The BEST PS1 Games? Final Fantasy VII vs Parappa the Rapper - Madness
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Welcome to Episode 4 of Madness Season 3: Best PS1 Games! We're trying to decide not only what are the best games that released on the PlayStation 1, but which is THE best game on the PSX. In this episode it's two powerhouses of Sony, Final Fantasy VII vs Parappa the Rapper , but who will win?
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Madness is a discussion/debate show where we decide what we think is best in any given category of video games, movie, food or anything else. We make a tournament style bracket, and the winning subject of each discussion goes onto the next round until we find a winner.
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i swear jirard might just kill everyone on that set one day 😂
No one will blame him.
Good thing Peanut butter gamer is not there
Next video title: The End of Madness (Again)
As he should lol
I think this is more of a making of a serial killer documentary rather than a comedic bracket show
If Final Fantasy don't win this time Jirard is going to grab that Buster Sword and start a massacre in any moment
“I don’t think 30-40 hours is a long time” -The Completionist
Very fitting quote. It totally isn’t.
30 hours is a long time, by no means can any given person play these kinda games
Yeah the thing is I dont think most of the people at the table are typical. Like Jirard is dedicated to games and loves all types of games while everyone else there do not seem like huge gamers. ProJarad probably would have fit much better because he seems to have more experience in PS1 games. Plus Jirard makes an excellent point that the 30-40 hours can be spread out and still be beaten in a reasonable amount of days.
I've completed Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. That shit took me 15 years, 180 hours on my save file, countless replays of City Escape to get the Chaos Drives to make a Level 99 everything chao. Length in an RPG is basically a non issue for me. As long as its reasonably paced.
When I was young I would have thought that was a long time. Now that I'm older and more patient I agree. It totally isn't
there is a website that has where people can upload their playtimes and compare to others. you could easily push 100 hours of palytime in FFVII.
Completionist slowly *dies inside* during this video
Aaron Isnt Throwing In his first speech, he said its gonna be a painful road
Completionist dies and the mastermind revival of Shercox, Jirarty, is born.
*every video
Honestly the last minute of the video describes entirely how I feel about the last video lol
Agreed.
I second that.
And the first one. SoTN shouldn't have lost.
Who’s still salty about FF IX?
Who isn't? Even if it isn't my favorite, they way how they treat it was a huge disaster and FFIX technically is better game then FFVII.
@@TheRezro "FFIX technically is better game then FFVII"
Only if by 'technically' you mean you're going for graphics and analog controls, and that's because IX was Square's third big game for the PS1, and thus refined.
Everything else is subjective.
I wasn't salty.
Michael Burt I actually thought the fact that ape escape won was hilarious. I’m not salty at all honestly.
The camera man, apparently. That outburst at the end was hilarious!
FF7 coming to avenge FF9
PaleoSteno hey Paleo! I'm a long time fan, but ff9 doesn't have monkey so it didn't stand a chance. 😜
@@Szt1998 Except the main protagonist of ff9 has a monkey tail
Liam O'Donnell Nani!
If you do really wanted to continue Toon Clash, can you please replace Cosmo with Jim Gisriel someday please?
When the previous result was so egregiously wrong, even the camera man is salty.
laxur1312 Ape Escape is adorable though.
I don't know who the camera guy is, but I love him so much. Please inform me about him.
Someone give that Cameraman his own show! He spoke my mind after everything was said and done with the FFVII and FFIX votes.
@Frazierdeanpy on Twitter . He is the general manager at tvog
That's Frazier Yadon Perez. He's good friends with Jirard and used to work at TOVG (not sure if he got rehired cuz he's been around a lot more lately). He is most well-known for an ongoing joke called #FindFrazier where the TOVG fanbase tried to hunt down a random episode of an even more random MTV show that he stared in back in the 90's where he played a stereotypical bad-boy boyfriend and yelled "COCK SUCKER FISH" at his girlfriend's mom.
Great guy, I'd recommend looking up the episode of Super Beard Bros where the #FindFrazier first started
yeah i like him
#FindFrazier
"Paper Mario is better than Final Fantasy VII"
Here's hoping for a RPG video game Madness in the future!
Also Frazier at the end, lul
Most JRPGs are better than FFVII.
People just can't accept it has aged and it's worse today than other entries in the series who still are charming in today's day and age.
In that regard, FFIV, VI and IX are far better cuz they aged better. Hell, Crisis Core is better than FFVIII. People just get blinded by nostalgia and feelings
@@kutami2951 LOL. Two SNES games have aged better than a PS1 game? IV has nowhere near the polish or balance of VII.
Stop hating on things just because they're popular.
@@StriderZessei pixels and pixel art ages better than bad CGI character models that look like deformed action figures.
Also, I can hate whatever I want. FFVII fans overshadow all other good entries in the series and other good and even better RPGs like Dragon Quest.
Speaking of which, Dragon Quest VIII makes FFVII look like horsecrap and it's already been ported to another system, along with all other DQ entries where to DS and 3DS. So yeah. FFVII is nowhere as good as other games were and other games are.
Oh, and don't count on the remake cuz it hasn't been announced anything at all about it in the slightest. It'd still be remaking the worse sequel to Crisis Core anyway (>w0)
@@kutami2951 I agree the graphics haven't aged as well, but if that's all that mattered, FFXV would be the best entry. That's just the virtue of newer games looking better than older ones.
I love both games, but I like VII better because the story, themes, setting and characters all resonated more to me.
I love VII, but it's not my favorite, and that doesn't mean I can't appreciate other games' strengths and contributions. Hipsters just like to hate on VII because of all the recognition it got. Happens to every flagship title for every console: OOT, Halo, etc.
@@StriderZessei thank you for not threaten to murder my entire family like most FFVII nostalfags would've.
I'm not saying that the graphics are the only thing. I just didn't like it as much, and yes, I played it through. I liked the prequel better cuz, in my opinion, Zak is a better character and his story is much, much more interesting. Same with the other games. I have something in all of them that makes me like them better than FFVII. I like to think of this in a similar way I don't like Ocarina of Time as much as other adventure games and other entries in the series.
Not saying the game is shit, it's good. But not as good as people put in on a pedestal for, undermining other RPGs who were just as good or better. The hate is for the popularity of the game and how people's opinion of it makes it outshine other RPGs that are better, thus making them less popular and played.
Also, I'm done with Cloud being in everything FF related in some way or another.
But yeah, not gonna undermine your opinion onnit as well. You can think what you want.. But it's healthy to keep in mind other RPGs series and other games open and judge things differently. For example, I said earlier that DQ VIII is much better for me than FFVII, but I find the story of it to not be as good as FFVII. I just love the atmosphere, gameplay and the fact that it also looks better than it.
My guess is Jirard had a talk with everyone before this episode. . .
Appears so, that last video was trash and he knew it
Well, maybe, but not necessarily due to any backlash from the last episode since I think they recorded all of this a month ago since Cad is doing his stuff in the UK now.
Probably something to the tune of
"Guys. If you choose Parappa over Final Fantasy 7, I will disown all of you."
Jirard deserves so much better
You can tell that his blood pressure is going up from the start when they begin talking about parappa
SomecallmeJohnny should have been in Barry's place. I like Barry fine enough, but he seems to have no experience in most of these games. John made an entire video dedicated to his past with PS1, not to mention his separate videos for Crash Bandicoot games, the Megaman X Series, and Castlevania Symphony of the Night.
On a sidenote, I'm somewhat shocked Megaman X4 didn't make this bracket.
Barry is a complete outsider and I don’t feel like he has any credible opinions when debating these games.
NO! Jirard lied multiple times in season 1... He deserves everything hes going through and more (ff9 did NOT deserve that tho)
RIP FF9. Shoulda been different
Playable party members die in Final Fantasy II, III, IV, V, and can die if certain actions are taken in VI. Aeris’ death as the first in the series is the most widespread piece of misinformation in the series.
I think Aerith's death is the most impactful because of some major differences.
1. The playable cast of FF7 is less than that of FF6 and FF4.
2. Aerith was an integral part of the story. Almost everything in the story thus far revolved around her being a Cetra.
3. It was an unexpected end of a rescue-mission. As opposed to the more common "I'll sacrifice myself to save you, you go ahead"-trope featured in many of the other deaths. And she was straigh-up murdered!
4. She never returned (as one character in the original FF4 and multiple in FF4 remakes) and her stats didn't pass on to any new recruits (as with Galuf->Krile in FF5)
This is my take on it, but you are very correct that killing off a playable character was nothing new to the story.
@@everdale8920 I disagree that Aerith was integral in a way. Sure she was important in that she just so happened to be a Cetra, but story-wise the game really forces her down your throat with the dating mechanics and makes her so happy-go-lucky in order to try and make her death more impactful.
In that way, I feel her death feels like a cheap shot and less impactful than what its hyped up to be. I also think her importance as a party member is overrated. Sure she has healing Limit Breaks, but you can just use Cure/Cure-All Materia for roughly the same effect without needing to fill her Limit Break. And sure, she does get better Limit Breaks later on, but it's completely optional to use her.
@coolguyman16 Sure, she's no Ned Stark. And everyone have their own preferences on what good storytelling is. But the first times you meet her, you're split up from your party (this makes it a more personal encounter). Then you save her, get to see her home, meet her adoptive mom etc. You as a player get to know Aerith in the same way Cloud does. The relationship with Tifa is different, because Cloud knows her since they were kids and this information gets filled in piece by piece (very different, neither is strictly better).
Even in my first playtrough, when I had the chance of swapping Aerith out of the party, I did. This was possibly a design choice from Square. I did this becuase she didn't feel as the best character to have in my party, and this might contribute to me not missing her "too much" in disc 2 and 3. In hindsight, perhaps Square should have made her more attractive to keep in your party. In my first playthrough I was just a kid, so I thought Tifa and Barret were a couple. So to me Aerith was the only "girlfriend-candidate", which made me care more for her.
I also feel that Square could have made her more relevant in other ways. Instead of Bugenhagen, she could have told the party about the lifestream. When she is dead, it would have been cool if she spoke to Cloud through the lifestream, but it could be left unsaid if it was his mako poison or actually her speaking.
nahh it was emotional due to the cinematic and the music, i find FFIV deaths more sad because Tellah dies saving you, the same with the twins although they get to live at the end of the game, or let's not forget about Galuf from FFV fighting alone against Exdeath until he collapses for your team to survive, but they are not as memorable just because the presentation and music, and no the playable cast of ff4 is only 2 less than the one from 7 so that's not a huge difference
@@ezunino1711 Even though agree that the music was superbly emotional, I will respectfully argue why the deaths of Galuf, Tellah etc would objectively be less emotional (I mean we are talking about opinions here, so nobody is wrong).
The troupe of a partymember sacrificing themself for the group would probably be less shocking and more often instill different feelings ("Damn, I didn't unequip them", or positive emotions that the character was brave to enough to willfully die). To most players, Aeriths death was probably seen as an unexpected murder. Of course the cinematics helped, but as I said before: it was the end of a rescue mission and you just found her. Sephiroth/Jenova ripped her away out of your hands.
To me Palom/Porom and Galuf are quite emotional as well. But in my eyes FF7 was the first game to really make me feel the party members were distinctly different from each other. Previous characters had backgrounds, but (at least to me) it didn't feel like they had much agency once they became partymembers. In FF7 they totally do, Barret gets angry as a way to cope with emotions and Cait Sith has "his" own agenda (to name a few).
Tellah and Galuf were both old, it felt like they sacrificed themselves to save the lives of those who had more to live for. When Aerith died I felt like it wasn't necessary, she didn't need to die. So why did it happen? I wanted it undone, just as most people losing a relative feel (especially if there's an accident or the like).
Projared is watching this screeching like Matt Watson.
But does that make it a better PS1 game?
@@sthespike ...Yeah
Bratt Watson
Just from my standpoint, I had NEVER heard of Parappa the Rapper untill like 2001 or 2002. Breath of Fire 3 and Final Fantasy 7 were my first digs into the JRPG genre and those have been my gold standard when it comes to the genre.
Oh.. BoF3! Such underrated franchise! And fuck Capcom still stay in this case!
I swear if FFVII loses to Parappa...
Kelton Bowling never know with this group
If it loses, it will be true to the matchup.
Parappa better than Shitty Fantasy Saven
It would have lost to literally any other non-RPG game in the bracket guaranteed. Neither FF game will win any of the other matchups the rest of the bracket with the group they have
cptawesome I'm not claiming that FFVII is the best game ever, I'm just saying that there's more substance to the game than there is in Parappa
@@sasuke64palms Prappa is a 0/10 Music Game thats easier to play with No Sound with the Narrative of the English Naruto Dub.
FF7 Is a 10/10 Masterpiece which introduced almost all of North America to RPGs.
FF7 Is so Much Better then Parappa that The PC Demo Where you out of context walk down the railroad part after Costa Del Sol is STILL a better game then Parappa.
Jesus christ.
Also FF7 Is Gonna lose to any game that can muster a 2/10 just like FF9 Did and that angers me.
Shane: "Paper Mario is better than FF7"
Shane....
MY MAN
Well Paper Mario is better than FF7......
Matt M. In your opinion.
"Final Fantasy VII actually killed party members. What other JRPG did that?"
*laughs in Megami Tensei*
Why do they keep saying 4 discs?
Final fantasy 7 was 3 discs not 4.
I think they are confusing ff7 and ff8
Depends The Pc version and the international Japanese version have 4.
@@paas5258 OMG someone remembers that there is a PC version! Proof it does exist! :P
I had the PC version growing up. It was 4 discs, but disc 1 was basically the installation disc. But on the other hand, Barry said he used Kazaa to download the cut scenes, and on the PC version, you can watch all the cutscenes anytime you want in the game files.
@@paas5258 I never knew that.
I never played the PC version.
Thanks for pointing that out
I remember playing the demo as a kid and it was a weird feeling playing on the keyboard. But yes, the ps1 version had a spot for the booklet with art of one of the airships. Its stuff like this that burns in your head that give that nastalgic iconic memory.
Angry Jirard is so fun to watch
Not if he was correct 0_0
I hope after 12 seasons of madness we just get a bracket of the last 12 winners and see who the madness grand champion is
Batman TAS vs Mario 64? I'm down for this. I have no idea how that would work, but I'd love to see them try.
ha 12th season..... imagine that
"I'm sorry to interrupt you, please continue" Glad to see the Madness I know and love come back. This episode was much better than the last. Fleshed out points, legitimate discussion, highs and lows of each game brought to the table. All while still keeping that goofy quality that keeps me chuckling along with the conversation. Keep up the good work gents!
All the while Caddy talks over literally everyone with no remorse.
I wouldn't give them that much credit.
How they were talking at the end about how it would just be wrong to say parappa is a better game than ff7 is the exact reason everyone got so mad last episode. It's absurd to say ape escape was a better game than ff9.
I'm sure they make those before publishing it. If this video would be answer to people being justifiably pissed on them, then it in fact would be even worst!
"Just realized that I miss clicked and commented on the wrong disscution*
I disagree heavily. Parappa is in a position where it is just clearly not as good as most of the list and is only really on the list because the character is iconic, however Ape Escape is actually a really good game that works really well. Having played both, and despite being a huge fan of jrpgs/rpgs over most any other genre (especially platformers,) I actually find that Ape Escape is at least equal to ff9. Now it's fine if you want to disagree and say that ff9 is actually better, people are allowed to have different opinions, but to essentially say that it should no argument that ff9 is better is what is absurd.
@@homerman76 For the note. Majority of criticism was regard they approach to jRPG in general, when they didn't talk about quality of the products but basically shit on game they didn't play because it is jRPG. That was totally incompetent approach! Jirard was literally one who try say something valid about both games. If FFIX would lost after being treated respectfully, people wouldn't be that pissed.
@@TheRezro Oh I definitely agree, I was rooting for Ape Escape, but I hate how they made it feel like the only reason Ape Escape wins is because 3 out of the 5 didn't like or didn't care about ff9, and how it felt like only Jirard really talked about the good points of the game. Last episode would have been so much better if they actually spent time discussing the good points of each game, and then the bad points that weren't made from pure bias :(
Haha, the camera man it's the voice of the internet xD
I would enjoy a JRPG Madness Bracket at some point!( As long as all 4 panelists enjoy JRPGs of course)
Take out Caddy and Barry, add Jared and Satchbag, and you will have your JRPG panel. (and to make the bracket more interesting, one game per franchise).
Aaron Loehr you sure you still want Jared?
@@WardenKaz yea
I love how you emphasise how much Caddy annoys the completionist lol
Greetings and salutations btw. Love your content Caddy!
Final Fantasy VII truly captures the spirit of what makes a good N64 game.
Everyone is complaining about them being biased but the show is called Madness not called let's cater to the viewers. That's the fun of it
Nobody is complaining about Bias. Everyone is complaining about Dumbassery.
For the exact same reasons I don't Review Cars they should not be reviewing jRPGs.
3 of the 5 don't like JRPG, and there are 2 JRPGs voted by PS 1 FANS....
Then they shouldn’t have the title THE BEST PS1 GAMES
as usual, ffix gets shafted but vii doesnt
i'd be more irritated if this wasn't already what the company that made them does anyway
Exactly it pisses me off so fucking much that 7 gets all the praise but 9 doesnt. Cloud is the most unlikable wet blanket in the world.
It's sad but true FFIX is an underrated gem of a game it deserves better
@@tinalevesque5772 Super late reply, but Cloud's super interesting actually. Some hefty reveals midway through and even more context to that reveal in VII Crisis Core. Won't deny that I still kinda enjoy Zidane more though.
TWO YEARS LATE REPLY... FINISH!
This is going to be interesting because Jirard has realized that FFVII may not win as easily as he initially thought. Jirard is now worried that in the wake of Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, and dare I say even Ape Escape that FFVII might get crushed. I feel sorry for him but I also think this is a taste of his own medicine. After all, one of his main reasons against Ocarina back in the N64 bracket was how it was 'overhyped' and VII is often considered the Ocarina of the PS1 - for better or worse.
Though the last round was a trainwreck, I can't seem to turn away from this show. Time will tell. After all, Symphony has lost and Jirard did not see that coming.
You have chosen...WISELY.
I want that Buster Sword in the back.
Has Barry played any of the games on the list?
I don't think Barry actually play videogames
He has played Ape Escape.
@@notsokka4922 and Parappa
He played mgs, parappa, ape escape, and I think maybe silent hill
That Camera guy needs to be on the panel lol He was great.
If 9 couldn't win, I'm at least glad 7 did! 9 may be my favorite, but 7 is a close second!
When this series is over, I hope they have n64 games vs ps1 games.
...Is it safe to come out yet?
No
NormalBoots absolutely no
Hell no.
*cocks shotgun*
not until we come back from the shooting range
yes. they are just mad that you all gave your opinion and your opinion is different than theirs. It is safe
That ending
The camera man needs to be on the show! The 15 seconds of audio time he had, brought a lot of valid points. Nice work camera guy!!
Legend of Dragoon would have made this interesting.. just saying...
Definitely
I don't know. After the sh*tstorm that happened with 9...this conversation felt...underwhelming...
I wonder if 7 would have lost against Apes Escape...
Well no…. because THEY ACTUALLY PLAYED FFVII
It lost only because they were absolutely incompetent in that episode.
I think these episodes are filmed waaaaay in advance because Cad is already doing his own stuff on his own channel in the UK as far as I know.
@@Xetelian They do, and I think they shoot them in the course of like two days? Maybe even only one.
Yes because the only Reason FF7 Won is because it is Physically painful to try and play Parappa. If I had to choose between Cutting my hand and playing the entirety of Parappa I would 100% give myself a chop
This season has been a bit more polarizing so far, but I can't deny that it's all been incredibly entertaining. Keep up the great work, guys.
At the end, I'm glad SOMEONE said it. lol
Still, overall this was a much more enjoyable video. It felt like there was actual discussion into what made each game enjoyable or not, versus the last time where... yeah. So kudos on that, you guys.
(but i just knew ffvii would go on I just KNEW because it's vii, that's it, even though ix is so good too y'all, i'm dying inside)
WAIT DID THEY ACTUALLY PLAY FINAL FANTASY VII?
It was kind of big deal in its time.
Barry doesn't seem to have played it
@@itsalolmor And so she should judge it basing on arguments of people who did, instead ignoring it on principle.
@@itsalolmor At this rate, I'm wondering if Barry has played anything except Ape Escape
@@NordicAndNerdy I think barry played Ape Escape as Homework to be in the Bracket not any time before that.
This is how the last episode should have gone
Nathan Evans Eh, FF9 is average compared to AE. The argument itself was just pathetic.
I enjoy this series so much. Thank you for this.
Whats funny is I do have a Spyro Plush that dates back to the original PS 1 Spyro Games!
How is it this match had more discussion of each game than FFIX vs Ape Escape?
As soon as this popped up I chuckled after watching the last one. Madness indeed!
I love how every episode is now just Jirard's face in a look of pain and anger as the thumbnail.
It's safe to say Shane is Best Boot in Madness. Jirard gets honorary mentions because I could feel his pain in these last two episodes.
I actually paused and peeked at the end just to make sure... Just so I could prepare myself for any more non life altering shocks
I know JRPGs are kind of decisive, so I don't blame Caddi, Berry, and Shane for not liking them, but I do wish Jirard had a bit more backup in defending them. It is still fun to watch you guys all talk it out though, even if there is a bit of trolling going on :P
The opening to FFVII still gives me chills.
What other RPG had the balls to kill off party members? Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI (though you can save him), Phantasy Star II, and Phantasy Star IV. I'm probably missing some, but VII was not the first to kill off one of the main characters. But it was one of the first to kill off a character in such an emotional way.
PS IV was so, so good. It's better than any game we've had in madness so far
@@firedrake110 It really is a fantastic RPG. Certainly the best on the Genesis and one of the best of the 16 bit era.
I have a weird feeling about this, after the FF9/Ape Escape episode. Parappa is an awesome game, but FF7 was THE blockbuster of its time: it was huge, with a lot of quests and it basically SOLD the Playstation 1. I'm really curios to see how this will end.
FF 7 is to the PS1 what Halo was to the original Xbox. They're flagship games, driving forces
Parappa is NOT an Awesome Game. You sir are a Liar and I challenge you to show me ANY footage of "awesome" coming from Parappa. It's not only not an awesome game but it is the Absolute Worst game ever made in the entire Genre of Rhythm.
@@vailathi Yeah I agree to a certain extent, but I also think that it's wrong to just count out other gems like Crash 2 and Spyro Ripto's Rage which have aged wonderfully and are incredibly fun. Final Fantasy VII is an incredibly well made game and it's quality can't be denied, however it isn't objectively better than any other PS1 game
Well, it's hip to shame FFVII but that's entirely Square's fault for milking it so much. People who didn't get it then, hates it now. But it was the best experience you could have in a game console back then.
Square has NEVER milked that game, the fans did, and forced Square to do something with it. It'd be fiscally irresponsible not to.
Was it the best experience? I had FF7. I stopped playing it after about 3 or 4 hours. I, meanwhile, played the living hell out of Mega Man X4, Ehrgeiz, and Pocket Fighter, and was religiously playing Diablo on PC at the time (so it's not that I'm not an RPG fan). Those games were a far better experience for me, especially the enjoyment of tagging out with friends while playing them. FF7 was only amazing because it was the longest video game every made and had cut scenes. And before you say anything about it being good to hate on it, I was there when it came out, and I played it at a friend's house before getting it myself. I was knee deep in that hype, just as I was there for Doom taking over the world. It wasn't that good then and it's even worse now.
@@ScooterinAB I'm not saying it was the best game, I'm saying it was the best experience on consoles at the time. Maybe this sounds completely wrong to somebody who didn't enjoy it as much as other games, but saying it was worst than most FF or even the majority of the PS catalog like a lot of people say it's just unfair. By the way, I had Ehrgeiz, it was mediocre. And I loved it, specally the bizarre Quest Mode.
I may be a week late...but ff7 is a fantastic rpg on its own, the lack of a defined class system, robust materia system, compelling story (fuck anyone who thinks it's confusing or contrived) and cool characters.
Not watched through this just yet but watching Jirard's facial expressions during this season is like having a puppy look at you and you just can't help but give them a cuddle and your entire roast dinner.
im glad that camera guy spoke up about the injustice done to FFIX
How does one even compare these two. More importantly. Why wasn't ff7 going against ff9. This should of been a later match.
The bracket is built using a random generator
Liked in the first minute on Jirard's face alone
The look on Jirard's face just makes me think he's debating how to use his coffee mug to smash over one of the other's heads.
The camera guy at the end tho...he is the voice of the comments section. The voice of the people. Much love camera man.
Can you summarize what he said? I actually couldn't tell due to the noise.
Is Parapa in Smash?
No, he’s In Playstation All Stars
Know who else is in Smash and is cool, possibly cooler than Cloud?
ALUCARD FROM SYMPHONY OF THE NIGHT
Fionn Gamer he’s in the background, that barely counts
Chrono trigger killed it's main character not just your main healer
Well, to be fair, you're given the chance to revive Crono later on in the game. Once Aerith dies, she's gone for good.
Oof I haven't played Chrono Trigger yet, so I just got a spoiler.
Final Fantasy 2, 4 and 5 all have party members die in them, Aerith was nothing new for the series. Heck, FF6 had a character that *could* die if you don’t wait for him to rejoin you at the end of Disc 1.
maxspecs I haven't played any of these games yet. I am just loving these spoilers 😂
@@jonah2437 don't let any of what we have said stop you from playing these. Speaking strictly to chronological trigger which I have played dozens of times there is a lot more to that game than one character death it is something you have play there is a lot game left after that point
this debate was more enjoyable than the previous, but maybe because i played those games?
anyway, the montage and cuts of this video were more noticeable but pretty good in my opinion.
I love Frazier's energy at the end, and that's as someone who didn't mind last episode.
Whoever that was off-camera wins this episode. Hands down.
Get the camera guy on the panel.
Ok the freak out at the end made that worth it lol
I'd argue that Gitaroo Man has built upon the legacy of PaRappa.
Also Britney's Dance Beats...
Aerith was NOT your main healer. She may have had limit breaks that focused on healing but whoever had the cure, revive, and heal materia was the healer of the group and ANYONE could equip it
But she was your main healer. Yeah, anyone could have equipped the materia for it, but she was the go to be healer character. As you said, she had limit breaks focused on it. Anyone could be the healer, but Aerith was THE healer.
@@Dragonsbeard. you're not wrong. I just never really had many chances to use her limit breaks though and when I did my party was either already fully healed or I had already used a spell or healing item to cure me of any status ailments the limit break could remove.
But I loved her limit breaker that would instantly activate the other 2 party members limit breaks (Fury Brand) and the one that made the party invulnerable for a time (Planet Protector)
My thoughts exactly. Also in my initial play through I didn't really like her as a character so never used her because I didn't need to because of the materia system. So when she died I was like oh.... ok....
Finally! A win for Jirard!
Parappa was basically the game your aunt would buy your for your birthday/christmas, along with Bubsy 3D.
While FF7 is a game from a well known franchise, in 3D, it was THE game that defined the PS1 at the time.
That ending was hilarious lmao, echoing the comment section
I wish Parappa had moved on. But I can’t argue why FFVII would loose. It’s just a better game
Well Barry, at least you apologized.
Edgar Garcia He did?
"Parappa The Rapper" is that friend who silently judges you when you're out in public.
God that look on Jirard’s face while they were lauding PaRappa... I wish I could bottle that and keep it for later.
Just saying before this starts, if FF7 gets anything like the treatment FF9 got I shall be an angry, sad nerd. None of us wants a repeat of last episode so please get back to your awesome selves. 😉
What are you talking about. Last episode were the best episode so far. Or are you treating this as the definitive list of the objectively better game for some reason and mad that its not the obvious pick? This is madness. it is meant to be fun, subjective and intriguing.
@@RetroFurui Different people watch for different reasons. I appreciated the thoughtful and reasoned out discussions in the last two seasons of madness where the judges actually made an effort to balance their subjective opinions, humor, and even occasional trolling with an attempt to look at things as objectively as possible for something like this. I would have probably thought it ridiculous for FF IX to lose that match regardless due to my opinions of the two games, but the way that match up was treated was so far outside of what this series had led me to expect that I honestly took zero enjoyment from it.
If there had been anything approaching a balanced and reasonable discussion of FF IX I wouldn't have horribly minded despite disagreeing with the outcome. It's a bunch of different peoples' opinions and expecting all of them to perfectly line up with me is naive. That said, a large part of my frustration is definitely tied to the fact that I am personally very attached to FF IX and was strongly looking forward to seeing it discussed in the way I enjoyed seeing other games/shows I cared about being discussed. What I got was something very different.
You're free to disagree and enjoy the series for different reasons, but don't be shocked when other people enjoy it for different reasons from you too.
@@Matty_Meister Dude, I was being fecitious with the whole "No one wants a repeat" because of all the shit they were getting in the comments as much as anything else. Thus the winky face emoji... This whole comment chain is unnecessary. I'm just trying to not to dwell on how annoyed I am at the last video so I can enjoy the rest of the series and instead I'm defending a simple comment because the internet can't understand context or let any innocent comment escape unmolested. Fuck.
My previous comment already made clear I don't mind the comedy/trolling when it's not taken to extremes at the expense of any meaningful discussion. Reply if you want. I'm done.
With how this is going, Final Fantasy VII isn't going to win in the end. It's 3 anti rpg guys vs 2 lol.
Also, Final Fantasy IX is so much better than VII and it was beat by Ape Escape. A game that controlled like ass lol.
Ape Escape controlled just fine. It was unorthodox for sure, and noone picked it up and immediately 'got' it. But given how the gadgets controlled, the layout mapping was perfectly suited...
And the whole 'R1 to jump' thing? R1 is fine for jump. I always make R1 for brake in racers, and it's sort of similar when jumping.
Ape Escape is my favourite 3D platformer ever; FFIX is my favourite FF in the series and probably my favourite turn based RPG ever... I would seriously struggle to choose between the two!
Every time you have a Kroger on the docket, Jirard looks like he’s experiencing real trauma and it’s hilarious.
I hope next season has all 4 guests different from the previous seasons
No matter how much someone will argue otherwise, I cannot bring myself to like FFVII. It's my least favorite in the FF series, and I have a multitude of reasons for that. First off, it does NOT feel like a fantasy game. I get that some of VI, among many of the other modern FF games are much less fantasy regardless (XV is my 2nd least favorite due to not even being a JRPG anymore, but almost ties with VII for me). The futuristic style just contradicts with the series idealogy in a sense, and I much prefer playing IV and VI (Why the hell wasn't FFVI just called FFIV in the west, did they give up on hiding the actual entry numbers?). My biggest issue with FFVII is that it introduced way too many of those minigame bits. If they were optional, that would be a lot better, but no, pretty much every single one is required. Squatting was a weird one, but the CPR minigame had me on end, my gods. I spent probably 20-40 solid minutes trying to do it all because the game was not being cooperative. I was probably doing somehing wrong, but I also did not expect to be performing CPR after riding on dolphins (which also is very weird). I will admit, the game has outstanding music, especially the battle music, and pretty visuals for the most part (where it falls is the overworld character models and the weird 15FPS battle lock, I'm a bit confused on that). However, if I were to nitpick about anything the most, anything at all, it would be Cloud. To keep it short, he is pure fan service. He is seen and referenced in nearly every FF game after the PS1 FF era somehow (especially in spin-offs and the XIII series, which I actually like XIII, don't know how though), and the Smash appearance a while back was an unjustified entry. Not only that, the Advent Children movie version of Cloud. That movie in GENERAL was all over the place. The plot about a virus from Sephiroth, Cloud being even EDGIER, it just boggles me. I get that all I'm doing is trashing on FFVII, and that I'm just an internet rando, but I needed to voice this. I hear so much praise for FFVII, and my bias toward IV and VI really do not help here, I just want to hear more criticism toward FFVII. I enjoyed the actual JRPG gameplay when it happened, and even the character development in some areas. I also prefer IX over VII due to it's return to actual fantasy roots. If anyone wants to argue a point or two on why FFVII is good despite what I have mentioned, go ahead. If you read this far, then I'm shocked.
I mean I can understand how you could dislike it, it's an opinion. It's yours to have. I personally enjoy it, but i haven't even finished it yet. I'm still fairly early on
Loom Bud ... Hate FF7 is you Want but if you like FF8 More then 7 you are what is wrong with America. (even if you are not American)
@@SeereDelixcroix FFVIII is way too edgy for me. FFIX is probably the best one out of the PS1 games, and IV and VI are the best ones outright, in my opinion.
Parappa is going to get steamrolled. This is a joke. FF7 should have gone against FF9 and Parappa against Ape Escape. The fact that they looked at this bracket and thought “yeah, that’s a fair matchup” is simultaneously depressing and the funniest shit this channel has ever done.
the bracket was randomly selected
I would like that setup.
This matchup makes way more sense. This is gonna be Re2 vs FFVII and Re will win.
TheKingOfTown This video clearly indicates why they SHOULDN’T be randomly selected. Picking two more comparable games makes for more interesting/fair discussions for the opening brackets.
the point of madness is that they randomly pick games to go against each other. That is why it is called Madness
I’m impressed this video was longer then like 3 minutes long
"Aeris was the first onscreen death", easiest way to unknowingly admit you've never played Final Fantasy V.
Aerith's death was far from a first for Final Fantasy. Party member death goes all the way back to FF II (rip Minwu. You died for a glitched spell that was supposed to be the best but was outclassed by basic fire magic). Tellah's death and Palom and Porom's petrification in IV were super sad moments (though technically P&P do get healed at the end so they don't quite count). Galuf dies in V. Shadow can die in VI if you're not careful on the floating continent. Honestly, given how some of these previous moments were actual sacrifices rather than "bad guy drops out of nowhere to kill her" they're much more affecting than Aerith's death imo.
But I don't know what I was expecting from the group that shat all over IX without even having played it.
What's crazy is that VI is, if I recall correctly, Jirard's favorite Final Fantasy. It's understandable that the others would have such misconception (Caddy openly admits he's not into JRPGs, and I'm beginning to suspect Barry doesn't even play videogames at all), but him? Kinda awkward.
I agree with Shane. Paper Mario IS better than FFVII.
Totally forgot about Kazaa. Used to download music and DBZ that wasn't out yet.
Cloud does have an iconic phrase
"Let's mosey"
DAMAGE CONTROL
We filmed these at the same time lol
@@ForrestFurst I figured. I jus meant the timing of the FF7 episode released right after the FF9 episode lol.
Who knew JRPG fans were so aggressive
Dude... Everyone knew.
Jirard's face, in the beginning, is like, "this is not happening again".
Is it bad that I loved finishing FFVII so I can see that ending cut scene and Tifa’s giggle physics? 😂
Also, I don't like that at this point it seems like they're mocking about JRPG's (for some nonsense reason), I know the show is supposed to be this way so it's funny and bla bla bla, but I don't like the tone.
ELFKanginFan jrpgs are long and not fun unless you get really invested
They clearly are biased.
@@TheRezro They have always been biased.
@@Baalshazar I've said it before, but the problem isn't that they are biased. It isn't even that they won't acknowledge their bias b/c they are, upfront. The issue is that they keep going with it at times to the point in which, and they might not realize it during shooting, it is just anti-whatever they are biased against. At that point, they don't give the opposing game a chance, and therefore, the whole episode becomes a mess. That was the Ape Escape v. FFIX episode in a nutshell.
Here, they, again revealed their bias to the audience, but the difference in what they do despite said bias shows in this episode compared to the last.
Baalshazar who isn't biased tho?
Incoming a bunch of hipsters that are just gonna shit on Final fantasy vii despite it actually being a competently good game.
More like 'Incoming a bunch of hipsters who are just going to worship the ground Final Fantasy VII despite the technical and lore issues that the game has."
:P
@@shinigamimiroku3723 well with the master sword this game created the most known sword design ever
@danrg26 To be sure, the Buster Sword is iconic. With that said, after having watched this video I came out feeling very unsatisfied. Almost nothing was said about FF7's shortcomings (of which there are plenty), while the comments toward PaRappa were far more balanced. This is exactly what I expected in this round, and is exactly what I expect in the next round.
Ironically, when they get around to the Game Boy I actually expect a similar treatment for Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 You seams to not understand what word "hipster" mean you hipster 0_0
No one deny that FF games tend to have some issues. But FF games, especially FFVII is still widely appreciated game and it shouldn't be ridiculed in ignoramus way only because someone want sound cool to himself.
@@TheRezro Cute. By using the term as an insult rather than a reference to a general group of people, you automatically nullify any statement you make to have merit. I, as is likely the OP, used it in the latter sense. Try to avoid ad hominem arguments in the future.
Caddy said he was looking into FF after this. I wonder if he’s gonna review it?
That final rant offscreen is completely me.