Helldivers 2 Players WANT It To End
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- If you think about it, it is kind of poetic that super earth might fall due to the mistreatment of its best armed forces. Vera Libertas
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Also didn't realize I kept alt tabbing to youtube, sorry about that.
I thought it was your way of showing how engaged you were with the current state of the game 😂😂
@@Squee7e Lmao... I mean yeah.
If Super Earth gets taken over, then we'll just move to our backup home planet, "Superer Earth".
this is something that would happen if players failed to hold the line in the first game
If super earth is being invaded and the missions are still on empty desert terraign and not urban then it's a joke to helldivers 1.
"Superest Earth"
@@JustOnlyHallow”supererest earth 3: earthletric boogaloo”
Imagine at the end it's just a combination or bugs, bots, those aliens, AND former divers
They don't seem to understand that they created a fanbase that has a spine.
And won’t back down.
I knew this would inevitably happen because unlike most people I played helldivers 1 , and after 5 years of balancing they made the most boring loadouts possible , I had 0 interest in helldivers 2 because the team is the same , its like thinking your psycho ex will be a good partner now because she got a boob job .
Quite a feat to create your own bane
You're joking, right?
"Fanbase has a spine" lmao. If they had a spine they'd just quit paying and playing. Whining like babies won't fix anything, only hurting their wallet does.
deep rock galactic is hiring people with diving experience
At DRG pay us for our work Super earth doesn't even want to provide us the free labor with proper tool
I hear the Ultramarines are doing something similar.
Went from Rock and Stone, to For Super Earth, and back to For Karl. Dwarves never die, brothers!
@@itsumayo good to hear. last time i played helldivers, i quit in the middle of a mission and started doing paperwork because then i'd have more fun
Just don't vent your frustrations about Helldivers 2 in the community, they dislike having that kind of negativity being tossed around, just have fun mining with your brothers and sisters and DRG will pay you back for following company etiquette.
Let me tell you why this is happening.
Helldivers has been the only game so far that hasnt tried to nickle and dime the players to death, While having a damn good gameplay loop.
People from Destiny, Overwatch, ESO, those weird gacha japan games, diablo fans, cod fans, battlefield fans...
We all came together to play this and get away from the bullshit only to get served more bullshit and told "You play how we want you to play" again.
Do you know how many times the destiny playerbase was cucked by the devs? I was one of those people, they made a boss not able to be ledged or pushed into the abyss several times because players were using those niche strategies to win, instead of awarding that with applause they ruin it, they ruined entire subclasses and weapon types, and have made things nearly completely useless and thats not even touching on the sunsetting issue that was only recently removed...
We were happy to finally have a dev team that seemed to give an actual shit about us and engage with us in a meaningful way, we wanted to come out away from the microtransactions and have actual fun, and for awhile thats what it felt like!
Then they nerfed the railgun, and the concussive weapons in an update after launch, de listed the game from a bunch of different countries after having sold it to them, trying to force people to sign up to sony's crap to do so.
The flamer nerf while maybe warranted, was definitely not wanted by the playerbase, and after being told yet again that our weapons are getting obliterated because we are having too much fun... It caused a lot of us to snap. We are sick of being taken advantage of and pushed meaningless garbage under the guise of "balance", we're sick of updates removing shit no one asked for and we're sick of being told "you're playing it wrong!!!111" by tone deaf greedy money hungry corpos, and we are acting on that.
It seems we are always going to be looking for a game. At this point I will play Galactic rock, or pressure on Roblox.
Hell us destiny players need to find a new game that gives us a feeling of worthwhile success. I’ve been looking at final fantasy mmo but have put it off for obvious reasons. But now…
Let’s just say that white mage with a shotgun build is looking mighty enticing right now.
Lol, you have bad guns in Destiny 2.
My Heavy can kill ANYTHING with 7-10 shots. I got the gun for free.
Haven't played the game in a long time so i forgot the name but it's a railgun.
One thing wrong here is that it was Sony that delisted the game from all those countries, arrowhead have little to no ability to influence that.
Preach brother
I mean, isnt the point of a game to have fun?
The other problem with this game i feel is that its incresibly unforgiving and forces you to come back everyday, you won a planet back? Be a shame if i decided that 8 more were conquered by the enemy overnight, oh, you guys fought for weeks and took them? Lets make them conquer 12 more.
I feel like this game loop is far too tiring, like, its too stressful, you NEVER get satisfactions because the nerfs make it far too hard to win and the constant conquers make it pointless, because you will never see the end of it, which i guess its true to life, but this is a f*cking game!
It’s a fantastic formula. The devs literally had the golden goose and they choked it by taking the “fun” part out of the game… games are supposed to be FUN!
*THEY HAD THE FUCKING GOLDEN GOOSE AND DECIDED TO MAKE FUCKING FOIE GRAS!*
By nerfing a few weapons and buffing a ton? Then having the hardest difficulties be hard?
You talk like their balance is flawless and people play for the challenge.
No, the balance is flawed (topic: breakpoints) and we play for the power fantasy, not the challenge.
@@somederp8915 Then play a lower difficulty. The hardest difficulties are supposed to be difficult. Quite a shocker, I know.
@@thelouster5815 Then they should find something that's fair, cause nerfing players or having stupid breakpoints and thus a bad balancing seriously feel awful and not like the balance team even know how to play the game.
Did not play Super Helldive (Diff 10) yet, but had the tendency to roam/solo objectives in Diff 9 to help clear side objectives on my own. I know what challenge is and what bullshit is. And it would still be challenging without the bullshit of bad balancing right now.
Also, changing the design paradigm may allow more of our arsenal to be viable. E.g. when the erruptor did 1shot or 2shot chargers we suddenly saw people using the MGs and other strategems for hordeclear instead of only building full strategem loadouts around killing elites/super elites.
I’ve never seen a game rag doll a player more than helldivers 2
Skyrim
There's only one thing in Skyrim that Ragdolls you tho
Akshually, there's also high-level draugr that can shout unrelenting force
@@TotalXPvideosTrolls, Unrelenting Force, any kind of knockback you take
@Shadowical giants who live in tribes yet have a space program.
They need to get rid of that guy behind the balance changes, He's the same person who created key parts of Hello Neighbor. Even if they do fix this, its probably too late for them to fix as youve said. They had lightning in a bottle and fumbled the bottle to pieces, I hope super earth falls.
"Bringer of Balance" Alexus needs to go back to CoD BO, AH was dumb as hell for hiring him, he belongs on a game like Destiny before there mass layoffs, his mentality would have been perfect with all the vaulting and removing content.
You're looking at this specific problem the wrong way. He said that the team is on the same page as him, he's just representative of this particular design philosophy. He's just one of many balance devs who think nerfing the most popular options is a good idea.
It's probably an AI.
@@BouncingTribbles I think there should be a minimum requirement that atl half of the balancing devs need to be able to play and win at 10 difficulty.
As soon as I found out it was him I knew things were gonna be like this. How that idiot is allowed within 500 miles of a game studio is beyond me lmao. If you hire someone who butchered a game like hello neighbor that bad you deserve everything coming to you
Just reminder that Arrowhead hired an infamous Dev named Alexus who also the reason on why Hello Neighbour 2 crash down badly.
Alexus hate fun and the one behind the nerf and the reason why Eruptor became worst from latest patch
Let's be honest he's not the only reason that game sucked
I run Eruptor and it performs fine?
They literally could have just left eruptor alone after the 1 st nerf and it would have made sense. God forsake the ricochet bug that they themselves implemented and neutered the weapon for
@@Jay2480It can be perfectly serviceable but its a matter of what it used to be and the change made gutted the identity the weapon had back then
@@s2wuolf508 Still can't get over the fact that they used the orbital airburst for the eruptor. IMHO I'm fine if they revert it, but they nerf the reserve ammo
congrats AH, the meta now is no longer tied to any weapon cause the meta is quite literally avoiding enemies in general
This was always the meta for bots stealth mechanics have been a thing since launch
@@kingsuperbobboy that’s exactly the criticism though, in nerfing weapons they reinforced an actual technical meta since game launch.
It’s a horde shooter game the INSTANT stealth breaks. This isn’t metal gear where the alarm state can reset it’s like risk of rain where the game gets impossibly hard if you take too long.
Only there’s no item acquisition or mid mission mechanics that can keep the player relevant as the mission heats up.
@@kingsuperbobboy That being the "META" sucks ass. no one wants to play a stealth game when the game has Mechs and Rocket Launchers and HMGS and freaking Orbital bombardments and airstrikes. Anyone saying this game even SHOULD have stealth is dumb as a rock. It's a sci-fi military horde shooter, with all the Shock and Awe that should come with. But they just keep nerfing EVERYTHING so it feel like you're hitting enemies with a wet napkin, not actual military hardware. Stealth in HD2 is for cucks, who hate fun.
Win the game by not playing the game
@@mylittledarkworldjohn4289 not playing doesnt win you the game, it just makes you do something, else which is a good thing, just sad that there is no way to get a refund since we all thought we were going to get a lot more out of this game than what we actually got
I'm not sure who said it first but this is the truth; never nerf a gun. Make the new challenges meet those meta guns, and BUFF THE GUNS THAT AREN'T META. Make a new meta. Don't take the current one away from players.
Thats horrible design, while the balancing department screwed it up on this one saying never nerf a gun is a horrible decision
@@kingsuperbobboythere’s basically two thought processes with metas.
Nerf the thing that stands out. Devs do this because it’s easier than actually making everything relevant. It also makes a game blander than British oatmeal.
The other would be to buff the things that don’t work so well to make them at least relevant or unique in some manner. This actually takes effort and planning.
Which is why you will almost never see this from big dev teams that despite having the resources insist on the most lazy approach.
@@aguyontheinternet9095 While you do wamt everything on the same level, never nerfing anything and solely buffing leads to powercreep of newer content which you then have to backtrack to older weapons to get on the level of everyone else you need to do both not solely one.
Buffs and nerfs should be used in equal measure, one shouldn't be the primary way of changing things over the other.
Especially in Helldivers, weren’t the devs trying to kinda play in character as Super Earth before. Story wise nerfing makes no sense, it would make more sense to buff the other weapons and buff the enemies make it seem like an arms race.
My friend and I argued about it yesterday, he brought up the topic saying players are whiny and just can't be happy.. Had to remind him we spend most of our plays reinforcing each other against the automatons because we're constantly being ragdolled and it's a very frustrating experience. I asked him if he thought it was fun and he said that at least it's realistic. Pretty sure rocket devastators having infinite supplies of rockets, enemies being able to shoot at you a hundred meters away with perfect accuracy and 500 kg Hellbombs barely be able to kill anything is not "realistic" but hey, what do I know ? I mean seriously the devs keep using the word "realism" to justify the nerfs, meanwhile I get shot at from behind a fucking mountain. This is not "challenging", it's just lazy game design.
I don't get it. Helldivers 1 had realistic balance, even the biggest targets died to a single AT mine, and the rare exception like the heavy bug tank sure as hell couldn't take 2. Even those biggest bugs died to a single AT shot if it was to their head, it made sense. You died fast but so did the enemies.
It was playable even though they were spammed at you on higher difficulties way more than in HD2, they should just emulate their own game.
"mUh rEaLiSm" says the people who created space bugs and space terminators. I remember Johan Pilestedt telling us on twitter when we asked for more ammo buff he said something like "they need to change the weapon mag model so no" but When they nerfed breaker for the first time with the railgun, THEY CHANGED THE MAG MODEL ON THAT PATCH!! excuses, lies, laziness, hypocrisy and mUh rEaLiSm, also i remember getting perma banned from discord for their mods posting furry porn and they banned me cuz i clicked "puking emoji" on it. They trully killed off something that would've spawned an entire franchise in mere 6 months
I dont recall the exact quote by gaben but it was something like you have to balance between realism and fun if its realistic but boring as all hell whats the point"i need to go to the hospital when i sprain my ankle but id be pretty pissed if i played gta 5 and when i got shot i just died instantly
if they wanted to go for realism, there'd be no game at all, just really fast space travelling rockets
with the power of 10 torino class asteroids striking at enemy planets and back. realistically that's
what real world earth would do in such of events like these if they actually happened.
You wouldn't train super soldiers to go to space, fight on alien worlds when you could just bombard
the planet from afar using long range guidance rockets.
Ah the War Thunder situation. So realistic that the game is shit...
Helldiver mutiny has begun, many will put themselves in cryostasis in anticipation of an emperor of man to fight for.
LOL real
PRAISE BE TO SPACE KING!
nah, a giant red minotaur looking thing and a blue and purple space squid is gonna appear from nowhere and have the dissenters fight against super earth
Imagine the looks on the Space Marines' faces when a bunch of soldiers walk out of a cryostasis building like a parade.
@@terrat0mere Like a clown car lol
i uninstalled the game last week, i was at the movies with my friends watching Aliens this weekend, and there's a line on the movies that says that their ARs have 450 rounds per magazine, and my first thought was, well, we are fighting million of enemies with only 30//40 rounds per magazine looool. we have to ask the Wayland Yutani company from Aliens to give us those ARs bc Super Earth doesn't wants us to have fun.
450 rounds per magazine? need a goddamn exosuit to carry that many rounds because I don't think fodder like helldivers would be able to carry a gun like that lmao, but in all seriousness 40-60 rounds would be enough but super earth gives us guns with 25 rounds per mag. I would really like a mg primary
@@thesovietduck2121 well the colonial marines are also just regular people.
but their rifles are SCI-Fi black magic.
so those mags could be filled with anything.
and you can easily make the same argument for HD2, if you wanna go that direction in terms of weapon design.
Yeah not to mention it's....pretty idiotic to have the equivalent of futuristic 5.56 for our main weapon and have nothing capable of penetrating heavy armor....which doesn't make sense for the Terminids where you should easily chip away at the armor and for automatons should just need to use things like the recoiless in the tail and boom.
@@thesovietduck2121halo 1 assault rifle was right from the beginning
I think its like 99 per magazine?
They do a really good job nerfing the fun out of the game
Players can optimize the fun out of the game for themself.
Nerfheavy devs can optimize the fun out of the gane for everyone.
@@somederp8915 not really
nerf heavy devs don't ruin games
nerf heavy devs that suck at balancing do
there are games that do frequent balance changes well
Game is still fun imo
@@behind_you6577 ac6 is a good example
I heard there’s a mining company hiring people that’s good with a gun to help mine in a planet that’s full of bugs
Rock and Stone
If you don't Rock and Stone you ain't coming home!
WE'RE RICH!!!
Rock and Stone, to the bone! FOR KARL!!!
When you Rock and Stone, yer never alone
SO LET IT BE WAR, FROM THE SKIES OF TERRA TO THE GLACTIC RIM
LET THE SEAS BOIL, LET THE STARS FALL
THOUGH IT TAKES THE LAST DROP OF MY BLOOD, I WILL SEE THE GALAXY FREED ONCE MORE
AND IF I CAN NOT SAVE IT FROM YOU FAILURE FATHER, THEN LET THE GALAXY BURN
WE NEVER WANTED THIS. WE NEVER WANTED TO UNLEASH DOWNVOTES. TOGETHER, WE BANISHED THE IGNORANCE OF TRIPLE A STUDIOS. BUT YOU BETRAYED US, YOU BETRAYED THE GAMERS. YOU NERFED OUR GUNS AND LIED TO YOUR COMMUNITY. GAMERS HAVE ONLY ONE CHANCE TO PROSPER, IF YOU WILL NOT SEIZE IT, THEN WE WILL.
KILL MAIM BURN, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, FOR KHORNE!
THE SONY HERESY..
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, FOR KHORNE!
Pretty sure I'm 10,000 years early
Watching the devs fight the bots during the live stream, now that was my last nail in the coffin
Was is that bad ?
@kurrrwaboyyt4699 they used napalm and incendiary breakers on tanks and didn't even hit the week points. Also, I don't believe they beat any difficulty pass 4, but I could be wrong
@@SaukeChase26wow they are the real casuals that dont even play to win just play… meanwhile they tell us whats right meanwhile we hold the say to their money
@@SaukeChase26 Okay wait, incendiary breaker on a tank is dumb as hell...but I have to ask. Did they use napalm before or after nerfing fire weapons for the warbond? Because if it was after, MAN that'd be REALLY DUMB. Also, really like how difficult focused they are, and yet they play so badly they can't even breach difficulty five. jfc
@@stabbykinz1446 believe the update they were playing was before escalation
Unless they pull a No man’s sky they’re done.
They’re busy inventing the “reverse no man sky” :/
Yea what no man's sky did was amazing it was a good comeback for that game
Nah man I don't see that happening.
Last game that tried to pull that it's publisher, EA, pulled the plug on that thing.
I'm talking about Anthem, the iron man simulator Disney wishes they could have made.
That game had so much potential to be great. And EA let it die despite all the hype for an update like NMS Next.
They might idk though
It doesn't help the game's case that a lot of the fun/interesting content they added was only a limited-time-only event related thing
I loved the TCS tower mission from like four months ago, it was a fun diversion from the normal mission structure, but it's gone now, alongside all the time and effort that went into making it that could have been put towards more permanent additions (or fixing the bugs)
If they kept giving us new stuff then I wouldn't mind the seasonal things, but like the weapon nerfs, Arrowhead takes things away without giving back.
@@Myder_Dragon thoes devs just force "cinematic" moment into your mouth - like they want you to has no ammo and fight for your life and use all that crapy stratagems and crap like knife xD its just sad.
The only option back then that felt viable was to run and do objective and run, the rail gun and breaker lets you actually at least fight. It’s like they’re trying to have less of the “special task force” fantasy and more of the “grunt” fantasy
That seems to be what's happened. People fell in love with the power fantasy horde-clear-in-a-blaze-of-glory game that they accidentally made, and now they want to turn it back into an unsurvivable horrors of war experience.
Grunt fantasy describes it perfectly, i think that's what they said too
If you're considering the fact that the Helldivers are probably worth less to Super Earth than an SEAF Cadet.. The "grunt" fantasy works." Oh shit, the Democracy Officer is at my door.
It wasn't just the nerfs that have driven me away from the game.
Two other factors, that being Divers who never leave the bug front(or terminid purists as I call them) never grasping the idea that the bots are designed to be approached with different tactics, and of course the behavior of the Community Managers in the official Discord server.
I haven't played since late June because of those 3 factors,
But a *new* factor has to be these "meatriders" as you call them.
You can provide all these valid arguments as to why AH's decisions have been horrible and actually have negatively effected their game, and the meatriders will always, without fail, say these 3 things:
"gIt GuD"
"YouR a HeLlWiNEr"
"pLaY SomEThiNG eLsE"
...in the most smug, ego-boosting attitudes I can imagine, acting as if those cess-pool water remarks make AH's incompetence suddenly non-existent.
And no shit I'm gonna play a different game.
I went back to Deep Rock Galactic when it's 5th season released and had a blast because Ghost Ship Games, the Devs, know better than to take fun out of the equation.
what is deep rock galactic?
Dude i feel that. Tired of those fuckers
@@pokebreeder2517 ROCK AND STONE
sorry i want to actually play the game and not run away and lie on the ground every time i see an enemy, if i wanted that id go play mgsv
MGS V is more fun than this, the guns are fairly balanced but you’re discouraged to use them with the “devil” mechanic and instead, the game encourages you to be sneaky with tranquilizers.
This comes from someone who loves the gameplay of MGS V but hates its open-world nature, I never got to the final missions because I grew too bored from the open-world and lazy side-quests.
Starting to feel the game was good on accident.
It was, they had a specific idea in mind, something like a meat grinder where you go and die and are supposed to just enjoy dying over and over again. Not being sarcastic! D&D has a few games and campaigns that are meant to be played this way and are really fun!
Problem is the game turned out to be an amazing horde shooter AND the progression was made to work like a power fantasy horde shooter.
So they accidentally made the game we wanted and are now struggling to make the game they envisioned, taking away what we liked.
@@mornemauvais5873they should give us like 100 reinforcements then, helldivers 1 was good because the level ended if no one was alive and you could call pretty much infinite reinforcements witj cooldown. It was more fun than helldivers 2 too
@@mornemauvais5873 they should of pulled what the dbd devs did and completely change how the game is envisioned
@@mornemauvais5873I doubt that, HD1 on higher diffiiculties absolutely swarmed you with enemies theyve done it before but with a constant number of players always adjusting to those few, I dont think the games size helped them
It was overhyped like many games these days then people go back to playing destiny 2 or fortnight 😂
Damn, this game sure as a funny way of showing democracy
We are democratically telling them that we don't like their game
Xd inflation
They are democratically ignoring yall @@Myder_Dragon
It would be such a power move by devs to just... let the bots overrun SuperEarth. "We get it, we fucked up. the show is over".
more like "we make the money now that all the player left we can shut the server down and bag what left"
@@Rat_Fบcker pretty much seems that way. A giant heist "let's piss off the players so bad they quit and we keep all the money"
@Rat_Fบcker
then let arrowhead go down in history as the people that fumbled helldivers 2. if they want to accept defeat and let this potential mark of greatness go down as a shameful stain on their reputation then by all means. I’m only out $40 and I don’t care what they do with this game anymore.
@@John-rq6lr I already knew it's about to be bad when the game launch everyone praise how there is no MT in this game, it's never gonna work for Live services game they need to pay for server and update development, what ever plan they have it's over now AH lose alot of potential customer for their future game if they ever get to make one
@@John-rq6lrFunny joke, if anything the investors will just see “Helldiver 2 flopped this IP is not profitable”.
Keep in mind you this is a non-competitive co-op game so there's no reason the Nerf anything
30,000+ complaints from the terminid community
I hope AH has those Super Earth maps ready, because were calling the shots now.
yeah they dont...joel will not allow this to happend
keep dreaming bud, you ain't calling any shots at all lmao have a nice one big dog
@@g3ar75 did you kiss ass of devs today? you betta move it boi other 50 asskissers are lineing up on discord allready.
Yeah if you actually played the game you'd know we are pushing the bots back CONSISTENTLY
They wont let it happen sadly. They’d probably have Joel just tweak the numbers for each completion, or just automatically make the MO win.
Never in my life have i seen a game that was a cult classic masterpiece with an EXTREMELY loyal and fun fandom somehow fumble and drown and drop and weaken and collapse and die then rot in the span of a couple of months bro 😭 how incompetent do you have to be as a game dev to let that happen?
Its not the developers per se.. whoever is managing the game is why its like this
Coming back after a few months see the community Horus Heresy'ing arrowhead because of a flamethrower nerf is probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while
Helldivers 2 made me realize just how amazing BG3 actually is and how much more enjoyable it is with friends. I also can't wait for Vermintide versus to come up soon! The next beta is around the corner and everyone who requests access on Steam - even those who don't own the game at all - get access to it too. FatShark has it's problems, but at least they don't loathe their players or games.
Not sure if you remember what darktides launch was like 😂
@@stormjet814 I am painfully aware, I was there. Still hurts. Darktide is a game I want to love, but FatShark has the problem of being extremely slow and a bit incompetent at times. Vermintide 2 is dining fine, Darktide is fighting for scraps. I personally say that Darktide is still just in the open beta until we get the crafting, which will be the point I will return to that game and not a day sooner. At least the cash shop gets regular updates, eh?
Arrowhead on the other hand isn't just incompetent, but actively malicious and has borderline player loathing policies, as well as greedy decision making with every nerf just before the next warbond, that got my book so full of grudges, even if they fixed everything they screwed up, it would not be enough to bring me back.
I'll come back under 3 conditions
-if they fix everything (or at least the vast majority) of clear mistakes they've made, for which they were called out
-when they give us the promised cape
-removal of the region lock, over 170 countries can't get the game anymore and the account linking was merely delayed, not stopped, mark my words!
Never going to happen? What a shame, guess I'll play other games then. Space Marine 2 is looking rather juicy.
i have never played helldivers and even i can see how much of a screw up this is. devs struck gold and then made a giant turd with it
At this point I hope they change their approach to balancing, if not they will eventually fail to keep the community focused on it. Space marine 2 is around the corner and if then everybody plays that, they have plenty of time to buff weapons. If they don’t change anything soon, helldivers 2 will be one of those games that had a super strong start but a pathetic and avoidable downfall. Sad to see a game with huge potential going down this path
your pfp perfectly discrbes how I view helldivers 2
"The Helldivers community has gone from coping, to crashing out."
DAMN STRAIGHT!
Kinda weird seeing myself in a video
I think, if Arrowhead released an update that truly fixed EVERYTHING, it would bring everyone back. Imagine being one of those players, hearing about the previous update being okay but not good enough and not coming back. But the most recent update fixing EVERYTHING, and everyone agreeing on it being good. That'd bring back a lot of people. But I'm not sure Arrowhead can do that.
Here's a little problem I don't hear anyone else addressing: The Plasma Rifle's shots not doing enough damage to one-shot headshot bots. It's supposed to do like, 100 Direct Damage and 150 Explosive, right? Well for some reason, even standard Troopers often survive a headshot from it. And it didn't used to be this way. Arrowhead is so bad at managing their spaghetti code, so bad at merging updates, that whenever they touch one thing, another thing is broken. Or a broken thing that was fixed is brought back.
Another thing I've noticed just last night, Detector Towers seem to be broken. Me and my buddies were playing on Difficulty 7, Detector Tower sees us as we land but we break line of sight. Well, despite it not seeing us, and looking away from us, Bot Drops continued to be called down by it. Even when there weren't any Bot Drops being called in by troopers, there was a steady stream of Dropships coming in and dropping near constant Troopers, Devastators, Berzerkers, and Hulks. Which admittedly made things a little more interesting, but more importantly, frustrating.
Funny part is, a lot of the nerfs were put in due to bugs. Arc thrower and railgun nerf were due to a bug with a console player in the lobby suddenly making guns do way more damage than they should.
Reminds me when I was coding for a small project one of the collaborators created a weapon however it was buggy and always hit twice, so they halved its damage, then they fixed the bug which meant the weapon only hit once so it practically got gutted
Just straight up Horus Heresy, we got Chaos Divers now.
Don’t forget they never gave a cape on that boycott time when Sony banned certain countries access and required psn to login.
As a warhammer fanatic.
Space marine 2 looks like a fantastic reason to jump ships and never look back.
And if you'll indulge me, i'm going to go on a rant.
my biggest issue with the helldivers isn't the weapon balance, that comes in close second.
No my biggest issue. *Is the community*
I have never seen a community as pious and stubborn as this community.
Any criticism is immediately flash flooded with an avalanche of shiny knights, all chanting them same tired lines like a cult motto "YoU JuSt WaNt eVeRy WeApOn To BE OvErPoWerEd"
its honestly admirable how consistent they are in their allegiance to a corporation.
A company, which very existence relies on siphoning money out of your pockets.
AH's monetization may be more "fair" than others in the industry (the fact that that's even a valid statement is soul crushing, how far we've fallen) BUT it does not change the fact.
AH is a corporation. not your friend.
they have a job, their job is to provide you with product you are satisfied with.
and if you're reading this, you're either a knight writing an essay to strike me down right now.
or you're like me, and you know they're failing you.
go support better products. Be free.
yeah I'm waiting for Space Marine 2, from what I've seen it actually is a horde shooter where the meta isn't "avoid all enemy encounters if you want to win in our horde shooter game"
@@Stormyy6310 For the glory of the god emperor honorable battle brother.
I'm waiting so hard for space marine 2 to come out. I just hope it's better than this (it looks really fun)
It would be so cool if super earth is a human planet in the age of the great crusade
One of the chapters find it in a state of takeover by either Xenos, Xenos, or the mechanicus detachment of automatons (which would make it SUPER COOL if super earth gets taken over and a primarch like ferrus manus walks in, and kills the leaders and subjugates the population)
I may be an essay knight, but I recognize another brother in the god emperor when I see one.
FOR THE EMPEROR DEATH DEATH DEATH!
They said they nerfed the ammo count for the incindiary breaker because it was being used 30% of the time for bug missions, thats a pretty low percentage to be nerfing something
I'm sure the ban wave that happened awhile ago because the mods had their feelings hurt doesn't help
Alright then, kinda happy I didn't jump on the hype train and waited for a sale.
Helldivers is pretty much a shitty girlfriend.
Let Super Earth burn in the name of the Emperor...
What's worse, I didn't have a chance to play seriously.
My old PC can only play at 11 fps and that doesn't allow me to progress. No matter what the situation, I would stay ahead and save up for a new PC, unfortunately such news makes me sad, all the work, hope and history that kept me playing this game are abandoned before new players arrive.
it doesn't matter anyway even 5,000$ PC can barely run this garbage optimusation have been problem since launch and it getting worse every patch
@@Rat_Fบcker i'm a fan of Hunt Showdown. After the "1896 uptade" I can not Play.
Yea agree with you there
...Holy fuck. I walked away from the game for a week and it all went to hell.
Fuck Sony.
Fix your crap, Arrowhead.
My last straw was when they needlessly nerfed the eruptor. It was so fun to use, but they made it useless, effectively turning me off the game completely.
When I got Helldivers 2, like a month after release, it was the best thing that has happened to me in a very long time. The community was accepting and fun. The game was beginner-friendly and fun. Helldivers 2 was awesome incarnate. Now, it's but a shadow of it's former self. It's sad seeing the downfall of a literal wonder.
you are spittin FAX here sir. its litterally all just common sense on why things are not working we shouldt even have to explain but the fact that we do and they dont listen tell you everything. FUCK AH YOU KILLED THE GAME.
Sony is killing themselves, like this is the golden opportunity for microsoft to make a Helldiver inspired Halo OSDT
Man, I got nothing to add. It's all there, and it's good to finally hear someone talking about it with some anger and emotion instead of carefully stepping on eggshells while doing rundowns of the latest goings on. At this point I'm curious to see how long the meat-riders can endure before they crack as well.
I personally think space marine 2 will be the best to happen to helldivers. The players will be distracted while the devs can hopefully get their shit together without all the pressure. Maybe I’m coping, maybe the game is dead, but I truly believe that this game has a chance, I still think it’s fun and I will keep playing regardless of the nerfs.
This is like a great time to have a temporary PvP event, where some helldivers refuse to fight and and invade super earth, and loyal helldivers to defend super earth, driven to a complete civil war
I just think it would be a great idea since the community is slowly being cut in half from quiting the war and continuing it
Seeing the dev struggle of dif 6 against the bots as someone who solos helldives against them was infuriating.
The fact I have 300 hours in the game, and they seemingly have less than 30, yet they’re the ones who decide the balance is ridiculous.
3:15 my wife to me when i tell her for the 98357th time i'll stop drinking and driving
this is why i became a space marine after a successful mining career
Couldn't even apply to be a diver and they're already rebelling, super earth might be doomed and i didnt even get a chance to earn some credits.
It's a tough one. On the one hand spread sheets should be an amazing tool to balance a game, knowledge is power. On the other hand, just nerfing something because a lot of people are using it is dumb. Then you have the internal balance questions like "is everyone using this because it's OP, or everything else is weak?" Because either one can force a meta. If a gun is too good, everyone will use it because it works; if every other gun sucks, everyone will also still use that gun just because it works. This means you HAVE to buff the worst options, otherwise you'll never know if the top stuff is actually OP and stealing playtime from your other options.
That said, it's clear that they're setting up the balance to be as frustrating as possible. You don't set your damage to be 5 less than the relevant breakpoints if you're not trying to be annoying. I really don't want to shoot a third 100 damage attack to deal that last 5 damage. Not to mention just HOW MANY levers and switches they've added to their damage equations, it's no wonder they keep having damage bugs.
It's sad to see them.let it slip out of there hands because they are too attached to an idea
Nowadays half the time im not even playing helldivers im playing ragdoll sim. Literally every attack in this game puts you in hitstun and being hitstun in tier 8+ is basically a deathsentence
I've got to know, am I the only one that quit after they took the bot win from us? We beat the bots and the bots came back like two or three days later.. They could of gave us 2 or three weeks to let us revel in victory, but they made our victory meaningless. I felt like there was no point in playing after that. What am I playing for if it's just going to mean nothing? What is my goal? 2 or three weeks is all I ask, that's all I ask. What's so wrong with having no bots to fight for two or three weeks, or no bugs to fight for two or three weeks, or god forbid we do so great that there is nothing to fight for one or two weeks because we tore a new hole for them and they won't be walking straight on either side of the battle field for a while. Would they really lose so much from that? It would be so much more immersive to make us feel like we had a victory!! It would be so great! But everything felt pointless and worthless after that. I had no interest in playing anymore, I tried, I thought maybe it was just me, but no matter how much I kept trying to play or who I played with it felt so boring, like nothing I'd do would have any meaning.
The bots were gone for like a week and a half my guy, though was surprised they even let us wipe them out, was expecting the third faction to drop right as they attacked the last planet.
They didn’t “take away the bot win” the entire time we were “eliminating them” the story in the mission briefings were giving us a ton of hints that they were coming back. Honestly did you think they would have made an entire faction just to never use them again like a month in?
Okay that background footage was just brutal, and a great example as to why I stopped playing this game months ago. It’s a stress simulator, it kills you over and over again for no reason and there’s nothing you can do about it, no matter how skilled of a gamer you are. I love the idea of this game, but I do not want to actually play it.
They keep nerfing weapons for the sake of other weapons, but it just ends up funneling us into other weapons, which will eventually be nerfed until we're actually using nerf guns with foam projectiles on the enemies.
Still delisted 177 countries from access to Helldivers 2. We jump together or not at all.
Dont be sorry about being negative about this game. Cuz this all the trust we had in this game is gone, obliterated, turned to dust.
I knew this would happen. People kept bragging about the dev's "based" responses to balancing issues and I knew that those kind of responses could easily escalate to "toxic".
This isn't a rant.
This is pure spitting facts.
I swear to god this is the worst dev cycle I've seen.
Arrowhead should be actually ashamed of themselves for being so damn ignorant. Like you said, this isn't Sony, this isn't anything but them.
And I will say this only once:
A message to all those saying "git gud"... Sincerely, Fuck You.
Nothing about this is "git gud" when even the best of the best are quitting. EVEN THE DEVS DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THEIR OWN GAME.
Stop defending these idiots.
It feels like you have a flare gun against every faction and the enemy is 2x as strong and once you go to lv 25 you can’t get any new stratagems
Remember when shit got good
Maybe it will turned sour like an apple rotting away if not taken properly
1:21 that is the most real statement abt this game I’ve heard yet, I wish they would stop nerfing unless something actually is overpowered but nothing has been THAT good yet anyway
Bro i am so done with helldivers i am back to playing Darktide
FUCKING DARKTIDE!
Is darkside actually good? I heard people say it's fun I heard people say it's bad. I don't have a Xbox or PC to play it on so I dunno
@@orgenriggen4568 you should play it. It’s super fun.
@@orgenriggen4568 Good game; weapon/lvl grinding is a bit lengthy, but outside of that the combat and weapons actually *w o r k*
If you care about drip, however you gonna have to make an investment or two.
The drip you can earn for free is mostly mid imo.
Man, feels like a neat idea for a movie or a book: a platoon of soldiers tasked with defending earth spends so much time in space bonding as a squad that they decide to get rid of all the bullshit and corruption of Earth and let the invasors win and clean house.
Traitor Diver
Honesty I've never been more disappointed with a game before especially after launch it seemed like a extremely promising new game and i even went through the bureaucratic hell of making a new PSN account and logging in with it which took HOURS BECAUSE SONY'S STUPID WEBSITE DIDN'T SAVE MY NEW PASSWORD! but i was willing to look past that and just have fun and in the end i did but anything that strives to be eternal is doomed to fail eventually because ideas go dry and i mean just look at the modern Simpsons episodes they've done so much already that they're out of most fresh good ideas the same could probably be said for helldivers 2 I'm just surprised it fell out of favor with most people including me after only about just under a year after launch maybe arrowhead really wasn't great and their discord mods definitely aren't from what I've heard now helldivers 2 is just one of those games build upon broken promises the very thing people though it counteracted by seemingly listening at first
meanwhile mr former CEO is shitting his pants at how hard the team is fumbling.
Let the war end if the devs are making having fun in the war suck ass. I'm going to say it for everyone very simply: Devs fucked up the fun recipe more than 8 times now. We are sick of them dropping the ball like a bad sports player.
Sony and arrowhead had a Halo-level game franchise just waiting, and they managed to fumble it in record time. This needs to be studies in business courses on gross mismanagement.
People vastly overstating the scope of the nerfs... Much bigger issues with the game like performance and stability.
Yea but its the whole thing of saying they learned their lesson yet keep doing it. While also making the enemies stronger.
Also its better they stop now and not continue to do it. Like,can u imagine they just nerf everything else too?
When does it end? How many weapons will it take to get nerfed until its enough?
I guess that is part of the problem, instead of fixing actual issues with the game, they patch the fun out of it. Like you would think fixing technical issues and such, should have way, way higher priority (especially in a PvE game) than doing anything about balance.
because we know they aren't capable enough to optimize the game so we hope the game will atleast be fun but when the fun get taken out it's over
man come on I've always wanted to play this game and now I'm watching it die before my very eyes
I mean you remember what the community manager was saying right? They made it sound like the players are the bad guys so of course they don't want the game to be fun for players, only for the devs
They’ve given a nerf out to just about every playstyle you could find.
The game was supposed to be about the freedom to choose what you want to use in combat, and for anything to be viable.
But they have this Rock Paper Scissors idea of how we should use our strategems and weapons, which funnels us into playing the same way every game
not sure AH betrayed their community, as most of the people who jumped in on HD2 as their first AH game and didn't know any previous one existed weren't their community. The wider HD2 "community" isn't the AH community that they've had for a long while and had massively mismatched expectations. They wanted EDF but with helldivers coat of paint, not helldivers but in 3rd person.
now, that's not saying there's not big issues the game needs to solve and change as there absolutely is. It's just the community is largely made of people who aren't actually the intended audience
kinda dumb bc the box art says "fight impossible odds with overpowered weapons" but it feels like they want players to live the "crying and shitting in your pants in a trench with a broken down gun, 1 half empty mag while an army of terminators are walking towards you"
i love how the video ends with you flying off into the sunset like team fucking rocket
Reported to local democracy officer
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what are they gonna do shoot me with their nerf gun?
3:59 Well there's your problem. You hoped. Hope is the first step on t he road to disappointment.
As much as I hate the damn changes…I’d never let those fucking bots take our freedom and liberty…hopping on tonight
Bro just end it, you know is bad when super earth goverment is even worse than bugs and cyborgs, like they want to win a war nerfing your weapons lmao
wut is dis 1:40
Changing his RUclips video
bro's playing youtube in the background while recording and alt-tabbed
It's amazing how much they killed player morale by nerfing all the fun.
It hurt me when i accepted that this game had its hope and potential ripped out of its throat, looks like I'm now fighting for the emperor.
If Democracy fails you, ask yourself, "What would Karl do?"
Arrowhead saw the masterpiece they made, then dropped the ball. I didn't buy the game because I didn't have the money, and when I heard "escalation of freedom" I thought that day is the day I'll get the game, but then I heard the nerfs and the mistreatment of the fans.
"A game made for no one is a game made for everyone" should be changed to "A game made for the devs isn't a game made for the players"
I keep getting launched out of the map by the tentacle monster
Imagine being on the front lines and command keep cutting ammunition budget even when you are already lacking firepower.
This is how playing HD2 feels like.
I sincerely hope that in the coming years we can all look back on the launch year as being the only bad one, just like BF4…
All this is happening right before we get the new space marine game (witch, I've been told is similar to helldivers, i dont actually no for sure) basically makes the death of helldivers certain.
remember when we all thought that helldivers was such a game changer for being a game that was fun while not having obnoxious microtransactions?
somehow i suspected that the fun wouldt last but this is one of the sadder ways for this potential gem to tarnish and crumble into irrelevancy
I stopped playing when Sony decided to put their grubby hands on the game and force PSN down our throats.
Thought to myself "Ah such a shame to arrowhead. They really rock and did nothing wrong. Their publisher is just an ass"
And suddenly...
"ARROWHEAD! SUPER EARTH! WHERE THE F*** IS MY DAKKA!" -the thought that pops up in my head
i will never understand how they fuuicked up so much, the comunnity was entirely on their side and they took that away from themsevles. in the end tho, im kinda sad as this was truly and amazing game
That’s why I never get into a game on day 1, always wait a few months, hell a year, to see what game they really wanted to make. You can’t trust this industry
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