Renaissance Combat From The 1595 Club (aka. Historical Fencing or European Martial Arts)
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2010
- The 1595 Club was founded in Sussex, England in 2002 & is dedicated to the practise, study & re-birth of the lost martial arts of Europe.
The aim of the 1595 is a practical & innovative exploration of Saviolos work - his principles, techniques & philosophy; not only of his chosen forms but also the application of these criterion to other weapons, weapon combinations & as the basis for a system of unarmed self-defence & combat.
this art to be the beginning and foundation of the art Militarie.
Vincentio Saviolo. 
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I'm forever impressed & saddened by just how well rounded European martial arts were & just how much has been ignored & forgotten as they went from mass combat to individual duelling to sports. This video really cheered me up. :)
seems like every state of popular martial arts ever in the world.
@@Shoegazebasedgenre0.Hello I just told my dad about your comment and he wanted me to say he agrees with you
Fantastic work guys!
Fascinating. Asian martial arts are more known. Europe seems to have an enormous legacy of effective techniques armed and unarmed .
couldn't have said it better myself
this is exactly why I am learning European martial arts instead of Asian martial arts, even though I am from Asia (sorry for my poor English)
I have been learning Asian martial arts most of my childhood, It's a culture thing, and yet, I still choose European martial arts.
it's just fascinating to me.
I'm still learning Longsword swordsmanship and Sabre technique right now
Such a thing of beauty is so rare in this age of fast food philosophy.
It’s precious
Looks very cool, keep the past alive. Greetings from Germany to England!
That high line rapier parry that keeps the point directed at the targets check is one of the cleverest little moves i've ever seen in a western martial arts demo.
Wow, just, wow. Sooooooo impressed! This has really whet my appetite for dear old Saviolo.
Thank you! Looks very interesting what you do!
Great video guys, very impressive. Nice to see the hooked cane in there as well :)
Well done Chirs. Looks like you finally got a space to practice. Looks awesome!
Great video guys,I've been watching videos like this for a while now and I'm glad to see that the Western arts are being revived .Beautiful rich cultural history here keep it up!
I would love to see this stuff in a movie. I think showing it in context would do much to help the art.
If I were in Sussex, England I would definitely be training with you guys. Truly living history!
Beautiful moves.
Very Impressive !
Amazing!!!!! Would love to see more of this, Great work guys and brilliant track
Awesome! Looks great guys!
awesome stuff, i'd love to see more!
I study Chinese martial arts, but I would still love to learn proper Western fencing - it is just superb. As graceful as the Wudang Sword style is, the rapier.... it's just... special...
Wonderful stuff gents and it is fantastic to see our own cultural heritage in the Western fighting arts being lovingly restored by groups such as yours. I'm sure Silver would be proud too!
Great video and great work! I had the pleasure to assist to one of your classes in "El Escorial" last year and it was most interesting! I hope you can make it this year again!
classic !! very enjoyable & riveting stuff
@motocycleonline That and many more. There are even usable techniques gripping your sword at the blade and striking with the pommel or handguard.
Friggin awesome!
Great work guys.
amazing how fluid your movements are. its the same principels that are the foundation of martial arts everywhere on earth but unfortunately our own ones arent too popular.
Amazing.
Wow! Awesome video.
couldn't agree more with your statement its good to know intelligence exists in other people.
beautiful hand and sword work
Impressive and classy. I hope to visit some day.
Superb work guys
Very fine sword and pole-arm technique.Well done chaps!
Bravo warriors!
AMAZING
Precioso...
Sweet!
ARS ENSIS is a large organisation in Hungary that I think can help you a lot if you want to start a new group.
So my advice to you is to find a friend (or ten) and start a group and try to have contact with other groups and meet them as often as you can (inviting them to you is a great way if you can't afford to travel).
@panzer903 you are right. thanks for sharing that information
Muy bonita musica y realizacion, good work!!
Thanks for posting. You may like to see the fencing scene on the first part of my amateur documentary, The Real Edward de Vere, about the life of the Earl of Oxford who appears in Roland Emmerich's movie, Anonymous.
Nice!!!!!
Thanks a lot Boudicca26 :-)
Peace
Latosa Esrima is perfect too :)
Hey tSp289, Respectfully, if you are not learning quick kill, your "Martial Art" too is a sport. There are those who have trained to make the other guy die for his country and consider that the only "win" and the award is a minute to breath. Trophies and colored belts mean nothing in that instance. However , The skill, and action do make this and your "martial art" beautiful .
This is absolutely amazing, I have to say, the sheer diversity of weaponry used here impresses me a great deal. Learning to use one weapon is no easy task; efficiently, effectively and skillfully working with one's hands as well as the entire contents of an armory? Quite a bit more impressive. I feel somewhat unfortunate not to live in Sussex all of a sudden..
In the absence of time and helpful geography, does anyone know if there's a comprehensive manual of this stuff?
Very very beautiful video. The form is great from both "fencers" in the clip. Love the slow-mo bits. As being a Longsworder myself, I especially enjoy the variations of arms I have yet to discover. Is it just me or do you sometimes reach out and knock the opponents sword away by hitting his quillons/basket? Hope to see a lot more soon. All the fighting looks tremendous.
Cheers
/Robert
@ejflecher, there is no need for them to have protective gear on their hands because when parrying a rapier you block on the flat end in order to avoid cutting yourself.
Chris, this is without doubt the best WMA promo vid I have ever seen. Who made it? And can they do ours?!
great work guys...And the bare hands method based on fencing principles looks very interesting.
Could you give the name of the song?
so true
the unarmed style always reminds me of some kind of Chinese Martial Art. I only see this comparison on RUclips but this observation comes from another site as well that also shows an Italian martial art.
What exactly are those padded sleeves you're wearing?
What's extremely interesting is the sparring with partizans. Along with half-pikes, spontoons and, of course, spears, these are really neglected weapons, though I feel they're very efficient in the right, trained hands. And this leads to halberds, poleaxes, pole weapons in general.
By the way, where did you get those partizans? They seem to be quite good.
Nice
@6arcsn1sky also note both cutlure catagorize the strike as wreslting. ancient chinese call marital arts wrestling even when the strike was already quite evolved. he european called it wrestling but the word changed when tehy began to call it boxing(early forms had grappling). there werent distiction.
That's certainly a leading theory, although any of these theories are definitely circumstantial with little evidential basis. It makes absolute sense, however, given the timeline for different martial arts for that to have been the order of succession, as it were.
Awesome! The part from 1:30 looks similar to the practice of sticky hands.
@talon115 Thinking in styles in the Asian martial arts emerged in the early 20th century ..encouraged by European paradigm.
What swords are you using @ 2.20? I myself am after a complex hilted single hander with a decent blade for sparring. They look quite lively.
@ChishioAme It depends on the art. I train both European and Japanese swordsmanship, and the JSA I train certainly has substance. It's all "high-percentage" techniques, very simple and direct. While the training is kata-based, there are variations and "what-if" scanrios practiced.
i would love to see an empty hand demonstration
nice
Sorry for a late answer and I'm even more sorry for not being able to help you. But there are some groups near that may be willing to help you start a group in Romania.
In Bulgaria you have, '"Chigot" historical reenactment and WMA' in Varna and 'School Of Medieval Swordsmanship "MOTUS"' in Sofia.
In Serbia you have 'DRUŠTVO MAČEVALACA “SVETI ĐORĐE”' in Belgrade.
In Hungary you have 'ARS ENSIS' in both Szeged and in Sárospatak near the border,
This is an excellent video. I would love to study some of the western martial arts styles, but there is no one in my area. Currently I teach and train Filipino Martial arts which undoubtedly took a lot from the Spanish during the colonial period from 1570's-1899. I would also like to say that the fighting arts ARE universal. If a person needs to know how to fight, they will make it up. it is a survival mechanism. This whole out of India business is nonsense.
I like it a lot! Does Saviolo have any staff or partisan in his text?
I think Silver would differ on the opinion of Saviolo but hey live and let live.
are these Leon Paul Quilted Canvas Coaches Sleeves you are wearing? if not - where can I get them?
Hello my friend, a question for you: i studied western traditional fencing for some year in Italy. Now i'm thinking to study Kali or Escrima. Are you talking of these arts or something similar? Do you see paralelism between the art in this video and, for example, Kali? Thank you and sorry for my broken english.
Hard-core.
was the Empty hand fighting originally found with Saviolos or was it developed from the fencing later on in england ??
@sonnylow86 theres also the problem that they found manuals showign the motion similar to european ones thousands of years before the first contact with westerners(pre dates contact with Iranic ppls as well) the chinese classified it as wrestling though there was a great deal of strikes illustrated on the silk paper
Go Uncle Chris go ! :D
@tfo23 Well, the arts that supposedly started in India refers to Asian styles such as Gong-fu and Karate and so on.
I've come to believe styles like this could be traced back to Greek Pancration or the like, but I might wrong.
By the way ... the hand to hand work looks almost identical to Old Yang Style Taijiquan drills - I know because I practice these forms. Are these hand to hand drills from Saviolo or elsewhere? If they are from Saviolo, can you direct me to the source materials? Cheers!
Swords devoted exclusively to thrusting often had no sharpened edge at all, and those that had them could often only inflict superficial cuts.
I looked through a good deal of the posts but could not find anyone referencing my question. Is it assumed that you would have some protection on your hands when training this way? I see the practitioners swatting at their opponents blade edge. I am just curious and asking out of ignorance not beligarence.
@kaindrg All right, I see what you're saying. However, it's stupid that some Indians claim kalaripayattu is the oldest martial art, but in truth, martial arts is not only fighting styles of East Asia. Also, every fighter should know that martial arts is originally a European term, not East Asian.
....and I just realized that the manual would be the one Saviolo wrote. Nevermind.
@Moviebro Fill me in bro, I'm always willing to learn. I don't think that I said anything about "west vs. East".
@sonnylow86 also theres litte record of the influence of martial arts on each other. other than bartitsu. the european and asian were quite stubborn in their ways. both very conservative in their tactics the average chinese man at arms wouldn't have encountered spaniards other than a couple of skirmishes.
@tfo23 While it's true that asian martial arts are generally prettier and more graceful than European martial arts and they make you capable of some pretty impressive feats, this is because they are designed for completely unarmored combat, while, to the (limited) extent of my knowledge (and please correct me if I'm wrong), Western martial arts are descended from armored fighting techniques.
Even so, I dread the ability of western martial artists to manipulate the hilt and crossguard of a sword
@sonnylow86 no the similarities only occur because the human body has his limits and with the hundreds of thousands of military gurus an sage all over the warring worlds there is a 90% chance they will come up with similar things because it works. the evolution come from the influence of individual weapon on empty hands. chinese is pole arms and bows. europe is swords and pole arms. its essentially grppling with the combination of weapons tactics.(chinese kung fu has more grappling too)
want to learn but there aren't many places near my town in america
@panzer903 in europe there are a lot of medieval fencing schools, here we don't got even one u.u
@sonnylow86 scratch that Wu and Yue (5th c. BC) was teh recording of soft and hard gung fu
Im so jealous of europeans. Ya'll have these trainings so close by. Wish I could move to learn from these guys. This video was a awesome!
You can look for HEMA clubs near you with HOARR's club location thing on their website. Either that, or you can learn through videos on youtube, though it'd be harder to know if you're doing something wrong.
you seriously need to make some follow up videos
@VALARLIGHT Damn straight. My big issue with Eastern martial arts (by which I mean CMA and JMA) is there's nothing of real substance. All forms are preset movements (not necessarily bad), but there's no room for derivation and there's no such thing as sparring or doing anything with intent. Everything is so ritualized that it sucks the life out of the art. And they have centuries of direct lines of teaching! Meanwhile, in WMA, you pick up a weapon, you get showed a technique, you practice it...
This is completely historically inaccurate!
They did NOT have video cameras in 1595!
But seriously though, I liked it. Nice moves. I enjoy the quickness in it.
Does anyone here know a European Historical Martial Arts association in Romania? Thanks in advance.
too each him own :)
@sonnylow86 first pasta and noodles in europe was recorde by the romans 1100 before marco polo lived
@6arcsn1sky Arts of Mars :D. plus in india wrestling pre dates kalari. since athropologicaly its consider Cultural Univerals. all cultures have it.
I can understand most people when they think of martial arts, they think of the Asian fighting styles. However, it kind of ticks me off when practitioners of an Indian style called kalaripayattu, would claim it to be the "mother of all martial arts," which is down right ridiculous.
western martial arts are way too underrated, people often have their ignorant opinion based on Hollywood movies...
With sword really is safe use the free arm like a helmet? Fingers and hands aren't in danger?
@sonnylow86 if look at MA in china the moral influence seem to be with in the alst dyansties. the ones before were strictle for training militias and bandits.
Do they have any american Branches?
@kaindrg Um, okay. I hope I'll understand your reply.
Does anyone know what this song is called?
I just know its by Whirling pope joan not sure about the name
kaindrg Ffarwel I Aberystwyth/Cote Pile, from album "Spin".
From an American perspective if some one breaks into your'e home or tries to kill you,you have a natural GOD given right to use lethal force. To preserve your'e life,by any means nessesary!