@@theologywithseth I appreciate that you can deal with the falsehoods of the WT, and still be gracious. So many times, dealing with JWs can quickly become more than a little contentious. I had a ex-JW unitarian get really insulting and condescending with me just because I didn't accept what he said as a foregone conclusion. It's really refreshing to hear solid, scripturally based refutations and arguments without the drama and insults. Great series!
I found your channel over the last couple of months and have used the information you uploaded to talk to my Oma about her faith in Watchtower. Your suggestion for starting a discussion with 1 Peter 3 15 as an opening verse has helped me have a productive conversation. Thank you and God Bless
That's what I call packing a lot of information into a 24:37 video. Excellent video, excellent information and a clear refutation of the Watchtower doctrine. Exegesis trumps eisegesis.
Former JW here. I’m new to your channel but think you do a great job. I’m still struggling with the trinity doctrine. I love Jesus as my God but still believe that Jehovah is God Almighty. The Holy Spirit is too abstract to me now in my re-learning life long beliefs. It’s heart breaking knowing I’ve been willfully misguided for the last 60 years. Thankfully God is a reader of hearts…..He led me to you, didn’t he?😊
He sure did! I think you're in the right place and I'm very glad you're here! I think all Christians struggle with the Trinity doctrine, but hopefully my videos will help in some way. My next video will be about the Holy Spirit so I think you'll enjoy that! Also, I hope you'll check out some of my other JW videos in this my playlist and if you have any questions at all, let me know!
If what your saying is true Jesus was praying to himself all during his ministry. So asking himself for help. But why if he's the Almighty, and co-equal to the father.? The Trinity doctrine says all 3 persons are coequal and co-eternal. So doesn't the father always precede the son and the son comes from the father so they're not co-eternal.
The way I understand trinity, our ONE eternal God Yehovah reveal Himself to us as the Father (because He created everything that exist), the Word of God (Yehovah operating in the physical realm also seen as the Angel of God) and the Spirit of God (Yehovah operating in the spirit realm, different function yet same Yehovah.
@@Shammalamma i feel you. Forget about this pagan three substances but one being. It is not biblical. John 17:3 jesus said "for this is eternal life that they may know you the only true God and jesus christ whom you have sent". No word about the third god of this 3in1. Also note trinity doctrine is a church creed not a biblical one. Its origin is pagan just like xmas and easter. Logos was never associated with a person.
If you are talking to a Muslim (only saying that because I don't know whats written in new world translation)there is a verse where jesus called himself the good shepherd JOHN 10: 11-16 And in the old testament the Good shepherd is God psalm 23 so that can highlight the point as well
@@theologywithseth Good Day. Its quite clear that the NT is written from a trinitarian perspective. You might want to look at the inscription found in 2005-6 on the floor of the Christian meeting house discovered at Megiddo. The inscription dates to around AD230. It is from "the Godlover Akeptous in honour to JesusGod.". ( I showed it to an Org leader - it went right over his head and he had to somehow slot it into his world view" " thats interesting ". He said. (But we have only just started talking....)their diminished view of God means they have to deny or avoid issues. They cannot cope with their "escape route" foundations being erradicated because they don't know Him who sets people free.
“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?” Hebrews 1:5 ESV “But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.” Hebrews 1:8 ESV Here: The father calls him his Son, and God
This is precisely why the JW’s are fiercely critical of Christianity but I have yet to hear from them any objections to Islam; on balance, those two religions are, in many ways, both on the same page.
I think you're right! They also borrow a lot from each other's "apologetics". Since they both deny the Trinity and Deity of Christ, you'll often find the same arguments used by both religions. The good news is, by learning to refute one, you can refute the other! Thank you for watching
@@theologywithseth, to deny the deity of Christ they have to deny the trinity, boil down to the same thing. Here we see why s atan try to hide this... J ohn 8:23-24 K J V [23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall d ie in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall d ie in your sins. Jesus made it clear how important it is to believe He is I am, Ego Eimi in original Greek, pointing right back to Exodus 3:14-15 where He gave His eternal name to Moses. Blessings.
Seth I just came across your videos and have enjoyed them so far. About a month ago I had a talk with a jw on tik tok, he was having a debate with a Oneness Pentecostal, and an ex Jehovah's Witness. So when I came up, he was angry from the beginning, but when I came up, I started smacking all of his points down he didn't like that. Then he brought up colossians 1:15-16 in the NWT, trying to tell me that the Greek word prototokos means first created. I said protoketesis means first created, he said in a very arrogant manner, that I was wrong then when I showed him, he got even more angry. I told him that the Greek word prototokos has two definitions. The first definition is one of an eldest child or sibling, then after that I said the second definition means pre-eminent. Lies lies lies lie lie lie lie lies that's what he said. Then again the ex Jehovah's Witness and the Oneness Pentecostal backed me up, then they pulled up Bible hub and it said exactly what I said. The ex Jehovah's Witness said Jeremiah Is correct. Then in verse 16 he tried to go against the Greek word ta panta which in Greek means all things, everything. So I showed him the reason why his argument didn't work saying Jesus was created.
Hi @jeremiahrowesr.3130! I'm thrilled that you've been putting your faith in action and reaching out to JW's! That's exactly what I'm hoping my series will inspire others to do as well. It sounds like you came up against a very obstinate witness. They're out there and sometimes all you can do is preach the truth and then pray for them. You never know what the Holy Spirit will use later on down the road to wake them up. Glad you found my channel, friend! God bless
@@theologywithseth Who is the one Jesus, the apostles and the prophets called, The Living and True God, if Jesus is his son? Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered [To Jesus]: “You are the Christ, the SON.. of THE LIVING GOD.” Jeremiah 10:10 But Jehovah is the True God, HE IS - THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King.- THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King. Because of his indignation the earth will quake, And no nations will endure his denunciation. John 17:3 Jesus said praying to Jehovah: This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
@@johnf587 ISAIAH 44:6 Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, YHWH of hosts: “I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; besides me there is no god. REVELATION 1:9-18 9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands ONE LIKE A SON OF MAN, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. John hears a voice behind and when he turns to see who is speaking, it's Jesus, One like a Son of Man. We know that Jesus is the Son of Man and He told the Jewish leaders He was the Son of Man. The description of this Son of Man is just like YHWH is described in Daniel. The Son of Man, Jesus, tells John not to fear because He is the First and the Last, the one who died and is now alive forevermore. Jesus said He is the First and the Last, the same thing YHWH said in Isaiah. Is there more than one First and the Last? YHWH says besides Him there is no god. Jesus isn't another god. Jesus is God; YHWH incarnate just like John 1:14 says. In Revelation 22:12-13, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last; the Lord God Almighty, the one who is and who was and who is to come. God the Father isn't coming with the clouds. Jesus is. In Revelation 1:7-8, we read: "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[b] on account of him. Even so. Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” The one who is coming with the clouds is the Lord God Almighty. In Mark we read: MARK 1:1-3 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way, 3 the voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’” Mark is quoting Isaiah 40 and look who we find in Isaiah 40; YHWH. ISAIAH 40:1-5 1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God. 2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and cry to her that her warfare is ended, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received from YHWH's hand double for all her sins. 3 A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of YHWH; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of YHWH shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken.” Jesus says He is YHWH and the Apostles say He is YHWH.
Grew up a JW and left at 17. When I was 12 I asked an elder this ; If Satan is the most cunning deceiver known to man and God said to never worship a man , only Him.......then is it possible worshiping Christ is a trick from the devil? What more cunning artful deceit could there ever be than to trick man into doing what they were told not to do. I was told I was simply wrong and should stop asking such questions or talking about this to others because I could make them stumble. I was already told this from prior questions so this time it was bad. I had to talk to a few elders about it all. It was a turning point in my mind that made me feel if I can't even think and ask questions , this can't be for me.
Hey warren.. were you asking, "could satan trick people into worshipping Jesus instead of the Father?" If so, I can't understand the response of the guy you asked the question. JW's believe exactly that. Jehovah says were are to worship no god but him. Ex20:2,3 Jesus told us to worship only the Father, as he himself does (Joh4:22-24, luke4:8) And Satan, it appears doesn't care who gets worshipped, as long as it is not Jehovah. Maybe the guy you talked to was confused, it was a great question. I'm stoked when my kids ask questions, it means they are thinking
@ yes it was exactly that. JW’s aren’t always in lockstep with doctrine. Especially those from back in the day. Many seemed to be going off what they personally felt was doctrine as they understood it. It’s hilarious the response I get from mainstream Christianity as well including the other two Judaic branches.
Jesus told us to seek and we will find, the reason why the d cver try to keep people from asking questions. Those who keep seeking get to know that Jesus is Yehovah who temporarily manifested as man to restore what Adam has lost, when He finished what He came to do, His glory was restored.
Hey brother, I am really liking your videos. I'd like to share a treasure I discovered in the bible. We know that God is eternal, when he makes a decree, it is an eternal one. If I may reference a familiar passage in the bible, in Exodus God presented The Ten Commandments, let us look at the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3) Now, if you compare that with the New World Translation, it strangely flies in the face of that eternal commandment. John 1:1 reads, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." Forgive me if I am wrong, however, I don't see how the eternal person of God would create a clearly steadfast rule & find cause to break it himself. This is why I could never trust the NWT. I hope this has been illuminating. "To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
That's a great observation! If you take JW theology seriously, they basically end up endorsing *polytheism* since they have multiple Gods/gods that they honor and follow. Thanks for commenting!
Hello @Nzbrandon! Yes, that's correct. As Christians, we believe the Incarnation is a permanent thing and Christ Jesus will be fully man and fully God forever. Great question!
@theologywithseth, thank you for your response. If Jesus was fully God, meaning He is eternal and above everything and everyone, why was He given life (in Himself) that He didn’t have before (John 5:26)? Why was He given a name and a position He didn’t have before (Philippians 2:9-11)? I understand that He emptied Himself, but these scriptures seem meaningless unless He actually received something after being resurrected. Wouldn’t this mean He was incorruptible? If so, why did Satan attempt to tempt Him? Wouldn’t that be pointless? It wouldn’t make sense because Jesus, as (last) Adam, was corruptible. Yet, He proved that despite being human and corruptible, Satan could not win. Otherwise, wouldn’t Satan have grounds to complain, saying it wasn’t fair to send an incorruptible being? Hebrews 4:14-15 he can sympathize with us because he was tempted and tested in all respects and felt the human urge but he choose not to sin.. I look forward to your response. Thank you again.
The idea that Jesus was eternal as a human requires he wasn't fully flesh. It means he didn't truely die. It also is exactly what John warned about. 1Joh4:2 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,.." He either came in the flesh, fully human, or he came as an eternal god/human. The bible is super clear, Jesus was human. He died, therefore by definition, was not eternal. He was granted immortality upon his return to heaven. Rom6:9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
"For there is one God, and one mediator, between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5 A mediator is a go-between 2 parties. Jesus can't be a mediator and one of the parties. He is our High Priest pleading for us day and night before Almighty God, our Heavenly Father.
Hi there! I answer that objection in the video. Always be sure to watch the video in it's entirety before commenting! (When people don't, it's usually pretty obvious haha). Cheers!
I absolutely love your gentleness and respect, and thorough biblical coverage of the objections. You may pray for my Jehovah witness family sister, Tammi, her husband, Charlie, my niece, Morgan, we were all raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses, but the Lord drew me to himself pray that he would draw them and use me in their lives if that is his will !
I was a JW for 20 or so years; I walked away over 20 years ago. For a while after, I decided "no more faith for me...". But soon after, I realised my faith in God, was beginning to grow again; faith that had been there since childhood (and before becoming a Witness). I worked through so much of the indoctrination of watchtower. But the big one Ive struggled with, is regarding the 'Trinity'; such a block, even today. In the last couple of years I have prayed specifically for understanding on this subject, that I may know better. In time, I came across Revelation 21:23, and this became a 'key' for me to start to understand how Jesus could actually be God, the physical vessel of God, to be able to interact with humans - God being the 'light' and Jesus is the 'lamp'. I dont know if I am correct, fully, in my thinking, but this key has at least helped me to get somewhat beyond the 'block'. Im glimpsing the thought that through Jesus, God can be with humanity, be the mediator, the sacrifice, be with us, despite no human being able to see God and live. I was going to write more but my tablet pc just flashed up a 15% battery warning, now at 12% lol. I live with the hope that the Son will reveal to me, the Father. Matthew 11:27
You know what's strange? I also could have *sworn* the NWT rendered John 17:3 as "taking in knowledge" instead of "knowing". Maybe it was an older edition that I had read once upon a time. Or perhaps the Mandela effect lol. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@theologywithseth I learned this in Bible study. In Spanish there's different words for 'know'; Saber means to know information or ideas. "I know how to cook." Then conocer which means to 'know' a person or place. "Do you know the city well?" Pretty much everyone can 'saber' about Jesus. Even if you don't believe. Personally, I desire to 'conocer' Jesus. ❤️✝️❤️
Thank you for sharing that with me, @dianeexley1709. And just for the record, I went back and did some digging and found out that the New World Translation *did* indeed used to say that eternal life was simply based on "taking in knowledge" of God rather than "knowing God". That's how it read until 2013. That's a *huge* difference between JW theology and Christian theology. Our eternal life is based on knowing God personally. JW's eternal life is based on just knowing facts about God. It's sad because even if their "facts" were correct, simply having a head knowledge of God is a far cry from what He intends for us, and isn't sufficient for salvation.
My friend, Seth.... hello from Greece ..... let me understand the words and meanings better after reading the original Greek text...... The key word is ''LOGOS'' -- ''WORD''.... I always ask the jw .. .... what "Word of God " means????? ..... and their answer is ΄΄Jesus, the son of God΄΄... ok here we agree... The question is what means "Word of God" in Greek?????... what does the ''ΛΟΓΟΣ'' mean in greek, in koine Greek, what does it mean in the Bible and especially what does it mean in the Old Testament BEFORE the Word became flesh, BEFORE he became a man, BEFORE Jesus was born.....they never answer about BEFORE, what does "LOGOS" mean in the OT...... For a Greek in the Bible everything is so simple, obvious, indisputable.... the divinity of Jesus and the trinity...... sorry for my english .......
@@tongakhan230 John makes it clear from his first verse who Jesus is......the "WORD"...who became man...the "ΛΟΓΟΣ" who is God...... ..|do you know what "the Word of God" means?????. go to the old testament and read... I tell you for information that in addition to the Word, it is also referred to everywhere as "the Wisdom of God" and "the right hand or arm of God" .......Search maybe you will find and understand the "true truth" ........ or learn Greek.....
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The Apostles wrote in Greek....... all ancient manuscripts are in koine Greek..... and in all of them it says '' ...and the Word was God΄΄. Check it out.... Papyrus p 52, Papyrus P90, Papyrus P 104, Papyrus P32, Papyrus P46, Papyrus P64, Papyrus P66, Papyrus P75, Papyrus P77 etc..... The Sahidic Coptic dialect used much of the Greek alphabet when it made its own alphabet and its manuscripts are many centuries later than the ancient Greek manuscripts...... Greek manuscripts are found here in Greece and in the world's greatest universities and libraries. .... Also you can see them on the internet too....there is no indefinite article anywhere........ Show me just ONE Sahidic manuscript and tell me what century it is...... Stop misleading the people......and copy and paste the articles of the watchtower .. Was the Word “God” or “a god”?... watchtower November 2008...... Early Christian manuscripts are only in capital letters. Since you accept the Sahidic dialect of Egypt and not the Greek language in which the new testament is written....then I suppose you also accept the cross, because that is what they call it and have it as a symbol like all Christians all over the world from 1st century to the present day......
@@Mr.DC3.1914 For God's sake..... So many lies, so much confusion, so much misleading...... my English is not that good to explain..... Syntax = the order of words to make a sentence.. ...you can't only use grammar ... The syntaxe rules have the power to override grammar ...... but I answer you.... did you check the papyri ????? , the ancient Greek manuscripts ????? what century are the Coptic manuscripts? What do you have to say about the Coptic cross????? both as a word and as a symbol in their churches?????
@@Mr.DC3.1914 WHY ?????????? In the same chapter, on the same page, John 1.6 says "God" without an article.... 1.12 "God" without an article ..... 1.13 "God" without an article ..... 1.18 "God" without an article ..... ????? subject - verb - object.... both with article and without article.... The sentence ' "The Word was God" is subject - verb - accusative...... ''You are a teacher'' Sentence with indefinite article ... use google translation.... in Greek it is..... 'You are teacher' without an article because..... because teacher is an accusative ... ...and of course, since "God" comes forward for emphasis, one more reason for it not to have an article...... There is not a single Greek scholar who claims that there is an indefinite article there... all the translators, except your boss, have written it correctly....LEARN GREEK..........
Seth, further to your comments on Mark 10:18: Jesus tells the young man that if he wants to _do_ something to obtain eternal life then he must keep the Decalogue (10 commandments). Jesus begins with the horizontal commands that affect his fellow man (v. 19). The man affirmed that he had kept the horizontal law. Now, Jesus summarized the horizontal portion of the decalogue in Mar 12:31 with the words of Leviticus 19:18, “You shall love your neighbour as yourself,” which the man had clearly not done and shows it by summing up the horizontal portion with the words, “sell all that you have and give to the poor.” But Jesus does not stop there, he addresses the vertical portion of the law with the words “AND follow me.” Jesus assumes the divine prerogative of the first portion of the Decalogue by claiming absolute loyalty-even to the point of death (cf. Mar 8:34-35). We are to love Jesus with our entire being which is implicit in Jesus’s call to discipleship in Mark 8:24-35 since he demands that those who follow are to die to this world (take up our cross) for his sake. Contrary to what unitarians claim, Mar 10:17-21 implicitly proclaims Jesus as God.
What makes you seeing here that JESUS is God?When JESUS was asked?Good Teacher what I must do to inherit everlasting life?JESUS said to him:Why do you call me good?Nobody is good except God (he meant his Father and God JEHOVAH not himself.)It is so simple so that a child would understand that the Father and God of JESUS CHRIST and our Father and God JEHOVAH is the only true God of this Universe.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 Did Jesus ever sin? Was he relatively 'good' (ie had only a few sins) or was he 'good' (ie sinless)? Did Jesus tell the man, "Don't call me good because only God is good," or, "Why do you call me good? Only God is good." The first is a denial that he is both good and God, the second forces the man to evaluate his words and come to a natural conclusion: P1. Jesus is good. P2. Only God is good. C. Jesus is God. This is basic logic which JWs seem to lack. Second, Jehovah is the name of the triune God. As a person of the triune God, Jesus shares the divine name with the Father. The NT authors understood this, which is why they could identify Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 Of course, nothing like that can be found in scripture. Jesus did not correct or rebuke the man, merely made an observation and statement of truth. Jesus is the "good" Teacher, and He is the "good" Sheperd... "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." Jn.10:11 Yet, Watchtower has REMOVED the word "good" from this passage, and ADDED the word "fine." 😮 Bible =Word of God. NWT=ever changing word of Watchtower. Stick with scripture.
Co equal, coeternal, fully God. If these apply to Jesus, how did He die? Now i listened and it said that his humamity died, his divinity lived on. I dont get that. I understand that He died both as a man and the Son of God (a divine being). God risked the loss of His only begotten Son to redeem mankind. A trinity destroys this concept because God can not die, so there was no real risk because "God the Son" is immortal.
How do you interpret John 17:20-26? Jesus prays before his crucifixion, “I make this request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in them and you in me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. Father, I want those whom you have given me to be with me where I am, in order that they may behold the glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world. Righteous Father, the world has not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in them.”
Hi there! That's quite a substantial chunk of Scripture that you're asking me to exposit for you in a RUclips comment, haha. Can you tell me more specifically what you're looking for?
@@theologywithseth Hello, I believe the person wants to know, like myself, how the Trinitarian doctrine holds up/ or can explain what Jesus was referring to in the verses above. I was raised a JW, and I am currently struggling. I am extremely confused when it comes to whether Jesus ever claimed to be God or simply referred to himself to be in unison with YHWH when he was a human. I am open to your perspective, and would appreciate a thorough explanation if possible. Thank you.
@@theologywithseth Jesus seems to be saying one thing repeatedly, that we are one with him just as he is one with the Father. Since you use this concept as a foundational argument for the trinity, should the other half of Jesus teaching also be acknowledged? Namely that we are one with Christ just as he is one with the Father.
Thanks again Seth. Give proper honor to Jesus Christ, Amen, let is be so! "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." - John 17:3 "I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" - Isaiah 42:8
1 corinthians 15:24 - 28. in the end Jesus himself will give the kingship back to his Father. If Jesus is God himself then why should he give the knigship back to his Father. Please read this scripture.
Actually a better question is if he isn’t God, why would he give the kingdom to him in the first place. The primitive understanding of the verse shows that Jesus takes the reins and sits on the throne then rules with authority of the Father after the end times. It would make sense that the totality of the Trinity would be the head of New Jerusalem. The Father was never just kicked out of the picture.
@@theologywithseththe point is its crystal clear that Jesus is not equal with the Father. The father is the only Almighty God. Father is the one giving authorization to the son Jesus.
@@hibrusteaseems like you didn't read the scripture I provided, it says Jesus will give the Kingdom back to his Father and Jesus himself will also submit under his Father. Very crystal clear.
HEBREW 5:7-9 If Jesus was God, why did Jesus plead to God with tears and outcries for help to save him from death? And God did save Jesus from death by resurrecting Jesus back to life, due to Jesus' "obedience," just as the scripture explain. MATTHEW 7:21-23 If Jesus is God why did he say that those who worship him instead of worshiping his Father in heaven, are his enemies? 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 ""FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, A MAN JESUS CHRIST."" GALATIANS 3:20. " THERE IS NO MEDIATOR WHEN JUST ONE PERSON IS INVOLVED, BUT GOD IS ONLY ONE."" How can Jesus be God and also be a mediator between God and men? How? God is not a man. God does not have to play people's games to explain who He is. He is God. He can speak for Himself, through the Bible. JOHN 1:18 ""NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME." Thousands have seen Jesus. HEBREWS 2:7,9 When Jesus was on earth, he was lower than the angels. NUMBERS 23:19 ""GOD IS NEVER A MAN.......GOD IS NEVER A SON OF MAN......"" What's the problem? Why does God have to be three in one? What's the benefit if God has a son that is Him? MATTHEW 3:17. What's so difficult with ""God is God and He has a son whom He loves and acknowledges, and approves as His son? What's so difficult about that? Have you heard the expression "like father like son?" Does that mean father and son are one person? MATTHEW 19:5-6 When God says " a man will leave his father and mother and stick to his wife and become one, that they are no longer two but one flesh," does that mean husband and wife literally become one person? Does "united' mean one" It takes two or more to unite. Cannot unite just one. JOHN 17 :20-21 When Jesus prayed to God the night before he was killed and Jesus prayed that he and his Father are one, and Jesus also prayed to God to take care of his followers so they too will also be one with with them, does that mean God and Jesus and all Jesus' disciples are literally one? Dont need to play games to understand God. The Truth is so clear and simple to understand. Why make the truth complicated and work so hard to explain it to others.
Is it not possible that Jesus is God in the flesh so that God could have the necessary interaction with His creation? God is the source of light and Jesus the vessel of that light. Revelation 21:23 No man can see God and live; yet through Jesus, we can.
Im an exjw and left about 6 years ago. Im an athiest now but i like listening to people explain the trinity, cuz it never makes any sense, i wasnt raised with it so it’s not second nature to me when i read the bible. Especially at 15:02 like come on, its pretty obvious all that jesus wants is that his dad rewards his loyalty by giving jesus back the power he had before. Not that he wants god to worship him. Im well aware of the countless problems with jw theology, and honestly the more they get wrong the better i feel. But just like christmas and how hell isnt a place for man, when there right there right. I did enjoy the vid, but it wasnt convincing in the slightest. So much trinity stuff is vague as hell and if god really wanted us to know that he was 3 parts in 1 or whatever he wouldnt have been so vague about it. If he has no problem being specific about so many other things i dont get why he wouldn’t be specific about a detail so important that its literally what defines someone as a “true christian” to so many.
Hi friend, I appreciate your honesty. This video wasn't really intended to convince anybody with a positive case that the Trinity is true. Rather, it was intended just to answer some of the common knee-jerk objections that people raise, once the positive case for the Trinity *has already been made* , if that makes sense. In my last video, I made a positive case for the Deity of Christ (one of the essential building blocks of the Trinity) so that's where you'd want to look to see our main reasons for believing it in the first place. I'll link it below. As far as the Trinity being vague, I would just disagree. Every point on it has a specific and clear Scripture backing. We believe there's only one God, and we have clear verses saying that there's only one God. We believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are called God, and we have clear verses identifying them as God. Then we believe that they are distinct Persons, and we have clear verses showing them interacting and experiencing real interpersonal relationships with one another. So the Biblical basis is anything but vague! The difficulty is trying to understand all of them at once. That's where we just have to accept the fact that we're finite humans trying to comprehend the infinite God of the Universe, and we're probably just going to have to submit to His revelation, even if there can be no final understanding on our part. I realize you're an atheist so this isn't to try and convince you that God exists, but I do want you to have a fair understanding of where Trinitarians are coming from. It's not a made-up doctrine, but is a solution to understanding doctrines already found in the Bible, even in the faulty New World Translation. (see below) Cheers! ruclips.net/video/Zd-cIcO-sFc/видео.html
In john 17:3-5 where is the third in the godhead ? Jesus was communicating with the father. Never the other god. How come ? Trinity is not backed by God nor jesus
Now I remember as a kid going to Kingdom Hall and a Witness was talking about The Muslims and had a conversation they wanted to buddies with them and I'm like what are y'all doing? That's so wrong😂
This is what happens when we take scripture out of context. it confuses the masses.Our God is the creator he is three in one. We don’t need to know or understand everything. Do the Jw believe he lived and died and was resurrected? Jesus is God.
@@tongakhan230The problem is that bodily death does not contradict immortality. Human souls are immortal, they will last for all eternity going forward. This is why Paul says we can at once "be away from the body and at home with the Lord," (2 Corinthians 5:8). Jesus being both fully God and fully human did not lose either one of those natures upon suffering bodily death, therefore not contradicting his immortality.
Jesus' statement in John 14:28 Jesus said, “If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Jesus was comparing their positions, not their nature. He was in a lesser position when he came to earth, but he was fully God in his deity. Jesus' divinity Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, and is equal to God the Father in nature. He is also equal to God the Father in his works, power, judgment, and honor. God and Jesus share kingship God and Jesus are both kings, and God shares his kingship with Jesus. The Trinity In mainstream trinitarian Christianity, the Trinity is made up of three persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Problem with your reasoning is there is no description of such a thing as natures in the biblical text. This is an assumption invention of the church, but that is not what’s clearly written nowhere. Does it say that Jesus had a human nature, fully man and a divine nature, fully God, it’s not there
This is the “not explicitly stated in scripture” fallacy. Just because it’s not explicitly stated does not mean it isn’t true. It’s blatantly obvious he has 2 natures stated by God and humanity and fits the story as a whole. The appeal to implicitly does not work here
Jesus said "upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it", the church will forever exist and the gates of hell will NEVER corrupt it, that's what Jesus promised as lord almighty, the church ecumenical councils are all led by the holy spirit (as can be shown in the council of Jerusalem in the book of acts), saying that this is a "church invention" is not an insult but rather a confirmation of scripture and proof that we are right on this matter.
Because if he successfully tempted Jesus to sin, it would disqualify him as our Savior and the whole world would remain in the kingdom of darkness. Fortunately, he failed, and Jesus Christ stands as the true King!
True, but remember- it's not necessarily an "either/or". In the case of the Incarnation, it's a "both/and". Since Satan knew that Jesus was made human, he must have figured he was now vulnerable to temptation and took his best shot. The fact that Jesus also had a Divine Nature, wouldn't have necessarily dissuaded Satan. It may also help to recall that Satan attempted to revolt against God Himself, even when he was in Heaven! He doesn't always do what is rational
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart 1 Pet 3:15 in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy John 5:23 all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father Ex 20:3 You shall have no other gods before me Scripture doesn't contradict itself. Christ the Lord is God
It absolutely contradicts itself. The Torah provides no information on the Trinity. Period. Deuteronomy 6:4 is clear. However, this does not take away from the great teachings and compassion of Jesus Christ. It only illustrates that the Torah and the New Testament are not connected from a worship perspective. They are not worshipping The Most High from the same process, rules, and understanding.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 Isa 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF, John 1:2,3 He was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 2 Chron 6:30 then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know for YOU ALONE know the hearts of the sons of men Jer 17:10 “I the Lord [YHWH] search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.” Rev 2:23 And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works. Yeah, no contradictions. Jesus is God, who made all things and searches the hearts and minds to repay for deeds. The Father judges no one (John 5:22,23). Psa 96 :13 Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is coming, For He is coming to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness And the peoples in His righteousness. Matt 16:27 Son of Man will come with his angels to repay each person for what he has done. Rev 22:12,13 Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! No contradictions.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 John 5:22,23 For the Father JUDGES no one, but has given ALL JUDGMENT to the Son Psa 96 :13 Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is COMING, For He is COMING to JUDGE the earth. He will JUDGE the world in righteousness And the peoples in His righteousness Psa 98:9 Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is COMING to JUDGE the earth; He will JUDGE the world with righteousness And the peoples with equity Matt 16:27 Son of Man will COME with his angels to repay each person for what he has done Rev 22:12,13 Behold, I am COMING soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am COMING soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! No contradictions.
Thank you so much! It can definitely be discouraging to see people ignore my points and jump directly into the comments, but I suppose the fact that they feel bothered enough to click on the video in the first place might be a sign that God is stirring in their hearts. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I have questions for you Seth. Why has the name Jehovah/Yahweh been removed from scripture, when it has over 6000 references to the name ? are you one of the trinitarians who say that Jesus is Jehovah ? The Bible warns about adding or removing from it, the warning not to add or take away from God’s commands applies to the entire Bible. With the name removed the bible can easily be twisted to fit your theology, with the name restored in the divine name king James bible it reads completely differently. BTW, i am a witness, i did not grow up as one and only had a brief study with them 30 odd years ago, i agree that 1914 is wrong and their whole interpretation of prophecy, which is based on that doctrine is wrong. But i agree with them that Jehovah is God and that Jesus is his son, along with some other doctrinal points they teach.
Hi there! Welcome to the channel and you have a great question! There's a lot of debate regarding how to interpret the specifics of that Psalm (How to translate certain key words, who the intended audience is, who these "gods" even are, etc). One thing I can say with a fair amount of confidence is that the message to these "gods" is negative. It's a psalm of judgment and disapproval and even though these beings are called "gods", it doesn't appear that they were deserving of that title and in that sense, they would be better classified as "false gods". I don't really see a contradiction here with Isaiah 43:10 because in that verse, it simply *can't* be talking about false gods because we know that there have been many false gods formed after the real God. So Isaiah must be saying that no *true* Gods have been formed after Him, referring to a quality of being that even the subjects of Psalm 82 did not possess. I'll freely admit that I'm not totally settled on the particulars of Psalm 82 right now, but even if I'm mistaken, that connection was only a small point at the bottom of one slide in my last video and I don't think my overall case is weakened in any significant way without it. Sorry for the delay on that! I saw you posted the same question on the last vid too, but I didn't have time to get to it. I hope you continue to enjoy my content and if you have any other questions, send 'em my way! Cheers
@@theologywithseth thanks for getting back to me. I’m on a journey and want to know the truth and not what someone tells me the truth is. I know there is a LOT weeds so I got to do some digging thank you for your time. Plus if I didn’t like your content I wouldn’t have subscribe. You keep teaching and I’ll keep digging.
@FrankLee-gq8yc I also think about Deuteronomy 18:20 with that and the I quoted from earlier Deuteronomy 13 I was thinking that is why Jesus told them to believe his work if the didn’t believe him in John 10:37,38 but it might just be me.
Agreed. Even in their own Bible, which they had the ability to alter at will, they *still* couldn't make a coherent theology out of it. The Bible is a Christian book, not a Jehovah's Witness book, that's for sure!
Jesus spent some of his most important time with his disciples teaching the Trinity. Jesus taught that Christians are named for the Trinity, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit come to make our lives their home. Although the word trinity doesn’t appear, Scripture clearly reveals the doctrine of God’s tri-unity (three in one). Here is the Trinity doctrine in six biblically based propositions:2 There is one, and only one, God (1 Timothy 2:5). The person of the Father is God (2 Peter 1:17). The person of the Son is God (Titus 2:13). The person of the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and simultaneously distinguishable persons (Luke 3:22). The three persons (Father or God; Son or Christ or Lord; and Holy Spirit or Spirit) are frequently listed together in a triadic pattern of unity and equality (John 14:26).
No, you got your Trinitarian beliefs from the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE. Christians have been trying to fit that apostate teaching into their belief system ever since.
I couldn’t because you are too indoctrinated in your own cognitive dissonance. You know the truth of the matter yet you refuse to except it. Instead you spew out your lies.
Well unfortunately, if you're unable to show me specifically where I use the Council of Nicaea or Constantine's teachings to support the doctrine of the Trinity, I'm afraid your claims aren't going to do much to change my mind. Thanks for sharing your opinion with me though, and I wish you all the best!
At the 19:00 timestamp in this video, the podcast creator asserts that Jesus only acknowledged the father as his God because he (jesus) was in human form. If this is the case, then why is it that in the book of Revelation (when Jesus has now fully assumed his divinity and "essence" and "being" ...all that non biblical made up stuff) that John STILL refers to the Father as Jesus god? Maybe is it now the apostle John's turn, since he (John) is still in human form that he wants to be respectful to the father and keeps calling the father Jesus's God? Rev 1:6. Please note that I am NOT a Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's witnesses believe that anointed Christians are IMMEDIATELY resurrected with christ as soon as they die. However, the Bible states categorically 1Thes 4:16 that the dead in christ are resurrecred at God's trumpet.
@ravikeller9626 Respectfully sir, please think before you respond and when you do respond it would be appreciated if you can cite a scripture that supports the assertions that you are making. Thanks in advance.
Hello @universalman5861. Firstly, I'm going to ask that you conduct yourself respectfully in my comment section. Second of all, there are many Scriptural passages that teach that Jesus is still fully man, even today. One is mentioned in the video (1 Timothy 2:5). According to that verse, Jesus is still a "man", even when Paul was writing to Timothy. Another would be Colossians 2:9 which says that the fullness of deity "dwells bodily" in *present tense* . Again, that indicates that Jesus still has his physical body even today. Also, the fact that he was raised physically, leaving an empty tomb behind, also bears witness to that. Many other passages could be cited, but those should be enough for you to meditate on and reconsider your views, and your comment. Cheers
Jesus Christ is the Almighty God who came into this Earth INSIDE a human body. That's it !!! NO trinity, No trinity of (so called) Roman gods, NO triune, NO trinity of anything. Just one Almighty God, and one man, the man Christ Jesus, and the Almighty God is INSIDE That man. (Which happened at his baptism) There is NO god called, God the Son, and there is NO god called, God the Holy Ghost/Spirit, in the word of God. (KJV version). FACT. BOTH of these two (so called) gods DO NOT EXIST IN SCRIPTURE. FACT. (KJV) There is Spirit. And there is flesh. There is God. And there is man. The Almighty God is INSIDE That man. (The man Christ Jesus) NO trinity !!! Mark 4:9 (KJV)
@@jeffstewart1668 Our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God NEVER claimed to be God. FACT. He CANNOT be God because God id a Spirit. Jn.4:24 And God is NOT a man. Num.23:19 (KJV) Jesus the only begotten Son of God and Son of man is a man, a human being. FACT. PLEASE KNOW and UNDERSTAND WHO our Lord Jesus Christ is. YOUR soul depends on it Jeff. Mk.4:9 (KJV)
@tpv59 Psalms 82. I see he's a servant of God. HIGH Priest- Spirit of Prophecy. Chief Cornerstone. Offspring of David.( Bright Morning Star?) Hebrews.7:26. Psalms 45: 7-8. 1st Corinthians 15:10. John i:40 but in fact you Jews are Longing To Kill Me Jesus amen who was spoken to you the truth which I have from God.2 Peter 1: 20 knowing this first that no Prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. Sad need the holy spirit that God gave us through Jesus Christ.justsaying
@@jeffstewart1668 Hello Jeff, again, to the POINT, Jesus (the) Christ IS the Almighty God who came into this world INSIDE a human body, INSIDE a human being, INSIDE a human man. (Which happened when he was baptised, with the (Holy) Spirit of God) That's it!! (In a nutshell) The NAME of the Almighty God (in English) is Jesus Christ. And when he came in the flesh (INSIDE a human body) his NAME is Jesus Christ. Do You understand Jeff? Regards.
what does "where" mean? because as far as we know today the beginning of the universe was also the beginning of spacetime. so before making the universe there would be no "place" for God to be, which isn't a problem because He doesn't have a body
@@stephenrandell7152 my God IS (His name is "I AM"). He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. there was never a time when my God didn't exist and there never will be. He is the cause and Creator of all things, while Himself being uncreated.
At 14 :50 the claim is: The only true God exists as three persons, among whom is the son. However: My only car exists as many parts among which is the steering wheel. *But* my steering wheel is NOT the car. The bunch exists as three grapes, among which one is bruised. *But* one grape is NOT the bunch. The claim is logically false, defying normal modes of thought, creating confusion and mystery.
All you’ve done is propose terrible analogies that are examples of the heresy of partialism. You haven’t actually properly identified what the trinity is. You’ve only made straw-man claims
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate So we agree that defining the oneness of God as a complex unity of persons doesn't work. The other option is to define the oneness of God by the characteristics or *qualities* of the persons, their common "nature". Jesus is good, The holy spirit is good The father of Jesus is good The Triune God is good So they are all good. They all belong to the one goodness category, the one divinity club. So "God" is defined as the highest good (as Jordon Peterson seems to espouse). Or "God" is divinity itself. The problem here is that in scripture God is not a single category, but a *single person* . "I am the God of Abraham..." "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is *one LORD* : Not one divinity category, but *one LORD* , one person, the God of Israel, the creator (Ps 33:6,9).
If his divine nature didn't die then how was he dead? He didn't die for real. This is so ridiculous. Satan should have contested that Jesus wasn't a real man and therefore he didn't answer any questions. Of course God in the flesh answers none of the questions about human Creatures.
When we die, do we stop existing? No, we still have a soul that exists after bodily death which will be judged. So when Jesus died, neither did he stop existing
On the contrary! I love Jehovah's Witnesses dearly. That's why a substantial part of my ministry is dedicated towards reaching them. If I didn't care about them, I wouldn't attempt to help them at all
It feels like you are not explaining away contradictions but just claiming they aren't contradictions. How can Jesus be God and Man? God and Man are two different things. A shape can't be a sphere and a cube. If you find something that seems to be both it is really neither. Just some rounded cube shape.
Hello friend, I totally hear what you're saying. I think this is one of those areas where we have to decide ahead of time, whether we will force Scripture to submit to our own finite logic, or whether we will force our own finite logic to submit to Scripture. If God has revealed that His Son has both a Divine Nature and a human nature all at once, then it is our job to accept it rather than to reject it. In your analogy, the sphere and the cube are describing *one single shape* , which is why it sounds contradictory. But in our belief, Divinity and humanity are describing *two different natures* . That may very well be a mystery, but it's not technically a contradiction. Blessings!
@@theologywithseth If you note a problem with Mormon doctrine would you accept the following aplogetic? " _There is no contradiction there but your puny mind is not capable of understanding the explanation_ "
Hello @leora2455! I addressed every single one of those verses directly and thoroughly in my video. Friendly reminder to always watch the video before commenting! Remember, a sincere truth seeker is always slow to speak, quick to listen, and open to hearing what "the other side" has to say. Blessings!
i don't go to church but i believe in god .. your problem is that you have 3 gods even if you say that there is 3 person in one god making the essence god and not the father only ... but to us there is one god the father... did you think that the prophet , jesus , and the apostle believe that god is compose in 3 person? ... if they would had believe that then they would say so ... but the truth is that they said that the father is the only god ... 1Cor 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. what did paul said? but to us there is one god ... and who did he say it was , the father ... if he would believe that the trinity was god he would had said the trinity and not the father... you believe in doctrine of men more than the words of christ which came from the father and the apostles who also had the spirit of the father ( the holy spirit ) ... by the way the holy ghost is the father because jesus is the child of the holy ghost matthew 1:18 and jesus was also created ... Rev 3:14 (KJV) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ... the beginning of the creation of god started in day 1 of creation stop following doctrine of men and start following jesus Matt 17:5 (KJV) While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
@@rafaelo2215 I do think that the prophets and the apostles believed that God is 3 in 1. It explains why they call Jesus God, use old testament descriptions of God on Jesus, worship him and much more. It would be to long to address all your claims but here is one: the father is the only true God. This statement is true, but you forgot that Jesus is the same God only a different person. That's why also Jesus is the only true God without contradicting the first statement.
@@Amperiyan i tend to believe what jesus said and what paul said not in a doctrine that a man made up ....jesus said that the father is the only god and that his father is our god john 17:3 john 20:17 and revelation 3:12 ... paul said it also in 1 corinthians 8:6 ... but to us there is one god, the father ... and your statement above is not found in scripture only in doctrine of men paul said it simple there is on god and then told you who he was ... he said the father
@@rafaelo2215 careful with the wording Jesus said" you are the only true God" not "only you are the true God" He said "to your God and my God" not "our God" Beginning of creation in revelation means more like the source of the creation, not that he is the first created. As other verses say: Jesus created everything and without him nothing was created. What Paul is doing in this verse is connecting Jesus ultimately with God. One God and One Lord
@@Amperiyan let me put the verse up ... 1) John 17:3 (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 2) John 20:17 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 3) Rev 3:12 (KJV) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. paul said ... 1Cor 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. one god ... the father
4:23 - JWs don‘t agree on the idea that biblically speaking any other gods than „the only true God“ are false gods. Thats a core issue with talking about the subject to Trinitarians - they think that „deity“ is a nature only the triune God can carry - that my friends is not the case. The biblical term „elohim“ (hebrew) or „theos“ (greek) is ascribed to humans, angels, body parts, things and foremost YHWH (the only true God). YHWH carries the title „God“ in the ultimate sense. He‘s the only one called „almighty“ (Jesus never is). It‘s like the biblical term Father - Jesus said „Call no one on earth Father for one is your Father, the heavenly one“ (Matthew 23:9) Using the same logic you mentioned in your video, the billions of Fathers whose offspring call them „Father“ call a false Father. You get the point?
My goodness. Do JWs ever read the Bible for themselves? Have they ever heard of the word "Context"? In Mat 23:9, Jesus is contrasting his disciples with the Pharisees who love honorific titles like "Rabbi." He is not speaking about natural relations (ie. calling a biological parent "father") or secular relationships (ie. calling a person at school "teacher"), he is speaking about spiritual communities. Christians are to call each other "brothers and sisters" and reserve honorific titles such as "Father" (something Elisha called Elijah; 2Ki 2:12), Rabbi, teacher, etc. for the Father and the Son. There is only one God, the triune God who subsists in three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Others who act as proxy for God can be called "god" (angels or humans), though they are not really gods. People who reject the true god make for themselves false gods. Satan is called the god of this age/world because the world has rebelled against the true God and taken a counterfeit instead. The NT identifies Jesus as YHWH, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT YHWH passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). Thus, Jesus is the Almighty. The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t YHWH, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth That was my whole point - the term „God“ just as „Father“ is ambiguous, and we need to identify how the term is used in its context. Biblically, anything that is worshiped can be termed a „god“, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. (Romans 16:18; Philippians 3:18, 19) The Bible makes mention of many gods (Psalm 86:8; 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6), but it shows that the gods of the nations are valueless gods. (Psalm 96:5) For instance, at Psalm 82:1, 6, ʼelo·himʹ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for God Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh. (Ex 4:16) Were any of the latter „false gods“?
Context is key. The Bible makes it very clear that there is only one God and all others are not real gods. A person can venerate anything they want and make it their god, but that doesn't make it an actual God. This is why the prophets mocked people who cut down a tree and made a god out of part of the tree and burned the other part of the tree. It would be just as foolish as making your belly your god. As David Garland says, "The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong."[1] People can be called god when they act as proxy for God, but that doesn't make them actual gods. In the Bible, Christians and Jews did not call a proxy "My God" or "Our God." Jehovah alone was their God. Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, which is why the disciples could call Jesus, "My God" and "Our God." [1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:5.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth 2. Thessalonians 2:4 Paul here suggests that the corrupt “man of lawlessness” would exalt himself by teaching twisted things that run counter to the law of God. (2Th 2:3) The phrase “every so-called god” might include powerful humans, such as secular rulers. (Compare Joh 10:34-36.) Paul thus suggests that this self-important “man” behaves as if his teaching were the supreme authority. The point is: John 17:3 is unambiguous - there is only one God in the truest sense! That is the Father! The Bible says that Jesus „shall be called ‚might God‘“ (Isaiah 9:6) - this was a future prophecy, and Jesus was not called „mighty God“ before. Also, he would not be called „Almighty God“! Psalm 110:1 says: „Jehovah said to my Lord…“ - my Lord being pre-human Jesus. If Jehovah is the triune God = Jesus, why would Jesus/Jehovah speak to Jesus? In that Psalm, Jehovah sends the pre-human Jesus and would „extend the scepter of your (Jesus’) power“ - mind you, God does not speak to Jesus’ human nature here. How could Jesus’ power be „extended“ if he were God Almighty? That doesn’t make any sense! It only makes sense if they are different/distinct beings, and Jesus‘ power is not almighty! Also, the Bible clearly identifies God Almighty as a PERSON, and not only as a BEING: God is one person (Acts 3:19,20 ; Hebrews 9:24 - check the Interlinear: „prosópon“ is used, which means „face“ (singular) - same word is used in Matthew 22:16 and Luke 20:21 KJV where it is translated with „person“)
Jehovah is called "Mighty God" in Isa 10:22. Therefore, Isa 9:6 is saying that Jehovah would be the Messiah. In Psalm 16:2, we are told that Jehovah is David's Lord. In Psalm 110, Jehovah says to David's Lord (whom we've already been told is Jehovah).... The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). And, as I've already shown before, the disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth 1 Cor. 8:6? “For us there is one God, the FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we live.” The Bible says the Almighty God is the FATHER, not all three! Heretics
@@Popeyeee-v6c In 1Cor 8:6, Paul takes the Shema from the LXX (the same that Jesus quoted from in Mark 12:29) and applies it to BOTH the Father and the Son. The Shema, from Deuteronomy 6:4 LXX is, Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεός), the Lord (κύριος) is one.’ In 1Corinthians 8:6, Paul Christianizes the Jewish Shema by glossing the title “God” (θεός) to the Father and Lord (κύριος) to the Son. As David Garland says, “The creedal statement καὶ ὅτι οὐδεὶς θεὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς (kai hoti oudeis theos ei mē heis, that no God [exists] except one) echoes the basic Jewish confession in the Shema (Deut. 6:4; 4:35, 39; Isa. 44:8; 45:5).... The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong…. Paul creatively christianizes the foundational Jewish monotheistic confession: ‘The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). He glosses the reference to Lord and God in that confession so that ‘God’ refers to the Father and ‘the Lord’ refers to Christ.”[1] And as Gordon Fee says, “Although Paul does not here call Christ God, the formula is so constructed that only the most obdurate would deny its Trinitarian implications. In the same breath that he can assert that there is only one God, he equally asserts that the designation ‘Lord,’ which in the Greek OT was used to replace the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and thus belongs singularly to the one God, is the proper designation of the divine Son.” JWs make several errors: 1) they ignore the context, 2) they ignore the fact that Paul is citing the Shema and Christianizing it, 3) they ignore the fact that Kurios is used for the tetragrammaton, and 4) they are inconsistent. If Jesus can’t be God because Paul says that the Father is the Christian God, then the Father can’t be Kurios because Paul says Jesus is the Christian Kurios. Which would mean that the Father is a different God than the OT God. When read in context, this passage is a powerful proclamation that Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God. [1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6. [2] Gordon D. Fee, The First Epistle to the Corinthians, Revised (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2014), ePub, 8:6
Franky, can you tell me what a JW Biblical scholar says regarding 1Cor 8:6? Oh, wait! You can't, there aren't any Biblical scholars who are JW because knowing the Bible disqualifies a person from being JW. JW preys on ignorance.
Franky, you should check the video when you think a post has been deleted, otherwise, you look like a JW, ie a fool. When God inspired Paul to write, it was in Greek. Do you know Greek? Then you require a scholar to translate the verse for you. Those who know Greek can see the connection between this verse and the Greek Shema. Now, can you cite me any JW scholars?
If the Trinity is true, then answer this (in a clear way and without the backflips you usually do): 1) Since 1 John 5:7 is a spurious text, should Trinitarians honestly use it to defend their doctrine? 2) The Father is a person, named YAHWEH or JEHOVAH. The Son is a person, named Jesus Christ. What is the name of the Spirit? Doesn’t it have a name? Then is it impersonal? 3) Why do we have fellowship with the Father and His Son, and enjoy the fellowship of the Spirit? Why do we not have fellowship with the Spirit? 4) Did Jesus Christ recognize the Father or Himself as the only true God? 5) After His ascension and glory, when John saw Him on the Isle of Patmos, how did Jesus refer to His Father? 6) Christ admitted He could do nothing but through the Father. How is this explained? If Jesus is God, wouldn’t He be self-sufficient and complete in Himself? 7) How do Trinitarians explain 1 Cor. 8:6? “For us there is one God, the FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we live.” 8) Why is there no prayer directed to the Holy Spirit, and why did the apostles rarely mention Him in their greetings and doxologies? 9) In Revelation 22:1, on the New Earth, we find the thrones of the Father and the Lamb (Jesus / John 1:36). If Jesus is God, why does He have a throne separate from the Father’s? And where is the Holy Spirit’s throne, if He is part of the “Trinity”? 10) In Matthew 24:35-37, Jesus said: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as in the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” If Jesus is God incarnate, shouldn’t He know the day and hour of His return? After all, God knows all things. Thus, if Jesus does not know all things, He cannot be God.
Since both ideas of who Jesus is can be taken from the Bible, we should not be so rigid to dismiss those who disagree with us. What is important is this: Because of the death of Jesus, the Almighty God has reconciled the world to Himself. This is what is important. Not all of us are going to come to terms about who is Jesus at the end but knowing that we have peace with the Almighty because of his death is what counts. Colossians 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Also check 2 Corinthians 5:18-21.
Who's cross? If you say, "Jesus'," then the question remains-who is Jesus? Who he is matters. In fact, it is integral to salvation (John 17:3; Rom 10:9-13). If I believe that Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher, as many atheists believe, will I be saved? What if I believe that he was a prophet of Islam? If you say, "No," then you prove my point.
Since both sides are taken from the Bible and since the Bible didn’t fall out of the sky and since the church that Jesus established can never fail then dont you think the evidence is in how, who, when the bible came into existence… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
But if Jehovahs Witnesses are right, Christians are committing idolatry and will be annihilated at Armageddon. If Christians are right, then Jehovah’s Witnesses are denying the true person of Christ and are going to Hell. Those aren’t exactly low stakes. I think this debate matters far more than you give it credit for
@@ravikeller9626I agree. But JWs standpoint that Jesus is Michael is very loosely connected the verse that Jesus will return with the voice of an archangel. Notice how it says an and not the archangel. That Jesus is God has much more and much stronger verses. In Mark's introduction he says it is fulfilled: a voice prepares a way for the LORD. the voice is John the baptist and the Lord is Jesus, but in Isaiah it is Jehovah. Also John says in John 12:41 that Isaiah saw Jesus, but in Isaiah 6, where John's quote is from, Isaiah sees Jehovah.
The idea that Jesus was the word of God, John 1:14 " and the word became flesh" has to be understood correctly. 1- We know Jesus was conceived in Mary, he is a human being formed by a male and female sex cell. The Almighty added the male cell to Mary's female cell to create Jesus in Mary's womb. 2- Jesus did not have two natures, only one. We do not find anything that says Jesus was more than a human being. 3- Even though some verses such as John 17:5 leads us to believe that Jesus preexisted, we can read John 17:20-23 to understand that Jesus was speaking in a prophetic sense. Just as in John 17:20-23, Jesus in 22 " The glory that you have given me I have given to them," and this could not have occurred since he is praying for people in the future, John 17:5 is also a promised given to Jesus that is written as already occurring which actually has not taken place. Jesus, from the foundation of the world existed in the plan of the Almighty and his glory was also promised before the foundation of the world, but it did not come to pass until after he was resurrected to immortality from the dead.
Sorry, but where do you find Biblical support for the claim that God "added male cells to Mary's female cell to create Jesus"? In the OT, God’s “Word” is his powerful self-expression in creation, revelation and salvation, and is not only personified but, at times, appears to be a hypostasis-e.g., “The Word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision” [Gen. 15:1]. A vision is something one sees, not hears. The Aramaic Targums take this further, explicitly making God’s Word (“Memra”) a hypostasis. We know John was familiar with the Hebrew OT, Greek Septuagint, and Aramaic Targums. (Do you need me to demonstrate that?) This background made it perfect for John’s identification of Jesus as the ultimate self-disclosure of God. For John, Jesus is the Word of God, and the manifestation of God become human. He even identifies Jesus as “The Word of God” in Rev. 19:13, stating, “His name is also called The Word of God.” Now, your Unbiblical unitarian claim that “Word” in John 1:1 is “God’s plan,” does not fit in the context of John 1. Let’s consider the passage: In v. 1, the Word was προς God. In the NT, almost exclusively, refers to two persons. In v. 1, the Word is Word is both WITH God and WAS God. Perhaps you can say that God’s plans were with him, but you can’t say that God’s abstract plans were God. In v. 3, “All things came to be _through_ him.” This means that the Word (Jesus) was the agent of creation (ie, the hands-on creator). It is nonsensical for something abstract like God’s plans to be the agent of creation, rather, it would be God himself. In v. 11, “He came to what was his own, but his own people did not receive him” (NET). This is referring to a kinship, which a plan doesn’t have-only a person can come to their own people. In v. 12, “But to all who have received him-those who believe in his name -he has given the right to become God’s children” (NET). Do people receive a plan or a person? A person. What is the name of that person whom they believe in? Jesus! A plan cannot grant anything, only a person can. In v. 14, the Word became flesh, which means the Word became human. Who was that? Jesus. “And we saw HIS glory.” Who’s glory did they see? The glory of a plan or of the μονογενης (only begotten Son)? In v. 15, John testifies about the Word. Did John testify about a person or a plan? A person-Jesus! The whole introduction is about Jesus, not a plan.
Son of man and Son of God are two different things. Jesus is man and Son of man because he is actually son of Adam. Son of God is another way of saying CREATURE. Adam son of God. Angelic sons of God! God can't copulate. All his sons are creatures! If he personhood of Jesus Christ is God, he can't be son of God because he is ACTUALLY God! Is Adam the son of Man? That is just stupid! Adam IS NOT SON OF MAN! IF JESUS US GOD HE CANNOT BE SON OF GOD! STOP THE SOPHISTRY!
My friend… I’ve been a Jehovah’s Witness for 33+ years well studied in the Greek and Hebrew… in this video you said let’s focus in on the son … and you said that Jesus took on a human nature alongside his divine nature as a man… my friend, that is absolutely incorrect… and Trinitarians like to go to Philippians 2:7… and say the scripture proves it … to be quite honest this claim ..boggles my mind because the very scripture you guys use to somehow say he was a god man teaches the absolute opposite… So what does Philippians 2:7 say but EMPTIED himself by taking the form of a servant being born in the likeness of man…. The Greek word here for EMPTY… strong(2758 kenoo-to empty out , to render void, to be emptied without recognition, perceived as valueless) pointing out the nature that he was in - heaven as a spirit no longer exist… the Greek word here (Kenoo) it’s only used in the New Testament three times… Romans 4:14;1 Corinthians 1:17; and 2 Corinthians 9:3… and in every one of the scriptures it’s used as something that is empty and valueless … showing that Jesus was completely empty of his divine quality Philippians says he emptied himself of those qualities… so my friend, according to the Bible, you were incorrect… and what is more the Bible emphasizes this in other scriptures such as… hebrews2:7,9… verse 7… reeds .. You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor and appointed him over the works of your hands…. verse 9 But we do see Jesus who was made a little lower. (clearly , not God man) than the angels now crown with glory and honor for having suffered death so that by Gods undeserved kindness, he might taste death for everyone…… all of this points to the fact… that he emptied himself of divine qualities and truly became a man lower than the angels… there’s no scripture in the Bible that says Jesus is God man nowhere… so why are sanitarians speaking this way about Jesus?….. because I can’t speak to everything you said in this video I wanna point out the scripture you went to and asked John.17:3… and it reads… this means everlasting life. They’re coming to know you the only true God and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ… the Greek word here for ONLY(strong 3441).. means… alone, only solitary… showing that Jesus truly excluded himself from the category of only true God… and place the father and father alone in that category of God ….that’s a fact… then you went to verse 5 … pointed out that Jesus was asking God to glorify him with the glory that he had a long side of him… and try to say that this makes him God because of this glory that he was asking God to glorify him with… thinking of falsely I might add… that this is the glory that God possesses… simply incorrect because if we go to verse 22.. Jesus says… I have given them THE GLORY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME an order that they may be one just as we are one… So my friend, you’re hermeneutics on these matters are incorrect… Jesus gave his followers the same glory that the father gave him and what does it say after that?…. IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE … Jesus is clearly qualifying his statement … I could speak much more about this video, but I will stop here!!!
@@markjackson5035 you made a mistake here. Jesus said that the father is the only true God. He didn't say only he is the true God. I think it's important to see where the word only is. Because if we take the Trinity, it can be said without contradiction that the father is the only true God and the son is that same only true God.
@@Amperiyan and Jesus Is the speaker here… Trinitarians believe in 3 WHOSE AND ONE WHAT… And the three WHOSE are distinct from one another… so what is the WHAT…. The what… is God … If he called the father, the only true God/WHAT… Then under no condition, can Jesus be that ONE WHAT… why because the father son and Holy Spirit are distinct WHO’S … And so if you call JESUS HERE, A WHAT you will have two Almighty God here, my friend because the who’s are not the one what … and the three who’s are distinct from one another my friend
@@Amperiyan and where did Jesus state that he is also „the only true God“? There‘s more being said in John 17:3 - Jesus makes a very clear distinction between „the only true God“ (the Father) and „the one whom you (the only true God/Father) sent. Question: when did the Father send the Son. Did that happen after Jesus was born? Or before? How could the Father send the Son if they are fully united in will and mind (sharing the divine nature) - why would a sending be necessary?
@@GsWitness it's not the question where but more what would convince you. If the authors of the Gospels would identify Jesus with Jehovah, would that be enough for you?
The main fact of your statements were that you mentioned, “our BELIEFS “. Well…that’s the point. There is NO right or wrong either way that, because they are what they are…BELIEFS. There are many Beliefs in the world, just a fact of being human. Within Christianity there a so, so many differing denominations. Differing on interpretation, or religious services…etc…etc. Again, not an issue of right or wrong. It’s just the way humanity is. Other religions have there differing sects, or understanding, or interpretations of their scriptures too. The point is that it is a belief system. Belief and knowing are two different things. Example: you look at a car, you wouldn’t say you believe it’s a car, because you KNOW it’s a car. Now…belief is a powerful thing, people can, or choose to believe in something, in this case , something about God; and the belief is so deeply felt that it is truth, in their belief that is. All the deeply felt beliefs cannot be ALL correct, cannot be all the truth, can they? So… here is a peaceful compromise. Agree that there are many different beliefs and within that reality, why not let each other do their “ thing” for lack of a better word, and just respect one another’s beliefs and live in peace with it? Don’t let the ego, or a self righteousness attitude cause hatred or division. Because if someone does, they are actually going against their own belief system. So let the differing denominations within Christianity be and live and worship the way they want, we do that for each other, even with totally different religions, give them and they give the others the same love and respect. Nobody really KNOWS what THE REAL truth is, we just have our BELIEFS. Peace to ALL…Amen?
Correct me if I’m misunderstanding, but you seem to be saying that we cannot know objective truths, and we can only subjectively decide things. Is that right?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate when it comes to a belief in a all Supreme Deity, in this case G-d, or whichever name applies depending upon the scriptural writings of whichever religion, the belief can only be, in our capabilities to fully understand the objective truth about G-d, subjective; that’s part of being human.
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate when you look at humanity from the outside…. Yes, because that’s how it is, for now. If G-d came to humanity in person and taught us everything we needed to know about G-d…then it would be objective.
lol @ "The president is greater than you / your boss at work is greater than you but that doesn't mean you're not fully human" yeah but I am not the same as the President/my boss so that's a ridiculously flawed analogy. If I were the boss at my job, then the boss is not greater than me. If I were the president, the president would not be greater than me.
And in a similar way, the Father is not the same person as the Son. Someone can have a greater office than you while still being equally human. What exactly is your objection?
@@bgslayer4529 the objection is they can't have a higher office than you if you hold that office. The office being "God." We're not talking about Father/Son because that's not what Jesus said according to the scripture. The objection is that he used a fundamentally different scenario to analogize the text and it therefore does not provide any actual counter to the particular position he is trying to address in that section of the video.
Jesus sonship is his human nature. One person 2 nature's human and divine. He took upon himself the form of a servant. Before he was manifest in the flesh he was the word co equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Godhead. Jesus was baptised in Holy Spirit. Which is why the Apostolic church did similar things when as men they were baptised in the Holy Spirit.
I made this point in the previous video but as it was not addressed I hope the podcast creator can respond to my position this time around.Secondly, as to Jesus being the Alpha and Omega: When this expression is used describing Yahweh in the old testament, it is ALWAYS accompanied by him being able to tell the first things from ancient times, calling things that are not yet present as what they will be; essentially Yahweh as the master of time and knowledge. Show me ONE use of Jesus using the title Alpha and Omega where he demonstrates he is the master of time and knowledge, able to call things that are not as that which will come into being. If this guy just simply read and understood Revelation 1:1 he would realise that all his arguments are belied by this one verse. Revelation is the last book of the bible and when it was written Jesus is NO LONGER HUMAN BUT HAS ASSUMED HIS SUPPOSED DIVINITY/ESSENCE/BEING with Yahweh . This is no longer the limited "man god" of the gospels but the full divine all powerful, all knowing Jesus in divine spirit form sharing the same essence as the father right? I say this because trinitarians say that when jesus said that "only the father knows" when judgement day is, he was still limited by being in human form. Fine , cool. So please explain to me why a FULLY DIVINE SPIRIT FORM Jesus STILL does not know and has to get a revelation from his father. If Jesus, now in spirit form , is now "Alpha and omega" why does he still depend on his father for a revelation. The point is that simply sharing a title does not mean that we have the same competence. Hence just the most basic comparison of the phrase 'Alpha and the Omega' when used with Jesus /Jehovah would demonstrate the obvious difference between them.
Jesus had a bodily resurrection and ascension. He will never cease to be fully man and fully God, and men by their nature have physical bodies. There is no upcoming "fully divine spirit form". His transfiguration on Mount Tabor, prior to his death, resurrection and ascension, shows he always had his full divine glory, but that it had not been fully revealed to the world yet.
@brandonleap1673 Let me grant you all that you are advocating and let's see how well it harmonizes with the rest of the Bible. Let's assume you are correct that Jesus always had his full divine glory. Am I to assume that this "divine glory" also includes his omniscience? If yes, then why is it that only the father knows when is judgement? Shouldn't Jesus in all his " divine glory" know this? Also, why does God need to give him the revelation at Rev 1:6?
@@universalman5861 Christ being the only example of a fully divine and fully human person leaves a lot of mystery as to how those two intelligences interact. It does not logically follow though that since the Word of God has divine omniscience that his assumed human nature needs to have constant access to it, nor that it ought to. Second, denying Jesus' bodily resurrection and ascension into heaven, denies us having the possibility to do so. Christ made human nature righteous by performing those actions as a human, and by his continued existence as one. Eliminating the incarnation of God the Word throws the possibility of salvation out the window, and makes his death on the cross unjust.
@brandonleap1673 Do you believe that the all knowing "Alpha and Omega" can reside in a human body? Jesus christ in Revelation categorically states that he is the Alpha and Omega. Additionally, do you believe that in this human form in heaven he is the equal as Yahweh the father? Finally, if all three( father , son , holy spirit) share the same being, do you believe that a man in human form can share the same being as the holy spirit and the father?
@@universalman5861 My answer to all of those questions is yes although I may use different wording for the first one. What you treat as absurd is what Christendom has always believed. Do you believe Jesus is human then becomes God later?
Thetes no records the apostles baptizing this way, " in the name of the father, and of the son and of the holy spirit, Jesus did not said to them, " make disciples in all earth,but leave them whatevet they want to acts or teach, So, ,,,,the Jw's, are exactly inlined of the apostles beliefs,
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@evanwindom Thank YOU! I appreciate that more than I can say. God bless you!
@@theologywithseth I appreciate that you can deal with the falsehoods of the WT, and still be gracious. So many times, dealing with JWs can quickly become more than a little contentious. I had a ex-JW unitarian get really insulting and condescending with me just because I didn't accept what he said as a foregone conclusion. It's really refreshing to hear solid, scripturally based refutations and arguments without the drama and insults. Great series!
I found your channel over the last couple of months and have used the information you uploaded to talk to my Oma about her faith in Watchtower. Your suggestion for starting a discussion with 1 Peter 3 15 as an opening verse has helped me have a productive conversation. Thank you and God Bless
That's what I call packing a lot of information into a 24:37 video. Excellent video, excellent information and a clear refutation of the Watchtower doctrine. Exegesis trumps eisegesis.
I'm so glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching and leaving a comment
This is excellent! So glad to have found your channel!
Thank you so much! Glad you've found the channel as well
Former JW here. I’m new to your channel but think you do a great job. I’m still struggling with the trinity doctrine. I love Jesus as my God but still believe that Jehovah is God Almighty. The Holy Spirit is too abstract to me now in my re-learning life long beliefs. It’s heart breaking knowing I’ve been willfully misguided for the last 60 years. Thankfully God is a reader of hearts…..He led me to you, didn’t he?😊
He sure did! I think you're in the right place and I'm very glad you're here! I think all Christians struggle with the Trinity doctrine, but hopefully my videos will help in some way. My next video will be about the Holy Spirit so I think you'll enjoy that! Also, I hope you'll check out some of my other JW videos in this my playlist and if you have any questions at all, let me know!
If what your saying is true Jesus was praying to himself all during his ministry. So asking himself for help. But why if he's the Almighty, and co-equal to the father.?
The Trinity doctrine says all 3 persons are coequal and co-eternal. So doesn't the father always precede the son and the son comes from the father so they're not co-eternal.
@@RoryP-s7p, no Jesus (the incarnated Word of God) prayed to the Father, not to Himself.
The way I understand trinity, our ONE eternal God Yehovah reveal Himself to us as the Father (because He created everything that exist), the Word of God (Yehovah operating in the physical realm also seen as the Angel of God) and the Spirit of God (Yehovah operating in the spirit realm, different function yet same Yehovah.
@@Shammalamma i feel you. Forget about this pagan three substances but one being. It is not biblical. John 17:3 jesus said "for this is eternal life that they may know you the only true God and jesus christ whom you have sent". No word about the third god of this 3in1. Also note trinity doctrine is a church creed not a biblical one. Its origin is pagan just like xmas and easter. Logos was never associated with a person.
I was going to suggest you do a video on the objections posted on your last video, but you beat me to the punch.
Haha I figured it would make sense to cover that next. Thank you for watching!
If you are talking to a Muslim (only saying that because I don't know whats written in new world translation)there is a verse where jesus called himself the good shepherd JOHN 10: 11-16
And in the old testament the Good shepherd is God psalm 23 so that can highlight the point as well
That's a very excellent point! I'll keep that in mind for my series on Islam! Thank you for sharing with me
@FrankLee-gq8yc I'm all about those connections! Thanks for sharing
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Good Day. Its quite clear that the NT is written from a trinitarian perspective. You might want to look at the inscription found in 2005-6 on the floor of the Christian meeting house discovered at Megiddo. The inscription dates to around AD230. It is from "the Godlover Akeptous in honour to JesusGod.". ( I showed it to an Org leader - it went right over his head and he had to somehow slot it into his world view" " thats interesting ". He said. (But we have only just started talking....)their diminished view of God means they have to deny or avoid issues. They cannot cope with their "escape route" foundations being erradicated because they don't know Him who sets people free.
“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?”
Hebrews 1:5 ESV
“But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.”
Hebrews 1:8 ESV
Here: The father calls him his Son, and God
This is precisely why the JW’s are fiercely critical of Christianity but I have yet to hear from them any objections to Islam; on balance, those two religions are, in many ways, both on the same page.
I think you're right! They also borrow a lot from each other's "apologetics". Since they both deny the Trinity and Deity of Christ, you'll often find the same arguments used by both religions. The good news is, by learning to refute one, you can refute the other! Thank you for watching
@@theologywithseth, to deny the deity of Christ they have to deny the trinity, boil down to the same thing. Here we see why s atan try to hide this...
J ohn 8:23-24 K J V
[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall d ie in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall d ie in your sins.
Jesus made it clear how important it is to believe He is I am, Ego Eimi in original Greek, pointing right back to Exodus 3:14-15 where He gave His eternal name to Moses.
Blessings.
@@delemaitreful they partner for a great part with islam. All religions have become cults since they went to the world and twisted their holy books
Seth I just came across your videos and have enjoyed them so far. About a month ago I had a talk with a jw on tik tok, he was having a debate with a Oneness Pentecostal, and an ex Jehovah's Witness. So when I came up, he was angry from the beginning, but when I came up, I started smacking all of his points down he didn't like that. Then he brought up colossians 1:15-16 in the NWT, trying to tell me that the Greek word prototokos means first created. I said protoketesis means first created, he said in a very arrogant manner, that I was wrong then when I showed him, he got even more angry. I told him that the Greek word prototokos has two definitions. The first definition is one of an eldest child or sibling, then after that I said the second definition means pre-eminent. Lies lies lies lie lie lie lie lies that's what he said. Then again the ex Jehovah's Witness and the Oneness Pentecostal backed me up, then they pulled up Bible hub and it said exactly what I said. The ex Jehovah's Witness said Jeremiah Is correct. Then in verse 16 he tried to go against the Greek word ta panta which in Greek means all things, everything. So I showed him the reason why his argument didn't work saying Jesus was created.
Hi @jeremiahrowesr.3130! I'm thrilled that you've been putting your faith in action and reaching out to JW's! That's exactly what I'm hoping my series will inspire others to do as well. It sounds like you came up against a very obstinate witness. They're out there and sometimes all you can do is preach the truth and then pray for them. You never know what the Holy Spirit will use later on down the road to wake them up. Glad you found my channel, friend! God bless
@@theologywithseth Who is the one Jesus, the apostles and the prophets called, The Living and True God, if Jesus is his son?
Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered [To Jesus]: “You are the Christ, the SON.. of THE LIVING GOD.”
Jeremiah 10:10 But Jehovah is the True God, HE IS - THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King.- THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King. Because of his indignation the earth will quake, And no nations will endure his denunciation.
John 17:3 Jesus said praying to Jehovah: This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
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ISAIAH 44:6
Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, YHWH of hosts: “I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; besides me there is no god.
REVELATION 1:9-18
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and in the midst of the lampstands ONE LIKE A SON OF MAN, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.
14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire,
15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters.
16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST
18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
John hears a voice behind and when he turns to see who is speaking, it's Jesus, One like a Son of Man. We know that Jesus is the Son of Man and He told the Jewish leaders He was the Son of Man. The description of this Son of Man is just like YHWH is described in Daniel. The Son of Man, Jesus, tells John not to fear because He is the First and the Last, the one who died and is now alive forevermore. Jesus said He is the First and the Last, the same thing YHWH said in Isaiah. Is there more than one First and the Last? YHWH says besides Him there is no god. Jesus isn't another god. Jesus is God; YHWH incarnate just like John 1:14 says.
In Revelation 22:12-13, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last; the Lord God Almighty, the one who is and who was and who is to come. God the Father isn't coming with the clouds. Jesus is. In Revelation 1:7-8, we read:
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[b] on account of him. Even so. Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
The one who is coming with the clouds is the Lord God Almighty. In Mark we read:
MARK 1:1-3
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way,
3 the voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’”
Mark is quoting Isaiah 40 and look who we find in Isaiah 40; YHWH.
ISAIAH 40:1-5
1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.
2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and cry to her that her warfare is ended, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received from YHWH's hand double for all her sins.
3 A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of YHWH; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.
5 And the glory of YHWH shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken.”
Jesus says He is YHWH and the Apostles say He is YHWH.
Grew up a JW and left at 17. When I was 12 I asked an elder this ; If Satan is the most cunning deceiver known to man and God said to never worship a man , only Him.......then is it possible worshiping Christ is a trick from the devil? What more cunning artful deceit could there ever be than to trick man into doing what they were told not to do. I was told I was simply wrong and should stop asking such questions or talking about this to others because I could make them stumble. I was already told this from prior questions so this time it was bad. I had to talk to a few elders about it all. It was a turning point in my mind that made me feel if I can't even think and ask questions , this can't be for me.
Hey warren.. were you asking, "could satan trick people into worshipping Jesus instead of the Father?"
If so, I can't understand the response of the guy you asked the question.
JW's believe exactly that. Jehovah says were are to worship no god but him. Ex20:2,3
Jesus told us to worship only the Father, as he himself does (Joh4:22-24, luke4:8)
And Satan, it appears doesn't care who gets worshipped, as long as it is not Jehovah.
Maybe the guy you talked to was confused, it was a great question. I'm stoked when my kids ask questions, it means they are thinking
@ yes it was exactly that. JW’s aren’t always in lockstep with doctrine. Especially those from back in the day. Many seemed to be going off what they personally felt was doctrine as they understood it. It’s hilarious the response I get from mainstream Christianity as well including the other two Judaic branches.
Jesus told us to seek and we will find, the reason why the d cver try to keep people from asking questions.
Those who keep seeking get to know that Jesus is Yehovah who temporarily manifested as man to restore what Adam has lost, when He finished what He came to do, His glory was restored.
Nice work 👍🏻Seth !
Thank you! More to come
Hey brother,
I am really liking your videos. I'd like to share a treasure I discovered in the bible.
We know that God is eternal, when he makes a decree, it is an eternal one.
If I may reference a familiar passage in the bible, in Exodus God presented The Ten Commandments,
let us look at the first commandment,
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3)
Now, if you compare that with the New World Translation,
it strangely flies in the face of that eternal commandment.
John 1:1 reads,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
Forgive me if I am wrong, however, I don't see how the eternal person of God would create a clearly steadfast rule &
find cause to break it himself. This is why I could never trust the NWT. I hope this has been illuminating.
"To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
That's a great observation! If you take JW theology seriously, they basically end up endorsing *polytheism* since they have multiple Gods/gods that they honor and follow. Thanks for commenting!
Thank you sir for this wonderful video. I pray for blessings and peace and love to you and your family
Thank you! Same to you as well
Keep on doing the lords work Seth god bless
Will do! God bless you as well
Thanks so much!!!
You're very welcome! I hope it was helpful
I may have missed it in your video.. forgive me if i did 😂 but was jesus eternal as a human? Thank you
Hello @Nzbrandon! Yes, that's correct. As Christians, we believe the Incarnation is a permanent thing and Christ Jesus will be fully man and fully God forever. Great question!
@theologywithseth, thank you for your response.
If Jesus was fully God, meaning He is eternal and above everything and everyone, why was He given life (in Himself) that He didn’t have before (John 5:26)? Why was He given a name and a position He didn’t have before (Philippians 2:9-11)?
I understand that He emptied Himself, but these scriptures seem meaningless unless He actually received something after being resurrected.
Wouldn’t this mean He was incorruptible? If so, why did Satan attempt to tempt Him? Wouldn’t that be pointless? It wouldn’t make sense because Jesus, as (last) Adam, was corruptible. Yet, He proved that despite being human and corruptible, Satan could not win. Otherwise, wouldn’t Satan have grounds to complain, saying it wasn’t fair to send an incorruptible being?
Hebrews 4:14-15 he can sympathize with us because he was tempted and tested in all respects and felt the human urge but he choose not to sin..
I look forward to your response. Thank you again.
The idea that Jesus was eternal as a human requires he wasn't fully flesh.
It means he didn't truely die.
It also is exactly what John warned about.
1Joh4:2 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,.."
He either came in the flesh, fully human, or he came as an eternal god/human.
The bible is super clear, Jesus was human.
He died, therefore by definition, was not eternal.
He was granted immortality upon his return to heaven.
Rom6:9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
"For there is one God, and one mediator, between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5 A mediator is a go-between 2 parties. Jesus can't be a mediator and one of the parties. He is our High Priest pleading for us day and night before Almighty God, our Heavenly Father.
Hi there! I answer that objection in the video. Always be sure to watch the video in it's entirety before commenting! (When people don't, it's usually pretty obvious haha). Cheers!
I absolutely love your gentleness and respect, and thorough biblical coverage of the objections. You may pray for my Jehovah witness family sister, Tammi, her husband, Charlie, my niece, Morgan, we were all raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses, but the Lord drew me to himself pray that he would draw them and use me in their lives if that is his will !
I absolutely will! Thank you for watching and commenting
I was a JW for 20 or so years; I walked away over 20 years ago. For a while after, I decided "no more faith for me...". But soon after, I realised my faith in God, was beginning to grow again; faith that had been there since childhood (and before becoming a Witness). I worked through so much of the indoctrination of watchtower. But the big one Ive struggled with, is regarding the 'Trinity'; such a block, even today. In the last couple of years I have prayed specifically for understanding on this subject, that I may know better. In time, I came across Revelation 21:23, and this became a 'key' for me to start to understand how Jesus could actually be God, the physical vessel of God, to be able to interact with humans - God being the 'light' and Jesus is the 'lamp'. I dont know if I am correct, fully, in my thinking, but this key has at least helped me to get somewhat beyond the 'block'. Im glimpsing the thought that through Jesus, God can be with humanity, be the mediator, the sacrifice, be with us, despite no human being able to see God and live. I was going to write more but my tablet pc just flashed up a 15% battery warning, now at 12% lol. I live with the hope that the Son will reveal to me, the Father. Matthew 11:27
John 17:3 in the nwt says to "take in knowledge of" not "to know" the only true God. The "knowledge" is found in the publications.
You know what's strange? I also could have *sworn* the NWT rendered John 17:3 as "taking in knowledge" instead of "knowing". Maybe it was an older edition that I had read once upon a time. Or perhaps the Mandela effect lol. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@theologywithseth I learned this in Bible study. In Spanish there's different words for 'know'; Saber means to know information or ideas. "I know how to cook." Then conocer which means to 'know' a person or place. "Do you know the city well?" Pretty much everyone can 'saber' about Jesus. Even if you don't believe. Personally, I desire to 'conocer' Jesus. ❤️✝️❤️
Thank you for sharing that with me, @dianeexley1709. And just for the record, I went back and did some digging and found out that the New World Translation *did* indeed used to say that eternal life was simply based on "taking in knowledge" of God rather than "knowing God". That's how it read until 2013.
That's a *huge* difference between JW theology and Christian theology. Our eternal life is based on knowing God personally. JW's eternal life is based on just knowing facts about God. It's sad because even if their "facts" were correct, simply having a head knowledge of God is a far cry from what He intends for us, and isn't sufficient for salvation.
My friend, Seth.... hello from Greece ..... let me understand the words and meanings better after reading the original Greek text...... The key word is ''LOGOS'' -- ''WORD''.... I always ask the jw .. .... what "Word of God " means????? ..... and their answer is ΄΄Jesus, the son of God΄΄... ok here we agree...
The question is what means "Word of God" in Greek?????... what does the ''ΛΟΓΟΣ'' mean in greek, in koine Greek, what does it mean in the Bible and especially what does it mean in the Old Testament BEFORE the Word became flesh, BEFORE he became a man, BEFORE Jesus was born.....they never answer about BEFORE, what does "LOGOS" mean in the OT...... For a Greek in the Bible everything is so simple, obvious, indisputable.... the divinity of Jesus and the trinity......
sorry for my english .......
Hello friend! That's another great point. Thank you for sharing!
@@tongakhan230 John makes it clear from his first verse who Jesus is......the "WORD"...who became man...the "ΛΟΓΟΣ" who is God...... ..|do you know what "the Word of God" means?????. go to the old testament and read... I tell you for information that in addition to the Word, it is also referred to everywhere as "the Wisdom of God" and "the right hand or arm of God" .......Search maybe you will find and understand the "true truth" ........
or learn Greek.....
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The Apostles wrote in Greek....... all ancient manuscripts are in koine Greek..... and in all of them it says '' ...and the Word was God΄΄. Check it out.... Papyrus p 52, Papyrus P90, Papyrus P 104, Papyrus P32, Papyrus P46, Papyrus P64, Papyrus P66, Papyrus P75, Papyrus P77 etc.....
The Sahidic Coptic dialect used much of the Greek alphabet when it made its own alphabet and its manuscripts are many centuries later than the ancient Greek manuscripts......
Greek manuscripts are found here in Greece and in the world's greatest universities and libraries. .... Also you can see them on the internet too....there is no indefinite article anywhere........ Show me just ONE Sahidic manuscript and tell me what century it is...... Stop misleading the people......and copy and paste the articles of the watchtower .. Was the Word “God” or “a god”?... watchtower November 2008...... Early Christian manuscripts are only in capital letters.
Since you accept the Sahidic dialect of Egypt and not the Greek language in which the new testament is written....then I suppose you also accept the cross, because that is what they call it and have it as a symbol like all Christians all over the world from 1st century to the present day......
@@Mr.DC3.1914 For God's sake..... So many lies, so much confusion, so much misleading...... my English is not that good to explain.....
Syntax = the order of words to make a sentence.. ...you can't only use grammar ... The syntaxe rules have the power to override grammar ...... but I answer you.... did you check the papyri ????? , the ancient Greek manuscripts ????? what century are the Coptic manuscripts? What do you have to say about the Coptic cross????? both as a word and as a symbol in their churches?????
@@Mr.DC3.1914 WHY ?????????? In the same chapter, on the same page, John 1.6 says "God" without an article.... 1.12 "God" without an article ..... 1.13 "God" without an article ..... 1.18 "God" without an article ..... ?????
subject - verb - object.... both with article and without article.... The sentence ' "The Word was God" is subject - verb - accusative......
''You are a teacher'' Sentence with indefinite article ... use google translation.... in Greek it is..... 'You are teacher' without an article because..... because teacher is an accusative ... ...and of course, since "God" comes forward for emphasis, one more reason for it not to have an article......
There is not a single Greek scholar who claims that there is an indefinite article there... all the translators, except your boss, have written it correctly....LEARN GREEK..........
Seth, further to your comments on Mark 10:18:
Jesus tells the young man that if he wants to _do_ something to obtain eternal life then he must keep the Decalogue (10 commandments). Jesus begins with the horizontal commands that affect his fellow man (v. 19). The man affirmed that he had kept the horizontal law. Now, Jesus summarized the horizontal portion of the decalogue in Mar 12:31 with the words of Leviticus 19:18, “You shall love your neighbour as yourself,” which the man had clearly not done and shows it by summing up the horizontal portion with the words, “sell all that you have and give to the poor.”
But Jesus does not stop there, he addresses the vertical portion of the law with the words “AND follow me.” Jesus assumes the divine prerogative of the first portion of the Decalogue by claiming absolute loyalty-even to the point of death (cf. Mar 8:34-35). We are to love Jesus with our entire being which is implicit in Jesus’s call to discipleship in Mark 8:24-35 since he demands that those who follow are to die to this world (take up our cross) for his sake.
Contrary to what unitarians claim, Mar 10:17-21 implicitly proclaims Jesus as God.
Right on. This is exactly right.
@BasicBiblicalTruth That's an excellent point! Thank you for sharing with me
What makes you seeing here that JESUS is God?When JESUS was asked?Good Teacher what I must do to inherit everlasting life?JESUS said to him:Why do you call me good?Nobody is good except God (he meant his Father and God JEHOVAH not himself.)It is so simple so that a child would understand that the Father and God of JESUS CHRIST and our Father and God JEHOVAH is the only true God of this Universe.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 Did Jesus ever sin?
Was he relatively 'good' (ie had only a few sins) or was he 'good' (ie sinless)?
Did Jesus tell the man, "Don't call me good because only God is good," or, "Why do you call me good? Only God is good." The first is a denial that he is both good and God, the second forces the man to evaluate his words and come to a natural conclusion: P1. Jesus is good. P2. Only God is good. C. Jesus is God. This is basic logic which JWs seem to lack.
Second, Jehovah is the name of the triune God. As a person of the triune God, Jesus shares the divine name with the Father. The NT authors understood this, which is why they could identify Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
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Of course, nothing like that can be found in scripture.
Jesus did not correct or rebuke the man, merely made an observation and statement of truth.
Jesus is the "good" Teacher, and He is the "good" Sheperd...
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."
Jn.10:11
Yet, Watchtower has REMOVED the word "good" from this passage, and ADDED the word "fine." 😮
Bible =Word of God.
NWT=ever changing word of Watchtower.
Stick with scripture.
Co equal, coeternal, fully God. If these apply to Jesus, how did He die?
Now i listened and it said that his humamity died, his divinity lived on. I dont get that.
I understand that He died both as a man and the Son of God (a divine being). God risked the loss of His only begotten Son to redeem mankind. A trinity destroys this concept because God can not die, so there was no real risk because "God the Son" is immortal.
That was excellent. Keep 'em coming brother Seth.🙏🏾
Will do! So glad you're enjoying the content!
Hallelujah 🙏 Praise the Lord Jesus.
How do you interpret John 17:20-26?
Jesus prays before his crucifixion,
“I make this request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in them and you in me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. Father, I want those whom you have given me to be with me where I am, in order that they may behold the glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world. Righteous Father, the world has not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in them.”
Hi there! That's quite a substantial chunk of Scripture that you're asking me to exposit for you in a RUclips comment, haha. Can you tell me more specifically what you're looking for?
@@theologywithseth Hello, I believe the person wants to know, like myself, how the Trinitarian doctrine holds up/ or can explain what Jesus was referring to in the verses above.
I was raised a JW, and I am currently struggling. I am extremely confused when it comes to whether Jesus ever claimed to be God or simply referred to himself to be in unison with YHWH when he was a human. I am open to your perspective, and would appreciate a thorough explanation if possible.
Thank you.
@@theologywithseth Jesus seems to be saying one thing repeatedly, that we are one with him just as he is one with the Father. Since you use this concept as a foundational argument for the trinity, should the other half of Jesus teaching also be acknowledged? Namely that we are one with Christ just as he is one with the Father.
There’s a lot of scriptures altered in the new world damnation about the deity of Yashuah as well that witnesses need to see. Loving your videos 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you! God bless you
First! Yet another banger 🎉🎉 keep it up!!!
Thank you!!!
Thanks again Seth.
Give proper honor to Jesus Christ, Amen, let is be so!
"And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."
- John 17:3
"I am the Lord; that is my name;
my glory I give to no other"
- Isaiah 42:8
1 corinthians 15:24 - 28. in the end Jesus himself will give the kingship back to his Father. If Jesus is God himself then why should he give the knigship back to his Father. Please read this scripture.
Hi friend, I've read the Scripture, but I'm not seeing what your objection is. Can you elaborate a bit more for me?
Exactly
Actually a better question is if he isn’t God, why would he give the kingdom to him in the first place. The primitive understanding of the verse shows that Jesus takes the reins and sits on the throne then rules with authority of the Father after the end times. It would make sense that the totality of the Trinity would be the head of New Jerusalem. The Father was never just kicked out of the picture.
@@theologywithseththe point is its crystal clear that Jesus is not equal with the Father. The father is the only Almighty God. Father is the one giving authorization to the son Jesus.
@@hibrusteaseems like you didn't read the scripture I provided, it says Jesus will give the Kingdom back to his Father and Jesus himself will also submit under his Father. Very crystal clear.
This video is gold!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
HEBREW 5:7-9 If Jesus was God, why did Jesus plead to God with tears and outcries for help to save him from death? And God did save Jesus from death by resurrecting Jesus back to life, due to Jesus' "obedience," just as the scripture explain.
MATTHEW 7:21-23 If Jesus is God why did he say that those who worship him instead of worshiping his Father in heaven, are his enemies?
1 TIMOTHY 2:5 ""FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, A MAN JESUS CHRIST.""
GALATIANS 3:20. " THERE IS NO MEDIATOR WHEN JUST ONE PERSON IS INVOLVED, BUT GOD IS ONLY ONE.""
How can Jesus be God and also be a mediator between God and men? How?
God is not a man.
God does not have to play people's games to explain who He is. He is God. He can speak for Himself, through the Bible.
JOHN 1:18 ""NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME." Thousands have seen Jesus.
HEBREWS 2:7,9 When Jesus was on earth, he was lower than the angels.
NUMBERS 23:19 ""GOD IS NEVER A MAN.......GOD IS NEVER A SON OF MAN......""
What's the problem? Why does God have to be three in one? What's the benefit if God has a son that is Him?
MATTHEW 3:17. What's so difficult with ""God is God and He has a son whom He loves and acknowledges, and approves as His son?
What's so difficult about that? Have you heard the expression "like father like son?" Does that mean father and son are one person?
MATTHEW 19:5-6 When God says " a man will leave his father and mother and stick to his wife and become one, that they are no longer two but one flesh,"
does that mean husband and wife literally become one person? Does "united' mean one" It takes two or more to unite. Cannot unite just one.
JOHN 17 :20-21 When Jesus prayed to God the night before he was killed and Jesus prayed that he and his Father are one, and Jesus also prayed to God to take care of his followers so they too will also be one with with them, does that mean God and Jesus and all Jesus' disciples are literally one?
Dont need to play games to understand God. The Truth is so clear and simple to understand.
Why make the truth complicated and work so hard to explain it to others.
Is it not possible that Jesus is God in the flesh so that God could have the necessary interaction with His creation? God is the source of light and Jesus the vessel of that light. Revelation 21:23
No man can see God and live; yet through Jesus, we can.
Im an exjw and left about 6 years ago.
Im an athiest now but i like listening to people explain the trinity, cuz it never makes any sense, i wasnt raised with it so it’s not second nature to me when i read the bible.
Especially at 15:02 like come on, its pretty obvious all that jesus wants is that his dad rewards his loyalty by giving jesus back the power he had before.
Not that he wants god to worship him.
Im well aware of the countless problems with jw theology, and honestly the more they get wrong the better i feel.
But just like christmas and how hell isnt a place for man, when there right there right.
I did enjoy the vid, but it wasnt convincing in the slightest. So much trinity stuff is vague as hell and if god really wanted us to know that he was 3 parts in 1 or whatever he wouldnt have been so vague about it.
If he has no problem being specific about so many other things i dont get why he wouldn’t be specific about a detail so important that its literally what defines someone as a “true christian” to so many.
Hi friend, I appreciate your honesty. This video wasn't really intended to convince anybody with a positive case that the Trinity is true. Rather, it was intended just to answer some of the common knee-jerk objections that people raise, once the positive case for the Trinity *has already been made* , if that makes sense. In my last video, I made a positive case for the Deity of Christ (one of the essential building blocks of the Trinity) so that's where you'd want to look to see our main reasons for believing it in the first place. I'll link it below.
As far as the Trinity being vague, I would just disagree. Every point on it has a specific and clear Scripture backing. We believe there's only one God, and we have clear verses saying that there's only one God. We believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are called God, and we have clear verses identifying them as God. Then we believe that they are distinct Persons, and we have clear verses showing them interacting and experiencing real interpersonal relationships with one another.
So the Biblical basis is anything but vague! The difficulty is trying to understand all of them at once. That's where we just have to accept the fact that we're finite humans trying to comprehend the infinite God of the Universe, and we're probably just going to have to submit to His revelation, even if there can be no final understanding on our part.
I realize you're an atheist so this isn't to try and convince you that God exists, but I do want you to have a fair understanding of where Trinitarians are coming from. It's not a made-up doctrine, but is a solution to understanding doctrines already found in the Bible, even in the faulty New World Translation. (see below) Cheers!
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Maybe you should become a Evangelical person.
In john 17:3-5 where is the third in the godhead ? Jesus was communicating with the father. Never the other god. How come ? Trinity is not backed by God nor jesus
God bless you brother keep up the good work!!
Thank you so much!
hey seth how’s it’s going love your videos man
Hey, I really appreciate that! Things are going well. Already working on my next video and I'm excited to see where this series goes
Now I remember as a kid going to Kingdom Hall and a Witness was talking about The Muslims and had a conversation they wanted to buddies with them and I'm like what are y'all doing? That's so wrong😂
This is what happens when we take scripture out of context. it confuses the masses.Our God is the creator he is three in one. We don’t need to know or understand everything. Do the Jw believe he lived and died and was resurrected? Jesus is God.
JWs deny that Jesus rose bodily, instead saying he appeared as human to the disciples. So they don't properly believe in the resurrection either.
@@tongakhan230 sorry, did you watch the video?
@@tongakhan230The problem is that bodily death does not contradict immortality. Human souls are immortal, they will last for all eternity going forward. This is why Paul says we can at once "be away from the body and at home with the Lord," (2 Corinthians 5:8). Jesus being both fully God and fully human did not lose either one of those natures upon suffering bodily death, therefore not contradicting his immortality.
Wait a sec. God is immortal, but so are angels? Why could God not become a man to die if an angel could? Your logic falls apart immediately
@@nateq yes I did but I was very confused
Then you have father and son relationship why they are Called father and son is a mystery
Jesus' statement in John 14:28
Jesus said, “If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Jesus was comparing their positions, not their nature. He was in a lesser position when he came to earth, but he was fully God in his deity.
Jesus' divinity
Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, and is equal to God the Father in nature. He is also equal to God the Father in his works, power, judgment, and honor.
God and Jesus share kingship
God and Jesus are both kings, and God shares his kingship with Jesus.
The Trinity
In mainstream trinitarian Christianity, the Trinity is made up of three persons: God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Problem with your reasoning is there is no description of such a thing as natures in the biblical text. This is an assumption invention of the church, but that is not what’s clearly written nowhere. Does it say that Jesus had a human nature, fully man and a divine nature, fully God, it’s not there
This is the “not explicitly stated in scripture” fallacy. Just because it’s not explicitly stated does not mean it isn’t true. It’s blatantly obvious he has 2 natures stated by God and humanity and fits the story as a whole. The appeal to implicitly does not work here
Jesus said "upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it", the church will forever exist and the gates of hell will NEVER corrupt it, that's what Jesus promised as lord almighty, the church ecumenical councils are all led by the holy spirit (as can be shown in the council of Jerusalem in the book of acts), saying that this is a "church invention" is not an insult but rather a confirmation of scripture and proof that we are right on this matter.
As I see it the Trinity would be just Greek theology
Why would Satan try to tempt God?
Because if he successfully tempted Jesus to sin, it would disqualify him as our Savior and the whole world would remain in the kingdom of darkness. Fortunately, he failed, and Jesus Christ stands as the true King!
@@theologywithseth My point is that God cannot be tempted, Satan would know if Jesus was man or God.
True, but remember- it's not necessarily an "either/or". In the case of the Incarnation, it's a "both/and". Since Satan knew that Jesus was made human, he must have figured he was now vulnerable to temptation and took his best shot. The fact that Jesus also had a Divine Nature, wouldn't have necessarily dissuaded Satan. It may also help to recall that Satan attempted to revolt against God Himself, even when he was in Heaven! He doesn't always do what is rational
@@cybrough because jesus was tempted as regards his humanity not his deity.
Deut 6:4 The Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart
1 Pet 3:15 in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy
John 5:23 all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father
Ex 20:3 You shall have no other gods before me
Scripture doesn't contradict itself. Christ the Lord is God
Amen!
It absolutely contradicts itself.
The Torah provides no information on the Trinity. Period. Deuteronomy 6:4 is clear.
However, this does not take away from the great teachings and compassion of Jesus Christ.
It only illustrates that the Torah and the New Testament are not connected from a worship perspective. They are not worshipping The Most High from the same process, rules, and understanding.
@@a.m.m.4592Scripture does not contradict itself. I can only assume you don't believe the New Testament is scripture.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 Isa 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who made all things,
who ALONE stretched out the heavens,
who spread out the earth BY MYSELF,
John 1:2,3 He was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
2 Chron 6:30 then hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know for YOU ALONE know the hearts of the sons of men
Jer 17:10 “I the Lord [YHWH] search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”
Rev 2:23 And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
Yeah, no contradictions. Jesus is God, who made all things and searches the hearts and minds to repay for deeds.
The Father judges no one (John 5:22,23).
Psa 96 :13 Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is coming, For He is coming to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness And the peoples in His righteousness.
Matt 16:27 Son of Man will come with his angels to repay each person for what he has done.
Rev 22:12,13 Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
No contradictions.
@@nikolapejcinovski5990 John 5:22,23
For the Father JUDGES no one, but has given ALL JUDGMENT to the Son
Psa 96 :13 Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is COMING, For He is COMING to JUDGE the earth. He will JUDGE the world in righteousness And the peoples in His righteousness
Psa 98:9 Before the Lord[YHWH] , for He is COMING to JUDGE the earth; He will JUDGE the world with righteousness And the peoples with equity
Matt 16:27 Son of Man will COME with his angels to repay each person for what he has done
Rev 22:12,13 Behold, I am COMING soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am COMING soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
No contradictions.
Man this is so good, Heresy (Arianism) is on the rise (again) to attack The Triune God
It sure is! But I'm confident truth will prevail. Thank you for watching and God bless you!
Great video Seth, its just a shame that the JWs will not take the time to actually watch the video, they will go straight to the comments instead.
Thank you so much! It can definitely be discouraging to see people ignore my points and jump directly into the comments, but I suppose the fact that they feel bothered enough to click on the video in the first place might be a sign that God is stirring in their hearts. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
Seth I’m one of JWs and would like to speak with about the Trinitarian topic. Are you available on discord?
I see Seth has not responded to you. If you wish i am available to converse.
Peace!!!
I have questions for you Seth. Why has the name Jehovah/Yahweh been removed from scripture, when it has over 6000 references to the name ? are you one of the trinitarians who say that Jesus is Jehovah ? The Bible warns about adding or removing from it, the warning not to add or take away from God’s commands applies to the entire Bible.
With the name removed the bible can easily be twisted to fit your theology, with the name restored in the divine name king James bible it reads completely differently.
BTW, i am a witness, i did not grow up as one and only had a brief study with them 30 odd years ago, i agree that 1914 is wrong and their whole interpretation of prophecy, which is based on that doctrine is wrong.
But i agree with them that Jehovah is God and that Jesus is his son, along with some other doctrinal points they teach.
As an ex witness, I appreciate this video!
And I appreciate you! Thank you for watching, and I am so glad you escaped the Watchtower!
How did you leave the organization?
Hi I’m new to your channel can you do a breakdown on psalms 82:6 with Isaiah 43:10? And thank you
Hi there! Welcome to the channel and you have a great question! There's a lot of debate regarding how to interpret the specifics of that Psalm (How to translate certain key words, who the intended audience is, who these "gods" even are, etc). One thing I can say with a fair amount of confidence is that the message to these "gods" is negative. It's a psalm of judgment and disapproval and even though these beings are called "gods", it doesn't appear that they were deserving of that title and in that sense, they would be better classified as "false gods".
I don't really see a contradiction here with Isaiah 43:10 because in that verse, it simply *can't* be talking about false gods because we know that there have been many false gods formed after the real God. So Isaiah must be saying that no *true* Gods have been formed after Him, referring to a quality of being that even the subjects of Psalm 82 did not possess.
I'll freely admit that I'm not totally settled on the particulars of Psalm 82 right now, but even if I'm mistaken, that connection was only a small point at the bottom of one slide in my last video and I don't think my overall case is weakened in any significant way without it.
Sorry for the delay on that! I saw you posted the same question on the last vid too, but I didn't have time to get to it. I hope you continue to enjoy my content and if you have any other questions, send 'em my way! Cheers
@@theologywithseth thanks for getting back to me. I’m on a journey and want to know the truth and not what someone tells me the truth is. I know there is a LOT weeds so I got to do some digging thank you for your time. Plus if I didn’t like your content I wouldn’t have subscribe. You keep teaching and I’ll keep digging.
@FrankLee-gq8yc I see your point, but maybe the Jew was thinking about Deuteronomy 13:2,3? 🤔
@FrankLee-gq8yc I also think about Deuteronomy 18:20 with that and the I quoted from earlier Deuteronomy 13 I was thinking that is why Jesus told them to believe his work if the didn’t believe him in John 10:37,38 but it might just be me.
Very little watchtower theology holds to CONTEXT
Agreed. Even in their own Bible, which they had the ability to alter at will, they *still* couldn't make a coherent theology out of it. The Bible is a Christian book, not a Jehovah's Witness book, that's for sure!
Jesus spent some of his most important time with his disciples teaching the Trinity. Jesus taught that Christians are named for the Trinity, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit come to make our lives their home.
Although the word trinity doesn’t appear, Scripture clearly reveals the doctrine of God’s tri-unity (three in one). Here is the Trinity doctrine in six biblically based propositions:2
There is one, and only one, God (1 Timothy 2:5).
The person of the Father is God (2 Peter 1:17).
The person of the Son is God (Titus 2:13).
The person of the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and simultaneously distinguishable persons (Luke 3:22).
The three persons (Father or God; Son or Christ or Lord; and Holy Spirit or Spirit) are frequently listed together in a triadic pattern of unity and equality (John 14:26).
Ask Constantine. He formulated it from the pagans.
But did Constantine write the Bible? Because that's where Trinitarians get their beliefs from
No, you got your Trinitarian beliefs from the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE. Christians have been trying to fit that apostate teaching into their belief system ever since.
Can you show me where in the video I cite "The Council of Nicaea" as my reason for believing in the Trinity?
I couldn’t because you are too indoctrinated in your own cognitive dissonance. You know the truth of the matter yet you refuse to except it. Instead you spew out your lies.
Well unfortunately, if you're unable to show me specifically where I use the Council of Nicaea or Constantine's teachings to support the doctrine of the Trinity, I'm afraid your claims aren't going to do much to change my mind. Thanks for sharing your opinion with me though, and I wish you all the best!
At the 19:00 timestamp in this video, the podcast creator asserts that Jesus only acknowledged the father as his God because he (jesus) was in human form. If this is the case, then why is it that in the book of Revelation (when Jesus has now fully assumed his divinity and "essence" and "being" ...all that non biblical made up stuff) that John STILL refers to the Father as Jesus god? Maybe is it now the apostle John's turn, since he (John) is still in human form that he wants to be respectful to the father and keeps calling the father Jesus's God? Rev 1:6. Please note that I am NOT a Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's witnesses believe that anointed Christians are IMMEDIATELY resurrected with christ as soon as they die. However, the Bible states categorically 1Thes 4:16 that the dead in christ are resurrecred at God's trumpet.
Even in Heaven, Jesus is still truly man, so it’s still right for him to call the Father “his God”. Christians don’t believe the Incarnation ended
@ravikeller9626 Respectfully sir, please think before you respond and when you do respond it would be appreciated if you can cite a scripture that supports the assertions that you are making. Thanks in advance.
Hello @universalman5861. Firstly, I'm going to ask that you conduct yourself respectfully in my comment section. Second of all, there are many Scriptural passages that teach that Jesus is still fully man, even today. One is mentioned in the video (1 Timothy 2:5). According to that verse, Jesus is still a "man", even when Paul was writing to Timothy. Another would be Colossians 2:9 which says that the fullness of deity "dwells bodily" in *present tense* . Again, that indicates that Jesus still has his physical body even today.
Also, the fact that he was raised physically, leaving an empty tomb behind, also bears witness to that. Many other passages could be cited, but those should be enough for you to meditate on and reconsider your views, and your comment. Cheers
Jesus Christ is the Almighty God who came into this Earth INSIDE a human body.
That's it !!!
NO trinity, No trinity of (so called) Roman gods, NO triune, NO trinity of anything.
Just one Almighty God, and one man, the man Christ Jesus, and the Almighty God is INSIDE That man. (Which happened at his baptism)
There is NO god called, God the Son, and there is NO god called, God the Holy Ghost/Spirit, in the word of God. (KJV version). FACT.
BOTH of these two (so called) gods DO NOT EXIST IN SCRIPTURE. FACT. (KJV)
There is Spirit.
And there is flesh.
There is God.
And there is man.
The Almighty God is INSIDE That man. (The man Christ Jesus)
NO trinity !!!
Mark 4:9 (KJV)
The claim of Jesus being God. Hebrews 6:19-20. I truly can't believe God's in the order of Melchizedek! .justsaying
@@jeffstewart1668
Our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God NEVER claimed to be God. FACT.
He CANNOT be God because God id a Spirit. Jn.4:24
And God is NOT a man. Num.23:19 (KJV)
Jesus the only begotten Son of God and Son of man is a man, a human being. FACT.
PLEASE KNOW and UNDERSTAND WHO our Lord Jesus Christ is.
YOUR soul depends on it Jeff.
Mk.4:9 (KJV)
@tpv59 Psalms 82.
I see he's a servant of God. HIGH Priest- Spirit of Prophecy. Chief Cornerstone. Offspring of David.( Bright Morning Star?) Hebrews.7:26. Psalms 45: 7-8. 1st Corinthians 15:10. John i:40 but in fact you Jews are Longing To Kill Me Jesus amen who was spoken to you the truth which I have from God.2 Peter 1: 20 knowing this first that no Prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. Sad need the holy spirit that God gave us through Jesus Christ.justsaying
@@tpv59 blessings to those encouraging words
@@jeffstewart1668
Hello Jeff, again, to the POINT, Jesus (the) Christ IS the Almighty God who came into this world INSIDE a human body, INSIDE a human being, INSIDE a human man. (Which happened when he was baptised, with the (Holy) Spirit of God)
That's it!! (In a nutshell)
The NAME of the Almighty God (in English) is Jesus Christ.
And when he came in the flesh (INSIDE a human body) his NAME is Jesus Christ.
Do You understand Jeff?
Regards.
Where was God before he made the universe?🤔
what does "where" mean? because as far as we know today the beginning of the universe was also the beginning of spacetime. so before making the universe there would be no "place" for God to be, which isn't a problem because He doesn't have a body
@@nateq what does ' where ' mean ? Seriously!
@@nateq so what is your god?
@@stephenrandell7152 my God IS (His name is "I AM"). He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. there was never a time when my God didn't exist and there never will be. He is the cause and Creator of all things, while Himself being uncreated.
@@nateq these are just vague characteristics!, what is God?
At 14 :50 the claim is:
The only true God exists as three persons, among whom is the son.
However:
My only car exists as many parts among which is the steering wheel. *But* my steering wheel is NOT the car.
The bunch exists as three grapes, among which one is bruised. *But* one grape is NOT the bunch.
The claim is logically false, defying normal modes of thought, creating confusion and mystery.
All you’ve done is propose terrible analogies that are examples of the heresy of partialism. You haven’t actually properly identified what the trinity is. You’ve only made straw-man claims
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate
So we agree that defining the oneness of God as a complex unity of persons doesn't work.
The other option is to define the oneness of God by the characteristics or *qualities* of the persons, their common "nature".
Jesus is good,
The holy spirit is good
The father of Jesus is good
The Triune God is good
So they are all good.
They all belong to the one goodness category, the one divinity club.
So "God" is defined as the highest good (as Jordon Peterson seems to espouse).
Or "God" is divinity itself.
The problem here is that in scripture God is not a single category, but a *single person* .
"I am the God of Abraham..."
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is *one LORD* :
Not one divinity category, but *one LORD* , one person, the God of Israel, the creator (Ps 33:6,9).
If his divine nature didn't die then how was he dead? He didn't die for real. This is so ridiculous. Satan should have contested that Jesus wasn't a real man and therefore he didn't answer any questions. Of course God in the flesh answers none of the questions about human Creatures.
But Jesus *was* a real man. Which means he could have experienced a *real* death. And that’s exactly what Christians believe
When we die, do we stop existing? No, we still have a soul that exists after bodily death which will be judged. So when Jesus died, neither did he stop existing
Can I ask a question please. Do you hate Jehovah's witnesses?
On the contrary! I love Jehovah's Witnesses dearly. That's why a substantial part of my ministry is dedicated towards reaching them. If I didn't care about them, I wouldn't attempt to help them at all
@@theologywithseth - your video show the ill-feeling you have towards the witnesses. Also, your Trinity understanding is way off the mark.
How so?
It feels like you are not explaining away contradictions but just claiming they aren't contradictions. How can Jesus be God and Man? God and Man are two different things. A shape can't be a sphere and a cube. If you find something that seems to be both it is really neither. Just some rounded cube shape.
Hello friend, I totally hear what you're saying. I think this is one of those areas where we have to decide ahead of time, whether we will force Scripture to submit to our own finite logic, or whether we will force our own finite logic to submit to Scripture. If God has revealed that His Son has both a Divine Nature and a human nature all at once, then it is our job to accept it rather than to reject it.
In your analogy, the sphere and the cube are describing *one single shape* , which is why it sounds contradictory. But in our belief, Divinity and humanity are describing *two different natures* . That may very well be a mystery, but it's not technically a contradiction. Blessings!
@@theologywithseth
I appreciate your willingness to have a respectful conversation. At this time I remail unconvinced.
@@theologywithseth
If you note a problem with Mormon doctrine would you accept the following aplogetic?
" _There is no contradiction there but your puny mind is not capable of understanding the explanation_ "
Hello @leora2455! I addressed every single one of those verses directly and thoroughly in my video. Friendly reminder to always watch the video before commenting! Remember, a sincere truth seeker is always slow to speak, quick to listen, and open to hearing what "the other side" has to say. Blessings!
i don't go to church but i believe in god .. your problem is that you have 3 gods even if you say that there is 3 person in one god making the essence god and not the father only ... but to us there is one god the father... did you think that the prophet , jesus , and the apostle believe that god is compose in 3 person? ... if they would had believe that then they would say so ... but the truth is that they said that the father is the only god ...
1Cor 8:6 (KJV)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
what did paul said? but to us there is one god ... and who did he say it was , the father ... if he would believe that the trinity was god he would had said the trinity and not the father...
you believe in doctrine of men more than the words of christ which came from the father and the apostles who also had the spirit of the father ( the holy spirit ) ... by the way the holy ghost is the father because jesus is the child of the holy ghost matthew 1:18 and jesus was also created ...
Rev 3:14 (KJV)
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ... the beginning of the creation of god started in day 1 of creation
stop following doctrine of men and start following jesus
Matt 17:5 (KJV)
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
@@rafaelo2215 I do think that the prophets and the apostles believed that God is 3 in 1. It explains why they call Jesus God, use old testament descriptions of God on Jesus, worship him and much more.
It would be to long to address all your claims but here is one: the father is the only true God. This statement is true, but you forgot that Jesus is the same God only a different person. That's why also Jesus is the only true God without contradicting the first statement.
@@Amperiyan i tend to believe what jesus said and what paul said not in a doctrine that a man made up ....jesus said that the father is the only god and that his father is our god
john 17:3 john 20:17 and revelation 3:12 ...
paul said it also in 1 corinthians 8:6 ...
but to us there is one god, the father ...
and your statement above is not found in scripture only in doctrine of men
paul said it simple there is on god and then told you who he was ... he said the father
@@rafaelo2215 careful with the wording
Jesus said" you are the only true God" not "only you are the true God"
He said "to your God and my God" not "our God"
Beginning of creation in revelation means more like the source of the creation, not that he is the first created. As other verses say: Jesus created everything and without him nothing was created.
What Paul is doing in this verse is connecting Jesus ultimately with God. One God and One Lord
@@Amperiyan let me put the verse up ...
1) John 17:3 (KJV)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
2) John 20:17 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
3) Rev 3:12 (KJV)
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
paul said ...
1Cor 8:6 (KJV)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
one god ... the father
@@rafaelo2215 yes, exactly as I said (but I took the wrong part in rev.)
One God and one Lord. You know that the Lord is God?
4:23 - JWs don‘t agree on the idea that biblically speaking any other gods than „the only true God“ are false gods. Thats a core issue with talking about the subject to Trinitarians - they think that „deity“ is a nature only the triune God can carry - that my friends is not the case.
The biblical term „elohim“ (hebrew) or „theos“ (greek) is ascribed to humans, angels, body parts, things and foremost YHWH (the only true God). YHWH carries the title „God“ in the ultimate sense. He‘s the only one called „almighty“ (Jesus never is).
It‘s like the biblical term Father - Jesus said „Call no one on earth Father for one is your Father, the heavenly one“ (Matthew 23:9)
Using the same logic you mentioned in your video, the billions of Fathers whose offspring call them „Father“ call a false Father.
You get the point?
My goodness. Do JWs ever read the Bible for themselves? Have they ever heard of the word "Context"?
In Mat 23:9, Jesus is contrasting his disciples with the Pharisees who love honorific titles like "Rabbi." He is not speaking about natural relations (ie. calling a biological parent "father") or secular relationships (ie. calling a person at school "teacher"), he is speaking about spiritual communities. Christians are to call each other "brothers and sisters" and reserve honorific titles such as "Father" (something Elisha called Elijah; 2Ki 2:12), Rabbi, teacher, etc. for the Father and the Son.
There is only one God, the triune God who subsists in three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Others who act as proxy for God can be called "god" (angels or humans), though they are not really gods. People who reject the true god make for themselves false gods. Satan is called the god of this age/world because the world has rebelled against the true God and taken a counterfeit instead.
The NT identifies Jesus as YHWH, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT YHWH passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13). Thus, Jesus is the Almighty.
The disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t YHWH, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth That was my whole point - the term „God“ just as „Father“ is ambiguous, and we need to identify how the term is used in its context.
Biblically, anything that is worshiped can be termed a „god“, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. (Romans 16:18; Philippians 3:18, 19) The Bible makes mention of many gods (Psalm 86:8; 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6), but it shows that the gods of the nations are valueless gods. (Psalm 96:5)
For instance, at Psalm 82:1, 6, ʼelo·himʹ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for God Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh. (Ex 4:16)
Were any of the latter „false gods“?
Context is key. The Bible makes it very clear that there is only one God and all others are not real gods. A person can venerate anything they want and make it their god, but that doesn't make it an actual God. This is why the prophets mocked people who cut down a tree and made a god out of part of the tree and burned the other part of the tree. It would be just as foolish as making your belly your god.
As David Garland says, "The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong."[1]
People can be called god when they act as proxy for God, but that doesn't make them actual gods.
In the Bible, Christians and Jews did not call a proxy "My God" or "Our God." Jehovah alone was their God.
Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, which is why the disciples could call Jesus, "My God" and "Our God."
[1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:5.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth 2. Thessalonians 2:4 Paul here suggests that the corrupt “man of lawlessness” would exalt himself by teaching twisted things that run counter to the law of God. (2Th 2:3) The phrase “every so-called god” might include powerful humans, such as secular rulers. (Compare Joh 10:34-36.) Paul thus suggests that this self-important “man” behaves as if his teaching were the supreme authority.
The point is: John 17:3 is unambiguous - there is only one God in the truest sense! That is the Father! The Bible says that Jesus „shall be called ‚might God‘“ (Isaiah 9:6) - this was a future prophecy, and Jesus was not called „mighty God“ before. Also, he would not be called „Almighty God“!
Psalm 110:1 says: „Jehovah said to my Lord…“ - my Lord being pre-human Jesus. If Jehovah is the triune God = Jesus, why would Jesus/Jehovah speak to Jesus? In that Psalm, Jehovah sends the pre-human Jesus and would „extend the scepter of your (Jesus’) power“ - mind you, God does not speak to Jesus’ human nature here. How could Jesus’ power be „extended“ if he were God Almighty? That doesn’t make any sense! It only makes sense if they are different/distinct beings, and Jesus‘ power is not almighty!
Also, the Bible clearly identifies God Almighty as a PERSON, and not only as a BEING: God is one person (Acts 3:19,20 ; Hebrews 9:24 - check the Interlinear: „prosópon“ is used, which means „face“ (singular) - same word is used in Matthew 22:16 and Luke 20:21 KJV where it is translated with „person“)
Jehovah is called "Mighty God" in Isa 10:22. Therefore, Isa 9:6 is saying that Jehovah would be the Messiah.
In Psalm 16:2, we are told that Jehovah is David's Lord. In Psalm 110, Jehovah says to David's Lord (whom we've already been told is Jehovah)....
The NT identifies Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God, by taking OT Jehovah passages and applying them to Jesus: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
And, as I've already shown before, the disciples understood that God subsisted in multiple persons (ie, was triune), which is why they could confess Jesus to be “MY God” (John 20:28) and call him “OUR God” (2 Pet 1:1) and not compromise their Jewish monotheism. If Jesus wasn’t Jehovah, then they were polytheists who had broken the first commandment… is that what you think?
Jesus is not just distinguished from God of course the Father! Jesus is distinguished FROM God himself!
Jesus is identified as God (Jon 1:1, 18, 20:28, etc). He is distinguished personally from the Father, who is also a person of the triune God.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth 1 Cor. 8:6? “For us there is one God, the FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we live.”
The Bible says the Almighty God is the FATHER, not all three!
Heretics
@@Popeyeee-v6c In 1Cor 8:6, Paul takes the Shema from the LXX (the same that Jesus quoted from in Mark 12:29) and applies it to BOTH the Father and the Son.
The Shema, from Deuteronomy 6:4 LXX is, Ἄκουε, Ισραηλ· κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν· ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord (κύριος) our God (θεός), the Lord (κύριος) is one.’
In 1Corinthians 8:6, Paul Christianizes the Jewish Shema by glossing the title “God” (θεός) to the Father and Lord (κύριος) to the Son.
As David Garland says,
“The creedal statement καὶ ὅτι οὐδεὶς θεὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς (kai hoti oudeis theos ei mē heis, that no God [exists] except one) echoes the basic Jewish confession in the Shema (Deut. 6:4; 4:35, 39; Isa. 44:8; 45:5).... The dismissive phrase ‘the so-called gods’ (λεγόμενοι θεοί, legomenoi theoi; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4) defers to popular parlance that identifies them as gods, but it insinuates that it is wrong…. Paul creatively christianizes the foundational Jewish monotheistic confession: ‘The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). He glosses the reference to Lord and God in that confession so that ‘God’ refers to the Father and ‘the Lord’ refers to Christ.”[1]
And as Gordon Fee says,
“Although Paul does not here call Christ God, the formula is so constructed that only the most obdurate would deny its Trinitarian implications. In the same breath that he can assert that there is only one God, he equally asserts that the designation ‘Lord,’ which in the Greek OT was used to replace the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and thus belongs singularly to the one God, is the proper designation of the divine Son.”
JWs make several errors: 1) they ignore the context, 2) they ignore the fact that Paul is citing the Shema and Christianizing it, 3) they ignore the fact that Kurios is used for the tetragrammaton, and 4) they are inconsistent. If Jesus can’t be God because Paul says that the Father is the Christian God, then the Father can’t be Kurios because Paul says Jesus is the Christian Kurios. Which would mean that the Father is a different God than the OT God.
When read in context, this passage is a powerful proclamation that Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God.
[1] David E. Garland, 1 Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2003), ePub, 8:4-6.
[2] Gordon D. Fee, The First Epistle to the Corinthians, Revised (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2014), ePub, 8:6
Franky, can you tell me what a JW Biblical scholar says regarding 1Cor 8:6? Oh, wait! You can't, there aren't any Biblical scholars who are JW because knowing the Bible disqualifies a person from being JW. JW preys on ignorance.
Franky, you should check the video when you think a post has been deleted, otherwise, you look like a JW, ie a fool.
When God inspired Paul to write, it was in Greek. Do you know Greek? Then you require a scholar to translate the verse for you. Those who know Greek can see the connection between this verse and the Greek Shema.
Now, can you cite me any JW scholars?
If the Trinity is true, then answer this (in a clear way and without the backflips you usually do):
1) Since 1 John 5:7 is a spurious text, should Trinitarians honestly use it to defend their doctrine?
2) The Father is a person, named YAHWEH or JEHOVAH. The Son is a person, named Jesus Christ. What is the name of the Spirit? Doesn’t it have a name? Then is it impersonal?
3) Why do we have fellowship with the Father and His Son, and enjoy the fellowship of the Spirit? Why do we not have fellowship with the Spirit?
4) Did Jesus Christ recognize the Father or Himself as the only true God?
5) After His ascension and glory, when John saw Him on the Isle of Patmos, how did Jesus refer to His Father?
6) Christ admitted He could do nothing but through the Father. How is this explained? If Jesus is God, wouldn’t He be self-sufficient and complete in Himself?
7) How do Trinitarians explain 1 Cor. 8:6? “For us there is one God, the FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we live.”
8) Why is there no prayer directed to the Holy Spirit, and why did the apostles rarely mention Him in their greetings and doxologies?
9) In Revelation 22:1, on the New Earth, we find the thrones of the Father and the Lamb (Jesus / John 1:36). If Jesus is God, why does He have a throne separate from the Father’s? And where is the Holy Spirit’s throne, if He is part of the “Trinity”?
10) In Matthew 24:35-37, Jesus said: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as in the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” If Jesus is God incarnate, shouldn’t He know the day and hour of His return? After all, God knows all things. Thus, if Jesus does not know all things, He cannot be God.
Hi there! Most of those questions are answered in the video. Friendly reminder to always watch to the end before commenting!
Since both ideas of who Jesus is can be taken from the Bible, we should not be so rigid to dismiss those who disagree with us. What is important is this: Because of the death of Jesus, the Almighty God has reconciled the world to Himself. This is what is important. Not all of us are going to come to terms about who is Jesus at the end but knowing that we have peace with the Almighty because of his death is what counts. Colossians 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Also check 2 Corinthians 5:18-21.
Who's cross?
If you say, "Jesus'," then the question remains-who is Jesus?
Who he is matters. In fact, it is integral to salvation (John 17:3; Rom 10:9-13).
If I believe that Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher, as many atheists believe, will I be saved? What if I believe that he was a prophet of Islam? If you say, "No," then you prove my point.
Since both sides are taken from the Bible and since the Bible didn’t fall out of the sky and since the church that Jesus established can never fail then dont you think the evidence is in how, who, when the bible came into existence…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, just 65 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine and subsequent councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
But if Jehovahs Witnesses are right, Christians are committing idolatry and will be annihilated at Armageddon. If Christians are right, then Jehovah’s Witnesses are denying the true person of Christ and are going to Hell. Those aren’t exactly low stakes. I think this debate matters far more than you give it credit for
@@ravikeller9626I agree. But JWs standpoint that Jesus is Michael is very loosely connected the verse that Jesus will return with the voice of an archangel. Notice how it says an and not the archangel. That Jesus is God has much more and much stronger verses. In Mark's introduction he says it is fulfilled: a voice prepares a way for the LORD. the voice is John the baptist and the Lord is Jesus, but in Isaiah it is Jehovah. Also John says in John 12:41 that Isaiah saw Jesus, but in Isaiah 6, where John's quote is from, Isaiah sees Jehovah.
The idea that Jesus was the word of God, John 1:14 " and the word became flesh" has to be understood correctly. 1- We know Jesus was conceived in Mary, he is a human being formed by a male and female sex cell. The Almighty added the male cell to Mary's female cell to create Jesus in Mary's womb. 2- Jesus did not have two natures, only one. We do not find anything that says Jesus was more than a human being. 3- Even though some verses such as John 17:5 leads us to believe that Jesus preexisted, we can read John 17:20-23 to understand that Jesus was speaking in a prophetic sense. Just as in John 17:20-23, Jesus in 22 " The glory that you have given me I have given to them," and this could not have occurred since he is praying for people in the future, John 17:5 is also a promised given to Jesus that is written as already occurring which actually has not taken place. Jesus, from the foundation of the world existed in the plan of the Almighty and his glory was also promised before the foundation of the world, but it did not come to pass until after he was resurrected to immortality from the dead.
Sorry, but where do you find Biblical support for the claim that God "added male cells to Mary's female cell to create Jesus"?
In the OT, God’s “Word” is his powerful self-expression in creation, revelation and salvation, and is not only personified but, at times, appears to be a hypostasis-e.g., “The Word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision” [Gen. 15:1]. A vision is something one sees, not hears. The Aramaic Targums take this further, explicitly making God’s Word (“Memra”) a hypostasis. We know John was familiar with the Hebrew OT, Greek Septuagint, and Aramaic Targums. (Do you need me to demonstrate that?)
This background made it perfect for John’s identification of Jesus as the ultimate self-disclosure of God. For John, Jesus is the Word of God, and the manifestation of God become human. He even identifies Jesus as “The Word of God” in Rev. 19:13, stating, “His name is also called The Word of God.”
Now, your Unbiblical unitarian claim that “Word” in John 1:1 is “God’s plan,” does not fit in the context of John 1. Let’s consider the passage:
In v. 1, the Word was προς God. In the NT, almost exclusively, refers to two persons.
In v. 1, the Word is Word is both WITH God and WAS God. Perhaps you can say that God’s plans were with him, but you can’t say that God’s abstract plans were God.
In v. 3, “All things came to be _through_ him.” This means that the Word (Jesus) was the agent of creation (ie, the hands-on creator). It is nonsensical for something abstract like God’s plans to be the agent of creation, rather, it would be God himself.
In v. 11, “He came to what was his own, but his own people did not receive him” (NET). This is referring to a kinship, which a plan doesn’t have-only a person can come to their own people.
In v. 12, “But to all who have received him-those who believe in his name -he has given the right to become God’s children” (NET). Do people receive a plan or a person? A person. What is the name of that person whom they believe in? Jesus! A plan cannot grant anything, only a person can.
In v. 14, the Word became flesh, which means the Word became human. Who was that? Jesus. “And we saw HIS glory.” Who’s glory did they see? The glory of a plan or of the μονογενης (only begotten Son)?
In v. 15, John testifies about the Word. Did John testify about a person or a plan? A person-Jesus!
The whole introduction is about Jesus, not a plan.
Son of man and Son of God are two different things. Jesus is man and Son of man because he is actually son of Adam. Son of God is another way of saying CREATURE. Adam son of God. Angelic sons of God! God can't copulate. All his sons are creatures! If he personhood of Jesus Christ is God, he can't be son of God because he is ACTUALLY God! Is Adam the son of Man? That is just stupid! Adam IS NOT SON OF MAN! IF JESUS US GOD HE CANNOT BE SON OF GOD! STOP THE SOPHISTRY!
Son of Man is a claim to deity. Read Dan 7.
My friend… I’ve been a Jehovah’s Witness for 33+ years well studied in the Greek and Hebrew… in this video you said let’s focus in on the son … and you said that Jesus took on a human nature alongside his divine nature as a man… my friend, that is absolutely incorrect… and Trinitarians like to go to Philippians 2:7… and say the scripture proves it … to be quite honest this claim ..boggles my mind because the very scripture you guys use to somehow say he was a god man teaches the absolute opposite… So what does Philippians 2:7 say but EMPTIED himself by taking the form of a servant being born in the likeness of man…. The Greek word here for EMPTY… strong(2758 kenoo-to empty out , to render void, to be emptied without recognition, perceived as valueless) pointing out the nature that he was in - heaven as a spirit no longer exist… the Greek word here (Kenoo) it’s only used in the New Testament three times… Romans 4:14;1 Corinthians 1:17; and 2 Corinthians 9:3… and in every one of the scriptures it’s used as something that is empty and valueless … showing that Jesus was completely empty of his divine quality Philippians says he emptied himself of those qualities… so my friend, according to the Bible, you were incorrect… and what is more the Bible emphasizes this in other scriptures such as… hebrews2:7,9… verse 7… reeds .. You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor and appointed him over the works of your hands…. verse 9 But we do see Jesus who was made a little lower. (clearly , not God man) than the angels now crown with glory and honor for having suffered death so that by Gods undeserved kindness, he might taste death for everyone…… all of this points to the fact… that he emptied himself of divine qualities and truly became a man lower than the angels… there’s no scripture in the Bible that says Jesus is God man nowhere… so why are sanitarians speaking this way about Jesus?….. because I can’t speak to everything you said in this video I wanna point out the scripture you went to and asked John.17:3… and it reads… this means everlasting life. They’re coming to know you the only true God and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ… the Greek word here for ONLY(strong 3441).. means… alone, only solitary… showing that Jesus truly excluded himself from the category of only true God… and place the father and father alone in that category of God ….that’s a fact… then you went to verse 5 … pointed out that Jesus was asking God to glorify him with the glory that he had a long side of him… and try to say that this makes him God because of this glory that he was asking God to glorify him with… thinking of falsely I might add… that this is the glory that God possesses… simply incorrect because if we go to verse 22.. Jesus says… I have given them THE GLORY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME an order that they may be one just as we are one… So my friend, you’re hermeneutics on these matters are incorrect… Jesus gave his followers the same glory that the father gave him and what does it say after that?…. IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE … Jesus is clearly qualifying his statement … I could speak much more about this video, but I will stop here!!!
@@markjackson5035 you made a mistake here. Jesus said that the father is the only true God. He didn't say only he is the true God. I think it's important to see where the word only is. Because if we take the Trinity, it can be said without contradiction that the father is the only true God and the son is that same only true God.
@@Amperiyan and Jesus Is the speaker here… Trinitarians believe in 3 WHOSE AND ONE WHAT… And the three WHOSE are distinct from one another… so what is the WHAT…. The what… is God … If he called the father, the only true God/WHAT… Then under no condition, can Jesus be that ONE WHAT… why because the father son and Holy Spirit are distinct WHO’S …
And so if you call JESUS HERE, A WHAT you will have two Almighty God here, my friend because the who’s are not the one what … and the three who’s are distinct from one another my friend
@@markjackson5035 I can not follow your argument. You rightly said they are one what, and therefore the same WHAT and this WHAT is the only true God.
@@Amperiyan and where did Jesus state that he is also „the only true God“? There‘s more being said in John 17:3 - Jesus makes a very clear distinction between „the only true God“ (the Father) and „the one whom you (the only true God/Father) sent. Question: when did the Father send the Son. Did that happen after Jesus was born? Or before?
How could the Father send the Son if they are fully united in will and mind (sharing the divine nature) - why would a sending be necessary?
@@GsWitness it's not the question where but more what would convince you. If the authors of the Gospels would identify Jesus with Jehovah, would that be enough for you?
The main fact of your statements were that you mentioned, “our BELIEFS “. Well…that’s the point.
There is NO right or wrong either way that, because they are what they are…BELIEFS.
There are many Beliefs in the world, just a fact of being human. Within Christianity there a so, so many differing denominations. Differing on interpretation, or religious services…etc…etc.
Again, not an issue of right or wrong. It’s just the way humanity is.
Other religions have there differing sects, or understanding, or interpretations of their scriptures too.
The point is that it is a belief system.
Belief and knowing are two different things. Example: you look at a car, you wouldn’t say you believe it’s a car, because you KNOW it’s a car.
Now…belief is a powerful thing, people can, or choose to believe in something, in this case , something about God; and the belief is so deeply felt that it is truth, in their belief that is.
All the deeply felt beliefs cannot be ALL correct, cannot be all the truth, can they?
So… here is a peaceful compromise.
Agree that there are many different beliefs and within that reality, why not let each other do their “ thing” for lack of a better word, and just respect one another’s beliefs and live in peace with it?
Don’t let the ego, or a self righteousness attitude cause hatred or division. Because if someone does, they are actually going against their own belief system.
So let the differing denominations within Christianity be and live and worship the way they want, we do that for each other, even with totally different religions, give them and they give the others the same love and respect.
Nobody really KNOWS what THE REAL truth is, we just have our BELIEFS.
Peace to ALL…Amen?
Correct me if I’m misunderstanding, but you seem to be saying that we cannot know objective truths, and we can only subjectively decide things. Is that right?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate when it comes to a belief in a all Supreme Deity, in this case G-d, or whichever name applies depending upon the scriptural writings of whichever religion, the belief can only be, in our capabilities to fully understand the objective truth about G-d, subjective; that’s part of being human.
@@christopher17701-D and that’s an objective truth about belief in God(s)? That beliefs about God(s) can only be subjective?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate when you look at humanity from the outside…. Yes, because that’s how it is, for now.
If G-d came to humanity in person and taught us everything we needed to know about G-d…then it would be objective.
In fact… it would not be belief any longer, it would be knowing.
lol @ "The president is greater than you / your boss at work is greater than you but that doesn't mean you're not fully human" yeah but I am not the same as the President/my boss so that's a ridiculously flawed analogy. If I were the boss at my job, then the boss is not greater than me. If I were the president, the president would not be greater than me.
And in a similar way, the Father is not the same person as the Son. Someone can have a greater office than you while still being equally human. What exactly is your objection?
@@bgslayer4529 the objection is they can't have a higher office than you if you hold that office. The office being "God." We're not talking about Father/Son because that's not what Jesus said according to the scripture. The objection is that he used a fundamentally different scenario to analogize the text and it therefore does not provide any actual counter to the particular position he is trying to address in that section of the video.
Jesus sonship is his human nature. One person 2 nature's human and divine. He took upon himself the form of a servant. Before he was manifest in the flesh he was the word co equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Godhead. Jesus was baptised in Holy Spirit. Which is why the Apostolic church did similar things when as men they were baptised in the Holy Spirit.
I made this point in the previous video but as it was not addressed I hope the podcast creator can respond to my position this time around.Secondly, as to Jesus being the Alpha and Omega: When this expression is used describing Yahweh in the old testament, it is ALWAYS accompanied by him being able to tell the first things from ancient times, calling things that are not yet present as what they will be; essentially Yahweh as the master of time and knowledge. Show me ONE use of Jesus using the title Alpha and Omega where he demonstrates he is the master of time and knowledge, able to call things that are not as that which will come into being. If this guy just simply read and understood Revelation 1:1 he would realise that all his arguments are belied by this one verse. Revelation is the last book of the bible and when it was written Jesus is NO LONGER HUMAN BUT HAS ASSUMED HIS SUPPOSED DIVINITY/ESSENCE/BEING with Yahweh . This is no longer the limited "man god" of the gospels but the full divine all powerful, all knowing Jesus in divine spirit form sharing the same essence as the father right? I say this because trinitarians say that when jesus said that "only the father knows" when judgement day is, he was still limited by being in human form. Fine , cool. So please explain to me why a FULLY DIVINE SPIRIT FORM Jesus STILL does not know and has to get a revelation from his father. If Jesus, now in spirit form , is now "Alpha and omega" why does he still depend on his father for a revelation. The point is that simply sharing a title does not mean that we have the same competence. Hence just the most basic comparison of the phrase 'Alpha and the Omega' when used with Jesus /Jehovah would demonstrate the obvious difference between them.
Jesus had a bodily resurrection and ascension. He will never cease to be fully man and fully God, and men by their nature have physical bodies. There is no upcoming "fully divine spirit form". His transfiguration on Mount Tabor, prior to his death, resurrection and ascension, shows he always had his full divine glory, but that it had not been fully revealed to the world yet.
@brandonleap1673 Let me grant you all that you are advocating and let's see how well it harmonizes with the rest of the Bible. Let's assume you are correct that Jesus always had his full divine glory. Am I to assume that this "divine glory" also includes his omniscience? If yes, then why is it that only the father knows when is judgement? Shouldn't Jesus in all his " divine glory" know this? Also, why does God need to give him the revelation at Rev 1:6?
@@universalman5861 Christ being the only example of a fully divine and fully human person leaves a lot of mystery as to how those two intelligences interact. It does not logically follow though that since the Word of God has divine omniscience that his assumed human nature needs to have constant access to it, nor that it ought to.
Second, denying Jesus' bodily resurrection and ascension into heaven, denies us having the possibility to do so. Christ made human nature righteous by performing those actions as a human, and by his continued existence as one. Eliminating the incarnation of God the Word throws the possibility of salvation out the window, and makes his death on the cross unjust.
@brandonleap1673 Do you believe that the all knowing "Alpha and Omega" can reside in a human body? Jesus christ in Revelation categorically states that he is the Alpha and Omega. Additionally, do you believe that in this human form in heaven he is the equal as Yahweh the father? Finally, if all three( father , son , holy spirit) share the same being, do you believe that a man in human form can share the same being as the holy spirit and the father?
@@universalman5861 My answer to all of those questions is yes although I may use different wording for the first one. What you treat as absurd is what Christendom has always believed.
Do you believe Jesus is human then becomes God later?
Isaiah 9:6 says the sons name is everlasting Father and mighty God Isaiah 10:21 jehovah calls himself mighty God
Nope! The trinity isn't a lie... it's just man trying to explain God, put Him in a box and weap it up. That's why it doesn't make sense.
@@GradyRisley it makes perfect sense,if you read the bible properly.
@@GradyRisley don't criticise something you don't understand properly.
Its all a cult
This is sophistry at its best!!!!!!!!!!
Thetes no records the apostles baptizing this way, " in the name of the father, and of the son and of the holy spirit, Jesus did not said to them, " make disciples in all earth,but leave them whatevet they want to acts or teach, So, ,,,,the Jw's, are exactly inlined of the apostles beliefs,
You need stronger arguments on Jesus deity. I'll leave a few in awhile.