Thank you for the review, everyone. We value your feedback. I'd like to clarify one point: The Flat Head boots are not produced in the same factory as ours. Kiya from Self Edge requested Flat Head to replicate our boots for Self Edge after we ceased supplying Kiya due to constant payment issues. We eventually had to request Flat Head to discontinue copying our boot patterns. While we didn't invent the engineer boot, we infuse our own creativity into the design to make it uniquely ours. We kindly asked Flat Head to do the same.
I think brown boots should always have the brass buckles and the black engineer boots should always get nickel. Just looks better imo that’s how my 2 pairs were made. Just looks right. To me. There’s never anything wrong with doing whatever you want with your boots. Great video guys. 👍🏼
I have these boots. You should mention that horse hide is really stiff. It will take a lot of time in these to break them in. I also have the JLB deerskin. The deerskin is very wearable right out of the box
Typically size down 1/2 size from your brannock measurement. That being said, I highly recommend that you try a pair on if you can. I find the last to be very narrow. So, depending on your feet, you might want to stick with your actual brannock size.
@@themancaveclub Thanks and much appreciated. I contacted the folks at S&S and they also recommended sizing down 1/2 from Brannock. I pulled the trigger and will see how it works for me. I wish that I could try on a pair, but not reasonable in central Oregon. Keep up the great videos. You two do a great job and much appreciated.
@@themancaveclub Hey guys. Thanks again for sizing advice. The Lofgren's arrived and at 1/2 size down from Brannock. They are just perfect! I am pleasantly surprised that they are easy to pull on and off and have more arch support than I expected. Gorgeous and the break-in is going well. Keepers for sure!
I just got a pair of JL in CXL, but as far as the last, I usually wear 10 EE in PNW boots (Nicks/Franks), and JL Engineers fit me well, even though they claim to be D. I did follow JL advise and used 10.5, so 0.5 size up. Having wide foot and high instep I was sure there would be issues (getting them on/off and room in toebox), pleasantly surprised that that while snug and felt like they would not fit, less than a minute of wiggling and my feel slide in nicely. I do use thick wool socks (Darn Tough), no heel slip either, YMMV. Only issue I had is that the CXL leather on JL feels very thin. I guess I am used to the thick leather on PNW brands (I always choose the W&C leathers, like Latigo or Double Stuffed). Can anyone tell me if Horsebutt is thicker than CXL??
Isn´t it that Shinki gets shrunken by almost 30% during the tanning process? Which is why the leather has this honeycomb texture? I prefer the amount of texture seen on that specific engineer rather than the devil´s ones. I own a pair of M-43s and the natural CXL engineer. Once you get past the price point, clearly my favorite shoemaker.
If my feet length is around 25.5 to 26 cm and width is 24.5 cm (round), could you kindly advice what size should I go for. I was thinking size US 9 (which I normally wear for engineer boot like Zerrow) or SIze US 8.5 ( which should be perfect fit). As I am not sure if John's boots run a little big or true to size. Appreciate so much
Hi there- Sizing is really tricky. Is there any possible way you can try a pair on before you buy? For reference, my foot is about 28 cm and I went with a size 9 but, might’ve been able to wear a size 9.5. I find JL boots to be slightly narrow. I might suggest that you order from a retailer whom you can return the boots if they don’t fit right, otherwise wait until you can make it to Standard & Strange to try them on. Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful-
@@themancaveclub Thanks so much for the tips. Actually I am thinking order from Standard & Strange as they accept return for size exchange (return shipping fee is on buyer own cost but that's fair I guess).
Great video guys! I got the exact same pair recently and wondered if you had any tips on how to maintain shinki? Conditioner type [venetian?], matching polish to cover scratches, etc)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I don’t usually use any type of conditioner on my boots. Mostly because I like my boots to look beat up and broken in with all the scratches and wear marks. In the rare instance that put anything on my boots- I usually just use mink oil paste. Apply it liberally, let it soak in for a while, then wipe and buff.
Thanks for the video. I love Lofgren boots, but I wouldn't recommend them to people with narrow feet like mine. They should have a narrow last. I can say that from personal experience.
@@themancaveclub So I think I don't have narrow feet, I have them too narrow. My feet could almost turn around inside the boot, the length was fine, but the width was not for me. I tried a pair of Lofgren engineer boots one size smaller and those fit me well in width, but not in length. A shame for me, this brand is not for me. The only engineer boots that work well for me are the Clinch narrow last ones. Greetings
@@themancaveclubYes 😮 Time to get busy with your shows. I haven’t been getting any sleep 🙏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ok, great show again as always. Keep on trucking or bussing 👏👏👏👏👏👍😎👋
That’s quite the accusation. I would never risk my reputation by saying that about someone without providing evidence. The tactic to discredit people by calling them racist has grown old.
Please be more specific, if you already go in that area. JLB had a hashtag somewhere along the line of not made in China/Indonesia. He referred to issues of work ethics but unfortunately omitted to acknowledge small boot makers in both Asian countries. Calling this "racist" might not be the appropriate term, IMHO. Stitchdown being in with Ironboots (made in China), sure reacted as did others. I am not judging or defending anyone here, but calling someone a "racist" is way beyond.
Thank you for the review, everyone. We value your feedback. I'd like to clarify one point: The Flat Head boots are not produced in the same factory as ours. Kiya from Self Edge requested Flat Head to replicate our boots for Self Edge after we ceased supplying Kiya due to constant payment issues. We eventually had to request Flat Head to discontinue copying our boot patterns. While we didn't invent the engineer boot, we infuse our own creativity into the design to make it uniquely ours. We kindly asked Flat Head to do the same.
Thanks for clarifying that John! Appreciate your input. 😎
I did not know this! I was told the lasts were original :/
Just another reason to never buy from Self Edge.
I think brown boots should always have the brass buckles and the black engineer boots should always get nickel. Just looks better imo that’s how my 2 pairs were made. Just looks right. To me. There’s never anything wrong with doing whatever you want with your boots. Great video guys. 👍🏼
Thanks for your comment
So happy to see you guys back!😊JL have been on my radar for a while 👌🏻
These boots look like they'd be insanely cool once worn in a little. Such good stuff.
Indeed! I just ordered another pair in horween roughout leather
Great vid guys, I have the devil's causeway and the 444 very happy with them both. The Shinki looks incredible and will age beautifully with time...
That's awesome!
I have these boots. You should mention that horse hide is really stiff. It will take a lot of time in these to break them in.
I also have the JLB deerskin. The deerskin is very wearable right out of the box
You’re lucky to have two really nice pairs of JLs. I always wanted a pair of the deerskin
Best boots I’ve ever owned.
When I put them on it feels like I’m putting my feet on. They’re that comfortable.
Thanks for your input! What JL boots do you own?
Great video and boots. I prefer flat welts as well. Looking forward to seeing the Keystone boots.
Yes! Me too brother! Probably won’t see the keystone for 6 months
Love the looks of these boots and have questions on sizing. How did you size these compared to Brannock?
Typically size down 1/2 size from your brannock measurement. That being said, I highly recommend that you try a pair on if you can. I find the last to be very narrow. So, depending on your feet, you might want to stick with your actual brannock size.
@@themancaveclub Thanks and much appreciated. I contacted the folks at S&S and they also recommended sizing down 1/2 from Brannock. I pulled the trigger and will see how it works for me. I wish that I could try on a pair, but not reasonable in central Oregon. Keep up the great videos. You two do a great job and much appreciated.
Thanks! Hope you love your boots!
@@themancaveclub Hey guys. Thanks again for sizing advice. The Lofgren's arrived and at 1/2 size down from Brannock. They are just perfect! I am pleasantly surprised that they are easy to pull on and off and have more arch support than I expected. Gorgeous and the break-in is going well. Keepers for sure!
Great! I’m so glad they worked out for you!
I just got a pair of JL in CXL, but as far as the last, I usually wear 10 EE in PNW boots (Nicks/Franks), and JL Engineers fit me well, even though they claim to be D. I did follow JL advise and used 10.5, so 0.5 size up. Having wide foot and high instep I was sure there would be issues (getting them on/off and room in toebox), pleasantly surprised that that while snug and felt like they would not fit, less than a minute of wiggling and my feel slide in nicely. I do use thick wool socks (Darn Tough), no heel slip either, YMMV.
Only issue I had is that the CXL leather on JL feels very thin. I guess I am used to the thick leather on PNW brands (I always choose the W&C leathers, like Latigo or Double Stuffed). Can anyone tell me if Horsebutt is thicker than CXL??
Good sizing advice! I also went up in size. I don’t think the HH is much thicker per se, it’s just denser. Horse is a tighter grain leather.
Isn´t it that Shinki gets shrunken by almost 30% during the tanning process? Which is why the leather has this honeycomb texture? I prefer the amount of texture seen on that specific engineer rather than the devil´s ones.
I own a pair of M-43s and the natural CXL engineer. Once you get past the price point, clearly my favorite shoemaker.
Yes! Good point. They’re gorgeous boots!
If my feet length is around 25.5 to 26 cm and width is 24.5 cm (round), could you kindly advice what size should I go for. I was thinking size US 9 (which I normally wear for engineer boot like Zerrow) or SIze US 8.5 ( which should be perfect fit). As I am not sure if John's boots run a little big or true to size. Appreciate so much
Hi there- Sizing is really tricky. Is there any possible way you can try a pair on before you buy? For reference, my foot is about 28 cm and I went with a size 9 but, might’ve been able to wear a size 9.5. I find JL boots to be slightly narrow. I might suggest that you order from a retailer whom you can return the boots if they don’t fit right, otherwise wait until you can make it to Standard & Strange to try them on. Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful-
@@themancaveclub Thanks so much for the tips. Actually I am thinking order from Standard & Strange as they accept return for size exchange (return shipping fee is on buyer own cost but that's fair I guess).
@@Martin-p6p2t Yeah, sometimes ya gotta take a chance and bit the bullet on return. Like said, I went with a 9D but, I probably could’ve gone 9.5
You could always sway bigger and use an insert or wear thick socks. But, if the boot is too small there’s not much you can do.
@@themancaveclub That's very true, much appreciate for the advice
Great video guys! I got the exact same pair recently and wondered if you had any tips on how to maintain shinki? Conditioner type [venetian?], matching polish to cover scratches, etc)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I don’t usually use any type of conditioner on my boots. Mostly because I like my boots to look beat up and broken in with all the scratches and wear marks. In the rare instance that put anything on my boots- I usually just use mink oil paste. Apply it liberally, let it soak in for a while, then wipe and buff.
How is it getting in and out of those? I hear its near impossible getting them on if you have a high instep. How much instep would you say you have?
Thanks for the video. I love Lofgren boots, but I wouldn't recommend them to people with narrow feet like mine. They should have a narrow last. I can say that from personal experience.
IDK, I have narrow feet too, I find this Last to be extremely narrow. I actually wish it was a bit wider.
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So I think I don't have narrow feet, I have them too narrow. My feet could almost turn around inside the boot, the length was fine, but the width was not for me. I tried a pair of Lofgren engineer boots one size smaller and those fit me well in width, but not in length. A shame for me, this brand is not for me. The only engineer boots that work well for me are the Clinch narrow last ones.
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It’s about fucking time. Where have you guys been?!?
Probably working 5 jobs to pay for the John Lofgren's. I got by with working 3 jobs to get Mr. Lou's.
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@@themancaveclubYes 😮 Time to get busy with your shows. I haven’t been getting any sleep 🙏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ok, great show again as always. Keep on trucking or bussing 👏👏👏👏👏👍😎👋
The drama with JL was that racist tirade he went on a couple years back. I've also since had no interest in the brand or the guy.
I never heard about it. That’s a shame.
That’s quite the accusation. I would never risk my reputation by saying that about someone without providing evidence. The tactic to discredit people by calling them racist has grown old.
Please be more specific, if you already go in that area. JLB had a hashtag somewhere along the line of not made in China/Indonesia. He referred to issues of work ethics but unfortunately omitted to acknowledge small boot makers in both Asian countries. Calling this "racist" might not be the appropriate term, IMHO.
Stitchdown being in with Ironboots (made in China), sure reacted as did others.
I am not judging or defending anyone here, but calling someone a "racist" is way beyond.