Top 5 3800 Mods Under $100
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Who says modding your 3800 has to be expensive? Bo shows off his favorite inexpensive mods for your 3800-powered vehicle.
#ZZP #ZZPerformance #GoFasNotBroke #regalgs #buick #chevrolet
ZZP is located in Wyoming, MI. We are the world’s largest supplier of aftermarket performance parts for 3800, Sonic/Cruze, Ecotec, and ATS platforms, providing industry-leading customer service and support.
Our staff of professionals has experienced knowledge in all the vehicle platforms we represent. ZZPerformance is dedicated to 100% customer satisfaction. We provide you with highly specific technical information, that can’t be found anywhere else.
Interested in modding your car? Check out our parts at zzperformance.com
Questions about modding? Email us at customerservice@zzperformance.com
Nice that the 3800 is still getting some love. I have a Series II 3800 stuffed in my 89 Cavalier Z24. Been eyeing the headers myself :)
How long did that take to put that in your z24?
@@madmaxxxthen30-rwofficialm23 a long weekend. Took longer to get the MS3 (Megasquirt) custom ECU built, programed and tuned.
@@Jay-vo7ls oh damn I asked because I'm working on doing that to my 04 Pontiac Grand Am GT. And sadly I don't have time or a garage so I have to wait. Were The original mounts for your car enough to fit in or You have to fabricate your own?
@@madmaxxxthen30-rwofficialm23 Had to fab all mounts. My Father n' Law has a shop and is a fabrication wizard. I built the MS3 computer and did all the wiring and tuning. Without him, it would have taken me for ever...
ruclips.net/video/HZTnhl_KD-o/видео.html
YES......3800 STUFF😎
To bad mine isn’t supercharged.
@@SuperSickNerd Too bad they all blow intake gaskets around 120k miles.
@@JustAGuy85 that just happened to me at 118k miles. Costed 2.2k to fix.
@@SuperSickNerd Yep, they ALL do it. I am not sure why no one mentions it when talking about how "good" the 3800 engines are. No they aren't. Not a one of them will ever hit 200k miles without blowing a LIM gasket.. or whatever it is. Just like the 3100/3400's. They had a head/intake gasket that was shared.
Not sure if the 3800 II is the same or not, but I've got a blown gasket on mine right now, too, and I flushed the coolant at 50 or 60k miles, too.
It's just inevitable. A design flaw.
The best engine out there is the 4.6 V8 2v as far as reliability goes IF you ask me.
You can't blow those things up. Sure, they don't make big power for a V8. I know that. Sure, they don't have low end torque like you'd expect from a V8.
But as far as longevity? Ford's 4.6 2v is the king. I had the 4.6 SOHC 2v HO in a 1994 Thunderbird LX. LOVED that engine. Slow? Absolutely... especially with the 3.08's in that IRS rear end.
But it sounded great and it was bullet proof.... and it was far more comfortable than this 2000 Buick Park Avenue. Handled better, too. I mean, it had IRS ffs. The 94-95 had the 4.6 HO with 3.08's and the 96-97's had 3.27's... or is it 3.23's. Whichever the Ford 8.8" rear end uses. 3.27's, I believe. But for a 3800 pound car, that thing pulled every hill in overdrive over here in east TN on the highways, no matter the hill.
This stupid 4000 pound V6 Buick is constantly shifting out of gears to pull the lightest of hills.
I am a Ford man. I worked in a garage with my dad (who is the best mechanic around) from around 03-08, then on and off after that. He owned his own garage and we worked on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that pulled in.
THAT is what made me a Ford man. Never had to work on them. I got to see what cars had which common problems. While I always prefer a manual transmission, the 4R70W in the Thunderbird was also twice the transmission that the 4L60E's were. Can't count how many 4L60E rebuilds we did... from C5 vettes to Chevrolet 1500's. Didn't matter, they all tear up with ANY sort of abuse.
That Ford 4R70W in the Thunderbird? I literally chirped the tires going into second gear several times a day for a year (until someone hit me and totaled it). NEVER an issue.
How did such a dog of a car chirp the tires? Well, on a Ford, at least in those year models with that transmission, if you put the automatic shifter into 2nd, it stays in 2nd... whether you are at a dead stop or moving or whatever. So it'd force it into second, and I'd gas it at the right moment and it'd literally "sskrrt" into second lmao. Funny stuff. I think it was to help with traction in snow or something, so you could take off in 2nd gear. I dunno.
I know some 4L60E's had it in things like Firebirds, there was a button you could press that would make it take off in second. But nonetheless, those transmissions were junk. The 4L60E is just a 700R4 with more electronics.
If V6 cars blow them up, I dunno why GM thought they'd be a good choice for V8 anythings, ESPECIALLY half ton trucks.
@@SuperSickNerd I have had a tank of a truck for around 12-14 years, now. A 1986 F-150 with the 5.0 EFI. NP435 trans (6.69 1st gear ratio), Ford 9" rear with 3.50:1 ratio, NP208 transfer case.
It has needed TWO things in all that time. One is the timing chain and gears. Admittedly, they should have used steel from the factory, but they didn't. And the second was a TPS that was like $15 back then.
And a headlight or two.
And I have raised absolute HELL in that truck, on and off road. Dana 44 IFS in the front. 31x10.50 15" tires. It's a short bed/short wheel base and it will go anywhere in the snow or mud. Love that thing and will never sell it.
Keep the 3800 vids coming!!
2005 LeSabre can be a sweet looking car! Comfortable daily driver. 3800 Performance there for fun too.
just got one with only 55k on the clock its super smooth to drive man i love it
This is perfect to start building my 1998 Oldsmobile 88. this baby is gonna her a clean start to the supercharge build to my 3800 v6
Don't even have a 3800 but here I am
bro same but I plan on getting a Bonneville
just got a 2001 gtp and i appreciate the 3800 vids.
I had the same car. You can mod them for cheap and make they pretty quick cars all things considered. Also try keep her maintained well those engines are great. So much I sold it and picked up a 2006 GT supercharged series 3
Autolite spark plugs? You’re kidding right? ACDelco all the way!
Right Who in their right mind would use a fucking auto light
Someone paid to sponsor
In a pinch I'd take Autolite over ACDelco(just a Champion with a different name). I've worked in Auto shops for over 30 years and ranked #1 around all those shops is NGK. Slap some TR55's at .040 in your 3800 and forget about it.
@@SternLX I'm curious if there is a cold or heat range in that? What day be a tr65 or a tr75?
@justinfix3329 nascar based and recommended by a high performance engineering company in Australia!
Nice. These tips right here will help me a lot. I just recently got bit by the L67 Series II bug. Picked up a 04' Monte Carlo SS Intimidator for a song and a dance. Was a favor to unload it from the guy. It has it's issue's so I was going to fix it and flip it(I'm a Ford Mustang guy, have been for 35 years). But now that I've been messin' with it, think I'll keep it. It only has 110k miles on the clock but it has Vacuum leaks EVERY WHERE!
I'm gonna look at the fuel pump wires for my park avenue. Needs a new pump anyway, no gas gauge....
Also putting in new egr valve and purge solenoid, might as well put on some new hosiery for the old girl! Thanks for this!
Ps. Nothing can change the look for the better more than a set of wheels. Discount Tire Direct had me covered with a 4th of July sale few years ago. “Two spoke five spoke,” two tone black and silver MB 15” wheels changed LeSabre looks like night to day! More modern look totally gorgeous with car. Also saved almost five pounds rolling weight per wheel! Much better response. Gas mileage boost. Just rolls amazingly as well. Can just about idle at any speed with a slight downhill. Large downhills the car accelerates with foot off the gas! Fun fun. 🏆👍✌️❤️
1998 buick regal & 2001 buick lesabre here, the BEST AMERICAN COMPANY V6
You left out the mandatory rocker panel delete kit... Seriously....where are you guys finding clean ones!? Lol
i have 2 that are in excellent shape and i dont drive them in the winter. we have a 97 grand prix SE 3800 L36 and a 2003 bonneville SSEi
Great tips. Thank you.
Definitely a nice selection of parts to have.
Much thanks!
I like all the love 3800 gets . But I'm new to the LS4 and I'm sad that it doesn't get as much love .
Same, bro. I got an impala ss with the ls4. Luckily a lot of the transmission mods can transfer over, because they use the exact same 4l65eHD. You'll want to beef that up. After that, the ls4 is just like the ls6. You can throw on an intake from an lq4 or an ls2 to get a better flow rate, then an exhaust, bigger injectors, then a tune. My camaro is the one with the 3800 lol
That sounds like a blast, though. I'm sure there are some huge restrictions exhaust-wise on the cars those come in. Full size cars typically are made to be as quiet as possible.
I'd say just opening up the exhaust would do wonders on an engine like that.
Put you at 1k likes, this grand prix is about to 180
I’m buying it next week new v6 motor I bought that’s a 3800 has 260 hp gonna keep adding a bunch of little stuff to it
Bruh... The autolite pugs 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, bit odd. He may has well have went Motorcraft.
You stick with Motorcraft in a Ford and AC Delco in GM.
Need to save a few bucks for can't get Motorcraft, THEN you get Autolite for Ford.
But if it runs good it runs good.
Dude may have cross referenced a Motorcraft oil filter in place of the AC Delco oil filter for that 3800II, too ;-)
I'm just a big believe in Motorcraft for Ford and AC Delco for GM. That goes for plugs and oil filters. Not oil or anything... not that Motorcraft oil isn't great.
Motorcraft oil filters used to be made by Purolator (a great brand) and we'd cut them open and find that it was a mix of two of the top tier Purolator oil filters.
I don't trust auto-manufacturers when it comes to oil because it's purely EPA BS trying to make us run 5W-20 or 0W-20, while the EXACT same engine across the country will call for a 5W-40 or 15W-40 or even 20W-50.
So, keep that 20 weight oil out of your cars. That's an American thing pushed by politicians paid out by lobbyists.
@@JustAGuy85 Some auto brand oil filters are also just mid-quality, when compared to some of the nicer filters (Wix, Mobil1 extended performance, and yes, Fram ultra synthetic. Ignore the brand sadly tainted by the orange junk. This one is a good filter.). Depends on the type of course.
I've seen some Motorcraft (and Purolator) pleat split and filter medium warp/collapse. Common for Purolator, I've read many times. Delcos are Champs I believe, and seem good.
They're leagues above the cheap orange Frams or no name junk though. I'd use em if there weren't any Wix, M1, or Ultra Synth filters in stock. I wish Wix were more common in stores, come to think of it.
@@JulianA-tr6pt Yeah, I know Wix is one of those great brands. There are a few Purolator brands, like Purolator One and whatnot, and like ya said, Motorcraft filters are made by Purolator. They are a mix of two types of Purolator last I checked.
I don't cut open all my filters, but of the ones I have cut open, I haven't personally seen any issues or quality problems.
I still just tend to stick with Motorcraft with Ford and AC Delco with GM.
Unfortunately, my Motorcraft filter is for an 86 F-150 5.0 EFI... so it's the FL-1A, not the nicer FL-820s with the higher quality ADBV material. But it does hold a lot of oil, it's quite the large filter. I've cut those open a handful of times and posted online, people seemed to like what they saw.
But that doesn't mean I haven't had an issue on one I didn't cut open and didn't realize it, of course.
Yeah, the Mobil1 EP filters are supposed to be exceptionally well made. And I've never used a Wix but they have a great reputation. Maybe I'll give one of those a shot. On the other hand, I hate to fix something that isn't broken.
Finally! I have all these mods and my next step is the downpipe, transmission swap
my trans is getting replaced rn 😭
My second gear be shifting ruff
@@axelherrera5279 Same with my transmission, it was shifting fine at one point.. 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@savvy6995 lol I think it's one of thee solenoids
@@axelherrera5279 after reading a couple forums that's exactly what it is!..
Why am I here? It still doesn't run
Damn bro been there 😂 don’t worry you’ll get her going don’t lose hope 🫡🇺🇸 2000 Grand Prix over here
Do you have to change to 5w 30 after installing the oil volume kit ??? Serious question or can I continue to use my Normal 10w 30
3800 for the win
I put a ZZ performance PCM in my 2000 Buick GS. I'd be surprised if it didn't add 25% more power.
I would say these were very thoughtful and practical first upgrades for any series II considering the age of any motor/car you can get your hands on with the motor. Great recommendations to ensure the car is running like new and maybe even bring back some lost HP
does high flow fuel filter make diffrence ?
does it make the car run richer ?
The fuel filter will not cause a difference in air fuel ratio. The high flow fuel filter is an upgrade over the stock filter, but is still a maintenance part in the end.
3800!!!
1994 Buick Park Avenue N/A (not an ultra) Where can I find supercharger for it? & what mods would go great with it ?
Was changing the fuel sending unit in the gas tank of my 07 Buick lacrosse 3800 and found a silver spring .5”x2”. Any idea what the spring goes to?
Thanks 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Need some feedback(new to channel)lucking out on my $700 buy. 3rd owner on paper 2nd in actuality, original 58,000mi(75,000mi now)1991 Buick Century Custom with a 209ci(3300)4sp auto. Was wanting any feedback on the 3300 pros/cons not going to abuse her lol, the Blue Turd is a cruiser everything works except speedometer(when it wants to), cruise control, horn. Thank you in advance & back to view all past videos.
Guys can i add a cold intake on the 06 lacrosse cx?
I have noticed there's E15 and E20 along with E85.
I'll just stick with E85 if it's still available
so the 05 GP skips the fuel filter, and just has the fuel rewire kit ?
Mine's is a 04 and it has won lead out and in for the fuel filter is there something wrong?
Can you get a awd conversion kit
My regal just started having misfire issues that might solve it
Ps. I know I need new vacuum hoses too! Wish I could roll in for svc at your center, and roll out gang busters a day or two later.
Zzperformance feel off when they started discontinued 3800 parts the w body is becoming more popular now then ever. Just better looking full size cars then this new techy stuff and perform with simple suspension upgrades
What? Brother, we are the only people truly supporting the 3800 still! Unfortunately, the 3800 vehicle has been out of production for over a decade now, but we are STILL supporting the platform and making NEW parts that just came out months ago and currently redesigning MULTIPLE parts to bring to the market. To say ZZPerformane fell off because of parts that either A) people wouldn't spend the money on, or B) we couldn't source the parts for....that just isn't accurate. The 3800 is ramping up again, but unfortunately as they are crashed, sold off, mistreated, etc there are fewer and fewer of them on the road. The OG days in the early 2000s were the most popular, but don't think we stopped supporting the platform because something is out of stock.
My bad don't get me wrong we love zzp here we race 4 different 3800s in multiple styles of racing . We just hope and wish zzp stays a grass root go fast not broke company. Because where on every new part like the super core intercooler😮.
Do you guys have any products for a NA L27 3800 series I?
What DJ said. 3800 series I needs some goodies.
Will this work for my Camaro
Yeah, good mods.
Right after you replace the intake/head gasket that they all blow.
Don't get me wrong.
Internally... the 3800 (I and II) are solid engines as far as pistons, rods, crankshaft. I mean, so long as you aren't throwing 80 psi at them lol.
But, take a stock 3800II (NA) and those suckers "could' run forever getting 32-35mpg on the highway.
But they had the worst design flaw. They ALL blow a gasket. I used to hear it was because people didn't change the dex-cool coolant out before 100k mile because it was "rated" for that. So I changed mine (flushed and everything myself) every 40k miles.
I was ON TOP of maintenance. I was an early maintenance kinda guy on that car. It was my great aunt's, she gave it to my grandmother, then I got it. Had ilke 97k miles in 2017. It's a 2000 model. Stored in a climate controlled basement under the house with a concrete floor and dehumidifier. Always about 60F in there.
Whatdya know? Losing coolant. Missing. White team coming out the tailpipe. Fuel economy down. Take the oil cap off while it's running and it sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Uses a quart of oil ever 600-800 miles.
I hate GM. Gimme a 4.6 SOHC 2v ANY DAY over a 3800II. I'd take a Crovn Vic over a Park Ave 10/10 times. Might not have the nice looks nor the creature comforts... but they are bullet proof.
Sorry, can't help it. I went Ford guy a long time ago when I got a $1200 1994 Ford Thunderbird LX at an auction. 4.6 SOHC HO (same as the Mustang GT engines) with the 4R70W transmission. 8.8" rear end. IRS.
It needed a MAF sensor and transmission fluid change. I ran it hard. ZERO other issues. ZERO. I just did maintenance. Oil, plugs, fuel filter.
Yes, Ford's are not as "fast" as GM's, not back in those days. These days, yeah, the 10-speed auto Mustangs smoke everything, but I'm talking back then.
My 4.6 V8 had 205 horsepower. My 3800II has 205 horsepower lol. Biggest difference is the 4.6 had 265 ft-lbs torque and the Buick 3800II had 225 ft-lbs torque. I pulled many hills in OD with a 3.08:1 rear end in that Thunderbird that the Buick HAD to downshift in.
I mean, not a huge prob, it still got 32-34+ mpg while the 4.6 got more like 26mpg at best on the highway.
But it NEVER had an issues and it'd go across the country and back with zero worries.
The best mods you can do to a 3800 II is sell it and buy a Ford.
You typed all that… to say I small problem. 🤣
@@SUETV940 It's not a "small" problem. It's an all day job. No, not 24 hours, but "all day" as in, it'd take me the better part of a day to fix it. This isn't your old school RWD V8 in an F--150. It's crammed in there sideways and I don't care who you are, it's not a fun job. Replaced 3 intake/head gaskets on the 3.1's (like in the Lumina and Monte Carlo from the late 90's) 3x times.
They blew them, too. They were more of a combo gasket. The gasket was part intake/part head gasket if I remember correctly. So, they blew the intake gasket, but there was more to it than that to repair it.
I've been working on cars for exactly 22 years. There comes a point you just get absolutely sick of it. All you want to do is change plugs, oil, flush coolant, change transmission fluid... basic stuff. I mean, even changing alternators and other accessories aren't bad.
But I literally get SICK when it comes to jobs that take more than an hour. It's not a small job, so let's just drop that condescending BS and quit pretending like you know how to work on cars.
@@SUETV940 And I typed all that to say "Ford > GM" all day, every day. From the ride to the engines to the transmission to the rear end. In these years, you could have a Ford with a 4.6 V8, if it's auto, a 4R70W (FAR superior to GM's 4L60E or ANY GM auto transmission) and a Ford 8.8" rear end. They're bullet proof.
This GM is falling apart all over whereas that 1994 Thunderbird @ 160k miles had zero issues. ZERO issues.
I think I'd rather stop leak this Buick, sell it, and buy an older Ford.
I will say the Park Ave looks better than a Crown Vic, but... who cares? I'd rather know I can make my 800 mile round trip every month than have to borrow a car "just in case" lol.
There's a reason cop cars were Crown Vics, taxis are Crown Vics and other companies use Crown Vics. They are the most reliable platform you can get. Even the older stuff, like my 1986 F-150 5.0 EFI with the NP435 trans/NP208 T-case/Dana 44 front/Ford 9" rear (3.50:1) is bullet proof. Find a 1986 Chevy 1500 that isn't blowing blue smoke like a train with a blown 700R4 tranny in it. Actually, it probably would have a TH350... also junk. C4 > TH350. C6 and the TH400 are both tough, though. But a C4 will outlast a TH350 all day, every day. Same for the later model Chevy trucks. They put 4L60E's in their 1/2 ton trucks, their V6 Camaros, their V8 Camaros, their C5 Vettes, etc. I've pulled a 4L60E out of every single one of those I mentioned working in a garage.
GM is trash. Yes, in those years, they'd smoke a Ford in a drag race. Then they'd need to be towed home by the Ford.
What do they throw in hot rods? C6 transmissions and 9" Ford rear ends. Then they bolt it all up to a disgusting 350 V8 that needs to be rebuilt every 10k miles. Coulda had a 408W stroker motor, instead, but people have deep pockets, I reckon.
Even the LS1 fbodies are junk. 99% junk with a strong engine. An engine that has failures all around it. An engine that will also bend push rods if you hit red line too many times lol.
Yeah, I can't stand GM and I'll type about it ALL day long. I've got years of stories about how trash they are.
Oh oh... they made one great platform. The Cavalier. Reliable as all get out. No transmission issues. Great fuel economy. The 2.2 Ecotec can keep on chugging along without any issues and the transmission is solid.
But who wants to drive that around? You'd get crushed like a tin can if anything hit you. Still, though, credit where credit is due. Great platform. Pretty much the same engine in the Chevy S-10 from those years, which is another great platform.
I guess GM can make a decent automobile... if they keep it under 120 horsepower and don't stick more than 4 cylinders in it.
Unfortunately my fuel filter is inside the tank.. 05 grand prix
Hey man so I’ve been wondering could I just throw on a supercharger to a stock 95 3800 series 2 or would I have to rebuild the engine??
It’s gonna be a lot of work and finding parts from a supercharged engine the best thing to do would be find an l67 from a bonneville and Drop it in a car you want with the l67s wiring harness
Can anyone link me the vacuum lines and the
Are these mod applicable for the gen 1?
Unfortunately not, the Gen 1/Series 1 3800 is considerably different than the Series II/III that we work on here at ZZPerformance.
@ZZPerformanceChannel any suggestions Where or how I can spice this thing up a bit? I'm thinking turbo.
Come on guys 🤦 I was on the website ordering a few things at 9pm in Cali. You closed the deal on your end east coast midnight. That's some bull for black Friday.
Just bought a 01 firebird ,3.8.
Could i shop at zzp for tune up?
Shoot us an email at customerservice@zzperformance.com and let us know what you're looking for, we'd be happy to help!
@@ZZPerformanceChannel ok !
Make one for the top mods for over $100💪 im tryna build my Grand Prix gtp UPPP😈🤙😊
The 3800 isn’t dead yet………
It will never die
I'll add need to drain flush out that crap dex coolant and replace with phosphate and silicone free new coolant. The regular pos dex coolant is what kills headgaskets, intake gaskets, water pumps and causes corrosive =ie planned obsolescence planned breakages and kills the car on purpose.
Nice video. Could do without the music
These aren't mods as much as this is just a tune-up kit...
Basic maintenance.. nothin to take here..
Cheeseburger
really AUTOLITE? NO. NO NO ! AC DELCO
the NGK TR6 and Autolite 104s are 100% better than the OEM ACDelco plug. they're the best 2 plug for the 3800 market
@@ryanderrick656 autolites ae JUNK
Do you suggest a 97 Camaro 3800 series 2 plug gap at .04....I get miss fire codes at top end, 5000-6000 rpms
Oiled filters suck ass if you have a mass air flow sensor. They get oil all over them and reduce your power.
I was with you til you started talking about those trash spark plugs
𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐦