Very true. Safety is a big part of stage fighting and a lot of it has to with adapting the historical techniques so that they don't put the actors in danger. Even a dull sword can cause serious harm.
@TheSwordGeek I agree completely. I would only add that one of the reasons (not the only reason) more historical techniques aren't used in theatrical fencing is that they're dangerous. It'll take time to figure out which ones can be done safely, and how.
A little bit flashy for my personal tastes, but looks much better than what you typically see in movies. I would hope that medieval sword fights look more like this in future movies.
Very nice- I appreciate- and rarely see- theatrical fighting this good. Good pace, good sense of drama, not as wildly ridiculous as the fighting of many groups. the shield work needs work but overall quite good. I do think that we are reaching a point in education about Historic Swordsmanship that it is time to start incorporating more Historic European Martial arts in theatrical sword-play and there were traces of that here and there but I don't know how intentional that was.
Dude, this is stage combat. It's not supposed to be a "real" martial art, it is supposed to be dramatic and theatrical, and in that respect, it is quite good.
I have to say, actually i don't like stage combat. But this one has very good techniques, not always that unrealistic cutting-edge to cutting-edge bashing, it is very entertaining (the noise when the defeated one get stabbed X-D ) and has the merit (since peoples are influenced very much by movies) to show that european swords can look good and fast! And... The lady looks gorgeous! :-D
These guys should be lucky this is only stage combat. This sexy girl is a bad ass with her sword!! Besides the sword through the throat at 1:27 I also like the sword the sword going though the guy at 2:17
Heck, well always have medieval weapons in TV and movies (and looking at the users page, it's obvious that this is meant for acting), so if they get a bit more realistic, that's just good, isn't it? ...though I wish they'd get a bit better. It all looks ridiculous, but at least it's a bit more realistic then usual movie fighting.
In stage fighting, realism isn't an end unto itself. It *might* be desirable if the movie is supposed to be "realistic" (for example, as in the Japanese movie "The Seven Samurai"). However, in so many movies, realism isn't even a consideration, and it might even be counter-productive for some of the more fantastic ones. Don't get me wrong, I prefer to watch the realistic stuff, too--but the director drives the choreographer, not the other way around.
Greater realism, as long as it isn't allowed to go as far as to be counter-productive, to the movie (or show), is good, even if it, most often, is not specifically necessary. I don't understand, why you keep trying to disagree with me. The only thing you say, that could go against what I say, would be the argument that they shouldn't do anything, unless it is specifically necessary for the movie ...if indeed, you are saying that.
While I'd like to see more realistic stuff (because I practice WMA and know what I'm looking at), that is an irrelevant consideration. That is, as a fight choreographer, your job is to provide what the director wants. A historic swordsman instructing stage fighters on theatrical fencing is just as ridiculous as stage fighters instructing historic fencers on WMA.
No. Stage fighting is supposed to look good, and be exciting. As long as it conforms to those two criteria, more realism won't do any harm to it. It will however, give a more realistic image of fighting, and less complaints from people like us (though, admittedly, we are a small enough group, to safely be able to ignore) A HEMA swordsman is perhaps insufficient, as the _only_ instructor, for stage fighting. ...but as a complement, I don't see why it would be anything but good.
@ManYtWol Stay out of movies mate if you're looking for your 'real' fights. General theatre & film audiences don't want to see 'real' fights. 'Real' fights are messy, confusing, are over far too quickly when done right, and have no story. Also, I'm pretty sure that practitioners of iado, kendo, kenjitsu, and other katana fighting styles would take offense at your intimation that it's not a 'real' fighting style.
Nice and athletic, but there is still way too much edge on edge blade bashing for having been done by people who are obviously technically skilled. Please, people, go to the next level and figure out how to incorporate non-static historical parries with longswords, sabres, and messer/one-handers. Someone has got to do it.
Serious martial artists trying to revive the REAl art have enough trouble gaining redcognition and validity in the eyes of fighters trained in other arts, without nonsense like this compounding it. Please, stick to lightsabers and katanas.
Sigh. I'm sorry, but I can't keep quiet about this. This kind of flashy, spinny, play fight, while obviously drawing upon the fechtbucher (and the legitimate efforts of serious martial artists to revive the historical European martial arts), makes a mockery of serious efforts. Stop it. You're making us look bad. We do not need a European-inspired Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. -B.
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Great camera work and good demonstration of historical sword techniques!
Very true. Safety is a big part of stage fighting and a lot of it has to with adapting the historical techniques so that they don't put the actors in danger. Even a dull sword can cause serious harm.
Great choreography. This is beautiful stuff.
A lot of greetings from the Czech Republic. Very nice report and great design. Good luck for the future.
This is better fight choreography then what you see in most movies these days. o_O
Long live Bob Anderson!
This video is good for what it is.
Looking good! Really like the timing you guys have.
Good choreography, speed and execution! And I like the variety of weapons used.
@TheSwordGeek I agree completely. I would only add that one of the reasons (not the only reason) more historical techniques aren't used in theatrical fencing is that they're dangerous. It'll take time to figure out which ones can be done safely, and how.
nice work! Your team looks really professional
Woha, awesome! :D
this is very fine work
great video!
i love it !
@GriffinHistorical Thanks!
Awesome!
A little bit flashy for my personal tastes, but looks much better than what you typically see in movies. I would hope that medieval sword fights look more like this in future movies.
Very nice- I appreciate- and rarely see- theatrical fighting this good. Good pace, good sense of drama, not as wildly ridiculous as the fighting of many groups. the shield work needs work but overall quite good. I do think that we are reaching a point in education about Historic Swordsmanship that it is time to start incorporating more Historic European Martial arts in theatrical sword-play and there were traces of that here and there but I don't know how intentional that was.
@GriffinHistorical Thanks very much!
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Agreed.
Dude, this is stage combat. It's not supposed to be a "real" martial art, it is supposed to be dramatic and theatrical, and in that respect, it is quite good.
LOL....nice...that looked very cool
I have to say, actually i don't like stage combat. But this one has very good techniques, not always that unrealistic cutting-edge to cutting-edge bashing, it is very entertaining (the noise when the defeated one get stabbed X-D ) and has the merit (since peoples are influenced very much by movies) to show that european swords can look good and fast! And... The lady looks gorgeous! :-D
These guys should be lucky this is only stage combat. This sexy girl is a bad ass with her sword!! Besides the sword through the throat at 1:27 I also like the sword the sword going though the guy at 2:17
Heck, well always have medieval weapons in TV and movies (and looking at the users page, it's obvious that this is meant for acting), so if they get a bit more realistic, that's just good, isn't it?
...though I wish they'd get a bit better.
It all looks ridiculous, but at least it's a bit more realistic then usual movie fighting.
In stage fighting, realism isn't an end unto itself. It *might* be desirable if the movie is supposed to be "realistic" (for example, as in the Japanese movie "The Seven Samurai"). However, in so many movies, realism isn't even a consideration, and it might even be counter-productive for some of the more fantastic ones. Don't get me wrong, I prefer to watch the realistic stuff, too--but the director drives the choreographer, not the other way around.
Greater realism, as long as it isn't allowed to go as far as to be counter-productive, to the movie (or show), is good, even if it, most often, is not specifically necessary.
I don't understand, why you keep trying to disagree with me.
The only thing you say, that could go against what I say, would be the argument that they shouldn't do anything, unless it is specifically necessary for the movie
...if indeed, you are saying that.
While I'd like to see more realistic stuff (because I practice WMA and know what I'm looking at), that is an irrelevant consideration. That is, as a fight choreographer, your job is to provide what the director wants. A historic swordsman instructing stage fighters on theatrical fencing is just as ridiculous as stage fighters instructing historic fencers on WMA.
No. Stage fighting is supposed to look good, and be exciting.
As long as it conforms to those two criteria, more realism won't do any harm to it. It will however, give a more realistic image of fighting, and less complaints from people like us (though, admittedly, we are a small enough group, to safely be able to ignore)
A HEMA swordsman is perhaps insufficient, as the _only_ instructor, for stage fighting.
...but as a complement, I don't see why it would be anything but good.
good video!
But the girls win, for ever???? ;-)))
1:25 hot.
Cool choreo! Of course it's show fighting, however be hounest: Do you really want real fights? Much, much too bloody för my taste! ;)
@ManYtWol Stay out of movies mate if you're looking for your 'real' fights. General theatre & film audiences don't want to see 'real' fights. 'Real' fights are messy, confusing, are over far too quickly when done right, and have no story. Also, I'm pretty sure that practitioners of iado, kendo, kenjitsu, and other katana fighting styles would take offense at your intimation that it's not a 'real' fighting style.
Nice and athletic, but there is still way too much edge on edge blade bashing for having been done by people who are obviously technically skilled.
Please, people, go to the next level and figure out how to incorporate non-static historical parries with longswords, sabres, and messer/one-handers.
Someone has got to do it.
Serious martial artists trying to revive the REAl art have enough trouble gaining redcognition and validity in the eyes of fighters trained in other arts, without nonsense like this compounding it. Please, stick to lightsabers and katanas.
Sigh.
I'm sorry, but I can't keep quiet about this. This kind of flashy, spinny, play fight, while obviously drawing upon the fechtbucher (and the legitimate efforts of serious martial artists to revive the historical European martial arts), makes a mockery of serious efforts. Stop it. You're making us look bad. We do not need a European-inspired Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
-B.