SETH! My brother in Christ I could kiss you on your face. You have elated my spirit, brother you have saved me. You have saved me. I was born in 2000 and raised a Jehovahs Witness. I left the organization in 2020. Since then I’ve been through so much strife and grief in my pursuit of faith. Years of wondering and confusion. Such a weight on my heart for so long. I finally gave up on trying to find the truth in scripture because after I lost my faith in the Jehovahs Witnesses translation; I didn’t know what to trust. I’ve prayed for years for God to help show me the way. Finally not 2 weeks ago I prayed incessantly. I’ve always prayed to Jehovah, but I asked this time: “Christ are you him?” “Please show me, have I really been THAT lost this whole time?” Seth, Christ has used you to save my life, and end my grief. My eyes were opened because of Christ through you. I’m at work listening to this and I leaped into the air and screamed “CHRIST IS LORD”. Shivers moved through my entire body. I felt it in my bones. Seth thank you, thank you thank you thank you. I know it might seem random and silly my friend but I am forever in your debt. Thank CHRIST.
Wow that’s amazing! All praise to Jesus, and you have been moved by Holy Spirit to find the truth, and Seth was amazing at pointing it all out. I have subscribed to Seth today, great work brother!
@IrishBuzz What an incredible testimony! Thank you so much for sharing that with me. I'm so glad the Lord has seen fit to use my video to help draw you to Himself. I'm so thrilled for you! I'd encourage you to check out some of my older videos as well and if you have any questions about anything, don't hesitate to ask. Christ is Lord indeed!
Dude, we have the same story! Both born in 2000, and both left the organization in 2020. And Seth has helped both of us (I found him last week Thursday). God is definitely working through him
I noticed JWs love to tell Christians what we believe the Trinity to be. And when we tell them what we believe and what the Trinity is, they have an automatic OFF switch. They are truly mind controlled! Thank you for the visual representation of the Trinity. I will definitely use that ❤ God Bless You🙏
You're very welcome! I'm so glad the Lord has brought some JW's into your life. I'll be praying that the Lord uses you mightily to bring them to a knowledge of the truth!
looks like the witnesses are out in force in the comments today..... keep up the wonderful work! As an ex JW (now Christian) it's good to see someone putting in the work to show these people the truth about Jesus in their own bible
@@teffillername3374 il take you to a few scripture the first 1 is John 1 v 1 he who did this vidio did not check to see if the new word translation is correct let’s check in the beginning was the word ? What beginning Jehovah never had a beginning hes the king of eternity? So the word was with TON THEON the father and the word was THEOS a god not GOD there’s 2 different words used there ? Then you have jesus saying at revelation 3 v 14 saying he the beginning of the creation by God now only the trinity bibles have changed that to ruler or orginater but the word in Greek is saying that the new word translation is correct even more so THEOS is used at acts 28 v 6 when Paul was bitten by a viper and they thought he was THEOS NOT TON THEON a god
There is one thing for sure no human will ever shut the mouths of the JW organization. They will continue preaching until Armageddon. JWs are in fact Christians and followers of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ mission was preaching about the good news of God's kingdom, establish a new law and to reveal his father's will. As followers I'm pretty sure the JW organization has sufficiently demonstrated themselves as Christ followers over the last 100years.
Hi @ronhansen8471! I actually made a video about some of the Watchtower's prophecies over the years that I think you'll be very interested in, especially if you're curious about Armageddon and other end-times events like that. Check it out and I'd love to hear your comments afterwards! Link below... ruclips.net/video/qlGEaOYArsQ/видео.html
The J.W's will hear *Matthew 7:21-23* on that Great and Dreadful day 😢 May the name of *Yeshua Ha-MaShiach* be Praised for the Glory of God the Father of our LORD & Saviour ❤
Who is the father of our lord and savior? Do you know what the fathers will is? (Matthew 7:21KJV) “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". God's word says only the ones doing the will of Jesus Christ's father will enter into the kingdom of the heavens. It is most critical knowing what God's will is to gain approval. The out working of God's will is the most important issue in the universe and Jesus came to make his fathers will known on earth. I understand your love but knowing the Hebrew pronunciation by 1st century Christians will not help the cause. In Hebrew it was most likely pronounced Yeshua Ha-MaShiach and in Greek it was I·e·sousʹ Khri·stosʹ and in Latin it was Ieʹsus Chriʹstus and English is Jesus Christ.
@@ronhansen8471 Thanks for Showing me Jesus Name in Hebrew, Greek and English that was Awesome bro too much i appreciate that 🙋♂️ ....I have to Disagree with you on the Original language doesn't matter because it does ... *THE HEBREW LEXICON, THE GREEK INTERLINEAR & AN ENGLISH DICTIONARY* are a Bible Student Best friend ..... Yes I know the Fathers Will so lets look at *Matthew 7:21* What the Fathers will is Ok *John 6:37-40* (N.I.V) (37) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and Whoever comes to me i will never drive away. (38) For i have come down from Heaven (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:18/3:13) NOT TO DO MY WILL BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME, That i shall lose None he has given me BUT RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY (John 17:2-3) (40) *For my FATHERS WILL is that EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS TO THE SON & BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* ..... Question.... Are you doing the Fathers will (John 6:40/Matthew 7:21-23) 🤔
*John 6:37-40* (N.IV) (37) All that the Father Gives me will COME TO ME & Whoever Comes to me i will NEVER drive away. (38) For i have come DOWN FROM HEAVEN (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:18/3:13) not to do my Will BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME, *that i shall lose none he has given me BUT RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* (40) 👉 *FOR MY FATHERS WILL IS THAT EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS TO THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* 👈 Question : Are you doing the Fathers Will 🤔 *Matthew 7:21/ John 6:40* 🤔
Thank you for showing me Jesus name in Hebrew , Greek and English that is Awesome bro ...Can tell you have some Wisdom on you ....Wow but i have to disagree with you about the Original language thing because it is Important when Translations are involved *The Hebrew Lexicon, The Greek Interlinear and An English Dictionary are a Bible Student BEST FRIEND* Bless you bro 🙋♂️
I'm astonished that the Trinity is so strongly ingrained in the Bible that even this translation that actively tries to get rid of it, STILL can't do it! Loved this video brother. Keep up the good work!
I agree! That really says something when an authoritarian group like the Watchtower, which literally has control over the Biblical text, can't fully erase a doctrine that they disagree with. I think that's a testament to the sheer strength of the Deity of Christ. Thanks for watching!
@@moseslivingstone1258it’s easy to see that you haven’t read Early Church history. You are aware the disciples Peter, Paul and John taught the first church fathers? And they taught the Trinity? Why didn’t the disciples teach this? Well, reading the Gospels it is quite clear they knew Jesus was God. Hundred of years? You mean the second century? A couple of years after the original disciples passed away? Read up on church history please. Come to see the TRUINE God. The Trinity adds to God divinity. It doesn’t take away from it 👌
There is no Trinity in the Bible. Historically the Trinity became dogma in 325 by the Council of Nicaea. No apostle was Trinitarian. Being Jews they recited the Shema which says that the Almighty YHWH is one person not three, the Trinity has corrupted christianity and has alienated many from the true message of the good news which is that the Almighty has reconciled himself with the world through the death of his human son, Jesus.
@@fcastellanos57 it’s sad how you don’t see that just because the Trinity wasn’t established until a certain date doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been a core doctrine since the beginning. Repent 🙏❤️
Any plans on doing something similar to this combating modalism? I was raised as a UPC oneness pentecostal, recently becoming Catholic, and there's very little polemics in the way of combatting the modalist heresy. If you are, make sure you read up on modern oneness theology, because they have some strange doctrines foreign to classical sabellianism that were added in to defend against the common attacks against modalism
Hi again @zunir0a, sadly I did not. I checked the "held" comments and didn't see it there either. I know sometimes RUclips will delete comments if there's a link that it doesn't like. Could you try again and ensure there aren't any links or anything?
Love the practical tips - we only need our Bible and the JW bible. Really even just the JW bible, the preeminence and deity of Jesus can be shown. Thanks for the digging in on the scriptures! Jesus Christ is the only person, the only name, the First and the Last, that can save your soul! AMEN!
If Jesus is God why did Jesus plead to God for help ? HEBREWS 5:7-9. Jesus pleaded to God with tears and outcries to save him from death. God did save Jesus from death by resurrecting him back to life, due to "Jesus' obedience." MATTHEW 7:21-23. Jesus said that those who worship him instead of worshiping his Father in heaven, are his enemies. 1 TIMOTHY 2:5. ""FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, A MAN -JESUS CHRIST."" GALATIANS 3:20. ""NOW THERE IS NO MEDIATOR WHEN JUST ONE PERSON IS INVOLVED, BUT GOD IS ONLY ONE."" That is so specific that it is impossible that Jesus is God. It takes two beings for a mediator to mediate between. God cannot be a mediator, only Jesus can be mediator between God and men.
Heb 5 - Jesus pleaded to God for help because Jesus has two natures-God and human. As human, he lived in full dependence upon his God. Mat 7 - Jesus did not claim that worshiping him was wrong. He said that an empty confession that he is Lord Jehovah is worthless. 1Ti - Jesus is the perfect mediator because he is both God and human, and thus can bring both parties together in himself. Gal 3:20 - Paul contrasts the promise given to Abraham with the Law. CONTEXT (JWs cannot grasp the concept or necessity of context). The Law was given through a mediator (Moses) to the people, but the promise given to Abraham was given directly by God when he appeared to Abraham in Gen 12. This verse destroys the JW argument that God can't be seen because God is saying that he didn't use a mediator when he gave the promise to Abraham. None of these verses preclude Jesus from being God. Read the CONTEXT.
I wouldn't say that he *couldn't* have become an angel, theoretically speaking. The question I'm more interested in is what *did* he actually do in history. And according to the Bible, he became a man, rather than an angel.
Mark 7:19 New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures 19 since it enters, not into his heart, but into his stomach, and it passes out into the sewer?” Thus he declared all foods clean. Acts 10:15 New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures 15 And the voice spoke again to him, the second time: “Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” These two versus proves Jesus is God since He made all foods clean and He told Peter "Stop calling the defiled the thing God has cleansed" which not only make Jesus God but Jesus calls himself God.
*Shhh* 🤫... *Let The Gospels Speak!* 📖 • *John 10:33* - After the Jewish Leaders attempted to stone Jesus, accusing him of *making himself "God"* (KJV) ... Why did Jesus correct them by saying, *"I said I am God's Son?"* (verse 36) • Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12) - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]* *[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]* • *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* • *John 14:28* - Jesus says, *"The Father is Greater than [I am]."* (ISV, GWT, CEV, NWT, NLT) • *Luke 1:32 & 35* - Why does the Angel Gabriel call Jesus *Son of the Most High?* • *John 20:28* - After *Thomas* said, *"My God & My Lord,"* ... Why does *"vs 31"* say "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, *THE SON OF GOD?* *(Not God The Son)* • *Matt. **16:15**,16* - When Jesus asked, *"Who do U say I am,* ... Why did Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, *THE SON OF THE LIVING God?”* *(Not God the Son)* • *John 5:19* - Jesus says: *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."* ________________ *Plz show me these Spurious-Slogans-N-Scripture?* 🤔 • *God The Son* • *"Co-Equel Essence [or Substance] of God"* • *"Holy Trinity"*
Unitarians attempt to use Jesus’ words in John 10:34-38 to claim that Jesus was correcting the Jew’s misconception that he was claiming to be God. This is a monumental failure to comprehend the text. The Jewish leaders asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Christ (or “Messiah”). The Jews had a misconception about what the Messiah would be and “most were eagerly awaiting a political messiah who would overthrow the harsh Roman rule,”(1) so Jesus couldn’t give a simple yes/no answer. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God who was doing the work of his Father. Yes, Jesus’s claim to be one with the Father was a claim of ontological identity with the Father.(2) The “Father and Son are indistinguishable in purpose and nature but distinguishable in person. As in 8:58, Jesus’ claim here forms a climax to a discourse and prompts an attempt to stone him to death.”(3) The Jews called God their Father (Joh 8:41) but they recognized that Jesus was claiming a unique status when he claimed that he and the Father were one (10:30). They rightly understood that Jesus claimed to be God but misunderstood the claim as a breach of monotheism. Remember the context of the passage, this is the feast of dedication. The Seleusian ruler Antiochus IV claimed to be God, stopped Jewish worship in the temple and sacrificed a pig to Zeus-which led to the Maccabbean revolt, and eventually the reclaiming and rededication of the temple (of which this feast in John 10 commemorates). However, unlike Antiochus, “Jesus’ claim did not imply that he was a second God alongside, and in addition to, God the Father (ditheism), but that his deity was to be accommodated within the framework of Jewish monotheism in such a way that the one and only God affirmed in the Shema could be subsumed under the notion of Father, Son, and Spirit-three in one-being God.”(4) When Jesus was about to be stoned, he asked them for their judgment. They responded by saying that Jesus, a man, was making himself God (10:33). The irony is that John’s reader knows something these characters don’t-Jesus _is_ God (Joh 1:1, 18). “Jesus is ‘not a human making himself God, but God already made human,’ as the reader knows from 1:14.”(5) Now, Jesus employs a rabbinical argument of the lesser to the greater. If people could be called “gods” (θεοί) because God had placed them in roles of authority (Psa 82, Exo 7:1), if lessor mediators could be called “gods,” how could “they accuse him-the One and Only Son sent by the Father-of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God?”(6) Jesus pointed out that his works confirmed his identity. Jesus’ statement is not a claim that everyone can be called “god,” but that the scriptures supported those whom God had placed in the role of God, ie. designated roles of authority, to be called “god.” Nor is Jesus’ statement a denial that he is God, but that he is justified to be called the “Son of God” because of his ontological identity with the Father (10:30; which falls under the framework of monotheism) which his works bear testimony to. Jesus is saying, if lessor people can be called “god” (a greater title than “Son of God”) because of the position of authority they have been given, they can't object to him claiming to be the Son of God, which is not a title that makes him a second god in addition to God, though it does identifies him as Yahweh, it conforms to the Jewish sense of monotheism. If people don't believe that he’s the second person of Yahweh, look at his works, they confirm who he claimed to be. (1) Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus, 2nd Edition : A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020), 175. (2) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, Feast of Dedication. (3) Harris, John, Feast of Dedication. (4) Andreas J. Köstenberger, A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters : The Word, the Christ, the Son of God (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2009), ePub, Jewish Monotheism. (5) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 827. (6) Strauss, Four Portraits, 263.
Congratulations Seth !!! hello from greece...... for someone who speaks greek and has studied koine greek, everything in the bible is so simple, understandable, obvious and undeniable...... The word trinity is simply a theological term to describe what the scriptures reveal to us in thousands of verses........ Jesus is the one and only God who became man....... As for the nwt........I'm disgusted..... keep up the good work you are doing.....greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece .......
Good video, as the next JW this is helpful to me. But I wanted to question you on one thing. You asked the question can anyone but an infinite God pay for infinite sin, therefore needing God himself to come and sacrifice himself which is the common orthodox view? My answer is anything that God determines that we need to accept to cover our sin is sufficient I make the point in a very way, but God could tell us to go touch a fruitcake in the desert, and you are then forgiven because he has determined that is what is required and it would be so God himself does not need to die to cover the infinite assign that value to anything or anyone he wants to, so it is reasonable to say he could pick up or even at a perfect man or woman, or an animal, or a tree or an angel or anything else he wanted us to do to pay that scene because in the end, what is really happening is God is forgiving the sin. It’s not about what is exchanged for that forgiveness, it’s about God granting value, and giving us instruction to accept that process that he has designed So he could send the archangel down as a human and except this person and you will be safe Because in the end, it’s all about God it’s not actually literally there’s an infinite exchange for infinite sin. This is a theological doctorate, but I don’t see that clearly anywhere in the Bible.
Hello Seth. Thanks for the video. I have a NWT bible as a study bible and in it there is an other way to show Jesus is Jehovah. The Jews understood, that if you see Jehovah you will die. But in the bible, quit some people see Jehovah but do not die, for example Abraham (gen 18), Jacob Gen 32). Gideon (Judges 6) (and of course Adam and Eve, but that was in a non fallen world) These people talk to “the Angle of the Lord”. Later, when Jehovah himself talks to people he is referring back to these moments as they have seen him and talked to him. So the Angle of the Lord is brought in direct connection with Jehovah. If one believes in a trinity God this should not be a problem. The Angel of the Lord is Jesus: Jehovah Angel of the Lord the Spirit of Jehovah Father Son Holy Spirit So those people see and talked to Jesus, who is Jehovah but is not deadly, just as Jesus walked on earth in the New Testament.
Jehovah is another name for Trinity. Jehovah is another name for Father. Messenger of Jehovah is another name for Jesus. Spirit of Jehovah is another name for Holy Spirit.
There is a CLEAR distinction between the one who was, who is not, and is yet to be and the one who was, who is, and who shall be. The one who became dead fits the pattern with the beast who was, but is not, yet shall be Many people are misled by the one who was, who is not, and yet shall be. Many marvel after him and say "who is like this one? and who can do battle with him?" And yet their eyes remain blind. May the Eternal One who was, who is, and who shall be open the eyes and hearts of those seeking truth.
JW's seem to think that Christians believe in the Trinity because we want to. This is not the reason. If not for the Bible, we would not. There are seven facts that become clear when all of Scripture is accounted for, not just a few cherry picked, out-of-context verses. 1.There is One God. 2.The Father Is God. 3.The Son Is God. 4.The Spirit Is God. 5.The Father is not the Son. 6.The Son is not the Spirit. 7.The Spirit is not the Father. The reason for the Trinity doctrine is that Christians submit to the text. The term "Trinity" may not be in the Bible, but the idea is expressed within. The Church Fathers of the second century attempt to explain this relationship in their writings, but they do not do a great job without the language of the Trinity. The term "Trinity" is coined to give a word for the relationship of the Godhead, a relationship we cannot fully comprehend. In the Church, ontology developed to define the relationship further, with the terms "person" and "hypostasis". This attempts to explain what the Three are. Not three beings, but One Being. Not three gods, but One God. And yet, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. But They Are all God in full. Desiring ease, some people want to confine God to their comprehension, hence modalism, tritheism, partialism, and unitarianism. They say that the Trinity is impossible, that God becoming human and dying is impossible, thus they deny the Greatness of YHWH's boundless Power, His ability to Be any way He chooses. To deny the Greatness of the Lord for your own ease of comprehension is prideful. We are human. Just as Adam ate the fruit, so to would any of us. In knowing good and evil, the standard of God is upon us. We are damned. But YHWH made a way. He came down as man, lived, taught, and suffered a most unjust, humiliating and torturous death to pay the price of our sins. The Good Shepherd resurrected, that we would have hope beyond the grave. He ascended and sent the Spirit to us, that we may be sanctified by His redeeming work. The Son Will return. All we need do, is place our trust in His redeeming sacrifice, accept the Gift freely given. YHWH Saves.
@@djparsons7363 1. Will Durant was an Atheist. Lol. 05/06/2015 America Magazine entitled article: An Examined Life, here are his own words: ““I am prepared to have you put me down as an atheist, since I have reluctantly abandoned belief in a personal and loving God. But I am loathe to leave the word God out of my life and creed.”, adding that he was “a Christian in the literal and difficult sense of sincerely admiring the personality of Christ and making a persistent effort to behave like a Christian.” So not sure that would be one u would want to quote as an expert. It’s like The JW Religion quoting Johannes Greber as an authority for their translation of John 1:1 b/c he was a former Catholic Priest, only to find out he was a Spiritist & he believed the spirits spoke w/ him to change that passage. 2. Do u realize that quote from The Dictionary from Religious Knowledge by Lyman Abbot (1875) was grossly misquoted by many non-Trinitarians from Charles T Russell, Henry Tabor, Larry Yates, Muslims, Christadelphians, etc.? Yeah, that’s not the full quote; they cherry picked & published only the partial of the full statement, giving the appearance this scholarly book agreed w their position. This is the first part of Abbot’s quote: “In the first ages of the Christian Church the followers of Christ were so much engaged in controversy with the Gentile world on the one hand, and with the Jewish world on the other, that they gave very little time or thought to the attempt to frame their faith into one consistent and harmonious system. It is certain, however, that from the apostolic times they paid worship to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, addressed to them their prayers, and included them in their doxologies.” The non-Trinitarians skipped that, & partially quoted the 2nd portion which stated: “It was not till the beginning of the fourth century that the question began to be elaborately discussed how this practice, and the experience out of which it sprung, should be formed into a doctrine, and reconciled with the belief of the Church in one God. Out of the endeavor to solve this problem sprang the doctrine of the Trinity. Precisely what the doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves.” They skewed his complete quote by focusing on this portion, & teaching it as a Bible scholar disagreed with the notion of The Trinity. These same ones completely ignored Abbot’s conclusion which stated: “It is not possible for the human intellect to comprehend fully the divine nature. The Bible represents God to us as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It represents them as equally entitled to our highest reverence, affection, and allegiance. It attributes to all the same divine qualities. It even uses these titles at times interchangeably. We are to accept reverently the teaching of the Scripture in respect to their relation to us, and to pay them equal honor, and render to them equal obedience, while we leave the relation which they sustain to each other and in the eternal Godhead, among the unsolved and insoluble mysteries of the divine being-the hidden things which belong unto God.” He further stated that b/c traces of the Trinity can be found in other heathen nations like Hindooism, Persian, Egyptian, Roman, Indian, Japanese, & Greek mythologies, both TRINITARIANS AND THEIR OPPONENTS DERIVE two different conclusions. The one sees in it an evidence that God has “diffused and perpetuated the evidence of this doctrine throughout the successive periods of time,” while THEIR OPPONENTS conclude that it is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith. THAT’s the full context of that dictionary, & quite frankly, WTBTS has a habit of either partially or completely misquoting sources. My best advice to u, and I say this is a former born in JW Elder, when u see a quote from the organization in any publications & u see either “…” or just a blanket statement, go to a library, find the source & read for urself. That’s called misrepresentation, & it would behoove u to do research outside what the Org provides, or see the source itself. There’s a high chance u would be absolutely shocked at how many misquotes we were given.
@@djparsons7363 Exactly which pagan source was it adopted from? Is it the trimurti? Which is later than the Trinity and is more like modalism? Is it a generic pagan triad, which more resembles tritheism or arianism? Is it the three pure ones? From China, far removed from where the Trinity was first described and more like modalism? Was it the neoplatonic triad? Another later development more like arianism?(Since neither the world spirit nor the demiurge are fully divine) Exactly where did Christians take the Trinity from? And exactly why did the pre-Nicene Church Fathers, who so opposed paganism, decide to adopt a supposedly pagan idea?
"4 For whatsoever is born of Elohiym overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Yahusha is the Son of Elohiym?" Yochanon Ri'shon (1 John) 5:4-5
At Matthew 3:17 it states that at jesus's baptism he came up from the water and then the heavens opened and a voice from the heavens said " this is my son, the beloved, whom i have approved" 🤔
@@theologywithsethAnd why would God from heaven “approve” a distinct person who is the same being than Himself? Didn’t Jesus know that already as He is One with the Father. It couldn’t have been for show, as besides John the Baptist (the Bible doesn’t even explicitly say if John perceived this was happening) - nobody was witnessing this!
@@GsWitnessthe father simply a proved him because he was being baptized and living out the perfect life that Jesus set out for us. The son only did the what was from the father’s will on earth in order to bring him glory! What great diligence and discipline our savior has!
@@rileyGTG I totally agree - my point is: all this display is very odd (at best) if Jesus were a person of the “triune” God. If we accept Jesus as an individual person and being, distinct from the person/being of God the Father, Him(Jesus) being approved as the Son of God, by the Father who is “the only true God” (John 17:3) while not sharing the same essence but being 2 distinct/separate beings makes much more sense - wouldn’t you agree? Otherwise we have a perfect being (God the Father) approving his own perfect being (the Son) through the same perfect being (the Holy Spirit coming down as a dove) - I find it very strange/absurd that a perfect almighty being would approve Himself through Himself! That this is a seriously broad accepted Theology is beyond me!
@@GsWitness yeah so Jesus isn’t an “individual being”, he is a distinct hypostasis that is eternally begotten of the father. And no one disagrees that the father is the only true god. The reason Jesus is god is because he partakes in the father’s essence; same with the Holy Spirit. Even the father calls Jesus god in hebrews 1:8 ”But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. And the fact that Jesus is worshiped by many people throughout the New Testament, ex: Thomas ”Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”“ John 20:28-29 And them being one being is clearly affirmed throughout all of John, like how the son has everything the father has, and how the father created everything through the son and in the spirit. How genesis says let US make man kind in our image; the fact that Isaiah calls the son of god the “arm” of god (referring to the father”, John 10, 1 John 5:7, etc. ”For there are three that bear witness in heavens: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one…. I John 5:7 NKJV “Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord! Awake as in the ancient days, In the generations of old. Are You not the arm that cut Rahab apart, And wounded the serpent? Are You not the One who dried up the sea, The waters of the great deep; That made the depths of the sea a road For the redeemed to cross over?” Isaiah 51:9-10 NKJV The fact the whole New Testament affirms Jesus is equal to god and in the “form of god”, that god manifested in flesh. ”Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.“ Philippians 2:5-8 NKJV ”And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.“ I Timothy 3:16 NKJV ”Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.“ John 5:18 NKJV And if you want to know how the Holy Spirit is god, this is a good article to consider reading! www.str.org/w/the-holy-spirit-is-god
I do not understand how the trinity works at all, but I do believe that Yeshuah is out God almighty has been revered from ancient times under different titles and in His coming He fulfilled every prophecy given to the point. In Isaiah even says that we are bought with His blood well only one being shed blood for us
@13:55 Hebrews 1 "You are my son; today I have become your father" is rather interesting because it implies an adoption, it implies there was a time before Jesus became the Son of God and that God wasn't always a Trinity. It definitely does away with God's immutability because God informs the angels that He wasn't always a father. I never realized how problematic these verses are.
Sorry, but you are ignorant of the fact that Heb 1 is dealing with the two natures of Christ. He is the divine, eternal Son in Heb 1:2, and the Messianic, Davidic son in v. 5. "You are my son, today I have fathered you," is a coronation speech from Psalm 2:7 in which God declares that the Davidic heir has become his "son," ie is now the king of his people. When the eternal Son became human, he was heir to the Davidic throne. He received his coronation when he suffered upon the cross and then was exalted to the right hand of God to reign as the Davidic ruler. If you did just a little research and tried reading a commentary on Hebrews, you would have known this.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Maybe I just don't find the commentary very credible. Psalm 2:7 is personal, the quoted person declares that God calls him his Son. Let that sink in for a while, because if that person was Jesus then he was recorded in a psalm from the time of king David centuries before he incarnated.
Psalm 2:7 is originally about Solomon but was a coronation Psalm to all subsequent Davidic kings. The king of Israel was called, "God's son." Jesus is the King of Israel par excellence, and thus, as the Messiah is "God's son" par excellence. This doesn't affect the Trinity. The second person of the triune God was eternally the Son of God. Your problem is that you don't comprehend that "son of God" can be used in different contexts.
It's just a bad translation. Original says "You are my Son; today I have begotten you", with "begotten" meaning being appointed for a task, as Paul says in Acts 13:33
I wrote this in my Bible a few weeks ago Jesus is God! Use scripture to interpret scripture. Isaiah 14:4, 44:6, and 48:12 all state that God is the first and the last Revelation 1:17-18, 2:8 state Jesus is the same, and the one who died and is alive. If Jesus is not God, then He cannot claim that He is the first and the last. If God is not Jesus, then He cannot claim that He died.
In relation to Hebrews 1:5, if you read the passage immediately preceding, it says: "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs". Then comes the passage you mention that starts with: "For example to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?...". How can Jesus "become better than the angels" in the sense that he has "inherited a name more excellent than theirs" if he was not an angel to begin with? Taken in context, Hebrews 1:5 gives an example of this exalted status of Jesus by saying "For example to which one of the angles [implying Jesus is one] has God did God every say...". So when read in context, it does not seem to me that it is a rethorical question, but rather a continuation of the previous sentence that states that Jesus became greater than the angels...
Hebrews takes up the theme of the superiority of Christ. In vv. 1-2 we have the eschatological revelation of God found in the person of the Son. The eschaton anticipates the Davidic King-Messiah, and the writer announces that the Son is the one whom the Father “has appointed heir of all things.” This is a citation from Psalm 2:7, which is an enthronement speech of the Davidic King-Messiah, to whom God promises to give the heathen to him as an inheritance (ie. he will rule over all). So this Son is human, yet in the very next clause the writer says, “through whom also he created the world,” demonstrating that this Son is also the pre-existent eternal Son who made everything in the first place. In v. 3 the writer says that the Son is “the radiance of the glory of God,” ie, the visible manifestation of God. He is also the “the exact imprint of his (God the Father’s) nature,” ie, everything that God the Father is by nature, the Son is. Finally, the writer says that the Son “upholds all things by the word of his power,” ie, he sustains all things while he himself is sustained by no one. Then the writer says, “After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” The Son is not only the Davidic King-Messiah of Psalm 2, he is also the High Priestly-King of Psalm 110. In v. 4 the writer tells us that the Son is superior to angels (ie. he isn’t an angel, let alone Michael), having received a name (or reputation) so much greater than theirs. This echoes the name Jehovah sought to make for himself with the redemption of Israel from Egypt. The Son received the same reputation for his redemption of Christians. In v. 5 the writer again cites the enthronement speech of the Davidic King from Psalm 2: “You are my son …,” rhetorically asking, did he ever say this to an angel? The answer is no, this was only said to humans-thus, Jesus is both human and God. In v. 6 the writer uses the word “firstborn” saying, “when he again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: And let all God's angels worship him” (NWT 1970 ed.). _The Watchtower_ May 15, 1954 pp. 317-319 rightly recognizes that this is a citation from Psalm 97:7 and Deu 32:43. Psalm 97 is the enthronement of Jehovah as King of Israel. Jesus is the “firstborn” of Psalm 89:27, the son of David who is given the position as “the highest of the kings of the earth.” (NWT) By citing Psalm 97 and applying it to Jesus, the writer to the Hebrews is saying that Jesus is Jehovah, the “firstborn” in rank who is enthroned as the King of Israel and as King of kings (Rev 19:16). In Deu 32, Jehovah is presented as the warrior king. He is the “I AM” (v. 39 LXX), the same whom Jesus claimed to be in John 8:58. He is the one who has the power to kill and give life, just as Jesus claimed in John 5:21. He is the one whom no one can deliver out of his hand, just as Jesus claimed in John 10:28. _The Watchtower_ May 15, 1954 pp. 317-319 again rightly points out that in “the Septuagint Version of Deuteronomy 32:43, the opening part of which reads: “Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him.” Hebrews is consistent with Colossians in presenting “firstborn” as a position of rank, not chronology. Furthermore, Hebrews 1:6 is even more emphatic in is citation of Psalm 97:7 and Deu 32:43 that “firstborn” is a title of rank that is given to Jehovah, the enthroned King of Israel-who is identified as Jesus. In v. 7 the writer contrasts the transitoriness of angels in contrast to the eternality of the Son (see especially v. 12). In vv. 8-9 the writer shows the contrast of the Son to angels. Angels are servants, but the Son is God and King. In vv. 10-12 the writer cites a Jehovah passage (psalm 102:25-27) and says that the Son is the Jehovah who created all things. Creation is finite but the Son is eternal. In vv. 13-14 the writer again contrasts the Son to angels. He never told an angel to sit at his right hand to rule with him, that privilege is reserved exclusively for the divine/human Son. The Son is Lord, angels are servants. Vv. 2:1-4 is a warning against rejecting the salvation that has been offered. In vv. 2:5, the writer says, “For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.” (ESV). Well if God the Father didn’t put an angel in charge, who did he put in charge? A human! The _man,_ Jesus the son of David. In vv. 6-9 we are told of Jesus' descent, though God by nature, he _was_ made lower than angels but is now crowned with glory and honor (ie. is greater than angels) because he suffered death for all people, and all things have been made subject to him. But if God the Father didn’t subject the world to angels, but he subjected it to Jesus, then can Jesus be an angel? No! That’s the whole point the writer is making-Jesus is God and human, but he is not an angel. V. 16 says that Jesus’ concern was not for angels but for the descendants of Abraham (ie. humans), which is why God the Son became a human, not an angel. And because God the Son became human, he can sympathize with the frailty of humans and can be the perfect high priest who can intercede on our behalf with God. Hebrews 1-2 is emphatic that Jesus is not an angel, let alone Michael the archangel.
Then why wouldn’t Michael rebuke Satan when arguing over the body of Moses when Jesus never hesitates to rebuke him? And if not rhetorical, where else in the Bible does God exalt an angel?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 thank you for your detailed answer. One question, how do you explain Hebrews 1:9 where it says “your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions”? How could the Angels be Jesus’ “companions” if Jesus is God?
0:50 isn’t Michael the commander of heaven’s army? And according to psalm 80, the commander of heaven’s army is the Lord. Plus I’m pretty sure in the book of Joshua, the commander is the angel of the Lord, but the angel of The Lord is the Lord himself… Maybe Michael is an archetype or maybe it’s another name given to the commander of heaven’s army as a prophetical name, just like … if I remember correctly, Emmanuel is the prophetical name of the messiah…
Thank you for your vídeo. But I must say that there's a very common confucionismo made by religious people who triy to protected the false idea about a triune god. The Bible is absolutely clear for Hebrews, not for western guys like us So, it's very important to learn how Hebrews think about many things for a better understanding. The Creator is, and we finish it saying "spirit" (for the lack of the words). This spirit created everything. This same spirit is HOLY. This same spirit came to a certain woman (remember Gn 6?) and provoke a man existence... Só, a man started to exist. Therefore, this man is called "son of the spirit that created everything and is HOLY. And, just like any creature, the man created in thi process, is the father in a new version. In this case, a spirit tha now has a body. This spirit would lose that body to be spread and then has bodies. I am trying to make you have a different point of view... ...so you can read the Bible without the doctrines from the religious system.
Great question. That's what people who teach the trinity unfortunately miss... the fact there are many "gods", yet one Almighty God. The scriptures show this over and over again... Here's an example: 1cor8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; 6yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. See the distinction Paul makes here between the false gods "called" gods, and the other real gods, ie the angels, Jesus, Satan etc. Then he shows who is the Supreme God, the one we are to worship- the Father. Jesus told us to worship his God, the Father. Most ignore that and worship the son. Sadly, as Jesus always directed worship to his God and Father.
@@FrankLee-gq8yc 1 Corinthians 8:6 wouldn’t that state you have two Gods and two Lords for both are perfect and both are present at the beginning as stated in John1:1 plus both are posted as being the truth?
@agalaxychild2 Exactly. Paul here is differentiating between false gods, other gods (ie angels etc) and the only true God, the Father. Jehovah is the Father. (Isa64:8) He rightfully expects exclusive worship. Ex20:2 (ASV) I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me This includes good gods, like Jesus, like the angels. Jehovah's Witnesses worship only Jehovah God, the Father. That's what Jesus said Christians who know the God they worship would do Joh4:21-24
The problem with the Trinity is that it is not Biblical, no matter how hard you try to read it in. Because an example: *1 Corinthians 8:4-6* Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually *to us one God, the Father,* from whom all things are and we for him; Than you have a clear link of the Father, who seeks worship and the Holy Spirit in. *John 4:23, 24.* But according to the Trinity this is not supposed to work, because the Father is not to be equated with the Spirit. "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers *will worship the Father* with spirit and truth, for indeed, the *Father is looking* for ones like these *to worship him.* 24 *God is a Spirit,* and those *worshipping him* must worship with spirit and truth.” Also the Son has become the Spirit as it says in *1 Corinthians 15:45.* Than for example on the origin of Jesus, which was already so nicely presented in *John 1* context. *Psalm 110:3* Wycliffe (here is what it says about Christ's beginnings, and it does not include praying to or worshipping the saints): The beginning is with thee in the day of thy virtue, in the brightnesses of saints; I begat thee of the womb, before the day star. (From the beginning, thy strength was with thee, and from that day thou hast shone in the brightness of the saints; yea, I begat thee from the womb, before the day star. But I believe that its clear that Christ is the beginning of God's Creation. Regarding Lets all of God's angels worship/do obeisance to him? *Hebrews 1:5-6* How about *Mathew **4:10* where its written, "For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” And how can you say that Christ's name is above God's name? If *1. Corinthians 15:27* says *For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But* when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that *this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.* How can you love God with whole mind and in all strength and say that his name is less, than that of Jesus? it says that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. Also the name Jesus points to Tetragrammaton regarding salvation. I believe the Apostle Paul warns of assuming God's authority over ones own will. In *2 Thessalonians 2.* That's why I am against the wide current, in place of travel security, for example flying. I believe the prayer at least(not to Jesus) is in place so as to not end with *Jeremiah 17:5.* but its better to stay on the ground, if one doesn't have to of course. "This is what Jehovah says: “Cursed is the man who puts his trust in mere humans, Who relies on human power, And whose heart turns away from Jehovah."
In 1Cor 8:6, Paul takes the Shema from the LXX (the same that Jesus quoted from in Mark 12:29) and applies it to BOTH the Father and the Son. The Shema, from Deuteronomy 6:4 LXX is, Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεός), the Lord (κύριος) is one.’ In 1Corinthians 8:6, Paul Christianizes the Jewish Shema by glossing the title “God” (θεός) to the Father and Lord (κύριος) to the Son. As David Garland says, “The creedal statement καὶ ὅτι οὐδεὶς θεὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς (kai hoti oudeis theos ei mē heis, that no God [exists] except one) echoes the basic Jewish confession in the Shema (Deut. 6:4; 4:35, 39; Isa. 44:8; 45:5).... The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong…. Paul creatively christianizes the foundational Jewish monotheistic confession: ‘The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). He glosses the reference to Lord and God in that confession so that ‘God’ refers to the Father and ‘the Lord’ refers to Christ.”[1] And as Gordon Fee says, “Although Paul does not here call Christ God, the formula is so constructed that only the most obdurate would deny its Trinitarian implications. In the same breath that he can assert that there is only one God, he equally asserts that the designation ‘Lord,’ which in the Greek OT was used to replace the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and thus belongs singularly to the one God, is the proper designation of the divine Son.” JWs make several errors: 1) they ignore the context, 2) they ignore the fact that Paul is citing the Shema and Christianizing it, 3) they ignore the fact that Kurios is used for the tetragrammaton, and 4) they are inconsistent. If Jesus can’t be God because Paul says that the Father is the Christian God, then the Father can’t be Kurios because Paul says Jesus is the Christian Kurios. Which would mean that the Father is a different God than the OT God. When read in context, this passage is a powerful proclamation that Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God. [1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6. [2] Gordon D. Fee, The First Epistle to the Corinthians, Revised (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2014), ePub, 8:6
Yes, Peter did proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God... because he wasn't a polytheist like JWs-he didn't believe that Jesus was a distinct God from the Father. But that didn't prevent him from calling Jesus, "OUR God" in 2 Peter 1:1. The title “Son of God” was used in a variety of ways in both the Bible and the Greco-Roman world. Angels are called “sons of God” (Job 1:6) and Adam is called “son of God” (Luk 3:38) because they were created. The nation of Israel is called God’s firstborn son (Exo 4:22-23) and Christian’s are called “sons of God” (Rom 8:14) because of redemption. Legendary heroes, kings, philosophers, and miracle workers were sometimes referred to as sons of God.[1] The title “Son of God” does not mean the same thing in every context but JW’s willfully ignore this and fail to distinguish them. Jesus is the μονογενὴς υἱός (the only unique Son). Jesus is unique because he is neither created (like angels) nor redeemed (like Christians)-he is the uncreated creator (Heb 1:10-12) who himself is the redeemer (Gal 3:13). Rather, Jesus is unique because he is the Son of God by nature (ie. he is God). Carson says, “Jesus is not the Son of God by virtue of being the ultimate Israel, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being the Messiah, the ultimate Davidic king, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being a perfect human being. Rather, he is the Son of God from eternity, simultaneously distinguishable from his heavenly Father yet one with him”[2] The Jews claimed to be sons of God (John 8:41), yet they understood that Jesus claimed a unique status as the Son of God-equality with God (John 5:18). His equality does not mean he is a separate god but shares in the identity of the one God-having the same nature. The Father/Son language is anthropomorphic language to differentiate persons within the Godhead and to communicate how the Godhead interacts with itself. In the ancient near East (ANE) brother gods were rivals (cf. Egyptian gods Osiris and Set), so how could one send the other? Male/female or husband/wife gods always involved a sexual aspect to the relationship (cf. Egyptian gods Geb and Nut). Not to mention they were often dualistic. A Father/Son relationship tells us that they are equal as to nature, it is a loving but non-sexual relationship, honoring one is to honor the other. A son in the ANE had the same authority as the Father, could rule as co-regent, was owner of everything that was the fathers. A Father/Son relationship is the perfect way to communicate the relationship between the Father and Jesus. It also communicates the maxim we know “Like father, like son.” Jesus' imitation of the Father is absolute-EVERYTHING that the Father does, he does (John 5:19). No created creature could make that claim. The title “Son of God” must be read in context since it is used in a variety of ways. The title applied to Jesus is used to differentiate his person from the Father while at the same time used to communicate that he possesses the same nature as the Father-placing him within the identity of the one God (ie. Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God). [1] Mark L. Strauss, Mark : Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2014), ePub, ch. 1. [2] D.A. Carson, Jesus the Son of God : A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012), ePub, ch. 1.
@@theologywithseth wrong Luke 11:1-4 (NIV). Jesus said “He said to them, 'When you pray, say: Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come Give us each day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. The Bible tells you to pray to God the father only. Because God is the only true God. Jesus said my father is greater than I and greater than all.
Jesus also said that people could pray to him (John 14:14). Why? Because he is God, the second person of the triune God. While there are no examples of people praying to the Holy Spirit, logic tells us that it is permissible since he is a person of the triune God.
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The last part of this video JW believe a perfect person Adam sinned and we needed a perfect person Jesus to pay a ransom for our forgiveness But we still have to work to gain or show our faith The idea of infinite holiness and infinite sins is new to me As a JW
Hi @FirstGenWealth, thank you for sharing your perspective with me. That surprises me that the idea of infinite holiness isn't emphasized in JW theology. I get that doctrine from many places in Scripture, but especially Isaiah 6:3 where it refers to God as "Holy, Holy, Holy". No other attribute of God is repeated in a threefold manner like that. That's basically the Jews' way of saying that this attribute is ultimate and worthy to be emphasized to the highest degree. God is unfathomably holy- so much so that were it not for His mercy, we would be instantly annihilated in His presence. That's why it takes a sacrifice of infinite worth to appease His wrath.
@@theologywithseth JW believes God is holy I meant the idea of putting the 2 together Infinitely holy thus infinitely sin They do say no human can pay for our sins because all humans come from adam thus we r all imperfect just like Adam became after sinning Now to get forgiveness a sacrifice was required and only a perfect person can be able to pay it thus Jesus who was perfect is the only person or creature who could pay the price I don’t know if I’m making sense Since u said only God can pay for infinity sin JW say a perfect person was needed to pay Because Adam was perfect before sinning
Jehovah's witnesses that are considered to be inactive are still considered as saved members of their congregation. They are not told that they must continue to do anything for you their salvation to remain valid. All that happens is the elders will encourage them to go back to the congregation and put in service.
@@FirstGenWealth What's interesting is that in the book of Ezekiel Jehovah makes no distinction between the perfect or sinful condition of a man when he says that no man can stand in place for the sins committee by another.
@@jordanvseverybody7346 this is wrong elder visit, they tell the inactive person come back to Jah, Aka back to ur salvation You are a dead man walking if u become inactive JW recent new light saying people who are inactive or disfellowshipped can come back to Jah at the last minute and still be saved key points Going back if u remain inactive, you dead the elders prefer u to remain inactive but technically still a member Because the moment u get ur act straight and join a church then u become double dead meaning even the small chance of coming back is gone because u have become an apostate Like all of us here
In 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 it mentions there is “no God but one” “so called Gods” “one God the father” “one lord Jesus Christ” what is your understanding of these texts that refutes the Trinity doctrine? Can also reference (Psalm 82:1) (Psalm 82:6) (John 10:34,35)
Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, *we know* that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Cor. 8:4-6 ESV) JWs seem to be utterly blinded by their father the Devil as to what this passage is saying, so let me s-l-o-w-l-y walk through it. Paul says, WE (Christians) know that an idol (ie, gods that are represented by an image) has no real existence. Why are false gods not real? Because WE (Christians) know that “there is NO God except one.” Now, this couldn’t be more clear but for some reason Paul’s language is confusing for simple JWs. Paul is saying that there is only one God, not lots of gods like pagan JWs claim. So, Christians can eat meat offered to the pagan god Artemis because she isn’t real. Even though there are many “so called” gods like Artemis, she isn’t a real God. Yes, there were many gods worshiped in Corinth, like Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, etc., but unlike pagan JWs, Christians don’t believe they were real gods. Christians believe “there is no God but one.” Paul takes the Greek Shema (Deu 6:4) Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεὸς), the Lord (κύριος) is one, and glosses the title “God” (θεὸς) to the Father and “Lord” (κύριος) to the Son, Christinizing the Shema by including Jesus within the identity of the one Lord God.[1] Paul tells us at the very beginning that “there is no God but one,” yet you claim that Paul believed there were multiple gods. Clearly, you aren't born-again. You aren't a child of God but a child of the Devil who misrepresents the Bible, Paul, and Trinitarians, because dishonesty is part of your nature. [1] See David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
26:46 honestly you hit it right on the head. Its been a hot second since ive done any trinity deep dive, and from the first second of this video, i remembered that basically all the trinity is, is a way for apologists to make sense of the contradictions. And dont worry, i know that it should be called the new world mistranslation. When i read the bible cover to cover it was my adventist mothers reina valera (dads the jw) All the verses you used in this video really did remind me of those crucial contradtictions between what yaweh and jesus say lol. Also im not sure how relevant this is but since it is a trinity, i believe that within the context of the bible, the holy spirit and god are one, but jesus is not, i had a pretty long conversation with some orthodox catholics a year ago about that, it was fascinating. Also even if im not religious, anything that helps any jw stop being a jw is a win in my book, So thanks.
John 1.1. The argument for the "a god" translation is that in this sentence construct the anarthrous predicate nominative lacks the article so is describing the Word, what the Word is, not identifying him, who the Word is. The translation "the Word was God" is a definite translation but there is no basis for this. The anarthrous predicate theos of John 1 1c is not definite. It is here, at John 1.1c, a 'what' word not a 'who' word. It is being used as a common noun rather than being specific(not ho theos). This is why some translate "the Word was divine." See the translations by James Moffatt or Edgar Goodspeed as examples of translators who opted for this. This translation, though it can be disagreed with, as there existed a Greek word meaning "divine", at least indicates that certain scholars are trying to show that John did not mean the logos "was God", that John was saying SOMETHING ELSE. Bible scholar and translator William Barclay wrote that this, the "was God" translaton, is 'more' than John meant. John Mckenzie in his Bible Dictionary says John 1.1c "should rigorously be translated, and the Logos was a divine being." This is an indefinite translation as the NWT's is. As the English word "God" is a proper noun it is definite and so it is incorrect to translate the anarthrous theos *in this sentence construct* as if it is. As if it is ho theos. See Harners 1975 article in the JBL. Neither is the indefinite rendering polytheistic as a Jewish writer at this time, 1st century CE, such as John, could describe a being not ho theos but as theos and not denote polytheism if that theos is not a rival to or independent of the one true theos. (John says who the one true God is at 17.3. The Father). John distinguishes the Word of 1.1c from ho theos, the god, "God" of 1.1b in terms of theos. The Translator's NT says this is significant and gives the theos of 1.1c adjectival qualities. It hence does not translate the third clause "was God" but "shared his nature". This is not strictly a translation but an interpretative one but it will show you that "was God" does not accurately say what John wrote in his third clause. The New American Bible Study Edition in a note to John 1.1c correctly says that the anarthrous theos here is one of predication not identification. The English proper noun "God" is one of identification. It is an erroneous translation. It does not distingiush the Word from the theos, ho theos, he was "with"(Greek pros). John wrote that the Word was with ho theos, the god, "God" and then to go on to translate theos of 1.1c as "God" hides this distinction John himself makes and in fact smacks of Sabellianism. So what options in translation are there? Translating it with a proper noun(specific) is, from the above, wrong. It is inaccurate. But what is the difference between an adjective(ie such as "divine")and an indefinite (" a god") translation really? To illustrate. What is the difference between "I am human" where "human" is an adjective and "I am a human being" which is an indefinite noun phrase? If I have the qualities of the class "human" that would make me a member of the class human, a human. If I am a human I would have the qualities of the human class, be human. So back to John. John was putting the Word or Logos in the *class* theos, a member of that class or category, not identifying him as ho theos("God"). The NWT is perfectly correct to translate theos indefinitely at John 1.1c. It is the definite translations of theos in 1.1c which are erroneous and why others have given interpretative translations instead. See New English Bible/Revised English Bible, Good New Bible as examples of this approach, an approach that acknowledges John did not write "was God" at this place. (But they still wish it to accord with the man made post-NT Trinity doctrine) Here is a little grammatical exercise for all you Trinitarians reading this. Substitute "the Logos"(an individual being) in John 1.1 by using "ho anthropos" instead which is the Greek word(in the nominative case) for "the man". Then translate all three clauses. I am positive you would translate the predicate anthropos("man")in the third clause indefinitely as "a man" not "the man". ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ ἄνθρωπος καὶ ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ ἄνθρωπος A word-for-word translation is: In beginning was the man and the man was with the god and god was the man A full translation would be: In the beginning was the man and the man was with God and the man was a god. Not In the beginning was the man and the man was with God and the man was God ( This is incorrect. The correct translation of the 3rd clause would be, "and the man was a god." You have translated the anarthrous θεὸς as definite. There is no basis for this. No one would translate "the man was God"! The "a god" is correct because the 2nd clause distinguishes the man from the God he was with, by the occurence of πρὸς. Hence, to translate "and the man was God," you lose that distinction that is there in the Greek. The anarthrous θεὸς in the predicate of the 3rd clause is not saying who the man was but *what* the man was. As the word "God" is a 'who' word, being in English, a proper noun that would identify the man as the same God he is distinguished from! Anyone not preconditioned by the Trinitarian translation of John 1.1 would never translate it, my Greek sentence, as you have done. And it is this, your adherence to Trinitarianism, apparently, that is holding you back from translating my Greek correctly. If you did translate it correctly, you would have demonstrated that John 1.1c *can* be translated, "and the Word was a god." That is the point of my exercise with my analogous Greek sentence. You can either translate it correctly or, because of not wanting to admit that John 1.1c can be rendered how the NWT and others have translated it, translate it incorrectly. The translation "and the man was a god" is a literal translation.) No one would translate it like this as no man is "God" but a man can be "a god". See Ps.82.5; John 10.33. Of course, the man is said to be "with God" and no one reading this would think that the man and God are not different beings but the man was not the God he was with. Likewise in John 1.1b, and v.2 where it is repeated, the Logos was "with God". Contextually and grammatically the best and simplest way to translate John 1.1c is "and the Word was a god." Some trinitarians will try to say theos in 1.1c is purely "qualitative". But at the same time they claim the Word has the qualities of ho theos, of THE God. So they still consider here theos is definite which they deny! There is no such thing in the Greek as a qualitative noun that is also a concrete noun as theos is. There are abstract nouns but they are not definite and hence are not capitalised when translated into English. See 1 John 4.8 where "God is love." So if John was using theos in 1.1c qualitatively one would still translate as "a god" because a being with the qualities of theos, not ho theos, would have the qualities of a member of that class and those qualities naturally flow from the indefinite rendering into English as "a god" just as they would do when reading of a being who is said to be "a man." A reader would know all the qualities, human qualities, that a being that was "a man" would have. Likewise with the Logos or Word being theos(not ho theos).
First, you, clearly, didn't read Philip Harner's article in JBL, since he says that "a god" is wrong. Second, "king" is a proper noun. Why does the NWT provide a qualitative translation in John 1:49??? Third, how should this sentence be translated: θεὸς γάρ ἐστιν ὁ ἐνεργῶν ἐν ὑμῖν καὶ τὸ θέλειν καὶ τὸ ἐνεργεῖν ὑπὲρ τῆς εὐδοκίας? θεος is an anarthrous predicate nominative, just like John 1:1. “John’s Gospel opens with the majestic words, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…’ John asserts, in a striking exclamation point, that the Word was himself God. The reader is left to infer that there are two referents of θεός, God (the Father; John 1:14) and the Word (Jesus; John 1:17). John’s striking opening assertion sets up the question of Jesus’s identity that will dominate the rest of the entire Gospel, ultimately leading to Jesus’s crucifixion: the deity of Christ. In the original historical context, Jesus faces escalating opposition from the Jewish leaders who consider his claim blasphemy (5:17-18; 8:58-59; 10:30-33). Indeed, at Jesus’s trial, they tell Pilate the Roman governor, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He made Himself the Son of God’ (John 19:7). In our day, too, there are those who dispute Jesus’s claim to deity, not least by challenging the conventional understanding of John 1:1, and here in particular the third phrase, ‘the Word was God’ (θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος). In part, the reason for this is that the word order is reversed, with the predicate nominative (θεός) preceding the subject (ὁ λόγος). Is it legitimate to infer from the lack of article in front of θεός that ‘God’ is indefinite and should be rendered ‘a god’? The answer is a firm ‘no.’ According to Greek syntax, it is common for a definite nominative predicate noun preceding a finite verb to be without the article. In this way, the subject (articular) is distinguished from the predicate nominative (anarthrous, i.e., without the article), yet without indicating that the latter is indefinite (as in ‘a god’). Of course, Jesus’s deity does not rest on this one verse (see, e.g., John 20:28), but a sufficient knowledge of Greek syntax saves the reader from drawing the wrong conclusion.”[1] [1] Andreas J Köstenberger, Benjamin L Merkle, and Robert L Plummer, Going Deeper with New Testament Greek : An Intermediate Study of the Grammar and Syntax of the New Testament (Nashville, Tennessee: B & H Academic, 2020), 51-52.
I've read them. Neither shows that Jesus is not God. I suppose if we ignore the context we can make it say what JWs claim, but we would have to disregard what Paul was saying. Want to look at the texts?
There is not a single Christian denomination that doesnt believe in the Trinity, because if you don't believe in the trinity, you're not a Christian. Now to your other point Colossians 1:15 proves that Jesus IS God. It literally says "He is the image of the invisible God." The "Firstborn of all creation" part does not literally mean "born first". To be the firstborn in ancient culture meant you had the complete inheritance rights. It was more of a title than a description of birth order. 1 Corinthians 15 is not saying what you think it is saying. It specifies that Jesus is delivering the Kingdom to God the Father, which is completely coherent within trinitarian theology. The Father and the Son are one being, but different persons. They can, and do interact with one another.
4:50 "does that make sense?" No, sorry. "Not as I will, but as you will"... is that an option for the "one God"? You believe these seperate "personages" have seperate "wills", or desires? Sounds like seperate beings to me.
It just sounds like separate Persons to me. Now, if the Bible taught that there were multiple Gods, then you could certainly make your case. However, the Bible teaches that there is only one true God. Therefore, we have no choice but to acknowledge that this one true God must exist in three distinct Persons, which is exactly what I outlined in the video.
@theologywithseth does it though? Or is it stating there is one God we are to WORSHIP? 1Cor8:6 "yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him." Paul says this right after saying there are many "...so-called gods whether in heaven or upon earth,-" yes, many fake gods, but also "As indeed there are gods many and lords many"... If there are many gods and lords, this harmonizes with 2cor4:4, where the "god of this age", Satan, is blinding most minds. When Jesus categorically told that god, satan, in Luke4:8, "...It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Who was he referring to? Who is the God of Jesus? The father. "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God." His God's name is YHWH. We call him Jehovah, whatever the pronunciation, everyone in heaven praises Jah in heaven when they call out "hallelujah". JW's try their best to imitate Jesus, he told us to exclusively worship, the ONLY true God. That is the God and Father of Jesus, Jehovah. We should all listen to Jesus and do the same, wouldn't you agree?
Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, *we know* that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Cor. 8:4-6 ESV) JWs seem to be utterly blinded by their father the Devil as to what this passage is saying, so let me s-l-o-w-l-y walk through it. Paul says, WE (Christians) know that an idol (ie, gods that are represented by an image) has no real existence. Why are false gods not real? Because WE (Christians) know that “there is NO God except one.” Now, this couldn’t be more clear but for some reason, Paul’s language is confusing for simple JWs. Paul is saying that there is only one God, not lots of gods like pagan JWs claim. So, Christians can eat meat offered to the pagan god Artemis because she isn’t real. Even though there are many “so called” gods like Artemis, she isn’t a real God. Yes, there were many gods worshiped in Corinth, like Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, etc., but unlike pagan JWs, Christians don’t believe they were real gods. Christians believe “there is no God but one.” Paul takes the Greek Shema (Deu 6:4) Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεὸς), the Lord (κύριος) is one, and glosses the title “God” (θεὸς) to the Father and “Lord” (κύριος) to the Son, Christinizing the Shema by including Jesus within the identity of the one Lord God.[1] Paul tells us at the very beginning that “there is no God but one,” yet Franky claims that Paul believed there were multiple gods. Franky is a polytheist and isn’t born-again. He's been blinded by his father the devil and needs our prayers. [1] See David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
@kevinfromcanada4379 nice reply. When you say JW's are blinded by the devil, do you mean we are blinded by the god of this age? I obviously disagree, but it is interesting that Paul was so in error when he called satan a "god", as in a god, but not the only true God that Jesus spoke of .. maybe Jesus was confused too, and that's why he didn't say to satan "it is written, thou must worship me", or to Mary, "I am ascending to be myself, God". Absolutely I agree, there are many useless idol gods, as Jehovah speaks of in isa45 and the useless potted clay, but as paul said, there are "many gods", aside from the "so-called gods". Most choose to worship the other gods, even the obvious good one of John1:1... something he never asked for, and Jehovah specifically commanded against. Ex20:2,3
Franky, Paul says, "Formerly when you (Christians) did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods at all" (Gal. 4:8 NET). Jehovah says about Jerusalem, "Your people have rejected me and have worshiped gods that are not gods at all" (Jer. 5:7 NET). Notice that Jehovah says that these "gods" that people worship are not actually gods, though they are called gods. Satan is called the "god of this age" becuase people have rejected the true God and taken a false god instead. Paul makes it very clear that there are not "many gods," though there are many entities in the world called "god." Zeus, Artemis, etc are "gods" but Paul says they aren't actually gods. Christians know "there is no God but one." JWs are polytheists who think there are many gods, unlike what the Bible says.
Nope. You're wrong. Your reasoning is flawed. Jesus wouldn't be known as the "Son of God" if he were the Almighty God. He is not Jehovah God. There's no way that Satan would approach Jesus and propose that Jesus bow down to him if he were Almighty. There's no way that Satan would offer the Kingdoms of this world to Jesus if he knew that Jesus were Almighty God. Jesus is an extension of Almighty God, making him divine and a god. Jesus is identified as God in scripture because he came to earth as a God's representative. Have you ever heard someone like a sheriff or an attorney say "i am the law"? This is figurative. They represent the law. Saying Jesus is God is conveying that God gave Jesus the authority to represent him while on earth. Jesus did not resurrect himself. Scripture shows that his father, our Almighty God, was responsible for his son's resurrection. Jesus taught the disciples to pray Our father who is heaven. He didn't teach them to pray to himself. Jesus prayed to God and said let your will be done.
Hello there! Several of the points in your comment were answered in my video (in fact, they were answered fairly early on). That tells me you didn't actually watch the video and just went straight to the comment section. If you're ever interested in actually learning about the Trinity, I'd love to dialogue with you! But if you refuse to give the other side a hearing, you won't be able to grow much as a believer. Also, while my video wasn't about the resurrection per se, I'd love for you to compare what you said in your comment with Jesus's words in John 2:19-21 and John 10:17-18! It might also help to compare it with other translations too. Cheers!
Mark 6:50 John 20:28-29 Revelation 22:6-16 I encourage you to read from the Kingdom Interlinear. Every head must bow, every tongue must confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. Jesus is God, God is a Trinity, and the Watchtower cannot deny the divine.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth God doesn’t have to do anything. Neither does God go back on His word. You Christians want to make God a human yet God’s character was never human. In order to understand God’s character in which we can comprehend we must turn to Torah. For example: Numbers 23:19 “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?” This verse alone destroys the notion that neither is God a man, nor was Jesus or anyone else God. Because according to the Christian doctrine (a Greek manuscript) Jesus is called a son of man 86 times. 86 times your claim is dismantled according to your own religion. Again, instead, we turn to the original article. 1 Samuel 15:29 “Moreover the glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He is not human that He should change His mind.” What is God’s opinion over the matter? Hosea 11:9 “I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.” What part do you not understand? Stop trying to read in the Jesus character into TaNaKh. It just doesn’t exist. The Church deceived us and lied to us all. As a Christian you are left claiming something that just isn’t there. Incarnation has nothing to do with God’s existence. God is eternal, He has no form.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 Num 23:19 simply shows that God is not like humans-he doesn't lie, humans do. It does not say that God cannot become human. 1Sam 15:29 shows that humans are fickle people who change their minds. God is not fickle. This verse doesn't say that God cannot become a human. Hosea 11:9 shows that God's wrath is not like humans. Humans may seek revenge out of a sense of betrayal but God does not. His purpose in executing wrath is to purify and restore. Again, this verse doesn't say that God cannot become a human. My friend, you are ripping verses out of context to use as proof texts. That's not honest.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth You are creating your own eisegesis. God does not go back on His word. You have a preconceived notion of what God is through your Christian doctrine, which is completely false. God’s first three commandments explicitly states that you shall not have any carved images of anything, this includes both physical and mental. Otherwise you are creating your own image of God. Exodus 20:3-5 “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[b] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me…” As it turned out, your Christian God has been a carved image of all sorts, both physical and mentally for over two millennia now. What a conundrum for Christendom. You can’t rewrite TaNaKh Christian. You are simply reading in the Jesus character and creating a replacement theology created by the over 45,000 different denominations which are all divided amongst themselves with different opinions. God clearly states that you are creating God in a human form to your own liking whenever you create an image in your mind and as a physical object. You read each verse that I quoted by mixing and matching and then putting in your own thoughts that are not in line with Torah.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth The context is clear. “You shall have no other gods before Me.” Christendom has claimed that Jesus is God, even during a three day vacation period. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image of ANYTHING.” Your Jesus has been a carved image for over two millennia now in which Christians have bowed down to and served. Stop raping TaNaKh with your Christian rhetoric.
God says" I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." God is not a person. God says" there in none like me " God is different from His creations. Hosea 11:9 God is not a man Can someone teach me where they get Jehovah? John 17:3 Isaiah 45:5 1 Corinthians 8:5 1 Timothy 2:5 Who created the heaven and earth? :
When God spoke in Hosea 11:9, he had not yet incarnated himself-that came later. "Jehovah" comes from adding vowels to the tetragrammaton. Some pronounce it Yahweh. The Son (Jesus) created the heavens and the earth (Heb 1:10).
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Hebrew 16:18 God cannot lie when he makes a promise, and he cannot lie when he makes an oath Malachi 3:6 God cannot lie when he makes a promise, and he cannot lie when he makes an oath Numbers 23:19 God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? 19 God is not a man, so he does not lie. Isaiah 45:5 1 Timothy 1:17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God.❤️ 1 Timothy 6:16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.❤️ The above two verses are the only true God. John 17 '3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent". ❤️ John 8:42 I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. How many times did jesus said" my God, your God, OUR GOD. John 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '" The trinity was created by the council of Nicaea Jesus was never God for early Christian,but 325AD became God then the holy spirit became God 381AD completed the trinity at 382AD.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth simple what are the attributes of God? Let me know if one of them is mortal!!!! If it's then that is not the true God. John 17:3 Why Jewish and Muslims believe God is one . What is the first commandment?
9:15 in all honesty, do you believe the Almighty God died? Puny humans put the Almighty God to death? Have you considered titles can be shared, and in this case the title refers to totally different things (Jehovah's eternity in both directions (incidentally meaning he could not say "I died", and Christ being the first to be raised to the heavens by his father, Jehovah. Also the last as all future resurrections are preformed by Jesus joh5:28,29, as he has the "keys") Titles are interchangeable. Think of "King of Kings", both Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar have this title, are they the same? When we use the Father's personal name, Jehovah, all the confusion you are facing dissapears.
Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God. The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think? God cannot die, which is why the Almighty had to become human so he could die.
Hi Kevin, "God cannot die, which is why the almighty had to became human so he could die"... are you sure? The Almighty never left heaven, he sent his son, as Jesus continuously stated. Jehovah alone is the Almighty (Gen17:1) Joh17 "These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the son may glorify thee" His Father is Jehovah, as we can see from the instruction Jesus receives from Jehovah upon his resurrection to heaven: ASV Ps110:1"Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool." Jehovah speaking to Jesus, (David's "Lord"), and also BEING Jesus has no basis in reality.
@FrankLee-gq8yc you didn't deal with any of the verses I cited that show Jesus is Jehovah. As for Psalm 110-have you read the Psalms? This is going to come as a shock to JWs but before you get to Psalm 110, there are 109 Psalms that come before it. In Psalm 16:2, David says that Jehovah is his Lord (Adon). Now, the NWT obscures this by inserting the divine name twice in that verse, once for the tetragrammaton (which is correct) and once for Adon (which is not correct). So when we get to Psalm 110, we know that David's Lord is Jehovah. So Jehovah is speaking to David's Lord, who is Jehovah. This is Jesus's argument in Mat 22. Finally, if we read Psalm 110 like Jesus, we would do so as a trinitarian. David spoke my means of the Holy Spirit, saying, "Jehovah said to my Lord (David's Lord is Jehovah)." Great passage to show that Jesus is Jehovah. Thanks.
@kevinfromcanada4379 when you read Matt 22, and you read Jesus explaining the "Lord" spoken of is the "Son" of Jehovah, how are you coming to the conclusion that he is saying that Lord IS Jehovah? That is not his argument at all. He is highlighting the fact that as Jehovah's son, he will sit at Jehovah's right hand and wait until he is installed as King of the Kingdom, exactly what David was saying in 110. You made that super unusual. Is it because they share the title "Lord"? You are smart, you realize many have that title... hence the need for personal names, ie Jehovah and Jesus.
Where is Jesus called the Son of Jehovah? Jehovah is the name of the triune God, which is why Jesus can be identified as Jehovah. Jesus is the human name of thr Son of God, the second person of the triune God. Look at a Hebrew Interlinaer and tell me if the tetragrammaton is found twice in Psalm 16:2 or if your NWT have inserted the divine name were it doesn't belong.
Jesus Christ IS God but He is NOT the Father but the SON OF GOD (and divine) as He and the Bible CONSTANTLY STATE. He is sitting at the right hand of God right now so you have TWO separate Beings, Father and Son. Acts 10:38 says "God (the Father) anointed Jesus of Nazareth WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT". If I believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ALL THE SAME PERSON, isn't that saying, GOD ANOINTED HIMSELF WITH HIMSELF! NONSENSE! And John 1:1-3 = "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ) and THE WORD (Jesus Christ) WAS WITH GOD (THE FATHER) and the WORD WAS GOD!" VS 14 goes on to say that the 'WORD WAS MADE FLESH' (JESUS CHRIST THE MAN) So IF JESUS CHRIST WAS WITH GOD AS THE WORD, IT IS CLEAR THAT HE IS NOT THE FATHER! IT JUST DOESN'T STATE HERE THAT HE IS TO BECOME THE SON OF GOD WHEN BEGOTTEN BY GOD THE FATHER INTO HUMAN FORM AND IS DIVINE AS THE FATHER IS.
@@moisesbeyond God the Father (Jehovah) and God the Son (Jesus Christ)! When the Bible says there is only ONE GOD, it means THE FATHER JEHOVAH but JEHOVAH HAS A SON WHO IS JESUS CHRIST EQUALLY DIVINE so there are two Gods in that sense but Jesus always honors the Father in EVERYTHING.
Jehovah is the *most high* God. (Psalm 83:18), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel, the God of the fathers. Peter says: The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree. So Jehovah, the God of the fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Israel) raised up Jesus from the dead. One person raised another person. They cannot be the same person. Jesus *cannot* be Jehovah.
This would be a problem if it was actually what trinitarians taught. What you're describing is called Modalism and not what the Trinity is. The Father and the Son are different persons, but the same being.
You gotta lie to yourself in order to believe in the trinity honestly. The bible is so clear and easy to understand that Jehovah is God and is the Father. Jesus was created by the Father and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. How is it so hard to understand for you people, even Jesus has explained to us who God is and yet you don't believe him.
The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!
Then explain how Jesus created all things if he wasn’t the creator when not even one thing was created without him. You can’t create all things if you are one of those created things. John 1:3.
@@srich7503 exactly 🤦🏻♀️ I don’t get how they reconcile this. Their own books/interlinear even show they changed it. But they somehow forgot about John 1:3
The funny thing is that the christian bible corrupts the Holy Tanach, to try to make the false messiah real. Your jesus is not god, he is not the messiah, all he truly is, is a dead man on a roman cross
The "Christian" Bible is the "Jewish" Bible. It was written by faithful Jews who believed the promises God gave in the Tanakah. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and saviour of the world.
I believe that god became flesh ,,, to generate a central point for us humans to be able to focus on Him All trough out history he tried many ways to let people see and understand that he is god, He sent profits , he was in the form of burning bushes , voices , wonders, etc, Still humans could not understand and recognize god. God became flesh lived among us, still we did not recognize him. There fore he gave us his grace The HOLY spirit To keep those who truly seek him to understand and get closer to him The spirit within us will convince us that Jesus is god. Not or own understanding, As we don’t even understand the simplest things in this live as humans.
Please answer if you can??? How can the source of life "DIE?" Jude verse 25 says of GOD ALMIGHTY, He has existed from ALL eternity past and will exist into ALL eternity. "If somewhere along the way he died, he can't be eternal" The man called Jesus died. And was dead for the better part of 3 days. If Jesus is God, how then can God die when he is the original source of Life. Everything in his presence is clean. HOLY. Death is unclean and cannot be associated with him. e.
Jesus is truly God and truly human. He *became* a human to died for our sins; with his human nature he can die. (Philippians 2:5-11) Now, can you response why if Jesus is the First and the Last, Mighty God, and with the fact that all things were created by him, he is not God?
J esus is the (1) first and the last in as much as he was and will remain the only person Yehovah resurrected. Revelations 1:17 Revelations 3:14 Revelations 1:5 Colossians 1:15,18 All all other resurrections will be through God's son Jesus Christ. John 5:25-29 As God's first born he was helpful in moving forward God's love for creation. The furthering of his will and purpose (Playing his given role to move god's will forward) John 4:34 At John 5:26...... I (me personally) ask the question? If God has life in himself.... He being almighty, how is it he is now granting to himself to have life in himself (the son?) Yes, I agree with you Jesus is a mighty god divine in nature like his father. He is described as a mighty god not the almighty god
@@richarddaily9517 You can't say "Mighty God divine in nature *like his Father*" and still said Jesus is not God. There's no God (with G or with g) but the God of the Bible.
Hello @richarddaily9517! I just made a new video addressing the question of "how God could die". I'll drop a link below. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it! ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
Who cares which denomination one believes. The point is to feed narcissism and believe you are immortal and destined to become a multi-dimensional god right? To hell with the details and everyone who doesn't believe like you.
Yehoshua is his name and he ain't Eloheem. Yehoshua is the Son of Man and Son of Eloheem PERIOD. Joh 20:17 Yehoshua saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Eloheem, and your Eloheem. He shares Sonship with us only that he has been chosen to sit at the Right hand of the Father as the first begotten Son and last Adam. In Apologetics we use this rule: The principle of the harmony of Scripture (or, Scripture interprets Scripture): “no part of Scripture can be interpreted in such a way as to render it in conflict with what is clearly taught elsewhere in Scripture” (RC Sproul). I agree with this Christian even though Christianity does NOT follow its own acceptance of this rule. If we have to stick to this rule then he cannot be the Almighty Eloheem since it would contradict what Yahuah Eloheem the Father has said Of HIMSELF at least 89 times already including this verse concerning the "Son of Man". Do you want to make him a liar and Yehoshua the Son of man a liar too to make your false doctrine fit? It is fitting that Yahuah says HE DOES NOT LIE! From my free book on my website "Why Jesus is not God / Why Yahushua is not Eloheem" " Numbers 23:19 Eloheem is not a man, that he should lie; neither the *son of man, that he should repent...
The Scriptures Refute "Jesus is God" by Declaring Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) as the "Son of Man" According to Matthew 1:1, Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) is the SON OF ELOHIM, the SON OF DAVID, SON OF ABRAHAM. He is a man, but most importantly he is the SON OF MAN. Every time this term is mentioned referring to Yah'ushua we remember that Elohim (pw God) has already categorically stated that the Son of Man is NOT Elohim according to Numbers 23:19 as above. In the (REC) Renewed Everlasting Covenant (pw New Testament) it is said 89 times! e.g. Mat 8:20 (KJV) And Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the SON OF MAN hath not where to lay his head. Mat 9:6 (KJV) But that ye may know that the SON OF MAN hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house....." see rest in my book.
i have been computer writing for 40 years and it is habit for me to see and say of all i write, rephrase rephrase rephrase and no matter hor you do it, i can see how anything i write can be twisted by you narcissists. If I say from Ur or from Kish, some idiot, or wit-game-player will say Kish or Ur is a person. When i once wrote the Red Sea was parted by a cloud-pillar (ammonia funnel-cloud from a comet) a woman asked me if by Could Pillar was a writer's pseudo-name. Anything wirtten or said can be claimed as any reader or listener wants to and yes you do it a whole lot. Like i say if you think youre woke, get a new alarm clock.
Christ as the "firstborn of every creature" is quite epic indeed! I couldn't care less if it flies in the face of tradition. Tradition is usually just another name for "lies".
Hello there! We don't ignore them. In fact, I'll be covering those verses in detail in my next video. Hope you stick around! In the meantime, if you come up with any stronger objections to the Trinity, please let me know
@@theologywithseth Jesus when he was already in Heaven said he has a God. I believe what Jesus said. So if he said what is true, should I believe that he is not true ? Is Jesus true of what he said or not ? There can't be yes and no at the same time.
@@Mckaule Yes, Jesus does have a God... because he has a human nature. He is also God, which is why people could pray to him, worship him, sing songs about and to him, and confess him as God-all while maintaining their monotheism. Jesus has two natures-God and human-so whatever can be said of either nature can be said of the one person.
@@josefrzyman7297 The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
Hi all! I just came out with a video answering those objections. I'd love to hear your thoughts! Link below... ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
Do you really think that the JW are totally wrong? Have you read John 20:30-31? What does it say? Why is it that John did not include that Jesus is God also? We can read what he wrote in John 20:28 right ? , however John did not write his gospel to prove Jesus was God but to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, the son of God. Some may say that son of God means deity right? But this is not true. Adam is called son of God and also the angels and kings such as Salomon or David, however they are not deity. We can also see that Luke 1:35 gives the reason why Jesus is called the son of God and the reason for this is that Jesus is a direct creation of God in Mary. Jesus was conceived in Mary, Mary became pregnant with Jesus, the fertilized egg Mary had to have for her to be pregnant, was Jesus, so how do people think that Jesus came from heaven when we know he came from Mary? There is no spiritual component in the conception of a baby, only a male and a female sexual cell that come together to start the process of gestation. Jesus plainly says in Matthew 16:16 who he is, actually he says that it was the Father who gave Peter that revelation, why don’t we believe him? Jesus also was the promised Messiah prophesied to David in 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Jesus is clearly a descendant of David, a human being, not God. The Trinity is a false concept of God, Jesus said who God is in John 17:3, the Father, he also calls the Father, his God in John 20:17. So the JW witnesses are not totally wrong, except that Jesus did not preexist his birth in Bethlehem or was an angel, but Jesus had a definite beginning in Mary. He is the lamb of God, his son, the sinless sacrificial lamb who took away the sins of the world but he is not God.
Jesus didn't preexist his birth?? Have you actually read the Gospel of John? I'll give one example: "On the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one about whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who is greater than I am, because he existed before me.’ " (John 1:29-30 NET) John was conceived 6 months before Jesus (Luke 1:36). So, how could Jesus exist before John? Because Jesus is God become human.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 yes, I know that this verse is used to prove that Jesus preexisted, however, what John the Baptist actually meant was that Jesus in the plan of the Almighty came before John. Jesus was created in Mary by the Almighty, we can read this is Luke 1:26-35. Jesus is a descendant of king David so he is a human being not God. According to James 1:17, The Almighty does not change, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.”, Jesus also said to the Samaritan woman “God is Spirit”, John 4:24, so Jesus is not God but a human being. John summarizes his gospel in John 20:30-31, notice that John is saying that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, no word that he is God in the book of John.
John doesn't say that God's plan came before him, he says that Jesus existed before him. This is why Jesus could claim that he came down from heaven (John 3:13; 6:41).
@@kevinfromcanada4379 don’t we know where Jesus came from? Luke 1:26-35? Read John 20:30-31 did John prove Jesus is God or the Christ, the son of God? If the apostle John thought Jesus was God or preexisted, he surely missed it in this summary.
Luke 1:26-35 is speaking about his human nature. His humanity was created and the Son took that humanity to himself (Phil 2:7). Being God and the Son of God are not mutually exclusive. The one God subsists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As a subsistent of the one God, he is God. He is also a distinct person from the Father-he is the Son. This is why Thomas could call Jesus "MY God." Jesus is God, but he is not the Father, he is the Son. PS. You didn't actually deal with the verses where Jesus claimed to have come down from heaven. You simply dismissed them.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Not at all. I think I'm less than my pet chihuahua sometimes. My point is God has a headship. Not co- equal God. Jesus is under God.
@jameshaney3701 great. Functional subordination does not necessarily mean ontological subordination. Woman is functionally subordinate to man, yet she is ontologically equal to man-she is fully human. Jesus is functionally subordinate to God the Father, yet he is ontologically equal to the Father -he is fully Jehovah God. Humanity was created to image God. How does the functional subordination of woman to man imagine God? For unitarians, this is a head scratcher. For trinitarians, this is easy to understand. The Father and Son are equally Jehovah God, yet the Son willingly subordinates himself to the Father as his head. Likewise, man and woman are equally human, yet the woman is called to willingly submit to man as her head. 1Cor 11:2-16 only makes sense if God is triune.
@kevinfromcanada4379 Who died for your sins, the disciples, or Jesus? Remember, everything the deciples wrote was all they saw and heard of Jesus. And Jesus never said once that He was God. And I belive my lord and savior Jesus Christ.
How many times does Jesus have to state.... I do nothing, I don't speak, I don't move, but ONLY the Father that is IN ME!! Is the message not clear? Deny the flesh, be born again in the spirit!! Repent!! Change how you think..... "STOP thinking!!!"
You are totally ignoring the context of Jesus earthly ministry. Why don't you read the rest of the Bible instead of what the Watchtower feeds you with. Here is a good place to start: "Who, *_being in very nature God,_* did not consider *_equality with God_* something to be used to his own advantage; rather, *_he made himself nothing_* by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, *he humbled himself* by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:6-8) As you can see here, Jesus _voluntarily_ made himself a lower being. It wasn't forced apon him or was the result of his being of inferior nature or value than the Father. In all humility Jesus willingly chose to forsake everything he had, including his divine privileges, FOR OUR SAKES! Jesus mission demanded that he become a human being with complete dependency on the Father. That is why Paul indicates that he could not rely on "equality with God" to be used "to his advantage".
BROTHERMAN, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, HOW DE HELL HE COULD STILL BE GOD? CAN YOUR SON BE YOU? 1John 4 v 15, and 1 John 5 v 5). IF JESUS IS WAS GOD, DON'T YOU THINK HE WOULD KNOW IT? .Mark 10 v 18, JESUS CHRIST SAID, " WHY DO YOU CALL ME (me) GOOD, NOBODY GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD. Does that sound to you like Jesus is God? John 5 v 26 says, " THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, SO HE HAS ( GRANTED) THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF. SO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE SON WAS ( GRANTED) TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF? IF SOMEONE GRANT YOU SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT HAVE IT BEFORE IT WAS GRANTED TO YOU? WHAT TRINITY ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT, CAN I FIND IT ANYWHERE IN ANY BIBLE IN THE WORLD? 1 CORINTHIANS 11 v 3 says, " THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST, THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD, so if the Holy SPIRIT is a person who is he the head of? THAT FAKE SCRIPTURE THAT YOU GUYS ALWAYS REFER TO ( GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN ANY BIBLE IN THE WORLD? It is not in the bible. IF JESUS IS JEHOVAH, HOWCOME PSALMS 83 v 18( even in some copies of the King James version Bible)says, "THAT MEN MAY KNOW, THAT YOU ALONE WHOSE NAME IS JEHOVAH ARE THE MOST HIGH OVER ALL THE EARTH? ( YOU ALONE, NOT A TRINITY) MOST OF THE OLDER COPIES OF THE KInG JAMES BIBLE SAYS THAT. IF JESUS IS GOD, PLEASE EXPLAIN 1 CORINTHIANS 15 v 24 to 28 to the people you are MISLEADING? The problem is, YOU GUYS DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURES YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO COMPARE YOURSELVES TO JEHOVAH WITNESSES. JEHOVAHS witnesses reads God's word daily, you have to first study the Bible before you become 0ne of Jehovahs witnesses. WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, GENESIS 1 CLARELY STATES THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. IT IS SO SIMPLE. IF THE TOYOTA COMPANY MAKES A ROBOT AND USE IT TO MAKE ALL ITS VEHICLES, WHO MADE THE VEHICLES, THE ROBOT OR THE TOYOTO COMPANY? ( HEBREWS 3 v 4) ALL over in Genesis God is the one saying " LET US DO THIS, AND LET US DO THAT. IT IS GOD'S WILL AND JESUS CARRY IT OUT. JESUS ALWAYS GIVE ALL GLORY TO GOD, JOHN 14 v 28 THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I ", JOHN 5 v 30 Jesus said, I CAN OF MYSELF DO NOTHING , I DO NOT SEEK MY OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHO SENT ME. 1 John 4 v 14, GOD SENT JESUS TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. You guys keep MISUSING ISAIHA 9 v 6. FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORNetc etc. AND THE GOVERNMENT( WILL)BE UPON HIS SHOULDER...WHEN? AND HIS NAME ( WILL BE) CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR etc etc ...WHEN? IT DID NOT SAY THE GOVERNMENT IS ON HIS SHOULDER, AND HE IS CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR? HE WILL BE CALLED THOSE THINGS AFTER HE HAS COMPLETED THE ASSIGNMENT HIS FATHER GAVE HIM, THE RANSOM SACRIFICE. Then as a reward for faithfully carrying out the RANSOM SACRIFICE, GOD GAVE HIM A NAME ABOVE ALL OTHER NAMES, (PHILLIPIANS 2 v 9) and gave him all authority in Heaven and on earth. Matthew 28 v 18. Before Jesus was given authority, he told the Pharasees I JUDGE NO ONE. Because he was not yet given authority to judge. ( John 8 v 15). WHEN JESUS SAW THE .MONEY CHANGERS IN THE TEMPLE, HE SAID, YOU ARE MAKING MY FATHER'S HOUSE INTO A DEN OF THIEVES. He didn't say you are making my house into a den of thieves? Doesn't Revelations say there are many God's and many Lord's in Heaven and on earth. ARE THEY TRUE GODS OR FALSE GODS?
You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!
JWs will always appeal to their brainwashed intellect over what the Bible says… this is why they run like the cowards they are when confronted with the truth of Jesus.
and Jehovah's Witnesses will answer Jehovah is the beginning and the end as in the first and the last and Jesus is the beginning and the end as in the first and the last of creation, because they believe he was created. They also believe Jesus is just an Angel (Micheal). The governing body believe they are above Jesus as well. They have a big shock coming to them on judgment day. It's very hard to break through to these people. All my family are JW's and they won't listen.
I have to say, as someone who is agnostic, enjoys learning about history and religion, and have no religious beliefs at all, your argument really failed to hit it's mark. Wether Jesus is God or not is not something I have an opinion on, but based on your argument, I have concluded that Jesus is probably not God. You kept going on over the same argument over and over using different passages and theories, but you never really offered any actual proof of your position. It felt like 30 minutes of the same argument, without offering anything other than, well Jesus is God because of the Holy Trinity, which trust me, it's a thing. Just my two cents from someone who isn't a Christian or a Jehovah's witness.
Hmmm... that's a strange appraisal of my argument for sure. I don't know how you can say it was 30 minutes of the "same argument" when I appealed to over a dozen *different* passages all supporting the fact that Jesus is Jehovah. In at least two passages, the Biblical authors *directly called Jesus "God"* . So to listen to all of that and conclude that Jesus is "probably not God" is a bizarre conclusion indeed. But since you don't have a dog in the fight, I won't trouble you over it. I just thought I'd let you know that was a very unexpected comment!
Tons of Bible verses: "Jesus is God" Commenter on the internet: "After carefully reviewing these Bible verses, I've concluded that Jesus is probably not God" BRUH
@@theologywithseth first of, thank you for replying to my comment, I honestly wasn't expecting anyone to reply, so I'm grateful you did. I will like to add that as a non believer, my opinion on this matter is of no consequence to anyone's faith in Christianity, I'm just a guy that enjoys history and lore. As far as your argument, seems to me that for every passage in the Bible that calls Jesus 'God' (I would like to compare your passages to my Bible, I own a English Standard version, to see how they differ) , there are others that explicitly refer to him otherwise. When these inconsistencies present themselves you rely on the idea of the Holy Trinity, which is very convenient for you, but you don't offer more than just that. Jesus also never refers to himself as God. Because Jesus consistently refers to God his father as a separate entity from himself, I am inclined to believe that he isn't God. Having said that, I am no expert, I am also not a Christian so my opinion matters little. At the end of the day, whether you know for a fact Jesus is God or not, should matter little. I believe Jesus wanted to spread love, not religion.
@@bgslayer4529 tons of Bible verses: "Jesus is the son of God" Commenter on the Internet: "After careful consideration I have concluded that Jesus is in fact God" Bruh 🤦♂️ See I can do that too 😅 you'll never convince anyone of anything with that kind of sloppy argument....
Hey friend, I'm glad to help you out here. Jesus, when praising his Father, was identifying him and glorifying him for who he truly is. The only true God. Would it be better for him to of said "you are the only false god?' Of course not. Now, he was not excluding himself in this statement. Here's a few reasons why: John 10:30- Jesus is ONE with the "only true God" John 5:19- Jesus does absolutely everything the Father does in the way the Father does it without qualification Colossians 1:16-17- Jesus is before all creation and all creation exists for him as its ultimate end Revelation 5:11-14- EVERY CREATURE in creation, absolutely no creature left out, worshipping both the Father and the Son. If he were a creature he would have been included in EVERY CREATURE. John 14:12-14- Jesus tells us that after he returns to the Father in heaven "if you ask anything in my name, I WILL DO IT." So here he makes himself an object of prayer after he returns to heaven but also the one answering those prayers. This is not even close to being an exhaustive list. Just a few examples. Jesus is almighty God even in the new world translation. What we see here is a Jesus that is one with the one true God, does everything that the one true God does, is uncreated with the one true God, receives worship with the one true God, and answers prayers with the one true God. So what is stopping Jesus from also being the one true God? Final questions for you.. I'm assuming you're a jw. If you believe Jesus is "a god", is he a true or a false god? Please answer coherently in light of Isaiah 43:10. How Jehovah formed no God before or after him. How is it that you know of "a god" that was formed that Jehovah doesn't know about and nor did he create?
@@BrandonBonner-d7v Matt 23:8,9 says there is only One Father . It also says there is Only One teacher . Should I conclude therefore that @user-mw9st1ik5b is a FALSE teacher with no human father? Is it not more correct for me to conclude that other teachers are lesser teachers and other fathers are lesser fathers. Jesus is not a false God but he is not the ultimate true God of John 17:3 either. 1 Cor 8:5 says For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (AS THERE ARE many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is One God, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
@@aksk5770 You are really bad at this and it’s showing. Good try trying to get out of answering the question. Perhaps you missed verse 4 that Paul tells us that these idols & gods that receive offerings have no real existence and there is but only one God. He then expands on that in verse 5 saying that these lords & gods that aren’t alive are SO CALLED gods by the pagans as indeed or (as if) there are many gods or lords. Buddy, these aren’t gods or lords because they have no real existence as he just told you in verse 4. Why are you arguing for polytheism? There’s only one God. Jesus tells us that the Father is the only true God. Which means that any other so called “god” is a false god. You can’t get around this. Is Jesus a true or a false God? Isaiah 43:10 says, "You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me". While you’re at it, please tell me in light of this passage, why is it that you know of “a god” that was formed after Jehovah that he himself doesn’t know about and nor did he create? Go ahead and explain.
@@aksk5770 man, still dodging the question. Let’s try again, is Jesus a true or false god? I know you’re scared. Here, I’ll go first, Jesus is the true God. What say you? I’m sorry Paul wasn’t clear enough for you that there is only one God. Jesus also confirming there is only one true God. I’m sorrowful for you that you have fallen into polytheism. May the Lord have mercy on you. This is why the Bible is dangerous in the wrong hands, such as yours. I suggest you read Isaiah 42-46 and tell me how many God’s Jehovah made and how many other God’s does Jehovah know about. Please come back and let me know with quotations. I can’t wait to read them. You obviously can’t understand that “gods” used elsewhere in the Bible in light of these passages would mean that these “gods” are not god by nature, essence, or ability. As the only true God is. But only used in a very qualified sense. So you could actually say they are not true gods. There’s only one true God. Stop creating Bible contradictions, please.
Hi there! The answer is no. I actually bring that verse up in my most recent video! Would love to hear your thoughts. Link below! ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
SETH! My brother in Christ I could kiss you on your face. You have elated my spirit, brother you have saved me. You have saved me.
I was born in 2000 and raised a Jehovahs Witness. I left the organization in 2020. Since then I’ve been through so much strife and grief in my pursuit of faith. Years of wondering and confusion. Such a weight on my heart for so long.
I finally gave up on trying to find the truth in scripture because after I lost my faith in the Jehovahs Witnesses translation; I didn’t know what to trust.
I’ve prayed for years for God to help show me the way. Finally not 2 weeks ago I prayed incessantly. I’ve always prayed to Jehovah, but I asked this time: “Christ are you him?” “Please show me, have I really been THAT lost this whole time?”
Seth, Christ has used you to save my life, and end my grief. My eyes were opened because of Christ through you. I’m at work listening to this and I leaped into the air and screamed “CHRIST IS LORD”.
Shivers moved through my entire body. I felt it in my bones. Seth thank you, thank you thank you thank you.
I know it might seem random and silly my friend but I am forever in your debt.
Thank CHRIST.
Wow that’s amazing! All praise to Jesus, and you have been moved by Holy Spirit to find the truth, and Seth was amazing at pointing it all out.
I have subscribed to Seth today, great work brother!
Hallelujah! Praise be to God almighty! 🙏 Welcome to the family, my brother in Christ!✝️
@IrishBuzz What an incredible testimony! Thank you so much for sharing that with me. I'm so glad the Lord has seen fit to use my video to help draw you to Himself. I'm so thrilled for you! I'd encourage you to check out some of my older videos as well and if you have any questions about anything, don't hesitate to ask. Christ is Lord indeed!
Dude, we have the same story! Both born in 2000, and both left the organization in 2020. And Seth has helped both of us (I found him last week Thursday). God is definitely working through him
@@user-fi3es3ne7h Remember that we love you as our brother in Christ
I just want to thank you because i'm learning so much!❤❤
Great work brother. May God bless you and your channel.
Thank you so much! God bless you as well
I noticed JWs love to tell Christians what we believe the Trinity to be. And when we tell them what we believe and what the Trinity is, they have an automatic OFF switch. They are truly mind controlled!
Thank you for the visual representation of the Trinity. I will definitely use that ❤ God Bless You🙏
I agree! Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Where in the Bible did you read about Trinity. Or did you read this pagan belief from a man 's book.
you're doing God's work, brother. thank you and God bless!
Thank you! God bless you as well
I love love your channel! Glad I found you. I'm not a jw but God has put two ladies in my life that are. Thank you for posting God bless you ❤
I'm so glad to hear that! God bless you as well and I'll be praying for your JW friends!
@theologywithseth Thank you!!
Thank you so much! I have recently started evangelizing JWs. This is helpful!
Also see "LightoverDark Ministry".
You're very welcome! I'm so glad the Lord has brought some JW's into your life. I'll be praying that the Lord uses you mightily to bring them to a knowledge of the truth!
Wow thank you for solidifying my faith. Jesus is truly worthy and of true infinite worth. My debt is paid is fully.
Amen! You're so very welcome. Thank you for watching, brother!
Wow! I’ve been looking for easier ways to reach my husband. Thank you! God bless❤
You are so welcome! I'll be praying for your husband
looks like the witnesses are out in force in the comments today.....
keep up the wonderful work! As an ex JW (now Christian) it's good to see someone putting in the work to show these people the truth about Jesus in their own bible
They sure are! That just tells me the video is having an impact. Thank you so much for watching and I appreciate your encouraging words!
@@teffillername3374 il take you to a few scripture the first 1 is John 1 v 1 he who did this vidio did not check to see if the new word translation is correct let’s check in the beginning was the word ? What beginning Jehovah never had a beginning hes the king of eternity? So the word was with TON THEON the father and the word was THEOS a god not GOD there’s 2 different words used there ? Then you have jesus saying at revelation 3 v 14 saying he the beginning of the creation by God now only the trinity bibles have changed that to ruler or orginater but the word in Greek is saying that the new word translation is correct even more so THEOS is used at acts 28 v 6 when Paul was bitten by a viper and they thought he was THEOS NOT TON THEON a god
There is one thing for sure no human will ever shut the mouths of the JW organization. They will continue preaching until Armageddon.
JWs are in fact Christians and followers of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ mission was preaching about the good news of God's kingdom, establish a new law and to reveal his father's will. As followers I'm pretty sure the JW organization has sufficiently demonstrated themselves as Christ followers over the last 100years.
Hi @ronhansen8471! I actually made a video about some of the Watchtower's prophecies over the years that I think you'll be very interested in, especially if you're curious about Armageddon and other end-times events like that. Check it out and I'd love to hear your comments afterwards! Link below...
ruclips.net/video/qlGEaOYArsQ/видео.html
@@djparsons7363 Then go watch it and see for yourself!
This has been really troubling me.Especially when I speak to God.I feel like I'm leaving Jesus out.Thank you for helping❤
Hallelujah 🙏. Wonderful Words of God. Yes, Jesus is the only way & it'll be proved in future. Amen
Hallelujah indeed! Thank you for watching
Thank God!
Great!!!! Any printable notes on these
Zechariah 14 is an interesting chapter in light of Jesus 2nd coming. NWT says 'Jehovahs' foot will touch the mount of olives.
That's a great point! I should have included that haha. Maybe next time!
JESUS foot wil set on Mt. Of Olives, and they will see the nail marks, and morn as if the death of a first born son
The J.W's will hear *Matthew 7:21-23* on that Great and Dreadful day 😢 May the name of *Yeshua Ha-MaShiach* be Praised for the Glory of God the Father of our LORD & Saviour ❤
*Acts 4:10-12 / Romans 10:9-13* (Joel 2:28-32) Amen
Who is the father of our lord and savior? Do you know what the fathers will is?
(Matthew 7:21KJV) “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".
God's word says only the ones doing the will of Jesus Christ's father will enter into the kingdom of the heavens. It is most critical knowing what God's will is to gain approval. The out working of God's will is the most important issue in the universe and Jesus came to make his fathers will known on earth.
I understand your love but knowing the Hebrew pronunciation by 1st century Christians will not help the cause. In Hebrew it was most likely pronounced Yeshua Ha-MaShiach and in Greek it was I·e·sousʹ Khri·stosʹ and in Latin it was Ieʹsus Chriʹstus and English is Jesus Christ.
@@ronhansen8471 Thanks for Showing me Jesus Name in Hebrew, Greek and English that was Awesome bro too much i appreciate that 🙋♂️ ....I have to Disagree with you on the Original language doesn't matter because it does ... *THE HEBREW LEXICON, THE GREEK INTERLINEAR & AN ENGLISH DICTIONARY* are a Bible Student Best friend .....
Yes I know the Fathers Will so lets look at *Matthew 7:21* What the Fathers will is Ok
*John 6:37-40* (N.I.V)
(37) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and Whoever comes to me i will never drive away. (38) For i have come down from Heaven (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:18/3:13) NOT TO DO MY WILL BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME, That i shall lose None he has given me BUT RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY (John 17:2-3) (40) *For my FATHERS WILL is that EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS TO THE SON & BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* .....
Question.... Are you doing the Fathers will (John 6:40/Matthew 7:21-23) 🤔
*John 6:37-40* (N.IV)
(37) All that the Father Gives me will COME TO ME & Whoever Comes to me i will NEVER drive away. (38) For i have come DOWN FROM HEAVEN (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:18/3:13) not to do my Will BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME, *that i shall lose none he has given me BUT RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* (40) 👉 *FOR MY FATHERS WILL IS THAT EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS TO THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND I WILL RAISE THEM UP ON THE LAST DAY* 👈
Question : Are you doing the Fathers Will 🤔 *Matthew 7:21/ John 6:40* 🤔
Thank you for showing me Jesus name in Hebrew , Greek and English that is Awesome bro ...Can tell you have some Wisdom on you ....Wow but i have to disagree with you about the Original language thing because it is Important when Translations are involved
*The Hebrew Lexicon, The Greek Interlinear and An English Dictionary are a Bible Student BEST FRIEND*
Bless you bro 🙋♂️
I'm astonished that the Trinity is so strongly ingrained in the Bible that even this translation that actively tries to get rid of it, STILL can't do it! Loved this video brother. Keep up the good work!
I agree! That really says something when an authoritarian group like the Watchtower, which literally has control over the Biblical text, can't fully erase a doctrine that they disagree with. I think that's a testament to the sheer strength of the Deity of Christ. Thanks for watching!
are you saying no to the very God of Jesus? Revelation 3:12 Who told you to call God a Trinity? Proverbs 30:6
@@moseslivingstone1258it’s easy to see that you haven’t read Early Church history. You are aware the disciples Peter, Paul and John taught the first church fathers? And they taught the Trinity?
Why didn’t the disciples teach this? Well, reading the Gospels it is quite clear they knew Jesus was God.
Hundred of years? You mean the second century? A couple of years after the original disciples passed away? Read up on church history please. Come to see the TRUINE God. The Trinity adds to God divinity. It doesn’t take away from it 👌
There is no Trinity in the Bible. Historically the Trinity became dogma in 325 by the Council of Nicaea. No apostle was Trinitarian. Being Jews they recited the Shema which says that the Almighty YHWH is one person not three, the Trinity has corrupted christianity and has alienated many from the true message of the good news which is that the Almighty has reconciled himself with the world through the death of his human son, Jesus.
@@fcastellanos57 it’s sad how you don’t see that just because the Trinity wasn’t established until a certain date doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been a core doctrine since the beginning. Repent 🙏❤️
Any plans on doing something similar to this combating modalism? I was raised as a UPC oneness pentecostal, recently becoming Catholic, and there's very little polemics in the way of combatting the modalist heresy. If you are, make sure you read up on modern oneness theology, because they have some strange doctrines foreign to classical sabellianism that were added in to defend against the common attacks against modalism
Hey @zunir0a! I would love to make a video combatting modalism some day! Do you have any resources you'd recommend to help me research?
I second this
@@theologywithseth I sent a reply with some stuff but it seems like it got deleted, did you get any of the info I put in it?
Hi again @zunir0a, sadly I did not. I checked the "held" comments and didn't see it there either. I know sometimes RUclips will delete comments if there's a link that it doesn't like. Could you try again and ensure there aren't any links or anything?
Love the practical tips - we only need our Bible and the JW bible. Really even just the JW bible, the preeminence and deity of Jesus can be shown.
Thanks for the digging in on the scriptures!
Jesus Christ is the only person, the only name, the First and the Last, that can save your soul! AMEN!
Agreed! Thank you for watching
If Jesus is God why did Jesus plead to God for help ?
HEBREWS 5:7-9. Jesus pleaded to God with tears and outcries to save him from death. God did save Jesus from death by resurrecting him back to life, due to "Jesus' obedience."
MATTHEW 7:21-23. Jesus said that those who worship him instead of worshiping his Father in heaven, are his enemies.
1 TIMOTHY 2:5. ""FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, A MAN -JESUS CHRIST.""
GALATIANS 3:20. ""NOW THERE IS NO MEDIATOR WHEN JUST ONE PERSON IS INVOLVED, BUT GOD IS ONLY ONE.""
That is so specific that it is impossible that Jesus is God.
It takes two beings for a mediator to mediate between. God cannot be a mediator, only Jesus can be mediator between God and men.
Heb 5 - Jesus pleaded to God for help because Jesus has two natures-God and human. As human, he lived in full dependence upon his God.
Mat 7 - Jesus did not claim that worshiping him was wrong. He said that an empty confession that he is Lord Jehovah is worthless.
1Ti - Jesus is the perfect mediator because he is both God and human, and thus can bring both parties together in himself.
Gal 3:20 - Paul contrasts the promise given to Abraham with the Law. CONTEXT (JWs cannot grasp the concept or necessity of context). The Law was given through a mediator (Moses) to the people, but the promise given to Abraham was given directly by God when he appeared to Abraham in Gen 12. This verse destroys the JW argument that God can't be seen because God is saying that he didn't use a mediator when he gave the promise to Abraham.
None of these verses preclude Jesus from being God. Read the CONTEXT.
If the only begotten son of God was able to become human then why could he not have been an angel at any point in the history of our universe?
I wouldn't say that he *couldn't* have become an angel, theoretically speaking. The question I'm more interested in is what *did* he actually do in history. And according to the Bible, he became a man, rather than an angel.
@@theologywithseth The pre-human Jesus was the angel in the burning bush, an angel with God’s name.
You cooked in this video
Sometimes the Word really brings it out of me! Thank you for watching
I love Jesus Christ so very much and I am a ex jw
Mark 7:19
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
19 since it enters, not into his heart, but into his stomach, and it passes out into the sewer?” Thus he declared all foods clean.
Acts 10:15
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
15 And the voice spoke again to him, the second time: “Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”
These two versus proves Jesus is God since He made all foods clean and He told Peter "Stop calling the defiled the thing God has cleansed" which not only make Jesus God but Jesus calls himself God.
@@ryanrevland4333 It says that Jesus declared food clean, and later it says that God cleansed food
*Shhh* 🤫... *Let The Gospels Speak!* 📖
• *John 10:33* - After the Jewish Leaders attempted to stone Jesus, accusing him of *making himself "God"* (KJV) ... Why did Jesus correct them by saying, *"I said I am God's Son?"* (verse 36)
• Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12)
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]*
*[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]*
• *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know?
*(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
• *John 14:28* - Jesus says, *"The Father is Greater than [I am]."*
(ISV, GWT, CEV, NWT, NLT)
• *Luke 1:32 & 35* - Why does the Angel Gabriel call Jesus *Son of the Most High?*
• *John 20:28* - After *Thomas* said, *"My God & My Lord,"* ...
Why does *"vs 31"* say "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, *THE SON OF GOD?* *(Not God The Son)*
• *Matt. **16:15**,16* - When Jesus asked, *"Who do U say I am,* ... Why did Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, *THE SON OF THE LIVING God?”* *(Not God the Son)*
• *John 5:19* - Jesus says: *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."*
________________
*Plz show me these Spurious-Slogans-N-Scripture?* 🤔
• *God The Son*
• *"Co-Equel Essence [or Substance] of God"*
• *"Holy Trinity"*
Unitarians attempt to use Jesus’ words in John 10:34-38 to claim that Jesus was correcting the Jew’s misconception that he was claiming to be God. This is a monumental failure to comprehend the text.
The Jewish leaders asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Christ (or “Messiah”). The Jews had a misconception about what the Messiah would be and “most were eagerly awaiting a political messiah who would overthrow the harsh Roman rule,”(1) so Jesus couldn’t give a simple yes/no answer. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God who was doing the work of his Father. Yes, Jesus’s claim to be one with the Father was a claim of ontological identity with the Father.(2) The “Father and Son are indistinguishable in purpose and nature but distinguishable in person. As in 8:58, Jesus’ claim here forms a climax to a discourse and prompts an attempt to stone him to death.”(3)
The Jews called God their Father (Joh 8:41) but they recognized that Jesus was claiming a unique status when he claimed that he and the Father were one (10:30). They rightly understood that Jesus claimed to be God but misunderstood the claim as a breach of monotheism. Remember the context of the passage, this is the feast of dedication. The Seleusian ruler Antiochus IV claimed to be God, stopped Jewish worship in the temple and sacrificed a pig to Zeus-which led to the Maccabbean revolt, and eventually the reclaiming and rededication of the temple (of which this feast in John 10 commemorates). However, unlike Antiochus, “Jesus’ claim did not imply that he was a second God alongside, and in addition to, God the Father (ditheism), but that his deity was to be accommodated within the framework of Jewish monotheism in such a way that the one and only God affirmed in the Shema could be subsumed under the notion of Father, Son, and Spirit-three in one-being God.”(4)
When Jesus was about to be stoned, he asked them for their judgment. They responded by saying that Jesus, a man, was making himself God (10:33). The irony is that John’s reader knows something these characters don’t-Jesus _is_ God (Joh 1:1, 18). “Jesus is ‘not a human making himself God, but God already made human,’ as the reader knows from 1:14.”(5)
Now, Jesus employs a rabbinical argument of the lesser to the greater. If people could be called “gods” (θεοί) because God had placed them in roles of authority (Psa 82, Exo 7:1), if lessor mediators could be called “gods,” how could “they accuse him-the One and Only Son sent by the Father-of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God?”(6) Jesus pointed out that his works confirmed his identity. Jesus’ statement is not a claim that everyone can be called “god,” but that the scriptures supported those whom God had placed in the role of God, ie. designated roles of authority, to be called “god.” Nor is Jesus’ statement a denial that he is God, but that he is justified to be called the “Son of God” because of his ontological identity with the Father (10:30; which falls under the framework of monotheism) which his works bear testimony to. Jesus is saying, if lessor people can be called “god” (a greater title than “Son of God”) because of the position of authority they have been given, they can't object to him claiming to be the Son of God, which is not a title that makes him a second god in addition to God, though it does identifies him as Yahweh, it conforms to the Jewish sense of monotheism. If people don't believe that he’s the second person of Yahweh, look at his works, they confirm who he claimed to be.
(1) Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus, 2nd Edition : A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020), 175.
(2) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, Feast of Dedication.
(3) Harris, John, Feast of Dedication.
(4) Andreas J. Köstenberger, A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters : The Word, the Christ, the Son of God (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2009), ePub, Jewish Monotheism.
(5) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 827.
(6) Strauss, Four Portraits, 263.
Congratulations Seth !!! hello from greece...... for someone who speaks greek and has studied koine greek, everything in the bible is so simple, understandable, obvious and undeniable......
The word trinity is simply a theological term to describe what the scriptures reveal to us in thousands of verses........ Jesus is the one and only God who became man.......
As for the nwt........I'm disgusted..... keep up the good work you are doing.....greetings from Thessaloniki,
Greece .......
Thank you so much for your encouraging words! I totally agree with you. God bless you!
Good video, as the next JW this is helpful to me. But I wanted to question you on one thing. You asked the question can anyone but an infinite God pay for infinite sin, therefore needing God himself to come and sacrifice himself which is the common orthodox view?
My answer is anything that God determines that we need to accept to cover our sin is sufficient
I make the point in a very way, but God could tell us to go touch a fruitcake in the desert, and you are then forgiven because he has determined that is what is required and it would be so
God himself does not need to die to cover the infinite assign that value to anything or anyone he wants to, so it is reasonable to say he could pick up or even at a perfect man or woman, or an animal, or a tree or an angel or anything else he wanted us to do to pay that scene because in the end, what is really happening is God is forgiving the sin. It’s not about what is exchanged for that forgiveness, it’s about God granting value, and giving us instruction to accept that process that he has designed
So he could send the archangel down as a human and except this person and you will be safe
Because in the end, it’s all about God it’s not actually literally there’s an infinite exchange for infinite sin. This is a theological doctorate, but I don’t see that clearly anywhere in the Bible.
Hello Seth. Thanks for the video. I have a NWT bible as a study bible and in it there is an other way to show Jesus is Jehovah.
The Jews understood, that if you see Jehovah you will die. But in the bible, quit some people see Jehovah but do not die, for example Abraham (gen 18), Jacob Gen 32). Gideon (Judges 6) (and of course Adam and Eve, but that was in a non fallen world)
These people talk to “the Angle of the Lord”. Later, when Jehovah himself talks to people he is referring back to these moments as they have seen him and talked to him. So the Angle of the Lord is brought in direct connection with Jehovah.
If one believes in a trinity God this should not be a problem. The Angel of the Lord is Jesus:
Jehovah Angel of the Lord the Spirit of Jehovah
Father Son Holy Spirit
So those people see and talked to Jesus, who is Jehovah but is not deadly, just as Jesus walked on earth in the New Testament.
Jehovah is another name for Trinity. Jehovah is another name for Father. Messenger of Jehovah is another name for Jesus. Spirit of Jehovah is another name for Holy Spirit.
There is a CLEAR distinction between the one who was, who is not, and is yet to be and the one who was, who is, and who shall be.
The one who became dead fits the pattern with the beast who was, but is not, yet shall be
Many people are misled by the one who was, who is not, and yet shall be. Many marvel after him and say "who is like this one? and who can do battle with him?"
And yet their eyes remain blind.
May the Eternal One who was, who is, and who shall be open the eyes and hearts of those seeking truth.
JW's seem to think that Christians believe in the Trinity because we want to. This is not the reason. If not for the Bible, we would not. There are seven facts that become clear when all of Scripture is accounted for, not just a few cherry picked, out-of-context verses.
1.There is One God.
2.The Father Is God.
3.The Son Is God.
4.The Spirit Is God.
5.The Father is not the Son.
6.The Son is not the Spirit.
7.The Spirit is not the Father.
The reason for the Trinity doctrine is that Christians submit to the text. The term "Trinity" may not be in the Bible, but the idea is expressed within. The Church Fathers of the second century attempt to explain this relationship in their writings, but they do not do a great job without the language of the Trinity. The term "Trinity" is coined to give a word for the relationship of the Godhead, a relationship we cannot fully comprehend. In the Church, ontology developed to define the relationship further, with the terms "person" and "hypostasis". This attempts to explain what the Three are.
Not three beings, but One Being. Not three gods, but One God. And yet, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. But They Are all God in full.
Desiring ease, some people want to confine God to their comprehension, hence modalism, tritheism, partialism, and unitarianism. They say that the Trinity is impossible, that God becoming human and dying is impossible, thus they deny the Greatness of YHWH's boundless Power, His ability to Be any way He chooses.
To deny the Greatness of the Lord for your own ease of comprehension is prideful. We are human. Just as Adam ate the fruit, so to would any of us. In knowing good and evil, the standard of God is upon us. We are damned.
But YHWH made a way. He came down as man, lived, taught, and suffered a most unjust, humiliating and torturous death to pay the price of our sins. The Good Shepherd resurrected, that we would have hope beyond the grave. He ascended and sent the Spirit to us, that we may be sanctified by His redeeming work. The Son Will return.
All we need do, is place our trust in His redeeming sacrifice, accept the Gift freely given. YHWH Saves.
The ONE thing you missed saying is the fact that THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER!
@@djparsons7363
1. Will Durant was an Atheist. Lol.
05/06/2015 America Magazine entitled article: An Examined Life, here are his own words:
““I am prepared to have you put me down as an atheist, since I have reluctantly abandoned belief in a personal and loving God. But I am loathe to leave the word God out of my life and creed.”, adding that he was “a Christian in the literal and difficult sense of sincerely admiring the personality of Christ and making a persistent effort to behave like a Christian.”
So not sure that would be one u would want to quote as an expert. It’s like The JW Religion quoting Johannes Greber as an authority for their translation of John 1:1 b/c he was a former Catholic Priest, only to find out he was a Spiritist & he believed the spirits spoke w/ him to change that passage.
2. Do u realize that quote from The Dictionary from Religious Knowledge by Lyman Abbot (1875) was grossly misquoted by many non-Trinitarians from Charles T Russell, Henry Tabor, Larry Yates, Muslims, Christadelphians, etc.?
Yeah, that’s not the full quote; they cherry picked & published only the partial of the full statement, giving the appearance this scholarly book agreed w their position.
This is the first part of Abbot’s quote:
“In the first ages of the Christian Church the followers of Christ were so much engaged in controversy with the Gentile world on the one hand, and with the Jewish world on the other, that they gave very little time or thought to the attempt to frame their faith into one consistent and harmonious system. It is certain, however, that from the apostolic times they paid worship to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, addressed to them their prayers, and included them in their doxologies.”
The non-Trinitarians skipped that, & partially quoted the 2nd portion which stated:
“It was not till the beginning of the fourth century that the question began to be elaborately discussed how this practice, and the experience out of which it sprung, should be formed into a doctrine, and reconciled with the belief of the Church in one God. Out of the endeavor to solve this problem sprang the doctrine of the Trinity. Precisely what the doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among themselves.”
They skewed his complete quote by focusing on this portion, & teaching it as a Bible scholar disagreed with the notion of The Trinity.
These same ones completely ignored Abbot’s conclusion which stated:
“It is not possible for the human intellect to comprehend fully the divine nature. The Bible represents God to us as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It represents them as equally entitled to our highest reverence, affection, and allegiance. It attributes to all the same divine qualities. It even uses these titles at times interchangeably. We are to accept reverently the teaching of the Scripture in respect to their relation to us, and to pay them equal honor, and render to them equal obedience, while we leave the relation which they sustain to each other and in the eternal Godhead, among the unsolved and insoluble mysteries of the divine being-the hidden things which belong unto God.”
He further stated that b/c traces of the Trinity can be found in other heathen nations like Hindooism, Persian, Egyptian, Roman, Indian, Japanese, & Greek mythologies, both TRINITARIANS AND THEIR OPPONENTS DERIVE two different conclusions. The one sees in it an evidence that God has “diffused and perpetuated the evidence of this doctrine throughout the successive periods of time,” while THEIR OPPONENTS conclude that it is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith.
THAT’s the full context of that dictionary, & quite frankly, WTBTS has a habit of either partially or completely misquoting sources. My best advice to u, and I say this is a former born in JW Elder, when u see a quote from the organization in any publications & u see either “…” or just a blanket statement, go to a library, find the source & read for urself.
That’s called misrepresentation, & it would behoove u to do research outside what the Org provides, or see the source itself. There’s a high chance u would be absolutely shocked at how many misquotes we were given.
@@djparsons7363 Exactly which pagan source was it adopted from?
Is it the trimurti? Which is later than the Trinity and is more like modalism?
Is it a generic pagan triad, which more resembles tritheism or arianism?
Is it the three pure ones? From China, far removed from where the Trinity was first described and more like modalism?
Was it the neoplatonic triad? Another later development more like arianism?(Since neither the world spirit nor the demiurge are fully divine)
Exactly where did Christians take the Trinity from?
And exactly why did the pre-Nicene Church Fathers, who so opposed paganism, decide to adopt a supposedly pagan idea?
@@djparsons7363 Also you failed to address his second point. You didn't even address his first point well. It's like you just read the first line.
@@djparsons7363 Can you show me an example of 1 god in 3 eternal, co-existing, and fully divine persons being in paganism?
"4 For whatsoever is born of Elohiym overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Yahusha is the Son of Elohiym?" Yochanon Ri'shon (1 John) 5:4-5
YES YES YEA
At Matthew 3:17 it states that at jesus's baptism he came up from the water and then the heavens opened and a voice from the heavens said " this is my son, the beloved, whom i have approved" 🤔
Agreed! That's a powerful passage demonstrating the distinction in Personhood between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
@@theologywithsethAnd why would God from heaven “approve” a distinct person who is the same being than Himself? Didn’t Jesus know that already as He is One with the Father. It couldn’t have been for show, as besides John the Baptist (the Bible doesn’t even explicitly say if John perceived this was happening) - nobody was witnessing this!
@@GsWitnessthe father simply a proved him because he was being baptized and living out the perfect life that Jesus set out for us. The son only did the what was from the father’s will on earth in order to bring him glory! What great diligence and discipline our savior has!
@@rileyGTG I totally agree - my point is: all this display is very odd (at best) if Jesus were a person of the “triune” God. If we accept Jesus as an individual person and being, distinct from the person/being of God the Father, Him(Jesus) being approved as the Son of God, by the Father who is “the only true God” (John 17:3) while not sharing the same essence but being 2 distinct/separate beings makes much more sense - wouldn’t you agree? Otherwise we have a perfect being (God the Father) approving his own perfect being (the Son) through the same perfect being (the Holy Spirit coming down as a dove) - I find it very strange/absurd that a perfect almighty being would approve Himself through Himself! That this is a seriously broad accepted Theology is beyond me!
@@GsWitness yeah so Jesus isn’t an “individual being”, he is a distinct hypostasis that is eternally begotten of the father. And no one disagrees that the father is the only true god. The reason Jesus is god is because he partakes in the father’s essence; same with the Holy Spirit.
Even the father calls Jesus god in hebrews 1:8 ”But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
And the fact that Jesus is worshiped by many people throughout the New Testament, ex: Thomas
”Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”“
John 20:28-29
And them being one being is clearly affirmed throughout all of John, like how the son has everything the father has, and how the father created everything through the son and in the spirit. How genesis says let US make man kind in our image; the fact that Isaiah calls the son of god the “arm” of god (referring to the father”, John 10, 1 John 5:7, etc.
”For there are three that bear witness in heavens: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one….
I John 5:7 NKJV
“Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord! Awake as in the ancient days, In the generations of old. Are You not the arm that cut Rahab apart, And wounded the serpent? Are You not the One who dried up the sea, The waters of the great deep; That made the depths of the sea a road For the redeemed to cross over?”
Isaiah 51:9-10 NKJV
The fact the whole New Testament affirms Jesus is equal to god and in the “form of god”, that god manifested in flesh.
”Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.“
Philippians 2:5-8 NKJV
”And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.“
I Timothy 3:16 NKJV
”Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.“
John 5:18 NKJV
And if you want to know how the Holy Spirit is god, this is a good article to consider reading! www.str.org/w/the-holy-spirit-is-god
I do not understand how the trinity works at all, but I do believe that Yeshuah is out God almighty has been revered from ancient times under different titles and in His coming He fulfilled every prophecy given to the point. In Isaiah even says that we are bought with His blood well only one being shed blood for us
Use John 5:23
The NWT needs a 2027 revision!
@13:55 Hebrews 1 "You are my son; today I have become your father" is rather interesting because it implies an adoption, it implies there was a time before Jesus became the Son of God and that God wasn't always a Trinity. It definitely does away with God's immutability because God informs the angels that He wasn't always a father. I never realized how problematic these verses are.
Sorry, but you are ignorant of the fact that Heb 1 is dealing with the two natures of Christ. He is the divine, eternal Son in Heb 1:2, and the Messianic, Davidic son in v. 5. "You are my son, today I have fathered you," is a coronation speech from Psalm 2:7 in which God declares that the Davidic heir has become his "son," ie is now the king of his people. When the eternal Son became human, he was heir to the Davidic throne. He received his coronation when he suffered upon the cross and then was exalted to the right hand of God to reign as the Davidic ruler.
If you did just a little research and tried reading a commentary on Hebrews, you would have known this.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Maybe I just don't find the commentary very credible. Psalm 2:7 is personal, the quoted person declares that God calls him his Son. Let that sink in for a while, because if that person was Jesus then he was recorded in a psalm from the time of king David centuries before he incarnated.
Psalm 2:7 is originally about Solomon but was a coronation Psalm to all subsequent Davidic kings. The king of Israel was called, "God's son."
Jesus is the King of Israel par excellence, and thus, as the Messiah is "God's son" par excellence.
This doesn't affect the Trinity. The second person of the triune God was eternally the Son of God.
Your problem is that you don't comprehend that "son of God" can be used in different contexts.
It's just a bad translation. Original says "You are my Son; today I have begotten you", with "begotten" meaning being appointed for a task, as Paul says in Acts 13:33
@@kevinfromcanada4379Hi kelvin,..I love your exegesis...how can I msg you to get some scriptural mentorship
Agreed with you method, gotta use NWT itself to debunk JW's teaching
It definitely helps! That way, they can't use the excuse that our Bibles are "mistranslated" or anything
I wrote this in my Bible a few weeks ago
Jesus is God! Use scripture to interpret scripture.
Isaiah 14:4, 44:6, and 48:12 all state that God is the first and the last
Revelation 1:17-18, 2:8 state Jesus is the same, and the one who died and is alive.
If Jesus is not God, then He cannot claim that He is the first and the last. If God is not Jesus, then He cannot claim that He died.
I couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks for sharing
Do you know how to read,
@davidvasquezcalero1053 Yes, I know how to read. I use scripture to interpret scripture as well
Hello! John 1:1 KJV is God's own word Psalm 33:6 KJV and the Lord scripture speaks of is Isaiah 26:4 KJV and Isaiah 12;2 KJV
Hello! God Almighty Exodus 6;3 KJV
In relation to Hebrews 1:5, if you read the passage immediately preceding, it says: "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs". Then comes the passage you mention that starts with: "For example to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?...". How can Jesus "become better than the angels" in the sense that he has "inherited a name more excellent than theirs" if he was not an angel to begin with?
Taken in context, Hebrews 1:5 gives an example of this exalted status of Jesus by saying "For example to which one of the angles [implying Jesus is one] has God did God every say...". So when read in context, it does not seem to me that it is a rethorical question, but rather a continuation of the previous sentence that states that Jesus became greater than the angels...
Never thought of it that way👍👍
Hebrews takes up the theme of the superiority of Christ.
In vv. 1-2 we have the eschatological revelation of God found in the person of the Son. The eschaton anticipates the Davidic King-Messiah, and the writer announces that the Son is the one whom the Father “has appointed heir of all things.” This is a citation from Psalm 2:7, which is an enthronement speech of the Davidic King-Messiah, to whom God promises to give the heathen to him as an inheritance (ie. he will rule over all). So this Son is human, yet in the very next clause the writer says, “through whom also he created the world,” demonstrating that this Son is also the pre-existent eternal Son who made everything in the first place.
In v. 3 the writer says that the Son is “the radiance of the glory of God,” ie, the visible manifestation of God. He is also the “the exact imprint of his (God the Father’s) nature,” ie, everything that God the Father is by nature, the Son is. Finally, the writer says that the Son “upholds all things by the word of his power,” ie, he sustains all things while he himself is sustained by no one.
Then the writer says, “After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” The Son is not only the Davidic King-Messiah of Psalm 2, he is also the High Priestly-King of Psalm 110.
In v. 4 the writer tells us that the Son is superior to angels (ie. he isn’t an angel, let alone Michael), having received a name (or reputation) so much greater than theirs. This echoes the name Jehovah sought to make for himself with the redemption of Israel from Egypt. The Son received the same reputation for his redemption of Christians.
In v. 5 the writer again cites the enthronement speech of the Davidic King from Psalm 2: “You are my son …,” rhetorically asking, did he ever say this to an angel? The answer is no, this was only said to humans-thus, Jesus is both human and God.
In v. 6 the writer uses the word “firstborn” saying, “when he again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: And let all God's angels worship him” (NWT 1970 ed.). _The Watchtower_ May 15, 1954 pp. 317-319 rightly recognizes that this is a citation from Psalm 97:7 and Deu 32:43.
Psalm 97 is the enthronement of Jehovah as King of Israel. Jesus is the “firstborn” of Psalm 89:27, the son of David who is given the position as “the highest of the kings of the earth.” (NWT) By citing Psalm 97 and applying it to Jesus, the writer to the Hebrews is saying that Jesus is Jehovah, the “firstborn” in rank who is enthroned as the King of Israel and as King of kings (Rev 19:16).
In Deu 32, Jehovah is presented as the warrior king. He is the “I AM” (v. 39 LXX), the same whom Jesus claimed to be in John 8:58. He is the one who has the power to kill and give life, just as Jesus claimed in John 5:21. He is the one whom no one can deliver out of his hand, just as Jesus claimed in John 10:28. _The Watchtower_ May 15, 1954 pp. 317-319 again rightly points out that in “the Septuagint Version of Deuteronomy 32:43, the opening part of which reads: “Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him.” Hebrews is consistent with Colossians in presenting “firstborn” as a position of rank, not chronology. Furthermore, Hebrews 1:6 is even more emphatic in is citation of Psalm 97:7 and Deu 32:43 that “firstborn” is a title of rank that is given to Jehovah, the enthroned King of Israel-who is identified as Jesus.
In v. 7 the writer contrasts the transitoriness of angels in contrast to the eternality of the Son (see especially v. 12).
In vv. 8-9 the writer shows the contrast of the Son to angels. Angels are servants, but the Son is God and King.
In vv. 10-12 the writer cites a Jehovah passage (psalm 102:25-27) and says that the Son is the Jehovah who created all things. Creation is finite but the Son is eternal.
In vv. 13-14 the writer again contrasts the Son to angels. He never told an angel to sit at his right hand to rule with him, that privilege is reserved exclusively for the divine/human Son. The Son is Lord, angels are servants.
Vv. 2:1-4 is a warning against rejecting the salvation that has been offered.
In vv. 2:5, the writer says, “For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.”
(ESV). Well if God the Father didn’t put an angel in charge, who did he put in charge? A human! The _man,_ Jesus the son of David.
In vv. 6-9 we are told of Jesus' descent, though God by nature, he _was_ made lower than angels but is now crowned with glory and honor (ie. is greater than angels) because he suffered death for all people, and all things have been made subject to him. But if God the Father didn’t subject the world to angels, but he subjected it to Jesus, then can Jesus be an angel? No! That’s the whole point the writer is making-Jesus is God and human, but he is not an angel.
V. 16 says that Jesus’ concern was not for angels but for the descendants of Abraham (ie. humans), which is why God the Son became a human, not an angel.
And because God the Son became human, he can sympathize with the frailty of humans and can be the perfect high priest who can intercede on our behalf with God.
Hebrews 1-2 is emphatic that Jesus is not an angel, let alone Michael the archangel.
Then why wouldn’t Michael rebuke Satan when arguing over the body of Moses when Jesus never hesitates to rebuke him? And if not rhetorical, where else in the Bible does God exalt an angel?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 thank you for your detailed answer. One question, how do you explain Hebrews 1:9 where it says “your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions”? How could the Angels be Jesus’ “companions” if Jesus is God?
@@pearlytiger564 sorry I don’t get the reference. Can you provide the verses?
0:50 isn’t Michael the commander of heaven’s army? And according to psalm 80, the commander of heaven’s army is the Lord.
Plus I’m pretty sure in the book of Joshua, the commander is the angel of the Lord, but the angel of The Lord is the Lord himself…
Maybe Michael is an archetype or maybe it’s another name given to the commander of heaven’s army as a prophetical name, just like … if I remember correctly, Emmanuel is the prophetical name of the messiah…
Michael came to help the only one that stands for Israel
First!!
Glad you're here!
Thank you for your vídeo.
But I must say that there's a very common confucionismo made by religious people who triy to protected the false idea about a triune god.
The Bible is absolutely clear for Hebrews, not for western guys like us
So, it's very important to learn how Hebrews think about many things for a better understanding.
The Creator is, and we finish it saying "spirit" (for the lack of the words).
This spirit created everything.
This same spirit is HOLY.
This same spirit came to a certain woman (remember Gn 6?) and provoke a man existence...
Só, a man started to exist. Therefore, this man is called "son of the spirit that created everything and is HOLY. And, just like any creature, the man created in thi process, is the father in a new version.
In this case, a spirit tha now has a body.
This spirit would lose that body to be spread and then has bodies.
I am trying to make you have a different point of view...
...so you can read the Bible without the doctrines from the religious system.
Jesus literally means “Jehovah is salvation”.
Please show me in the scriptures where Jesus is God's representative
I've always wondered how someone who reads the bible (I'm assuming you read the bible) can ask such a question?
1 Timothy 2:5
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.
I’m kinda late to the show so how does Isaiah 43:10,11 work with psalm 82:6?not attacking looking for understanding.
Great question. That's what people who teach the trinity unfortunately miss... the fact there are many "gods", yet one Almighty God.
The scriptures show this over and over again...
Here's an example:
1cor8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many;
6yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
See the distinction Paul makes here between the false gods "called" gods, and the other real gods, ie the angels, Jesus, Satan etc.
Then he shows who is the Supreme God, the one we are to worship- the Father.
Jesus told us to worship his God, the Father.
Most ignore that and worship the son.
Sadly, as Jesus always directed worship to his God and Father.
@@FrankLee-gq8yc 1 Corinthians 8:6 wouldn’t that state you have two Gods and two Lords for both are perfect and both are present at the beginning as stated in John1:1 plus both are posted as being the truth?
@agalaxychild2 Exactly. Paul here is differentiating between false gods, other gods (ie angels etc) and the only true God, the Father.
Jehovah is the Father. (Isa64:8)
He rightfully expects exclusive worship. Ex20:2 (ASV) I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me
This includes good gods, like Jesus, like the angels.
Jehovah's Witnesses worship only Jehovah God, the Father.
That's what Jesus said Christians who know the God they worship would do
Joh4:21-24
The problem with the Trinity is that it is not Biblical, no matter how hard you try to read it in.
Because an example:
*1 Corinthians 8:4-6*
Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.
For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
there is actually *to us one God, the Father,* from whom all things are and we for him;
Than you have a clear link of the Father, who seeks worship and the Holy Spirit in. *John 4:23, 24.*
But according to the Trinity this is not supposed to work, because the Father is not to be equated with the Spirit.
"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers *will worship the Father* with spirit and truth,
for indeed, the *Father is looking* for ones like these *to worship him.*
24 *God is a Spirit,* and those *worshipping him* must worship with spirit and truth.”
Also the Son has become the Spirit as it says in *1 Corinthians 15:45.*
Than for example on the origin of Jesus, which was already so nicely presented in *John 1* context.
*Psalm 110:3* Wycliffe (here is what it says about Christ's beginnings, and it does not include praying to or worshipping the saints):
The beginning is with thee in the day of thy virtue, in the brightnesses of saints; I begat thee of the womb, before the day star.
(From the beginning, thy strength was with thee, and from that day thou hast shone in the brightness of the saints; yea, I begat thee from the womb, before the day star.
But I believe that its clear that Christ is the beginning of God's Creation.
Regarding Lets all of God's angels worship/do obeisance to him? *Hebrews 1:5-6*
How about *Mathew **4:10* where its written,
"For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship,
and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
And how can you say that Christ's name is above God's name?
If *1. Corinthians 15:27* says
*For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But* when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’
it is evident that *this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.*
How can you love God with whole mind and in all strength and say that his name is less, than that of Jesus?
it says that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
Also the name Jesus points to Tetragrammaton regarding salvation.
I believe the Apostle Paul warns of assuming God's authority over ones own will. In *2 Thessalonians 2.*
That's why I am against the wide current, in place of travel security, for example flying.
I believe the prayer at least(not to Jesus) is in place so as to not end with *Jeremiah 17:5.*
but its better to stay on the ground, if one doesn't have to of course.
"This is what Jehovah says:
“Cursed is the man who puts his trust in mere humans,
Who relies on human power,
And whose heart turns away from Jehovah."
In 1Cor 8:6, Paul takes the Shema from the LXX (the same that Jesus quoted from in Mark 12:29) and applies it to BOTH the Father and the Son.
The Shema, from Deuteronomy 6:4 LXX is, Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεός), the Lord (κύριος) is one.’
In 1Corinthians 8:6, Paul Christianizes the Jewish Shema by glossing the title “God” (θεός) to the Father and Lord (κύριος) to the Son.
As David Garland says,
“The creedal statement καὶ ὅτι οὐδεὶς θεὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς (kai hoti oudeis theos ei mē heis, that no God [exists] except one) echoes the basic Jewish confession in the Shema (Deut. 6:4; 4:35, 39; Isa. 44:8; 45:5).... The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong…. Paul creatively christianizes the foundational Jewish monotheistic confession: ‘The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). He glosses the reference to Lord and God in that confession so that ‘God’ refers to the Father and ‘the Lord’ refers to Christ.”[1]
And as Gordon Fee says,
“Although Paul does not here call Christ God, the formula is so constructed that only the most obdurate would deny its Trinitarian implications. In the same breath that he can assert that there is only one God, he equally asserts that the designation ‘Lord,’ which in the Greek OT was used to replace the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and thus belongs singularly to the one God, is the proper designation of the divine Son.”
JWs make several errors: 1) they ignore the context, 2) they ignore the fact that Paul is citing the Shema and Christianizing it, 3) they ignore the fact that Kurios is used for the tetragrammaton, and 4) they are inconsistent. If Jesus can’t be God because Paul says that the Father is the Christian God, then the Father can’t be Kurios because Paul says Jesus is the Christian Kurios. Which would mean that the Father is a different God than the OT God.
When read in context, this passage is a powerful proclamation that Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God.
[1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
[2] Gordon D. Fee, The First Epistle to the Corinthians, Revised (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2014), ePub, 8:6
@@kevinfromcanada4379
there is actually to us One God AND One Jehovah? 😳😳😳
WOW !
@@aksk5770 Having trouble with the concept that both the Father and the Son are subsistences of the one God?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 *Acts 9:20* and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach about Jesus, that this one is the Son of God.
Yes, Peter did proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God... because he wasn't a polytheist like JWs-he didn't believe that Jesus was a distinct God from the Father. But that didn't prevent him from calling Jesus, "OUR God" in 2 Peter 1:1.
The title “Son of God” was used in a variety of ways in both the Bible and the Greco-Roman world. Angels are called “sons of God” (Job 1:6) and Adam is called “son of God” (Luk 3:38) because they were created. The nation of Israel is called God’s firstborn son (Exo 4:22-23) and Christian’s are called “sons of God” (Rom 8:14) because of redemption. Legendary heroes, kings, philosophers, and miracle workers were sometimes referred to as sons of God.[1] The title “Son of God” does not mean the same thing in every context but JW’s willfully ignore this and fail to distinguish them.
Jesus is the μονογενὴς υἱός (the only unique Son). Jesus is unique because he is neither created (like angels) nor redeemed (like Christians)-he is the uncreated creator (Heb 1:10-12) who himself is the redeemer (Gal 3:13). Rather, Jesus is unique because he is the Son of God by nature (ie. he is God).
Carson says, “Jesus is not the Son of God by virtue of being the ultimate Israel, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being the Messiah, the ultimate Davidic king, nor is he the Son of God by virtue of being a perfect human being. Rather, he is the Son of God from eternity, simultaneously distinguishable from his heavenly Father yet one with him”[2]
The Jews claimed to be sons of God (John 8:41), yet they understood that Jesus claimed a unique status as the Son of God-equality with God (John 5:18). His equality does not mean he is a separate god but shares in the identity of the one God-having the same nature.
The Father/Son language is anthropomorphic language to differentiate persons within the Godhead and to communicate how the Godhead interacts with itself. In the ancient near East (ANE) brother gods were rivals (cf. Egyptian gods Osiris and Set), so how could one send the other? Male/female or husband/wife gods always involved a sexual aspect to the relationship (cf. Egyptian gods Geb and Nut). Not to mention they were often dualistic. A Father/Son relationship tells us that they are equal as to nature, it is a loving but non-sexual relationship, honoring one is to honor the other. A son in the ANE had the same authority as the Father, could rule as co-regent, was owner of everything that was the fathers. A Father/Son relationship is the perfect way to communicate the relationship between the Father and Jesus. It also communicates the maxim we know “Like father, like son.” Jesus' imitation of the Father is absolute-EVERYTHING that the Father does, he does (John 5:19). No created creature could make that claim.
The title “Son of God” must be read in context since it is used in a variety of ways. The title applied to Jesus is used to differentiate his person from the Father while at the same time used to communicate that he possesses the same nature as the Father-placing him within the identity of the one God (ie. Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God).
[1] Mark L. Strauss, Mark : Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2014), ePub, ch. 1. [2] D.A. Carson, Jesus the Son of God : A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012), ePub, ch. 1.
Deut 6.4-6, Mark 12.28-32, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rom 15.6, Rom 16.27, I Cor 8.6, II Cor 11.31, I Tim 2.5, Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12.
Great. You've listed bible verses. I'm a trinitarian and I've read these several times.
SIMPLE,.. HUMANS ARE MADE IN GOD'S, IMAGE A TRINTY, WE HAVE A BODY,SOUL AND SPIRIT A TRINITY, .LET US(TRINITY) MAKE MAN IN OUR (A TRINITY)IMAGE
Wow... can i do a reaction video to this video?
If they are all God equal , then why not pray to the holy spirit God?
You can.
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with praying to the Son or the Holy Spirit.
@@theologywithseth wrong
Luke 11:1-4 (NIV). Jesus said
“He said to them, 'When you pray, say: Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come Give us each day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
The Bible tells you to pray to God the father only.
Because God is the only true God.
Jesus said my father is greater than I and greater than all.
Jesus also said that people could pray to him (John 14:14). Why? Because he is God, the second person of the triune God. While there are no examples of people praying to the Holy Spirit, logic tells us that it is permissible since he is a person of the triune God.
IL BATTESIMO CRISTIANO È VALIDO SOLO SE COME DICE LA BIBBIA: NEL NOME DEL PADRE, DEL FIGLIO E DELLO SPIRITO SANTO !
LA SALVEZZA È SOLO NEL NOME DEL SIGNORE GESÙ CRISTO !
The last part of this video
JW believe a perfect person Adam sinned and we needed a perfect person Jesus to pay a ransom for our forgiveness
But we still have to work to gain or show our faith
The idea of infinite holiness and infinite sins is new to me
As a JW
Hi @FirstGenWealth, thank you for sharing your perspective with me. That surprises me that the idea of infinite holiness isn't emphasized in JW theology. I get that doctrine from many places in Scripture, but especially Isaiah 6:3 where it refers to God as "Holy, Holy, Holy". No other attribute of God is repeated in a threefold manner like that. That's basically the Jews' way of saying that this attribute is ultimate and worthy to be emphasized to the highest degree. God is unfathomably holy- so much so that were it not for His mercy, we would be instantly annihilated in His presence. That's why it takes a sacrifice of infinite worth to appease His wrath.
@@theologywithseth JW believes God is holy
I meant the idea of putting the 2 together
Infinitely holy thus infinitely sin
They do say no human can pay for our sins because all humans come from adam thus we r all imperfect just like Adam became after sinning
Now to get forgiveness a sacrifice was required and only a perfect person can be able to pay it thus Jesus who was perfect is the only person or creature who could pay the price
I don’t know if I’m making sense
Since u said only God can pay for infinity sin
JW say a perfect person was needed to pay
Because Adam was perfect before sinning
Jehovah's witnesses that are considered to be inactive are still considered as saved members of their congregation. They are not told that they must continue to do anything for you their salvation to remain valid. All that happens is the elders will encourage them to go back to the congregation and put in service.
@@FirstGenWealth What's interesting is that in the book of Ezekiel Jehovah makes no distinction between the perfect or sinful condition of a man when he says that no man can stand in place for the sins committee by another.
@@jordanvseverybody7346 this is wrong
elder visit, they tell the inactive person come back to Jah, Aka back to ur salvation You are a dead man walking if u become inactive
JW recent new light saying people who are inactive or disfellowshipped can come back to Jah at the last minute and still be saved key points Going back if u remain inactive, you dead the elders prefer u to remain inactive but technically still a member Because the moment u get ur act straight and join a church then u become double dead meaning even the small chance of coming back is gone because u have become an apostate
Like all of us here
In 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 it mentions there is “no God but one” “so called Gods” “one God the father” “one lord Jesus Christ” what is your understanding of these texts that refutes the Trinity doctrine? Can also reference (Psalm 82:1) (Psalm 82:6) (John 10:34,35)
Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, *we know* that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Cor. 8:4-6 ESV)
JWs seem to be utterly blinded by their father the Devil as to what this passage is saying, so let me s-l-o-w-l-y walk through it.
Paul says,
WE (Christians) know that an idol (ie, gods that are represented by an image) has no real existence. Why are false gods not real? Because WE (Christians) know that “there is NO God except one.” Now, this couldn’t be more clear but for some reason Paul’s language is confusing for simple JWs. Paul is saying that there is only one God, not lots of gods like pagan JWs claim.
So, Christians can eat meat offered to the pagan god Artemis because she isn’t real. Even though there are many “so called” gods like Artemis, she isn’t a real God. Yes, there were many gods worshiped in Corinth, like Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, etc., but unlike pagan JWs, Christians don’t believe they were real gods. Christians believe “there is no God but one.”
Paul takes the Greek Shema (Deu 6:4) Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεὸς), the Lord (κύριος) is one, and glosses the title “God” (θεὸς) to the Father and “Lord” (κύριος) to the Son, Christinizing the Shema by including Jesus within the identity of the one Lord God.[1]
Paul tells us at the very beginning that “there is no God but one,” yet you claim that Paul believed there were multiple gods. Clearly, you aren't born-again. You aren't a child of God but a child of the Devil who misrepresents the Bible, Paul, and Trinitarians, because dishonesty is part of your nature.
[1] See David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
26:46 honestly you hit it right on the head.
Its been a hot second since ive done any trinity deep dive, and from the first second of this video, i remembered that basically all the trinity is, is a way for apologists to make sense of the contradictions.
And dont worry, i know that it should be called the new world mistranslation. When i read the bible cover to cover it was my adventist mothers reina valera (dads the jw)
All the verses you used in this video really did remind me of those crucial contradtictions between what yaweh and jesus say lol.
Also im not sure how relevant this is but since it is a trinity, i believe that within the context of the bible, the holy spirit and god are one, but jesus is not, i had a pretty long conversation with some orthodox catholics a year ago about that, it was fascinating.
Also even if im not religious, anything that helps any jw stop being a jw is a win in my book, So thanks.
John 1.1.
The argument for the "a god" translation is that in this sentence construct the anarthrous predicate nominative lacks the article so is describing the Word, what the Word is, not identifying him, who the Word is. The translation "the Word was God" is a definite translation but there is no basis for this. The anarthrous predicate theos of John 1 1c is not definite. It is here, at John 1.1c, a 'what' word not a 'who' word. It is being used as a common noun rather than being specific(not ho theos). This is why some translate "the Word was divine." See the translations by James Moffatt or Edgar Goodspeed as examples of translators who opted for this. This translation, though it can be disagreed with, as there existed a Greek word meaning "divine", at least indicates that certain scholars are trying to show that John did not mean the logos "was God", that John was saying SOMETHING ELSE. Bible scholar and translator William Barclay wrote that this, the "was God" translaton, is 'more' than John meant. John Mckenzie in his Bible Dictionary says John 1.1c "should rigorously be translated, and the Logos was a divine being."
This is an indefinite translation as the NWT's is. As the English word "God" is a proper noun it is definite and so it is incorrect to translate the anarthrous theos *in this sentence construct* as if it is. As if it is ho theos. See Harners 1975 article in the JBL. Neither is the indefinite rendering polytheistic as a Jewish writer at this time, 1st century CE, such as John, could describe a being not ho theos but as theos and not denote polytheism if that theos is not a rival to or independent of the one true theos. (John says who the one true God is at 17.3. The Father). John distinguishes the Word of 1.1c from ho theos, the god, "God" of 1.1b in terms of theos. The Translator's NT says this is significant and gives the theos of 1.1c adjectival qualities. It hence does not translate the third clause "was God" but "shared his nature". This is not strictly a translation but an interpretative one but it will show you that "was God" does not accurately say what John wrote in his third clause. The New American Bible Study Edition in a note to John 1.1c correctly says that the anarthrous theos here is one of predication not identification. The English proper noun "God" is one of identification. It is an erroneous translation. It does not distingiush the Word from the theos, ho theos, he was "with"(Greek pros). John wrote that the Word was with ho theos, the god, "God" and then to go on to translate theos of 1.1c as "God" hides this distinction John himself makes and in fact smacks of Sabellianism. So what options in translation are there? Translating it with a proper noun(specific) is, from the above, wrong. It is inaccurate. But what is the difference between an adjective(ie such as "divine")and an indefinite (" a god") translation really? To illustrate. What is the difference between "I am human" where "human" is an adjective and "I am a human being" which is an indefinite noun phrase? If I have the qualities of the class "human" that would make me a member of the class human, a human. If I am a human I would have the qualities of the human class, be human. So back to John. John was putting the Word or Logos in the *class* theos, a member of that class or category, not identifying him as ho theos("God"). The NWT is perfectly correct to translate theos indefinitely at John 1.1c. It is the definite translations of theos in 1.1c which are erroneous and why others have given interpretative translations instead. See New English Bible/Revised English Bible, Good New Bible as examples of this approach, an approach that acknowledges John did not write "was God" at this place. (But they still wish it to accord with the man made post-NT Trinity doctrine)
Here is a little grammatical exercise for all you Trinitarians reading this. Substitute "the Logos"(an individual being) in John 1.1 by using "ho anthropos" instead which is the Greek word(in the nominative case) for "the man". Then translate all three clauses. I am positive you would translate the predicate anthropos("man")in the third clause indefinitely as "a man" not "the man".
᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ ἄνθρωπος
καὶ ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς
ἦν ὁ ἄνθρωπος
A word-for-word translation is:
In beginning was the man and the man was with the god and god was the man
A full translation would be:
In the beginning was the man and the man was with God and the man was a god.
Not
In the beginning was the man and the man was with God and the man was God
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This is incorrect. The correct translation of the 3rd clause would be, "and the man was a god." You have translated the anarthrous θεὸς as definite. There is no basis for this. No one would translate "the man was God"! The "a god" is correct because the 2nd clause distinguishes the man from the God he was with, by the occurence of πρὸς.
Hence, to translate "and the man was God," you lose that distinction that is there in the Greek. The anarthrous θεὸς in the predicate of the 3rd clause is not saying who the man was but *what* the man was. As the word "God" is a 'who' word, being in English, a proper noun that would identify the man as the same God he is distinguished from! Anyone not preconditioned by the Trinitarian translation of John 1.1 would never translate it, my Greek sentence, as you have done. And it is this, your adherence to Trinitarianism, apparently, that is holding you back from translating my Greek correctly. If you did translate it correctly, you would have demonstrated that John 1.1c *can* be translated, "and the Word was a god." That is the point of my exercise with my analogous Greek sentence. You can either translate it correctly or, because of not wanting to admit that John 1.1c can be rendered how the NWT and others have translated it, translate it incorrectly.
The translation "and the man was a god" is a literal translation.)
No one would translate it like this as no man is "God" but a man can be "a god". See Ps.82.5; John 10.33. Of course, the man is said to be "with God" and no one reading this would think that the man and God are not different beings but the man was not the God he was with. Likewise in John 1.1b, and v.2 where it is repeated, the Logos was "with God". Contextually and grammatically the best and simplest way to translate John 1.1c is "and the Word was a god."
Some trinitarians will try to say theos in 1.1c is purely "qualitative". But at the same time they claim the Word has the qualities of ho theos, of THE God. So they still consider here theos is definite which they deny! There is no such thing in the Greek as a qualitative noun that is also a concrete noun as theos is. There are abstract nouns but they are not definite and hence are not capitalised when translated into English. See 1 John 4.8 where "God is love." So if John was using theos in 1.1c qualitatively one would still translate as "a god" because a being with the qualities of theos, not ho theos, would have the qualities of a member of that class and those qualities naturally flow from the indefinite rendering into English as "a god" just as they would do when reading of a being who is said to be "a man." A reader would know all the qualities, human qualities, that a being that was "a man" would have. Likewise with the Logos or Word being theos(not ho theos).
First, you, clearly, didn't read Philip Harner's article in JBL, since he says that "a god" is wrong.
Second, "king" is a proper noun. Why does the NWT provide a qualitative translation in John 1:49???
Third, how should this sentence be translated: θεὸς γάρ ἐστιν ὁ ἐνεργῶν ἐν ὑμῖν καὶ τὸ θέλειν καὶ τὸ ἐνεργεῖν ὑπὲρ τῆς εὐδοκίας? θεος is an anarthrous predicate nominative, just like John 1:1.
“John’s Gospel opens with the majestic words, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…’ John asserts, in a striking exclamation point, that the Word was himself God. The reader is left to infer that there are two referents of θεός, God (the Father; John 1:14) and the Word (Jesus; John 1:17). John’s striking opening assertion sets up the question of Jesus’s identity that will dominate the rest of the entire Gospel, ultimately leading to Jesus’s crucifixion: the deity of Christ. In the original historical context, Jesus faces escalating opposition from the Jewish leaders who consider his claim blasphemy (5:17-18; 8:58-59; 10:30-33). Indeed, at Jesus’s trial, they tell Pilate the Roman governor, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He made Himself the Son of God’ (John 19:7).
In our day, too, there are those who dispute Jesus’s claim to deity, not least by challenging the conventional understanding of John 1:1, and here in particular the third phrase, ‘the Word was God’ (θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος). In part, the reason for this is that the word order is reversed, with the predicate nominative (θεός) preceding the subject (ὁ λόγος). Is it legitimate to infer from the lack of article in front of θεός that ‘God’ is indefinite and should be rendered ‘a god’? The answer is a firm ‘no.’ According to Greek syntax, it is common for a definite nominative predicate noun preceding a finite verb to be without the article. In this way, the subject (articular) is distinguished from the predicate nominative (anarthrous, i.e., without the article), yet without indicating that the latter is indefinite (as in ‘a god’). Of course, Jesus’s deity does not rest on this one verse (see, e.g., John 20:28), but a sufficient knowledge of Greek syntax saves the reader from drawing the wrong conclusion.”[1]
[1] Andreas J Köstenberger, Benjamin L Merkle, and Robert L Plummer, Going Deeper with New Testament Greek : An Intermediate Study of the Grammar and Syntax of the New Testament (Nashville, Tennessee: B & H Academic, 2020), 51-52.
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You are stuck on JW many denominations don't believe in Trinity. read Colossians 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-28. Have a good day
I've read them. Neither shows that Jesus is not God. I suppose if we ignore the context we can make it say what JWs claim, but we would have to disregard what Paul was saying. Want to look at the texts?
There is not a single Christian denomination that doesnt believe in the Trinity, because if you don't believe in the trinity, you're not a Christian.
Now to your other point Colossians 1:15 proves that Jesus IS God. It literally says "He is the image of the invisible God." The "Firstborn of all creation" part does not literally mean "born first". To be the firstborn in ancient culture meant you had the complete inheritance rights. It was more of a title than a description of birth order.
1 Corinthians 15 is not saying what you think it is saying. It specifies that Jesus is delivering the Kingdom to God the Father, which is completely coherent within trinitarian theology. The Father and the Son are one being, but different persons. They can, and do interact with one another.
4:50 "does that make sense?"
No, sorry.
"Not as I will, but as you will"... is that an option for the "one God"?
You believe these seperate "personages" have seperate "wills", or desires?
Sounds like seperate beings to me.
It just sounds like separate Persons to me. Now, if the Bible taught that there were multiple Gods, then you could certainly make your case. However, the Bible teaches that there is only one true God. Therefore, we have no choice but to acknowledge that this one true God must exist in three distinct Persons, which is exactly what I outlined in the video.
@theologywithseth does it though?
Or is it stating there is one God we are to WORSHIP?
1Cor8:6 "yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him."
Paul says this right after saying there are many "...so-called gods whether in heaven or upon earth,-" yes, many fake gods, but also "As indeed there are gods many and lords many"...
If there are many gods and lords, this harmonizes with 2cor4:4, where the "god of this age", Satan, is blinding most minds.
When Jesus categorically told that god, satan, in Luke4:8, "...It is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
Who was he referring to? Who is the God of Jesus? The father.
"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God."
His God's name is YHWH. We call him Jehovah, whatever the pronunciation, everyone in heaven praises Jah in heaven when they call out "hallelujah".
JW's try their best to imitate Jesus, he told us to exclusively worship, the ONLY true God. That is the God and Father of Jesus, Jehovah.
We should all listen to Jesus and do the same, wouldn't you agree?
Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, *we know* that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Cor. 8:4-6 ESV)
JWs seem to be utterly blinded by their father the Devil as to what this passage is saying, so let me s-l-o-w-l-y walk through it.
Paul says,
WE (Christians) know that an idol (ie, gods that are represented by an image) has no real existence. Why are false gods not real? Because WE (Christians) know that “there is NO God except one.” Now, this couldn’t be more clear but for some reason, Paul’s language is confusing for simple JWs. Paul is saying that there is only one God, not lots of gods like pagan JWs claim.
So, Christians can eat meat offered to the pagan god Artemis because she isn’t real. Even though there are many “so called” gods like Artemis, she isn’t a real God. Yes, there were many gods worshiped in Corinth, like Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, etc., but unlike pagan JWs, Christians don’t believe they were real gods. Christians believe “there is no God but one.”
Paul takes the Greek Shema (Deu 6:4) Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεὸς), the Lord (κύριος) is one, and glosses the title “God” (θεὸς) to the Father and “Lord” (κύριος) to the Son, Christinizing the Shema by including Jesus within the identity of the one Lord God.[1]
Paul tells us at the very beginning that “there is no God but one,” yet Franky claims that Paul believed there were multiple gods. Franky is a polytheist and isn’t born-again. He's been blinded by his father the devil and needs our prayers.
[1] See David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
@kevinfromcanada4379 nice reply. When you say JW's are blinded by the devil, do you mean we are blinded by the god of this age?
I obviously disagree, but it is interesting that Paul was so in error when he called satan a "god", as in a god, but not the only true God that Jesus spoke of .. maybe Jesus was confused too, and that's why he didn't say to satan "it is written, thou must worship me", or to Mary, "I am ascending to be myself, God".
Absolutely I agree, there are many useless idol gods, as Jehovah speaks of in isa45 and the useless potted clay, but as paul said, there are "many gods", aside from the "so-called gods".
Most choose to worship the other gods, even the obvious good one of John1:1... something he never asked for, and Jehovah specifically commanded against. Ex20:2,3
Franky,
Paul says, "Formerly when you (Christians) did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods at all"
(Gal. 4:8 NET).
Jehovah says about Jerusalem, "Your people have rejected me and have worshiped gods that are not gods at all" (Jer. 5:7 NET).
Notice that Jehovah says that these "gods" that people worship are not actually gods, though they are called gods.
Satan is called the "god of this age" becuase people have rejected the true God and taken a false god instead.
Paul makes it very clear that there are not "many gods," though there are many entities in the world called "god." Zeus, Artemis, etc are "gods" but Paul says they aren't actually gods. Christians know "there is no God but one."
JWs are polytheists who think there are many gods, unlike what the Bible says.
Nope. You're wrong. Your reasoning is flawed. Jesus wouldn't be known as the "Son of God" if he were the Almighty God. He is not Jehovah God. There's no way that Satan would approach Jesus and propose that Jesus bow down to him if he were Almighty. There's no way that Satan would offer the Kingdoms of this world to Jesus if he knew that Jesus were Almighty God. Jesus is an extension of Almighty God, making him divine and a god. Jesus is identified as God in scripture because he came to earth as a God's representative. Have you ever heard someone like a sheriff or an attorney say "i am the law"? This is figurative. They represent the law. Saying Jesus is God is conveying that God gave Jesus the authority to represent him while on earth. Jesus did not resurrect himself. Scripture shows that his father, our Almighty God, was responsible for his son's resurrection. Jesus taught the disciples to pray Our father who is heaven. He didn't teach them to pray to himself. Jesus prayed to God and said let your will be done.
Hello there! Several of the points in your comment were answered in my video (in fact, they were answered fairly early on). That tells me you didn't actually watch the video and just went straight to the comment section. If you're ever interested in actually learning about the Trinity, I'd love to dialogue with you! But if you refuse to give the other side a hearing, you won't be able to grow much as a believer. Also, while my video wasn't about the resurrection per se, I'd love for you to compare what you said in your comment with Jesus's words in John 2:19-21 and John 10:17-18! It might also help to compare it with other translations too. Cheers!
Jesus is Almighty revelation 1:7-8
Mark 6:50
John 20:28-29
Revelation 22:6-16
I encourage you to read from the Kingdom Interlinear. Every head must bow, every tongue must confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. Jesus is God, God is a Trinity, and the Watchtower cannot deny the divine.
@@dravendfr the Son was made Galatians 4:4 KJV
@@FxGC3 the Son was made Galatians 4:4 KJV Jesus is the human Son of God
Sorry Christians but the God of Israel does not die.
Not even during a three day vacation period.
That's why God had to become human. It's called the incarnation.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
God doesn’t have to do anything.
Neither does God go back on His word.
You Christians want to make God a human yet God’s character was never human.
In order to understand God’s character in which we can comprehend we must turn to Torah.
For example:
Numbers 23:19
“God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?”
This verse alone destroys the notion that neither is God a man, nor was Jesus or anyone else God.
Because according to the Christian doctrine (a Greek manuscript) Jesus is called a son of man 86 times. 86 times your claim is dismantled according to your own religion.
Again, instead, we turn to the original article.
1 Samuel 15:29
“Moreover the glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He is not human that He should change His mind.”
What is God’s opinion over the matter?
Hosea 11:9
“I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.”
What part do you not understand?
Stop trying to read in the Jesus character into TaNaKh. It just doesn’t exist. The Church deceived us and lied to us all.
As a Christian you are left claiming something that just isn’t there.
Incarnation has nothing to do with God’s existence. God is eternal, He has no form.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 Num 23:19 simply shows that God is not like humans-he doesn't lie, humans do. It does not say that God cannot become human.
1Sam 15:29 shows that humans are fickle people who change their minds. God is not fickle. This verse doesn't say that God cannot become a human.
Hosea 11:9 shows that God's wrath is not like humans. Humans may seek revenge out of a sense of betrayal but God does not. His purpose in executing wrath is to purify and restore. Again, this verse doesn't say that God cannot become a human.
My friend, you are ripping verses out of context to use as proof texts. That's not honest.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
You are creating your own eisegesis.
God does not go back on His word.
You have a preconceived notion of what God is through your Christian doctrine, which is completely false.
God’s first three commandments explicitly states that you shall not have any carved images of anything, this includes both physical and mental. Otherwise you are creating your own image of God.
Exodus 20:3-5
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[b] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me…”
As it turned out, your Christian God has been a carved image of all sorts, both physical and mentally for over two millennia now.
What a conundrum for Christendom.
You can’t rewrite TaNaKh Christian.
You are simply reading in the Jesus character and creating a replacement theology created by the over 45,000 different denominations which are all divided amongst themselves with different opinions.
God clearly states that you are creating God in a human form to your own liking whenever you create an image in your mind and as a physical object.
You read each verse that I quoted by mixing and matching and then putting in your own thoughts that are not in line with Torah.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
The context is clear.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.”
Christendom has claimed that Jesus is God, even during a three day vacation period.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image of ANYTHING.”
Your Jesus has been a carved image for over two millennia now in which Christians have bowed down to and served.
Stop raping TaNaKh with your Christian rhetoric.
God says" I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." God is not a person. God says" there in none like me " God is different from His creations.
Hosea 11:9
God is not a man
Can someone teach me where they get Jehovah?
John 17:3
Isaiah 45:5
1 Corinthians 8:5
1 Timothy 2:5
Who created the heaven and earth?
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When God spoke in Hosea 11:9, he had not yet incarnated himself-that came later.
"Jehovah" comes from adding vowels to the tetragrammaton. Some pronounce it Yahweh.
The Son (Jesus) created the heavens and the earth (Heb 1:10).
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Hebrew 16:18
God cannot lie when he makes a promise, and he cannot lie when he makes an oath
Malachi 3:6
God cannot lie when he makes a promise, and he cannot lie when he makes an oath
Numbers 23:19
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? 19 God is not a man, so he does not lie.
Isaiah 45:5
1 Timothy 1:17
All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God.❤️
1 Timothy 6:16
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.❤️
The above two verses are the only true God.
John 17 '3
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent". ❤️
John 8:42
I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
How many times did jesus said" my God, your God, OUR GOD.
John 20:17
'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '"
The trinity was created by the council of Nicaea Jesus was never God for early Christian,but 325AD became God then the holy spirit became God 381AD completed the trinity at 382AD.
I've read those verses. Did God promise that he would not become a man or that, when he spoke them, he was not a man at that time?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth simple what are the attributes of God?
Let me know if one of them is mortal!!!! If it's then that is not the true God.
John 17:3
Why Jewish and Muslims believe God is one .
What is the first commandment?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth God immutable
9:15 in all honesty, do you believe the Almighty God died?
Puny humans put the Almighty God to death?
Have you considered titles can be shared, and in this case the title refers to totally different things (Jehovah's eternity in both directions (incidentally meaning he could not say "I died", and Christ being the first to be raised to the heavens by his father, Jehovah. Also the last as all future resurrections are preformed by Jesus joh5:28,29, as he has the "keys")
Titles are interchangeable. Think of "King of Kings", both Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar have this title, are they the same?
When we use the Father's personal name, Jehovah, all the confusion you are facing dissapears.
Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God.
The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
God cannot die, which is why the Almighty had to become human so he could die.
Hi Kevin, "God cannot die, which is why the almighty had to became human so he could die"... are you sure?
The Almighty never left heaven, he sent his son, as Jesus continuously stated.
Jehovah alone is the Almighty (Gen17:1)
Joh17 "These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the son may glorify thee"
His Father is Jehovah, as we can see from the instruction Jesus receives from Jehovah upon his resurrection to heaven: ASV Ps110:1"Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Jehovah speaking to Jesus, (David's "Lord"), and also BEING Jesus has no basis in reality.
@FrankLee-gq8yc you didn't deal with any of the verses I cited that show Jesus is Jehovah.
As for Psalm 110-have you read the Psalms? This is going to come as a shock to JWs but before you get to Psalm 110, there are 109 Psalms that come before it. In Psalm 16:2, David says that Jehovah is his Lord (Adon). Now, the NWT obscures this by inserting the divine name twice in that verse, once for the tetragrammaton (which is correct) and once for Adon (which is not correct).
So when we get to Psalm 110, we know that David's Lord is Jehovah. So Jehovah is speaking to David's Lord, who is Jehovah.
This is Jesus's argument in Mat 22.
Finally, if we read Psalm 110 like Jesus, we would do so as a trinitarian. David spoke my means of the Holy Spirit, saying, "Jehovah said to my Lord (David's Lord is Jehovah)."
Great passage to show that Jesus is Jehovah. Thanks.
@kevinfromcanada4379 when you read Matt 22, and you read Jesus explaining the "Lord" spoken of is the "Son" of Jehovah, how are you coming to the conclusion that he is saying that Lord IS Jehovah? That is not his argument at all. He is highlighting the fact that as Jehovah's son, he will sit at Jehovah's right hand and wait until he is installed as King of the Kingdom, exactly what David was saying in 110.
You made that super unusual. Is it because they share the title "Lord"?
You are smart, you realize many have that title... hence the need for personal names, ie Jehovah and Jesus.
Where is Jesus called the Son of Jehovah?
Jehovah is the name of the triune God, which is why Jesus can be identified as Jehovah.
Jesus is the human name of thr Son of God, the second person of the triune God.
Look at a Hebrew Interlinaer and tell me if the tetragrammaton is found twice in Psalm 16:2 or if your NWT have inserted the divine name were it doesn't belong.
Jesus Christ IS God but He is NOT the Father but the SON OF GOD (and divine) as He and the Bible CONSTANTLY STATE. He is sitting at the right hand of God right now so you have TWO separate Beings, Father and Son. Acts 10:38 says "God (the Father) anointed Jesus of Nazareth WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT". If I believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ALL THE SAME PERSON, isn't that saying, GOD ANOINTED HIMSELF WITH HIMSELF! NONSENSE! And John 1:1-3 = "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus Christ) and THE WORD (Jesus Christ) WAS WITH GOD (THE FATHER) and the WORD WAS GOD!" VS 14 goes on to say that the 'WORD WAS MADE FLESH' (JESUS CHRIST THE MAN) So IF JESUS CHRIST WAS WITH GOD AS THE WORD, IT IS CLEAR THAT HE IS NOT THE FATHER! IT JUST DOESN'T STATE HERE THAT HE IS TO BECOME THE SON OF GOD WHEN BEGOTTEN BY GOD THE FATHER INTO HUMAN FORM AND IS DIVINE AS THE FATHER IS.
The doctrine of the Trinity did not say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same person...
@@moisesbeyond Are you mormon?
@@moisesbeyond God the Father (Jehovah) and God the Son (Jesus Christ)! When the Bible says there is only ONE GOD, it means THE FATHER JEHOVAH but JEHOVAH HAS A SON WHO IS JESUS CHRIST EQUALLY DIVINE so there are two Gods in that sense but Jesus always honors the Father in EVERYTHING.
@@Samu-xc2tc So what did it say then?
@@moisesbeyond SO you mean you have THREE Gods?
Great...NOW I know that 1+1=3.
Who taught you that?
Jehovah is the *most high* God. (Psalm 83:18), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel, the God of the fathers.
Peter says:
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
So Jehovah, the God of the fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Israel) raised up Jesus from the dead. One person raised another person. They cannot be the same person. Jesus *cannot* be Jehovah.
This would be a problem if it was actually what trinitarians taught. What you're describing is called Modalism and not what the Trinity is. The Father and the Son are different persons, but the same being.
You gotta lie to yourself in order to believe in the trinity honestly. The bible is so clear and easy to understand that Jehovah is God and is the Father. Jesus was created by the Father and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. How is it so hard to understand for you people, even Jesus has explained to us who God is and yet you don't believe him.
The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Peace!!!
Then explain how Jesus created all things if he wasn’t the creator when not even one thing was created without him. You can’t create all things if you are one of those created things. John 1:3.
@@pearlytiger564 You can if you change God’s word to “of him all OTHER things were created” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@srich7503 exactly 🤦🏻♀️ I don’t get how they reconcile this. Their own books/interlinear even show they changed it. But they somehow forgot about John 1:3
The funny thing is that the christian bible corrupts the Holy Tanach, to try to make the false messiah real. Your jesus is not god, he is not the messiah, all he truly is, is a dead man on a roman cross
The "Christian" Bible is the "Jewish" Bible. It was written by faithful Jews who believed the promises God gave in the Tanakah. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and saviour of the world.
I believe that god became flesh ,,, to generate a central point for us humans to be able to focus on Him
All trough out history he tried many ways to let people see and understand that he is god, He sent profits , he was in the form of burning bushes , voices , wonders, etc, Still humans could not understand and recognize god.
God became flesh lived among us, still we did not recognize him.
There fore he gave us his grace The HOLY spirit To keep those who truly seek him to understand and get closer to him
The spirit within us will convince us that Jesus is god.
Not or own understanding,
As we don’t even understand the simplest things in this live as humans.
Please answer if you can???
How can the source of life "DIE?"
Jude verse 25 says of GOD ALMIGHTY, He has existed from ALL eternity past and will exist into ALL eternity. "If somewhere along the way he died, he can't be eternal"
The man called Jesus died. And was dead for the better part of 3 days.
If Jesus is God, how then can God die when he is the original source of Life.
Everything in his presence is clean. HOLY.
Death is unclean and cannot be associated with him.
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Jesus is truly God and truly human. He *became* a human to died for our sins; with his human nature he can die. (Philippians 2:5-11)
Now, can you response why if Jesus is the First and the Last, Mighty God, and with the fact that all things were created by him, he is not God?
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esus is the (1) first and the last in as much as he was and will remain the only person Yehovah resurrected. Revelations 1:17 Revelations 3:14 Revelations 1:5 Colossians 1:15,18
All all other resurrections will be through God's son Jesus Christ. John 5:25-29
As God's first born he was helpful in moving forward God's love for creation. The furthering of his will and purpose (Playing his given role to move god's will forward) John 4:34
At John 5:26...... I (me personally) ask the question? If God has life in himself.... He being almighty, how is it he is now granting to himself to have life in himself (the son?)
Yes, I agree with you Jesus is a mighty god divine in nature like his father. He is described as a mighty god not the almighty god
@@richarddaily9517 You can't say "Mighty God divine in nature *like his Father*" and still said Jesus is not God. There's no God (with G or with g) but the God of the Bible.
Hello @richarddaily9517! I just made a new video addressing the question of "how God could die". I'll drop a link below. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it!
ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
Who cares which denomination one believes. The point is to feed narcissism and believe you are immortal and destined to become a multi-dimensional god right? To hell with the details and everyone who doesn't believe like you.
Yehoshua is his name and he ain't Eloheem. Yehoshua is the Son of Man and Son of Eloheem PERIOD. Joh 20:17 Yehoshua saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Eloheem, and your Eloheem. He shares Sonship with us only that he has been chosen to sit at the Right hand of the Father as the first begotten Son and last Adam.
In Apologetics we use this rule: The principle of the harmony of Scripture (or, Scripture interprets Scripture): “no part of Scripture can be interpreted in such a way as to render it in conflict with what is clearly taught elsewhere in Scripture” (RC Sproul).
I agree with this Christian even though Christianity does NOT follow its own acceptance of this rule.
If we have to stick to this rule then he cannot be the Almighty Eloheem since it would contradict what Yahuah Eloheem the Father has said Of HIMSELF at least 89 times already including this verse concerning the "Son of Man". Do you want to make him a liar and Yehoshua the Son of man a liar too to make your false doctrine fit? It is fitting that Yahuah says HE DOES NOT LIE!
From my free book on my website "Why Jesus is not God / Why Yahushua is not Eloheem" "
Numbers 23:19
Eloheem is not a man, that he should lie; neither the *son of man, that he should repent...
The Scriptures Refute "Jesus is God" by Declaring Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) as the "Son of Man"
According to Matthew 1:1, Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) is the SON OF ELOHIM, the SON OF DAVID, SON OF ABRAHAM. He is a man, but most importantly he is the SON OF MAN. Every time this term is mentioned referring to Yah'ushua we remember that Elohim (pw God) has already categorically stated that the Son of Man is NOT Elohim according to Numbers 23:19 as above.
In the (REC) Renewed Everlasting Covenant (pw New Testament) it is said 89 times! e.g.
Mat 8:20 (KJV) And Yah'ushua (pw Jesus) saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the SON OF MAN hath not where to lay his head.
Mat 9:6 (KJV) But that ye may know that the SON OF MAN hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house....." see rest in my book.
i have been computer writing for 40 years and it is habit for me to see and say of all i write, rephrase rephrase rephrase and no matter hor you do it, i can see how anything i write can be twisted by you narcissists. If I say from Ur or from Kish, some idiot, or wit-game-player will say Kish or Ur is a person. When i once wrote the Red Sea was parted by a cloud-pillar (ammonia funnel-cloud from a comet) a woman asked me if by Could Pillar was a writer's pseudo-name. Anything wirtten or said can be claimed as any reader or listener wants to and yes you do it a whole lot. Like i say if you think youre woke, get a new alarm clock.
Christ as the "firstborn of every creature" is quite epic indeed!
I couldn't care less if it flies in the face of tradition. Tradition is usually just another name for "lies".
So you think God the Father had coitus with a female goddess and fathered a son, is that correct?
Trinitarians ignore verses such as Ephesians 1:17, Revelation 3:12, John 20:17 and dozens of others which shows plainly that Jesus has a GOD.
Hello there! We don't ignore them. In fact, I'll be covering those verses in detail in my next video. Hope you stick around! In the meantime, if you come up with any stronger objections to the Trinity, please let me know
@@theologywithseth Jesus when he was already in Heaven said he has a God. I believe what Jesus said. So if he said what is true, should I believe that he is not true ? Is Jesus true of what he said or not ? There can't be yes and no at the same time.
@@Mckaule Yes, Jesus does have a God... because he has a human nature. He is also God, which is why people could pray to him, worship him, sing songs about and to him, and confess him as God-all while maintaining their monotheism.
Jesus has two natures-God and human-so whatever can be said of either nature can be said of the one person.
@@josefrzyman7297 The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
Hi all! I just came out with a video answering those objections. I'd love to hear your thoughts! Link below...
ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
Do you really think that the JW are totally wrong? Have you read John 20:30-31? What does it say? Why is it that John did not include that Jesus is God also? We can read what he wrote in John 20:28 right ? , however John did not write his gospel to prove Jesus was God but to prove that Jesus was the Messiah, the son of God. Some may say that son of God means deity right? But this is not true. Adam is called son of God and also the angels and kings such as Salomon or David, however they are not deity. We can also see that Luke 1:35 gives the reason why Jesus is called the son of God and the reason for this is that Jesus is a direct creation of God in Mary. Jesus was conceived in Mary, Mary became pregnant with Jesus, the fertilized egg Mary had to have for her to be pregnant, was Jesus, so how do people think that Jesus came from heaven when we know he came from Mary? There is no spiritual component in the conception of a baby, only a male and a female sexual cell that come together to start the process of gestation. Jesus plainly says in Matthew 16:16 who he is, actually he says that it was the Father who gave Peter that revelation, why don’t we believe him? Jesus also was the promised Messiah prophesied to David in 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Jesus is clearly a descendant of David, a human being, not God. The Trinity is a false concept of God, Jesus said who God is in John 17:3, the Father, he also calls the Father, his God in John 20:17. So the JW witnesses are not totally wrong, except that Jesus did not preexist his birth in Bethlehem or was an angel, but Jesus had a definite beginning in Mary. He is the lamb of God, his son, the sinless sacrificial lamb who took away the sins of the world but he is not God.
Jesus didn't preexist his birth?? Have you actually read the Gospel of John? I'll give one example:
"On the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one about whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who is greater than I am, because he existed before me.’
" (John 1:29-30 NET)
John was conceived 6 months before Jesus (Luke 1:36). So, how could Jesus exist before John? Because Jesus is God become human.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 yes, I know that this verse is used to prove that Jesus preexisted, however, what John the Baptist actually meant was that Jesus in the plan of the Almighty came before John. Jesus was created in Mary by the Almighty, we can read this is Luke 1:26-35. Jesus is a descendant of king David so he is a human being not God. According to James 1:17, The Almighty does not change, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.”, Jesus also said to the Samaritan woman “God is Spirit”, John 4:24, so Jesus is not God but a human being. John summarizes his gospel in John 20:30-31, notice that John is saying that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, no word that he is God in the book of John.
John doesn't say that God's plan came before him, he says that Jesus existed before him.
This is why Jesus could claim that he came down from heaven (John 3:13; 6:41).
@@kevinfromcanada4379 don’t we know where Jesus came from? Luke 1:26-35? Read John 20:30-31 did John prove Jesus is God or the Christ, the son of God? If the apostle John thought Jesus was God or preexisted, he surely missed it in this summary.
Luke 1:26-35 is speaking about his human nature. His humanity was created and the Son took that humanity to himself (Phil 2:7).
Being God and the Son of God are not mutually exclusive. The one God subsists in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As a subsistent of the one God, he is God. He is also a distinct person from the Father-he is the Son.
This is why Thomas could call Jesus "MY God." Jesus is God, but he is not the Father, he is the Son.
PS. You didn't actually deal with the verses where Jesus claimed to have come down from heaven. You simply dismissed them.
1 Cor. 11: 3 don't that do away with being equal to, but headship or superior to?
The value of women is less Leviticus 27:4 KJV
Do you think women are less human than men?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 yeah
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Not at all. I think I'm less than my pet chihuahua sometimes. My point is God has a headship. Not co- equal God. Jesus is under God.
@jameshaney3701 great. Functional subordination does not necessarily mean ontological subordination.
Woman is functionally subordinate to man, yet she is ontologically equal to man-she is fully human.
Jesus is functionally subordinate to God the Father, yet he is ontologically equal to the Father -he is fully Jehovah God.
Humanity was created to image God. How does the functional subordination of woman to man imagine God? For unitarians, this is a head scratcher. For trinitarians, this is easy to understand. The Father and Son are equally Jehovah God, yet the Son willingly subordinates himself to the Father as his head. Likewise, man and woman are equally human, yet the woman is called to willingly submit to man as her head.
1Cor 11:2-16 only makes sense if God is triune.
Jesus NEVER SAID HE WAS GOD.
His disciples did. Are they not trustworthy?
@kevinfromcanada4379
Who died for your sins, the disciples, or Jesus?
Remember, everything the deciples wrote was all they saw and heard of Jesus. And Jesus never said once that He was God. And I belive my lord and savior Jesus Christ.
How do you know Jesus died for your sins?
Where did Jesus say He is Michael?
@@kevinfromcanada4379
Because it was written and by faith.
How many times does Jesus have to state.... I do nothing, I don't speak, I don't move, but ONLY the Father that is IN ME!!
Is the message not clear? Deny the flesh, be born again in the spirit!!
Repent!! Change how you think..... "STOP thinking!!!"
You are totally ignoring the context of Jesus earthly ministry. Why don't you read the rest of the Bible instead of what the Watchtower feeds you with. Here is a good place to start:
"Who, *_being in very nature God,_*
did not consider *_equality with God_* something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, *_he made himself nothing_*
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
*he humbled himself*
by becoming obedient to death-
even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:6-8)
As you can see here, Jesus _voluntarily_ made himself a lower being. It wasn't forced apon him or was the result of his being of inferior nature or value than the Father. In all humility Jesus willingly chose to forsake everything he had, including his divine privileges, FOR OUR SAKES!
Jesus mission demanded that he become a human being with complete dependency on the Father. That is why Paul indicates that he could not rely on "equality with God" to be used "to his advantage".
@@josefrzyman7297 J 17:3 why is he speaking of Jesus as a third person, why is it not written "myself who you have sent" ?
BROTHERMAN, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, HOW DE HELL HE COULD STILL BE GOD? CAN YOUR SON BE YOU? 1John 4 v 15, and 1 John 5 v 5).
IF JESUS IS WAS GOD, DON'T YOU THINK HE WOULD KNOW IT?
.Mark 10 v 18, JESUS CHRIST SAID, " WHY DO YOU CALL ME (me) GOOD, NOBODY GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD. Does that sound to you like Jesus is God?
John 5 v 26 says, " THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, SO HE HAS ( GRANTED) THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF. SO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE SON WAS ( GRANTED) TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF? IF SOMEONE GRANT YOU SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT HAVE IT BEFORE IT WAS GRANTED TO YOU?
WHAT TRINITY ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT, CAN I FIND IT ANYWHERE IN ANY BIBLE IN THE WORLD?
1 CORINTHIANS 11 v 3 says, " THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST, THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD, so if the Holy SPIRIT is a person who is he the head of?
THAT FAKE SCRIPTURE THAT YOU GUYS ALWAYS REFER TO ( GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN ANY BIBLE IN THE WORLD? It is not in the bible.
IF JESUS IS JEHOVAH, HOWCOME PSALMS 83 v 18( even in some copies of the King James version Bible)says, "THAT MEN MAY KNOW, THAT YOU ALONE WHOSE NAME IS JEHOVAH ARE THE MOST HIGH OVER ALL THE EARTH? ( YOU ALONE, NOT A TRINITY) MOST OF THE OLDER
COPIES OF THE KInG JAMES BIBLE SAYS THAT.
IF JESUS IS GOD, PLEASE EXPLAIN 1 CORINTHIANS 15 v 24 to 28 to the people you are MISLEADING?
The problem is, YOU GUYS DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURES YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO COMPARE YOURSELVES TO JEHOVAH WITNESSES. JEHOVAHS witnesses reads God's word daily, you have to first study the Bible before you become 0ne of Jehovahs witnesses.
WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, GENESIS 1 CLARELY STATES THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. IT IS SO SIMPLE. IF THE TOYOTA COMPANY MAKES A ROBOT AND USE IT TO MAKE ALL ITS VEHICLES, WHO MADE THE VEHICLES, THE ROBOT OR THE TOYOTO COMPANY? ( HEBREWS 3 v 4) ALL over in Genesis God is the one saying " LET US DO THIS, AND LET US DO THAT. IT IS GOD'S WILL AND JESUS CARRY IT OUT.
JESUS ALWAYS GIVE ALL GLORY TO GOD, JOHN 14 v 28 THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I ", JOHN 5 v 30 Jesus said, I CAN OF MYSELF DO NOTHING , I DO NOT SEEK MY OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHO SENT ME.
1 John 4 v 14, GOD SENT JESUS TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. You guys keep MISUSING ISAIHA 9 v 6. FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORNetc etc. AND THE GOVERNMENT( WILL)BE UPON HIS SHOULDER...WHEN?
AND HIS NAME ( WILL BE) CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR etc etc ...WHEN? IT DID NOT SAY THE GOVERNMENT IS ON HIS SHOULDER, AND HE IS CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELOR? HE WILL BE CALLED THOSE THINGS AFTER HE HAS COMPLETED THE ASSIGNMENT HIS FATHER GAVE HIM, THE RANSOM SACRIFICE. Then as a reward for faithfully carrying out the RANSOM SACRIFICE, GOD GAVE HIM A NAME ABOVE ALL OTHER NAMES, (PHILLIPIANS 2 v 9) and gave him all authority in Heaven and on earth. Matthew 28 v 18. Before Jesus was given authority, he told the Pharasees I JUDGE NO ONE. Because he was not yet given authority to judge. ( John 8 v 15).
WHEN JESUS SAW THE .MONEY CHANGERS IN THE TEMPLE, HE SAID, YOU ARE MAKING MY FATHER'S HOUSE INTO A DEN OF THIEVES. He didn't say you are making my house into a den of thieves?
Doesn't Revelations say there are many God's and many Lord's in Heaven and on earth. ARE THEY TRUE GODS OR FALSE GODS?
You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Peace!!!
How about 1 Timothy 2:5!!! Do you need a 2nd-grader to explain that to you...
Hi there! I fully believe that there is only one God and that Jesus is the mediator between us and the Father. What about that verse troubles you?
Jesus is between the one God
Jesus is the perfect mediator between God and humans because he is fully God and fully human.
Jehovah's witnesses don't even believe that Jesus is the mediator for all men and God, they say that Jesus is only the mediator for the 144000
JWs will always appeal to their brainwashed intellect over what the Bible says… this is why they run like the cowards they are when confronted with the truth of Jesus.
and Jehovah's Witnesses will answer Jehovah is the beginning and the end as in the first and the last and Jesus is the beginning and the end as in the first and the last of creation, because they believe he was created. They also believe Jesus is just an Angel (Micheal). The governing body believe they are above Jesus as well. They have a big shock coming to them on judgment day.
It's very hard to break through to these people. All my family are JW's and they won't listen.
I have to say, as someone who is agnostic, enjoys learning about history and religion, and have no religious beliefs at all, your argument really failed to hit it's mark. Wether Jesus is God or not is not something I have an opinion on, but based on your argument, I have concluded that Jesus is probably not God. You kept going on over the same argument over and over using different passages and theories, but you never really offered any actual proof of your position. It felt like 30 minutes of the same argument, without offering anything other than, well Jesus is God because of the Holy Trinity, which trust me, it's a thing. Just my two cents from someone who isn't a Christian or a Jehovah's witness.
Hmmm... that's a strange appraisal of my argument for sure. I don't know how you can say it was 30 minutes of the "same argument" when I appealed to over a dozen *different* passages all supporting the fact that Jesus is Jehovah. In at least two passages, the Biblical authors *directly called Jesus "God"* . So to listen to all of that and conclude that Jesus is "probably not God" is a bizarre conclusion indeed. But since you don't have a dog in the fight, I won't trouble you over it. I just thought I'd let you know that was a very unexpected comment!
Tons of Bible verses: "Jesus is God"
Commenter on the internet: "After carefully reviewing these Bible verses, I've concluded that Jesus is probably not God"
BRUH
@@theologywithseth first of, thank you for replying to my comment, I honestly wasn't expecting anyone to reply, so I'm grateful you did. I will like to add that as a non believer, my opinion on this matter is of no consequence to anyone's faith in Christianity, I'm just a guy that enjoys history and lore. As far as your argument, seems to me that for every passage in the Bible that calls Jesus 'God' (I would like to compare your passages to my Bible, I own a English Standard version, to see how they differ) , there are others that explicitly refer to him otherwise. When these inconsistencies present themselves you rely on the idea of the Holy Trinity, which is very convenient for you, but you don't offer more than just that. Jesus also never refers to himself as God. Because Jesus consistently refers to God his father as a separate entity from himself, I am inclined to believe that he isn't God. Having said that, I am no expert, I am also not a Christian so my opinion matters little. At the end of the day, whether you know for a fact Jesus is God or not, should matter little. I believe Jesus wanted to spread love, not religion.
@@bgslayer4529 tons of Bible verses: "Jesus is the son of God"
Commenter on the Internet: "After careful consideration I have concluded that Jesus is in fact God"
Bruh 🤦♂️
See I can do that too 😅 you'll never convince anyone of anything with that kind of sloppy argument....
@@ramondejesus65Except no one in this thread is arguing that Jesus isn’t the Son of God. So… who was that even directed at?
Satan has taught you well !!!!!! Read John 17:3 and explain it....
Hey friend, I'm glad to help you out here. Jesus, when praising his Father, was identifying him and glorifying him for who he truly is. The only true God. Would it be better for him to of said "you are the only false god?' Of course not. Now, he was not excluding himself in this statement. Here's a few reasons why:
John 10:30- Jesus is ONE with the "only true God"
John 5:19- Jesus does absolutely everything the Father does in the way the Father does it without qualification
Colossians 1:16-17- Jesus is before all creation and all creation exists for him as its ultimate end
Revelation 5:11-14- EVERY CREATURE in creation, absolutely no creature left out, worshipping both the Father and the Son. If he were a creature he would have been included in EVERY CREATURE.
John 14:12-14- Jesus tells us that after he returns to the Father in heaven "if you ask anything in my name, I WILL DO IT." So here he makes himself an object of prayer after he returns to heaven but also the one answering those prayers.
This is not even close to being an exhaustive list. Just a few examples. Jesus is almighty God even in the new world translation. What we see here is a Jesus that is one with the one true God, does everything that the one true God does, is uncreated with the one true God, receives worship with the one true God, and answers prayers with the one true God. So what is stopping Jesus from also being the one true God?
Final questions for you.. I'm assuming you're a jw. If you believe Jesus is "a god", is he a true or a false god? Please answer coherently in light of Isaiah 43:10. How Jehovah formed no God before or after him. How is it that you know of "a god" that was formed that Jehovah doesn't know about and nor did he create?
@@davidvasquezcalero1053 is Jesus a true or false God?
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Matt 23:8,9 says there is only One Father .
It also says there is Only One teacher .
Should I conclude therefore that @user-mw9st1ik5b is a FALSE teacher with no human father?
Is it not more correct for me to conclude that other teachers are lesser teachers and other fathers are lesser fathers.
Jesus is not a false God but he is not the ultimate true God of John 17:3 either.
1 Cor 8:5 says For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (AS THERE ARE many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is One God, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
@@aksk5770 You are really bad at this and it’s showing. Good try trying to get out of answering the question.
Perhaps you missed verse 4 that Paul tells us that these idols & gods that receive offerings have no real existence and there is but only one God. He then expands on that in verse 5 saying that these lords & gods that aren’t alive are SO CALLED gods by the pagans as indeed or (as if) there are many gods or lords. Buddy, these aren’t gods or lords because they have no real existence as he just told you in verse 4. Why are you arguing for polytheism? There’s only one God. Jesus tells us that the Father is the only true God. Which means that any other so called “god” is a false god. You can’t get around this.
Is Jesus a true or a false God?
Isaiah 43:10 says, "You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me".
While you’re at it, please tell me in light of this passage, why is it that you know of “a god” that was formed after Jehovah that he himself doesn’t know about and nor did he create? Go ahead and explain.
@@aksk5770 man, still dodging the question. Let’s try again, is Jesus a true or false god? I know you’re scared. Here, I’ll go first, Jesus is the true God. What say you?
I’m sorry Paul wasn’t clear enough for you that there is only one God. Jesus also confirming there is only one true God. I’m sorrowful for you that you have fallen into polytheism. May the Lord have mercy on you.
This is why the Bible is dangerous in the wrong hands, such as yours. I suggest you read Isaiah 42-46 and tell me how many God’s Jehovah made and how many other God’s does Jehovah know about. Please come back and let me know with quotations. I can’t wait to read them.
You obviously can’t understand that “gods” used elsewhere in the Bible in light of these passages would mean that these “gods” are not god by nature, essence, or ability. As the only true God is. But only used in a very qualified sense. So you could actually say they are not true gods. There’s only one true God. Stop creating Bible contradictions, please.
have you just said no to the very God of Jesus? Ephesians 1:17
Hi there! The answer is no. I actually bring that verse up in my most recent video! Would love to hear your thoughts. Link below!
ruclips.net/video/QDCNDaagox0/видео.html
Jews can show that Jesus was NOT a messiah; much less a god, using...the (Christian) Bible(s).
LOL. No, they can't.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Wait, are you serious rn?
@@r3ggi3000 Yes, I am. The NT EXPLICITLY states that Jesus is the Messiah.
OK. The NT is wrong. I guess you didn’t know that.
The Quran says Muhammad is a prophet. Does that make that true?
LOL.
Please read Matthew 16.16
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Read it. Did you read Matthew 28:19?