REP Omni Rack Review: What's the Difference?!

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024

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  • @BasementBrandon
    @BasementBrandon 3 года назад +137

    Thanks for using a picture that makes it look like I lift.

    • @MetalsForBrunch
      @MetalsForBrunch 3 года назад +13

      Missed opportunity for Coop to show pics of your small hands holding a bar as well. 🤣

    • @BasementBrandon
      @BasementBrandon 3 года назад +10

      @@MetalsForBrunch spoiler alert, no such footage exists.

    • @GarageGymReviews
      @GarageGymReviews  3 года назад +40

      You’re welcome. I’m trying to not stoop to your level and compare the hands of a two year old to that of a full grown, absolute yoked man.

    • @MetalsForBrunch
      @MetalsForBrunch 3 года назад +1

      @@BasementBrandon 🤣👍

    • @MetalsForBrunch
      @MetalsForBrunch 3 года назад +5

      @@GarageGymReviews love your content from both of you guys. It's hilarious 🤣😆

  • @kevins6246
    @kevins6246 3 года назад +44

    I'm not even in the market for most of the equipment Coop reviews but I still like to watch them. Keep up the good work Coop. 👍

  • @SimonLi
    @SimonLi 3 года назад +45

    Watching to support don’t need another rack 😂

  • @ben_the_me1037
    @ben_the_me1037 3 года назад +4

    It seems like coop has stepped up his editing. Great job keep it up! Thank you so much you helped me start a home gym and you’re right having one is the best

  • @sarek8472
    @sarek8472 5 месяцев назад +1

    Update with the Omni if you add to make it a six post and have the lap roll you gained about 10 inches more back in four space because the post pushes back into it.

  • @rodolfomedini9931
    @rodolfomedini9931 3 года назад +9

    Two videos in two days. NICE! Micrometer/ digital caliper is the name of the tool by the way.

    • @ForTehNguyen
      @ForTehNguyen 3 года назад +9

      digital caliper, micrometers are much more precise and purely mechanical

    • @eldontyrell4361
      @eldontyrell4361 3 года назад

      Vernier calliper I think. Micrometers are more for machinists and stuff as they’re supremely precise but normally have pretty small size capabilities.

  • @andrewchristman8523
    @andrewchristman8523 3 года назад +12

    Back to back video releases?! He’s a machine!

  • @marcushaberling5507
    @marcushaberling5507 3 года назад +1

    Taste Testing racks is the sort of in depth analysis that subscribers to this channel crave.

  • @DanesinTexas
    @DanesinTexas 3 года назад +10

    Looks nice...Just wished they wouldn’t use smaller hardware to attach uprights to base 🤨

  • @Lmtz1544
    @Lmtz1544 3 года назад +3

    Been looking everywhere for a review of this rack and it comes the day after I ordered a rogue rack haha

    • @Rocket4ce
      @Rocket4ce 3 года назад +1

      Good for you. You got lucky

    • @hitleractually8180
      @hitleractually8180 3 года назад +1

      Enjoy the Rogue rack. Everything I've ordered from Rogue has been nothing short of outstanding, in terms of quality and if I weren't working out in a basement with low ceilings, I would have purchased a Rogue rack. But Rogue doesn't make racks with 80 inch uprights and REP does. So, I ordered the PR 4000 and got all my attachments for it, from Rogue. The attachments are of vastly superior quality to the rack, itself.

  • @scooobydoo27
    @scooobydoo27 3 года назад +3

    Great review. I've been thinking about putting a squat rack in the home in the future, so space is definitely an issue and it won't be bolted down. Sounds like this might be a better option than the ordinary PR-5000.

  • @parkerrish9024
    @parkerrish9024 3 года назад +1

    Awesome. I love how you went into detail. This channel is awesome for preventing you from buying something you may not necessarily need.

  • @tabularasa820
    @tabularasa820 3 года назад +1

    Another great review. Could you make a video on the best garage gym equipment for those that want to build a gym, but still need to park in their garage? Large racks like this are great, but folding racks, wall mounting strength equip, portability, folding, and store-ability matter to many viewers who would like to optimize their gym, while maintaining their car parking.

  • @humbertoramirez358
    @humbertoramirez358 3 года назад +3

    Picked up the Omni 30” version in blue. Wanted to start out with half rack and see if I want to expand it at some. I think that’s a great option. I initially wanted a PR5000 but it was only available in mismatched colors.

    • @squealer42
      @squealer42 3 года назад

      Yeah, that color is calling to me, too / I'm about to pull the trigger.
      Does yours taste like blue raspberry, or more of an Alpine mist?

    • @humbertoramirez358
      @humbertoramirez358 3 года назад

      squealer definitely misty

  • @moresizemoreguys9747
    @moresizemoreguys9747 3 года назад

    Been watching your videos non stop these last weeks man. Great content!

  • @metode8408
    @metode8408 3 года назад +2

    Thats why i have notifications on!

  • @Mr-mopar
    @Mr-mopar 2 года назад

    Just purchased my rep 5000 today..thanks coop

  • @samwroblewski748
    @samwroblewski748 3 года назад

    Thanks for name dropping Griffin fitness. Their base model is pretty sweet.

  • @jongumiran1286
    @jongumiran1286 3 года назад +1

    Can you review the inspire commercial half rack

  • @dirtyfilthyrottenstinkinpa835
    @dirtyfilthyrottenstinkinpa835 3 года назад

    The shipping is going up from Rep as well. I recently had to choose between a Rogue half rack setup with spotter arms or a PR-4000 with some swing in style safeties. While the PR-4000 was a cheaper retail price the shipping tipped the scales towards Rogue by A LOT.

  • @alexsaulcastillocruz2589
    @alexsaulcastillocruz2589 3 года назад

    Amazing review man! And back to back That's crazy

  • @MohammadDakkak
    @MohammadDakkak 3 года назад +1

    Awesome review man! Definitely a good looking rack but I’ll be keeping my PR 5000 🙌🏻

  • @joecowan3719
    @joecowan3719 3 года назад

    Been waiting for this one, thanks Coop!

  • @alivideo403
    @alivideo403 3 года назад +1

    I want PR 5000 in White. Problem with REP is that they rarely have the right color combination. If you can find uprights in the color of your choice, then crossmembers are not available. Besides, the price difference between REP and Rogue is deminishing. I would just go with Rogue.

  • @alexbarrientos3391
    @alexbarrientos3391 3 года назад +7

    Still don’t see why anyone would get this over the PR-5000. It’s the exact same just this has a flat foot design, and it looks to be more expensive then the 5000.

    • @austinsmith680
      @austinsmith680 3 года назад +2

      I think its better compared to the HR-5000 than to the PR-5000. With the HR-5000 you have bolt-on band pegs top and bottom along with a shorter cross member. With the HR-5000 you can't expand but with the Omni you can.
      Changing band post design was a better move from the bolt-on option and getting rid of the overhead band pegs gives more space for the ISO arms and overhead movements. You can also expand the Omni rack out to accept more accessories later like the belt or lat pull. Instead of having to buy a brand new rack you can just update yours.

    • @janosbojthe8086
      @janosbojthe8086 3 года назад +1

      Exactly. Uprights bolted down to the flat foot... it's not that stable. Basically the bolts are taking the heavy lifting. I don't understand at all why REP came out with this rack. REP has the longest front foot on the market (26" vs Rogue's 13"). Nothing makes more stable a rack than those front feet. And you can set them up for all 4 uprights. REP may have some 'leftover' uprights and crossovers and don't want to waste them.

    • @squealer42
      @squealer42 3 года назад

      One good reason = In stock.
      Second rule of fight club = ....

  • @marksimmons5839
    @marksimmons5839 3 года назад

    I got this, My reasoning was that although its almost redundant to the 5000 rack, it was in stock. Nothing else is so why not? Steel prices are rising so you gotta act quick!

  • @cmart7773
    @cmart7773 3 года назад

    Sorinex had those hybrid half racks back in the ealry 2000s. My high school got them in 2000 I believe. I ended up finding one off Craigslist for 350$ (including the matching bench) in phx when Arizona st upgraded their weight room. I've had it for the last 10 years until I upgraded to the rep pr 5000 last year. Its a cool concept and feels good to lift in.

  • @drewphifer4684
    @drewphifer4684 3 года назад

    I would love to see you review the Titan tall yoke. Especially its usability as a rack when you add J cups and spotter arms. Seems like it might be a good home gym option for saving money and space

  • @fiftyshadesofurban
    @fiftyshadesofurban 2 года назад +1

    It seems to me the flat feet would be better on the floor than the 4 post design if you don't bolt it down or have it on concrete.. Lets say you drop the bar by accident on the safeties or the straps.. with the 4 or 6 post that don't have the flat feet, all of that force is coming down on six really small surface area points.. It's like six very small beams being thrust very hard down onto what it's sitting on..
    So like I have 5mm rubber mats covering a hardwood floor, and I'm renting. I would feel a lot more comfortable with the flat foot design, because if you accidentally drop the bar then all that force is being redistributed into two very long points of impact and it's a slapping action, as opposed to a stabbing action.
    You can test this right now with your own hand and body.. Take a finger point it out and then ram your finger into your bicep.. Now with the same amount of force, slap your bicep with your palm. You will notice the finger is much more painful and potentially damaging than the palm.

    • @s.z.2271
      @s.z.2271 Год назад

      I'm definitely NOT an engineer, but would the crossmembers (PR-4000 or PR-5000) not help with the force impact even though they are not flat on the ground?

  • @CommonLion
    @CommonLion 3 года назад

    Definitely getting this for a half rack. I really like the hr5000 but was sold out. Thanks coop.

    • @ConnorRianHickey
      @ConnorRianHickey 2 года назад

      I don’t understand this what does he mean by use it as a half rack, use the outside of it? Why?

  • @FLAman-jq6rx
    @FLAman-jq6rx 2 года назад

    Well I just ordered the Omni rack wish I would have saw this beforehand but I don't want to bolt it down so I guess it is what it is

  • @toddekramer
    @toddekramer 3 года назад

    I dig the Sumo-style rack...squat, bench, and storage all in a more compact package.

  • @Huddy24
    @Huddy24 2 года назад +1

    Coop, do you know when/if this rack will be back on the market?

  • @JonBusey
    @JonBusey Год назад

    I ordered this rack, with 6 posts and the weight storage, but they sent me 2 bases, and 4 posts. I have the cross members to connect two more posts, but don't have them for the second base. I also got 2 pull up bars, so I'm just a few items short of two racks. Since they didn't want this back when support (finally) recognized the error, I'm mapping out how to use my space efficiently and add a whole second rack.

    • @koolrgap5578
      @koolrgap5578 9 месяцев назад

      This sounds great, and it’s compatible w Titan series racks. Did you figure it out?

  • @lukea2806
    @lukea2806 3 года назад +6

    Coop, where’s the Fitness Reality rack review?

    • @GarageGymReviews
      @GarageGymReviews  3 года назад +11

      On the edit floor. Coming soon!

    • @lukea2806
      @lukea2806 3 года назад

      @@GarageGymReviews hell yes

    • @lukea2806
      @lukea2806 3 года назад +1

      @@markandrewkoval8920 no I already have the rack, I just wanna see coop review it😂

    • @Revrider92
      @Revrider92 3 года назад

      @@GarageGymReviews I just bought the 810XLT and assembled it last week. I love it so far

  • @flyingmunky1982
    @flyingmunky1982 3 года назад +4

    I was just wondering this the other day when I was on their website. They really don't make the difference clear.

  • @15minuteworkout20
    @15minuteworkout20 3 года назад

    Thanks coop! Was wondering about the similarities.

  • @garrettbauer3813
    @garrettbauer3813 3 года назад +4

    Coop, you cannot review an Rep Omni rack without reviewing an Omni Fitness Rack. Please contact me, so we can get you hooked up with one and some other stuff for review.

  • @trumanburbank6899
    @trumanburbank6899 3 года назад

    I think a safety improvement would to use button head bolts with acorn nuts.

  • @maximusstrength157
    @maximusstrength157 3 года назад

    Great quality videos and content!!

  • @jaydubbs15
    @jaydubbs15 Год назад

    I am comparing Rogue to Rep for a garage rack that need not be bolted to the ground. Rep seems to be much more flexible in this regard. Is this merely a difference in risk between the two companies or are there bona fide design differences between the racks that enable the Rep racks to offer more options than Rogue in their no-bolt racks? Plus, I notice that Coop doesn't seem to think that any rack needs to be bolted down. Is this true? If so, why?

  • @bahamabrz
    @bahamabrz Год назад

    None of my plates are olympic plates. All have 1 1/8 inch holes. I was hoping that 1 inch weight storage pegs were available for REP racks. It would be very easy for REP to offer them, but their answer is no. That a deal breaker for me for all REP rack products.

  • @girlsdrinkfeck
    @girlsdrinkfeck 3 года назад

    modular power racks reminds me of this old kids toy we have in the UK called meccano

  • @kkent2198
    @kkent2198 3 года назад

    Please do a log bar comparison/review/recommendation.

  • @derrickchiu
    @derrickchiu 3 года назад +1

    Hey Coop what's the difference between a full rack vs half rack since you kept mentioning half rack throughout the video.

  • @Papa.BearOz
    @Papa.BearOz 3 года назад +1

    Any reviews comparing the rep ab5200 vs rogue ab 2.0 coming out?

  • @jlficken
    @jlficken 3 года назад +1

    Too bad they don't offer it with 80" uprights.

  • @antonep4721
    @antonep4721 3 года назад

    Hey coop were do u find those hitch pins and what size can i use i have a rep pr 5000 loving it so far u were the main reason for my purchase

  • @davidb1975a
    @davidb1975a 3 года назад

    I like this one. Will have to add it to my wish list.

  • @warrens4808
    @warrens4808 3 года назад

    You should do a video on how and why you use exercise bands. Does that already exist?

  • @sillysalvent961
    @sillysalvent961 3 года назад

    Aye professor coop u doing a review on the fitness reality power rack soon?

  • @JasonParham83
    @JasonParham83 3 года назад

    Coop, shoulders looking juicy man. You start the TRT?

  • @ericmad1995
    @ericmad1995 3 года назад +1

    I use a rogue dip bars and j cups on my pr 5000 I dont have a problem with them

    • @hitleractually8180
      @hitleractually8180 3 года назад +2

      I use Rogue dip bars, j-cups, hangers, safety arms, etc., on my PR 4000 and have zero issues.

  • @joeydf
    @joeydf 3 года назад +5

    The flanges on the flat feet are aesthetically unpleasant.

    • @warrens4808
      @warrens4808 3 года назад +1

      My concern is that you would stub your toes!

  • @monkeythief5
    @monkeythief5 3 года назад +1

    Rogue has already increased prices. ): They’ve done it quietly. Only if someone’s been paying attention will they have noticed. For some crossmembers I had in my cart. It was 217 for the longest time. Now it’s 235. Bars have gone up by nearly $50. It sucks.

    • @hitleractually8180
      @hitleractually8180 3 года назад +1

      Buy a Texas Power Bar. Has better knurling and the prices stay the same.

    • @monkeythief5
      @monkeythief5 3 года назад

      @@hitleractually8180 Almost all the big manufacturers have already started increasing prices. I won’t doubt if they do the same.

  • @obiwanquixote8423
    @obiwanquixote8423 3 года назад

    I really want to see someone hang a heavy bag off the side of an unbolted rack, from a Rogue Shrimp Trawler to see what it does to stability. I've seen pictures online, but I keep thinking if you hit it hard enough it's going to shift and/or tip over

  • @rodolfomedini9931
    @rodolfomedini9931 3 года назад

    HAVAK REVIEW PLEASE! Thank you in advance.

  • @kelseyblackmon676
    @kelseyblackmon676 3 года назад

    Coop!!!! Help a girl out... I’m trying to design a way to build something similar to a Nautilus Glute Drive but using components that can be built into my power rack! Maybe something with jammer arms?? I need your equipment brain!!

  • @chrisb4457
    @chrisb4457 3 года назад

    Coop, I don't do instagram, but I have a question. How much taller does the foot supports make the rack? This is important for fitting into basements and to determine if an 80" post would now be viable for taller folks.

  • @ivandelac764
    @ivandelac764 3 года назад +2

    I've started producing my own gym equipment in EU and we are using 80x80x3mm steel tubes, better than rogue ;) hehe
    Soon we are going to have our site up, and about 50-ish gym products.

    • @michaelmj1670
      @michaelmj1670 3 года назад

      What is the name of the company?

  • @futbol1972
    @futbol1972 2 года назад

    So the PR 5000 is the same as PR 5000v2. I built my rack at rep fitness its a pr5000. Iam a little confused I chose the 80" rack and 30" if I buy lat pull down attachment and stabilizer I won't need to bolt it down correct?? Will the rogue leverage arms work on this rack?
    OK this is my dilemma.🙄
    I currwntly have this set up PRX wall rack and separate valor lat pull down machine, separate rogue pull up bar, separate rogue band station with matador dip attachment and landmine (this is what I currently have right now) and many of other things.. I want the rogue arms so for that I will have to get another rack I think so I been looking at the one mentioned avobe..now if I get the pr5000 with lat pull down, rogue leverage arms, dip, land mind and pull up bar attachments I can sell all my other stuff and this way I will have everything consolidated in one rack..don't know if I will like everything cramped up in one place though🤔🤔. Or maybe just replace prx wall rack with rogue wall rack and keep everything else in separate stations like I have it now??🤔🤔

  • @temptingfate759
    @temptingfate759 3 года назад +1

    Separate subject but since you build these racks all the time...how about some install tips...leveling the floor etc...

    • @andycane007
      @andycane007 3 года назад +1

      Rogue has some rig shims that you put under the rack for leveling. But those are for the ones that you are bolting to the floor. Put the thicker version towards the slope/door and the thinner one away. I do recommend spray painting those metal parts to match your rack

    • @temptingfate759
      @temptingfate759 3 года назад

      @@andycane007 thanks!

  • @pinkypromise111
    @pinkypromise111 2 года назад

    What is a modular rack and it’s purpose ? Looking to buy one and doing my homework .

  • @thisisagmailaccount9277
    @thisisagmailaccount9277 3 года назад

    you should review the walmart EveryDay Essentials power rack. $319.56. addon a lat pulldown for $179. yea it probably doesnt hold 1000lbs and its extremely chinese but it works fine for my noodle leg squats. And its in stock.

  • @jamesallan5549
    @jamesallan5549 3 года назад

    can you review the verve rack and some of their products too?

  • @davidmakofka204
    @davidmakofka204 2 года назад

    Coop, Is there a way to configure this incorporating the lat pulldown attachment, weight storage and a 24” depth between the front uprights whereby the lat attachment does not stick out past the end of the bottom flat foot post? In other words, six posts, lat pulldown, 24” up front, but all on the depth of the bottom rail. I am limited in depth. Thanks!

  • @trumanburbank6899
    @trumanburbank6899 2 года назад

    I'm not old but it kind of reminds me of the Edsel, lol.

  • @evdb7246
    @evdb7246 2 года назад

    @garage gym reviews - so, in terns of using Rogue/Sorinex attachments on a Rep rack, sounds like it works because Rep rack is slightly smaller dimension wise than the racks that the Rogue/Sorinex attachments are meant for, correct? Any large enough compatibility or safety concerns that you'd recommend not buying the Rogue/Sorinex attachments? Safeties aside I mean.
    For example, the Sorinex J-squat or Rogue Jammer arms?

    • @evdb7246
      @evdb7246 2 года назад

      Nevermind....finished the video and got the answers to my questions - thanks!

  • @rquattro11
    @rquattro11 3 года назад

    Problem with the flat foot design is it will wobble if your floor is not even

  • @marvellstarks2434
    @marvellstarks2434 2 года назад

    Why isn't the Omni rack on their website

  • @matthewibach9896
    @matthewibach9896 3 года назад

    Yo Coop. Biggest gripe I heard about the rml r3 is the width. What about an rml r3 with a pr 4000 pull-up bar?

  • @herbal24tv
    @herbal24tv 3 года назад

    Hay coop, why doesn’t Rogue sell the power rack uprights on their own? So we can get creative and add on things. Understand they do sell the taller uprights for rigs tho.

    • @youngcouplesparty9006
      @youngcouplesparty9006 3 года назад

      They did before Covid. They are still too backed up, but you can call and ask them.

  • @RogueCylon
    @RogueCylon Год назад

    I assume that the Ares and Athena are not compatible with this rack.

  • @isaachernandez00
    @isaachernandez00 3 года назад

    Bruh u need to do a rack giveaway.. need to clear up that garage

  • @Shockeclipse
    @Shockeclipse 2 года назад

    Can't you just get square tubular steel and bolt a post rack to it for the same effect?

  • @TheDavidWalsh
    @TheDavidWalsh 3 года назад

    Wondering if the "feet" of the Omni is compatible for use with the PR5000 or PR4000 to make them more stable in a home gym if you don't mind want to bolt them to the floor. And how the sturdiness would also compare to a (non bolted down) PR4000 with the Front Feet Extensions.

  • @josephfogarty3429
    @josephfogarty3429 3 года назад

    Which is the better half rack setup for the money? Rogue HR-2 or the Omni? Outfitted the same they are similar in price.
    I also notice that the uprights are bolted straight down to the base without any side stabilization. Is this an issue for stability/durability? Also are those bolts the same 1” bolts used everywhere else on the rack? They look smaller in photos.

  • @chrisb4457
    @chrisb4457 3 года назад

    Here is the tagline:
    *If you want a modular Full Power Rack that doesn't need to be bolted to your concrete floor, this is the rack for you!*
    - or -
    *If you like the Flat Foot design of the Rogue RM-390F, this is the REP equivalent, only more modular!*

  • @squealer42
    @squealer42 3 года назад

    Cinnamon-y? Pinkish?
    Do they make one in Juicy Fruit?

  • @mickeydamani6327
    @mickeydamani6327 2 года назад

    Has the Omni Rack not been released yet? I don’t see it on their website

  • @federman8288
    @federman8288 3 года назад

    Where is the review of the SR 40000 Squat Rack?

  • @lipps9486
    @lipps9486 3 года назад

    hey coop. will the reo fitness lat pull down system fit on the rogue monster rack?

  • @JohnnyLawNews
    @JohnnyLawNews 3 года назад

    What’s the white one to the right?

  • @calisthenicsbeliever7602
    @calisthenicsbeliever7602 3 года назад

    Hey what do you think of the unipack dumbbells on Amazon that go up to 100lbs

  • @wntu4
    @wntu4 3 года назад

    I wanna know how to DIY this.

  • @jonahpenn3185
    @jonahpenn3185 2 года назад

    What do you think about the coming “Ares” factor?

  • @airgordo4
    @airgordo4 3 года назад +3

    "The most customizable rack on the market".... Also not more customizable than any other 3X3 1" rack and maybe even less so because to add on you have to use their feet pieces ate the bottom instead of normal crossmembers.

  • @calebmeyer1014
    @calebmeyer1014 3 года назад

    How much would you say the slope of your garage affects your lifting?

  • @martintk4919
    @martintk4919 3 года назад

    You're such a nerd. Love it!

  • @natalienatalie4739
    @natalienatalie4739 3 года назад

    Can you use REP cross members with Rogue uprights?

  • @danotorious504
    @danotorious504 2 года назад

    Hey Coop, where did you get the band pegs?

    • @sarek8472
      @sarek8472 2 года назад

      They come with it.

  • @VENOM-_-15
    @VENOM-_-15 3 года назад

    WHAT ARE THE NAME OF THOSE NIKE SHOES COOP IS WEARING??????!!!!

  • @jamesriley72281
    @jamesriley72281 3 года назад

    Hey Coop

  • @isaacjones9728
    @isaacjones9728 3 года назад

    Is Rep using this to replace the HR 5000?

  • @user-yc1mc4bu6q
    @user-yc1mc4bu6q Год назад

    I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B

  • @jasoncollins976
    @jasoncollins976 3 года назад

    Do I smell a Rogue monster cage review???

  • @taylormcalister3977
    @taylormcalister3977 3 года назад

    What is westside hole spacing?

  • @ketoketoketo
    @ketoketoketo 3 года назад

    These Companies Should Pay You

  • @jonathankrempasky1253
    @jonathankrempasky1253 3 года назад

    I prefer the flat

  • @Rocket4ce
    @Rocket4ce 3 года назад +1

    Yeah, Ima have to say no. It seems like a gimmick. I like my Rogue 3x4. A lot.