@@erikjohnson5608 pretty hard to be shredded at 260 unless you’re 6’5-6’7 or a body builder, if that’s the case then buy a gas bike because you’re weight will greatly effect the bikes performance, if you can lose weight you don’t need then send it. Shredded doesn’t mean strong or big by the way it means having a low body fat percentage.
That sounds about right for an Ultra Bee. We had a stockish Ultra Bee race in Virginia City Grand Prix and it got 30miles over 2 laps and the battery died on it at the very end.
@@michiganrips the race was 3 hours long. We were able to finish 3 laps in just under that 3 hours. So you figure about half a charge is 1 hour of trail riding and almost 2 hours for full.
i paid $3700 for a floor model admitjet armor that was brand new with 11 miles on it. bought it from a dealer. This bike is by far the most powerful electric thing ive ever ridden. and i build them for a hobby and as a side mission at my job as a maintenance tech at a machine shop where theres dozens of electric trikes used in the building like mini work trucks. I build and fix the pev's as well as build batteries for them. never had a hobby translate so well into a job. The admitjet armor has better range and more power than anything on your list. 1000nm of torque. 90mph top speed. 25kw continuous, 50kw burst, with a 4 speed transmission makes it feel and perform like like 100kw. and even when i am riding as hard as i can i get 30-40 miles range. when im babying it in slow mode (still does 60 in slow mode) i get over 100 miles range. and im 6'2" 290lbs. everyone always hyper focuses on a select few bikes in videos like this but theyre rarely the leaders in any category. everyone views stark varg as amung the apex level bikes. and it definitely is. no denying the gorgeous build quality and top notch performance and many features that are WAY nicer than something like an admitjet armor. but its not TTHHEE best.. stark varg has (on paper) 938nm torque (admitjet has 1000), 60-80hp (guarantee thats a burst spec, not continuous spec) (admitjet has 34hp continuous. 72v 300A. 25.2kw continuous. 600A burst. 50.4kw burst), 6.5kwh battery (admitjet has 5kwh.. 60AH, 72v), stark is a bad ass company that makes gorgeous bikes. But theyre also 11 thousand dollars.. no normal human being has 11 grand laying around for a toy. at least not in my world. I'm a dirt poor NY italian who grew up in the slums. i make 60k a year and spend probably 50k a year on bills and living expenses and kids and dogs and food and life.. 11 grand would take me years to save up. thats an absurd amount of money for a toy. they are definitely nice and i would rock one in a heartbeat, but that $3750 admitjet cleared out my accounts. around 4-5 grand is as much money as i can comfortably spend at any one time. i feel like thats a realistic number for most people. because most people dont have an excess of money. I'm sure theyre worth the 11k all day but for me that is an unobtainable number. especially when there are cheaper options out there that give you more speed and more power.
I have a CCW UB, with CCW Warp9 21/18 wheels. + 2 rear sprocket? I forget. Non O-ring chain, stock otherwise. Just got 37 & 40.7 miles at China Hat Oregon. Came back for several miles each ride with 6%-0% on the battery. Still under its own power at 0%! We rode out to about 70% on my battery & limp back on the final 30% to 0%. Not bad - I was surprised. Yet I need more range as 'limping back' sucks. Love my Ultra Bee - just need more range, not necessarily more power. Great range test CCW, gnarly terrain. We ride open trees to tight trees, all KTM's but me. Keep up the good work CCW Braaap!
The upgraded 72v battery that we offer for the ultra works with the stock controller flawlessly and gives you the extended range. Truly an awesome upgrade for not wanting more power and purely trying to push distance!
@@ChargedCycleWorks I am seriously looking into that battery. I like the stock options and don't tend to overthink settings - mostly stock and my bike just goes. The option of the X-9000 is enticing too. I would adjust D to just slightly more than stock D, and S a bump up also. Its all about range for me. Thanks for the response! 🙂
Got my hopes up at the beginning when you said you weren't going to ride slow just to extend range and were just going to ride to have fun. Then was severely dissapointed to see in reality you rode slow just to extend range. You really didn't want to walk, did you? 😂
Really imformative but fun video. Now to add the other Artic Cat I mean Artic Leopard bikes im the test. I know you have the exe800 so why didnt you include it ? Really want to see the ex800 when you get it which might beat them all.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Les power and a lot less weight. Don't know what they are doing not getting that thing available already as it should be a real hit with the Ultra Bee crowd and enduro racers.
to preserve the trails, You can make the argument that WithOut those public Land riding trails. You would only have THE STREETS to TEAR UP and Ride On. Creating Waves of Motorcycles and EBikes on the roads in the future. So leaving public riding spaces is good for everyone, not just riders. you can organize big rides to make traffic, go slow, block city streets, etc. holding a banner, Save Our Trails etc.
after riding all the e bikes on all types of terrain i would say the stark, the storm bee and a upgraded ultra bee have the most range out of all e bikes. in no particular order but i have been able to go super far with the stark unlike every other bike ive ridden.
I was really hoping the Varg would be a 50 mile bike but so far I’ve never been able to get 50 miles out of it. However the 240v charging is incredibly fast and allowed us to finish the 8 hour Gypsy 500 race with them!
Very interesting. I'm own a Storm Bee and an Ultra Bee. They are hardly modified. My fun rides are an hour and I can get about 3-4 of those rides before recharging. I ride directly from my door and back to my door. All off-road. I think 6 hours of that would break me. It's very technical terrain. Much more mountainous than your ride. So one hour is enough. I've never run out of battery but I did get down to 10% on a 45km ride, all off-road over 3 mountain passes (and back). I guess that's about 30 miles. It was enough and probably about 2 hours of riding. I can't personally justify the cost of a bigger battery. Honestly I'd rather have a smaller battery to save some weight. I'd be somewhat interested in a half weight battery with half the range if anybody offered it.
I love all your content. But these range numbers vary a lot. Many times where I ride it'll take us 4 hours to go 15 MI. Because it's very steep tight technical single track. And I'll still have 45% battery left on my ultra bee. I'm sure when I take it out to the desert next month it'll be lucky to last over 2 hours
You are absolutely right. Every ride will always be different, we wanted to do a comparison on the same trail with the same pace amongst different bikes.
Could you make another video showing the bikes through the same sections? The Arctic Leopard seems like it is dramatically quieter than the others for some reason.
Awesome video as always! As a UB owner would like to see a range test of the fully modified UB at 20 hp to see if there is any range improvement. My UB is mostly stock and I think the sport mode power is enough for most situations!
Sport mode is definitely enough for most situations and we absolutely love riding our stock ultra bees when they have wheels suspension and handlebars on them!
you guy's should check out the cao-fen could be interesting bike to. Oh i'd like to see that test for the light bikes. LBX, sting r, eride pro, falcon.
25, wut?? I somehow am hearing Sammy Hagar, the Red Rocker's song about 55!! The CRF rider could carry a couple 1 quart camp fuel bottles in the backpack filled with dirt bike food. Would be kinda cool to do the same for the ebikes, a battery and jumper cables to feed the ebike for another ~10 miles?!?! Doh!! Looked like a hella good time, peeps.
holy guacamole the Varg has a 360 volt battery! by your numbers and my math that makes a "fun" efficiency of about 135wh/mi (131 UB, mod UB 136, 136 Varg, EXE 880 maybe 140?) All things being equal (which they definitely are not) this means 2,500-ish watthour bikes (Surron X, Talaria Sting R MX4, E Ride Pro SS, Rawrr Mantis) should go just under 20 miles at that discharge rate 3500-ish watthour bikes (Ventus One, MotoTec Venom) = 25 mi 6000 watthour bikes (EXE 880, Varg, Storm bee) = 45 mi
Great video, what power setting were you running the Varg on? I'm assuming you had regen at 100%. I have a Varg too, love it but I've only rode moto on it at the moment
I'm currently losing weight but it's unfortunate that at my weight I would have to drop 10k plus on a E-Dirt Bike just to get some decent range... Guess imma have to just ride gas till I lose a considerable amount of weight.
the AL 880 by far best enduro bike but where is my solid state battery???? everyone of these (batterys) will b junk in a couple years when some real goood batterys come out
50 miles is pretty impressive, it was mostly level but still impressive. But the real test is, when you are done eating lunch, which one can you refuel and go back out on?
That's an interesting idea, I think the closest thing to that would be a mid-sized bike like a modified Ultra Bee or the future Dust Moto bike. The Varg at 265lbs is far from a 125 but the mid-sized bikes feel a lot like one.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Yeah I like to think of the bigger batteries the same as a desert tank, they stick out the top the same way. Older bikes had nearly double the tank size as current ones. I know a 1990 RMX250 had a 3.4 gallon tank, while a modern RMZ250 only has 1.7 gallons. It makes a big difference when desert racing.
@@tacticooldennis I have a 99 KX250 with full woods conversion (stock tank) that will pound more miles than my all stock 96 KTM 300 with its original 3.4g tank. Every time I'm out with my 2 boys, I'm always surprised that the KX seems to sip fuel compared to the others in the fleet
now how long does it take to charge each one back up to be able to ride again? the honda takes 30 seconds to fill up and carry on. while interesting you simply cant beat gas and thats all there is to it. w electric your constantly thinking ride slower etc. to save battery. gas, no such thought or worry enters your mind. you simply ride to enjoy yourself.
In terms of range, Gas bikes will always be dominate and we love them for that, but riding an electric bike is an incredible, and fun new experience in the dirt bike world. Both have their advantages, and disadvantages, at the end of the day the goal is to have fun on your two wheeled machine.
Buddy just went riding with me on his new gas dirt bike. We swapped bikes and he rode my electric. He was blown away. He just put his gas bike up for sale. Electric bikes are so much more fun. We were out 4 hours and still had 40%. Nobody cares about 30 second refill times as an adult for most trail riding.
that was a great comparison but can we all admit that those batteries will wear out and not be able to hold a full charge and will be super expensive to replace but the gas bike with proper care will continue to get its full range with the costly expense
Who are these people that want to stop you riding on the desert? Why? Are they going to send a desert police after you if you don't comply? What a madness!
We had a Storm Bee race Virginia City Grand Prix and it was the fastest bike but they only had one battery. It did 2 laps totalling 30miles and it had 10% soc left. So it will go a little farther than an Ultra Bee.
We've been racing Ultra Bee and Varg at our GP's in Utah and probably because of the much higher speeds and sand we can toast even the Stark Varg battery in
As much as we like the KTM Freeride we decided to sell her from our fleet and the #1 reason was range. We struggle to get more than 25 miles out of the Freeride.
Thats the land of a CR500 with a big tank, high gearing and a nasty sand tire. I'll volunteer to take my 500 and down there and do a Stark vs CR500 video on range. I'm going full wick in the sand. It will look like that 250 4-stroke is standing still.
I gotta ask, 6 hours and did roughly 50 miles that’s averaging a little over 8 miles an hour. I picked up a few different of these ebikes. Gonna do some videos of woods riding at decent speeds, I’d imagine they won’t last 2 1/2 hours. Tune in…
The newer batteries (currently too expensive for a dirt bike) hvae double the energy density of current batteries. That would give most Ebikes more range than the petrol bike. 😮
@@ChargedCycleWorks I got the specs for new cells. I can get 12kWh into a Storm Bee. Unfortunately they are currently 10 times the price. I believe the military doesn't care about the price. I hope it won't be long before they get to the same price.
In our opinion the best "bang for buck" bike is the Surron Ultra Bee, for it's low price you get a mid-sized bike with quality parts that has incredible range out of the box all covered by a factory warranty. You have to spend significantly more money to buy or make any other bike as capable as the Ultra Bee. It's a phenomenal bike for $6500.
Real world riding on the same trail at the same pace will always be a better test that letting the bikes only go 25 mph on a flat road until they run out of juice.
I LOVE BRINGING DOWN THE TRAIL CLOSERS!
Hell yes! One thing about emoto, it should open up a lot of places much closer to home....one would think anyway.
Thanks a million for this! Exactly the video I needed to make a buying decision. :)
Awesome job showing where EV's are at in the ... REAL WORLD. I'm so looking forward to how it improves in the future. Thanks guys.
LOVE the Aussie being upside down lololol
17:16 It's about fun! I like that!
Thanks for sharing!
Aloha and take care
Artic Leopard doing a great Job , best enduro electric bike for sure!!
Love this brand and engineering!
Next is a range test with a 150 lb rider, and then someone well over 200 lbs riding the same bike, same track.
That’s a great idea!
lol makes a huge difference! 260 here and had to go with the ultra bee and my buddy with a Surron x gets about the same range! 😂
@@erikjohnson5608bro you’ve got a built in upgrade if you get shredded at like 220 I bet you’d notice the difference on the bike
@@Nnnn-h4n that’s a great way of looking at it and what makes you think I’m not shredded? 😂
@@erikjohnson5608 pretty hard to be shredded at 260 unless you’re 6’5-6’7 or a body builder, if that’s the case then buy a gas bike because you’re weight will greatly effect the bikes performance, if you can lose weight you don’t need then send it. Shredded doesn’t mean strong or big by the way it means having a low body fat percentage.
This ride was freakin awesome. This is what youtube was meant for. Thanksnfor bringing is along.
Very glad you enjoyed coming for a ride with us!
That sounds about right for an Ultra Bee. We had a stockish Ultra Bee race in Virginia City Grand Prix and it got 30miles over 2 laps and the battery died on it at the very end.
How long did that take? Like hour wise, trying to get an idea of how long they can run
@@michiganrips the race was 3 hours long. We were able to finish 3 laps in just under that 3 hours. So you figure about half a charge is 1 hour of trail riding and almost 2 hours for full.
Man…digging these comparison videos!
Great job guys, thanks. Things moving along fast in battery tech means this is the end of 50 mi bikes.
Great video. Looked like a really chill crew.
17:45… Beautiful riding and weather area!🏆🥇
some beautiful country you got there lads the whole ride looks awsome and fun
Shattered elbow, been there, done that! Not fun. 2 plates, 17 screws.
Great video Charged Team!
great video beautiful riding spot im in nyc the only thing i hit on my ultra bee is potholes
Hope you get to ride the ultra in epic pothole free zones in the future!
Oh nice, the 880 almost gets almost as much range as my 300 2t... 😅
Some absolutely beautiful footage there guys 👏
Really like videos. I hope to see you guys testing and comparing the Electric Motion XR soon!
Earned my sub with Ricky being upside down 😂😂
i paid $3700 for a floor model admitjet armor that was brand new with 11 miles on it. bought it from a dealer. This bike is by far the most powerful electric thing ive ever ridden. and i build them for a hobby and as a side mission at my job as a maintenance tech at a machine shop where theres dozens of electric trikes used in the building like mini work trucks. I build and fix the pev's as well as build batteries for them. never had a hobby translate so well into a job.
The admitjet armor has better range and more power than anything on your list. 1000nm of torque. 90mph top speed. 25kw continuous, 50kw burst, with a 4 speed transmission makes it feel and perform like like 100kw. and even when i am riding as hard as i can i get 30-40 miles range. when im babying it in slow mode (still does 60 in slow mode) i get over 100 miles range. and im 6'2" 290lbs. everyone always hyper focuses on a select few bikes in videos like this but theyre rarely the leaders in any category. everyone views stark varg as amung the apex level bikes. and it definitely is. no denying the gorgeous build quality and top notch performance and many features that are WAY nicer than something like an admitjet armor. but its not TTHHEE best.. stark varg has (on paper) 938nm torque (admitjet has 1000), 60-80hp (guarantee thats a burst spec, not continuous spec) (admitjet has 34hp continuous. 72v 300A. 25.2kw continuous. 600A burst. 50.4kw burst), 6.5kwh battery (admitjet has 5kwh.. 60AH, 72v), stark is a bad ass company that makes gorgeous bikes. But theyre also 11 thousand dollars.. no normal human being has 11 grand laying around for a toy. at least not in my world. I'm a dirt poor NY italian who grew up in the slums. i make 60k a year and spend probably 50k a year on bills and living expenses and kids and dogs and food and life.. 11 grand would take me years to save up. thats an absurd amount of money for a toy. they are definitely nice and i would rock one in a heartbeat, but that $3750 admitjet cleared out my accounts. around 4-5 grand is as much money as i can comfortably spend at any one time. i feel like thats a realistic number for most people. because most people dont have an excess of money. I'm sure theyre worth the 11k all day but for me that is an unobtainable number. especially when there are cheaper options out there that give you more speed and more power.
Is there a chance to see a video of the artic leopard e-at500 or 600?
Can't find reviews or something 😞
I have a CCW UB, with CCW Warp9 21/18 wheels. + 2 rear sprocket? I forget. Non O-ring chain, stock otherwise.
Just got 37 & 40.7 miles at China Hat Oregon. Came back for several miles each ride with 6%-0% on the battery.
Still under its own power at 0%! We rode out to about 70% on my battery & limp back on the final 30% to 0%.
Not bad - I was surprised. Yet I need more range as 'limping back' sucks.
Love my Ultra Bee - just need more range, not necessarily more power.
Great range test CCW, gnarly terrain. We ride open trees to tight trees, all KTM's but me.
Keep up the good work CCW Braaap!
The upgraded 72v battery that we offer for the ultra works with the stock controller flawlessly and gives you the extended range. Truly an awesome upgrade for not wanting more power and purely trying to push distance!
@@ChargedCycleWorks
I am seriously looking into that battery. I like the stock options and don't tend to overthink settings - mostly stock and my bike just goes. The option of the X-9000 is enticing too. I would adjust D to just slightly more than stock D, and S a bump up also.
Its all about range for me.
Thanks for the response! 🙂
Great comparison test. Thanks.
Got my hopes up at the beginning when you said you weren't going to ride slow just to extend range and were just going to ride to have fun. Then was severely dissapointed to see in reality you rode slow just to extend range. You really didn't want to walk, did you? 😂
Great video. I would like to see a 450 in the mix and an e ride pro/surron.
Really imformative but fun video. Now to add the other Artic Cat I mean Artic Leopard bikes im the test. I know you have the exe800 so why didnt you include it ? Really want to see the ex800 when you get it which might beat them all.
We only have the EXE 880 in our fleet. The ex 800 is hopefully coming soon. What are your thoughts on why the ex800 might beat it?
@@ChargedCycleWorks Les power and a lot less weight. Don't know what they are doing not getting that thing available already as it should be a real hit with the Ultra Bee crowd and enduro racers.
Any time frame on when you might get the EX800 to test and sell ? Thanks
Stock UB would be all I’d need. Great test though. First one I have seen like it.
Can’t get over how good the 250 sounds
Glad to see these tastings!!! Love it!!! I was rooting for Stark bike haha!!!
EPIC!!!!!
Huge thank you from Herriman
to preserve the trails, You can make the argument that WithOut those public Land riding trails. You would only have THE STREETS to TEAR UP and Ride On. Creating Waves of Motorcycles and EBikes on the roads in the future. So leaving public riding spaces is good for everyone, not just riders. you can organize big rides to make traffic, go slow, block city streets, etc. holding a banner, Save Our Trails etc.
Thanks guys for doing this. Good info to have.
after riding all the e bikes on all types of terrain i would say the stark, the storm bee and a upgraded ultra bee have the most range out of all e bikes. in no particular order but i have been able to go super far with the stark unlike every other bike ive ridden.
I was really hoping the Varg would be a 50 mile bike but so far I’ve never been able to get 50 miles out of it. However the 240v charging is incredibly fast and allowed us to finish the 8 hour Gypsy 500 race with them!
Very interesting. I'm own a Storm Bee and an Ultra Bee. They are hardly modified. My fun rides are an hour and I can get about 3-4 of those rides before recharging. I ride directly from my door and back to my door. All off-road.
I think 6 hours of that would break me. It's very technical terrain. Much more mountainous than your ride. So one hour is enough.
I've never run out of battery but I did get down to 10% on a 45km ride, all off-road over 3 mountain passes (and back). I guess that's about 30 miles. It was enough and probably about 2 hours of riding.
I can't personally justify the cost of a bigger battery. Honestly I'd rather have a smaller battery to save some weight. I'd be somewhat interested in a half weight battery with half the range if anybody offered it.
Light weight (and less expensive) race batteries are coming soon :)
That’s great!
I love all your content. But these range numbers vary a lot. Many times where I ride it'll take us 4 hours to go 15 MI. Because it's very steep tight technical single track. And I'll still have 45% battery left on my ultra bee. I'm sure when I take it out to the desert next month it'll be lucky to last over 2 hours
You are absolutely right. Every ride will always be different, we wanted to do a comparison on the same trail with the same pace amongst different bikes.
Same thing on a gas bike, I can get 70+ miles off my 300 when "trail riding" but when I'm racing it's
Could you make another video showing the bikes through the same sections? The Arctic Leopard seems like it is dramatically quieter than the others for some reason.
The reason is seems that way is due to the mic in DJ’s helmet. It really only picks up his voice. But we could make a short on our Instagram for that!
@@ChargedCycleWorks Please put it on youtube as well for those of us that try to limit our consumption of internet nonsense.
Great Video!! oh man I want to try all them bikes lol.. dang sucks about Trails shuting down what the fuzz
Awesome video as always! As a UB owner would like to see a range test of the fully modified UB at 20 hp to see if there is any range improvement. My UB is mostly stock and I think the sport mode power is enough for most situations!
Sport mode is definitely enough for most situations and we absolutely love riding our stock ultra bees when they have wheels suspension and handlebars on them!
Awesome day... great riding fellas!
Love the vids! Helping me tide over my wait for the edirtbike I have on the way. Any guesses which one I got? ;)
you guy's should check out the cao-fen could be interesting bike to. Oh i'd like to see that test for the light bikes. LBX, sting r, eride pro, falcon.
25, wut?? I somehow am hearing Sammy Hagar, the Red Rocker's song about 55!! The CRF rider could carry a couple 1 quart camp fuel bottles in the backpack filled with dirt bike food. Would be kinda cool to do the same for the ebikes, a battery and jumper cables to feed the ebike for another ~10 miles?!?! Doh!! Looked like a hella good time, peeps.
50mile , absolut Impossible to imagine here in Germany 😢 ... Great Test .
why is that?
Great review, i wish u all had a Dust Moto to also include in the test
Soon! That bike is definitely gonna be designed for the backyard and small track environment but plenty of videos will be coming!
We are testing the new arctic 880 with more power in Turpan City,Gobi Desert,China
holy guacamole the Varg has a 360 volt battery!
by your numbers and my math that makes a "fun" efficiency of about 135wh/mi (131 UB, mod UB 136, 136 Varg, EXE 880 maybe 140?)
All things being equal (which they definitely are not) this means
2,500-ish watthour bikes (Surron X, Talaria Sting R MX4, E Ride Pro SS, Rawrr Mantis) should go just under 20 miles at that discharge rate
3500-ish watthour bikes (Ventus One, MotoTec Venom) = 25 mi
6000 watthour bikes (EXE 880, Varg, Storm bee) = 45 mi
Ricky was upside-down in his introduction because he's from the southern hemisphere 🤣
Great video, what power setting were you running the Varg on? I'm assuming you had regen at 100%. I have a Varg too, love it but I've only rode moto on it at the moment
He said 36kwh In the beginning I think
Okkayyy nice work boys!!!!😮😮😮
That random girl walking in the dunes git too me 😮😂
I like your videos very much, very interesting
23:50 What does the "6hrs out" have to do with the range? Not like they were doing 50mi/6hr (8mph straight).
What was battery charge remaining on the Arctic Leopard at the end of the ride?
6’11” 275lbs. Any bike recommendation for tall heavy guy ?
I'm currently losing weight but it's unfortunate that at my weight I would have to drop 10k plus on a E-Dirt Bike just to get some decent range... Guess imma have to just ride gas till I lose a considerable amount of weight.
Good Stuff!!
the AL 880 by far best enduro bike but where is my solid state battery???? everyone of these (batterys) will b junk in a couple years when some real goood batterys come out
Time to do Artic vs 250 only
50 miles is pretty impressive, it was mostly level but still impressive. But the real test is, when you are done eating lunch, which one can you refuel and go back out on?
250r please
-Did you just call me fat ?
-...HuhHuhhh... Well... So right now we're at 8.2 Miles, mkay ?
You guys gotta try the new 88v 76ah ultra bee battery
Ewatt...need to get one of those.
I want 125 cc equivalent Varg with KYB suspension
That's an interesting idea, I think the closest thing to that would be a mid-sized bike like a modified Ultra Bee or the future Dust Moto bike. The Varg at 265lbs is far from a 125 but the mid-sized bikes feel a lot like one.
No Storm Bee?? Why not?
Just ride the trail! 😂
There's a reason why desert tanks exist for gas bikes.
There absolutely is and we love our gas bikes, this channel is dedicated to electric testing.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Yeah I like to think of the bigger batteries the same as a desert tank, they stick out the top the same way. Older bikes had nearly double the tank size as current ones. I know a 1990 RMX250 had a 3.4 gallon tank, while a modern RMZ250 only has 1.7 gallons. It makes a big difference when desert racing.
@@tacticooldennis I have a 99 KX250 with full woods conversion (stock tank) that will pound more miles than my all stock 96 KTM 300 with its original 3.4g tank. Every time I'm out with my 2 boys, I'm always surprised that the KX seems to sip fuel compared to the others in the fleet
The girlfriend walks in and says "did I just hear nipple guards?"
Awesome video editing.. I assume you now have a professional videographer?
We do!
now how long does it take to charge each one back up to be able to ride again? the honda takes 30 seconds to fill up and carry on. while interesting you simply cant beat gas and thats all there is to it. w electric your constantly thinking ride slower etc. to save battery. gas, no such thought or worry enters your mind. you simply ride to enjoy yourself.
In terms of range, Gas bikes will always be dominate and we love them for that, but riding an electric bike is an incredible, and fun new experience in the dirt bike world. Both have their advantages, and disadvantages, at the end of the day the goal is to have fun on your two wheeled machine.
Buddy just went riding with me on his new gas dirt bike. We swapped bikes and he rode my electric. He was blown away. He just put his gas bike up for sale.
Electric bikes are so much more fun. We were out 4 hours and still had 40%. Nobody cares about 30 second refill times as an adult for most trail riding.
@@SmartestDumbGuy 4hours doesn't translate to range. Not sure why vid mentioned 6hrs at the end either. Not like they went 8mph the whole time.
Would be helpful to know elevation gain.
Electrics cold be improved with higher kv motors and proper cooling also transmission
that was a great comparison but can we all admit that those batteries will wear out and not be able to hold a full charge and will be super expensive to replace but the gas bike with proper care will continue to get its full range with the costly expense
Which is why my 96 KTM 300 and 99 KX250 are still on the trails to this very day
LETS GO !!!!
Who are these people that want to stop you riding on the desert? Why? Are they going to send a desert police after you if you don't comply? What a madness!
Right???
Why no Zero FX ..?.
How much regeneration with the 38 hp was on your stark?
30% regen
🐝🏁 EBIKES, video 👍👌
"Dirty gassers"! 😅
Definitely sarcasm, sometimes you just gotta play the part of the EV environmentalist haha
fight for your trails, guys, or you will end up like we in Germany...
What was the regen settings at?
All bikes ran 25% regen
@@ChargedCycleWorkseven the Honda? 😂
NO STORM BEE?!
Agreed where is it haha!!!
We don't have a Storm Bee in our Fleet, would have to borrow one...from what we've seen it has a similar range to the Ultra Bee.
We had a Storm Bee race Virginia City Grand Prix and it was the fastest bike but they only had one battery. It did 2 laps totalling 30miles and it had 10% soc left. So it will go a little farther than an Ultra Bee.
We've been racing Ultra Bee and Varg at our GP's in Utah and probably because of the much higher speeds and sand we can toast even the Stark Varg battery in
“Which electric dirt bike is in charge?”
2024 Admit Jet Armor next vid?
Would be fun to test an electric bike with gears!
Give me the modified UB
Please take vitamins for your injuries it helps when you are older I’m 64
We need 300kw/kg batteries !
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I'd like to see more teenagers and fat old people on high-performance dirtbikes racing quietly around town with impunity.
Why are you comparing a 250r? That’s a mx bike on terrain it’s not designed for.
why no KTM?
As much as we like the KTM Freeride we decided to sell her from our fleet and the #1 reason was range. We struggle to get more than 25 miles out of the Freeride.
Thats the land of a CR500 with a big tank, high gearing and a nasty sand tire. I'll volunteer to take my 500 and down there and do a Stark vs CR500 video on range. I'm going full wick in the sand. It will look like that 250 4-stroke is standing still.
I gotta ask, 6 hours and did roughly 50 miles that’s averaging a little over 8 miles an hour. I picked up a few different of these ebikes. Gonna do some videos of woods riding at decent speeds, I’d imagine they won’t last 2 1/2 hours. Tune in…
The newer batteries (currently too expensive for a dirt bike) hvae double the energy density of current batteries. That would give most Ebikes more range than the petrol bike. 😮
Can't wait for technology and price to catch up
@@ChargedCycleWorks I got the specs for new cells. I can get 12kWh into a Storm Bee. Unfortunately they are currently 10 times the price. I believe the military doesn't care about the price. I hope it won't be long before they get to the same price.
@@franciscoshi1968Making these bikes lighter would be insane too.
Curious what the chemistry make up is of these, still lithium?
it's almost like surron isn't even top of the line or even worth the ridiculous overcharge
ppl been sayin it lmao
crazyyy
In our opinion the best "bang for buck" bike is the Surron Ultra Bee, for it's low price you get a mid-sized bike with quality parts that has incredible range out of the box all covered by a factory warranty. You have to spend significantly more money to buy or make any other bike as capable as the Ultra Bee. It's a phenomenal bike for $6500.
Be safer! Racing is overated.
Gas wins, get a desert tank, and have a 5 gallon Jerry can back at truck.
Not a scientific test. What is the point?
Real world riding on the same trail at the same pace will always be a better test that letting the bikes only go 25 mph on a flat road until they run out of juice.
@@ChargedCycleWorks You have to eliminate all the variables in order to compare correctly.
Stopping every few miles is boring too much talking definitely not enough riding. Boring
That's how they can quote "6 hrs range" at end of vid (as if hours account for range)
That's how it works if you have friends to ride with🤷
Not their problem if you don't have any
Just rip the signs out and keep writing.What's wrong with you
writing?