I just wish Jehovah's Witnesses would realize that if The Watchtower was misleading them on something as basic as the Name of God, then they surely must be misleading them on a great many other issues as well. Great video!
One issue I immediately see in their videos of Biblical times is that everyone wears spotless, new looking clothing, including the digital characters. The reality is people probably stank (they didn't wash much 400 years ago, never mind 2000 years!), smelt of the animals many lived with and wore all kinds of shifts, sheepskin and other. Reality is absent as it is in the doctrines and such. 😮 😢
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The term "Jeho" in names like Jehoshua and Jehoshaphat is not derived from "Jehovah" but rather from the Hebrew YHWH, the original Tetragrammaton. The word "Jehovah" is a much later construct that did not exist during the time these names were used. Therefore, while these names reflect devotion to the God of the Bible, the claim that "Jeho" directly references "Jehovah" is anachronistic and linguistically inaccurate.
Problem with JW is they belive they are " in the truth" and rest of us we are just blinded by devil and we try to trick them. They don't see this as truth. They see this as attempt of Satan's deceptions that want to pull them away from "the truth".
@Mr.DC3.1914 The names Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Isaiah, Zechariah all include the name of God in the form of the tettragramaton, YH at the end of the names.
Thank you Seth. This really helped. Along with your other video about the cross. Recently, after seeing me wearing a cross, my father who is a JW sent me this message “Your actions in distancing yourself from the Truth by actively pursuing a form of worship directly contrary to the Truth - ignoring our Creator Jehovah God and blatantly adopting an image, the cross, which you must know is abhorrent to our beliefs means that we have no choice sadly but to also distance ourselves from you, out of loyalty to our Creator Jehovah.” Both he and my mum have been hot and cold with me for a while since I faded out of the religion. I recently found the true Jesus so I feel at peace with this. But also sad.
Just know it was them who chose to distance themselves from you. Stay firm in your beliefs as they are firm in theirs, only difference is that your love for the true Christ doesn’t force you to push away your parents, they are the ones pushing you away and that should tell you what kind of God they are following
Be strong. We all went through this. You will be fine. There is no love in this printing and publishing company cum real estate empire disguised as a religion called Watchtower. To shun your own child shows no love.
Have they never heard of the patibulum - the cross piece that was nailed to the stauros. Tell them to look it up on Google. Do they really think that historians are out to upset Just the Jehovah’s Witnesses?
As a former lifelong JW, I congratulate you, @Theology With Seth, on another excellent expose of Watchtower theology. The Watchtower Bible Translation Committee admitted in print that Jehovah is not really God's name, writing "While inclining to view the pronunciation 'Yahweh' as the more correct way, we have retained the form 'Jehovah' because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century." ~ New World Bible Translation Committee (The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, page 23.) Keep up the good work, Seth!
Great and blessed research. Thank you for making such a difficult topic quite clear. That's real heavy lifting and I pray that this video is widely viewed, as it's the best breakdown I have ever seen. God bless.
Just found your channel today, really enjoy your uploads and break downs on scripture. Wishing you and your loved ones a blessed rest of the year and very merry Christmas.
I did my own personal research , and found out from a Hebrew Jewish/ Bible Scholar, that the vowels of adonai, are not the vowels used in Yehovah. ..The name that many Jews don't want Gentiles using. Exodus 3: 15:" This is my name forever" was handed down orally." Every spoken language contains vowels, and the earliest preserved writings we have.. provide us with the evidence...not forgetting the centuries if minted coins which bear the divine name in English, along with the wealth of archaeological evidence...it's too weighty to ignore!
All i have to say is thank you beyond word. Greatly appreciate it. Keep bringing truth to light regardless. I have been in this religion all my life. I got baptized in 2019. My spiritual mother woke me up because she no longer believe anymore eben though im still in
@theologywithseth Thank you. Greatly appreciate it. Please do so. Hope you have a good day today. I know it's a higher being up there. It's not Jehovah though
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
Never forget Jesus' words: "Salvation originates with the Jews. " The true worshippers would be worshipping the Father, for the Father is looking for ones to worship him." I'm an ex trinitarian , because of a discarded Bible , when I saw Psalm 83: 18 ...my eyes opened up to the one true God whom Jesus worshipped. It happened to be an old King James Bible. The New Divine Name King James Bible has restored Almighty God's name ..JEHOVAH to 6973 places and, JAH, in 50 places, to the UNREVISED text of the Authorized King James Version Praised be the god and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. - 2 Corinthians 1: 3.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yehovah is in the Hebrew, but people that don’t know the language want to argue for Yahweh. The Dictionary of Mythology. Yahweh - an ancient moon god sometimes equated with Baal.
Hebrew Bible scholar- Nehemia Gordon, has yet to find one manuscript to support Yahweh, in any ancient Hebrew manuscript; however, he has linked it to the Samaritans, and their God.
Jehovah's Witnesses direct people to Jesus....God's chosen Messiah. If you read Isaiah 42:1 : " Look my servant whom I support ! My chosen one whom I have approved( Chosen from amongst whom? I have put my spirit in him. ( Spirit belonging to who? ) Are you denying the God and Father of our lord, Jesus Christ ? Whom Jesus called the only true God.-John 17: 3
@@That_one_introvert. Yes exactly….over 10,000 manuscripts were examined by the foremost scholar in the world of the masoretic text along with Nehemiah….they could not find a single instance of Yahwey. However, pagan scholars said you’re gonna be hard-pressed to find out what the name Yahweh means but if you check against Hebrew sources . Doesn’t exist.However in pagan literature, you will easily hit pay dirt…and find out what it means… Because it’s pagan…its Jupiter
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 D.C , Seth pointed out that the WT teaches that this name has been from the beginning then they later recanted and said it wasn't from the beginning, which is it? This is not a matter of getting "new" light it is a matter of not doing historical homework. This was the point of the whole program that Seth put forth. For the rest of us not in this group the name Jehovah is not the point because if we are born from above the name of Yeshua is the point. When the WT talks out of both sides of their mouth shouldn't you be questioning why? Charles T. Russell said only one true thing: New light can not cancel old light and this is true. A person may not fully understand prophecy at first but when the understanding comes it is a full understanding of the same not a complete opposite reveal. For the WT, they say that they get new light from God then they completely cancel out the things they say and call it new light from God. This is not how God works. God doesn't change(Malachi 3:6) and He doesn't lie (Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18) so if you have completely opposite reveals on the same subject then it wasn't from the God of the bible. We are told to test the spirits. How do we do that? We go to the word and read the entire chapter or even letter on the subject.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 DC sin is not a mistake! I hear many people stating this very thing. The WT has a habit of stating that they are speaking for God, then being wrong and adjusting their teachings accordingly, when someone is wrong then they admit it and apologize. The WT never to my knowledge has admitted any wrong doing for teaching unbiblical things. Did you know that the second explanation for blaspheming God's name is teaching wrong things and saying it's coming from God? This is the moral law. Following the Lord is not an improvement program it is surrendering to the Lord Jesus Christ for your sins and having a renewal of the mind. This is not taught in the WT so there's no washing of sins because the gospel is not spoken. We are dead in our sins, a dead man can not decide to improve himself, we must first understand by the Holy Spirit that we are dead and separated from God because of our wickedness then make the decision to surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ knowing that there is no other way then follow Him.
So you’re not using any ‘apostate’ material? Lol. The problem with that is that 99% of apostate material is just old Watchtower literature that they’ve since changed.
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
While edging out of JWs I find I'm much closer to God by just calling him Father. I realise the falacy at the heart of JW reasoning. People who are friends with the king of England call him Charles. But those closest to him call him father,or papa, or dad, not Charles. So emphasis on the name makes them friends of God, not children of God. Awesome video again Seth.
But remember it is scriptural to call him father..Good! However, all children know their fathers name….YeHoVaH….if we are his children, that is. I hope you are.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 the masoretes definitely concealed the divine name because of oral tradition. Thats the elephant in the room. That is the tradition your speaking of. Its a tradition not rooted in law but oral tradition. Evidence…The persecution of Emperor Hadrian burned a jew for pronouncing the sacred name with the vowels by wrapping a tora scroll around him with a soaked sponge to make him suffer longer. 250 CE. He hated Jews. So all the Jews had a prohibition on the name and Tora writing openly for some centuries…So when they said the priestly blessing according to the law they developed the special two handed finger separation that you see leonard nimoy in star-trek do. He uses one hand actually….their was a ban on the divine name just before the destruction of the second temple and because of Roman Hadrians persecutions. In one of the oral traditions..I’ve quoted it above in the other comments….a man ascended the sacrificial area with his brother in law( they were apparently lined up )where he heard the high priest swallow the name…..basically that means he said the name YeHoVaH under his breath as part of the priestly duties at the temple to bless the people in the way YeHoVaH prescribed in the law….basically using his name. ….but cautiously not out loud. The Ultimate proof is in the Aleppo codex…i mentioned this in the historical comment above. When they would write the consonants they were deliberately very careful to leave out the middle vowel or leave out the points all together. …however, when you do this for thousands of times …..and in the masora’s mind ( masorete) he was saying it with the 3 vowels included….guess what would happen occasionally? Yyyyuuuup..Yes. He would write it with all the vowel points…YeHoVaH. In English you could harden the Y and use a J. JeHoVaH. Since Nehemiah Gordon found these multiple occurances in the Aleppo codex….they have also found the same in the Leningrad Codex. …..and to date we have found over a thousand manuscripts with the vowel points completely in place……so much for the scholar you mentioned. Those guys are trying to protect a theology just like trinitarians with the Jesus is God nonsense. The rabbis have admitted for centuries that the missing vowels were sheva kolam kamatz…..in private communications and letters that were not transcribed except at certain Universities….but now they are being transcribed for the first time in literally hundreds of years and sometimes the first time ever. The vowels are openly reffered to among ancient rabbis. But besides this they have unearthed scriptural references in Isreal that clearly refer to the 3 vowels. …here’s the kicker. Drum role please?..bbbbb…bbbbb. Guess how many manuscripts have Yahwey?……….zero. There are none. In fact it violates basic Hebrew grammar….you have to have a vowel after the H….the only exception is in some name endings. If some people in these posts truly knew Hebrew grammar as they say,,,,they would not be saying these things. But there theology crosses over and blinds their attempt at unbiased scholarship. Let the text speak….do not read into it. The grossest part is while rightfully exposing the JW’s , your turning people out of the frying pan and into the fire of pure pagan teachings!! Your supposed to free them from the cult,,,not substitute it with the ancient pagan cult of constantine and friends. Your knowledge of scripture should get more accurate….not descend back down to the filth of trinity, violating the first commandment, hellfire ( propagating the first lie told to Eve, she would not die) and making the creator into a vindictive fiend of fire sacrifice of the pagan god Molech Jeremiah 7:31. A thing that had never come into my heart said YeHoVaH……. We should be reaching higher….not descend back down to pagan doctrine. …then somehow say this is love?! How are you better than the governing body…they want to be our mediator, replacing Jesus….and you want God and Jesus to be evil vindictive sadistic torturers….or my favorite..he needed another angel in heaven when somebody dies. Therefore attributing wickedness to God. Raise yourselves above that. Going back into the filth or going back into mire filthy darkness is not the answer
Thank you seth. Ive been talking to a jw every Saturday for the last month trying to see what they believe in and i finally built up my lil knowledge and strength by the Holy Spirit and i used a couple things from your videos and he was shocked i knew so much and the next day he came back an gave me a NWT and the kingdom interlinear book and i was thinking he dont know what he just did 😂 hopefully i can keep talkin to em and help him realize who Christ Jesus is! Ty so much an may the Lord bless you and keep you healthy for many yrs!
I'm so glad to hear that! I'll be praying for some continued conversations and that the Holy Spirit would bring your JW friends to a knowledge of the truth. God bless you as well!
Jehovah's Witnesses didn't get the name wrong. It was used before the Witnesses ever came along and was accepted as the Latinised form of Yahweh. So if its not Jehovah. Please enlighten us .
There*s a reason why we say "Hallelujah" and not "Hallelujeh". The "-jah"-part ist the short form for the name of God. Same goes for names like Isajah, Elijah a.o.
Hey Sholeetunes. Not here to argue, just to share a different point of view: Have you ever noticed, that those theophoric names that carry "YH" [יה] in the beginning are pronounced either "Yeho*", names like Jehoshua, Jehoshafat, or "Jo*" names like Yoseph or Yohanan... I think is possible, that the same thing COULD apply for the name of God. I have read [and watched] countless sources about the name of the LORD but I am still unsure. God bless you!
@@amoscorvus Interesting point of view. But then..."Elijah" stands for "The name of my GOD is Jah...". "El" is the short form for "Elohim". I'm not shure if using Wikipedia is forbidden for mempbers of JW, but there's a good article about the origins of the word "Halleluja(h)" with cross reference to the scientific background of hewbrew translations. At least in the gerrman Wikipedia you can find an article about the origins of the name "Jehoshua", where you can read "Yeshua ha-Nosri stands for "Jesus of Nazareth" I am aware that Wikipedia itself is not scientific, but they have to back up their content with sources that can then be used for further research. I am very grateful that the Bible even encourages us to pursue all sources without limits. The Bible does not limit the sources of information, which I find absolutely wonderful, and it also shows me that the Bible does not have to be afraid of being refuted. (Okay, there are exceptions, but they do not fundamentally change the actual message of the scriptures.)
I found this video fascinating, thank you! I was a 3rd gen born in witness, baptized at 12. My wife and I started doing research after watching the ARC case and realized that everything we'd been taught our whole lives was a lie. It was so hard mentally to come to grips with, but we couldn't ignore it. We recently sent in our DA letters together and the announcement will be made tonight, 1/1/25. Happy New Year! 😆 I am curious tho, when it comes to Jesus being God, how do you reconcile that with Exodus 33:20 ? Thank you for your videos, they are very helpful!
Great presentation, Seth! My preferred bible translation is the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB), which has replaced 'LORD' with 'Yahweh' wherever it appears as an acknowledgement that the original word causes us to remember exactly the name used from the Hebrew text more so than when we see the translation, “LORD.”
Hello Seth great work and i love to watch your videos for my information work about jw in different Christian congregation. I personally dont care if they use jehova instead of YHWH or how ever ...the problem is that they only see the father in this name and they are even ready ro change the scriptures to support it. I think the big problem with the name is: 1. JW told me its not possible to be a "friend" of God without using his name... There you see its not an emotional bonding to God, its a practical bonding like to a boss. If i use my boss his firstname (he let me) im closer to a Promotion....but if my daughter calls my firstname i would have a problem with it.... 2. Insert Jehova on the new testament. Only because i quote a other writing doesn't mean i want to say exactly the same....lets say i write a love letter to my wife and i quote Shakespeare: romeo o romeo ....i write now my love o my love....do i have to call my wife now romeo? Thanks a lot for your work and greetings from Switzerland
*"JW told me its not possible to be a "friend" of God without using his name."* This...said about the god that utterly failed to preserve his own name in his own book. Watchtower admits in their literature that the true rendering of YHWH has been lost forever. That being the case, it is absurd to insist that their fictitious choice having nothing to do with YHWH is the only one a person should use.
@Mr.DC3.1914 The Triune God, or Trinity, is a Christian belief that God is experienced as three persons with distinct roles, but equal divinity: The Father The creator and origin, who chooses, plans, and wills. The Father is the head of Deity. The Son The fulfiller, who obeys the Father and does His will. The Son reveals Deity. The Holy Spirit Carries out the work of Deity, setting apart, sanctifying, and teaching. The Holy Spirit dwells in us, pointing us to the Father and the Son. The Trinity's roles reflect its eternal relationship, and do not diminish the deity, attributes, or essential nature of each person. Each person of the Trinity has all of the attributes of God, and no one person has any attributes that are not possessed by the others.
Its interesting that Jws muslims and Mormons all claim some level of biblical corruption Galatians 1:9 says, "If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed". The bible authors knew this would happen when it was written. Peace and blessings to all
You're spot-on! Pretty much every cult/counterfeit religion has to diminish the Bible's authority in some way in order to support their aberrant teachings and JW's are no different. Thanks for watching!
That's a strong accusation. But if quoting from the Holy Scriptures in truth is another Gospel already, than there is something wrong with such a principle. Because Jesus Christ spoke the truth, not the opposite. But I agree that the Gospel should be retained in truth, as received via inspiration. But at least it is not deliberate, and there is a note, that it was inserted. Though I believe that Jesus Christ, who didn't himself write anything related to the Gospel, and the Apostles, when they were quoting from the Holy Scriptures, they could be quoting it in full, and Gospel itself is not only the written document. Which was written maybe in favor of the Septuagint than and of spreading of the Gospel among the nations. The Scriptures also says that to Jews were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God. Romans 3:1,2 And that aside there is the Kingdom Interlinear Bible.
To defend the true Gospel, we should also know, what this Gospel contained. Jesus himself likely cited the Tetragrammaton directly in his famous speech, citing from Isaiah 61:1. John 17:26: "I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them." Its also been noted of Tarphon the sage of the 1st century, that the heretical works, or the Gospels (gilyonim) which contained the Tetragrammaton were burned.
@nataliamundell6266 WROTE: "Its interesting that Jws muslims and Mormons all claim some level of biblical corruption " Yep! All false religions have three things in common: they add books, distort or deny the deity of Christ and teach works-based salvation.
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
Great video. I left the sect of JWs after 30 years and am an evangelical Christian now. My friendship with a reknown Bible translator in Europe who would confirm what you say on the so called corruption of the NT was one of the reasons. May the Lord be a quick judge on this corrupt organization. And may a lot of members of the Watchtower start to read a non corrupted Bible under prayer and not put trust in men.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I have no problem with the pronunciation Jehovah or Yahweh. I use the name of God. I have a problem with pretending that the scripts we have have been corrupted by a worldwide conspiracy of false Christians because Jesus is nothing than an angel. That’s what JWs claim and there’s their heresy.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 well you should do a lot more research on that matter. The YHWH was replaced by kyrios in the septuagint and these copies where used by the apostles. I know all these theories of unitarians and JWs and other groups who pretend that evil christianity corrupted the Bible. Well a God who is not capable of protecting his own word against corruption is a weak God and he will certainly not use a denomination like JWs to bring glory to his name.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 if you are such a wise person (and probably a JW) call Sam Shamoun and discuss the matter with him. By the way YOU SHOULD NOT DISCUSS WITH APOSTATES AS YOUR GOVERNING BODY SAYS and YOU SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM AND READ NOTHING SO YOU DO NOT WHAT YOUR LEADERS EXPECT FROM YOU: you're a hypocrite. I am an apostate JW so you should not answer. Have a nice day
When studying with JWs I was told something that made sense. In Matthew 6:9, in the Lords Prayer, Jesus says “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”’ How can his name be sanctified if we don’t use his name? Jesus also explicitly said in John 17:26 that he has made God’s name known. What is your opinion on this? On a different note, I was surprised by the point you made on the verse that would be calling Jesus Jehova if we follow JWs translation rule. However, you didn’t say whether you agree with the rule in the first place. To me it seems reasonable to include God’s name when there is a clear reference/quote to a passage in the Old Testament where the Tetragrammaton was used. Thank you for your videos on JWs, they’ve been very useful in my personal study.
This comment raises thoughtful points about the sanctification of God's name and the inclusion of "Jehovah" in Bible translations. Let’s analyze the logic and offer perspectives to address the key questions raised. --- ### **1. The Sanctification of God’s Name (Matthew 6:9)** - **The Argument**: Jesus instructs His followers to pray for God’s name to be sanctified, suggesting that knowing and using God’s name is essential to fulfilling this command. If we do not use His name, how can it be sanctified? #### **Logical Perspective**: - **What Does "Sanctify" Mean?** - The Greek word translated as "sanctify" (hagiazo) means to set apart as holy, honor, or revere. It doesn’t explicitly require frequent verbal use of the name but implies honoring God's character, reputation, and holiness. - Sanctification could involve how we live, worship, and represent God rather than just verbally saying His name. - **Does Knowing the Name Alone Fulfill the Command?** - Many Bible translations use titles like "Lord" or "God" in place of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), but this doesn’t necessarily diminish respect for God’s character. - Example: Ancient Jews avoided pronouncing God’s name out of reverence, yet they were considered faithful worshippers. - **Jesus’ Practice**: - Nowhere in the Gospels is Jesus recorded using the Tetragrammaton explicitly. If Jesus viewed verbal use of God’s name as crucial, why didn’t He set an example by using it directly? - Instead, Jesus emphasizes relationship ("Our Father") and reverence over pronunciation. ### **2. "I Have Made Your Name Known" (John 17:26)** - **The Argument**: Jesus states that He made God’s name known, which might imply the need for verbal use of the divine name. #### **Logical Perspective**: - **"Name" as More Than a Word**: - In biblical context, "name" often signifies one’s character, authority, and reputation rather than just a literal term (Proverbs 22:1). - When Jesus said He made God’s name known, it likely refers to revealing God’s character, purposes, and authority through His teachings, miracles, and actions, not necessarily verbal repetition of the Tetragrammaton. - **Jesus’ Audience Already Knew God’s Name**: - The Jews Jesus spoke to already knew YHWH from the Hebrew Scriptures. Jesus’ mission was not to reintroduce the pronunciation of God’s name but to deepen understanding of God’s nature and will. ### **3. The JW Translation Rule: Should "Jehovah" Be Used in the New Testament?** - **The Argument**: The JWs believe God's name, Jehovah, should be inserted into New Testament passages that clearly reference Old Testament texts containing the Tetragrammaton. #### **Logical Perspective**: - **Reasonableness of the Rule**: - On the surface, it seems reasonable to include "Jehovah" in quotes or allusions to Old Testament texts where YHWH appears, as this maintains continuity between the Testaments. - Example: Romans 10:13 quotes Joel 2:32, where YHWH is used. Including "Jehovah" could clarify the source and context of the quote. - **Potential Issues**: - **Manuscript Evidence**: No existing Greek New Testament manuscripts include the Tetragrammaton. Adding "Jehovah" is therefore an editorial decision not supported by the oldest texts. - **Interpretative Bias**: Translators might insert "Jehovah" where it fits their theology, even if the context points to Jesus (e.g., Philippians 2:10-11, quoting Isaiah 45:23 about YHWH but applied to Jesus). - **Consistency Problem**: - If we strictly follow the JW rule, certain New Testament passages would identify Jesus as Jehovah. For instance, John 12:41 connects Isaiah’s vision of YHWH’s glory (Isaiah 6:1-5) with Jesus. Would this mean Jesus is Jehovah? JWs reject this implication. ### **4. Practical Application of Using God’s Name** - **Does Verbal Use of "Jehovah" Matter?**: - While using God's name (YHWH) can demonstrate respect for His identity, sanctifying God’s name ultimately involves living in a way that honors Him (1 Peter 2:12). - The emphasis should be on reflecting God’s character and bringing glory to His name through actions, not just verbal repetition. ### **5. Conclusion** - **Sanctification of God’s Name**: The sanctification of God’s name in Matthew 6:9 is about honoring His character and reputation, not necessarily frequent verbal use of "Jehovah." - **Jesus’ Use of the Name**: In John 17:26, Jesus made God’s "name" known by revealing His character, authority, and purposes, not by reintroducing the Tetragrammaton. - **The JW Translation Rule**: Including "Jehovah" in New Testament passages referencing Old Testament texts can clarify context but lacks manuscript support and can lead to theological inconsistencies. Ultimately, the sanctification of God’s name involves both knowledge of His identity and living in alignment with His will, rather than focusing solely on verbal usage.
Repeatedly saying someone's name does NOT in any way, shape or form mean that name is exalted friend. When Jesus said HE made the Father's name known, it does not, nor did it ever mean that Jesus walked around saying "Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah" Repeatedly everywhere He went. Not at all. When Jesus said that, it means as it says, Jesus made known, He MANIFESTED the Name if God.. to come in someone's name means that Jesus took upon HimSELF the characteristics. Qualities and attributes if the Father. Jesus MANIFESTED the LOVE of the Father, the GRACE of the Father, the FORGIVENESS of the Father... Jesus manifested power over the weather on the sea of Galilee, Jesus HEALED the leper,, made well the sick and Jesus RAISED the dead.. This is what that means. Jesus has made the Father's name "KNOWN".. LET THIS SIT ON YOUR HEART
@marcelocampbell1679 Hi there! I would agree with what some have said in the thread here- that when Jesus talks about making God's name known, he really has in mind God's character, identity, nature, and purpose, etc. It doesn't necessarily mean he went around teaching people about the tetragrammaton. He certainly could have, I suppose, but we don't have a record of that anywhere in the gospels. More than anything, Jesus addressed God as "Father" and that seems to be the example he wants us to follow. As far as the rule about importing the Divine Name back into the New Testament whenever it's quoting from the Old... while I think you can make a reasonable argument for that, I'm always going to be on the side of simply accurately translating whatever word is on the page. If it's "Kyrios", let's stick with "Lord", if it's "Theos", let's stick with "God", etc. Those are the terms God chose to inspire the Biblical authors to record, so I think we should keep them. But that's just me. I hope that helps!
20:00 this is a fantastic video, and i appreciate the work you put into this. i was comparing several translations i have and found something interesting the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) does import ADONAI on Old Testament quotes and HIS name is in both Romans 14 and Philippians 2. ESV (English Standard Version) does not reverently capitalize LORD in the New Testament however Lord is contained in both passages. This requires the layperson to do extra foot work of cross referencing to find out if YHWH is present and translated as LORD in Isaiah 45. TS2009 (The Scriptures 2009) uses YHWH in Hebrew characters ( יהוה ) to avoid translation confusion. In the New Testament יהוה will only be used in direct quotes of the Old Testament. So Romans 14 does contain יהוה however Philippians 2 is a segment quote and borrows specific phrases. So the translators chose to use “Elohim” and “Master”. One other unique thing about The Scriptures 2009 is they print New Testament quotes from the Old Testament in Bold. In Philippians 2 it shows how several phrases from Isaiah 45 are sprinkled throughout but not quoted verbatim like Romans 14. Just goes to show that every translation is going to take some liberties or have cross references homework to gather better understanding. This is why i think we should read multiple translations. Limiting yourself to only one is very dangerous.
@ Tyndale did a great translation for his day. His translation made a lot of advances for the Bible being accessible for the layperson. Tyndale’s translation effectively does the same thing that TS2009 did. It lists God in Romans 14 and Lord in Philippians 2. Tyndale’s translation you have to do the additional work of the cross reference checking. No translation is going to show you everything, you have to earnestly study. In general most translations are pretty serviceable. However reading multiple will give the reader a better understanding of what’s going on.
Hey Seth, just know that "apostates" research using the same two sources you just mentioned 😂. I get it though, you don't want to turn off active JWs to your video. Good job!
Thank you for this, as an ex-JW I really appreciate learning more about the hypocrisy of the Witnesses. I had no idea that the Divine Name does not appear in the New Testament at all, what a crazy realization.
Actually there are Hebrew manuscripts of the gospels where the name does appear with full vowels,, even some in Greek ,,although not a lot.….like this in English “YeHoVaH.” The W in YHWH is from greek Aramaic influences…..the J was originally soft in Latin and still soft in Spanish. Being equivalent to Y in sound, and with the pointing in Hebrew, would sound like Yeah( yes ) Thats why English uses the J….languages change. See Nehemiah Gordon. Beware of people who call themselves scholars…their giving theology...if the JWs were erroneous….so are there many others….probably even worse……….the JWs are falling into the ditch of the blind leading the blind…..but they land on top of others who never left the ditch…..by using dark age pagan teachings who do not truelly or dishonestly translate these languages….so people get duped.
Yeah, I say ditch, the JW’s. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. The basic doctrines about the trinity and mortality of the soul gods name hellfire the grave. That stuff is true. They got that right. But all the other nonsense 144,000 great crowd of other sheep, faithful and discreet slave anointed Christians is pure BS very subtle manipulation.
I don’t think the pronunciation of the name matters as much as people make it out to. No one truly knows, especially considering the belief that God struck the tongue. I get why it’s brought up, though, because some people are quick to correct others, acting like they’ve got it perfectly right. But honestly, the most alarming part of the religion is their claim of being "God’s organization." In a 2023 *Watchtower* book, they even say you should obey them *even if it seems wrong* and provide a few scriptures to back up their belief system.
I grew up a jw, we were taught the cross is false etc, even a bad symbol actually. I was taught the Jesus died on a stake or upright pole. They say stauros means pole in Greek. After much research on the subject I found the jw book reasoning from the scriptures under cross says stauros then quotes the imperial bible dictionary from 1893 or there about. Since we have access to that now, I found out the jw had did the …. To omit the other part of the definition in which it calls out a crux or cross. Recently I did a job for a Greek woman, i told her about this, she said 100 percent without a doubt stauros or stavros means cross. She said of Jesus had died on an upright post it would have said he died on a kolona.
Thanks for sharing that with me! I'm very glad you made it out of the Watchtower and have had time to do some of your own research. Believe it or not, I made a video talking about the cross vs. the stake a couple of weeks ago. I'll leave a link below for you if you'd like to check it out! ruclips.net/video/mAzPm2OlR5Y/видео.html
@MattG171 The cross✝️ is a principal symbol of Christianity, representing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the redeeming benefits of his death. Matthew 16:24 ESV Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. The carrying of the cross is mentioned in all the canonical Gospels: Matthew 27:31-33, Mark 15:20-22, Luke 23:26-32, and John 19:16-18. Paul embodies the cross in his ministry, becoming the fragrance of death as he is lead on the triumphal procession (2 Cor. 2:14-17), and he evens says he has been crucified with Christ (Gal 2:20). Galatians 2:20 says, "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me". Matthew 27:37 also supports the idea of a cross rather than a stake when it says; "Above his head they had put the charge against him in writing: 'THIS IS JESUS, KING OF THE JEWS' ".
@@Mr.DC3.1914 yes the witnesses are a cult with the truths as bait. IE substituting the governing body as mediator for christ…its in their publications. However, as our friend says above ,,hes right. In the early part of the first century it was a pale or timber stauros. How do we know? Cause the same root word is used in 2 seaparate places….1 when they came to him to arrest him at night with a crowd who had CLUBS in their hands ….same root word…a doubt they had crosses in their hands…2 he told the Jews the Romans would come and put up STAKES and surround it….same root word….highly doubt they surrounded Jerusalem with crosses. Heres another idea….the whole idea having crosses hung around your neck or in your home is idolatry. The crosd predates christianity is a sign of magic …navigation in some instances and highly associated with the military….the chinese from 1500 bce in the Shanghai museum on their blades of combat had crosses. So did the Europeaners before christ when they went out yo battle. That the jews knew it was a pale or a timber was known about 80 years previously whrn visitors would visit Jerusalem to see thought they thought was calvary hill….they had 3 stakes setup…..so the visitors started complaing…..my friend went back there 20 years later in the 1950’s and they put up crosses to satisfy the cry baby’s. Truth can be painful. But with the JWs, its bait. Bait people in with some truth like a pool hustler.,.then swallow the lie of 1914 and signs of no indicator of his presence and turn these warnings of it not being a sign of his presence into the sign of his presence!….the exact thing he said to be aware of …the calamities would be NO indicator of his presence but would be business as usual in a sinful satanic world. He actually says do not go after them because nation would rise against nation ,earthquakes etc….they were cautioned that those things would be no indicator. In the parallel account in Luke 21…he uses the fig tree to to teach us saying….when he returns, you will need no one to tell you…” you know it for yourselves”. ….just like when the curtains are drwan close and lightening flashes…you can still see the curtsin lightup! Nobody has to tell you. You will know when christs return or parousia begins….as he said in the fig tree illustration. You will know it for yourselves. The problem is they think conclusion matt24:3 suntéleia and ‘end’ verse 14 télos are different meanings. Actually they are used interchangeably….they are synonyms. It was used in jesus day in secular sources and always had to do with direct forceful big entry and change…..in fact christ after describing wars etc being no indicator of his presence telks us to look out for people saying he was invisibly present!!….matthew 24:26 hes in the inner room…..hes hidden in the wildreness….invisible right?….you just can’t see him they say….he said dint believe it. You will know without anybody having to tell you. Christians are simply told to keep doing our masters will until he arrives
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 I wish it was a lie. I don’t lie. But the GB lies all the time. I could say trust me i know the literature very, very well and an friends with an anonymous writing committe member. Ive known others but not so personally. A lot of good men and women are in the org but are being completely duped about the history. They pretend to be candid about their mistakes but instead are creating limited hangouts for revisionist history. Their very deceptive.Actually its buried in the literature.they phrase it as since they are kings and priests they officiate for the great crowd…therefore Christ is not technically our mediator but theirs….and they mediate for us. Pretty twisted isnt it? But let me get back to you and find the 2 books its in and the exact location in the insight book for you….hold on page 362…those for whom christ is mediator is the subheading.also Blessings to mankind in general pg362.. well, Jesus mediator ship operates SOLELY toward those in the new covenant, he is also gods, high priest, and the seed of Abraham… … it gets a little vague, but States it….. I think it’s life eternal under the prince of peace book… In that book it’s very direct. It actually says he’s actually only the mediator for the anointed as they call it. Its in print. I will tell you where to look….if you have other questions for proof…i will provide it honestly. ….just so your aware…i do not believe trinity hellfire immortal soul etc…. But there are very subtle psychological manipulations going on that have been happening for years….they have playbooks….” worldwide security under the Prince of peace “1986, page 10. He’s only the mediator for the 144,000….. Remember, I’m actually telling you the truth. But they are not so forthcoming. I’m your real brother and will never lie to you. The governing body has a long history of making mistakes and not admitting to it ….and deceptively lying about those mistakes after 15 or twenty years passes and then do a revisionist version creating afmittable Iimited ommissions without full, disclosure and even very recentlyimplying it was the other sheeps fault when in fact the leadership had said those things. saying, recently jeff windbag windler…we see no need to apologize. A humble person, Would certainly apologize.
I find it interesting of the name 'EL. As in Beth EL. EL homin. And Superman's father. JorEL. Jehovah is not gods name. Who cares about gods name. I call the name of the man who created me as dad, father, pop, or any other name other than his first name. Why do JW's think it's so important to call god Jehovah. Who cares. We know his name. It's inappropriate and disrespectful to call your dad by his first name.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 you are missing the point. Jesus said when we pray say " Our Father". The name of God is way less important than the relationship we have with him. And in relationship he is called " Abba Father". Further, we are adopted as his children and Abba Father is the equivalent of "daddy" JWs as per usual miss the wood for the trees!
@@adamantiumbullet9215 wow, you are as obstinate as the Jehovah's witnesses themselves! But let's go with what you say. Okay, Father is a title and not a name. Did Jesus call him Father or a specific name? Did Jesus say we should pray our Father or by another name or title? It doesn't even matter and that's the point. It's the JWs that insist on calling him Jehovah which is silly. Call him Yahweh, great! God, Lord all good. But Father is intimate and that is what Jesus modelled for us in the Lords prayer
14:02 Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence - if the manuscripts have been tampered with, JDubs must show us an original manuscript or copy of the original that has the Divine Name. If it's changed, then we can't trust any of it.
I wholeheartedly agree! The record shows a reliable transmission of the New Testament so anyone who wants to contest that bears the burden of proof. Thanks for watching!
John Rylands fragments….in Hebrew from late first century…..George Howards Hebrew Matthew…an original copied from earlier than the greek translations..abundant evidence for that. And greek fragments containing the name YeHoVaH with the vowels in Greek. It can be seen in the fragments. …Hebrew and Greek….the name It can be deduced from George Howards by any reasonable unbiased scholar…definitely not from the Greek..that could have only been known by a Hebrew copy that was original.
@mrmike9286 John Ryland's Fragment (NOTHING about ..."the Word was a god."): The recto text comes from the Gospel of John 18:31-33: ΟΙ ΙΟΥΔΑΙΟΙ ΗΜΕΙΝ ΟΥΚ ΕΞΕΣΤΙΝ ΑΠΟΚΤΕΙΝΑΙ ΟΥΔΕΝΑ ΙΝΑ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΙΗΣΟΥ ΠΛΗΡΩΘΗ ΟΝ ΕΙ- ΠΕΝ ΣΗΜΑΙΝΩΝ ΠΟΙΩ ΘΑΝΑΤΩ ΗΜΕΛΛΕΝ ΑΠΟ- ΘΝΗΣΚΕΙΝ ΙΣΗΛΘΕΝ ΟΥΝ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΠΡΑΙΤΩ- ΡΙΟΝ Ο ΠΙΛΑΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΦΩΝΗΣΕΝ ΤΟΝ ΙΗΣΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΕΙΠΕΝ ΑΥΤΩ ΣΥ ΕΙ O ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΙΟΥ- ΔΑΙΩN Eleven lines of the text are lost, containing 18:34-36. The text translates as: ... the Jews, "For us it is not permitted to kill anyone," so that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he sp- oke signifying what kind of death he was going to die. Entered therefore again into the Praeto- rium Pilate and summoned Jesus and said to him, "Thou art king of the Jews?" The verso text comes from the Gospel of John, 18:37-38: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΕΙΜΙ ΕΓΩ ΕΙΣ TOΥΤΟ ΓΕΓΕΝΝΗΜΑΙ ΚΑΙ (ΕΙΣ ΤΟΥΤΟ) ΕΛΗΛΥΘΑ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΚΟΣΜΟΝ ΙΝΑ ΜΑΡΤΥ- ΡΗΣΩ ΤΗ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΠΑΣ Ο ΩΝ ΕΚ ΤΗΣ ΑΛΗΘΕI- ΑΣ ΑΚΟΥΕΙ ΜΟΥ ΤΗΣ ΦΩΝΗΣ ΛΕΓΕΙ ΑΥΤΩ Ο ΠΙΛΑΤΟΣ ΤΙ ΕΣΤΙΝ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΤΟ ΕΙΠΩΝ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΞΗΛΘΕΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΙΟΥ- ΔΑΙΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΓΕΙ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ ΕΓΩ ΟΥΔΕΜΙΑΝ ΕΥΡΙΣΚΩ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΩ ΑΙΤΙΑΝ The text translates as: ... a King I am. For this I have been born and (for this) I have come into the world so that I would test ify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears of me my voice." Said to him Pilate, "What is truth?" and this having said, again he went out unto the Jews and said to them, "I find not one fault in him."
@mrmike9286 your boy Howard refers to manuscripts from the 15th Century written by a very biased Jewish guy. 28 manuscripts containing the Gospel of Matthew of Shem Tob are known to have survived until the present time. These manuscripts are dated between the fifteenth and seventeenth centuries. The most significant manuscripts are: Ms. British Museum Library Add. No. 26964, London Ms. Heb. 28, Rijksuniveriteit Library, Leiden, Netherlands Ms. Mich. 119. Bodleian Library, Oxford Ms. Oppenheim Add. 4° 72, Bodleian Library, Oxford Ms. Oppenheim Add. 4° 111, Bodleian Library, Oxford Ms. 2209 (Marx 19), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York Ms. 2234 (Marx 15), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York Ms. 2279 (Marx 18), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York Ms. 2426 (Marx 16), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York Ms Vat.ebr.101, Vatican Library
Exodus 3:14 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” John 8:58 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
There's also a vers, in mark I think where children address Jesus a God and he says they are correct. JWs would just try to explain it. Away with " context ".
@@FantasyVisuals its not your fault. Your Bible and every Bible out there translates the Hebrew text wrong because they dont know. Basic Hebrew grammar.. I will quote exodus 3:14 15 for you properly translated… you will then see there is no I AM. 14 so God said to Moses: “the one who was, the one who is, the one who will become.”. He added: “ this is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘The One who was, the One who is, and the One who will become’, has sent me to you’. “. 15. then God said, once more to Moses: “this is what you are to say, to the Israelites, ‘YeHoVaH, the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name, forever, and how I am to be mentioned from generation from generation.” The definition of gods name is here in basic Hebrew language and grammar. It says not, I am…but He was, He is, He will be…..the summation of this is Ye Ho Vah.. Its called hypocoristicon…not an everyday word but its all over the place in scriptures with peoples names and titles….sentences and definitions compressed into a name. To the Jews they have always known this because its just such basic grammar. They never get into, it because they don’t care for christianity because of the dark ages and not believing he’s the messiah….but the grammar is basic and they know this everytime they read the torah. When they were shown the old mistranslation at ex3:14 in christian Bibles…they busted out laughing.
Philippians 2 is probably my favorite example, but there are others too. Another big one is Hebrews 1:10-12. In that passage, the word "Lord" is used of Christ, even though it's a quotation of Psalm 102:25-27, which is about Jehovah (the Divine Name occurs in the original surrounding context seven times). Another example is 1 Peter 2:3. In that passage, the word "Lord" is used, even though the expression Peter uses comes from Psalm 34:8 which is all about Jehovah. Since their rule includes not only direct quotations, but also "passages, and expressions", you can find several places where they break their rule like that. Hope that helps!
I've noticed that JW will pronounce Jehovah differently depending on the language they preach in. In German it's Yehovah, in Spanish [γ]ehovÁH. I realize every Christian does that with the name of Jesus which is also very important. Yet calling God Jehovah is so essential to JW faith, I'm shocked they wouldn't put effort into one canonical Hebrew pronunciation out of basic respect
@michaelhaigh7258 Linguists have a pretty solid understanding of ancient Hebrew writing and - thanks to poetry and other hints - pronunciation. One could at the very least find a most likely pronunciation and teach it to everyone. You'd maybe be annoyed if foreigners knowingly mispronounced your name, but making an honest effort with some mistakes and an accent, that's a nice gesture. I know that's how I'd feel at least
@@That_one_introvert. If there is one language I'm very confident about pronunciation in, it's gonna be my native German :) But I agree, it's very close to the "original"
@ well yes but so are all letters in the English alphabet J was added to the English language nobody complains about Jesus Jacob etc etc so Jehovah is good translation in our modern English
Acts 4;11This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. 12Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”So why use another name There is no other name given then JESUS =YHWH
Yes….under heaven is the key word….YeHoVaH said to the disciples on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured….” this is my son, the one I dearly love. Listen to him.” As a high Priest who never dies, we approach the father YeHoVaH through Christ’s name. It reminds us of the high priesthood and how the Isrealites had to go to physical Jerusalem and present their offerings through the officiating high priest as required by law. So now, we approach YeHoVaH through the greatest Highpriest with the greatest blood to atone for our sins. If we do not approach YeHoVaH through Christ….are sins are mot attoned for. We die in our sins. There is one mediator between God and man….Christ Jesus. There is no other name given UNDER HEAVEN.
I wonder if god wanted us to call him by his personal name, why he did not care for that it was handed down to us that we can be sure on how to pronounce it correctly
@@That_one_introvert. It doesn't matter if a person reads Hebrew. All that is left of god's alleged name is four consonants- YHWH. There are 46 possible renderings of what vowels were used with those consonants. The ability to read Hebrew is irrelevant.
I am a complete sinner as the rest of every person on this world and I am proud of pronouncing The Name of Elohim as Yahweh!!! His mercy is upon me! Under his Hand my sin is nothing…. I praise Your Name oh Yah’! Hallelu-Yah! 🩵
I am one of JWS i only use the king james version. In psalms 83:18 it plainly says Gods name is Jehovah. King james version is not affiliatee withvthe watctower. FEEL FREE TO CHECK FOR YOURSELF😂
What is the name of The true God The God of Avraham The God of Yitzchak The God of Yaakov The God of Yisrael The God of heaven The God of all the earth The God of the spirit of all flesh The God of all flesh The only God What did he say is his name? What did his prophets said is his name? What did his anointed (mashiach, christ) said is his name? Check the Yehovah started hebrew names and ask yourself again Yehovah Yeho- Yeho-achaz Yeho-adah Yeho-addan Yeho-addin Yeho-ash Yeho-chanan Yeho-nadav Yeho-natan Yeho-ram Yeho-shaphat Yeho-shavat Yeho-sheva Yeho-shua Yeshua. Yoshua Yeho-tzadak Yeho-yada Yeho-yachin Yeho-yakhin Yeho-Yakim Yeho-yariv Yeho-zavad ElYeho-einai Exodus 3:13-15 ASV And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them? [14] And God said unto Moses,I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I AM hath sent me unto you. [15] And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Isaiah 42:8 ASV I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images. 2 Samuel 22:32 ASV For who is God, save Jehovah? And who is a rock, save our God? Deuteronomy 4:35,39 ASV Unto thee it was showed, that thou mightest know that Jehovah he is God; there is none else besides him. [39] Know therefore this day, and lay it to thy heart, that Jehovah he is God in heaven above and upon the earth beneath; there is none else. Deuteronomy 6:4 ASV Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: 1 Samuel 2:2 ASV There is none holy as Jehovah; For there is none besides thee, Neither is there any rock like our God.
So the Hebrews had no written vowels. Do you accept names such as Jerusalem, Judah, Judea, Jericho, Jerimiah, Jephthah, Jehu, Joshua, Jethro, etc.. Nome of these had any written vowels. If God was worried about people using his name in vain why is his name mentioned more than the word God. In the Old Testament there are 4 different words translated as God and together that amount to about 2700 times. The single word for the name of God is mentioned over 6800 times. So Gids name is about 3 times more frequent then the word God. Are you sure them that the Jewish superstition about the third commandment is correct? No it is not . God wanted his name known and what his people to call on the name The best of modern scholarship says that the name YHVH was vocalised as Ye-Ho-VaH. ANd like all name starting with "Y" the latinised translation is to use "J". By the way modern scholarship also say that the vowels of Adonai were not used in forming Jehovah Also do you accept the name Jesus. That is not his name either. In Greek there is no "J"
In the infancy narrative of the Gospel of St. Luke, the NWT translates “Kyriou” as Jehovah multiple times, until Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cries out and calls Mary “mētēr tou Kyriou”. mother of my Lord is how they translate. But who was Kyriou to Elizabeth? Yahweh. Jesus is Yahweh.
@ I’m shocked they leave their Kingdom Interlinear Bible on their website. There are so many scriptures in the Greek that unequivocally call Jesus God that they can’t change them all. They have changed Hebrews chapter 1 online but those old purple Kingdom Interlinears are still floating around unchanged and Hebrews 1 is a JW doctrine killer.
Then who is it that is fulfilling Matthew 24:14: in 240 lands , Jehovah's holy Spirit has guided and blessed this activity throughout the entire inhabited Earth Matthew 7:16 do you know of any other religious organization that is carrying out the good news of the Kingdom? So that all people of tribes nation and tongues can come to the know the truth regarding l God's promises at John 17:3 & John 3 16
The section on where the modern name "Jehovah" comes from is correct in the broad strokes but makes some, to me, rather glaring errors. For example, you seemed to imply that the taboo regarding the divine name predated the masoretes by about 2000 years, or if to be a bit more charitable that it predates something like the leningrad codex by 2000 years. However, that would mean that the taboo predates the composition of nearly all of the tanakh, which I don't think is a widely held position nor one that I think follows from the available evidence.
About the taboo…. by the end of the first century, just before the destruction of the temple, there was a taboo on saying the divine name… I’ve quarter elsewhere on here the tower mode which says a man in front of his brother-in-law, waiting to do the sacrifices, saw the high priest, swallow the name. That means to say, the name under his breath is not public by there there was a taboo beginning on saying it Publicly just beggining. Other traditions or of the rabbis clearly stated not saying the divine in public began at the end of first century but was concealed in secret ceremony and transmitted once every 7 years. with Emperor Hadrian in 250 there was a ban on the name, and they burned a Jew with a Torah, scroll wrapped around him for saying the name publicly. Later on the masora and scribes would translate leaving the vows out, but especially the middle vowel. Apparently they would slip up every now and then. And the mistake was always the same. An O in the middle. 7 times in the Aleppo codex and other times in the Lennongrad Codex. The Hebrewgospel channel lies, and says that the name of the full vowels are not in these manuscripts. Well, maybe you should go to Nehemia Gordon channel and you can let you see it first hand. 7 times so far in the Allepo codex
@mrmike9286 there was a recent book released on the divine name in the 2nd temple period, but I forgot the title. Likely one of the better places to go for info (I think it was one of those shortened doctoral thesis type of books)
@@archivalblob56 thankyou…you speak of Nick posegay….great scholar at cambridge. I also have a great book by one of the foremost scholars in the world about the masoretic tradition and writing techniques. Fairly new…love it.….that one requires some chump change but well well worth it !!….he was Nehemiah’s teacher…..dont think most of these people in here would appreciate it like you and I. But better snatch it up while you can ….these guys wont be around forever. Shalom brother
Full transparency, I am a former witness and I appreciate many of the points you’ve made. As a matter of honesty, I agree with most of your comments. However, you contradicted yourself in the final scripture, (Romans 5:1). Your prior statement said that Jesus is God, but if “every knee should bow to God, in the name of Jesus our Lord”; should it then reads, ‘every knee should bow to Jesus ( who’s God) in the name of Jesus our Lord (God)? What then is the definition of Lord and what is the definition of Christ? In 1 Corinthians 8:5,6) it states that there are “many lords”, so Jesus is distinct in that he is ‘the Christ’, (the Anointed One). As a matter of fact, Parliament representatives in the British government are referred to as lords and are serving in the ‘House of Lords’. So, for full transparency I agree that the Witnesses are deeply flawed in their renderings of many scriptures and are guilty of misrepresenting the scripture for their own convenience and purpose. We agree there, still you must re-examine your conclusion of Christ not without proper context, but not through the lens of the argument made by the Witnesses, rather with the facts of the Bible.
Hi @DRealRevolutionary! Thank you for your thoughtful comment. As a Trinitarian, I believe that the one true God exists in three distinct Persons, revealed to us as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Because they are not all the same Person, there can be verses where the Father and Son are mentioned side-by-side, without denying the Deity of either of them. So to paraphrase Philippians 2:11, I would understand it as saying, "Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is God the Son to the glory of God the Father". I've made several videos in my JW playlist about the Trinity that could probably explain much better than a comment so feel free to check them out!
Which bible is the romans 14 passage photo copied from? I have their 2013 silver sword hard copy, and have checked all their Bibles on their website but there is NO cross reference to phillipians 2:10 anywhere! Have they taken that out as well!
They revise everything when someone points out an error of theirs. Their 1984 version has brackets around the word other in Colossians 1:16 by the way of court order but their 2013 edition doesn't have it , same for Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son so HE does not become angry and you perish in the way, for His wrath will soon be kindled and set aflame. In the new edition they've inserted God for He because you know we must not give any worship or honor to the Son. I'm quite sure there's other examples but that's a couple.
@@rhondahart2416 the 1984 , though not perfect is largely a literal translation from the original language. No translation is error free. That is a fact. The brackets are to let people know that the translation technique of interpolation is at play. It means theirs no direct translation in the target lsnguage for that particular word. So they may have to use two words or three. court order….haha…where do you get this crazy nonsense. …..unfortunately, a person can lie and make a translation anyway they want. No law against religious convictions….thats a double edged sword. if that were true, ever translation of the Bible, at John 1:1 that says Jesus, isGod should be thrown in jail. But being stupid is not against the law….so they can mistranslate and lie until the cows come home
@@mrmike9286 The trouble with your perspective Mike is it's being directly fed to you by a small group of men that tell you that the only place you can find your answers to anything is from them. That's called high control. I would tell you to look up the court order thing but you can't and won't so I won't waste my time.
Yes your correct that greek doesnt use a J…however we must remember English comes from Spanish and latin….where originally the J was soft. Its still soft in Spanish. Latin changed in time….Jerome used an I which in phonology sounds very close to the yodי syllable with a consonant…like saying Yeah ( yes) in English. YeHoVaH….YHWH…is from the Aramaic Land of Isreal system…theres two others systems but the Tiberian System, since ancient times , is considered the most reliable by scholars in Isreal and Cambridge. The sephartic never truelly had a consistant system because greek and Aramaic influences…various tribal inconsistancy…many converted to the Tiberian because of its consistancy ….the term YahWey is not even in the Ball Park and cannot be found in any ancient manuscripts accept in pagan literature…Nehemiah Gordons stuff
EXODUS 6:2&3; And GOD went on to speak to Moses and to say to him " I am Jehovah (Yahweh for Jews) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacop as God Almighty, but as respects my NAME JEHOVAH I did not make myself known to them.
So tell me, WHO's the LIAR.....???? Jehovah.....???? Moses.....???? Or the Jews....???? I'm going to say the Jews that changed the original scriptures..... And I believe they changed it to KEEP Jehovah's name from the gentiles......!!!!
First, let me say I understand why you would think that. So sincerely, what happening her? . There was much debate because of lack of Hebrew understanding in sentence structure.and grammar. It actually in Hebrew is a rhetorical Question. Tons of the grammar in the old testament, Hebrew could be translated as Rhetorical questions. And right there is a perfect example. I’ll share an accurate translation of that verse. Almost no Bible translates it correctly. There is a female Hebrew scribe in modern day Israel, who is a master at this type of translation. She’s rare because she’s female. But she’s an extremely talented linguist with deep insight. I heard a good interview with her, and what she said shed some real insight into the language translation process of Hebrew. So, without further talking, let me translate it for you. Ex 6:2,3 Then God said to Moses: “I am Yehovah. I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God, Almighty, and with regard to my name, Yehovah; did I not make myself known to them? I mean, we can also deduced by the context in Genesis when Abraham was speaking to the three angelic messengers. He referred to them as Yehovah, …he knew the name. so sometimes translation errors take time to clear up. It requires patience on our part. Sometimes we don’t have an explanation and this is where we actually can grow and learn. There actually is in Hebrew, tradition,,that when there appears to be a contradiction, that’s when the real insights come into God‘s word….. synthesis. A new understanding can emerge, and it’s actually an opportunity. Of course, these days Some will say “see the Bible contradicts itself! “And they storm off doing whatever they want to do. But those who are slightly more sly and perceptive know this isn’t true…. Real knowledge is too high for fools. Anyway, I hope that’s helpful.
I used to study with JWs and I questioned them on the origin of the name Jehovah. Even citing that the letter J wasn’t invented at the time of the biblical writers. They reference the tetragram yhwh at very the beginning of their bible but it’s not mentioned no where else. All my research has brought me to - the name Jehovah was a mistranslation of the tetragram. I’m not going to be adamant on using a name that idk is even a real name.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 thanks for the info. I’ll be sure to look more into what you have given here. Whenever I’ve asked this to JWs they have told me Jehovah is the English pronunciation and Yahweh was the Hebrew pronunciation. In my mind those don’t marry up. And if the God of Bible introduces himself as Yahweh why change that name to something else. Names have meaning and it is extremely clear in the Bible that names mean something and they symbolize a person’s/entity’s nature. There are hard to pronounce regions in the Bible that are intact why tell someone you’re using an “English translation” of the name of God if the original names of places can be used. And also not openly recognize the other “translated names” to be equal to the name Jehovah. They literally teach that’s the only name that should be used.
Neither were just about any letters of the latin alphabet…or just a few. what are we gonna do ? not write anything because it didn’t appear at that time?
Great historical breakdown. But wouldnt you say it would be hyprocritical to judge the use of the name Jehovah and yet most individuals use Jesus despite that not being his real name? Goes both ways. Yahweh vs Jehovah, Yeshua vs Jesus
@mattwest7413 That's a great point! The difference is, we don't insist that "Jesus" is the eternal, unchangeable, non-negotiable name that you have to verbally use to refer to the Messiah. While that's the most popular anglicized name, I wouldn't object if someone wanted to use the Aramaic equivalent.
@theologywithseth that's an interesting point. I have been a JW for 30+ years but realized the legalism and Jesus as non mediator being grave mistakes on their part. My biggest doctrinal struggle is the deity of Christ. Even non JWs debate about Greek interpretations of John 1:1 and beyond. Any good resources that seal the deal in terms of explaining the Trinity indepth?
@mattwest7413 That's great! I'm thrilled you made it out of the Watchtower. I actually have a whole playlist on my channel dedicated to JW-related topics and a lot of them deal with the Deity of Christ. But just to recommend one video in particular that many people seemed to like, I would encourage you to check out this one below. Let me know if you have any follow-up questions! ruclips.net/video/Zd-cIcO-sFc/видео.html
Jesus is our example. He taught us to pray to: "Our Father." (See Mt 6:9) Jesus, the Son, called his God and Father, “Abba, Father", (Poppa, Daddy) Mark 14:36. Jesus told his disciples: "You will be witnesses of ME" Not "Jehovah's Witnesses." He said that his followers have only ONE LEADER the Christ. JW's teach the commands of men, not God. "Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.'" Isa 29:13. Today "Human Rules" also wrongly teach that Jesus Is God. Jesus did not ask himself to deliver himself! But rather Jesus, face down in the dirt, begged his Father to "Remove this cup" then added "But not my will but yours." Jesus is not God Almighty. In fact, Jesus now sits in heaven at God's right hand awaiting the day when God puts Jesus' enemies beneath his feet! Finally God's Son, the second Adam, although wounded in the heel, will Crush the head of Satan and all of his followers. Gen 3:15, 1 Corinthians 15:45-49, Eph 1:20
@@rhondahart2416 "Explain" OK> LORD simply means Master or Owner. I am a land LORD myself. Christ is also a LORD because he bought us with his blood. The Almighty is LORD because He is from the beginning, owning everything. Rebekah said “Drink, my LORD,” to a servant of Abraham. Gen 24:18 Hebrew LORD = (אֲדֹנִ֑י (’ă·ḏō·nî))
Remember that neither God nor Jesus ever spoke English. The "J" in Jehovah (and Jesus) didn't even exist until the middle ages as it was the last of our English letters to appear. Either way, knowing an exact pronunciation is nothing compared to knowing and DOING His will!
How DARE YOU question what the watchtower teaches. After all they have always only been the only church under the direct communication of God and have never been wrong in spite of doing 180s on their doctrine,and in spite of numerous false end time predictions .
The LORD GOD speaks in the plural for a specific purpose. Genesis 1:26 states, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness". In this verse God is referring to Himself along with God his Son and Holy Spirit, when He says "us" and "our". God is not referring to angels here because angels are created beings, not creator. The Bible teaches that God is the only creator, and that he created everything that exists: John 1:3: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made". Romans 1:20: "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made". Isaiah 45:18: "I am the Lord; and there is none else". The Bible's opening verse: Communicates that God is the creator of the heavens and earth. "There is no other God except me" appears in the Bible in Isaiah 45:21. The Holy Trinity is Yahweh. The name of the triune God is YHWH , there is no other. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "Jesus" is the name of God revealed in the New Testament. Jesus name means: YHWH saves.
Another unbelievable thing the watch tower misses is the God's name YHWH is contained in the hebrew name of Jesus, (Yehoshua), where the prefix "Yeho" represents the divine name YHWH.
So watchtower uses the name 7,212 times in their Bible but somehow is unaware Jesus name being Joshua in English does not contain the name Jehovah…..??…you think Eli-JAH is unaware too?JAH….? Nowhatever could JAH stand for?
The Bible says that the word of God should not be changed: Warnings against adding or taking away The Bible includes several passages that warn against changing the words of God, such as Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19. God's message is unchanging The Bible says that God's message has not changed since the beginning of time. God's word is eternal The Bible includes passages that say that God's word is eternal, such as Psalm 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, and Matthew 24:35. “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)
@BasicBiblicalTruth It's good to respect the God divine name. In the Old Testament, people eventually came to believe that mispronouncing the name of God was the same as taking the Lord's name in vain. This led to them stopping pronouncing the name of God altogether, and instead using more generic terms for God. The New Testament (NT) doesn't use God's personal name because it's written in Greek, and the name Yahweh is Hebrew. In the Old Testament, Yahweh is translated as "Lord" in English because of a Jewish tradition of avoiding God's name. When the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew to Greek, the translators used the Greek word kurios, which also means "lord", to translate both Yahweh and adonai. However, the NT does use the term "God" to refer to the divine nature, and there are several instances where Jesus is explicitly called God. For example, Jesus took the divine name "I AM" for himself, and he said that the way to the Father is through him.
It also says ye shall Noteth spaketh in stupidith oldeth Englishith…for it wenteth by and by in Hebrew , Aramaic, and Greek……ye shall noteth disregardeth mine art sanctimonious nameth which appeareth by n by nearly 7,216 times!!… Jeez. How dark aged and dimmed down race to the bottom with an archaic language ……where art thou Romeo
@@BasicBiblicalTruth…..and they got it right…and you got it wrong….Mr trinitarian And……..at least on the name…..but not other matters…they are in grave error in other matters
You need intelligence to understand the Biblical manuscripts (mss), but you don't need that many to see that the tetragrammaton (the divine name) isn't found in a single Greek NT ms. Yet, JWs don't seem to even have basic intelligence. Either we believe we can trust the NT mss or we accept that the mss have been deliberately corrupted (e.g., the tetragrammaton was originally in the NT) and we can't trust them. This is basic. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
For anyone who believes Jesus is the New Testament version of Adoni from the old testament, you have to admit that is the most extreme Jekyll and Hyde ever written. So I am to believe when”Jesus “ is in God form, he’s this jealous, murderous plague giving, not omnipotent being, yet when he’s a man, he’s this loving, all forgiving humble and self sacrificing human? Not buying it
EL in hebrew is GOD singular ELOHIM is GODS plural So EL and ELOHIM is not the personal name of god is only a TITLE. the name of god is YHWH found in the manuscript’s almost 7000 times and the pronounsationnis YEHOVAH , why? you can found the proper name of god in Jesus name, in Hebrew jesus name is YEHOSHUA meaning YEHOVAH is SALVATION
The vowels of Adoni are Chatef Patach, Cholem, Qamets (A O A) The vowels we actually find in the manuscripts that contain full vowel pointing in the tettragrammaton is Sheva, Cholem, Qamets (E O A) Look into the data provided by Nehemia Gordon, because it blows a lot of the mindlessly parroted consensus out of the water. He also provides corroborating data from Rabbinical sources, and then shows where Wilhelm Gesenius got "Yahweh" from. Encyclopaedia Britannica gets it wrong here unfortunately. That Adoni vowels were inserted into YHWH remains a western scholarly conjecture not supported by Jewish sources
The problem with the name Jehovah is that you’re not saying it. The Biblia of Hebrecia. Stuttgart… The authors Gesenius.. Source for the name Yahweh is Theodore of siring. Fourth of the century he got it from the Samaritans, who never use God’s name, but had a temple set up to start from being attacked by killer lines. The name on the temple said anonymous. That is until Epiphanies put the god Jupiter, and they readily accepted it because they were not really Jews but transported by the Syrians. Translate it into English it’s Jupiter. That’s where the name Yahweh comes from. Congratulations! You’re worshiping Jupiter. Theodore didn’t realize that. in fact, in the antiquities of the Jews, you can see the letter they wrote… They did not use the divine name because actually, that was the law it was only to be called in Jerusalem. But about ancient Hebrew grammar, the most accurate Kodex, for Hebrew is the Aleppo. It was written I am master scribe in 924CE in the area of Tiberius records. Confirm original Hebrew was still being spoken not the Aramac influence Hebrew. It is a very solid very accurate. Almost every free translation. A basic rule in ancient Hebrew grammar is, you cannot have a consonant in the middle of a word. It must have a vowel associated with it. Exception to that rule is a consonant that ends a syllable. In this case a silent-Shva is used. Ie Asahel The first ‘hay’(H) does not have a vowel!… According to the Talmud an oral tradition in the fourth century, they try to change the word le-olam forever… From exo 3: 15. That’s because it was the secret of the vowels concealed in that word. Thought it was secret has been found in many ancient documents, which say it was not lost, but was hidden. So the Talmud in the fourth century says let’s change the vowels to le(ha-)alim “ to conceal”. Did you get that? To conceal. They were hiding gods name by hiding the vowels… Especially the middle Vowel komatz. .. in the Talmud, which is the oral law from the first century, before Rome destroyed the temple. It’s written by Rabbi tarfon. he overheard the priestly blessing which is outlined in the law to bless people using Gods name….. ” I want to send it the platform after my mothers brother, and inclined my ear to the high priest, and heard him swallowing the name during the chanting of his priests” Babylonian, Talmud kidishin 71a Sonono trans…compare the Jerusalem, Talmud Yoma 3:7 40d. The kidishin on page 71 a says “ sages transmit the four letter name to their disciples once in a seven year period. It’s pretty obvious they are hiding the name. But if we simply follow that rule above that I showed you for ancient Hebrew grammar. It’s logical when you see the names Yeho Shua..YeHoVaH saves. Yeho-achaz…. then they also use the back part of the name even today and names like Nyeton yahoo… they are contractions of Gods, holy name…. which, according to traditional ancient Hebrew grammar, must have a vowel and fits perfectly with the names that insert the O in English. And we’re obviously spoken and come in every day usage in the Times of Israel.… how do we know? Well, an exodus 315 it actually does not say “This is the memorial of me “or the memory… Like a funeral… But “the mention of me…” Something that is living and ongoing. Also, they found the Lachish letters of the Babylonian invasion… The Hebrew general his letter was found… In it, they found the contraction of gods name contained in the contraction. It’s part of the expression found often in the Bible, as” as Jehovah lives.” Lives is “chay” ( pronounced like high)…chay-HO-VaH….as YeHoVaH. Besides, these things, there are over 1000 manuscripts now found that have the full vowels E O A shva cholam kamatz. Besides, the personal letters that were never transcribed in the dark ages between rabbis making reference to the three vowels and being very careful to conceal it. It makes complete sense, whereas the evidence you’re providing in the video contradicts everything that’s been found. I’ll admit if nobody’s told you this, of course, you may think Yahweh is correct. But as I said, you can read the antiquities of the Jews, and see what the situation was in the letter that the Samaritans wrote to Epiphanius. The Samaritans never had a name on their temple, because this was according to the law… But afterwards they started calling their God by the name, yupiter or father Jupiter
Messiah Yahushua ain't never, claimed to be his and my father Ahaya asher Ahaya YaHuWaH Tsavuot Most High, in the flesh. There are so many false doctrines, false prophets and false apostles with their false teachings. Messiah Yahushua himself didn't even want to be called "tov" or good. He himself called out, cried out to his maker, his creator for his own deliverance. Mark 15:34 KJV - "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Revelation 3:12 KJV - "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
One criticism: Philippians 2:11 is _NOT_ a quotation from the Old Testament. Therefore you can't cite their use of Lord in that verse as breaking the rule about using the Jehovah when the NT quotes from an OT text that uses it.
Yes, it is. Isaiah 45:23 says, “By myself I have sworn; The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return: *To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty”* (NWT). The NWT obscures the connection with Philippians 2 with their word choice in translation but let’s look at the Greek LXX. Pay attention to the highlighted part, ἐμοὶ *κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ καὶ ἐξομολογήσεται πᾶσα γλῶσσα* τῷ θεῷ. Paul cites this verse in the Carman Christi of Philippians 2 in vv. 10-11 saying, “so that in the name of Jesus *every knee should bend* -of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, *and every tongue should openly acknowledge* that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” The highlighted part in Greek says, παν γονυ καμψη...καὶ πᾶσα γλῶσσα ἐξομολογήσηται. Paul began by stating in v. 9 that Jesus has "the name that is above every name." This is not “Jesus” as the name was very common, nor is it YHWH (Jehovah) which he already possessed (Isa 6:3, 5; cf. John 12:41). Rather, Jesus is given a name in terms of public acclaim, echoing the name Jehovah made for himself after delivering Israel from Egypt (Neh 9:10). Paul proceeds to cite a Jehovah passage from Isaiah 45:23 (evident in Greek) where Jehovah declares that every knee will bow to him and every tongue confess. However, Paul attributes this to Jesus and proclaims that every person will declare that Jesus is κυριος, thereby equating Jesus with θεος in Isaiah 45:23-calling him Jehovah. Willingly or unwillingly, every creature in the universe will acknowledge the Lordship of Jesus. “Paul’s LXX citation (Isa 45:23) reflects the familiar OT theme, that at the consummation of the age all creatures will bow down and worship Yahweh…the link in our text between Jesus as κύριος and OT YHWH can hardly be disputed”[1] but this is exactly what JW’s do, not because they are faithful to the text, but because their theology demands it. [1] Andreas J Köstenberger, Philippians : Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament (Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2015).
citations : ******* rs p. 196 § 1 Jéhovah ******* Bible Segond (révisée): Bien qu’elle utilise le terme l’Éternel pour désigner Dieu, on trouve cette précision dans le glossaire (à “ÉTERNEL”): “Ce titre rend le mot hébreu qui est traduit, selon les versions, par: Le Seigneur, Yahvé, ou même par Jéhovah. À partir d’une certaine époque, antérieure à l’ère chrétienne, ce nom n’a plus été prononcé, à cause du grand respect dont on entourait la personne de Dieu. À la place, les Israélites lisaient Adonaï (le Seigneur). Les voyelles de ce mot ont été combinées aux quatre consonnes (YHWH) du nom de l’Éternel, ce qui a donné ***la lecture, fautive, Jéhovah*** . (...) La prononciation Yahvé, proposée dans des versions récentes, repose sur quelques témoignages anciens qui ne sont pas décisifs: on pourrait tout aussi bien reconstituer la prononciation en Yaho ou Yahou.”*******
I just did a couple of quick searches on Bible Gateway. Jehovah is found seven times in the King James Bible. In the American Standard Version Jehovah is found, get this, five thousand eight hundred fifty one(5851) times! 😲 There is a one hundred year+ old ASV Bible sitting on one of my book shelves collecting dust because I've tried to read it but just can't. Mainly because of all the times that Jehovah is used. It just seems to rub my spirit the wrong way. I pretty much stick to the KJB.
Why not use the LSB? It uses the name Yahweh nearly 7000 times. It's just not found in places where the Hebrew or Greek text doesn't have the divine name.
Greetings Seth, I appreciate your effort however, "Yahweh" is also a modern expression of the YHVH. The letter "W" was introduced in the 19th Century. Incidently; the letter "w" was invented by the French scholars. We cannot say "...most likely..." - This is not conclusive but speculative HalleluYah cannot become Jehovah or Yahweh because it is linguistically dishonest and of man tampering with the YHVH. In the Hebrew language the "V" merely becomes a transponder for the vowel sound of the next consonant...As an example; consider Benjamin NathanYaho's name "NathanYaho(u)...Consider Elijah (EliYaho), Isaiah (YashaYaho), Jeremiah (YirmeYaho), Nehemiah (NechemYaho) and many other Hebrew names🛐🕎📜📖🐑
In the 1st century, Jeh would have been known as a Persian demon. And Hovah meant destruction or mischief in Hebrew. If someone said their god was Jeh-Hovah to a Hebrew, they may have been stoned. Demon goddess of mischief.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I know the full history of the name. Jehovah was invented in the 16th century. The most accurate pronunciation is Yahweh. The point I made above stands.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Interesting your name has 1914 in it. Are you aware that according to the Bible, Jerusalem fell in 587 BC, not 607BC. The date is off by 20 years.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yes. I am aware of that belief. I am saying it is wrong. The calculation conflicts with the Bible. It conflicts with secular history. King Darius came to rule in 22BC. Now read the first chapter of Zechariah and see if your belief fits?
@ 2 nd year and 6 months of Darius puts it at 518-519 BC. Zachariah states in the same chapter that the 70 years isn’t finished. Impossible to get to 607BC adding 70 years to 518-519 BC when the 70 years hasn’t yet concluded.
The name of The True Almighty God is Yehovah/Jehovah. Everyone who belief otherwise, had been deceived by The Devil. Period. YHWH with the correct vowels is Yehovah, and NOT Yahweh.
I heard Jehova was actually a false god entity and I've heard of peoples lives getting better after they stopped praying to Jehova. Not sure how true this is though.
Funny, you are not even sure. You have a lot of Bible translations and versions as your reference. Forget the NWT if you don’t trust it. Use Bible Hub instead and you will be surprised to know the truth. Yes you can just deny it but you cannot remove it from the truth. Truth will set you free right?
Jehovah's Witnesses foolishly and pharisaically treat the use of the world "Jehovah" as a magic talisman. The word "Jehovah" has no more power than the word "God" or "Lord". Neither determine how close one can get with God. How close one can get with God is determined by knowing his personality and character through studying the Bible - not from knowing and using a particular word. Secondly, since the actual Hebrew name of God describes his character. Then really, knowing God's name is actually about knowing his character. Thus every student of the Bible who learns that God is the grand Creator and Purposer whose will cannot be thwarted, actually knows God's name - whether or not they use the word "Jehovah"; whether or not they call him "LORD". The utter, shallow idiocy of JW theology!
It's what Jehovah means that's important . They openly admit its not his actual name. They are just using the English form name for him. Every language has a different pronunciation. Are you going to do a video on how each language says it wrong next. Shall we just call God Jesus like you potato heads do, even though the bible is crystal clear that God and Jesus are separate entities and separate beings. Many bible translations have Jehovah in the Greek scriptures not just the new world translation. I'm not a Jw by any stretch of the imagination but their understanding is far better and makes much more sense than the ridiculous teaching of the trinity! Please do a video on how trinitiarians have been involved in hundreds of wars than try and find one war with jehovahs witness in? You're friendly non religious deist! 😊
No, the Jewish scribes knew Almighty God's name...out of respect for Exodus 3: 15. ' This is my name forever.' God himself had made his name known...read Exodus! Exodus 3: 15, does have the full vowels of Yehovah, in the ancient manuscripts, Dr Gordon, has scrutinized. I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter. Nehemia states that every spoken language contains vowels, so they knew the oral pronunciation , and the vowels ..he's come across are Hebrew vowels, in numerous ancient Hebrew manuscripts, and these provide us with the centuries old name which in English is Jehovah. Centuries of history have documented this name ....with the weighty evidence on minted coins, artifacts and architecture.
Hey, Seth, I think we need to be fair with JWs regarding the pronunciation of the divine name. I think "Jehovah" is an acceptable pronunciation of the divine name. The main issues are 1) their insertion of the divine name in BOTH the OT and NT in places where the tetragrammaton isn't found. Yes, the NWT has inserted the divine name even in the OT where the tetragrammaton isn't found. 2) they inconsistently insert the divine name into the NT, as you said, imposing their own theology onto the text rather than letting their theology being informed by the text. 3) If the divine name was originally in the NT, then there is absolutely no reason to trust the NT, as you said. JWs want to have their cake and eat it too, claiming the NT is accurate by appealing to the multiplicity of NT mss while, at the same time, claiming the NT mss have been deliberately corrupted by scribes, who removed the divine name. In north Africa the church almost had a riot because Jerome changed the word of the plant in Jonah 4:6 word gourd to ivy in his Latin translation. If Christians got this upset over something so little because they felt that Jerome was changing the Word of God, how much more issue would Christians take to removing the divine name?! There is no evidence that the divine name has been removed from the NT, so to claim it has been removed is to claim we cannot trust the NT mss, thus we have no idea what the NT originally said. 4) Finally, Nowhere in NT are we instructed to pray using the divine name, rather we are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus and to Jesus himself in his own name. These are the real problems with the name Jehovah.
Obviously, you're an idiot. Psalm 40:6 says "ear" not "body." Heb 10:5 says "body" not "ear." Now, you clearly are not smart enough to comprehend this very basic point, or you are just simply dishonest. "Ear" is not the same word for "body" in either Hebrew or Greek. The LXX uses the word ὠτία, which means-you guessed it-ear! Second, the Syriac Sinaitic does NOT have the divine name. This is another lie. (See THE TETRAGRAMMATON and the CHRISTIAN GREEK SCRIPTURES, p. 127) All you do from the moment you post is lie.
Lies upon lies. Everything that comes from you is full of lies. Thanks for showing that JWs are children of the Devil. The Old Syriac Curetonian Gospels says in Mat 3:3: ܗܢܘ ܓܝܪ ܕܟܬܝܒ ܥܠܘܗܝ ܒܐܫܥܝܐ ܢܒܝܐ ܕܐܡܪ ܗܘܐ ܩܠܐ ܕܩܪܐ ܒܡܕܒܪܐ ܛܝܒܘ ܐܘܪܚܐ ܠܡܪܝܐ ܘܬܪܘܨܘ ܫܒ̈ܝܠܘܗܝ ܕܐܠܗ Here, it uses the word ܠܡܪܝܐ, which means “Lord/master.” YHWH is not found in Mat 3:3. Again, I don’t know if you’re just a perpetual liar or if you can’t help it because you’re anidiot with no education. I assume your ignorance and lack of education doesn’t help the situation.
My friend, finding manuscripts with Gods name would make no sense?!….what twisted reasoning. It would lead to the elephant in the room..God is not a trinity. Making perfect sense. Half of the old testament is quoted in the new. Its unthinkable that Jewish Christians of the first century did not use Gods name. They didnt need to use a septuagint in Isreal because they read and wrote Hebrew and Aramaic in everyday life. The dead sea scrolls near the time of christ demonstrates the name throughout as well as Hebrew manuscripts and even a few Greek with the Hebrew name YeHoVaH in it in some Greek texts of the gospels See Nehemiah Gordon……with your own eyes. In fact in Hebrew Matthew, it appears more times than the new world translation has it inserted. So in fact they didnt insert it enough! That being said, about Gods name…..on the other hand the NWT does engage in deceptive slight of hand on other issues…….very deceptive….about the 144,000 doctrine and other sheep and a faithful and discreet slave….definitely they manipulate their bibles and in Matthew chapter 24….separating verses that are not separated in the original greek to deceptively convince people of the false 1914 doctrine
@@BasicBiblicalTruth of course, there are some of them have it with the full towels in Greek it’s just not in every spot. besides, the gospels were not written in Greek, but we’re translated from Hebrew to Greek we know because the way it comes out in Greek is kind of weird. Papiat 60-130 ce …(Eusubius)he knew John and many of the other other 1st century disciples. John told them to translate into Greek implying, do the best you can .apparently it was not easy. This is born out today. When we translate it back into Hebrew it can easily see that they were originally intending in the greek. Greater than that Hebrew copies have showed up at the Vatican in the trash bin also, in certain rabbis, who engaged in disputes with the Catholic Christians, hardcopies in Hebrew with Matthew and Gods name, is there throughout with the full vowels….george Howsrds Matthew gospel. Has proven to be an original manuscript that does not come from the Greek. Because it contains details and explanations that the Greek manuscripts leave out… It fills in details such as at Matthew chapter 23 verse says ‘do what they tell you to do( Pharisees do), but don’t do they do as they do’ ,,not what it originally said, it just got mixed up because it was in Hebrew to Greek, and they couldn’t translate well from Hebrew. Originally it said, “do all the things they tell you to do, but do not do according to their reforms”…..now it makes sense…… and God’s name, Yehovah is throughout the gospel, even more than the New World translation ….it has the full vowels. I know that rains on the trinitarian theology but hey….love truth. Do not become confused and think the JWs are right about all the other stuff cause their not. Many of them are nice people. But the leadership is pure 💩 crap
@@BasicBiblicalTruth in fact Nehemiah Gordon just dropped a clip a week ago of new testamentt in greek where they found the name with full vowels.""was not planning to mention it here but i remember just seeing it two days ago.admittedly not much in Greek but they are definitely out there….i have seen them over the years…not many
Where is that screenshot of Romans 14:11 from? I have the old and new JW Bible and the reference scriptures don't match up. Neither does the page number at the top left. Where is that from exactly? Thanks.
It is annoying when so-called experts use Jehovah. More importantly, Biblical Hebrew uses a waw (W), whereas modern Hebrew uses a vav (V). Also, the vowel O is not found in YHWH until the knuckleheads put the vowels for Adonai on YHWH.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You can quote all sorts of knuckleheads who will try to legitimize their butchery of YHWH. Tyndale translated the MT with the diacritic markings of Adonai, which is accepted by a majority of scholars.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Are you insane? Do you see an O or V in YHWH (יְהוָה)? -Medieval scribes known as Masoretes are responsible for the vowel markings (or points) found in the manuscripts used for most modern printed copies of the Hebrew Bible. The tetragrammaton is typically marked in Masoretic Hebrew manuscripts as yhwh-a form that seems as if it should be pronounced “yehovah” or “jehovah.” However, the “pronunciation is grammatically impossible” in the Hebrew (Hirsch, “Jehovah,” 7:87). The written form yhwh is an example of a qere and kethiv, where the vowels indicate a reading that differs from what is written (Kelley, Mynatt, and Crawford, Masorah, 41). With yhwh, the vowel markings for אֲדֹנָי (adonay, “Lord”) have been placed under the consonants of the divine name yhwh to signal the reader to say adonai wherever yhwh appeared in the text. Douglas Mangum, “Jehovah,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 That's funny, surely you KNOW that I have the MAJORITY of scholarship on my side. [יהוה] yhwh, n.p., Yahweh. 6,828× Root: יהוה. Cognates: אֲבִי; אֲבִיָּה; אֲבִיָּ֫הוּ; אֲדֹנִיָּה; אֲדֹנִיָּ֫הוּ … The Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2017).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You are clearly in denial. I have shown you in the Biblical Hebrew that the name of MY God is YHWH. The waw (W) was changed to vav (V) only recently. At the time of the Scriptures, the only V sound in Hebrew was a soft bet (ב), which is OBVIOUSLY missing from the tetragrammaton. Cognitive dissonance can be overcome.
Really…than why did Jesus tell Satan at Matt 4: its YeHoVaH your God you must worship and him alone you must render sacred service. ….alone….interesting phrase……means no other… not Jesus
YeHoVaH : Found with vowel notations on 1000s of manuscripts in over a decade of work by renowned scholar Nehemia Gordon and his team, proves the origin is not some 14th century monk! YeHoVaH: has clear and biblically aligned meaning of He was, He is, He will be. YeHoVaH: when shortened using Hebrew rules is Yah. (Yahweh would be yeh) YeHoVaH: the name within the name of the messiah! Yehoshua (Yeshua) meaning YeHoVaH saves. Yahweh: no manuscript evidence = doctrine of men Praise YeHoVaH the Father,the only true God. Anything else is idolatry “Little children guard yourself from idols”
Nehemiah Gordon's claims are false. For the Yehovah pronunciation to be correct, one would expect to see the consonantal form written as יהווה, but no such a form has ever been found - including in the Dead Sea Scrolls. As for the pointed text, we know the Masoretes applied the wrong vowels, thus forming the hybrid Yehowah, so that the divine name wouldn't be spoken. Even so, if one were to assume against the evidence that the Masoretes changed the consonantal form to יהוה, then for the Yehovah pronunciation to be preserve the consonantal 'v', the pointed form would have to be written as יְהֹוָה instead of יְהוָֹה. In the Septuagint, יהוה (Yhvh) is transliterated as Ἰαβέ by both Theodoret and Epiphanius, pointing us to the correct pronunciation, which favours יַהְוֶךְ (Yahweh). Gordon's thesis has been rejected far and wide. You can find rebuttals at Associates for Biblical Research and others. The Christian Apologetics Research Ministry (CARM) has also done a rebuttal of Gordon's claims about uncovering the original text of Matthew’s Gospel in Hebrew. The only Hebrew manuscripts Gordon has found are medieval _translations_ from over 1,000 years after the New Testament was written.
I just wish Jehovah's Witnesses would realize that if The Watchtower was misleading them on something as basic as the Name of God, then they surely must be misleading them on a great many other issues as well. Great video!
Same! Thanks for watching
One issue I immediately see in their videos of Biblical times is that everyone wears spotless, new looking clothing, including the digital characters. The reality is people probably stank (they didn't wash much 400 years ago, never mind 2000 years!), smelt of the animals many lived with and wore all kinds of shifts, sheepskin and other. Reality is absent as it is in the doctrines and such. 😮 😢
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The term "Jeho" in names like Jehoshua and Jehoshaphat is not derived from "Jehovah" but rather from the Hebrew YHWH, the original Tetragrammaton. The word "Jehovah" is a much later construct that did not exist during the time these names were used. Therefore, while these names reflect devotion to the God of the Bible, the claim that "Jeho" directly references "Jehovah" is anachronistic and linguistically inaccurate.
Problem with JW is they belive they are " in the truth" and rest of us we are just blinded by devil and we try to trick them. They don't see this as truth. They see this as attempt of Satan's deceptions that want to pull them away from "the truth".
@Mr.DC3.1914 The names Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Isaiah, Zechariah all include the name of God in the form of the tettragramaton, YH at the end of the names.
Thank you Seth. This really helped. Along with your other video about the cross. Recently, after seeing me wearing a cross, my father who is a JW sent me this message “Your actions in distancing yourself from the Truth by actively pursuing a form of worship directly contrary to the Truth - ignoring our Creator Jehovah God and blatantly adopting an image, the cross, which you must know is abhorrent to our beliefs means that we have no choice sadly but to also distance ourselves from you, out of loyalty to our Creator Jehovah.”
Both he and my mum have been hot and cold with me for a while since I faded out of the religion. I recently found the true Jesus so I feel at peace with this. But also sad.
More like loyalty to the corporate suit wearers in NY. 😮
All the best with your parents 🎉
Just know it was them who chose to distance themselves from you. Stay firm in your beliefs as they are firm in theirs, only difference is that your love for the true Christ doesn’t force you to push away your parents, they are the ones pushing you away and that should tell you what kind of God they are following
@@michellebernal5668 thank you so much for your kind words. It means a lot.
Be strong. We all went through this. You will be fine. There is no love in this printing and publishing company cum real estate empire disguised as a religion called Watchtower. To shun your own child shows no love.
Have they never heard of the patibulum - the cross piece that was nailed to the stauros. Tell them to look it up on Google. Do they really think that historians are out to upset Just the Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Thanks!
I truly appreciate that! Thank you for watching
As a former lifelong JW, I congratulate you, @Theology With Seth, on another excellent expose of Watchtower theology. The Watchtower Bible Translation Committee admitted in print that Jehovah is not really God's name, writing "While inclining to view the pronunciation 'Yahweh' as the more correct way, we have retained the form 'Jehovah' because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century." ~ New World Bible Translation Committee (The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, page 23.) Keep up the good work, Seth!
Thanks so much, Roger! Your insightful comments are always much appreciated
@@theologywithsethnot wrong in English
Great and blessed research. Thank you for making such a difficult topic quite clear. That's real heavy lifting and I pray that this video is widely viewed, as it's the best breakdown I have ever seen. God bless.
I truly appreciate that! Thank you and God bless you as well
Just found your channel today, really enjoy your uploads and break downs on scripture. Wishing you and your loved ones a blessed rest of the year and very merry Christmas.
Thank you so much! Merry Christmas to you as well
Another excellent video! Very well explained and laid out so even I can understand it. It's too bad the Watchtower doesn't get it.
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed it. And yes, we'll definitely need to be in prayer for JW's who may come across the video too
I love all your videos
I did my own personal research , and found out from a Hebrew Jewish/ Bible Scholar, that the vowels of adonai, are not the vowels used in Yehovah. ..The name that many Jews don't want Gentiles using.
Exodus 3: 15:" This is my name forever" was handed down orally." Every spoken language contains vowels, and the earliest preserved writings we have.. provide us with the evidence...not forgetting the centuries if minted coins which bear the divine name in English, along with the wealth of archaeological evidence...it's too weighty to ignore!
All i have to say is thank you beyond word. Greatly appreciate it. Keep bringing truth to light regardless. I have been in this religion all my life. I got baptized in 2019. My spiritual mother woke me up because she no longer believe anymore eben though im still in
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! I'll be in prayer for you and your whole family
@theologywithseth Thank you. Greatly appreciate it. Please do so. Hope you have a good day today. I know it's a higher being up there. It's not Jehovah though
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
Never forget Jesus' words: "Salvation originates with the Jews. "
The true worshippers would be worshipping the Father, for the Father is looking for ones to worship him."
I'm an ex trinitarian , because of a discarded Bible , when I saw Psalm 83: 18 ...my eyes opened up to the one true God whom Jesus worshipped. It happened to be an old King James Bible.
The New Divine Name King James Bible has restored Almighty God's name ..JEHOVAH to 6973 places and, JAH, in 50 places, to the UNREVISED text of the Authorized King James Version
Praised be the god and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. - 2 Corinthians 1: 3.
Yes I love this. Jw’s act like that’s the only way. It’s actually a keyword in freemasonary. You’re right every breath is God’s name
Amen! Thank you for watching
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yehovah is in the Hebrew, but people that don’t know the language want to argue for Yahweh.
The Dictionary of Mythology.
Yahweh - an ancient moon god sometimes equated with Baal.
Hebrew Bible scholar- Nehemia Gordon, has yet to find one manuscript to support Yahweh, in any ancient Hebrew manuscript; however, he has linked it to the Samaritans, and their God.
Jehovah's Witnesses direct people to Jesus....God's chosen Messiah.
If you read Isaiah 42:1 :
" Look my servant whom I support !
My chosen one whom I have approved( Chosen from amongst whom?
I have put my spirit in him. ( Spirit belonging to who? )
Are you denying the God and Father of our lord, Jesus Christ ?
Whom Jesus called the only true God.-John 17: 3
@@That_one_introvert. Yes exactly….over 10,000 manuscripts were examined by the foremost scholar in the world of the masoretic text along with Nehemiah….they could not find a single instance of Yahwey. However, pagan scholars said you’re gonna be hard-pressed to find out what the name Yahweh means but if you check against Hebrew sources . Doesn’t exist.However in pagan literature, you will easily hit pay dirt…and find out what it means… Because it’s pagan…its Jupiter
Well done! Thanks again, Seth ❤✝️
You're very welcome! I'm so glad you enjoyed it
Good Job Seth! Some of the things you stated I had not heard before, thanks for the info!
You're very welcome! Thank you for watching and commenting
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 D.C , Seth pointed out that the WT teaches that this name has been from the beginning then they later recanted and said it wasn't from the beginning, which is it? This is not a matter of getting "new" light it is a matter of not doing historical homework.
This was the point of the whole program that Seth put forth.
For the rest of us not in this group the name Jehovah is not the point because if we are born from above the name of Yeshua is the point.
When the WT talks out of both sides of their mouth shouldn't you be questioning why?
Charles T. Russell said only one true thing: New light can not cancel old light and this is true.
A person may not fully understand prophecy at first but when the understanding comes it is a full understanding of the same not a complete opposite reveal.
For the WT, they say that they get new light from God then they completely cancel out the things they say and call it new light from God. This is not how God works. God doesn't change(Malachi 3:6) and He doesn't lie (Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18) so if you have completely opposite reveals on the same subject then it wasn't from the God of the bible.
We are told to test the spirits. How do we do that? We go to the word and read the entire chapter or even letter on the subject.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 DC sin is not a mistake! I hear many people stating this very thing.
The WT has a habit of stating that they are speaking for God, then being wrong and adjusting their teachings accordingly, when someone is wrong then they admit it and apologize. The WT never to my knowledge has admitted any wrong doing for teaching unbiblical things. Did you know that the second explanation for blaspheming God's name is teaching wrong things and saying it's coming from God? This is the moral law.
Following the Lord is not an improvement program it is surrendering to the Lord Jesus Christ for your sins and having a renewal of the mind.
This is not taught in the WT so there's no washing of sins because the gospel is not spoken.
We are dead in our sins, a dead man can not decide to improve himself, we must first understand by the Holy Spirit that we are dead and separated from God because of our wickedness then make the decision to surrender to the Lord Jesus Christ knowing that there is no other way then follow Him.
So you’re not using any ‘apostate’ material? Lol. The problem with that is that 99% of apostate material is just old Watchtower literature that they’ve since changed.
THIS ALL DAY
So true
Truth
Thank you Sir Seth , I am watching and following your video❤❤❤. I stopped learning Bible study with Jehovah witnesses.
I'm so glad to hear that! I hope you're able to find a Bible-centered church to join! Thank you as always for watching
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
While edging out of JWs I find I'm much closer to God by just calling him Father. I realise the falacy at the heart of JW reasoning. People who are friends with the king of England call him Charles. But those closest to him call him father,or papa, or dad, not Charles.
So emphasis on the name makes them friends of God, not children of God.
Awesome video again Seth.
But remember it is scriptural to call him father..Good! However, all children know their fathers name….YeHoVaH….if we are his children, that is. I hope you are.
@mrmike9286 sure I know His name. That's not the issue
@@Mr.DC3.1914 the masoretes definitely concealed the divine name because of oral tradition. Thats the elephant in the room. That is the tradition your speaking of. Its a tradition not rooted in law but oral tradition. Evidence…The persecution of Emperor Hadrian burned a jew for pronouncing the sacred name with the vowels by wrapping a tora scroll around him with a soaked sponge to make him suffer longer. 250 CE. He hated Jews. So all the Jews had a prohibition on the name and Tora writing openly for some centuries…So when they said the priestly blessing according to the law they developed the special two handed finger separation that you see leonard nimoy in star-trek do. He uses one hand actually….their was a ban on the divine name just before the destruction of the second temple and because of Roman Hadrians persecutions. In one of the oral traditions..I’ve quoted it above in the other comments….a man ascended the sacrificial area with his brother in law( they were apparently lined up )where he heard the high priest swallow the name…..basically that means he said the name YeHoVaH under his breath as part of the priestly duties at the temple to bless the people in the
way YeHoVaH prescribed in the law….basically using his name. ….but cautiously not out loud. The Ultimate proof is in the Aleppo codex…i mentioned this in the historical comment above. When they would write the consonants they were deliberately very careful to leave out the middle vowel or leave out the points all together. …however, when you do this for thousands of times …..and in the masora’s mind ( masorete) he was saying it with the 3 vowels included….guess what would happen occasionally? Yyyyuuuup..Yes. He would write it with all the vowel points…YeHoVaH. In English you could harden the Y and use a J. JeHoVaH. Since Nehemiah Gordon found these multiple occurances in the Aleppo codex….they have also found the same in the Leningrad Codex. …..and to date we have found over a thousand manuscripts with the vowel points completely in place……so much for the scholar you mentioned. Those guys are trying to protect a theology just like trinitarians with the Jesus is God nonsense. The rabbis have admitted for centuries that the missing vowels were sheva kolam kamatz…..in private communications and letters that were not transcribed except at certain Universities….but now they are being transcribed for the first time in literally hundreds of years and sometimes the first time ever. The vowels are openly reffered to among ancient rabbis. But besides this they have unearthed scriptural references in Isreal that clearly refer to the 3 vowels. …here’s the kicker. Drum role please?..bbbbb…bbbbb. Guess how many manuscripts have Yahwey?……….zero. There are none. In fact it violates basic Hebrew grammar….you have to have a vowel after the H….the only exception is in some name endings. If some people in these posts truly knew Hebrew grammar as they say,,,,they would not be saying these things. But there theology crosses over and blinds their attempt at unbiased scholarship. Let the text speak….do not read into it. The grossest part is while rightfully exposing the JW’s , your turning people out of the frying pan and into the fire of pure pagan teachings!! Your supposed to free them from the cult,,,not substitute it with the ancient pagan cult of constantine and friends. Your knowledge of scripture should get more accurate….not descend back down to the filth of trinity, violating the first commandment, hellfire ( propagating the first lie told to Eve, she would not die) and making the creator into a vindictive fiend of fire sacrifice of the pagan god Molech Jeremiah 7:31. A thing that had never come into my heart said YeHoVaH……. We should be reaching higher….not descend back down to pagan doctrine. …then somehow say this is love?! How are you better than the governing body…they want to be our mediator, replacing Jesus….and you want God and Jesus to be evil vindictive sadistic torturers….or my favorite..he needed another angel in heaven when somebody dies. Therefore attributing wickedness to God. Raise yourselves above that. Going back into the filth or going back into mire filthy darkness is not the answer
@mr.d.c.1914.1 great stuff !
An excellent summary, thank you!
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Seth. Please keep more videos coming. I really enjoy them
So glad to hear that! Thank you for watching
Nice work Seth. Respective to the texts in question, the Revised 1984 NWT with references and the Revised 2013 NWT omit Philip. 2:10 as well.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you seth. Ive been talking to a jw every Saturday for the last month trying to see what they believe in and i finally built up my lil knowledge and strength by the Holy Spirit and i used a couple things from your videos and he was shocked i knew so much and the next day he came back an gave me a NWT and the kingdom interlinear book and i was thinking he dont know what he just did 😂 hopefully i can keep talkin to em and help him realize who Christ Jesus is! Ty so much an may the Lord bless you and keep you healthy for many yrs!
I'm so glad to hear that! I'll be praying for some continued conversations and that the Holy Spirit would bring your JW friends to a knowledge of the truth. God bless you as well!
Jehovah's Witnesses didn't get the name wrong. It was used before the Witnesses ever came along and was accepted as the Latinised form of Yahweh. So if its not Jehovah. Please enlighten us .
What an evil cult. It's a company. Not a religion
You will see who is the evil in the Armagedon days
@@jvvlogsstv3847 We sure will.
There*s a reason why we say "Hallelujah" and not "Hallelujeh". The "-jah"-part ist the short form for the name of God. Same goes for names like Isajah, Elijah a.o.
Hey Sholeetunes. Not here to argue, just to share a different point of view:
Have you ever noticed, that those theophoric names that carry "YH" [יה] in the beginning are pronounced either "Yeho*", names like Jehoshua, Jehoshafat, or "Jo*" names like Yoseph or Yohanan...
I think is possible, that the same thing COULD apply for the name of God. I have read [and watched] countless sources about the name of the LORD but I am still unsure.
God bless you!
@@amoscorvus Interesting point of view. But then..."Elijah" stands for "The name of my GOD is Jah...". "El" is the short form for "Elohim". I'm not shure if using Wikipedia is forbidden for mempbers of JW, but there's a good article about the origins of the word "Halleluja(h)" with cross reference to the scientific background of hewbrew translations. At least in the gerrman Wikipedia you can find an article about the origins of the name "Jehoshua", where you can read "Yeshua ha-Nosri stands for "Jesus of Nazareth"
I am aware that Wikipedia itself is not scientific, but they have to back up their content with sources that can then be used for further research. I am very grateful that the Bible even encourages us to pursue all sources without limits. The Bible does not limit the sources of information, which I find absolutely wonderful, and it also shows me that the Bible does not have to be afraid of being refuted. (Okay, there are exceptions, but they do not fundamentally change the actual message of the scriptures.)
❤ this. Thankyou for such a clear explanation. God Bless x
I'm so glad it was helpful! God bless you as well
It would be cool to have a series of an in depth analysis of the names of God.
Best and most thorough explanation I have ever heard, I will bookmark this page and listen again and take notes. What about Psalms 83.18 ?
Thanks Seth.
The Deity of Christ is secure indeed!
Amen! Thanks for watching
Thanks from Brazil ❤
2nd 😊
Keep up the good work!
Glad you're here!
I found this video fascinating, thank you! I was a 3rd gen born in witness, baptized at 12. My wife and I started doing research after watching the ARC case and realized that everything we'd been taught our whole lives was a lie. It was so hard mentally to come to grips with, but we couldn't ignore it. We recently sent in our DA letters together and the announcement will be made tonight, 1/1/25. Happy New Year! 😆
I am curious tho, when it comes to Jesus being God, how do you reconcile that with Exodus 33:20 ? Thank you for your videos, they are very helpful!
Great presentation, Seth!
My preferred bible translation is the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB), which has replaced 'LORD' with 'Yahweh' wherever it appears as an acknowledgement that the original word causes us to remember exactly the name used from the Hebrew text more so than when we see the translation, “LORD.”
Hello Seth great work and i love to watch your videos for my information work about jw in different Christian congregation.
I personally dont care if they use jehova instead of YHWH or how ever ...the problem is that they only see the father in this name and they are even ready ro change the scriptures to support it. I think the big problem with the name is:
1. JW told me its not possible to be a "friend" of God without using his name...
There you see its not an emotional bonding to God, its a practical bonding like to a boss. If i use my boss his firstname (he let me) im closer to a Promotion....but if my daughter calls my firstname i would have a problem with it....
2. Insert Jehova on the new testament. Only because i quote a other writing doesn't mean i want to say exactly the same....lets say i write a love letter to my wife and i quote Shakespeare: romeo o romeo ....i write now my love o my love....do i have to call my wife now romeo?
Thanks a lot for your work and greetings from Switzerland
*"JW told me its not possible to be a "friend" of God without using his name."*
This...said about the god that utterly failed to preserve his own name in his own book.
Watchtower admits in their literature that the true rendering of YHWH has been lost forever. That being the case, it is absurd to insist that their fictitious choice having nothing to do with YHWH is the only one a person should use.
Every knee will bow and every mouth will confess that Jesus is Jehovah. Hehehe that one certainly nailed it 😅
@Mr.DC3.1914 The Triune God, or Trinity, is a Christian belief that God is experienced as three persons with distinct roles, but equal divinity:
The Father
The creator and origin, who chooses, plans, and wills. The Father is the head of Deity.
The Son
The fulfiller, who obeys the Father and does His will. The Son reveals Deity.
The Holy Spirit
Carries out the work of Deity, setting apart, sanctifying, and teaching. The Holy Spirit dwells in us, pointing us to the Father and the Son.
The Trinity's roles reflect its eternal relationship, and do not diminish the deity, attributes, or essential nature of each person. Each person of the Trinity has all of the attributes of God, and no one person has any attributes that are not possessed by the others.
Its interesting that Jws muslims and Mormons all claim some level of biblical corruption
Galatians 1:9 says, "If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed".
The bible authors knew this would happen when it was written.
Peace and blessings to all
You're spot-on! Pretty much every cult/counterfeit religion has to diminish the Bible's authority in some way in order to support their aberrant teachings and JW's are no different. Thanks for watching!
That's a strong accusation.
But if quoting from the Holy Scriptures in truth is another Gospel already, than there is something wrong with such a principle. Because Jesus Christ spoke the truth, not the opposite. But I agree that the Gospel should be retained in truth, as received via inspiration. But at least it is not deliberate, and there is a note, that it was inserted.
Though I believe that Jesus Christ, who didn't himself write anything related to the Gospel, and the Apostles, when they were quoting from the Holy Scriptures, they could be quoting it in full, and Gospel itself is not only the written document.
Which was written maybe in favor of the Septuagint than and of spreading of the Gospel among the nations.
The Scriptures also says that to Jews were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God. Romans 3:1,2
And that aside there is the Kingdom Interlinear Bible.
To defend the true Gospel, we should also know, what this Gospel contained.
Jesus himself likely cited the Tetragrammaton directly in
his famous speech, citing from Isaiah 61:1.
John 17:26: "I have made your name known to them and will make it known,
so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them."
Its also been noted of Tarphon the sage of the 1st century,
that the heretical works, or the Gospels (gilyonim) which
contained the Tetragrammaton were burned.
@nataliamundell6266 WROTE: "Its interesting that Jws muslims and Mormons all claim some level of biblical corruption "
Yep! All false religions have three things in common: they add books, distort or deny the deity of Christ and teach works-based salvation.
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
Great video. I left the sect of JWs after 30 years and am an evangelical Christian now. My friendship with a reknown Bible translator in Europe who would confirm what you say on the so called corruption of the NT was one of the reasons. May the Lord be a quick judge on this corrupt organization. And may a lot of members of the Watchtower start to read a non corrupted Bible under prayer and not put trust in men.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I have no problem with the pronunciation Jehovah or Yahweh. I use the name of God. I have a problem with pretending that the scripts we have have been corrupted by a worldwide conspiracy of false Christians because Jesus is nothing than an angel. That’s what JWs claim and there’s their heresy.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 well you should do a lot more research on that matter. The YHWH was replaced by kyrios in the septuagint and these copies where used by the apostles. I know all these theories of unitarians and JWs and other groups who pretend that evil christianity corrupted the Bible. Well a God who is not capable of protecting his own word against corruption is a weak God and he will certainly not use a denomination like JWs to bring glory to his name.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 if you are such a wise person (and probably a JW) call Sam Shamoun and discuss the matter with him. By the way YOU SHOULD NOT DISCUSS WITH APOSTATES AS YOUR GOVERNING BODY SAYS and YOU SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM AND READ NOTHING SO YOU DO NOT WHAT YOUR LEADERS EXPECT FROM YOU: you're a hypocrite. I am an apostate JW so you should not answer. Have a nice day
When studying with JWs I was told something that made sense. In Matthew 6:9, in the Lords Prayer, Jesus says “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”’ How can his name be sanctified if we don’t use his name? Jesus also explicitly said in John 17:26 that he has made God’s name known. What is your opinion on this? On a different note, I was surprised by the point you made on the verse that would be calling Jesus Jehova if we follow JWs translation rule. However, you didn’t say whether you agree with the rule in the first place. To me it seems reasonable to include God’s name when there is a clear reference/quote to a passage in the Old Testament where the Tetragrammaton was used. Thank you for your videos on JWs, they’ve been very useful in my personal study.
What translation are you using? I've never heard anything close to that wording.
@@chrisdow6627
Fake NWT.
This comment raises thoughtful points about the sanctification of God's name and the inclusion of "Jehovah" in Bible translations. Let’s analyze the logic and offer perspectives to address the key questions raised.
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### **1. The Sanctification of God’s Name (Matthew 6:9)**
- **The Argument**: Jesus instructs His followers to pray for God’s name to be sanctified, suggesting that knowing and using God’s name is essential to fulfilling this command. If we do not use His name, how can it be sanctified?
#### **Logical Perspective**:
- **What Does "Sanctify" Mean?**
- The Greek word translated as "sanctify" (hagiazo) means to set apart as holy, honor, or revere. It doesn’t explicitly require frequent verbal use of the name but implies honoring God's character, reputation, and holiness.
- Sanctification could involve how we live, worship, and represent God rather than just verbally saying His name.
- **Does Knowing the Name Alone Fulfill the Command?**
- Many Bible translations use titles like "Lord" or "God" in place of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), but this doesn’t necessarily diminish respect for God’s character.
- Example: Ancient Jews avoided pronouncing God’s name out of reverence, yet they were considered faithful worshippers.
- **Jesus’ Practice**:
- Nowhere in the Gospels is Jesus recorded using the Tetragrammaton explicitly. If Jesus viewed verbal use of God’s name as crucial, why didn’t He set an example by using it directly?
- Instead, Jesus emphasizes relationship ("Our Father") and reverence over pronunciation.
### **2. "I Have Made Your Name Known" (John 17:26)**
- **The Argument**: Jesus states that He made God’s name known, which might imply the need for verbal use of the divine name.
#### **Logical Perspective**:
- **"Name" as More Than a Word**:
- In biblical context, "name" often signifies one’s character, authority, and reputation rather than just a literal term (Proverbs 22:1).
- When Jesus said He made God’s name known, it likely refers to revealing God’s character, purposes, and authority through His teachings, miracles, and actions, not necessarily verbal repetition of the Tetragrammaton.
- **Jesus’ Audience Already Knew God’s Name**:
- The Jews Jesus spoke to already knew YHWH from the Hebrew Scriptures. Jesus’ mission was not to reintroduce the pronunciation of God’s name but to deepen understanding of God’s nature and will.
### **3. The JW Translation Rule: Should "Jehovah" Be Used in the New Testament?**
- **The Argument**: The JWs believe God's name, Jehovah, should be inserted into New Testament passages that clearly reference Old Testament texts containing the Tetragrammaton.
#### **Logical Perspective**:
- **Reasonableness of the Rule**:
- On the surface, it seems reasonable to include "Jehovah" in quotes or allusions to Old Testament texts where YHWH appears, as this maintains continuity between the Testaments.
- Example: Romans 10:13 quotes Joel 2:32, where YHWH is used. Including "Jehovah" could clarify the source and context of the quote.
- **Potential Issues**:
- **Manuscript Evidence**: No existing Greek New Testament manuscripts include the Tetragrammaton. Adding "Jehovah" is therefore an editorial decision not supported by the oldest texts.
- **Interpretative Bias**: Translators might insert "Jehovah" where it fits their theology, even if the context points to Jesus (e.g., Philippians 2:10-11, quoting Isaiah 45:23 about YHWH but applied to Jesus).
- **Consistency Problem**:
- If we strictly follow the JW rule, certain New Testament passages would identify Jesus as Jehovah. For instance, John 12:41 connects Isaiah’s vision of YHWH’s glory (Isaiah 6:1-5) with Jesus. Would this mean Jesus is Jehovah? JWs reject this implication.
### **4. Practical Application of Using God’s Name**
- **Does Verbal Use of "Jehovah" Matter?**:
- While using God's name (YHWH) can demonstrate respect for His identity, sanctifying God’s name ultimately involves living in a way that honors Him (1 Peter 2:12).
- The emphasis should be on reflecting God’s character and bringing glory to His name through actions, not just verbal repetition.
### **5. Conclusion**
- **Sanctification of God’s Name**: The sanctification of God’s name in Matthew 6:9 is about honoring His character and reputation, not necessarily frequent verbal use of "Jehovah."
- **Jesus’ Use of the Name**: In John 17:26, Jesus made God’s "name" known by revealing His character, authority, and purposes, not by reintroducing the Tetragrammaton.
- **The JW Translation Rule**: Including "Jehovah" in New Testament passages referencing Old Testament texts can clarify context but lacks manuscript support and can lead to theological inconsistencies.
Ultimately, the sanctification of God’s name involves both knowledge of His identity and living in alignment with His will, rather than focusing solely on verbal usage.
Repeatedly saying someone's name does NOT in any way, shape or form mean that name is exalted friend.
When Jesus said HE made the Father's name known, it does not, nor did it ever mean that Jesus walked around saying "Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah" Repeatedly everywhere He went. Not at all.
When Jesus said that, it means as it says, Jesus made known, He MANIFESTED the Name if God.. to come in someone's name means that Jesus took upon HimSELF the characteristics. Qualities and attributes if the Father.
Jesus MANIFESTED the LOVE of the Father, the GRACE of the Father, the FORGIVENESS of the Father... Jesus manifested power over the weather on the sea of Galilee, Jesus HEALED the leper,, made well the sick and Jesus RAISED the dead..
This is what that means.
Jesus has made the Father's name "KNOWN"..
LET THIS SIT ON YOUR HEART
@marcelocampbell1679 Hi there! I would agree with what some have said in the thread here- that when Jesus talks about making God's name known, he really has in mind God's character, identity, nature, and purpose, etc. It doesn't necessarily mean he went around teaching people about the tetragrammaton. He certainly could have, I suppose, but we don't have a record of that anywhere in the gospels. More than anything, Jesus addressed God as "Father" and that seems to be the example he wants us to follow.
As far as the rule about importing the Divine Name back into the New Testament whenever it's quoting from the Old... while I think you can make a reasonable argument for that, I'm always going to be on the side of simply accurately translating whatever word is on the page. If it's "Kyrios", let's stick with "Lord", if it's "Theos", let's stick with "God", etc. Those are the terms God chose to inspire the Biblical authors to record, so I think we should keep them. But that's just me. I hope that helps!
20:00 this is a fantastic video, and i appreciate the work you put into this.
i was comparing several translations i have and found something interesting the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) does import ADONAI on Old Testament quotes and HIS name is in both Romans 14 and Philippians 2.
ESV (English Standard Version) does not reverently capitalize LORD in the New Testament however Lord is contained in both passages. This requires the layperson to do extra foot work of cross referencing to find out if YHWH is present and translated as LORD in Isaiah 45.
TS2009 (The Scriptures 2009) uses YHWH in Hebrew characters ( יהוה ) to avoid translation confusion. In the New Testament יהוה will only be used in direct quotes of the Old Testament. So Romans 14 does contain יהוה however Philippians 2 is a segment quote and borrows specific phrases. So the translators chose to use “Elohim” and “Master”. One other unique thing about The Scriptures 2009 is they print New Testament quotes from the Old Testament in Bold. In Philippians 2 it shows how several phrases from Isaiah 45 are sprinkled throughout but not quoted verbatim like Romans 14.
Just goes to show that every translation is going to take some liberties or have cross references homework to gather better understanding. This is why i think we should read multiple translations. Limiting yourself to only one is very dangerous.
@ Tyndale did a great translation for his day. His translation made a lot of advances for the Bible being accessible for the layperson. Tyndale’s translation effectively does the same thing that TS2009 did. It lists God in Romans 14 and Lord in Philippians 2. Tyndale’s translation you have to do the additional work of the cross reference checking. No translation is going to show you everything, you have to earnestly study. In general most translations are pretty serviceable. However reading multiple will give the reader a better understanding of what’s going on.
Hey Seth, just know that "apostates" research using the same two sources you just mentioned 😂. I get it though, you don't want to turn off active JWs to your video. Good job!
Thank you for this, as an ex-JW I really appreciate learning more about the hypocrisy of the Witnesses. I had no idea that the Divine Name does not appear in the New Testament at all, what a crazy realization.
@EricYoungArt It's pretty shocking! If I were a JW, I'd definitely be taken aback by that too. Thanks for watching and I'm glad you found the channel!
Actually there are Hebrew manuscripts of the gospels where the name does appear with full vowels,, even some in Greek ,,although not a lot.….like this in English “YeHoVaH.” The W in YHWH is from greek Aramaic influences…..the J was originally soft in Latin and still soft in Spanish. Being equivalent to Y in sound, and with the pointing in Hebrew, would sound like Yeah( yes ) Thats why English uses the J….languages change. See Nehemiah Gordon. Beware of people who call themselves scholars…their giving theology...if the JWs were erroneous….so are there many others….probably even worse……….the JWs are falling into the ditch of the blind leading the blind…..but they land on top of others who never left the ditch…..by using dark age pagan teachings who do not truelly or dishonestly translate these languages….so people get duped.
Yeah, I say ditch, the JW’s. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. The basic doctrines about the trinity and mortality of the soul gods name hellfire the grave. That stuff is true. They got that right. But all the other nonsense 144,000 great crowd of other sheep, faithful and discreet slave anointed Christians is pure BS very subtle manipulation.
I don’t think the pronunciation of the name matters as much as people make it out to. No one truly knows, especially considering the belief that God struck the tongue. I get why it’s brought up, though, because some people are quick to correct others, acting like they’ve got it perfectly right. But honestly, the most alarming part of the religion is their claim of being "God’s organization." In a 2023 *Watchtower* book, they even say you should obey them *even if it seems wrong* and provide a few scriptures to back up their belief system.
I grew up a jw, we were taught the cross is false etc, even a bad symbol actually. I was taught the Jesus died on a stake or upright pole. They say stauros means pole in Greek. After much research on the subject I found the jw book reasoning from the scriptures under cross says stauros then quotes the imperial bible dictionary from 1893 or there about. Since we have access to that now, I found out the jw had did the …. To omit the other part of the definition in which it calls out a crux or cross. Recently I did a job for a Greek woman, i told her about this, she said 100 percent without a doubt stauros or stavros means cross. She said of Jesus had died on an upright post it would have said he died on a kolona.
Thanks for sharing that with me! I'm very glad you made it out of the Watchtower and have had time to do some of your own research. Believe it or not, I made a video talking about the cross vs. the stake a couple of weeks ago. I'll leave a link below for you if you'd like to check it out!
ruclips.net/video/mAzPm2OlR5Y/видео.html
@ thank you! Yes everyday I work at undoing the program, it was pretty intense at the beginning. I will for sure watch your video!
@MattG171 The cross✝️ is a principal symbol of Christianity, representing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the redeeming benefits of his death.
Matthew 16:24
ESV
Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
The carrying of the cross is mentioned in all the canonical Gospels: Matthew 27:31-33, Mark 15:20-22, Luke 23:26-32, and John 19:16-18.
Paul embodies the cross in his ministry, becoming the fragrance of death as he is lead on the triumphal procession (2 Cor. 2:14-17), and he evens says he has been crucified with Christ (Gal 2:20).
Galatians 2:20 says, "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me". Matthew 27:37 also supports the idea of a cross rather than a stake when it says; "Above his head they had put the charge against him in writing: 'THIS IS JESUS, KING OF THE JEWS' ".
@@Mr.DC3.1914 yes the witnesses are a cult with the truths as bait. IE substituting the governing body as mediator for christ…its in their publications. However, as our friend says above ,,hes right. In the early part of the first century it was a pale or timber stauros. How do we know? Cause the same root word is used in 2 seaparate places….1 when they came to him to arrest him at night with a crowd who had CLUBS in their hands ….same root word…a doubt they had crosses in their hands…2 he told the Jews the Romans would come and put up STAKES and surround it….same root word….highly doubt they surrounded Jerusalem with crosses. Heres another idea….the whole idea having crosses hung around your neck or in your home is idolatry. The crosd predates christianity is a sign of magic …navigation in some instances and highly associated with the military….the chinese from 1500 bce in the Shanghai museum on their blades of combat had crosses. So did the Europeaners before christ when they went out yo battle. That the jews knew it was a pale or a timber was known about 80 years previously whrn visitors would visit Jerusalem to see thought they thought was calvary hill….they had 3 stakes setup…..so the visitors started complaing…..my friend went back there 20 years later in the 1950’s and they put up crosses to satisfy the cry baby’s. Truth can be painful. But with the JWs, its bait. Bait people in with some truth like a pool hustler.,.then swallow the lie of 1914 and signs of no indicator of his presence and turn these warnings of it not being a sign of his presence into the sign of his presence!….the exact thing he said to be aware of …the calamities would be NO indicator of his presence but would be business as usual in a sinful satanic world. He actually says do not go after them because nation would rise against nation ,earthquakes etc….they were cautioned that those things would be no indicator. In the parallel account in Luke 21…he uses the fig tree to to teach us saying….when he returns, you will need no one to tell you…” you know it for yourselves”. ….just like when the curtains are drwan close and lightening flashes…you can still see the curtsin lightup! Nobody has to tell you. You will know when christs return or parousia begins….as he said in the fig tree illustration. You will know it for yourselves. The problem is they think conclusion matt24:3 suntéleia and ‘end’ verse 14 télos are different meanings. Actually they are used interchangeably….they are synonyms. It was used in jesus day in secular sources and always had to do with direct forceful big entry and change…..in fact christ after describing wars etc being no indicator of his presence telks us to look out for people saying he was invisibly present!!….matthew 24:26 hes in the inner room…..hes hidden in the wildreness….invisible right?….you just can’t see him they say….he said dint believe it. You will know without anybody having to tell you. Christians are simply told to keep doing our masters will until he arrives
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 I wish it was a lie. I don’t lie. But the GB lies all the time. I could say trust me i know the literature very, very well and an friends with an anonymous writing committe member. Ive known others but not so personally. A lot of good men and women are in the org but are being completely duped about the history. They pretend to be candid about their mistakes but instead are creating limited hangouts for revisionist history. Their very deceptive.Actually its buried in the literature.they phrase it as since they are kings and priests they officiate for the great crowd…therefore Christ is not technically our mediator but theirs….and they mediate for us. Pretty twisted isnt it? But let me get back to you and find the 2 books its in and the exact location in the insight book for you….hold on page 362…those for whom christ is mediator is the subheading.also Blessings to mankind in general pg362.. well, Jesus mediator ship operates SOLELY toward those in the new covenant, he is also gods, high priest, and the seed of Abraham… … it gets a little vague, but States it….. I think it’s life eternal under the prince of peace book… In that book it’s very direct. It actually says he’s actually only the mediator for the anointed as they call it. Its in print. I will tell you where to look….if you have other questions for proof…i will provide it honestly. ….just so your aware…i do not believe trinity hellfire immortal soul etc…. But there are very subtle psychological manipulations going on that have been happening for years….they have playbooks….” worldwide security under the Prince of peace “1986, page 10. He’s only the mediator for the 144,000….. Remember, I’m actually telling you the truth. But they are not so forthcoming. I’m your real brother and will never lie to you. The governing body has a long history of making mistakes and not admitting to it ….and deceptively lying about those mistakes after 15 or twenty years passes and then do a revisionist version creating afmittable
Iimited ommissions without full, disclosure and even very recentlyimplying it was the other sheeps fault when in fact the leadership had said those things. saying, recently jeff windbag windler…we see no need to apologize. A humble person,
Would certainly apologize.
I find it interesting of the name 'EL. As in Beth EL. EL homin. And Superman's father. JorEL. Jehovah is not gods name. Who cares about gods name. I call the name of the man who created me as dad, father, pop, or any other name other than his first name. Why do JW's think it's so important to call god Jehovah. Who cares. We know his name. It's inappropriate and disrespectful to call your dad by his first name.
And what is the name by which Jesus called him? Father 🙏
@@markshark1613
"Father" isn't a name.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 you are missing the point. Jesus said when we pray say " Our Father". The name of God is way less important than the relationship we have with him. And in relationship he is called " Abba Father". Further, we are adopted as his children and Abba Father is the equivalent of "daddy"
JWs as per usual miss the wood for the trees!
@@markshark1613
I didn't miss the point. "Father" is not a name. Prove otherwise.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 wow, you are as obstinate as the Jehovah's witnesses themselves! But let's go with what you say. Okay, Father is a title and not a name. Did Jesus call him Father or a specific name? Did Jesus say we should pray our Father or by another name or title?
It doesn't even matter and that's the point. It's the JWs that insist on calling him Jehovah which is silly. Call him Yahweh, great! God, Lord all good. But Father is intimate and that is what Jesus modelled for us in the Lords prayer
14:02 Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence - if the manuscripts have been tampered with, JDubs must show us an original manuscript or copy of the original that has the Divine Name. If it's changed, then we can't trust any of it.
I wholeheartedly agree! The record shows a reliable transmission of the New Testament so anyone who wants to contest that bears the burden of proof. Thanks for watching!
John Rylands fragments….in Hebrew from late first century…..George Howards Hebrew Matthew…an original copied from earlier than the greek translations..abundant evidence for that. And greek fragments containing the name YeHoVaH with the vowels in Greek.
It can be seen in the fragments. …Hebrew and Greek….the name
It can be deduced from George Howards by any reasonable unbiased scholar…definitely not from the Greek..that could have only been known by a Hebrew copy that was original.
@mrmike9286 John Ryland's Fragment (NOTHING about ..."the Word was a god."):
The recto text comes from the Gospel of John 18:31-33:
ΟΙ ΙΟΥΔΑΙΟΙ ΗΜΕΙΝ ΟΥΚ ΕΞΕΣΤΙΝ ΑΠΟΚΤΕΙΝΑΙ
ΟΥΔΕΝΑ ΙΝΑ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΙΗΣΟΥ ΠΛΗΡΩΘΗ ΟΝ ΕΙ-
ΠΕΝ ΣΗΜΑΙΝΩΝ ΠΟΙΩ ΘΑΝΑΤΩ ΗΜΕΛΛΕΝ ΑΠΟ-
ΘΝΗΣΚΕΙΝ ΙΣΗΛΘΕΝ ΟΥΝ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΠΡΑΙΤΩ-
ΡΙΟΝ Ο ΠΙΛΑΤΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΦΩΝΗΣΕΝ ΤΟΝ ΙΗΣΟΥΝ
ΚΑΙ ΕΙΠΕΝ ΑΥΤΩ ΣΥ ΕΙ O ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΙΟΥ-
ΔΑΙΩN
Eleven lines of the text are lost, containing 18:34-36. The text translates as:
...
the Jews, "For us it is not permitted to kill
anyone," so that the word of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he sp-
oke signifying what kind of death he was going to
die. Entered therefore again into the Praeto-
rium Pilate and summoned Jesus
and said to him, "Thou art king of the
Jews?"
The verso text comes from the Gospel of John, 18:37-38:
ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΕΙΜΙ ΕΓΩ ΕΙΣ TOΥΤΟ ΓΕΓΕΝΝΗΜΑΙ
ΚΑΙ (ΕΙΣ ΤΟΥΤΟ) ΕΛΗΛΥΘΑ ΕΙΣ ΤΟΝ ΚΟΣΜΟΝ ΙΝΑ ΜΑΡΤΥ-
ΡΗΣΩ ΤΗ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΠΑΣ Ο ΩΝ ΕΚ ΤΗΣ ΑΛΗΘΕI-
ΑΣ ΑΚΟΥΕΙ ΜΟΥ ΤΗΣ ΦΩΝΗΣ ΛΕΓΕΙ ΑΥΤΩ
Ο ΠΙΛΑΤΟΣ ΤΙ ΕΣΤΙΝ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΤΟ
ΕΙΠΩΝ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΞΗΛΘΕΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΙΟΥ-
ΔΑΙΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΓΕΙ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ ΕΓΩ ΟΥΔΕΜΙΑΝ
ΕΥΡΙΣΚΩ ΕΝ ΑΥΤΩ ΑΙΤΙΑΝ
The text translates as:
...
a King I am. For this I have been born
and (for this) I have come into the world so that I would test
ify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth
hears of me my voice." Said to him
Pilate, "What is truth?" and this
having said, again he went out unto the Jews
and said to them, "I find not one
fault in him."
@mrmike9286 your boy Howard refers to manuscripts from the 15th Century written by a very biased Jewish guy.
28 manuscripts containing the Gospel of Matthew of Shem Tob are known to have survived until the present time. These manuscripts are dated between the fifteenth and seventeenth centuries. The most significant manuscripts are:
Ms. British Museum Library Add. No. 26964, London
Ms. Heb. 28, Rijksuniveriteit Library, Leiden, Netherlands
Ms. Mich. 119. Bodleian Library, Oxford
Ms. Oppenheim Add. 4° 72, Bodleian Library, Oxford
Ms. Oppenheim Add. 4° 111, Bodleian Library, Oxford
Ms. 2209 (Marx 19), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York
Ms. 2234 (Marx 15), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York
Ms. 2279 (Marx 18), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York
Ms. 2426 (Marx 16), Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, New York
Ms Vat.ebr.101, Vatican Library
Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Amen!
There's also a vers, in mark I think where children address Jesus a God and he says they are correct.
JWs would just try to explain it. Away with " context ".
@@FantasyVisuals there is no such verse
@@mrmike9286 only people who haven't read it would say such a thing
Tell me , why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah ?
@@FantasyVisuals its not your fault. Your Bible and every Bible out there translates the Hebrew text wrong because they dont know. Basic Hebrew grammar.. I will quote exodus 3:14 15 for you properly translated… you will then see there is no I AM.
14 so God said to Moses: “the one who was, the one who is, the one who will become.”. He added: “ this is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘The One who was, the One who is, and the One who will become’, has sent me to you’. “.
15. then God said, once more to Moses: “this is what you are to say, to the Israelites, ‘YeHoVaH, the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name, forever, and how I am to be mentioned from generation from generation.”
The definition of gods name is here in basic Hebrew language and grammar. It says not, I am…but
He was, He is, He will be…..the summation of this is Ye Ho Vah..
Its called hypocoristicon…not an everyday word but its all over the place in scriptures with peoples names and titles….sentences and definitions compressed into a name. To the Jews they have always known this because its just such basic grammar. They never get into, it because they don’t care for christianity because of the dark ages and not believing he’s the messiah….but the grammar is basic and they know this everytime they read the torah. When they were shown the old mistranslation at ex3:14 in christian Bibles…they busted out laughing.
Are there any other examples of the watchtower breaking their grammar rule like in Phil 2?
Philippians 2 is probably my favorite example, but there are others too. Another big one is Hebrews 1:10-12. In that passage, the word "Lord" is used of Christ, even though it's a quotation of Psalm 102:25-27, which is about Jehovah (the Divine Name occurs in the original surrounding context seven times). Another example is 1 Peter 2:3. In that passage, the word "Lord" is used, even though the expression Peter uses comes from Psalm 34:8 which is all about Jehovah. Since their rule includes not only direct quotations, but also "passages, and expressions", you can find several places where they break their rule like that. Hope that helps!
@theologywithseth Excellent, thanks.
I've noticed that JW will pronounce Jehovah differently depending on the language they preach in. In German it's Yehovah, in Spanish [γ]ehovÁH. I realize every Christian does that with the name of Jesus which is also very important. Yet calling God Jehovah is so essential to JW faith, I'm shocked they wouldn't put effort into one canonical Hebrew pronunciation out of basic respect
How can they they don’t speak Hebrew if we all did then no need for a translation
@michaelhaigh7258 Linguists have a pretty solid understanding of ancient Hebrew writing and - thanks to poetry and other hints - pronunciation. One could at the very least find a most likely pronunciation and teach it to everyone. You'd maybe be annoyed if foreigners knowingly mispronounced your name, but making an honest effort with some mistakes and an accent, that's a nice gesture. I know that's how I'd feel at least
That’s not German pronunciation,it’s Masoretes from Tiberias pronunciation who they got the manuscripts from.
@@That_one_introvert. If there is one language I'm very confident about pronunciation in, it's gonna be my native German :)
But I agree, it's very close to the "original"
@ well yes but so are all letters in the English alphabet J was added to the English language nobody complains about Jesus Jacob etc etc so Jehovah is good translation in our modern English
Acts 4;11This Jesus is
‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.
12Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”So why use another name There is no other name given then JESUS =YHWH
Yes….under heaven is the key word….YeHoVaH said to the disciples on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured….” this is my son, the one I dearly love. Listen to him.” As a high Priest who never dies, we approach the father YeHoVaH through Christ’s name. It reminds us of the high priesthood and how the Isrealites had to go to physical Jerusalem and present their offerings through the officiating high priest as required by law. So now, we approach YeHoVaH through the greatest Highpriest with the greatest blood to atone for our sins. If we do not approach YeHoVaH through Christ….are sins are mot attoned for. We die in our sins. There is one mediator between God and man….Christ Jesus. There is no other name given UNDER HEAVEN.
I wonder if god wanted us to call him by his personal name, why he did not care for that it was handed down to us that we can be sure on how to pronounce it correctly
The elephant in the room very few believers want to think about.
He did you just don’t read Hebrew.
@@That_one_introvert.
It doesn't matter if a person reads Hebrew. All that is left of god's alleged name is four consonants- YHWH.
There are 46 possible renderings of what vowels were used with those consonants. The ability to read Hebrew is irrelevant.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 And the Masoretes are the oldest and most reliable.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Just say you don’t read Hebrew. 🤦♂️
I am a complete sinner as the rest of every person on this world and I am proud of pronouncing The Name of Elohim as Yahweh!!!
His mercy is upon me!
Under his Hand my sin is nothing….
I praise Your Name oh Yah’!
Hallelu-Yah!
🩵
I am one of JWS i only use the king james version. In psalms 83:18 it plainly says Gods name is Jehovah. King james version is not affiliatee withvthe watctower. FEEL FREE TO CHECK FOR YOURSELF😂
My mom is a JW. Should I address her as Nancy instead of Mom if she believes it’s better to use a personal name?
What is the name of
The true God
The God of Avraham
The God of Yitzchak
The God of Yaakov
The God of Yisrael
The God of heaven
The God of all the earth
The God of the spirit of all flesh
The God of all flesh
The only God
What did he say is his name?
What did his prophets said is his name?
What did his anointed (mashiach, christ) said is his name?
Check the Yehovah started hebrew names and ask yourself again
Yehovah
Yeho-
Yeho-achaz
Yeho-adah
Yeho-addan
Yeho-addin
Yeho-ash
Yeho-chanan
Yeho-nadav
Yeho-natan
Yeho-ram
Yeho-shaphat
Yeho-shavat
Yeho-sheva
Yeho-shua Yeshua. Yoshua
Yeho-tzadak
Yeho-yada
Yeho-yachin
Yeho-yakhin
Yeho-Yakim
Yeho-yariv
Yeho-zavad
ElYeho-einai
Exodus 3:13-15 ASV
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them? [14] And God said unto Moses,I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I AM hath sent me unto you. [15] And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Isaiah 42:8 ASV
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
2 Samuel 22:32 ASV
For who is God, save Jehovah? And who is a rock, save our God?
Deuteronomy 4:35,39 ASV
Unto thee it was showed, that thou mightest know that Jehovah he is God; there is none else besides him. [39] Know therefore this day, and lay it to thy heart, that Jehovah he is God in heaven above and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.
Deuteronomy 6:4 ASV
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:
1 Samuel 2:2 ASV
There is none holy as Jehovah; For there is none besides thee, Neither is there any rock like our God.
It is all JF Rutherford's fault. He was a dumb drunk. Should have stuck with Yahweh (YHWH).
So the Hebrews had no written vowels. Do you accept names such as Jerusalem, Judah, Judea, Jericho, Jerimiah, Jephthah, Jehu, Joshua, Jethro, etc.. Nome of these had any written vowels.
If God was worried about people using his name in vain why is his name mentioned more than the word God. In the Old Testament there are 4 different words translated as God and together that amount to about 2700 times. The single word for the name of God is mentioned over 6800 times. So Gids name is about 3 times more frequent then the word God. Are you sure them that the Jewish superstition about the third commandment is correct? No it is not . God wanted his name known and what his people to call on the name
The best of modern scholarship says that the name YHVH was vocalised as Ye-Ho-VaH. ANd like all name starting with "Y" the latinised translation is to use "J". By the way modern scholarship also say that the vowels of Adonai were not used in forming Jehovah
Also do you accept the name Jesus. That is not his name either. In Greek there is no "J"
I have read that the word was proposed by a Catholic monk, Raymundus Martini.
In the infancy narrative of the Gospel of St. Luke, the NWT translates “Kyriou” as Jehovah multiple times, until Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cries out and calls Mary “mētēr tou Kyriou”. mother of my Lord is how they translate. But who was Kyriou to Elizabeth? Yahweh. Jesus is Yahweh.
I love that! Thank you for sharing
@ I’m shocked they leave their Kingdom Interlinear Bible on their website. There are so many scriptures in the Greek that unequivocally call Jesus God that they can’t change them all. They have changed Hebrews chapter 1 online but those old purple Kingdom Interlinears are still floating around unchanged and Hebrews 1 is a JW doctrine killer.
Then who is it that is fulfilling Matthew 24:14: in 240 lands , Jehovah's holy Spirit has guided and blessed this activity throughout the entire inhabited Earth Matthew 7:16 do you know of any other religious organization that is carrying out the good news of the Kingdom? So that all people of tribes nation and tongues can come to the know the truth regarding l God's promises at John 17:3 & John 3 16
The section on where the modern name "Jehovah" comes from is correct in the broad strokes but makes some, to me, rather glaring errors. For example, you seemed to imply that the taboo regarding the divine name predated the masoretes by about 2000 years, or if to be a bit more charitable that it predates something like the leningrad codex by 2000 years. However, that would mean that the taboo predates the composition of nearly all of the tanakh, which I don't think is a widely held position nor one that I think follows from the available evidence.
And that "God's name is pronounced by breathing" is just absolute nonsense. Embarrassing that you brought it up the way you did.
About the taboo…. by the end of the first century, just before the destruction of the temple, there was a taboo on saying the divine name… I’ve quarter elsewhere on here the tower mode which says a man in front of his brother-in-law, waiting to do the sacrifices, saw the high priest, swallow the name. That means to say, the name under his breath is not public by there there was a taboo beginning on saying it Publicly just beggining. Other traditions or of the rabbis clearly stated not saying the divine in public began at the end of first century but was concealed in secret ceremony and transmitted once every 7 years. with Emperor Hadrian in 250 there was a ban on the name, and they burned a Jew with a Torah, scroll wrapped around him for saying the name publicly. Later on the masora and scribes would translate leaving the vows out, but especially the middle vowel. Apparently they would slip up every now and then. And the mistake was always the same. An O in the middle. 7 times in the Aleppo codex and other times in the Lennongrad Codex. The Hebrewgospel channel lies, and says that the name of the full vowels are not in these manuscripts. Well, maybe you should go to Nehemia Gordon channel and you can let you see it first hand. 7 times so far in the Allepo codex
@mrmike9286 there was a recent book released on the divine name in the 2nd temple period, but I forgot the title. Likely one of the better places to go for info (I think it was one of those shortened doctoral thesis type of books)
@@archivalblob56 thankyou…you speak of Nick posegay….great scholar at cambridge. I also have a great book by one of the foremost scholars in the world about the masoretic tradition and writing techniques. Fairly new…love it.….that one requires some chump change but well well worth it !!….he was Nehemiah’s teacher…..dont think most of these people in here would appreciate it like you and I. But better snatch it up while you can ….these guys wont be around forever. Shalom brother
@@mrmike9286 thank you for the recommendation! but the one I was thinking of (just tracked it down) was "Naming God in Early Judaism" by A. R. Meyer
Full transparency, I am a former witness and I appreciate many of the points you’ve made. As a matter of honesty, I agree with most of your comments. However, you contradicted yourself in the final scripture, (Romans 5:1). Your prior statement said that Jesus is God, but if “every knee should bow to God, in the name of Jesus our Lord”; should it then reads, ‘every knee should bow to Jesus ( who’s God) in the name of Jesus our Lord (God)? What then is the definition of Lord and what is the definition of Christ? In 1 Corinthians 8:5,6) it states that there are “many lords”, so Jesus is distinct in that he is ‘the Christ’, (the Anointed One). As a matter of fact, Parliament representatives in the British government are referred to as lords and are serving in the ‘House of Lords’. So, for full transparency I agree that the Witnesses are deeply flawed in their renderings of many scriptures and are guilty of misrepresenting the scripture for their own convenience and purpose. We agree there, still you must re-examine your conclusion of Christ not without proper context, but not through the lens of the argument made by the Witnesses, rather with the facts of the Bible.
Hi @DRealRevolutionary! Thank you for your thoughtful comment. As a Trinitarian, I believe that the one true God exists in three distinct Persons, revealed to us as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Because they are not all the same Person, there can be verses where the Father and Son are mentioned side-by-side, without denying the Deity of either of them. So to paraphrase Philippians 2:11, I would understand it as saying, "Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is God the Son to the glory of God the Father". I've made several videos in my JW playlist about the Trinity that could probably explain much better than a comment so feel free to check them out!
Just listened to the end where you said 1950 bible.
Which bible is the romans 14 passage photo copied from? I have their 2013 silver sword hard copy, and have checked all their Bibles on their website but there is NO cross reference to phillipians 2:10 anywhere! Have they taken that out as well!
They revise everything when someone points out an error of theirs.
Their 1984 version has brackets around the word other in Colossians 1:16 by the way of court order but their 2013 edition doesn't have it , same for Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son so HE does not become angry and you perish in the way, for His wrath will soon be kindled and set aflame. In the new edition they've inserted God for He because you know we must not give any worship or honor to the Son.
I'm quite sure there's other examples but that's a couple.
@@rhondahart2416 thanks for that, I knew about col 1:16 but not about psalm 2. And you are right there are many more.!
@@rhondahart2416 the 1984 , though not perfect is largely a literal translation from the original language. No translation is error free. That is a fact. The brackets are to let people know that the translation technique of interpolation is at play. It means theirs no direct translation in the target lsnguage for that particular word. So they may have to use two words or three. court order….haha…where do you get this crazy nonsense. …..unfortunately, a person can lie and make a translation anyway they want. No law against religious convictions….thats a double edged sword. if that were true, ever translation of the Bible, at John 1:1 that says Jesus, isGod should be thrown in jail. But being stupid is not against the law….so they can mistranslate and lie until the cows come home
@@mrmike9286 The trouble with your perspective Mike is it's being directly fed to you by a small group of men that tell you that the only place you can find your answers to anything is from them.
That's called high control. I would tell you to look up the court order thing but you can't and won't so I won't waste my time.
I just did a video on this! It’s YHWH! The Greek language never used the letter “J “. It’s an English name that was created with the letter J
Great Job 👏
Thank you so much! I'll be sure to check your channel out
Yes your correct that greek doesnt use a J…however we must remember English comes from Spanish and latin….where originally the J was soft. Its still soft in Spanish. Latin changed in time….Jerome used an I which in phonology sounds very close to the yodי syllable with a consonant…like saying Yeah ( yes) in English. YeHoVaH….YHWH…is from the Aramaic Land of Isreal system…theres two others systems but the Tiberian System, since ancient times , is considered the most reliable by scholars in Isreal and Cambridge. The sephartic never truelly had a consistant system because greek and Aramaic influences…various tribal inconsistancy…many converted to the Tiberian because of its consistancy ….the term YahWey is not even in the Ball Park and cannot be found in any ancient manuscripts accept in pagan literature…Nehemiah Gordons stuff
EXODUS 6:2&3; And GOD went on to speak to Moses and to say to him " I am Jehovah (Yahweh for Jews) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacop as God Almighty, but as respects my NAME JEHOVAH I did not make myself known to them.
So tell me, WHO's the LIAR.....????
Jehovah.....????
Moses.....????
Or the Jews....????
I'm going to say the Jews that changed the original scriptures.....
And I believe they changed it to KEEP Jehovah's name from the gentiles......!!!!
First, let me say I understand why you would think that. So sincerely, what happening her?
. There was much debate because of lack of Hebrew understanding in sentence structure.and grammar. It actually in Hebrew is a rhetorical Question. Tons of the grammar in the old testament, Hebrew could be translated as Rhetorical questions. And right there is a perfect example. I’ll share an accurate translation of that verse. Almost no Bible translates it correctly. There is a female Hebrew scribe in modern day Israel, who is a master at this type of translation. She’s rare because she’s female. But she’s an extremely talented linguist with deep insight. I heard a good interview with her, and what she said shed some real insight into the language translation process of Hebrew. So, without further talking, let me translate it for you.
Ex 6:2,3
Then God said to Moses: “I am Yehovah. I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God, Almighty, and with regard to my name, Yehovah; did I not make myself known to them?
I mean, we can also deduced by the context in Genesis when Abraham was speaking to the three angelic messengers. He referred to them as Yehovah, …he knew the name.
so sometimes translation errors take time to clear up. It requires patience on our part. Sometimes we don’t have an explanation and this is where we actually can grow and learn. There actually is in Hebrew, tradition,,that when there appears to be a contradiction, that’s when the real insights come into God‘s word….. synthesis. A new understanding can emerge, and it’s actually an opportunity. Of course, these days Some will say “see the Bible contradicts itself! “And they storm off doing whatever they want to do. But those who are slightly more sly and perceptive know this isn’t true…. Real knowledge is too high for fools.
Anyway, I hope that’s helpful.
I used to study with JWs and I questioned them on the origin of the name Jehovah. Even citing that the letter J wasn’t invented at the time of the biblical writers. They reference the tetragram yhwh at very the beginning of their bible but it’s not mentioned no where else. All my research has brought me to - the name Jehovah was a mistranslation of the tetragram. I’m not going to be adamant on using a name that idk is even a real name.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 thanks for the info. I’ll be sure to look more into what you have given here. Whenever I’ve asked this to JWs they have told me Jehovah is the English pronunciation and Yahweh was the Hebrew pronunciation. In my mind those don’t marry up. And if the God of Bible introduces himself as Yahweh why change that name to something else. Names have meaning and it is extremely clear in the Bible that names mean something and they symbolize a person’s/entity’s nature. There are hard to pronounce regions in the Bible that are intact why tell someone you’re using an “English translation” of the name of God if the original names of places can be used. And also not openly recognize the other “translated names” to be equal to the name Jehovah. They literally teach that’s the only name that should be used.
Neither were just about any letters of the latin alphabet…or just a few. what are we gonna do ? not write anything because it didn’t appear at that time?
Just keep researching, his name is also in the dictionary and in the 1599 geneva Bible in exodus 6:3
Great historical breakdown. But wouldnt you say it would be hyprocritical to judge the use of the name Jehovah and yet most individuals use Jesus despite that not being his real name? Goes both ways. Yahweh vs Jehovah, Yeshua vs Jesus
@mattwest7413 That's a great point! The difference is, we don't insist that "Jesus" is the eternal, unchangeable, non-negotiable name that you have to verbally use to refer to the Messiah. While that's the most popular anglicized name, I wouldn't object if someone wanted to use the Aramaic equivalent.
@theologywithseth that's an interesting point. I have been a JW for 30+ years but realized the legalism and Jesus as non mediator being grave mistakes on their part. My biggest doctrinal struggle is the deity of Christ. Even non JWs debate about Greek interpretations of John 1:1 and beyond. Any good resources that seal the deal in terms of explaining the Trinity indepth?
@mattwest7413 That's great! I'm thrilled you made it out of the Watchtower. I actually have a whole playlist on my channel dedicated to JW-related topics and a lot of them deal with the Deity of Christ. But just to recommend one video in particular that many people seemed to like, I would encourage you to check out this one below. Let me know if you have any follow-up questions!
ruclips.net/video/Zd-cIcO-sFc/видео.html
@@theologywithseth thanks so much!
Jesus is our example. He taught us to pray to: "Our Father." (See Mt 6:9) Jesus, the Son, called his God and Father, “Abba, Father", (Poppa, Daddy) Mark 14:36. Jesus told his disciples: "You will be witnesses of ME" Not "Jehovah's Witnesses." He said that his followers have only ONE LEADER the Christ. JW's teach the commands of men, not God. "Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.'" Isa 29:13. Today "Human Rules" also wrongly teach that Jesus Is God. Jesus did not ask himself to deliver himself! But rather Jesus, face down in the dirt, begged his Father to "Remove this cup" then added "But not my will but yours." Jesus is not God Almighty. In fact, Jesus now sits in heaven at God's right hand awaiting the day when God puts Jesus' enemies beneath his feet! Finally God's Son, the second Adam, although wounded in the heel, will Crush the head of Satan and all of his followers. Gen 3:15, 1 Corinthians 15:45-49, Eph 1:20
Explain Genesis 19:24, Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12-16, Jeremiah 23:5,6, Psalm 24:7-10
@@rhondahart2416 "Explain" OK> LORD simply means Master or Owner. I am a land LORD myself. Christ is also a LORD because he bought us with his blood. The Almighty is LORD because He is from the beginning, owning everything. Rebekah said “Drink, my LORD,” to a servant of Abraham. Gen 24:18 Hebrew LORD = (אֲדֹנִ֑י (’ă·ḏō·nî))
@@mamajan99 I'm not sure who I was directing this to but it wasn't you, sorry for the confusion.
Jesus has a God and many scriptures tell us so
First
So fast!
Remember that neither God nor Jesus ever spoke English. The "J" in Jehovah (and Jesus) didn't even exist until the middle ages as it was the last of our English letters to appear. Either way, knowing an exact pronunciation is nothing compared to knowing and DOING His will!
How DARE YOU question what the watchtower teaches. After all they have always only been the only church under the direct communication of God and have never been wrong in spite of doing 180s on their doctrine,and in spite of numerous false end time predictions .
LOL. Awesome post.
I think it should be yaho because in Hebrew waw is often pronounced as the vowel o and hey’s at the end of words are silent.
Thats a valid point. There are 3 systems ….Babylonian…..land of Isreal( w ) and Tiberian (v)
The LORD GOD speaks in the plural for a specific purpose. Genesis 1:26 states, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness". In this verse God is referring to Himself along with God his Son and Holy Spirit, when He says "us" and "our". God is not referring to angels here because angels are created beings, not creator.
The Bible teaches that God is the only creator, and that he created everything that exists:
John 1:3: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".
Romans 1:20: "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made".
Isaiah 45:18: "I am the Lord; and there is none else".
The Bible's opening verse: Communicates that God is the creator of the heavens and earth. "There is no other God except me" appears in the Bible in Isaiah 45:21. The Holy Trinity is Yahweh. The name of the triune God is YHWH , there is no other. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "Jesus" is the name of God revealed in the New Testament. Jesus name means: YHWH saves.
Another unbelievable thing the watch tower misses is the God's name YHWH is contained in the hebrew name of Jesus, (Yehoshua), where the prefix "Yeho" represents the divine name YHWH.
So watchtower uses the name 7,212 times in their Bible but somehow is unaware Jesus name being Joshua in English does not contain the name Jehovah…..??…you think Eli-JAH is unaware too?JAH….? Nowhatever could JAH stand for?
The Bible says that the word of God should not be changed:
Warnings against adding or taking away
The Bible includes several passages that warn against changing the words of God, such as Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19.
God's message is unchanging
The Bible says that God's message has not changed since the beginning of time.
God's word is eternal
The Bible includes passages that say that God's word is eternal, such as Psalm 119:89, Isaiah 40:8, and Matthew 24:35.
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.)
So, you're saying that the NWT is wrong for adding the divine name into the NT, correct?
@BasicBiblicalTruth It's good to respect the God divine name. In the Old Testament, people eventually came to believe that mispronouncing the name of God was the same as taking the Lord's name in vain. This led to them stopping pronouncing the name of God altogether, and instead using more generic terms for God. The New Testament (NT) doesn't use God's personal name because it's written in Greek, and the name Yahweh is Hebrew. In the Old Testament, Yahweh is translated as "Lord" in English because of a Jewish tradition of avoiding God's name. When the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew to Greek, the translators used the Greek word kurios, which also means "lord", to translate both Yahweh and adonai.
However, the NT does use the term "God" to refer to the divine nature, and there are several instances where Jesus is explicitly called God. For example, Jesus took the divine name "I AM" for himself, and he said that the way to the Father is through him.
You didn't answer my question, but I like your post.
It also says ye shall Noteth spaketh in stupidith oldeth Englishith…for it wenteth by and by in Hebrew , Aramaic, and Greek……ye shall noteth disregardeth mine art sanctimonious nameth which appeareth by n by nearly 7,216 times!!…
Jeez. How dark aged and dimmed down race to the bottom with an archaic language ……where art thou Romeo
Jw have congregations in Hebrew as well
And....?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth…..and they got it right…and you got it wrong….Mr trinitarian And……..at least on the name…..but not other matters…they are in grave error in other matters
@@mrmike9286 What do they have right and what do they have wrong?
You could also have mentioned that the name “Jesus” (or Yeshua) contains the name of God - Yah saves.
Hallelujeh
There is no problem with jehovahs name ,you need wisdom to understand the bible manuscripts
You need intelligence to understand the Biblical manuscripts (mss), but you don't need that many to see that the tetragrammaton (the divine name) isn't found in a single Greek NT ms. Yet, JWs don't seem to even have basic intelligence. Either we believe we can trust the NT mss or we accept that the mss have been deliberately corrupted (e.g., the tetragrammaton was originally in the NT) and we can't trust them. This is basic. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
For anyone who believes Jesus is the New Testament version of Adoni from the old testament, you have to admit that is the most extreme Jekyll and Hyde ever written. So I am to believe when”Jesus “ is in God form, he’s this jealous, murderous plague giving, not omnipotent being, yet when he’s a man, he’s this loving, all forgiving humble and self sacrificing human? Not buying it
EL in hebrew is GOD singular
ELOHIM is GODS plural
So EL and ELOHIM is not the personal name of god is only a TITLE. the name of god is YHWH found in the manuscript’s almost 7000 times and the pronounsationnis YEHOVAH , why? you can found the proper name of god in Jesus name, in Hebrew jesus name is YEHOSHUA meaning YEHOVAH is SALVATION
The vowels of Adoni are Chatef Patach, Cholem, Qamets (A O A)
The vowels we actually find in the manuscripts that contain full vowel pointing in the tettragrammaton is Sheva, Cholem, Qamets (E O A)
Look into the data provided by Nehemia Gordon, because it blows a lot of the mindlessly parroted consensus out of the water. He also provides corroborating data from Rabbinical sources, and then shows where Wilhelm Gesenius got "Yahweh" from. Encyclopaedia Britannica gets it wrong here unfortunately. That Adoni vowels were inserted into YHWH remains a western scholarly conjecture not supported by Jewish sources
Quoting official literature- when it’s literature from “old light” to point out errors of “new light” is apostasy in their eyes
The problem with the name Jehovah is that you’re not saying it. The Biblia of Hebrecia. Stuttgart… The authors Gesenius.. Source for the name Yahweh is Theodore of siring. Fourth of the century he got it from the Samaritans, who never use God’s name, but had a temple set up to start from being attacked by killer lines. The name on the temple said anonymous. That is until Epiphanies put the god Jupiter, and they readily accepted it because they were not really Jews but transported by the Syrians. Translate it into English it’s Jupiter. That’s where the name Yahweh comes from. Congratulations! You’re worshiping Jupiter. Theodore didn’t realize that. in fact, in the antiquities of the Jews, you can see the letter they wrote… They did not use the divine name because actually, that was the law it was only to be called in Jerusalem.
But about ancient Hebrew grammar, the most accurate Kodex, for Hebrew is the Aleppo. It was written I am master scribe in 924CE in the area of Tiberius records. Confirm original Hebrew was still being spoken not the Aramac influence Hebrew. It is a very solid very accurate. Almost every free translation.
A basic rule in ancient Hebrew grammar is, you cannot have a consonant in the middle of a word. It must have a vowel associated with it. Exception to that rule is a consonant that ends a syllable. In this case a silent-Shva is used. Ie Asahel
The first ‘hay’(H) does not have a vowel!… According to the Talmud an oral tradition in the fourth century, they try to change the word le-olam forever… From exo 3: 15. That’s because it was the secret of the vowels concealed in that word. Thought it was secret has been found in many ancient documents, which say it was not lost, but was hidden. So the Talmud in the fourth century says let’s change the vowels to le(ha-)alim “ to conceal”. Did you get that? To conceal. They were hiding gods name by hiding the vowels… Especially the middle Vowel komatz. .. in the Talmud, which is the oral law from the first century, before Rome destroyed the temple. It’s written by Rabbi tarfon. he overheard the priestly blessing which is outlined in the law to bless people using Gods name…..
” I want to send it the platform after my mothers brother, and inclined my ear to the high priest, and heard him swallowing the name during the chanting of his priests”
Babylonian, Talmud kidishin 71a Sonono trans…compare the Jerusalem, Talmud Yoma 3:7 40d. The kidishin on page 71 a says “ sages transmit the four letter name to their disciples once in a seven year period.
It’s pretty obvious they are hiding the name. But if we simply follow that rule above that I showed you for ancient Hebrew grammar. It’s logical when you see the names Yeho Shua..YeHoVaH saves. Yeho-achaz…. then they also use the back part of the name even today and names like Nyeton yahoo… they are contractions of Gods, holy name…. which, according to traditional ancient Hebrew grammar, must have a vowel and fits perfectly with the names that insert the O in English. And we’re obviously spoken and come in every day usage in the Times of Israel.… how do we know?
Well, an exodus 315 it actually does not say “This is the memorial of me “or the memory… Like a funeral… But “the mention of me…” Something that is living and ongoing.
Also, they found the Lachish letters of the Babylonian invasion… The Hebrew general his letter was found… In it, they found the contraction of gods name contained in the contraction. It’s part of the expression found often in the Bible, as” as Jehovah lives.”
Lives is “chay” ( pronounced like high)…chay-HO-VaH….as YeHoVaH. Besides, these things, there are over 1000 manuscripts now found that have the full vowels E O A shva cholam kamatz. Besides, the personal letters that were never transcribed in the dark ages between rabbis making reference to the three vowels and being very careful to conceal it. It makes complete sense, whereas the evidence you’re providing in the video contradicts everything that’s been found. I’ll admit if nobody’s told you this, of course, you may think Yahweh is correct. But as I said, you can read the antiquities of the Jews, and see what the situation was in the letter that the Samaritans wrote to Epiphanius. The Samaritans never had a name on their temple, because this was according to the law… But afterwards they started calling their God by the name, yupiter or father Jupiter
Messiah Yahushua ain't never, claimed to be his and my father Ahaya asher Ahaya YaHuWaH Tsavuot Most High, in the flesh. There are so many false doctrines, false prophets and false apostles with their false teachings. Messiah Yahushua himself didn't even want to be called "tov" or good. He himself called out, cried out to his maker, his creator for his own deliverance.
Mark 15:34 KJV - "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 KJV - "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
One criticism: Philippians 2:11 is _NOT_ a quotation from the Old Testament. Therefore you can't cite their use of Lord in that verse as breaking the rule about using the Jehovah when the NT quotes from an OT text that uses it.
Yes, it is.
Isaiah 45:23 says, “By myself I have sworn; The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return: *To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty”* (NWT). The NWT obscures the connection with Philippians 2 with their word choice in translation but let’s look at the Greek LXX. Pay attention to the highlighted part, ἐμοὶ *κάμψει πᾶν γόνυ καὶ ἐξομολογήσεται πᾶσα γλῶσσα* τῷ θεῷ.
Paul cites this verse in the Carman Christi of Philippians 2 in vv. 10-11 saying, “so that in the name of Jesus *every knee should bend* -of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, *and every tongue should openly acknowledge* that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” The highlighted part in Greek says, παν γονυ καμψη...καὶ πᾶσα γλῶσσα ἐξομολογήσηται.
Paul began by stating in v. 9 that Jesus has "the name that is above every name." This is not “Jesus” as the name was very common, nor is it YHWH (Jehovah) which he already possessed (Isa 6:3, 5; cf. John 12:41). Rather, Jesus is given a name in terms of public acclaim, echoing the name Jehovah made for himself after delivering Israel from Egypt (Neh 9:10).
Paul proceeds to cite a Jehovah passage from Isaiah 45:23 (evident in Greek) where Jehovah declares that every knee will bow to him and every tongue confess. However, Paul attributes this to Jesus and proclaims that every person will declare that Jesus is κυριος, thereby equating Jesus with θεος in Isaiah 45:23-calling him Jehovah.
Willingly or unwillingly, every creature in the universe will acknowledge the Lordship of Jesus. “Paul’s LXX citation (Isa 45:23) reflects the familiar OT theme, that at the consummation of the age all creatures will bow down and worship Yahweh…the link in our text between Jesus as κύριος and OT YHWH can hardly be disputed”[1] but this is exactly what JW’s do, not because they are faithful to the text, but because their theology demands it.
[1] Andreas J Köstenberger, Philippians : Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament (Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2015).
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******* rs p. 196 § 1 Jéhovah *******
Bible Segond (révisée): Bien qu’elle utilise le terme l’Éternel pour désigner Dieu, on trouve cette précision dans le glossaire (à “ÉTERNEL”): “Ce titre rend le mot hébreu qui est traduit, selon les versions, par: Le Seigneur, Yahvé, ou même par Jéhovah. À partir d’une certaine époque, antérieure à l’ère chrétienne, ce nom n’a plus été prononcé, à cause du grand respect dont on entourait la personne de Dieu. À la place, les Israélites lisaient Adonaï (le Seigneur). Les voyelles de ce mot ont été combinées aux quatre consonnes (YHWH) du nom de l’Éternel, ce qui a donné ***la lecture, fautive, Jéhovah*** . (...) La prononciation Yahvé, proposée dans des versions récentes, repose sur quelques témoignages anciens qui ne sont pas décisifs: on pourrait tout aussi bien reconstituer la prononciation en Yaho ou Yahou.”*******
I just did a couple of quick searches on Bible Gateway. Jehovah is found seven times in the King James Bible. In the American Standard Version Jehovah is found, get this, five thousand eight hundred fifty one(5851) times! 😲 There is a one hundred year+ old ASV Bible sitting on one of my book shelves collecting dust because I've tried to read it but just can't. Mainly because of all the times that Jehovah is used. It just seems to rub my spirit the wrong way. I pretty much stick to the KJB.
Why not use the LSB? It uses the name Yahweh nearly 7000 times. It's just not found in places where the Hebrew or Greek text doesn't have the divine name.
Greetings Seth, I appreciate your effort however, "Yahweh" is also a modern expression of the YHVH. The letter "W" was introduced in the 19th Century. Incidently; the letter "w" was invented by the French scholars. We cannot say "...most likely..." - This is not conclusive but speculative
HalleluYah cannot become Jehovah or Yahweh because it is linguistically dishonest and of man tampering with the YHVH.
In the Hebrew language the "V" merely becomes a transponder for the vowel sound of the next consonant...As an example; consider Benjamin NathanYaho's name "NathanYaho(u)...Consider Elijah (EliYaho), Isaiah (YashaYaho), Jeremiah (YirmeYaho), Nehemiah (NechemYaho) and many other Hebrew names🛐🕎📜📖🐑
In the 1st century, Jeh would have been known as a Persian demon. And Hovah meant destruction or mischief in Hebrew. If someone said their god was Jeh-Hovah to a Hebrew, they may have been stoned. Demon goddess of mischief.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I know the full history of the name. Jehovah was invented in the 16th century. The most accurate pronunciation is Yahweh. The point I made above stands.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Interesting your name has 1914 in it. Are you aware that according to the Bible, Jerusalem fell in 587 BC, not 607BC. The date is off by 20 years.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yes. I am aware of that belief. I am saying it is wrong. The calculation conflicts with the Bible. It conflicts with secular history. King Darius came to rule in 22BC. Now read the first chapter of Zechariah and see if your belief fits?
@ No biblical connection from 607 to Jesus’ ministry
@ 2 nd year and 6 months of Darius puts it at 518-519 BC. Zachariah states in the same chapter that the 70 years isn’t finished. Impossible to get to 607BC adding 70 years to 518-519 BC when the 70 years hasn’t yet concluded.
The name of The True Almighty God is Yehovah/Jehovah. Everyone who belief otherwise, had been deceived by The Devil. Period. YHWH with the correct vowels is Yehovah, and NOT Yahweh.
I heard Jehova was actually a false god entity and I've heard of peoples lives getting better after they stopped praying to Jehova. Not sure how true this is though.
Funny, you are not even sure. You have a lot of Bible translations and versions as your reference. Forget the NWT if you don’t trust it. Use Bible Hub instead and you will be surprised to know the truth.
Yes you can just deny it but you cannot remove it from the truth. Truth will set you free right?
Jehovah's Witnesses foolishly and pharisaically treat the use of the world "Jehovah" as a magic talisman. The word "Jehovah" has no more power than the word "God" or "Lord". Neither determine how close one can get with God. How close one can get with God is determined by knowing his personality and character through studying the Bible - not from knowing and using a particular word.
Secondly, since the actual Hebrew name of God describes his character. Then really, knowing God's name is actually about knowing his character. Thus every student of the Bible who learns that God is the grand Creator and Purposer whose will cannot be thwarted, actually knows God's name - whether or not they use the word "Jehovah"; whether or not they call him "LORD".
The utter, shallow idiocy of JW theology!
Does it even matter they got God’s name wrong when… God doesn’t even exist?
It's what Jehovah means that's important . They openly admit its not his actual name. They are just using the English form name for him. Every language has a different pronunciation. Are you going to do a video on how each language says it wrong next. Shall we just call God Jesus like you potato heads do, even though the bible is crystal clear that God and Jesus are separate entities and separate beings. Many bible translations have Jehovah in the Greek scriptures not just the new world translation. I'm not a Jw by any stretch of the imagination but their understanding is far better and makes much more sense than the ridiculous teaching of the trinity! Please do a video on how trinitiarians have been involved in hundreds of wars than try and find one war with jehovahs witness in? You're friendly non religious deist! 😊
No, the Jewish scribes knew Almighty God's name...out of respect for Exodus 3: 15. ' This is my name forever.' God himself had made his name known...read Exodus! Exodus 3: 15, does have the full vowels of Yehovah, in the ancient manuscripts, Dr Gordon, has scrutinized.
I would recommend that you pay attention to the modern day Hebrew Bible scholar , and archaeologist- Dr Nehemia ( Nehemiah ) Gordon. He studied in an Israel University. He knows his Hebrew, and is finding the pronuncuation Yehovah ...from the ancient manuscripts, which actually use Hebrew vowels, and these are not the vowels of adonai. Even in 1890, Rabbi Jacob Bachrach, rejected your claim. ...explaining that Adonai has a vowel called Chataf- Patach under its first letter ( far right ) .If YHWH has the vowels of Adonai, it would have a Chataf-Patach under its first letter just as Adonai has. Instead , YHWH has Sheva under its first letter.
Nehemia states that every spoken language contains vowels, so they knew the oral pronunciation , and the vowels ..he's come across are Hebrew vowels, in numerous ancient Hebrew manuscripts, and these provide us with the centuries old name which in English is Jehovah. Centuries of history have documented this name ....with the weighty evidence on minted coins, artifacts and architecture.
Hey, Seth,
I think we need to be fair with JWs regarding the pronunciation of the divine name. I think "Jehovah" is an acceptable pronunciation of the divine name.
The main issues are 1) their insertion of the divine name in BOTH the OT and NT in places where the tetragrammaton isn't found. Yes, the NWT has inserted the divine name even in the OT where the tetragrammaton isn't found.
2) they inconsistently insert the divine name into the NT, as you said, imposing their own theology onto the text rather than letting their theology being informed by the text.
3) If the divine name was originally in the NT, then there is absolutely no reason to trust the NT, as you said. JWs want to have their cake and eat it too, claiming the NT is accurate by appealing to the multiplicity of NT mss while, at the same time, claiming the NT mss have been deliberately corrupted by scribes, who removed the divine name. In north Africa the church almost had a riot because Jerome changed the word of the plant in Jonah 4:6 word gourd to ivy in his Latin translation. If Christians got this upset over something so little because they felt that Jerome was changing the Word of God, how much more issue would Christians take to removing the divine name?! There is no evidence that the divine name has been removed from the NT, so to claim it has been removed is to claim we cannot trust the NT mss, thus we have no idea what the NT originally said.
4) Finally, Nowhere in NT are we instructed to pray using the divine name, rather we are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus and to Jesus himself in his own name.
These are the real problems with the name Jehovah.
Obviously, you're an idiot.
Psalm 40:6 says "ear" not "body."
Heb 10:5 says "body" not "ear."
Now, you clearly are not smart enough to comprehend this very basic point, or you are just simply dishonest.
"Ear" is not the same word for "body" in either Hebrew or Greek. The LXX uses the word ὠτία, which means-you guessed it-ear!
Second, the Syriac Sinaitic does NOT have the divine name. This is another lie. (See THE TETRAGRAMMATON and the CHRISTIAN GREEK SCRIPTURES, p. 127)
All you do from the moment you post is lie.
Lies upon lies. Everything that comes from you is full of lies. Thanks for showing that JWs are children of the Devil.
The Old Syriac Curetonian Gospels says in Mat 3:3: ܗܢܘ ܓܝܪ ܕܟܬܝܒ ܥܠܘܗܝ ܒܐܫܥܝܐ ܢܒܝܐ ܕܐܡܪ ܗܘܐ ܩܠܐ ܕܩܪܐ ܒܡܕܒܪܐ ܛܝܒܘ ܐܘܪܚܐ ܠܡܪܝܐ ܘܬܪܘܨܘ ܫܒ̈ܝܠܘܗܝ ܕܐܠܗ
Here, it uses the word ܠܡܪܝܐ, which means “Lord/master.” YHWH is not found in Mat 3:3. Again, I don’t know if you’re just a perpetual liar or if you can’t help it because you’re anidiot with no education. I assume your ignorance and lack of education doesn’t help the situation.
My friend, finding manuscripts with Gods name would make no sense?!….what twisted reasoning. It would lead to the elephant in the room..God is not a trinity. Making perfect sense. Half of the old testament is quoted in the new. Its unthinkable that Jewish Christians of the first century did not use Gods name. They didnt need to use a septuagint in Isreal because they read and wrote Hebrew and Aramaic in everyday life. The dead sea scrolls near the time of christ demonstrates the name throughout as well as Hebrew manuscripts and even a few Greek with the Hebrew name YeHoVaH in it in some Greek texts of the gospels See Nehemiah Gordon……with your own eyes. In fact in Hebrew Matthew, it appears more times than the new world translation has it inserted. So in fact they didnt insert it enough! That being said, about Gods name…..on the other hand the NWT does engage in deceptive slight of hand on other issues…….very deceptive….about the 144,000 doctrine and other sheep and a faithful and discreet slave….definitely they manipulate their bibles and in Matthew chapter 24….separating verses that are not separated in the original greek to deceptively convince people of the false 1914 doctrine
@@BasicBiblicalTruth of course, there are some of them have it with the full towels in Greek it’s just not in every spot. besides, the gospels were not written in Greek, but we’re translated from Hebrew to Greek we know because the way it comes out in Greek is kind of weird. Papiat 60-130 ce …(Eusubius)he knew John and many of the other other 1st century disciples. John told them to translate into Greek implying, do the best you can .apparently it was not easy. This is born out today. When we translate it back into Hebrew it can easily see that they were originally intending in the greek. Greater than that Hebrew copies have showed up at the Vatican in the trash bin also, in certain rabbis, who engaged in disputes with the Catholic Christians, hardcopies in Hebrew with Matthew and Gods name, is there throughout with the full vowels….george Howsrds Matthew gospel. Has proven to be an original manuscript that does not come from the Greek. Because it contains details and explanations that the Greek manuscripts leave out… It fills in details such as at Matthew chapter 23 verse says ‘do what they tell you to do( Pharisees do), but don’t do they do as they do’ ,,not what it originally said, it just got mixed up because it was in Hebrew to Greek, and they couldn’t translate well from Hebrew. Originally it said, “do all the things they tell you to do, but do not do according to their reforms”…..now it makes sense…… and God’s name, Yehovah is throughout the gospel, even more than the New World translation ….it has the full vowels. I know that rains on the trinitarian theology but hey….love truth. Do not become confused and think the JWs are right about all the other stuff cause their not. Many of them are nice people. But the leadership is pure 💩 crap
@@BasicBiblicalTruth in fact Nehemiah Gordon just dropped a clip a week ago of new testamentt in greek where they found the name with full vowels.""was not planning to mention it here but i remember just seeing it two days ago.admittedly not much in Greek but they are definitely out there….i have seen them over the years…not many
Gods name is GOD…
in the beginning,GOD,
created the heavens and the earth,,,
Well! Jesus called him and prayed to him as FATHER! Out of respect for his authority over every living being!
Where is that screenshot of Romans 14:11 from? I have the old and new JW Bible and the reference scriptures don't match up. Neither does the page number at the top left. Where is that from exactly? Thanks.
I realize it's from the older "Christian Greek Scriptures" version!! Nice find!
@jason___4010 You got it! Thank you for watching and commenting
It is annoying when so-called experts use Jehovah. More importantly, Biblical Hebrew uses a waw (W), whereas modern Hebrew uses a vav (V). Also, the vowel O is not found in YHWH until the knuckleheads put the vowels for Adonai on YHWH.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You can quote all sorts of knuckleheads who will try to legitimize their butchery of YHWH. Tyndale translated the MT with the diacritic markings of Adonai, which is accepted by a majority of scholars.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Are you insane? Do you see an O or V in YHWH (יְהוָה)?
-Medieval scribes known as Masoretes are responsible for the vowel markings (or points) found in the manuscripts used for most modern printed copies of the Hebrew Bible. The tetragrammaton is typically marked in Masoretic Hebrew manuscripts as yhwh-a form that seems as if it should be pronounced “yehovah” or “jehovah.” However, the “pronunciation is grammatically impossible” in the Hebrew (Hirsch, “Jehovah,” 7:87). The written form yhwh is an example of a qere and kethiv, where the vowels indicate a reading that differs from what is written (Kelley, Mynatt, and Crawford, Masorah, 41). With yhwh, the vowel markings for אֲדֹנָי (adonay, “Lord”) have been placed under the consonants of the divine name yhwh to signal the reader to say adonai wherever yhwh appeared in the text.
Douglas Mangum, “Jehovah,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I already debunked this. See the above reply. You must be a JW.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 That's funny, surely you KNOW that I have the MAJORITY of scholarship on my side.
[יהוה] yhwh, n.p., Yahweh. 6,828×
Root: יהוה. Cognates: אֲבִי; אֲבִיָּה; אֲבִיָּ֫הוּ; אֲדֹנִיָּה; אֲדֹנִיָּ֫הוּ …
The Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Hebrew Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2017).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You are clearly in denial. I have shown you in the Biblical Hebrew that the name of MY God is YHWH. The waw (W) was changed to vav (V) only recently. At the time of the Scriptures, the only V sound in Hebrew was a soft bet (ב), which is OBVIOUSLY missing from the tetragrammaton. Cognitive dissonance can be overcome.
HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST!🫡✝️
Really…than why did Jesus tell Satan at Matt 4: its YeHoVaH your God you must worship and him alone you must render sacred service. ….alone….interesting phrase……means no other… not Jesus
The Lord isn’t a name !
YeHoVaH : Found with vowel notations on 1000s of manuscripts in over a decade of work by renowned scholar Nehemia Gordon and his team, proves the origin is not some 14th century monk!
YeHoVaH: has clear and biblically aligned meaning of He was, He is, He will be.
YeHoVaH: when shortened using Hebrew rules is Yah. (Yahweh would be yeh)
YeHoVaH: the name within the name of the messiah!
Yehoshua (Yeshua) meaning YeHoVaH saves.
Yahweh: no manuscript evidence = doctrine of men
Praise YeHoVaH the Father,the only true God.
Anything else is idolatry
“Little children guard yourself from idols”
Nehemiah Gordon's claims are false.
For the Yehovah pronunciation to be correct, one would expect to see the consonantal form written as יהווה, but no such a form has ever been found - including in the Dead Sea Scrolls. As for the pointed text, we know the Masoretes applied the wrong vowels, thus forming the hybrid Yehowah, so that the divine name wouldn't be spoken. Even so, if one were to assume against the evidence that the Masoretes changed the consonantal form to יהוה, then for the Yehovah pronunciation to be preserve the consonantal 'v', the pointed form would have to be written as יְהֹוָה instead of יְהוָֹה.
In the Septuagint, יהוה (Yhvh) is transliterated as Ἰαβέ by both Theodoret and Epiphanius, pointing us to the correct pronunciation, which favours יַהְוֶךְ (Yahweh).
Gordon's thesis has been rejected far and wide. You can find rebuttals at Associates for Biblical Research and others.
The Christian Apologetics Research Ministry (CARM) has also done a rebuttal of Gordon's claims about uncovering the original text of Matthew’s Gospel in Hebrew.
The only Hebrew manuscripts Gordon has found are medieval _translations_ from over 1,000 years after the New Testament was written.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh You know the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, right?
@That_one_introvert. Double Duh!
@@Berean_with_a_BTh So why are you saying a man who has a Master in the language is wrong?
@@That_one_introvert.Why don't you actually read my previous reply. I already answered that question.