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- In this FIRST Deadwax episode of SEASON TWO, Ryan and Jack dive deep into the Radiohead universe, unraveling the brilliance behind “Bodysnatchers.” As the duo dissects the track, they explore the intricate layers of instrumentation, Thom Yorke’s haunting vocals, and the song’s unique ability to blend frenetic energy with haunting beauty, making a compelling case for why “Bodysnatchers” stands as an absolute masterpiece in Radiohead’s illustrious discography
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Thom's tone in Bodysnatchers was done by him plugging his Telecaster directly into Nigel Godrich's Electrodyne 1204 console. What you're hearing is preamp distortion / fuzz, no amp. It's one of the Motown consoles. A lot of what you hear is Thom and Ed instead of Jonny, I think.
John Fruscainte used to do that too I think.
Colin's bass playing is so so underrated. He's a beast.
This is the kind of nerdy analysis I crave. I could listen to you go through the whole album this way.
The Dissect Podcast did just that!
Thom and Ed play a lot of those guitar parts that are being accounted to Jonny. Maybe check the Live from the basement version for extra details. they play it basically verbatim.
It was basically recorded live in the studio for the album too.
It's so fun to watch them play live. It's like playing I Spy to figure out which part is coming from where haha
Ed really makes the weird Radiohead sound. You really see it in live performances and his diary from the Kid A recording days
Yeah, Ed's being forgotten, lol
I think ed is doing the wah in half position during the verse and the ambient reverby bit in the bridge. Jonny does all the well.... crazy Jonny bits lol
I think the main guitar part that starts the song is actually Thom, maybe going direct through a cranked console like The Beatles Revolution. Jonny plays that chorus guitar part. Then Jonny may have overdubbed the Martenot. At the end it could be Ed doing the atmospheric stuff with his sustainer guitar. Really cool, great song
It's for sure Thom Yorke playing direct into the desk. Nigel Godrich supposedly had this old Motown desk and they plugged it in and cranked it (just like you mention in Revolution). Google will find multiple sources to verify this.
They've confirmed it. They go straight into a Neve console.
I came here to say this. I’ve always heard it’s straight into the board, and overdriving the preamp
@@jameshoward-white2288Terrible sound too imo. It never works, it's just different for the sake of it. Territorial Pissings is another example. Imagine how much better this, that and Revolution would sound if they'd just cranked an AC30 or something; let the amp tubes do the work as intended. If desks (even Neves) were made for that kind of abuse everything would be done that way.
@@stitchgrimly6167 Those direct sounds are fantastic and what make the tones/overall songs unique. None of these three songs would be as raw and gutteral if they were not direct. For bodysnatchers, the direct tone allows Thom's guitar to sit in a different lane of the frequency spectrum than Johnny and Ed's. It's a very smart production move, both for serving the theme of the song and creating separation between instruments.
I've always said Bodysnatchers makes me feel like I can dropkick a speeding train off the tracks. The energy in the song is nuclear. One of my favorites too.
But at the same time “I’ve no idea what I am talking about”.
@12:41 - PSA: It's Thom playing the rhythm guitar in the intro. This was a fun discussion! You guys had some great observations. The Dissect podcast also has a great season breaking down In Rainbows for anyone wanting to continue the deep dive. Bonus points for Jack's "puking out your soul" Yorke impression.
Was gonna comment this. That guitar is going direct into Nigel’s Neve console. That’s where that crazy blown out distortion is coming from.
Yup. There’s a “in the basement” live version of this song that shows who’s playing what
Yeah I wondered why they didn't think of DI, he pretty much said it when he said how usually amps roll off the highs, so if you skip the amp you get that top end @@davidduarte2887
I’m always surprised at some of the riffs that end up being Thom playing while also singing. He incredibly talented and not often enough recognized for his playing.
@@ericnowak9497 yeah that stuff is difficult and he pulls it off great. Underrated guitarist.
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Overdubs? That, I reckon, is the beauty of how Ed plays his part in the band. Both atmospheric guitar and voice.
Guys, the intro is played by Thom, not Johnny. And there's 3 guitars.
I’m not seeing a comment about the circumstances under which this song was made. Here’s a quote from an interview Thom did with NME: “I have this thing-just before I get really sick I’ll have this 12-hour hyperactive mania, and that song was recorded during one of those. I felt genuinely out of it when we did that. The vocal is one take and we didn’t do anything to it afterwards. We tidied up my guitar because I was so out of it, my guitar-playing was rubbish. My best vocals are always the ones that happen there and then.”
Ondes Martenot player checking in here! The 'Theremin' sounds you talk about are very likely to be the ondes Martenot, if it isn't a complete certainty.
At this time, it is probable that it was Jonny's digital student model built by Maurice Martenot's son, Jean-Louis. It could also have been some modular setup with the ondes Martenot-inspired French Connection controller that he worked with Analogue Systems to create.
Jonny has professed his love for the ondes Martenot quite a bit, and has used one form or another of the instrument since around Kid A onwards. He's certainly done a lot for raising the profile of this tragically unheard-of, beautiful, and fascinating instrument.
100p, i've read he owns 2. jack was spot on when he said 50s horror movie, the ondes martenot was used in many horror films
@@eden-xf2rf last I checked, he has the digital student model he got in Paris, the first of Jean-Loup Dierstein’s ondes musicales instruments, a few of ASADEN’s Ondomo instruments, and an AS French Connection ondes-style CV controller.
It was indeed used in lots of horror films. It certainly evokes that vibe almost effortlessly - probably partially thanks to it sounding somewhat similar to the theremin, too, which saw similar use.
@@JoshSemans I read that he does own those but that in 1999 he acquired an original one that he used on kid amnesiac. I'm not certain though, I'm only certain that I would do anything for one lol. it seems like one of the most beautiful sounding expressive instruments this planet has created and I can't believe it's one of the first electronic instruments too
@@eden-xf2rf the original one you're referring to is the digital student model built by Jean-Louis Martenot. It is, for all intents and purposes an 'ondes Martenot' but it isn't the same as a 'traditional' ondes. I believe they had it delivered to wherever they were working on Kid A/Amnesiac stuff in Paris.
It certainly is a beautiful instrument! If you ever want to know more about it, do get in touch. I'm always happy to chat about the ondes :-)
I sub to your channel, Josh :-D In the documentary Wavemakers, the main woman in the film (her name escapes me, she’s a famous Ondiste) goes to a RH show and talk with Jonny onstage afterwards. He shows her the student model he got when they were recording in Paris, and she had never seen one like it before. There are plenty of photos of Jonny playing the Ondomo too. That documentary is fun to watch; the crotchety old man who repairs Ondes Martenots, the discussion of the “proprietary powder” that goes into the leather pouch, etc.
A lot of guitar parts you're attributing to Jonny is Thom and Ed. That intro is played by Thom, Jonny just hits the accents. Ed is playing that swooping beautiful melody part when it breaks down to the acoustic section (you repeatedly say that Jonny plays that, he isn't, he plays similar notes but his guitar isn't swooping, it isn't sustained like that, he picks his notes). Ed isn't seen in their performance of that part In the basement, but it's clearly seen in the performance on Later with Jools Holland.
Cole Kushna, the host of Dissect podcast did his most recent series on this album for Spotify. His breakdowns are awesome and I think you guys should definitely have him on; for at least one of the episodes, if this becomes a series on the album!
Was just about to comment this👆👆 100% agree
I concur. Cole is that dude.
I just went back to episode 3 where he dissects bodysnatchers... The guitar part at the start is played by Thom Yorke and not Johnny Greenwood, and the weird distortion is produced by the guitar plugged in directly in Nigel Godrich's Eletrodyne 1204 console! If you guys are really into Radiohead, you absolutely need to listen to this podcast! And by the way, I would totally listen to a podcast from you guys!
This angle of Ryan's studio is so unusual after seeing so many videos in there, and it's so well lit it almost looks like a greenscreen fill in :')
My favorite album of all time. A world of treasures
Guys... Radiohead usually uses 3 guitarists. On this one Thom, Jonny & Ed. No guitar overdubs here!
Yep - was thinking this and had thought they perhaps should have looked at the From the Basement session to see how they realise all of this live
@@pb6010 Yeah I think those sessions definitely would have added some clarity
Ed is generally the backup vocalist too, right? I think they were crediting Jonny with backup vocals but I've never seen Jonny sing in any context While Ed sings quite a bit.
@@pb6010yeah, but that would take away from what they’re doing here. They’re dissecting with their ears, not their eyes.
@@pb6010 Agreed! For instance, all of the percussive string rakes that Johnny and Ed O'Brien are doing in the verse is really clear when you watch From the Basement.
The main/intro riff is played by Thom!
oh SICK
For anyone who wants to go super deep on this song (or any song from In Rainbows) there is a podcast called Dissect that did a whole podcast episode about this song, and it is WILD what went into this song.
I just subscribed. Thanks for the recommendation.
I needed this. Thanks!
So glad you're back. Nobody else is talking about music like this. It supports and reinforces my learning journey!
Yes! I missed this show so much. Please don't ever leave us again.
So happy to see y'all back and tackling one of the best tracks from what might be my favorite album of all time. Great analysis.
I could definitely watch an entire series on tracks from this album... There is SO MUCH to talk about.
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Jonny's haunted sound is the Ondes Martenot! One of my favorite instruments of all time. Hit me up if you ever need an Ondist for a tune. Loved this analysis!
Literally last night I was checking this channel wondering what happened to it. So glad you guys are back!
I have loved this tune from the first time I heard it, but never actually dissected it to anywhere near the degree you guys are. It is such an intense song that does have that 'scary' horror movie vibe to it until the outro section that ramps down the tension. Radiohead is one of a kind. Probably my favorite band of the last almost 30 years. There is no other band I get excited about an upcoming album as when Radioheads announces one. I just hope we get a few more of them.
There are some special mixes where instruments (or components or - like a ride cymbal) don't sound louder or quieter but rather closer and further away. Its something I feel that is often done very well on Radiohead albums. Its very special.
The fact that I opened RUclips to listen the acoustic version of Bodysnatchers and got this video at the top is mesmerizing. And it's the comeback of Dead Wax, incredible!
Loved what you said about the ride cymbal - it can actually be quite difficult to play an eight ride like where it’s so ahead of the beat comparatively (especially to those off-accented kick hits), because it throws all your rhythmic weight in your shoulders, but it so beautifully pushes the almost teenagery brashness of the whole song
QOTSA gets wicked tones and rhythms like that. Sounds very similar to a QOTSA arrangement. But with a Radiohead twist.
I have to confess to not having been a Radiohead-Head up to now. If you'd have played that song to me without the main vocal I'd have taken it for a QOTSA song I just didn't know for some bizarre reason.
@@martattacks Glad you hear it too. They're often stolen from and not credited. They're overlooked in a lot of conversations too. It says a lot that a band of Radiohead's caliber is borrowing from them.
@@pitpride1220 Yeah, it definitely has Songs for the deaf-Vibes.
excellent observation. never considered it, but you are on point. QOTSA are so underappreciated
Two of my favorites
I love the enthusiasm of Ryan and Jack to speak about harmonies, melodies and beats
I love the way it switches from Mixolydian to minor in the bridge, it's just *chef's kiss* amazing
Just a note...y'all keep talking about Jonny. Ya know they have another guitarist who is also brilliant. Ed O'Brien! Thom's no slouch on guitar either! When they do this live, all three are playing.
Yeah, and I'm 99% sure Thom is the one playing the main riff from the start.
Thom's guitar is a vintage SG, recorded via DI.
Don’t forget about Ed!!! Gotta watch the ‘from the basement’ version of this song (and the rest of the In Rainbows session)
undeniably one of my favorite radiohead songs, the instrumentals and vocals are visceral, raw heaven & I connect to the lyrics so much- ntm how well-written they are
I’ve missed this so much
There are three guitars in this song! Thom is playing the intro riff, supported by Jonny playing the muted strokes
ive gone too long without these videos, im so glad yall are back
Love you guys so much. I swear that before you started talking about Keith, Brad, and classical music vis a vis linear harmony, this Jarrett quote sprang to mind: “there’s no such thing as chords; there are only moving lines.”
I always think about classical music as having no harmonic plateaus. You’re not just jumping from chord ledge to chord ledge; composers are freely scampering around the tonal landscape. Chords are byproducts.
What a come back!? One of my fav bands
I feel like we're spoiled by having this band around for so long. It's like when you wonder whether people really knew how good Mozart was while he was alive. It's happening right in front of us and it's nearly impossible to explain how good it is. I REALLY hope there are bands as good as this in the future, but Radiohead will never be eclipses or outdone. The same way the Beatles and Led Zeppelin will forever have their place, this band will as well, pushing music forward the same way they did.
I think the average person still doesn’t know how good Radiohead is. They know “Creep” and they don’t go any deeper. Led Zeppelin had that too where most people only knew “Stairway to Heaven” for a long time. Luckily a lot of DJs that knew there was more there started playing all their songs to educate the public. The difference with the Beatles is that they started out as a huge pop band so when they grew as artists, people kept listening and it changed music.
It’d be Ed O’Brien on background vocals I think. He and Thom sound really good together.
I’m pretty sure (though not 100% certain) that Ed handles the backing vocals live, but that Thom does it all for the studio sessions
Speaking of amazing combinations of feelings and brains... overjoyed to see you, and immediately learning from what you have to say. Welcome back!
Definitely one of the best bands in the world!
Absolutely ridiculous how talented they are:)
I’m going to see the smile in two months and can’t bloody wait ❤
The live "From The Basement..." performance of this song took me to a whole new appreciation of the band - that it's not just a studio construction, but they could make that great noise live.
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I would watch another hour of this, the video flew by. I've listened to this song so many times (hundreds?) and feel like I'm hearing it for the first time after your analysis. Love it!
Radiohead is the beautiful clarity in the middle of a fog of a guttural scream.
I breathe music, and there's nothing that comes even close to it in my life (human beings excluded). Nevertheless, I'm not a trained or schooled musician, which is why I adore your Dead Wax episodes and enjoy them to the fullest - your knowledge opens worlds to me, and your backgrounds add so much beauty to the emotional dimension I grasp, without destroying the magic of it. Thank you so much for revealing the inner mechanics of the things I love with passion and joy; it gets me even closer to them.
the more you know. never thought that somebody would try to NOT get rid of snare buzz, let alone to replicate it via VST. wuuuut
Y'all should take a look at "little by little" by Radiohead, the influence from forró music with the percussion makes it such an interesting listen!
I've learned every Thom Yorke Guitar part and Bodysnatchers was easily one of the harder songs to learn, he's an animal, his part isn't hard on paper. But SINGING this song is another thing
Great analysis using technical terms like 'squashed to s#*t' is why I enjoy Dead Wax videos 😉 Good to have you back!
That's Thom playing the guitar part you attribute to Jonny, right from the start the whole way thru.
Watch the "from the basement" recording.
poor ed, never gets the credit he deserves
The answer is a resounding YES. Radiohead are the GOAT for exactly the reason you initially focused on... they are incredibly creative, nuanced and sophisticated, making the replayability infinite, but they never lose track of the core of what musics beautiful, being human, catchy, hitting you square in the feels. It's a tightrope only the greatest bands have managed to walk and Radiohead is just oozing with talent and authenticity. How else can they keep unleashing masterpiece after masterpiece? It is truly astonishing they've managed to stick together for so long. It's some kind of miracle we should all be thankful for.
I also feel the fact that it's been the same 5 guys the whole time is one of the keys to their success. They just understand each other so well and every instrument contributes so much
I'm so glad this is finally back. It was gone entirely too long. Thanks guys
Maybe this was a little too “inside baseball“ to mention in the first hour, but I just love the strumming pattern of the intro. Upstrokes and upbeats, then the hammer-ons downbeats- very hard to pin down the guitar. Even though there’s a backbeat in there, it sure never sounds like it’s a backbeat to me until the drums underscore it.
I've loved "Bodysnatchers" on a musical level, but never really paid that much attention to the lyrics. But the lyrics are emotionally cataclysmic.
I'm so happy you're back!! Worth the wait. Thank you for being you!!!
I’ve been telling my daughter this forever! Now that she’s 19 months old and we can watch this brilliant breakdown over breakfast, I feel like she really gets it.
I’m glad to have a new video from you guys!
I also want to point out that the whole song, they never hit the beat 1. The drum beat and the guitars hit before the 1 of the beat, so its why the groove creates this rushing feeling, and creates lots of movement. I think they hit it when the angelic section begins, its why it feels so resolved after so much tension. Its such a driving drum part that is one of the keys to this song.
I was gonna post the same. It's a shame it wasn't mentioned, though there is a lot to cover, so is understandable.
Yes!!! Y’all back in effect! I knew 2024 was going to be a good year and this confirms it.
I love you guys. Finally you are back! Keep it going. Thank you for this. ❤
I LOVE spicy, moody, dissonant chords.
Radiohead has been with me since I was 13 years old and one of the few Bands that stood the test of time and still has the same kind of meaning to me. They are able to express something so deep and true that I'll come back to them for my entire life I think
Glad you guys are back.
Please continue to share what music you’ve been listening to. I’ve got so many favorite bands from following your bread crumbs.
Thanks.
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So excited for this. If you couldn’t tell. Glad you’re back!
Yes, this is the show for me haha. I love nerding out on super specific theory, but also the bigger picture, putting words to the overall vibe and effect achieved with all those specific theory nerd moments
Everything is great about this song. The drums are crazy hard to play and I think it remains understated how precise Phil's drumming on this song is.
This was a joy to watch! Your enthusiasm for music theory is infecting me like a bodysnatcher :0
DEAD WAX IS BACK YESSSS
that first guitar is plugged directly into the mixing board and cranked, and there are no overdubs in this song…only song on In Rainbows recorded live
Ryan rocking an SM7B with the foam off. Underrated config.
hell ya
Distorted guitar isnt something that i usually gravitate towards, cause you hear it so often
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Bodysnatchers is one of the tracks where i absolutely love it.
The distortion really adds an extra dimension to the rhythm.
Great to see you back! I think something may have gone awry in the edit, the video ends quite abruptly
I'm pretty sure Thom Yorkes rhythm guitar tone in the intro was created from going DI to console with a Gibson SG on the neck pickup. I'm unsure if the distortion was from a pedal or preamp distortion
Wow! Great deep dive! Thank you!!
the fuzz sound is just the desk at max. at some point Nigel said it on an interview.
You mention Radiohead strike that balance of fulfilling that intellectual itch when you listen, but also the visceral undeniable charisma of a song. I'm a bassist that's played a lot of Radiohead songs over the years - even full tribute shows - and a trend that I was super surprised by upon deep diving and learning so many of their songs is how often they're using variations of 1-4-5! It's like they disguise it. The second half of this song is G-D-C-G. Might as well be Guns N Roses, right?
I just started learning bass and this is one of my favorite bands. What songs are some of your favs as a bassist?
The intro/main rhythm guitar is Thom his 60s SG direct into the desk and the main part of the track is recorded live
i didnt knew this show existed and now im a fan, fuck yeah i love a in deep analysis that goes not only into the mechanics/fundamentals of something but the feeling, the intention of whats been created. hell yes suscribed and everything, keep it coming guys!
“Horizontal approach to harmony” is a brilliant way to sum up Radiohead’s sound
Watch the ‘in the basement’ episode of in rainbows. Radiohead do the whole album live, up close and personal
Exactly. Guys you must watch it to see how it’s Thom at the start on the guitar, probably how he first devised the song. All the more incredible that he’s doing that and the singing I think.
And In The Basement is the brainchild of Nigel Godrich just for good measure. QOTSA one is also fantastic. Although Radiohead #1 obvs.
They're back! Thanks for another great episode! Always a treat to hear you talk about Radiohead.
This is so great to have you guys back! Love your show!
YESS, I've been waiting for a post-OKC Radiohead analysis from you guys for so long! While the bends/OK computer are brilliant albums, Radiohead's magic for me lies in Kid A and everything they did after that.
I'm pretty sure the "theremin" sounding guitar line is Ed with an ebow. I'd rewatch the "from the basement" performance to check.
Edit: nevermind, totally different arrangement there. But that sound could easily be Ed or a theremin... but I'm not sure if they have ever used a theremin? I've seen Jonny play an ondes martenot in the Kid A years, but it's a slightly different sound.
I don’t think RH ever uses a theramin, but Jonny gets a similar sound out of the Ondes Martenot. There’s plenty of live perfs of the song Nude where you here them do a call-and-response (just after Thom sings “they’re not going to happen.”) Jonny plays a line on the Ondes, and Ed plays the next line on guitar with an ebow
That’s awesome they thought the Ondes Martenot was jonny singing because that’s what he loves about it; he always wanted to sing
I’m so glad you guys are back! Much love. ✊🏽🎶 (dudes, the fanny pack at 8:05 is boss:)
Finally! You’re back!
How have I only just found this channel. Perfect stuff guys, thank you
This song became an ode to my dad's death for me. Lung cancer that spread to the brain. What's funny is how Radiohead songs will touch me subconsciously before I dig into listening to the lyrics and understand. Then I will be like OH SH!T. I especially did this with You're All I Need. I'd been listening to the song for years and didn't realize until after a divorce that it was describing the problem.
Anyway how many folks cheated ahead to "the moment" like me? 😄
Their performance of this album in the " basement" youtube video is one of the best hour's of music I've ever heard.
Sooo glad this is back
I could listen to Jack nerd out about Radiohead all day. Please do every song, thnx
thanks for coming back with this show!!!!! love it!!!!!
I have always read / heard from more than one source that Thom plugged his electric guitar straight into the console for this and the EQ on the channel strip was cranked…that’s what got the hyper dynamic frequencies in that intro guitar tone. Not sure if it’s 100% accurate, but it would make sense!
Seriously, you guys need to watch them in The Basement. They perform the whole album.
When are we doing Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk guys? As an album that influenced Radiohead that's got to be on the list right?! Tell me it's on your list! p.s. I love the little side note tech definitions for us non-musicians, a really great touch.