It really infuriates me how the only difference between Ryle and the other coho love interests is that he’s PHYSICALLY abusive instead of “just” emotionally abusive. I hate it.
Right? I've just been sitting here wondering why all her books don't get the "Wow, he's a piece of fucking shit" treatment, and you answered it. Sometimes I randomly remember CH was a social worker and shudder.
seeing all of Ryle’s red flags earlier on and then hearing about other coho love interests, it just makes you wonder… does she know that those are all red flags??
@@daddytchaik I don’t think she does, because she thought whatever miles had going on in ugly love was romantic. She has no idea what healthy relationships look like, and it shows
😮hang on - did ryle just show up on the rooftop, smoke a joint and then go back to the hospital where he worsk as a BRAIN SURGEON?!?!?!?!? (also how would he go back to work - since this is set in the US and the genereal vibe he gives i cannot imagine he would take public transportation - so did he drive???) Now i donot judge peoples' consumption of alcohol/drugs, generally... but people shouldnt do drugs and thwn immediately drive/DO BRAIN SURGERY, right ??? Like that cannot possibly be good for those sort of tasks ???
Having listened to your review, the thing that really angers me about this book is the same thing that’s angered me with other CoHo books, and that is her refusal to commit to the bit. CoHo likes to write these messy, complicated scenarios, but she softens them or doesn’t work out all the implications so she can have a cheap happy ending. In _November 9,_ for example, Fallon suffered fourth-degree burns, which destroy muscle and bone. But Fallon walks away with light physical scarring because if CoHo were honest about how much Fallon suffered, ending up with Ben would be unconscionable. Here, it’s the same thing. Ryle is just abusive enough to make it clear that Lily has to leave, but he’s not so abusive that Lily has to worry about the baby being safe or that he’ll fly off the handle when she tries to leave. (Come to think of it, CoHo also does a deep disservice to how risky it is to be pregnant while married to an abuser. The number one cause of death for pregnant people is homicide, after all.) Why won’t Ryle snap and try to beat the shit out of Atlas when he’s dropping Emmy off? Because Ryle’s a CoHo man, so his abusive temperament isn’t a character trait, it’s a plot device.
The fact that she allows Ryle to have Emerson for WEEKS without supervision when that man is a whole abuser who knocked her out twice as a result of his abuse⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@stinks7065 Not just that. Remember how the book and movie ended... It said they're going to raise the child TOGETHER... Like fuck you lily blossom flower whoever you are... You're want your abuser to raise your child with you? For what? Where is the 'End' of it ends with us???... That's why I literally hate it sm.... They made Ryle seem like a person with 'troubles' and 'trauma' and tried to excuse his behaviour with that.... That's literally why I see so many teenage girls arguing about how Ryle is a good guy.... How he's just traumatized.... Because that's what the book made it seem like... Which is what makes me so angry about this book and COHO... Like she wrote abuse but totally bared the abuser from being responsible for the stuff that he did and then proceeded to call it a 'Happy Ending'.
Lily learned from her father that just because he beat her mom it did not mean he would hurt her. So she may have thought the same thing about ryle and their daughter. And also, regarding the novel allegedly portraying ryle as traumatized and therefore justified, I never got that vibe. I realize that Alyssa wanted ryle to share that part of his story although ryle did think it mattered. I think Alyssa just cared about her brother and Lily at the same time and wanted to make the situation better somehow
@@Hifive91 you definitely know that's not the case... Lily still ended up traumatized even if not actually physically abused just by being near her dad.. and seeing how he treats her mother... So why didn't lily think that that's what would happen to her child when co-parenting with Ryle is beyond me.... That's what I meant when I said coho kinda of excused ryle's behaviour... She shows as if Ryle isn't actually a bad person but just a person with bad 'habits' and anger issues... (And tries to justify his behaviour by past trauma and sh!t.... Past trauma can lead to such behaviour but it's not an excuse for such behaviours)... Isn't that why he's being trusted with a child? Despite him being a abuser... And honestly there is nothing stopping him from abusing the child as well.... Lily should know better... Better be safe than sorry right?
Have I previously watched Rachel Oates' video on this hellscape of a book and movie? Yes. Did I love and appreciate it? Yes. Did I watch your entire video as well? Yes. Did I also love and appreciate it? Yes. That's four more "yes" statements of consent and approval than Colleen Hoover's male love interests ever get from their abused female protagonists.
Alizee has lots of Coho videos if you want to more. I will never hate myself enough to pick up these books, but I will consume basically all the videos about how bad they are
I want you to know that I'm now going to say "serious cap" Whenever I drop a conversation bomb so people won't know if I'm about to change to mood or lie my ass off 😂
When i first started hearing about her books, i had a suspicion, and when i saw the author notes section in this book, it confirmed it. Having an abusive father can either make you very resistant to any man like that, OR you end idolizing that man and begin to view women as weak too. The way she talks about her father, especially after her told her he had to have knuckles replaced because he hit her mother in the head so hard, explains everything to me. It's sad when you see someone cope by trying to justify the things they've seen so they can accept them. It's hard to break a cycle when you still hold the views put on to by the abusive person.
Yeah, I heard that she had said in some interviews that her father abusing her mother didn't damage her psychologically. ...but it's obvious that it did. All her books have abusive men as the love interest.
it really explains a lot about the way she writes every one of her male love interests, not to mention the misogynist undertones throughout all of her writing in general...
I am a nurse. I’ve made Nursey Comments before. Here again with Nursing Knowledge. 1.) Calling it now at 22:08 this Super Buff Neurosurgeon resident is the abusive one, not the Formerly Homeless Teen. What’s the difference in God and a neurosurgeon? God doesn’t think he’s a neurosurgeon. 2.) Neurosurgeon do NOT have to have huge biceps, they need to have very steady, very dexterous hands and are more likely to have played piano to improve dexterity than worked out for upper body strength. You want a doctor that can pin you to the wall and hold you there, you want an orthopedic surgeon or an ER doctor, specifically one who responds to code blues and actually does chest compressions. Those artificial joints are difficult to get in place and the ER docs that run to codes are 100% the super intelligent guys who still manage to be Thor in Thor 3 level himbos (I mean that as the deepest compliment).
More Nurse Wisdom, coming in hot at 25:59: if you work in healthcare and DON’T swear like a sailor, you’re in the minority. The literal second sentence I ever said in front of my current Director of Nursing was “if i have a fucking nervous breakdown this week I’m filing that shit under worker’s comp, I mean it. Dammit I just said that in front of admin.” And she just laughed and said I’d fit right in.
Colleen info dumps at the beginning of her books to build up back story and it infuriates me!! Character backstory shouldn't be the two main characters TRAUMA DUMPING WITHIN MINUTES OF MEETING EVERY TIME!!
I really wish these popular novels were properly edited. If publishing houses take on an author who started out self-publishing, I’d like them to fix the damn book! Also, why isn’t self-publishing embarrassing anymore? I don’t actually mean that rudely, it’s baffling tho. The very idea that a writer doesn’t need a pro editor is baffling, ofc you can have awesome amateur editors (I am one lol) but you need an editor who understands publishing, and frankly, as a reader, I want my books vetted & competently written. Badly written fiction is harder to read than well written, so why are there so many eager readers? I’d rather read Faulkner for fun than Colleen Hoover, and frankly I loathe William Faulkner…but at least he used professional people!
as a person who was raised by female victims of DV, this book disgusts me. What Lily should have done is just force him to pay child support and cut him off. Not let him name her daughter, not let him have ANY custody or visitation, and go to therapy. SOOO much of my childhood was learning the mistakes of the previous generations to not repeat them. This book should be burned. EDIT: i hate Alyssa (idk/dc to spell it righ) her husband, and dumbly named kid
I don't think Lily ever reported the abuse, and probably didn't have pictures as evidence. I don't think it would have been possible to have full custody, no visitation with someone you never reported who is also a doctor/makes the kind of money doctors do
The director has said they tried to make Ryle more likable not for drama but to try and put the audience in the head of someone who ends up in an abusive relationship, showing how Lily could've been lured into falling for him
I blame CoHo for every puppetmaster, megalodon, island of misfit lost boys that has sprung up over the past decade. Are they her fault? Probably not. Does it make me feel better to imagine punting this entire bastardized genre into the sun? Abso-fucking-lutely.
the type of abuse that lyle (idk how to spell it) showed is actually very common but less talked about then it should be. it's a form of pushing boundaries to see how far the victim will allow them to go. it essentially pushing the victims boundaries back suddenly, then love bombing and acting normal until they can't realize how trapped they are until it is too late.
I feel like the whole Ellen thing would make sense if Lily felt like the only queer person in a small town. Like, "hey youre the only queer person i know cause Ellen was at the height of her power now, so im gonna talk to you." But to address her straight relationship to one of the most famous lesbians of the 90s-00s is... a choice
every time i remember the “no such thing as bad people” comment i sort of giggle because i vividly remember having that exact conversation with my middle school best friend in the middle of the night at a sleepover. like ryle you’re not slick. i figured that out when i was 12.
me when colleen hoover almost changed the trajectory of her abuse book because she fell in love with ryle's character. this tells you much too much about her other stories. the only difference with the male lead in IEWU and every other abusive coho male lead... is that ryle is called out for being abusive, and ryle actually physically harms lily. AND I EXCLUDE HIM TRYING TO SA HER bc other male leads do the same!! i guess they're just too hot to be bothered by consent!! but even ryle has booktok girlies clamoring to get in his super hot super cute book boyfriend pants. ... ok, coho.
It sounds like the movie was a repeat of what happened with 50 Shades where people on the production were trying to improve on the not-great source material, but could only do so much because they ultimately had to answer to EL James/CoHo (and I guess Lively? in the case of IEWU). And those women were not going to let the movies stray too far from the books. After all, the books are perfect with no problematic elements whatsoever!
I can't remember if it originally came from Rachel Oates or Alizeeyeezy but they have both said 'Colleen Hoover has never met a womb she didn't fill' so there's your answer on if CoHo believes that women are just baby making machines 😂
"these are the arms of a neurosurgeon, -bella- Lily!!" -Rylo Ken ETA: ok but ryle begging for lily for funtimes, sending a note saying "make it stop", taking a pic of her & blowing it up & putting it up on the wall??? Who IS this guy, Zade Meadows??? He's 2 stalker 4 me, what a freak 👀 Also 🌷🌹🌼🌻
I saw someone make such a great point about Rylan smoking a joint before going into work. At the hospital. As a doctor. Of surgery. We were shown at the start what kind of person he’d be
@@knightfromhell1 I used to work lunch shift at the hospital subway in town to help out when they were short staff, & there’s a very handsome ortho with big ol’ guns, he looks like the ultimate successful, hot 30 something, but he’s also a socially challenged little weirdo who thinks his daily footlong is a flex, and I’m seriously worried about him. Surgeons can keep gift cards - that they buy themselves - behind the counter so they can grab lunch without having anything in their pockets, and this guy seems to think this is privilege at its highest & literally says, in the 2020s, “charge it to my account,” and then if I’m working he has to wait while I find his card because I don’t know his face, & then we run it in front of them. It’s a very minor perk, and impresses absolutely no one.
If I was rewriting this book, I'd probably have Lily write to a make believe queer celebrity during her youth, make Atlas a girl she falls for but remove the father's violent reaction and the age gap, and then have Lily and Atlas reconnect in a similar way when they're adults. So it could not only be a book covering the topic of domestic violence but also point out that bisexual women are statistically victimized the most, often due to the fact that men like Ryle react with such violent jealousy and paranoia. Obviously my "script doctoring" would require a lot more tweaks, but your section discussing the Ellen letters really made me think.
Apparently this book has a sequel that actually answers the questions regarding how Ryle will react to Atlus being back in Lily's life (spoiler: it does not go well)
omg 😅 a funny thing too is they just had a midnight showing of this at my local theatre to celebrate their 70 year anniversary since opening and it was great to see in theatres
I was around when this book was published, and the number of CH fans who loved Ryle and felt bad for him was astonishing. Her posts promoting the book were littered with people defending him and wishing CH would redeem him and give him a HEA. I couldn't believe it and also wasn't surprised.
@@maria-aquariusunboundoh yikes 😬 thanks for the info, I never heard about coho until this year so I don't know much about how things went when her books were originally published 😅 I actually used to think that coho was in her 20s and "It ends with us" was her debut novel, but it turns out she's actually middle aged & has a whole bunch of books, some of which had their beginnings on Wattpad (the "Maybe Someday" series iirc) lol
I’m always astounded at the lack of understanding CoHo has of this topic despite going through it. You’d think that, before you wrote a book with this kind of message, you’d get some therapy and read some relevant psychology books to truly understand what happened, how it happened, and why. But no, everything is just a poorly executed set piece. Easy example: The sister knows Ryle ab*sed her best friend; in a situation like that, a character would either 1) cut the attacker off, or 2) blame the victim and cut them off. If sister wants to keep them both in her life, the victim would cut the sister off as a consequence for enabling the ab*ser. Real life gets messy, but a book needs clarity. The entire message of this book is just “ab*se is not that bad and should be forgiven”, even in the afterword, which is just unhinged. This book is not dark romance; it’s specifically intended to portray real ab*se situations. It just... makes no sense to be so wishy-washy on the messaging. Especially since this is in the YA section of every bookstore 😂
Books don't need clarity, unless you believe that every story must teach a moral lesson and every character must be an example of virtue or vice. The problem isn't when a book has characters with messy, muddled morality; the problem is when the author fails to present that morality as messy, those characters as muddled. This often happens because the author themselves is blind to the messiness.
@@kikiplum5477Yeah, I wrote this when I was VERY tired so I didn’t make my point clear at all, I think. CoHo clearly intended for this book to have a strong message (see: her afterword). The book is heavily marketed to children. Books geared at children do actually need a clear message if they write about a serious topic. You should not teach children that ab*sers are actually just good people and you need to stick around for them to change and then forgive them when they do (Lily allows Ryle in her daughter’s life, CoHo writes about how great her father was despite beating her mother). If the book is aimed at adults, you can do whatever you want and you don’t need clarity or a message. But if you explicitly intend for the book to be a message, and then push it to children (not just, ‘oh a child reads an adult book’, but ‘a child reads a book that is explicitly marketed as YA’), you are obligated to make that message something that will not cause significant danger to the child.
i hope you know that reaching out to someone you have no contact with, whoever it is and for whatever reason, in a moment of intense emotion doesn't make you dumb. it makes you human.
I feel like the moment it becomes unsalvageable is when it becomes clear that *Atlas* knows and is planning around the age of consent. It's like she can't help herself. Looking it up as the author is a good thing to do imo, no matter how creepy or wholesome everything else is it'd suck to be blindsided by writing accidental statutory once it's out in the world and too late. But the character doesn't have to have to same motivations as the author! Say she isn't ready and wants to wait without mentioning age. Say *he* wants to wait and subvert one of those weird gendered stereotypes you love so much! Someone gets in a car accident and is only up and about well after her birthday! He wins the lottery and spends a few months in Fiji! Literally *anything* else! It feels like Coho's always putting her motivations for writing things a certain way directly in her characters' mouths instead of writing good characterization that would get her the outcome she wants. How many times has she written a supporting character telling the FMC to "give him a chance!" after the MMC has done something that should be an immediate relationship ender? Alyssa, the mom in Nov 9... the reason is never more convincing than a vague gesture at a tragic (probably irrelevant) backstory. She wants to keep the unacceptable action as a plot point, and she wants them to get back together. She can't end the book or get to the next plot point *until* the couple gets back together... so they just do. Building up a good reason would take too much work, so she doesn't try. He cried once, obviously this means the relationship is fine, actually! No depth allowed :/
I feel like screaming at the top of my lungs about this book/movie but my screams will not be reaching anybody. As someone who has been through a very similar experience to this Lily character (minus the pregnancy), i could never forgive the romanticising of the most traumatic thing in my life. It was the most surreal thing ever to watch this movie all the while replaying memories in my head, and then come out of the cinema to all these teenage girls complaining that Lily did not forgive gorgeous doctor Ryle oh no. THIS IS NOT A ROMANCE!! THIS GUY IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD GO FOR IN LIFE!! And worst of all THIS MOVIE IS NOT PG13 DEAR LORD!!
Thank you so, so much for this! I haven't read a single CoHo book but for some reason I've eaten up TONS of content regarding them, including Rachel Oates' work. I think it's really classy for you to shout out her coverage of the book - love to see creators supporting each other. You're always hilarious while remaining sensitive to hard subject matter and I appreciate it more than I can coherently express. While I once said during one of your lives that CoHo has enough publicity, I'd still be down to see you cover more of her books if that's what you want to do. I think you bring a valuable perspective to these issues and you have a uniquely incisive wit and humor that would make those analyses brilliant. Whatever, I'm rambling, but I appreciate you so much and I'm always thrilled to see a new video from you!
Watching this video saved me from relapsing into an anxiety attack. Thanks for being hilarious and compassionate about serious and upsetting situations. 🌸
@@weirdobookclubalso 🌺 love your MK and Ashley hairstyle, I absolutely idolized them growing up. I wish it was easier to find their movies on streaming sites
💐The thing I hate about CoHo’s book is this belief or better yet, this narrative that you should FORGIVE YOUR ABUSER?!?!? She writes this story like “just because he hits you doesn’t mean he’s a bad person” 🤬 what I got out of her authors note about her childhood was that her mother did a damn good job of hiding the reality of how bad it was and making excuses for her father. I lived something similar, but I never hid the reason I hated my sons father because I didn’t want him to grow up thinking that was acceptable behavior
I’ve been watching a lot of your videos for a while now and I just wanted to say I really appreciate your trigger warnings. I’m a writer and you’ve mentioned some that I’d never have really considered placing down as potential triggers. Thank you, you’ve really opened my eyes up to what could be potentially harmful to a consumer of the media and things that I wouldn’t have thought of before I will be more mindful of now because of your videos. ❤❤❤
Your Blake lively impression almost had me spit take all over my iPad. Thank you for sharing this absolute insanity and chaos. I’m sorry you had to suffer it in order to share.
I have a ton of bracelets to make for a concert and needed something to watch so thank you! i really appreciate how you can make joke (pretty funny ones imo) while still acknowledging the serious topics :) ty for your hard work!
So this is really fucked up, but Colleen Hoover used to be a social worker. That being said. If a woman goes to court and reports physical abuse, its actually going to work in the man's favor as the court can see that as an attempt at parental alienation. Additionally, Ryle is a neurosurgeon and his enabling sister is rich. He can buy lawyers that Lily couldn't imagine, he could make her life hell. Taking him to court for supervised visits could easily backfire
they actually aged the characters up for the movie because Justin Baldoni thought that having a 30 yr old surgeon was kind of impossible unless he was some sort of child genius so his character would be like 40 and hers closer to 30 at the very least but idk if they specified ages in the movie as I haven't seen it
2:21:02 there's another youtuber that said something about their dad recently and I couldn't help but compare the two. "And Dad if you can hear me from down there, i hope that just gave you heart burn" ~Nicque Marina Just cause they were there doesn't excuse the pain they put you through. Abusers deserve no respect for doing the absolute minimum of what it takes to being a decent human being, imo.
I feel the need to point out, that in the first scene he was sm*king w**d, and then left when he got called into work where he's a NEUROSURGEON. I kinda feel like, if you're on call as a NEUROSURGEON, you should probably be sober? Spicy take, I know.
I feel Coleen should have done more introspection and spoken to a psychiatrist before writing this book. From the tone of it, she has a LOT of unresolved and unadressed issues with her father, which shows in the way she writes Ryle to be sympathetic and how she "fell in love with the character". She is experiencing the consequence of her father's behaviour being excused or minimalised, even in the note at the beginning 12:52.
37:44 Not remotely the most important thing to get hung up on, BUT there's no way a bar in Boston was giving out free drinks. There are liquor laws in MA that are very strict about discounting alcoholic drinks, which is why there's no happy hour in the state.
24:15 I had a naked truth game with an ex. When we were arguing and someone said forehead we went head to head and whispered how we felt. He was also *abusive*
31:10 omg blasting Hybrid Theory to try to communicate your anger at your parents. special shoutout to Three Days Grace’s self-titled, that was a go-to as well
@@mithridatic333 ooh I loved that one too, I would listen to it like "whoa, music has so much meaning! this song could be about romance OR it could be about my dad! I'm 14 & this is deep!" 😂 Also "Riot" was a fave with me when I was angry, I felt SO EDGY bc I had the explicit version on my iPod lmao 🤣
🌻I am glad you make these videos. I know I would never be able to read most of the books you have gone over. You make me laugh so hard, I look forward to more of your stuff. Thank you!
Thank you for talking about the fishnet tights!! It irked me to my core! I immediately pointed that out to my fiancé when we watched it. Nobody in their right mind would EVER sleep in those 😭😭
Have you heard of Colleen Hoover's first series Slammed? It involves a teacher student relationship and slam poetry. I was frothing with hate by the end
I watched most of the premiere but fell asleep after taking some cold medicine. Now here I am rewatching because it’s just that good! Thanks for suffering for our entertainment 🤣💐
When I tell you I ran here! Thank you so much for subjecting yourself to the worst for the best content. I refuse to read this one but needed a Natalie Megan breakdown.
🌸🌸 i've watched at least 3-4 rant reviews of It Ends With Us , and once again I FORGOT THE REST OF MY COMMENT BECAUSE FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY WAS MENTIONED AND I LOVE FSOG BASHING !!!!🍉🍉 (i think i was trying to say i also enjoyed your review,,, whatever . i hate colleen hoover so i was thrilled that you were rant reviewing a book of hers)
I actually watched the movie with my family and my only prior knowledge was that it was a romance. I’m not one for romance movies but went anyway since it was a family event. At first I was like “yknow, maybe this isn’t so bad, there’s a lot of themes of past trauma and whatnot that they could explore in a neat way” then the movie made me realize how much I appreciated content warnings. I was actually worried that the main character would stay with Ryle in the end because of how many romances forgive characters like him. I got some enjoyment out of the movie initially, but after reading the controversy surrounding it and the fact that the book is even WORSE… yeah let’s just say that learning it was a Colleen Hoover story made everything make sense.
Weird that a neurosurgeon is, like, setting bones and talking about hearts. Like, i get that he would probably have more general medical knowledge, but if we wanted a doctor who does such things, why not an ER doc? Why someone with such a specific specialty? It just feels odd...
Hadn’t thought about that! That could’ve worked or She could’ve done a heart surgeon cause they’re on the same vibe as a neurosurgeon (those two professions can have real-godlike personalities).
I grew up with one parent abusing the other. I know every person comes out of situations with different opinions and issues, but I am absolutely gobsmacked Hoover wrote this and then felt comfortable labeling it as a romance and having the description completely hide the abusive aspects of the plot.
At the beginning of the video I was literally wondering why your hair looked so bad I’m sorry😂😂😂 it usually looks really good so u did a good job doing a Blake lively impression
The references in this video are on point! Hilarious Your absolutely taking this topic more seriously than Blake Honestly same girl. I wouldn’t have a single nice thing to say about my sperm donor. The first introduction is so odd, like I understand a funeral complicated emotions (also work at a funeral home) But the roof scene just seems like a worst written Rose & Jack meeting scene. Ah yes, a grown a** man having a temper tantrum like a toddler is sooo sexy. Don’t you let anyone tell you otherwise, I freaking love the serious cap moments!! 😂 Everyone has bad days. Everyone has big feelings 😱 spit facts Ryle Also noooooo thank you! You just show up unannounced to my house and wake me up, I’m sicking my dog on him. Big ole red flag
I commented the same on Alizee’s video reviewing the book, and while it’s repetitive I have a strong distaste for CoHo so I will happily slander her again. I read a book recently called Book Lovers by Emily Henry that is, in short, the anti-Hallmark love story of the bitchy city girlfriend being dragged to a quaint countryside town only to fall in love with her asshole coworker who is also from the city and they both hate it in the little town. The story is more than that but for the purposes of summarising and no spoilers, that’s all you’re getting. I bought it because of that description, only to see to my horror on the store page that CoHo was a fan. And after reading the book, I have no idea why because no assault, abuse or romanticising of either of those things happens in the book! There are no weird names! There are some 🌶️ scenes (not for me but for most people) but again they are fully consensual! Whenever someone says no, the other backs off to give them space with no questions asked! Absolutely baffled that CoHo liked it, but perhaps her “broken clock twice a day”.
One thing that makes me irrationally angry, other than the obvious stuff which makes me rationally angry, is BIBS. BIBS?? Better in Boston sssssssss 🌺🌹
Only Natalie can say something substantive and useful while doing an in-depth review for a Colleen Hoover book. It's like how traumatic experiences can also be a hotbed for personal growth. Come for the jokes, leave with a little pocket of wisdom.
When you’re blessed it shows//I’m so excited about the content but something about this book and deep dives bring up weird uncomfortable feelings and repressed emotions for me 😭 liking and commenting regardless 🩵
Living for your opinions and the lore drops equally. Edit: Okay, on a more serious note: I did grow up like that and ended up with some not so stellar guys. I didn’t fully grasp WHY this book bothered me until you took the time to do a serious cap and explain it to me. I’m real time learning and reframing what’s been done to me and what it actually meant (not triggered, just acknowledging) and I’m honestly so grateful for you and the fact you take that time to explain those aspects and what they can DO to someone. You are actively helping and healing me, and I appreciate that a lot. Edit 2: You have a LOT of good writing advice and the “naming places” hit so hard. I’m writing a book, it’s on the first draft, but the inn I had was workshopped in the ideas as “Ink and Bone” or something. That’s SILLY. I ended up calling it “Hydan’s” which is the name of the owner (and a key area/side character). I couldn’t imagine having the first name now, I’m very grateful I looked it over and adjusted.
At first, I was like: the marketing of the book felt very irresponsible, as I wouldnt want a ipv survivor to pick this book expecting "escape" and receiving "retraumatisation" instead. But then, you said the book was dedicated to her abusive dad and now it all makes sense. F*ck survivors amiright?! 🙃
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It really infuriates me how the only difference between Ryle and the other coho love interests is that he’s PHYSICALLY abusive instead of “just” emotionally abusive. I hate it.
Right? I've just been sitting here wondering why all her books don't get the "Wow, he's a piece of fucking shit" treatment, and you answered it.
Sometimes I randomly remember CH was a social worker and shudder.
seeing all of Ryle’s red flags earlier on and then hearing about other coho love interests, it just makes you wonder… does she know that those are all red flags??
@@daddytchaik I don’t think she does, because she thought whatever miles had going on in ugly love was romantic. She has no idea what healthy relationships look like, and it shows
The other ones are physically abusive too, trapping women in rooms and such
@@spaceorc1397 wait omg I forgot about that. Why does she write this shit
on my hands and knees begging her to go to therapy to unpack the shit she feels about her dad. please, coho. it would be so good for you.
😮hang on - did ryle just show up on the rooftop, smoke a joint and then go back to the hospital where he worsk as a BRAIN SURGEON?!?!?!?!? (also how would he go back to work - since this is set in the US and the genereal vibe he gives i cannot imagine he would take public transportation - so did he drive???)
Now i donot judge peoples' consumption of alcohol/drugs, generally... but people shouldnt do drugs and thwn immediately drive/DO BRAIN SURGERY, right ??? Like that cannot possibly be good for those sort of tasks ???
He’s such a good brain surgeon he can stroll into the OR reeking of weed and not miss a step!
He’s an iconic surgeon man 😂😂😂 he’s so experienced he could do 5 shots and smoke 10 joints and be ready for surgery
I question how he even became a surgeon if he has "black out rage episodes"
@@Marie45610 he’s high from the weed so he’s mellow while performing surgery 🤣🤣🤣
😮 I never thought about that before
Having listened to your review, the thing that really angers me about this book is the same thing that’s angered me with other CoHo books, and that is her refusal to commit to the bit. CoHo likes to write these messy, complicated scenarios, but she softens them or doesn’t work out all the implications so she can have a cheap happy ending. In _November 9,_ for example, Fallon suffered fourth-degree burns, which destroy muscle and bone. But Fallon walks away with light physical scarring because if CoHo were honest about how much Fallon suffered, ending up with Ben would be unconscionable.
Here, it’s the same thing. Ryle is just abusive enough to make it clear that Lily has to leave, but he’s not so abusive that Lily has to worry about the baby being safe or that he’ll fly off the handle when she tries to leave. (Come to think of it, CoHo also does a deep disservice to how risky it is to be pregnant while married to an abuser. The number one cause of death for pregnant people is homicide, after all.) Why won’t Ryle snap and try to beat the shit out of Atlas when he’s dropping Emmy off? Because Ryle’s a CoHo man, so his abusive temperament isn’t a character trait, it’s a plot device.
Underrated comment - this perfectly expresses my feelings about this entire story.
THIS. I actually enjoyed several of her other books but couldn't stomach this one and had those same concerns.
The fact that she allows Ryle to have Emerson for WEEKS without supervision when that man is a whole abuser who knocked her out twice as a result of his abuse⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@stinks7065 Not just that. Remember how the book and movie ended... It said they're going to raise the child TOGETHER... Like fuck you lily blossom flower whoever you are... You're want your abuser to raise your child with you? For what? Where is the 'End' of it ends with us???... That's why I literally hate it sm.... They made Ryle seem like a person with 'troubles' and 'trauma' and tried to excuse his behaviour with that.... That's literally why I see so many teenage girls arguing about how Ryle is a good guy.... How he's just traumatized.... Because that's what the book made it seem like... Which is what makes me so angry about this book and COHO... Like she wrote abuse but totally bared the abuser from being responsible for the stuff that he did and then proceeded to call it a 'Happy Ending'.
Lily learned from her father that just because he beat her mom it did not mean he would hurt her. So she may have thought the same thing about ryle and their daughter. And also, regarding the novel allegedly portraying ryle as traumatized and therefore justified, I never got that vibe. I realize that Alyssa wanted ryle to share that part of his story although ryle did think it mattered. I think Alyssa just cared about her brother and Lily at the same time and wanted to make the situation better somehow
@@Hifive91 you definitely know that's not the case... Lily still ended up traumatized even if not actually physically abused just by being near her dad.. and seeing how he treats her mother... So why didn't lily think that that's what would happen to her child when co-parenting with Ryle is beyond me.... That's what I meant when I said coho kinda of excused ryle's behaviour... She shows as if Ryle isn't actually a bad person but just a person with bad 'habits' and anger issues... (And tries to justify his behaviour by past trauma and sh!t.... Past trauma can lead to such behaviour but it's not an excuse for such behaviours)... Isn't that why he's being trusted with a child? Despite him being a abuser... And honestly there is nothing stopping him from abusing the child as well.... Lily should know better... Better be safe than sorry right?
Bless your soul, CoHo is a cursed experience and i'm so sorry and so thankful you went through that. You truly suffer for us.♡
Have I previously watched Rachel Oates' video on this hellscape of a book and movie? Yes. Did I love and appreciate it? Yes. Did I watch your entire video as well? Yes. Did I also love and appreciate it? Yes.
That's four more "yes" statements of consent and approval than Colleen Hoover's male love interests ever get from their abused female protagonists.
@@ladylaelae1 That 2nd paragraph!
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i will watch every youtube review dragging this book/movie.
Alizee has lots of Coho videos if you want to more. I will never hate myself enough to pick up these books, but I will consume basically all the videos about how bad they are
@@ladylaelae1 this comment has better build up and payoff than a coho scene too
@@Vampgurl202 came here to say this very thing
I want you to know that I'm now going to say "serious cap" Whenever I drop a conversation bomb so people won't know if I'm about to change to mood or lie my ass off 😂
When i first started hearing about her books, i had a suspicion, and when i saw the author notes section in this book, it confirmed it. Having an abusive father can either make you very resistant to any man like that, OR you end idolizing that man and begin to view women as weak too. The way she talks about her father, especially after her told her he had to have knuckles replaced because he hit her mother in the head so hard, explains everything to me. It's sad when you see someone cope by trying to justify the things they've seen so they can accept them. It's hard to break a cycle when you still hold the views put on to by the abusive person.
Yeah, I heard that she had said in some interviews that her father abusing her mother didn't damage her psychologically. ...but it's obvious that it did. All her books have abusive men as the love interest.
it really explains a lot about the way she writes every one of her male love interests, not to mention the misogynist undertones throughout all of her writing in general...
She's sexist af
I am a nurse. I’ve made Nursey Comments before. Here again with Nursing Knowledge. 1.) Calling it now at 22:08 this Super Buff Neurosurgeon resident is the abusive one, not the Formerly Homeless Teen. What’s the difference in God and a neurosurgeon? God doesn’t think he’s a neurosurgeon. 2.) Neurosurgeon do NOT have to have huge biceps, they need to have very steady, very dexterous hands and are more likely to have played piano to improve dexterity than worked out for upper body strength. You want a doctor that can pin you to the wall and hold you there, you want an orthopedic surgeon or an ER doctor, specifically one who responds to code blues and actually does chest compressions. Those artificial joints are difficult to get in place and the ER docs that run to codes are 100% the super intelligent guys who still manage to be Thor in Thor 3 level himbos (I mean that as the deepest compliment).
More Nurse Wisdom, coming in hot at 25:59: if you work in healthcare and DON’T swear like a sailor, you’re in the minority. The literal second sentence I ever said in front of my current Director of Nursing was “if i have a fucking nervous breakdown this week I’m filing that shit under worker’s comp, I mean it. Dammit I just said that in front of admin.” And she just laughed and said I’d fit right in.
Colleen info dumps at the beginning of her books to build up back story and it infuriates me!! Character backstory shouldn't be the two main characters TRAUMA DUMPING WITHIN MINUTES OF MEETING EVERY TIME!!
I really wish these popular novels were properly edited. If publishing houses take on an author who started out self-publishing, I’d like them to fix the damn book! Also, why isn’t self-publishing embarrassing anymore? I don’t actually mean that rudely, it’s baffling tho. The very idea that a writer doesn’t need a pro editor is baffling, ofc you can have awesome amateur editors (I am one lol) but you need an editor who understands publishing, and frankly, as a reader, I want my books vetted & competently written. Badly written fiction is harder to read than well written, so why are there so many eager readers? I’d rather read Faulkner for fun than Colleen Hoover, and frankly I loathe William Faulkner…but at least he used professional people!
as a person who was raised by female victims of DV, this book disgusts me. What Lily should have done is just force him to pay child support and cut him off. Not let him name her daughter, not let him have ANY custody or visitation, and go to therapy. SOOO much of my childhood was learning the mistakes of the previous generations to not repeat them. This book should be burned.
EDIT: i hate Alyssa (idk/dc to spell it righ) her husband, and dumbly named kid
Right? I HATE this toxic idea, that abusing one's partner doesnt disqualify someone as a parent. As if one didnt inform the other!!!
😤😤😤
I don't think Lily ever reported the abuse, and probably didn't have pictures as evidence. I don't think it would have been possible to have full custody, no visitation with someone you never reported who is also a doctor/makes the kind of money doctors do
Giant fan of how every single person reviewing this keeps repeating "marine-grade polymer" as much as the book does. 10/10.
As a DV survivor, CoHo is one of my enemies - especially for this particular book, Verity and Layla. Bless you for going through this cursed text. ✨️
The director has said they tried to make Ryle more likable not for drama but to try and put the audience in the head of someone who ends up in an abusive relationship, showing how Lily could've been lured into falling for him
I blame CoHo for every puppetmaster, megalodon, island of misfit lost boys that has sprung up over the past decade. Are they her fault? Probably not. Does it make me feel better to imagine punting this entire bastardized genre into the sun? Abso-fucking-lutely.
@@AlishaHerbiederbie 😂😂
Lily needs that guy, the “There there little duck” guy from the Pucking Wrong Number, to be her one true friend.
Yup
OOOOOLD Bill is best character
the type of abuse that lyle (idk how to spell it) showed is actually very common but less talked about then it should be. it's a form of pushing boundaries to see how far the victim will allow them to go. it essentially pushing the victims boundaries back suddenly, then love bombing and acting normal until they can't realize how trapped they are until it is too late.
It’s Ryle btw. Like a Riley who can’t commit
@@alisaurus4224 lmaooo
I feel like the whole Ellen thing would make sense if Lily felt like the only queer person in a small town. Like, "hey youre the only queer person i know cause Ellen was at the height of her power now, so im gonna talk to you." But to address her straight relationship to one of the most famous lesbians of the 90s-00s is... a choice
every time i remember the “no such thing as bad people” comment i sort of giggle because i vividly remember having that exact conversation with my middle school best friend in the middle of the night at a sleepover. like ryle you’re not slick. i figured that out when i was 12.
me when colleen hoover almost changed the trajectory of her abuse book because she fell in love with ryle's character.
this tells you much too much about her other stories. the only difference with the male lead in IEWU and every other abusive coho male lead... is that ryle is called out for being abusive, and ryle actually physically harms lily. AND I EXCLUDE HIM TRYING TO SA HER bc other male leads do the same!! i guess they're just too hot to be bothered by consent!!
but even ryle has booktok girlies clamoring to get in his super hot super cute book boyfriend pants.
... ok, coho.
It sounds like the movie was a repeat of what happened with 50 Shades where people on the production were trying to improve on the not-great source material, but could only do so much because they ultimately had to answer to EL James/CoHo (and I guess Lively? in the case of IEWU). And those women were not going to let the movies stray too far from the books. After all, the books are perfect with no problematic elements whatsoever!
I can't remember if it originally came from Rachel Oates or Alizeeyeezy but they have both said 'Colleen Hoover has never met a womb she didn't fill' so there's your answer on if CoHo believes that women are just baby making machines 😂
I feel like that’s her and Abby Jiminez 😬
That sounds more like Alizee, lol
there was no baby in Heart Bones or Layla, off the top of my head, so there's that.
@@LRW3I dont watch alizee but have heard that before so I'm team Rachel
"these are the arms of a neurosurgeon, -bella- Lily!!" -Rylo Ken
ETA: ok but ryle begging for lily for funtimes, sending a note saying "make it stop", taking a pic of her & blowing it up & putting it up on the wall??? Who IS this guy, Zade Meadows??? He's 2 stalker 4 me, what a freak 👀
Also 🌷🌹🌼🌻
I saw someone make such a great point about Rylan smoking a joint before going into work. At the hospital. As a doctor. Of surgery. We were shown at the start what kind of person he’d be
If any type of surgeon would have muscular arms, it would be Ortho surgeons. They're swinging mallets in that OR.
@@knightfromhell1 I used to work lunch shift at the hospital subway in town to help out when they were short staff, & there’s a very handsome ortho with big ol’ guns, he looks like the ultimate successful, hot 30 something, but he’s also a socially challenged little weirdo who thinks his daily footlong is a flex, and I’m seriously worried about him. Surgeons can keep gift cards - that they buy themselves - behind the counter so they can grab lunch without having anything in their pockets, and this guy seems to think this is privilege at its highest & literally says, in the 2020s, “charge it to my account,” and then if I’m working he has to wait while I find his card because I don’t know his face, & then we run it in front of them. It’s a very minor perk, and impresses absolutely no one.
Someone write that book that sounds hot
If I was rewriting this book, I'd probably have Lily write to a make believe queer celebrity during her youth, make Atlas a girl she falls for but remove the father's violent reaction and the age gap, and then have Lily and Atlas reconnect in a similar way when they're adults. So it could not only be a book covering the topic of domestic violence but also point out that bisexual women are statistically victimized the most, often due to the fact that men like Ryle react with such violent jealousy and paranoia. Obviously my "script doctoring" would require a lot more tweaks, but your section discussing the Ellen letters really made me think.
Apparently this book has a sequel that actually answers the questions regarding how Ryle will react to Atlus being back in Lily's life
(spoiler: it does not go well)
My house is going to be so clean after this drops
Everybody, wear your jump suits, grab your droogies and go see A Clockwork Orange today! ^_^
@@avery_moore_reads and don’t forget to enhance your eyes 🤣
Don’t forget to drink a nice tall glass of milk while you watch!
@@avery_moore_reads bringing my most dapper cane
omg 😅 a funny thing too is they just had a midnight showing of this at my local theatre to celebrate their 70 year anniversary since opening and it was great to see in theatres
I was around when this book was published, and the number of CH fans who loved Ryle and felt bad for him was astonishing. Her posts promoting the book were littered with people defending him and wishing CH would redeem him and give him a HEA. I couldn't believe it and also wasn't surprised.
Wait, I thought Atlas was supposed to be the "true" love interest?? 😳
@bbo7002 He is, but at the time it published, there were a lot of CH fans that thought Ryle should have been redeemed.
@@maria-aquariusunboundoh yikes 😬 thanks for the info, I never heard about coho until this year so I don't know much about how things went when her books were originally published 😅 I actually used to think that coho was in her 20s and "It ends with us" was her debut novel, but it turns out she's actually middle aged & has a whole bunch of books, some of which had their beginnings on Wattpad (the "Maybe Someday" series iirc) lol
@@maria-aquariusunbound not surprising tbh most CH have the comprehension skills of a brick unfortunately
I’m always astounded at the lack of understanding CoHo has of this topic despite going through it. You’d think that, before you wrote a book with this kind of message, you’d get some therapy and read some relevant psychology books to truly understand what happened, how it happened, and why. But no, everything is just a poorly executed set piece.
Easy example: The sister knows Ryle ab*sed her best friend; in a situation like that, a character would either 1) cut the attacker off, or 2) blame the victim and cut them off. If sister wants to keep them both in her life, the victim would cut the sister off as a consequence for enabling the ab*ser. Real life gets messy, but a book needs clarity. The entire message of this book is just “ab*se is not that bad and should be forgiven”, even in the afterword, which is just unhinged. This book is not dark romance; it’s specifically intended to portray real ab*se situations. It just... makes no sense to be so wishy-washy on the messaging. Especially since this is in the YA section of every bookstore 😂
Books don't need clarity, unless you believe that every story must teach a moral lesson and every character must be an example of virtue or vice. The problem isn't when a book has characters with messy, muddled morality; the problem is when the author fails to present that morality as messy, those characters as muddled. This often happens because the author themselves is blind to the messiness.
@@kikiplum5477Yeah, I wrote this when I was VERY tired so I didn’t make my point clear at all, I think. CoHo clearly intended for this book to have a strong message (see: her afterword). The book is heavily marketed to children. Books geared at children do actually need a clear message if they write about a serious topic. You should not teach children that ab*sers are actually just good people and you need to stick around for them to change and then forgive them when they do (Lily allows Ryle in her daughter’s life, CoHo writes about how great her father was despite beating her mother).
If the book is aimed at adults, you can do whatever you want and you don’t need clarity or a message. But if you explicitly intend for the book to be a message, and then push it to children (not just, ‘oh a child reads an adult book’, but ‘a child reads a book that is explicitly marketed as YA’), you are obligated to make that message something that will not cause significant danger to the child.
i hope you know that reaching out to someone you have no contact with, whoever it is and for whatever reason, in a moment of intense emotion doesn't make you dumb. it makes you human.
Bibs sounds like a barbecue restaurant at most.
I feel like the moment it becomes unsalvageable is when it becomes clear that *Atlas* knows and is planning around the age of consent. It's like she can't help herself. Looking it up as the author is a good thing to do imo, no matter how creepy or wholesome everything else is it'd suck to be blindsided by writing accidental statutory once it's out in the world and too late. But the character doesn't have to have to same motivations as the author! Say she isn't ready and wants to wait without mentioning age. Say *he* wants to wait and subvert one of those weird gendered stereotypes you love so much! Someone gets in a car accident and is only up and about well after her birthday! He wins the lottery and spends a few months in Fiji! Literally *anything* else!
It feels like Coho's always putting her motivations for writing things a certain way directly in her characters' mouths instead of writing good characterization that would get her the outcome she wants. How many times has she written a supporting character telling the FMC to "give him a chance!" after the MMC has done something that should be an immediate relationship ender? Alyssa, the mom in Nov 9... the reason is never more convincing than a vague gesture at a tragic (probably irrelevant) backstory. She wants to keep the unacceptable action as a plot point, and she wants them to get back together. She can't end the book or get to the next plot point *until* the couple gets back together... so they just do. Building up a good reason would take too much work, so she doesn't try. He cried once, obviously this means the relationship is fine, actually! No depth allowed :/
Im having an awful day, this is such a great treat to distract myself with ❤ thank you ✨
I feel like screaming at the top of my lungs about this book/movie but my screams will not be reaching anybody. As someone who has been through a very similar experience to this Lily character (minus the pregnancy), i could never forgive the romanticising of the most traumatic thing in my life. It was the most surreal thing ever to watch this movie all the while replaying memories in my head, and then come out of the cinema to all these teenage girls complaining that Lily did not forgive gorgeous doctor Ryle oh no. THIS IS NOT A ROMANCE!! THIS GUY IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD GO FOR IN LIFE!! And worst of all THIS MOVIE IS NOT PG13 DEAR LORD!!
Thank you so, so much for this! I haven't read a single CoHo book but for some reason I've eaten up TONS of content regarding them, including Rachel Oates' work. I think it's really classy for you to shout out her coverage of the book - love to see creators supporting each other. You're always hilarious while remaining sensitive to hard subject matter and I appreciate it more than I can coherently express. While I once said during one of your lives that CoHo has enough publicity, I'd still be down to see you cover more of her books if that's what you want to do. I think you bring a valuable perspective to these issues and you have a uniquely incisive wit and humor that would make those analyses brilliant. Whatever, I'm rambling, but I appreciate you so much and I'm always thrilled to see a new video from you!
I've always imagined Atlas looking like Linguini from Ratatouille
He did look too pretty in the movie
FYI: CoHo has said she felt like she was falling for Ryle while she was writing the book. Ew.
Ew indeed!
The love interests in all her other books are just like him minus the physical abuse so not surprising honestly
Watching this video saved me from relapsing into an anxiety attack. Thanks for being hilarious and compassionate about serious and upsetting situations. 🌸
It’s been such a rough week, a rant review from Natalie is exactly what I needed ❤❤❤
I saw your sad news, I'm so sorry but I'm so glad I could help even a little. Sending love xo
@@weirdobookclub thank you ❤️
@@weirdobookclubalso 🌺 love your MK and Ashley hairstyle, I absolutely idolized them growing up. I wish it was easier to find their movies on streaming sites
The "oh my god it's Dr sexy" gif scared my cat how loud I laughed.
@@HorrorHorse6 I was in no way prepared for that to pop up on my screen. Had to take a minute after that.
@@penelopew77 it was amazing haha
Have to pause this so I can read my teenage journals/ letters to Sephiroth.
He was in therapy as long as she had been alive when she met him….
💐The thing I hate about CoHo’s book is this belief or better yet, this narrative that you should FORGIVE YOUR ABUSER?!?!? She writes this story like “just because he hits you doesn’t mean he’s a bad person” 🤬 what I got out of her authors note about her childhood was that her mother did a damn good job of hiding the reality of how bad it was and making excuses for her father. I lived something similar, but I never hid the reason I hated my sons father because I didn’t want him to grow up thinking that was acceptable behavior
I’ve been watching a lot of your videos for a while now and I just wanted to say I really appreciate your trigger warnings. I’m a writer and you’ve mentioned some that I’d never have really considered placing down as potential triggers. Thank you, you’ve really opened my eyes up to what could be potentially harmful to a consumer of the media and things that I wouldn’t have thought of before I will be more mindful of now because of your videos. ❤❤❤
watching this movie took off 10 years of my life 😭
thank you for this 🙏🏼
Your Blake lively impression almost had me spit take all over my iPad. Thank you for sharing this absolute insanity and chaos. I’m sorry you had to suffer it in order to share.
I have a ton of bracelets to make for a concert and needed something to watch so thank you! i really appreciate how you can make joke (pretty funny ones imo) while still acknowledging the serious topics :) ty for your hard work!
So this is really fucked up, but Colleen Hoover used to be a social worker. That being said. If a woman goes to court and reports physical abuse, its actually going to work in the man's favor as the court can see that as an attempt at parental alienation. Additionally, Ryle is a neurosurgeon and his enabling sister is rich. He can buy lawyers that Lily couldn't imagine, he could make her life hell. Taking him to court for supervised visits could easily backfire
they actually aged the characters up for the movie because Justin Baldoni thought that having a 30 yr old surgeon was kind of impossible unless he was some sort of child genius so his character would be like 40 and hers closer to 30 at the very least but idk if they specified ages in the movie as I haven't seen it
2 hours and 49 minutes? Just what I needed! Thank you for making the darkest time of my life lighter
2:21:02 there's another youtuber that said something about their dad recently and I couldn't help but compare the two. "And Dad if you can hear me from down there, i hope that just gave you heart burn" ~Nicque Marina
Just cause they were there doesn't excuse the pain they put you through. Abusers deserve no respect for doing the absolute minimum of what it takes to being a decent human being, imo.
I feel the need to point out, that in the first scene he was sm*king w**d, and then left when he got called into work where he's a NEUROSURGEON. I kinda feel like, if you're on call as a NEUROSURGEON, you should probably be sober? Spicy take, I know.
I feel Coleen should have done more introspection and spoken to a psychiatrist before writing this book. From the tone of it, she has a LOT of unresolved and unadressed issues with her father, which shows in the way she writes Ryle to be sympathetic and how she "fell in love with the character".
She is experiencing the consequence of her father's behaviour being excused or minimalised, even in the note at the beginning 12:52.
37:44 Not remotely the most important thing to get hung up on, BUT there's no way a bar in Boston was giving out free drinks. There are liquor laws in MA that are very strict about discounting alcoholic drinks, which is why there's no happy hour in the state.
Omg the "marine-grade polymer" shit is so funny to me idk why
Also 31:09 I also did this as a kid, but with Meteora instead of Hybrid Theory lol
24:15 I had a naked truth game with an ex. When we were arguing and someone said forehead we went head to head and whispered how we felt. He was also *abusive*
Three banger videos back to back!!! We have been blessed !
Every coho book basically ends with some version barefoot sbd pregnant
as someone way funnier than me put it, coho "leaves no father's tomb nor woman's womb undisturbed" 😔
🥀🥀🥀🥀Thanks for putting in so much time bc although I can’t bring myself to read CoHo’s books, I’m nosy and like hearing rants about books lol
31:10 omg blasting Hybrid Theory to try to communicate your anger at your parents. special shoutout to Three Days Grace’s self-titled, that was a go-to as well
"maybe if I play 'pain' enough times, my parents will realize that im suffering 🥺" -teenage me, when I was but a sweet summer child 😔
@@bbo7002 me but with “i hate everything about you”
@@mithridatic333 ooh I loved that one too, I would listen to it like "whoa, music has so much meaning! this song could be about romance OR it could be about my dad! I'm 14 & this is deep!" 😂
Also "Riot" was a fave with me when I was angry, I felt SO EDGY bc I had the explicit version on my iPod lmao 🤣
I just finished traveling to my uni in the north of Scotland, an eight hour drive 😭 this is a blessing
🌹🌸🌼🌻🪻💐🪷🌺🌷 all the flowers for you and what you just endured for us x
🌻I am glad you make these videos. I know I would never be able to read most of the books you have gone over. You make me laugh so hard, I look forward to more of your stuff. Thank you!
I think it's adorable your oldest and you got to share the dubious experience of this film together. 🌼
Thank you for talking about the fishnet tights!! It irked me to my core! I immediately pointed that out to my fiancé when we watched it. Nobody in their right mind would EVER sleep in those 😭😭
Have you heard of Colleen Hoover's first series Slammed? It involves a teacher student relationship and slam poetry. I was frothing with hate by the end
Understandable. I hate coho too ☺️
I watched most of the premiere but fell asleep after taking some cold medicine. Now here I am rewatching because it’s just that good! Thanks for suffering for our entertainment 🤣💐
An offering to the algorithm.
This is the Perfect way to unwind after work, thank you for suffering through this for all of us!
The musical interludes are hitting!
I loooove Teen Witch. I need to find a way to watch it.
1:23:27 Hooooo. I was not expecting that to trigger me. Woof.
@@colleen6644 It's on Tubi for free!
you’re quite literally my favorite youtuber!! i’d love to see more double features like this it was great!
When I tell you I ran here! Thank you so much for subjecting yourself to the worst for the best content. I refuse to read this one but needed a Natalie Megan breakdown.
🥀This rose is as limp as this story. Thank you for your service.
🌸🌸 i've watched at least 3-4 rant reviews of It Ends With Us , and once again I FORGOT THE REST OF MY COMMENT BECAUSE FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY WAS MENTIONED AND I LOVE FSOG BASHING !!!!🍉🍉
(i think i was trying to say i also enjoyed your review,,, whatever . i hate colleen hoover so i was thrilled that you were rant reviewing a book of hers)
Same slander is happiness
A Teen Witch reference?! You truly are my queen 🥹🥹
Thanks for reading this book and watching the movie so that I don't have to 🌹
🌷 this video got me through a painting project I've been procrastinating on
I actually watched the movie with my family and my only prior knowledge was that it was a romance. I’m not one for romance movies but went anyway since it was a family event. At first I was like “yknow, maybe this isn’t so bad, there’s a lot of themes of past trauma and whatnot that they could explore in a neat way”
then the movie made me realize how much I appreciated content warnings. I was actually worried that the main character would stay with Ryle in the end because of how many romances forgive characters like him. I got some enjoyment out of the movie initially, but after reading the controversy surrounding it and the fact that the book is even WORSE… yeah let’s just say that learning it was a Colleen Hoover story made everything make sense.
Oh my, you've blessed us with an almost 3 hour video of funny snark! And btw your audio is 100x better now,l thanks for investing in a mic for us
Weird that a neurosurgeon is, like, setting bones and talking about hearts. Like, i get that he would probably have more general medical knowledge, but if we wanted a doctor who does such things, why not an ER doc? Why someone with such a specific specialty? It just feels odd...
Hadn’t thought about that! That could’ve worked or She could’ve done a heart surgeon cause they’re on the same vibe as a neurosurgeon (those two professions can have real-godlike personalities).
Also in the beginning he’s in his residency. Residents do NOT make a lot of money. Is he like old money rich then?
I grew up with one parent abusing the other. I know every person comes out of situations with different opinions and issues, but I am absolutely gobsmacked Hoover wrote this and then felt comfortable labeling it as a romance and having the description completely hide the abusive aspects of the plot.
At the beginning of the video I was literally wondering why your hair looked so bad I’m sorry😂😂😂 it usually looks really good so u did a good job doing a Blake lively impression
The references in this video are on point! Hilarious
Your absolutely taking this topic more seriously than Blake
Honestly same girl. I wouldn’t have a single nice thing to say about my sperm donor.
The first introduction is so odd, like I understand a funeral complicated emotions (also work at a funeral home)
But the roof scene just seems like a worst written Rose & Jack meeting scene.
Ah yes, a grown a** man having a temper tantrum like a toddler is sooo sexy.
Don’t you let anyone tell you otherwise, I freaking love the serious cap moments!! 😂
Everyone has bad days. Everyone has big feelings 😱 spit facts Ryle
Also noooooo thank you! You just show up unannounced to my house and wake me up, I’m sicking my dog on him. Big ole red flag
I commented the same on Alizee’s video reviewing the book, and while it’s repetitive I have a strong distaste for CoHo so I will happily slander her again.
I read a book recently called Book Lovers by Emily Henry that is, in short, the anti-Hallmark love story of the bitchy city girlfriend being dragged to a quaint countryside town only to fall in love with her asshole coworker who is also from the city and they both hate it in the little town. The story is more than that but for the purposes of summarising and no spoilers, that’s all you’re getting.
I bought it because of that description, only to see to my horror on the store page that CoHo was a fan.
And after reading the book, I have no idea why because no assault, abuse or romanticising of either of those things happens in the book! There are no weird names! There are some 🌶️ scenes (not for me but for most people) but again they are fully consensual! Whenever someone says no, the other backs off to give them space with no questions asked! Absolutely baffled that CoHo liked it, but perhaps her “broken clock twice a day”.
One thing that makes me irrationally angry, other than the obvious stuff which makes me rationally angry, is BIBS. BIBS?? Better in Boston sssssssss 🌺🌹
The chokehold MKA’s hair in So Little Time had on me in middle school… So glad to see it get the recognition and respect it deserves.
I used to write letters in the same way that Lily does to Johnny Depp’s character Cry Baby. Look I was ten and he was so dreamy.
I can't even lie I noticed your hair immediately lol
Only Natalie can say something substantive and useful while doing an in-depth review for a Colleen Hoover book. It's like how traumatic experiences can also be a hotbed for personal growth. Come for the jokes, leave with a little pocket of wisdom.
I'm so glad I stumbled across your content! I love your videos ❤🌸
When you’re blessed it shows//I’m so excited about the content but something about this book and deep dives bring up weird uncomfortable feelings and repressed emotions for me 😭 liking and commenting regardless 🩵
COHO and her circus aside your cat is cute mine look kinda like them , also your last look is so pretty girly
Here for the commentary.
Living for your opinions and the lore drops equally.
Edit: Okay, on a more serious note: I did grow up like that and ended up with some not so stellar guys. I didn’t fully grasp WHY this book bothered me until you took the time to do a serious cap and explain it to me.
I’m real time learning and reframing what’s been done to me and what it actually meant (not triggered, just acknowledging) and I’m honestly so grateful for you and the fact you take that time to explain those aspects and what they can DO to someone.
You are actively helping and healing me, and I appreciate that a lot.
Edit 2: You have a LOT of good writing advice and the “naming places” hit so hard. I’m writing a book, it’s on the first draft, but the inn I had was workshopped in the ideas as “Ink and Bone” or something. That’s SILLY. I ended up calling it “Hydan’s” which is the name of the owner (and a key area/side character).
I couldn’t imagine having the first name now, I’m very grateful I looked it over and adjusted.
… it took me so long but in my first meeting with Ryle is probably ask if he is easily riled
Girl thank you 😂 this was a huge sacrifice. Flowers for you and your son for sitting through that movie💀🥀😂
At first, I was like: the marketing of the book felt very irresponsible, as I wouldnt want a ipv survivor to pick this book expecting "escape" and receiving "retraumatisation" instead. But then, you said the book was dedicated to her abusive dad and now it all makes sense. F*ck survivors amiright?!
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