but I would expect folks who are tracking more than a couple times a year would probably do larger brakes than anything available anyway. 10k goes pretty far in the aftermarket if you are a DIY enthusiast. It's almost like they talked to the HPDE guys and they said "All we need the big motor, and a manual trans, and that diff you guys use sucks" during some early design group session. Then they changed to a clutch type LSD without re-visiting that decision.
If you're gonna mod, the base is for you, if you keep your cars stock, the performance is for you.
Pretty horrible you don't even get the Akebonos with the sport anymore. I can only imagine what else they're gonna try to justify.
@@NFSINSANE The Akebonos were never offered in base Zs
Tires?
@@pattisonvidal3909 Tires are the FIRST upgrade anyone who is going to do upgrades will change. How much more are the tires than what comes on the sport I wonder? That's the thing, the package is priced like the car doesn't come with those parts AT ALL.
Some other people are dropped their Z videos today but I waited for y’all’s
Even as a domestic guy, I love this car. I think it's the best looking 2 seater to hit the market in a long time. I also like that it's obtainable for those in the middle class. If I had the money it would be very hard for me to choose between this and the Camaro
I'm a Japanese guy in America and have only had domestic cars. V8 Mustangs and Challengers only. Never had a JDM. But I would heavily consider returning to the Fatherland's cars with the new Z 👀
@@user-pn3im5sm7k No shame in that, I love my Corvette but the new Z is awesome. I even looked at Z32s before I bought my Vette. Never was a 350/370 fan and owned a Mustang back then. Sports cars are about emotion and if you find one that works for you then go for it.
Same for me but between the Z and Mustang gt
no offense but i think japanese sports cars are better at keeping their value. also, im a fan of japanese sports cars so buying the Z is a no brainer for me. imo american muscle cars are dead bc they will discontinue V8 engines.
@@badboy-gn8fu You realize that American V8 cars have been subsidized by their 4 and 6 cylinder version for decades already? If Ford didn't sell 5 4 cylinder cars for every V8 there wouldn't even be a Mustang at all. Even without the V8 they will still sell Mustangs. Charger/Challenger is about to switch to a 3 liter inline 6 turbo engine to replace the 5.7 HEMI V8. Things are changing for the worse but the party isn't over yet. If only people would open their eyes and realize all the green washing is BS that would be nice.
This video just made my day happier knowing that the real sports car formula is still alive through this masterpiece of a car.
It is really the first time I'm watching a video of you driving that urges me to drive the same car as well RIGHT NOW, the 400Z is just everything a true driver, a true enthusiast seeks, and I'm happy it delivers it.
Z reviews everywhere but this is the one I was waiting on😎
Turbo speed sensors also helps prevent overspeeding the turbo which is especially important at altitude and the pressure ratio across the compressor increases
As someone who fell in love with the GR Yaris, I am so damn curious where the new Corolla is going to land. Imagine if Subaru and Mitsubishi chimed in, 1990's all over again!!
I doubt Subaru will spend millions on developing a new STI engine configuration. Mitsubishi cross eclipse…I hope I’m wrong but we can all hope.
A Yaris lol
@@TexasVexes another boring cross over, no one wants that.
Subarus blowing their load on electric STIs lmao 😂
Mitsubishi watching everything right now crying 😭
As a Porsche guy I gotta admit I really like this car, can’t wait to see what nismo does with it down the road. Tuner will have a field day with the new TT engine. Great review as always Matt!
Dittos
Great car, shame MSRP is a myth but so are many other cars.
Markups and demand. Even Mitsubishi Mirages were selling thousands over their base price, some over 18k, for a car that a lot of people bought for 11k brand fuckin new, which MSRPs around 14. The 86 is ostensibly affordable but you’ve got dealer selling them at 40 and over.
There’s apparently not a lot of manufacturers willing to demand that their dealers cut the shit and stop doing markups. I think a few years down the line, this car will sell closer to the intended price.
Don’t buy over msrp. If you can’t get it at msrp then pass.
With Nissan in financial straights thanks to the previous scandal with their former CEO, we're lucky we even get a new Z, let alone one that's this competent. No one should be complaining about the lack of a differential. The Z is a platform that was designed with the anticipation that future owners will upgrade/customize the car to their liking. With a simple flash tune, this car can already beat a stock Supra. While the Toyota has better specs from the factory, (given most owners are likely to modify either car), it's really up to the way each individual builds out their car, and being that the Z is 100% manufactured/designed by Nissan, they do get more street cred with their target audience for making the car completely on their own. Long live the Z! #nismo #fairlady #z35 #jdm
"The Camaro is kind of old." 🤣 So is the Z. I dont care that it only has 2 seats, the Z is in the same performance class as the Mustang/Camaro. This Z is nice.
A standard Camaro SS would mop this car up.
This car is better than a 5.0 or SS. Camaro doesn’t stand a chance
@@StanMarshimportskillUSjunk should be pretty easy to verify once track times come out
Matt doesn’t like Camaro’s because they have a hard plastic upper dash. Forget about their performance. Their kinda old…
@@StanMarshimportskillUSjunk sorry bud but you are way off. A standard SS will mop this car, if you want to talk top performance trims then an Ss1le (or base Mach ) then it will leave its rear view mirror by the first lap. I like the new Zs alot but I doubt they will post as quick lap times.
I’ve watched you for YEARS and always come back to you cause of your no bs reviews. You don’t use a whole bunch of crap typical journalist filler words. And even more importantly, you actually push these cars and light up the tires to fully test it out. Tired of these other people doing half baked jobs… it’s a performance car, we wanna see it perform lol. Awesome job as usual
Literally watched your video for the fact that you always do your due diligence for us tall guys.
Surprisingly the 350Z is much more accommodating for us tall guys than the 370Z and this car now.
Is it? Newer cars have more sound dampening, thicker pillars, more door card stuff, etc. All that stuff takes away from interior space.
Man, Nissan really knocked the styling of this one out of the park. I love the two tone paint with that chrome trim following the roofline down.
The Supra with the inline-6 makes a better noise and has a nicer interior, but looks alone, this takes it for me.
Agreed. The styling is growing on me but there are some proportions that just look weird. And why is the fuel filler door so huge?😮
@@jmakhlouf422 Can't get used to the grill and the head lights. Also the digital dash looks so cheap. It makes my s2000 dash look expensive. That's because it was expensive at the time, but this Z dash is just cheap.
@@TheChannel1978 And that virtual tacho clock hand thing looks awkward too, I don't mind digital if it was done in style like Honda did with the S2000 and FD2. These days it all looks like mobile apps or something.
@@TheChannel1978 i drove many s2000’s and those look cheap and old now 😂 how does this look cheap and you haven’t even experienced it yet?
My Brother 👏🏾 in 👏🏾 Christ, you really went through the whole video without talking about how it compares to the Supra.
Exactly! Literally the only other car thats close to this.
Won't have the bump steer or the terrible traction/stability control first of all, that already makes this better.
The lumbar adjustment is on the right side on the driver's seat. *IT DOES HAVE LUMBAR ADJUSTMENT* I just don't want anyone to not buy one because you said it doesn't have lumbar support. Love the videos as always. My favorite car review channel.
How do you not mention the Supra as a direct competitor to the Z?
That's a bmw though 😉
I think the Supra fell out of his consciousness, which is says more than actually mentioning it.
becouse the Z can't compete with the new Supra.
No manual right now
Price points are very different
I had a 370z and loved it despite some of the gripes I had about it. I was thinking about waiting for the 400z but was afraid it was gonna be too much like the 370z since it used the same platform. From what I’m hearing though it seems like a great car. Maybe I revisit it in a few years cuz I bought something else.
Hagerty ran a 12.3 @ 116mph in the 9-speed auto version of the Z. They claim the Z could have run a better time if it had better tires. They criticised the stock bridgestones for not providing enough traction. They also tested the 6-speed manual. The manual ran 12.8 @ 112mph.
Lol the auto ran a better time then the stick shift 😅
@@alanclark9000 Auto's (yes, torque converter automatics) have been faster than manuals for some time already.
@@electrikoptik when you say tc converter I thing of rubber belt oh wait trash ass Nissan do use belts in there transmission. Fuck them.. vq motors always burning oil. OK for a little 4 banger honda motor but big v6 that's a no
@@electrikoptik The only downside to autos is the lag of it engaging. I prefer manual cars because I can pull off the line faster
That's a lot faster than the 370
Petition for Matt to review weed and call them onetokes
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i try and keep the price down as much as i could but i’d REALLY want the LSD. $50k for a Z seems like way too much unless it’s a NISMO. that would prob be $55k+
Get the base and slap an LSD in it, then
I agree. Base should have been the 300hp version since it has no LSD. That could have started at 35k. Then a 10k jump for the 400hp version with bigger brakes, LSD, etc would make sense at 45k. At 50k, it is too close to the Supra price and has already been proven slower.
eh i disagree that there should be engine options . a brand new car in 2023 with an NA engine is unheard of , even toyota is going with forced induction these days . the old Z used to start around $32, $33k . pricing this high brings it out of its target market imo . i mean really who the hell has $50k to blow on a mid-spec nissan Z car? is $50k becoming the new normal for 'cool' cars in the world?? then when its killed off they'll wonder why it hasnt sold well (just guessing). in either case i could not swallow a $500 to $600 lease payment for a 'Z' car. the Z went from affordable to not . disappointing and im personally not sold on the front end either . i want to love it but DAMN YOU NISSAN!!! (also side-eye to the new 'InTeGrA') .
@@plutodestroyer12 Why would you lease a Z car? You can't mod a lease. $50k isn't so bad for a 400hp coupe
@@BigDavoNorriwong people mod leases all day long bro , deff not uncommon . all im saying is the 2020 Z started at $30,090 . a 33% increase in base price is immense for cars.
LSD should be standard across every model of this car … that’s the main downfall IMO
yeah, but with I think thats because of the supply change issues.
@@josxph7924 still sucks though 400HP, 40k with an LSD would’ve been the icing on the cake for this car … Supra and the Z seem extremely closely matched it’s really about preference at this point
@@terrancecollins2696 yeah I totally agree with you man! I wish they would have found a way to put an lsd into the sport and still making it profitable, but you cant have everything, I'm just happy this car lived up to its hype!
@@terrancecollins2696 then get a base and swap in a LSD from Z1 for about $1000 problem solved.
@@q6_zilla So many people forget that you can change stuff on a car. Especially the tires. Idiots on youtube yell about how the tires are a dealbraker on the car when you can just get some Michelins and sell the Bridgestones tp help pay for the Michelins.
It’s interesting how much variance I’ve seen with the clutch/shifter situation. Some people like Doug think the clutch is springy and the shifter isn’t precise and some people like you seem to enjoy both. That just shows how things like that are personal preference and no matter how many reviews you watch you won’t know until you drive one yourself.
I think the diff is doug was judging it on its own and here it was compared to the old Z.
and its fair to say we are going to listen to a real experienced driver like Matt Farah and not Doug quirk and features Demuro lol.
Doug is a joke lmao
@@1209MArky He's like the planet fitness of the car reviewer.
Doug’s great, but yeah driving isn’t his specialty
As a current q60 owner I’m happy to see Nissan making the necessary upgrades and keeping the price obtainable…
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Nice. They made the right improvements here. Stickier Michelin PS4S tires would be a great upgrade for sure. And it's great that Nissan is offering Nismo brake pads for track work. Super worthwhile upgrade and you don't have to worry about smoking your street pads. Nismo exhaust will probably also be worth it. Well done.
Would probably be PS5/S for a tire upgrade, they're supposed to have much improved road feel, which imo is the weakest aspect of the PS4S.
This guy out here slangin backpacks like a pro!
Your the first one who I see did a Z review that didn't jerk the hell out of the car when shifting slamming it into gears, great driving skills man
nissan got the Z Performance pricing TOTALLY WRONG! They try to come close to the 6-pot Supra JUST in pricing. I think the BASE will be a better buy but still, it's a stripped to a price point model. Why DO all manufacturers overprice their TOP trim so much?
The 10k jump between trims is insane. It isn’t 10k worth of stuff at all.
@@Chilicharger665 tell me how you could make all of those upgrades to a brand new car for 10k?
It's not even top trim. The nismo will be. They are delusional.
Nissan bringing back the Z and Toyota the Supra. Just need Mazda to bring back the RX-7 to make the trilogy perfect 🙏🙏🙏
I like the look but something about the ultra squared front grille really ruins it for me.
i liked the grille on the concept a lot
Way better in person. You pretty much never see it as a rectangle, and the slant of it is much more prominent in the flesh.
@@daniel-boer That is definitely good to hear. I’ll be keeping an eye out for one in person so i can get a good look.
Just me chiming in agreeing with Daniel, in person it looks much better. Got to see one in person a while ago and I loved it.
Having never driven the 350 or 370 but having owned a 300zxtt, I’d be fascinated in how things have moved on in this new one.
The 300zx turbo cars are sooo much more exciting then the 350/370. I would guess the new Z is closer in feel to your old car
Same - I had a 1990 300zx Twin Turbo back in the mid-90's, but have never driven the 350Z/370Z. I feel both being twin-turbo V6 and roughly the same weight and size, it could be similar. Though the new Z is actually 200lbs less in weight and with another 100hp and with modern rubber - so theoretically if they didn't mute the road feel, should be better.
@@alangil40 your 300zx is sooo much more special feeling than the 350/370.
I dunno, the more reviews I see the more it just seems like a 370z refresh with an updated engine. It’s way too expensive in Australia with only the top trim being available. Starts at 80k! I’d rather spend a bit more on the Supra and get a far nicer build quality.
I put a 1k deposit down a few months ago. Got told yesterday pricing is just under 85k aud drive away. It pains me to say but it just feels too much for what you're getting. For 85k I could get a mint M2 or RS3 and pick one of these up in a few years for a lot less. Currently have a m135i lci and it's outstanding.
^ then get those lol
Best looking Z since the Z32, and it looks great with that metallic red
Agreed. Best and best looking Z in a long time. Even better because twin turbo.
The more I see it motion in these videos, I really dig the look of the design, especially with the black roof option. I wonder how the fully painted ones will look.
The SPORT, which is cheaper, has a body painted roof. They had a boulder gray one with Nismo exhaust at the launch event in LA.
I’m looking forward to the aftermarket support for the car and what enthusiasts do with it! I’m pretty sure it’s gonna be one of the cleanest sports cars on the road under $50k
Nice video, and we appreciate your insight into this car. It is journalists like you that help to determine if a car should be considered. I love everything I've heard about this car so far; a big enough engine with twin turbo; your choice of transmissions; RWD. Its fast and capable and has the right architecture to be anything you wish it to be. So its a tuner's dream to go as wild as they want, or just leave it stock with maybe just a remap and watch it get even better. You've seen what Motive Way has already done, and AMS has got this car doing mid 10s on the 1/4 mile with just mild bolt-on parts and and a remap. So why do people keep comparing this car to a GR86 or BRZ when they are not even in the same category? Not even close.
I miss my tuned VR30DDTT 21psi .. The 2023 having the same motor in a lighter chassis I imagine its gonna be so insane..
10:40 is the hood Wobbling around?? it looks like its moving alot 😅
Nissan rep was like "I need you to make the exterior shots of the car look like it's going SUPER FAST"
Matt "I got chu fam" (10:49 and some others lol)
Thank you for not saying so many bad things about a car. There are good qualities too about the z. Depends on your usability and what you're using it for but like you said for AG. T car, some people don't need a lot of horsepower for everyday driving car. It's practical if it was someone to get a 1000 horsepower, that's the wrong car. All depends on what you're using it for and in reality, we don't all live in a freaking desert where nobody lives and it's easy to drive, but again, sensibility, where everyone could drive and nowadays. Unfortunately, the dollar doesn't go the way it used to. But AG t car is what it is and that's what we want, some of us do. I'm always a big fan. Yes, they have the mixture of old and new, but that's not always a bad thing too. It's a good car, but there's other websites out there. Sometimes they just bash everything and say negative things, everything has a prone to con it all depends on what you're looking for but I think this guy is knowledgeable. Matt about his cars. Some people have RUclips channels that just read 2 cards. All depends, so does Jay Leno, he thinks it's a good car that's someone I could respect he's a mechanic, an engineer by trade. Thanks for the information I like to get one. Yes, I could drive a stick, but sometimes, you may not always want to be in the mood to drive a stick, some people are lazy not saying that's bad thing, but sometimes getting old by driving a stick in the city is not. It was a good thing, but all depends on your preference and looking down to people just 'cause they don't want driver steak. Is dumb but 6 are good things for cars all depends on your use.
This thing is soo damn good Great job Nissan! Props are well due! 💪
I love the styling of this new Z. They really nailed it perfectly, IMHO.
This new Z is an excellent value. 400 hp and it's cheaper than the 260 hp Supra 4 cylinder and WAY cheaper than the 380 hp 6 cylinder
And thousands more than Mustang GT and Camaro SS which are faster and don't sound like a vacuum sucking in a curtain.
@@Ficon bruh show me where you’re getting a brand new Camaro or mustang gt for under 36k right now
@@mogulme6190 he’s not, that’s why he’s bitching on the internet instead of driving one
@@mogulme6190 Going by MSRP here. 1LT manual is $35,195. GT is listed at $37,275. Both are less than $39,990 for the Zzzzz. If you are talking about real-world prices, the performance elite that is the Versa-selling Nissan dealers are going to mark up the bejesus out of the Z and the price gap will be five figures.
@@mogulme6190 i just did a few months ago for 34k bud
The small tweaks you've made in the video flow go a long way I'm enjoying it.
Agreed!
They must have asked him not to mention the Supra... with better tires this maybe faster to 60. Or will at least match it. Looking forward to some comparison videos-
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Forgot it in the moment, that's all. I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
@@TheSmokingTire Excellent article btw Matt, the best of the bunch!
@@TheSmokingTire Only thing I saw in that article about the supra was you called it bmw lol. By saying that would you say a McLaren F1 be a BMW as well for it having a BMW motor. And the new Z has a Mercedes Trans in it so would that make the new Z a Mercedes.
@@sorason931 You must not know much about the Supra if you thik all it shares is the engine
You're the only one that covered the telescoping steering column, that's a must!
At 40k yes, at 50k they totally missed the mark. It is too hard plasticy and econo on the inside to touch that price point.
At 35-40k, home run. You're right.
Agreed. The Performance model should have been $45k. Would have sold like hotcakes. Or at least offer an LSD as a $1,500 option in the base.
The Supra or the new M240i is way more car at around $50k. I’m disappointed this car is in the same price range as those two considering B58 >>>>>> VR30
Considering they saved a bunch of R&D money not developing a whole new platform, using an old engine, and borrowing a transmission, I have no idea why this thing is as expensive as it is.
I’m spreading the word, the previous Z sounded as good as some screaming while gargling mouthwash. The new one sounds better, smoother and not gargly.
the damn hood shaking though. like they did an amazing job, just still nissan quality all around
Uh every car does this at highway speeds.
@@SylasG uh no they don’t 🤣
Sorry to go off topic but what watch are you wearing?
Matt, how was the 1-2 gear change below 4k rpm? Did they finally revise those synchros. The Z33/34 linkage is so clunky on the 1-2 change if you aren’t giving it enough throttle.
He did say they upgraded the synchros, and they’re better, though the shifter still vibrates
@@nathanchildress5596 the shifter will always vibrate as the shift rod is directly connected to the transmission, so all the vibrations come through. That also allows the shift feel to be “direct” and not rubbery.
@@n9athan I love the bolt action feeling of the JK4X gearboxes. I have mine with a slightly shorter shifter and it’s great. The only thing I gripe about is that if you don’t load up the throttle before shifting out of first you get a loud clack sound/feel. All 350/370/G37/G35 have had this issue. Shifting at 75% throttle at 4k+ rpm is the solution. I noticed it also has to do with the yaw of the car - I’ve heard it was primarily noisey due to the linkage design.
Happy that my first Z road test video was Matt. He tends to call it as he sees it and can call out the comparison with other class competitors.
Interior looks quite cheap. The center screen gives me the last gen honda civic vibes
Agree, they could have updated the interior look, LOTS of 370z look and feel. But they did good, probably didn't want to spend too much R&D on the interior.
It’s a beautiful thing in 2022 for an OEM to NOT just cram new tech down your throat. I like that the new Z is composed of tested, reliable running gear for the most part. Interior is nice, nothing crazy like the MK8 VW. With a tune, these are gonna be serious weapons.
I'm here because of the RUclipsr face lol
In today’s reviews the shifter is complained for being too soft or detached. Sounds like they put in some dampening materials to reduce said vibrations?
Matt likes the shifter and clutch, whereas Doug D. specifically called those items out as being mediocre. Were the cars built differently or is feel on those items entirely subjective?
Likely subjective
most likely subjective, could be wrong tho.
It's Doug
One of them is alot more mechanically knowledgeable then the other 😂
@@drunkpolack7612 matt is certainly not mechanically knowledgeable, neither is doug...
Heat is going to be the primary issue with this engine when going for 200+ extra horse power. My buddy has a 600whp q50 and it gets extremely hot even with his aftermarket coolers. Although that's when Ethanol is required. And I mean 600whp is still insane.
Just like the old 300zx turbos! Could pour a cup of water on that engine and it would take 5 hours to find its way to the ground.
what about the supra comparison? seems like its main competitor
They have ALWAYS been competitors. Every generation, it is really strange he didn't mention the Supra. 🤷♂️
Supra is faster lighter and more expensive. Feels more refined where the z has a touchier feel. Supra is the better car but it still cost more. So the supra is more serious where the Z is more playful. I personally was so excited for the Z but for 49k for the good package I'd take a mustang GT or pay a little more for the Supra. Base model imo is the one to buy if you want to start modifying and if you're looking at 40k cars get that over the 2.0 supra... or spend the 30k on a brz and it'll be more fun for 10k less. But if you're looking at 50k cars the performance Z isn't the car you should get (imo)
@@darrin3088 have you driven all these cars?
So... I have a 2018 Z base. I switched the shifter with a Stillen short shifter, got a Invida exhaust. I love the fact that i don't have screens, cameras, "warning lights".
Is the driving THAT different that it would warrant a change?
I’d say the extract cooling and the twin turbos point to this thing being really easy to tune more power out of if that’s something you want
Excellent video Matt 🏁🏁🏁 This is why I subbed! Your reviews are OUTSTANDING!!
Cool car. Z is a legend. You are only tight in there, because you need the gym and a diet !
Always enjoy your reviews, Judgement and opinions and openness to all different things. You've a really great style with your channel, Whether i can afford the cars or not (the latter 😂). Nice job Matt.
AlwAys honest and real!
Matt you are by far one of the best reviewers out there.. you live cars.. while most of the other "reviewers" out there saying oh its not like the old one.. or it should have been this or that.. you actually go out review the car and that's it.. great job as always
Looks pretty cool! Interesting that you didn't mention the Supra at all when talking about competitors.
On paper I would prefer this Z, but I'm curious about your thoughts. (Auto vs auto I assume the Supra is better)
The Supra does it’s thing because of that superior transmission. When hagerty tested them both the Supra beat it off the like because the Supra not only has a better transmission but also it has much better tires and the Z unfortunately spun around 1st and 2nd gear and spinning ain’t wining. Hagerty did mention the Z needs much much better tires or equal to the Supra to beat it because they’re both low 12’s cars
@@Boostedsuspects Better tranmission? Better than a manual?
@@MrUltraworld No one has tested Manual Supra yet, but auto vs auto it seems like that ZF auto in the supra is much better.
Forgot it in the moment, that's all. It is impossible to remember every thing in real time in one take. Which is why I wrote 2,000 words on the car also! I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
@@Boostedsuspects I really think if you get sticker tires, it would be on par with it!
13:32 - Glad to hear it. Straying too much away from the formula on a new version rarely works out well.
How can you not even mention the Supra in this review?! Was this one of Nissan's requirements for the test?
...because this made the Zupra obsolete...
@@dericanslum1696 If thats the case he would have mentioned it... dontya think?
@@dericanslum1696
The manual made it relevant again.
@@dericanslum1696 lol okay
Forgot it in the moment, that's all. I compare them in my Road & Track article. www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a39991432/2023-nissan-z-carries-the-torch-for-analog-sports-cars/
That ezri link was not safe and the website showed as being unsecure = NO SALE BRO!
Open deck Vr30 < B58
Merc 9 speed < ZF8 (will be same with manual versions)
Nissan suspension tuning < Toyota suspension tuning
Nissan interior < bmw interior (determining factors being quality of materials used and overall ergonomics of the design)
I love that there’s other companies out here still making manual sports cars but Nissan completely missed the mark in my opinion.
Why, because it isn't a BMW. GTFOH
@@NFSINSANE because it’s a cheap looking car for the price, they couldn’t get some parts from Infiniti when they’re asking for 50k+?
Price = price :D
I've owned 4 Z-cars, including a 2015 370z Sport 6MT. My only complaints about that car were 1) Lack of telescoping steering wheel and 2) Crappy stock seats. It looks like the "new" Z addresses those concerns, plus adds power and technology.
Here are my issues with this car:
This is a parts bin car. It's clearly a tweaked 370z with an engine swap to a powerplant Nissan/Infiniti has already made for several years. That would be fine, except that in order to get one with an LSD and Akebono brakes (carried over from the 370z), you pay $50k+, and that's not even including inevitable dealer mark-ups. For comparison- Less than 3 years ago, you could buy a brand new 370z Sport (LSD, Akebono brakes, 19 inch Rays wheels) for under $35k. Nissan has essentially raised the price of the equivalent "new" Z by $15k+ over the 370z, without building a new chassis. That's not good for consumers. They've priced this to compete with the Supra, disregarding the incredible value proposition this car could have been.
If we look at the base model, it's still $40k+. That might not seem bad, but it's still $10k more than what you could buy a base 370z for less than 3 years ago. It's also more than you can currently pay for a base Mustang GT or Camaro LT1. Even in the current inflated market, those cars are selling for under $40k in many parts of the country. You could buy a brand new 7th Gen Corvette for under $55k 2 or 3 years ago. As much as a love the Z, that's a better sports car. Even now there are used, low-mileage C7s out there for well under $50k.
I think this Z34.5 would be a home run if the base model started at $35k, and the performance trim topped out at $42-43k. I just don't think we're getting enough "new" sports car for the price.
You didn’t have an issue buying the 370z when it was a tweaked 350z as well?
The 370z has a viscous lsd, the new Z has a clutch type, it is not carryover.
You’re forgetting to account for inflation too..
Nice this was the video I was waiting for. Seems like a good value here and I bet that engine has some real potential for power with aftermarket upgrades. I think I like the rear of this car a bit more than I like the front, but overall it looks pretty good.
I came here right after watching DeMuro's review. He was complaining about the shifter and the clutch. I'm more inclined to trust your word on the matter.
The first non one/two take vid in a while. I really want to like this car because I love the old Datsun z cars but the front still looks 75% complete to me and still needs some work imo.
Thanks for being my fit model 😀. You’re perfect. With love, Ken
This is a direct competitor to the Supra and you didn't even mention it. Obviously, somebody told you not to.
One of your best reviews with all the comparisons. I have owned 2 1976 280Zs back in the mid 90s. Both were a blast to drive.
Don’t know if I should lease a Z or buy that backpack … decisions decisions 🤔
Lease the backpack
Can't get it in the UK so how does it compare to an m2? Is there a Nismo version?
Just casually compares it to a Porsche 😋 The Camaro is a bit old? Put that Z on a road course and it will fall flat on its face. Center of gravity is still way too high and wheel base too short. Weight distribution and just weight to power isn't even in the same league as other cars. That hard plastic center console looks like fisher price in a 50k car?? Door style is like from 2003. No heads up display. Yeah go ahead and dismiss as SS or a 1LE. It's overpriced and you are gonna need alot of nismo stabilizers and suspension work to even hope to compete with a Porsche. What Kool aid did you drink on that day😂
Yeah it’s 50g’s for a 370 with the rs400 engine no thank you.
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why is that rear trunk open ?
same in the Supra
that is not safe
can someone explain this to me ?
I have to say the review feels way too lenient. Matt claims to address the Supra by pointing us to his article but it's only mentioned once how it's a BMW and there is no comparison. Let's just look at the fact that for being literally the same price for a similar spec (LSD etc) you're getting less performance than the Supra. I know this part is out of his control but I don't feel like we get to see the car at the limit in any of the journalist desert driving vids. With the Supra we got to see plenty of oversteer on a tight & technical track at Summit Point VA. I'm not a BMW Supra fan boy and I'm happy the Z is real but I can't help but feel nobody wants to be real honest with this car.
Savagegeese took it out on the track and loved it
How can you say there’s less performance without driving both?
I tried to stay away from anything Z until it came out, I really like what they've done. 👍👍
'Thanks for Nissan for flying me out' can't half tell.
That engine sounds very tame. Also no bark on upshifts and overruns on downshifts....... Was that hood closed?? seems to be vibrating a lot
Kinda has an Alpine GTA/A610 look to it from the rear quarter, which I quite like.
I'm glad someone else knows about that obscure car! It was always one of my favorites!
@@flyingphoenix113 I believe also a V6 Bi-Turbo? Quite possibly the same block as used in the DeLorean.
Great looking cars, I remember a couple of locals owning them. A friend nearly bought one but it needed too much work.
Use to own 2 Z before. 350Z and 370Z miss them. Always a Z fanboy! Can't wait to get one or wait for NISMO Z? I like your car reviews! You are one of top 10 on youtube if not top 2.
I'd definitely get the base model
Yup. 10k for performance pack is nutty
Yeah but the base sadly doesn’t come with an LSD which is ass
@@fusionmediaproductions280 yeah but for 10k less you can put an lsd in and still have money left over
The Camaro SS is still the most insane value in sports cars in the world. Add a 1le package for $7k and it's game over. I can't do this Z while the Camaro exists, even if it only has one model year left, ever. Not to mention, this is probably the end of roaring American V8's.
And he said the camaro is “old” the alpha chassis is far superior to the z’s
I could tell that auto was slow to downshift on the just the noise video!
frm reviews it sounds quick by itself, It could be driver shifts though the paddles.
I live in Houston and called various dealers about getting one. The cheapest ADM (additional dealer mark-up) I could find was an extra $2200 and up dealers planned on additionally charging for the car. Wonder if Nissan knows about this....I just can't bring myself to pay an additional $2200 for window tint, fabric & paint protection. I'll just keep driving my 2022 BRZ.....
No LSD standard on a $40k 400hp car is not good value. If you want a car to look cool then just get a used F-type.
This and the new GR Corolla look great, I'm curious if they'll do a Nismo version of the car too. They nailed the styling in my opinion, the perfect amount of old and new
Go work for Nissan and see if you like them. BTW the corolla gr is awesome and toyota knows the future for sure. 300hp on a open block is awesome