AMD RX 6500 XT is Worse Than 2016's GPUs: Benchmarks vs. GTX 1060, 970, 960, & RX 580
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- AMD's RX 6500 XT GPU is sometimes worse than a GTX 1060 and RX 580, embarrassingly for AMD. Our benchmarks and review compare PCIe 3 vs. 4 results, gaming, power, and more.
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The XFX RX 6500 XT QICK gets benchmarked vs. the GTX 1660, 1660 Ti, RTX 2060, RX 6600 XT, and more. Most interestingly, we pulled a bunch of Pascal and Maxwell GPUs from the dead to benchmark against: The tests include 2022 benchmarks for the GTX 970, GTX 960 4GB, RX 580 8GB, GTX 1060 6GB, and even the 980 Ti vs. the RX 6500 XT 4GB card. Includes PCIe Gen4 x4 vs. PCIe Gen3 x4 benchmarks.
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03:08 - Major Issues on the 6500 XT
07:18 - PCIe Gen3 vs. Gen4 x4 Results
10:05 - Strange Brigade Gen3 vs. Gen4 x4 RX 6500 XT Benchmarks
12:35 - Total War: Three Kingdoms GPU Benchmarks
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Pcie is backward compatible for most settings . feasibly could go as far back as pcie gen 1 or 2 on a core 2 duo system for real. The card would auto detect what bandwidth it can use . Feels bad man. losing out in all aspects. weird choice unless its for prebuilt systems/new low end chips so the other 12 lanes can be used for ssds or anything else. odd
My current setup from 2019 has a 5700XT in it, which did cost 440€ back then. The 6500XT perhaps gets sold for the same price here. We are going backwards now. Can't wait for the new ATI Rage 128, which will launch next year.
@@Blubbstock i wish someone restarted CRT monitor production. that way we can rock these cards in 1024x768 like it's 2002. screw FSR, i can take off my glasses and get the same effect.
Oy, what's Laura doing in Cyberpunk @ 9:35?
Just so you know, at 9:55 (ish) the lower right pane stated "Cyberpunk 2077" but it was actually one of the Tomb Raider games that was being shown.
never thought a day will come where i'd feel better about my current setup after watching reviews of new stuff.
Yeah, so many people with 1060. I mean it cannot do raytracing, but you can play most games so it is perfectly fine.
@@iloveblender8999 got an rx580 comprable to this card but at this point i dont care i have 3 builds i need running if i can get this card at its REAL price i dont give a shit about it competing with old cards that are being scalped to high hell.
My 8GB RX 580 is still going strong all these years later!
Same, still running a 970 here.
I still use a 980ti with my CRT monitor at 1280 X 1024. 😀 All games tested so far. 85fps locked. No blur and great colours and true blacks.
Never thought I'd see the day when I was depending on Intel to bring reasonable pricing to a market...any market.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
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I doubt it because Intel could price it more and still sell out sadly
Intel had always the best value products in the long run..
That's because people have been brainwashed by the narrative that AMD loves his customers and will never become the villain like Intel supposedly did.
@@stopthefomo we can hope for. The motives are there, and maybe it will be like Alder Lake where they still launch a wide-range of CPU even until entry-level.
Thank you AMD for making my old GPU feel current gen.
Even some GT710s are chuckling.
This isn't a next gen card... it's marketed as a budget card that you can actually buy at the store for people that need a card, not people that already have one.
@Sneeg used cards could fail
@Sneeg Sure go ahead and buy a used Geforce 580 that will die in a month and uses 300 watts of power
so rx6500xt is what name in old gpu?
It's crazy to see AMD and their board partners manufacture e-waste on a global scale.
the hypocrisy.
@LabRat Knatz lmao the 5500XT isn't 1080p capable lmao.
A GTX 1060 is better
@LabRat Knatz "just sitting around" sounds like e-waste to me 👀
@LabRat Knatz bruh 6500 xt sounds like it struggles at 1080p
@LabRat Knatz I didn't even say anything about fps but ok, that was another time when 30-45 fps is acceptable or tolerable however that standard is 60fps as of right now, depending on the game that is all you need. In an eSports title you would need high fps such as 200-300fps.
Dang it's only been few weeks after worst PC parts build in 2021 and there's already a candidate for 2022.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
@@thelightsilent 6500XT being a bad product, doesn't mean Radeon are only capable of making bad products. No idea why that needs to be said, but some people don't think critically, or in good faith, I guess.
GN's Disappointment Builds are my favorite.
@@thelightsilent Sadly for that to be a thing AMD needs to become as predatory with their software and anti-consumer like Nvidia for it to work.
But apparently AMD is stupid enough to believe that just scamming their consumer base is good enough.
we found our shit GPU for the build!
AMD playing a game of "how shitty can we make a GPU until it stops being scalped?"
Also, just 3 weeks into January and we already have potentially the first piece of Disappointment PC 2022!
wasn't the 3080 12gb also released this year ?
@@kingplunger6033 yep.
3090ti As Well
It's a good strat, they have made it terrible enough that it's bad for mining.
Also the die size is real small, AMD should have as many of these as people want to buy at MSRP.
I have a PCIe 2.0 system and I think it will perform terribly because of the x4 so I can't really consider this, which is too bad. Maybe a new system with this card until prices come down is the right answer. Remember that RTX 3050 will be $249 +80% = $450 so more than double this (and its performance is not double).
It's already being scalped on Ebay for $400-550.
The 6500XT *really* feels to me like it's a laptop-intended MX450 competitor being pushed way, way too far.
Here's my guess. Navi 24 was intended to be a ~30-40W low-end GPU that gets put in mid-range, semi thin-and-light laptops. It's supposed to be faster than the iGPU while being cheap and requiring little board space or cooling.
You might imagine it clocked at ~1.2GHz. It would probably draw 1/3 the power and have 1/2 the performance. It would crush the MX450 at those clocks (~2500 Time Spy vs. ~1700 for the MX450). It would also crush iGPUs (~2x compared with Iris Xe 80EU or Ryzen 5000 APUs).
PCIe x4 and 64-bit memory makes sense for this segment; board space and cost are both big problems, and at half the clocks you wouldn't be running into bottlenecking. The MX450 is also 64-bit and every use I am aware of is PCIe x4.
No video decode makes sense for this segment. These laptops always have an iGPU that would have video decode anyway.
So, my guess is, AMD designed Navi 24 for the MX450 segment. But they found out that it clocks better than expected if you throw voltage at it. That doesn't do much good in a laptop (no one wants a 100W GPU in a laptop with less performance than an RX 580).
Normally, a 100W GPU with the performance of an RX 580 would be DOA in the desktop space in 2022. But we're not in normal times. We're in a time where almost no one can buy a GPU even at the crazy inflated MSRPs.
So someone gets a "good" idea at AMD. Let's take this low-end MX450-competitor GPU designed for laptops. Let's throw voltage and clock at it until we've gotten every drop of performance out of it, even if we are way on the bad end of the efficiency curve. Now, for very little R&D cost, we have something that's basically the performance of the RX480, at slightly lower power. And because it was designed for dirt cheap laptops (64-bit memory, PCIe x4) , the boards are cheap for the AIB manufacturers.
AMD could probably sell this thing for $100 and still have good margins for both themselves and the AIB partners. But of course, they don't have to. They can set a $199 MSRP and they will *still* fly off the shelves, because there isn't anything better right now.
All of this makes perfect sense from AMD's perspective. That doesn't mean we need to like it. AMD is cashing in, just like NVIDIA is cashing in. The only things that are going to change this are:
(A) Some kind of mining bust that floods the market with used cards
(B) Intel launching Arc, it being actually competitive, and Intel deciding not to play along with the high prices (good luck on that)
(C) Reduction in demand for GPUs
The impeding ARC launch to mobile being more competitive than AMD expected is likely why these chips are being redirected.
This is exactly what happened
You are confirmed correct, my friend. See the tech news outlets.
@Captain_Morgan For sure, there's a 25% tariff on this card so AMD is only getting 160 at most in revenue from every card sold (to my knowledge they don't benefit from AIB markup, they need the AIB's to make the PCB's and casings for the cards).
200 bucks is probably the absolute lowest they could sell it for honestly.
Yeah making a whole new die design with a larger die and lower clocks would make for a better/more efficient product, but also a MUCH more expensive one. They took the best option to satisfy a hungry market selling as cheap as they can and people are shitting on them for it. The small die also means they can flood the market to bring prices down for people.
This card for 200-270 on PCIe 4.0 (most with 3.0 mobos have a card already) is way better for a new buyer than paying 350-400 for a 5 year old used card. You also have to pay shipping and taxes for said card on eBay which Newegg doesn't charge in my state. It absolutely will alleviate the stress on the market and I fully expect prices on used 1650's to come down now due to this.
how does PCIe X4 make sense in a desktop card?
It's so funny that AMD removed their press release post saying that 4GB of RAM isn't enough for modern games around this card's release
4gb is fine for 1080p. As long as you don't need every single setting maxed out. It will be fine for a couple more years.
@@Logan_93 No it's not
this aged like milk@@Logan_93
this is what happens when the market has no reason to be competitive :/
for 200$ and someone with recent enough CPU (and not shitnel) it's good, sadly no one sells at MSRP
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
You should watch Moore's law is dead video about it,he explains the card and why it has only 4 lanes
@@petervansan1054 how is a card that loses to 200$ card from 2016 a "good product" to anyone. This card is one of the biggest jokes ive seen in past 7 years
@@DOdS1 bro he's so full of it. this card did not need a 45 percent margin its low end. you do not have high margins on low end cards normally.
I wish the 5500XT would have been included in the bench mark results just to show that a 5500 XT is a better card even!
Holy shit you're right. The 5500 xt is literally faster. Just saw some other benchmarks.
@@eliasroflchopper3006 5500 xt is also much more expensive and much more scalped for mining
@UCnjoc5AypRps12sfggFv7Rw Because naming and specs. 5500XT has PCI-e x8 and has 128 bit memory bus. But for whatever reason named this card as a 6500XT but is only PCI-e x4 and 64 bit memory bus. LOL!
@@petervansan1054 the 5500xt is a terrible mining card
@Andrew Smith same dude! I got mine for $160 (8gb version) on a Newegg shell shocker.
About 2 years ago or so, my video card died, and I needed a decent card to carry me through the GPU crisis. I was able to find a very nice 580 8G on eBay for... $149. About four months later that same card was going for 290 on eBay. The GPU crisis has not calmed down, and AMD gives us this.
I have made the best eBay purchase of my life lmao. I'm hoping I can get maybe another 2-3 years out of my 580, and GPU prices (and supply) comes back to earth, I'll be happy to knock my socks off for $400. Yes, $400. before the crisis, there was a such thing as mid-tiered cards going for $400!!
if u r poor is cool
@@MARCO-rq2ph u know what else is cool?
Speaking English
INCREDIBLE snag right there, dude. I was using Vega 8 on my 2200G for a few months before getting a 5700 XT as a gift, only for its drivers to then turn to crap and end up consistently crashing my system. So I sold it and bought myself an R5 2600 and a 1660S... RIGHT as the prices on both CPUs and GPUs were starting to go up. I got my 1660S for about $240 or so. Can't even imagine where I would've been now if I had waited too long... (at best, probably back to Vega 8, but for another few *years.*)
Considering the 6500xt is essentially a 580 in terms of performance and costs about the same, I'd say that AMD is giving people with a small budget a chance to at least by something which is more than can be said for Nvidia.
artificial gpu crisis
its actually kind of nice to know that there will not be any progress in GPUs for the next years. just lets me stop worrying about it and do something else, reassured that when I get around to the topic again in three years I will have missed nothing.
I bought an RX6800, I think I'm done for the decade.
You might wanna check back in. Cryptomining's death has resulted in huge crashes in card prices.
What once was the price of the 6500 XT is not the price of the 6650 XT. 6650 XT is nearly a 2080 in performance.
What an embarassment, imagine releasing a 1060 6 years later, but with less Vram and for a higher price
Stop giving Nvidia ideas.
The 1060 6gb was a $250 msrp card in 2018, with inflation that's $278 in 2021 dollars. Maybe get your facts straight before you post something this glaringly wrong?
@@kutark but 1060 is also a better card lol
imagine still selling all the stock
@@clintl1672 if the price was lower (under 150) and it was power efficient then yes
But a 280 dollar 2017 gpu beating a 200 dollar 2022 gpu that’s not good
I never thought I would see my 5 year old 1060 beat a new card in a GN review ever again. Since I would like to play VR Simulator games, this shortage has actually managed to keep me away from gaming. I could either buy a 1000€ card or play at 45FPS. Back before the 30 series launch I should have just pulled the trigger on a 2080ti when they cost nothing.
If Intel can't change this GPU landscape I'll probably have my Bachelors degree earlier than a 30 series card...
Exact same situation. I've played HL Alex with my 980ti and was going to get a 2080ti but the 3000 series was around the corner and I figured I'd upgrade and use my index a ton more. Haven't used it for like all of covid.
@@redacted5035 not in VR generally
I'm surprised my GTX 970 actually beats this. It's been 7-8 years, a $200 card should be beating out my $300 card.
The universe just really wants you to focus on your studies
I recently bought MCC on PC and now that most of the major bugs are fixed, it's a really great experience and most of the games included will run fine on a toaster these days. I suspect older and less demanding games have been thriving lately thanks to this disastrous hardware market.
There's a weird situation in my country where a 6500XT cost HALF of a rx580 or a 1660 So I think it's a good deal here. It cost the same as a normal 1650. And I think 6500Xt is better than 1650
Same in my region. Also, used prices are kinda bad still. I went particlularily for the 6500XT because it is on 6nm, which in therory should make it more efficient.
You guys still have 580 in stores? Here in my country its pretty much gone for a long time now. I had one until it died, and loved it so much.
@@Kevlord22 I still have mine from 4 years ago. Paid whats now $40 and its being sell today for 600. Insane
Same for me, in Argentina 6500xt is half the price of a 1650 super
@@facundogorla8772 where did you buy it for that price? :o
Thanks for your very clear graphs. I saw a written review today which explained the PCIe 3 vs 4 problem well but the graphs were too confusing to read.
This almost feels like a card that should've been kept to OEM builds only...that would've at least solved the Gen 4 issue
Even OEM builds deserve something better. Not having video decoders is ridiculous.
Yes, probably should have crippled it slightly less (maybe full pci-e 3 bandwidth?) and kept the video decoding functionality. Make it the RX 6500. Then have a RX 6500 XT retail that has 6GB and maybe another 10% performance.
Or bundled with a cheap PCIe 4 MB.
Maybe an Alder Lake Celeron potato? That's pretty niche. It's fundamentally a mobile chip, and probably should have remained so.
Weeeell, don't be sure about that, seeing as many OEMs/prebuilts seem to have no clue about dual channel memory for example... I can see them happily tossing this GPU into a B450 system for example.
The fact that a $200+ GPU has only two display outputs is insane. I bought a RX570 for 120 bucks brand new and it has 4 outputs and still works great.
And encoding too 🤦♂️ so so embarrassing
Bro, my 1050ti with one fucking fan and only an aluminum heatsink had 3 display adapters. What a joke, lmao
dang, i can only get rx 550 at most here for 120 bucks
@@ahsanihafizhushali My RX 460 4GB (Strix) has been surprisingly playable, i3 4130, 16 gb no name ram and a sata ssd has been solid, 1080p medium rarely goes below 30fps in Witcher 3, Prey, Mad Max, No Mans Sky etc. If you're still looking good luck bro!
@@LMDetorie yeah, people here forgot that there are some of us with limited budget, that can only play on low - medium settings. I just hope that the introduction of rx 6500xt to the market will subsequently reduce the price of lower end graphics card. I just want to get my hands on gtx 1650, but not double the msrp.
AMD made this unappealing to miners with the specs. They made it unappealing to gamers with the PRICE! This would serve a purpose if it was cheaper!
watch moores law is dead
They made it to unappealing to everyone. For miners, for gamers, for photographers, for videographers and even for consumers who just want a card to accelerate modern video codecs.
Huh? A GTX 1650 performs worse and costs more and before the 6500XT came along that's what people recommended if you were on a budget. It's MORE appealing to gamers because of the price/perf the 6500XT entails. Are you blind?
Appealing to me because it is stupidly efficient. I built a green PC in 2017, and it's not so green today.
I heard these are supposed to go for around 200 bucks, if it was better than the 1050ti it would still be a win for current situations.
Keep up the good work Gamer's Nexus (please note my correct use of the possessive apostrophe).
Also, great hair, Steve, but full body shots now needed in 2022.
Truly outdone yourselves, AMD
By making a card that's worse than your budget-star from nearly 6 years ago...
@@clintl1672 I was referring to the RX 480. Not only was it their highest end product at the time but its MSRP was hyper appealing, which made it the budget star for quite a good while
not only worse than 580x， expensive than 580x
The meme of AMD launching the RX 480 for the fourth time became real
@@clintl1672 doesn't matter if it was the high end, they priced it like a midrange card
@@clintl1672 Bruh... That's not even close to the same thing, the 3080ti is a big leap forward in performance over the 1080ti and debatable how important they are but also comes with the few extra features you get from RTX line, plus the high-end 80/90 series is more of a luxury product anyway, so they can kinda get away charging anything they want for them, while the RX 6500 on the other hand is basically a re-released RX 570, not even a 580 (at least depending on the game) for around the same price of a 480/580 and to make it worse, as mentioned in the video they removed some of newer video encoders, so it doesn't even have that going for it, actually putting this even closer in features to their older line up...
This is a good reminder that companies are profit driven, not consumer advocates. People are generally OK with that but not when they're being lied to or being sold a 6500xt.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
While companies are profit driven this is anything but proof of it. The card is manufactured for $195 and sold for $200 they barley break even.
@@hivemind8817 people needs to see this more, this is not for profit
Well keeping in mind that prices on material and components has risen and shipping is out of control amd's profit is kinda low, they just wanted to give the sub 300 market a shot not to get shouted at by gamers but they just dug their own grave. AIBs are mostly profiting by slapping whatever kind of alloy possible to the pcb or adding triple rx 6800-style cooler just to screw with us. Msi, sapphire and asus dual should be kinda ok between 270/320 euros but still a 50%+ increase in mspr is wild. Having a pcie gen3 platform I might or might not upgrade my r9 380 to this abomination or maybe hope that the 3050 won't be 400+ euros or, even better, wait for the alchemist lineup to light my pc back again. R.I.P. 6500, nobody ever wanted you
@@hivemind8817 bro u said that everywhere hurr durr.
@10:00 I didn't realise Cyberpunk 2077 took place in shadow of the tomb raider xD
Great video as usual, and thanks for the much needed info before deciding on purchasing this card :D
10:00 showing tomb raider gameplay with cyberpunk 2077 label lol. But a great and honest review as always!
Worse than stagnated, this has regressed. It's slower than the card it replaces - the 5500xt - and costs $30 more. WTF AMD
Yeah amd didn't stop to sit on their asses with this card. They actually worked hard to make it worse
@@shaggsm3ls1 they worked very hard to put a laptop chip onto a much larger pcb and decide to charge $200 for it because it probably will only be able to be scalped for around that anyway
@@alexmills1329 Apparently people are already scalping this card for double.
On a side note, I got a 580 8gb just sitting around if anyone wants it lol. Bidding starts at $1000!
Don't forget that it literally has features missing that gamers use like the encoder
I'll stay with my A10 9700 forever, it seems. Right when I was thinking of getting a brand new RX 580, pandemic hit and they went pretty much extinct (yes, this includes used ones because no way in hell I'll pay 3000BRL on an used one without any warranty when I could get them brand new under 1000).
Gringos always roll their eyes when I say that 2020 killed PC Gaming, but they forget that things are hard for them in first world countries, but literally impossible in the rest of the planet. People are moving on, selling their PCs and saving money for other stuff. Not to mention all this focus on premium hardware and ray tracing when most AAA games are releasing broken and with worse graphics today than graphics from games from 2016.
"There's no such thing as bad GPUs, just bad prices"
This card definitely breaks that rule.
Well no , if it was 50 bucks it would be awesome , but at the current price point it's awful
@@ramen645 On point. I wanted to upgrade my daughter's 5600g setup. I'd definitely pull that trigger for 50-100, but for that price/performance, this card just isn't worth it.
I wouldn’t use this card if it was free with all the stripped down components
@@9oh4. this card demolishes the 5600g lol what
@@ramen645 I dunno. The concept of hacking PCI lanes to just x4 seems inexcusable. I'm sure it's been done before, but as Tech Jesus brought up, Why? Not even any real cost saving on AMD's end.
I do remember motherboards with 3 slots for GPUs, where the third slot was running as 4x, when all slots were populated. I would be interested in seeing some scenarios investigated, where this card is used as an extra output, or as a reinforcement beside another card, or pair of cards in a multi GPU setup. I wonder if you could find a use case where it turns out to be good for ... something.
Can it be used as a secondary card for mining or FoldingAtHome in a system where your primary GPU is purely reserved for your gaming needs?
What kind of PC case would be able to adequately handle the thermal load of that particular use case?
(I feel like there's still some content opportunity at least in this strange contraption of a video card.)
Small mistake startet at 9:35 where Tombraider and Cyberpunk merged into one 🤣- otherwise good content as always 👍
Damn, AMD and Nvidia are speedrunning any % to get a place in Dissapointment PC of the Year!
What's next, a separate PSU just for our GPU?
(as if that hasn't existed yet..)
Plenty of those, a friend bought one for his daul 4850 setup, many years ago. A stupid buy, but at least it was cool.
The new Nvidia cards were just refreshes which is what AMD has planned as well. This 6500xt is literally worthless as a GPU and performs worse than lower end cards in 2016.
Dell made a desktop, I think this was before Alienware so it was probably their XPS, where the GPU's had their own external power supply bricks. I can't remember the model. I did warranty work on ONE of those monsters and it was nuts. The dude had a 30" LCT and this was 2005-2012 time frame where those things were rare.
Sorry this was way too long ago for me to remember what model. But it was dual GPU Nvidia of some form and a freaking monster of a system.
@GamersNexus
Would it be possible for you guys to test the 6500XT vs the 5700G and 5600G IG? Just to see what is the "Less worse" choice?
I'll be honest, to me it was a great deal, i own one of those game cafes and i was able to order 20 of those for 205 euro each. The machines are currently rocking 16 gb, i5 11400f and 1050tis. This one will fit right in. Clients mostly play league of legends/warzone/CSGO
Yeah 11400F and the 6500 XT is a good combination for csgo, i have the same can usually push 300 fps+
Yeah it's a really good deal for a business trying to maximise profits...how poetic.
Budget gamers have been getting shafted by Amd and Nvidia for a while so this being a garbage product is not suprising. They really want us to buy their more expensive cards
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
hopefully Intel shakes stuff up
AMD not releasing r3 5300 is also a good giveaway.
@@nachomolaolivera7580 why waste sand for that?
Atleast they released something..... better then nothing.....
That's embarrassing, the card is so bad it managed to lose to a 970 in one of the games, 970 is going to be 8 years old this year.
It losing to the 970 in anything is extremely sad. The fact that theyhad the same real world price is even saddeer
for productivity ,this card worse than gtx 970 . i love my gtx 970 ,now i am still using this card for gaming ,because my other 2 rtx 3070 are running mining eth now.
@@bogodoyandex9654 Mining? What a fcking waste of energy.
@@bogodoyandex9654 Some people hate the rich believing they are only rich due to screwing over everyone else around them, and in my experience that describes miners more than anything, and it’s generally done by people who need the money than by those who don’t. My point to this is it’s ironic that people more likely to not care about those around them are the people most likely to blame someone with more money than them of that.
@@bogodoyandex9654 Do you think getting a RTX 40 series card will be a lot easier than the 30 series?
Hey Steve,
Any chance you could possibly test out the 6900XT with warzone? Something has been wrong lately with either the game itself or the AMD drivers. Setting the texture graphics to anything but low causes major stuttering and bad frame times. The only way to fix it is to set the graphics texture setting to low. I can't figure out if this is a game engine issue or a amd driver issue. I'm leaning more towards AMD as this was a problem prior to the new update on the old map.
If you and the team have the time to check this out that would be great.
Thank you!
They sell in Switzerland for around 170.- and for 150-160 with a discount. If anyone is building a modern budget setup using pcie4 this might be worth a try, this card is designed to compete with the rtx 3050 and it comes close for a much lower price.
At this point, AMD could release the RF modulator from a VIC 20 as a graphics card
RF modulator! no extra features for you
@@krugec23 🤣
Lol
I just lost it 😂
But unfortunately true...
If they're only going to use 4 lanes, make it a PCIe x4 connector! That would actually make it MORE useful, as I could throw it into some older machines and servers.
Nothing stopping you from doing it yourself with a steady hand, if you really wanted to…
@@chriss4799 No, no. That is ridiculous. They are the manufacturer. It is a waste of material to make it full size, and negatively impacts the product.
Some of these coolers are actually pretty big/long (gigabyte triple fan), so that wouldn't be great for mounting rigidity
@@chriss4799 I don't think it's that big of an ask that they put a notch in it so it can fit x4 but also latch into x16.
@@bengunderson712 It's structural, those coolers are heavy.
You think this might be decent for an egpu w/ a surface pro 8 i7? I was thinking of getting a lower end card if its gonna be bottlenecked anyway, is it worth spending 450+ on something better?
Thank you for giving such an in depth review. I'm currently looking for a replacement card for an aging 1050ti. This card might be the best holdover card for a long time. 6+ months. I can't possible imagine an alternate use for this card other than a temporary holdover card. I agree completely that lacking encoding decoding would mean this would be an almost useless as a pass me down card. If I knew things would be this bad, I would've grabbed the rx580 when I had the chance. Looking at all the features that this chip is missing, it looks like a repurposed silicon meant to go into low power, slim laptops where the machine would have access to features and the low throughput wouldn't be a hurt with the lack of pci-e lanes.
It's the cheapest brand new card you can buy that can run modern games. It's a no brainer for something brand new. It beats the GTX 1650 that costs more.
Yeah, I agree with your judgement. Covid times suck.
Intel unintentionally chose the best time to launch their new generation of GPUs. After seeing this waste of silicon hitting the market they are in the best imaginable position honestly. The main issue will be the same though: they rely on external fabs instead of their own.
I don't see any Intel discrete GPUs yet... They are about 14 months late to the party as it is
@@everope don't worry, this shortage will continue into 2023, and that's ignoring the demand from miners and scalpers. Intel has plenty of time to get to market and sell out
It is a good point. If "anything goes" works in the current market, then they're unlikely to get a bad reputation for a 1st generation.
Beating the 6500XT in waste of whatever you name it is hard
Sure sure...
Can Intel escape scalpers?
I doubt it.
Another waste of sand.
The GPU truly is a QICK in the mouth.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Nice! 😂
What camera setup do you use? just wonder cuz the video looks very noicy.
AMD had the limelight for like 2 years and is already in its downfall. They are going full anti-consumer with insane prices on products that are worse than their competitors.
ohh they've always been like this they're the worst ever. I hate this fcking company and if people think Nvidia's a demon then AMD is the devil itself. fck them.
AMD are expert at clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Which is why Nvidia and Intel dont care if they peak every ten years or so..
AMD cant crack OEM, and cant stay on top. They always leave back door wide open.
@@hircine92h Ngreedia started the insane high prices with their crappy RTX 2000 series !
AMD’s head really has disappeared up their ass. This should be a $100 card.
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 hurr durr Ngreedia
You fanboys will make up any feasible term for the company you love & the one you hate won't you lol
Have we ever been in a situation where hardware had to be stretched for such a long time? I'm genuinely curious if we have reasonable estimates for the lifespan of GPU silicon or power components, whatever might fail first. Nearing 6-7 years for the older alternatives sounds like it might get into somewhat sketch territory.
Can you expect a GPU to last 10 years if used reasonably? 15 years? At what point would the used market be too risky to consider? Is the average silicon lifespan reduced if you move to smaller and smaller transistor size?
I have a I7 4790 thats been running 24/7 for the past 3 years and been used for mostly gaming since it came out. Its still as good as it was.
Dont worry about hardware dying as long as you got some sort of protection like a good PSU or surge protection
No data on smaller silicon yet, but in 2019, I was still running an HD7970 that I bought used and that card was released in 2011.
For me, I noticed some degradation in the maximum clock speed and memory OC.
Outright failing is very rare, and tech moves so fast that these older products are simply not performant enough for anyone to want them.
Anything older than GCN1 or Keplar is pretty much unusable both due to lack of driver support, lack of modern API support, and just overall insufficient performance.
High end GPUs die earlier, often before they become obsolete. Low end GPUs will last far beyond the point where they're obsolete. you can find tons of low end GPUs from like 13-15 years ago still working but you'd struggle to find any working GTX 480's unless they didn't see much use, i hear a lot of 980ti's have been dying recently as well. The larger the die the sooner it dies is a good rule of thumb.
The key here will be heat. Probably a good idea to not be running overclocks if your hardware is a bit older. Keep your cards clean. Consider repasting with quality paste if its been a few years. A lot of time failures on a board will be do more to solder migration or capacitor failure then any other issue. Until 3 years ago, I still had pcs from the early 90s still running due to needing them for specific test and control hardware.
I've slightly underclocked, and increased fan speed (all easily via AMD RS), and do not play AAA 3D games for now, with the hopes my aging RX 470 will live Forever. Sad reality. Have eyes on 6600 or 6700 but not ever paying over $500.
if it was a 100$ card, it would be an upgrade to the RX 560 4gb. Sorta like the 6600XT at 200$ would be a nice RX 580 replacement.
The 6600xt isn’t great but it’s faster than a 2070, it’s not a 200 dollar card
As someone who somewhat bad at pc building, this whole pci stuff, can i put it in my motherboard that i used with my rx580 before it died? Not like different slottability or anything, right? Its just still go in the standard MB stuff?
They've got them for sale at microcenter for $400 right now
I remember the time when amd gives a free game with their gpus, now they give less bandwidth
Yea my father got the RX480 8GB back when it was 259€ in Sweden with Doom (2016) that was still 60€ on Steam, now you get no game, no hardware video decoder/encoder, and you get no more performance but you get to pay twice!
Its depressing as F!
I mean they were literally giving away farcry 6 with gpus a few months ago.
AMD could have just re-released the 5500xt on 6nm or even the 590 with higher clocks and it would be a much better product. What is wrong with them? They kill goodwill towards their brand with nonsense like this.
They bought their goodwill back then and are now selling it to make money. Thats what happens when you are "On top"
It's possible this was only intended as a mobile GPU and that's why it's only x4 and missing codecs.
@@henrath that doesn't change that AMD was foolish for releasing it. Bad move, AMD.
AMD has made junk for most of their existence. They only recently had anything worth buying and they will fuck that up to. Give them time.
@Alpine but they aren't on top nvidia smashes them at every turn and intel is the king again for now.
I wonder how it would compare to the RX 5500 XT, with current drivers. When the rx5500xt came out, it was on par with the rx 580, but after a year of driver updates it was consistently 15-20% better on average in updated tests, even outperforming the rx590. This means that the RX 6500 XT would theoretically undrperform the prior gen by a wide margin, pribably due to memory and pcie bus bandwidth restrictions. The 5500 XT at least had a 128 bit memory interface with gddr6, for total bandwidth of 224 GB/s. The RX 6500 XT has only 144 GB/s memory bandwidth. Pretty pathetic.
The 5500xt was an x8 lane pcie4 device, but under pcie 3.0, 8 lanes was still enough to feed the vram buffer.
This is the sharpest signal yet of how fucked the gpu market is.
Also the 4gb 5500xt would be more expensive to make since its die is 35% bigger with same or double the memory
With regards to the Squarespace-promo, how many cats does Steve have?
This is crazy. I upgraded to a 3080 from 1070 last year and no way in hell that I am going to sell my old 1070 now because if my 3080 fails for whatever reason I can at least go back to my 1070 and it will still be faster than these "potato flavored" GPUs they are selling these days!
At this rate, the industry might consider going back to software rendering and skip GPUs all together!! :S
On a more serious note, I think if you are stuck with an older GPU, it might be a good time to explore older catalogue of PC games if you never had the chance. Hopefully the current sad situation will also push developers to optimize games to the max to squeeze every once of performance out of existing hardware instead of relying on upgrades (but I wouldn't hold my breath).
Wise words, I just RMA'd my 3080ti for a busted fan - thanking the Stars above I kept my 2060 KO, absolute life saver, can still do everything I was doing before, just not as fast lol!
I got my 3080 in November of 2020; having been in the industry (I use my 3080 for both gaming and CUDA development) for 27 years, I never imagined I’d see the day where my video card would appreciate in value. And I hear you about keeping older cards: I have a 980ti that I briefly considered listing on eBay, because (WTF?!) you can sell those for like 200 bucks! Then I realized that the minute I sell it, either my 3080 or my kids 1660 will go kaput and I’ll be scrambling. Really weird times.
@@Andrew-nn4ml Glad to hear you kept the 2060! Which 3080ti brand did you RMA?
software rendering? BRING MY EPYC!!!!
I would recommend checking out some classics like morrowind and Deus ex, during the lockdown I had time to play and finish the games, man it was amazing
This is what happens when only 2 companies make video cards they feed you bullish-t. We need more card makers AMD and NVIDIA are horrible companies.
This is happening because the market aka consumers are buying everything that gets put on the selves anyway. Nvidia and AMD both released great cards (3080 and 6800 xt) for decent prices with only each other as competition, but when they realized their consumers will buy anything they made these predatory moves. It’s not that it’s a duopoly, it’s that consumers can’t stop themselves
@@alexmills1329 true I as a consumer should just go and invent my own GPU to use. Thanks bro. Your completely ignoring the fact that there are professional workloads and now streaming servers that need dedicated gpus as well. What should they do? Just dont offer their services and dont research???
How much would it have effected the costs to make it 8 lanes instead of 4?
Or is this their way to try and force us into buying a new cpu/mobo with pci gen 4?
at 9:43 it says cyberpunk on bottom right while its showing tomb raider.
AMD got so close to the top and then they screw over their customers like this, making a card that is worse than a 2017 card. Mind numbing
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
That is literally a mx killer clocked to the moon to be a successor to the 5500xt
this is the lowest model they offer, it was to be expected, hopefully is bad for mining
@@arch1107 their lowest model is worse than 5 year old lowest model, how did you expect this lol
@@nishantrajani7372 Rx 580 was not lowest model at release...
Nice, I bought my sister a used RX580 for $ 70 around 2 years ago. Glad that it can still keep up with what AMD throws at us in the under $ 200 price range.
Yea I bought a Used GTX970 in January 2020 just before anyone figured out what was gonna happen with prices.
I had to buy a new 700/900/1000 series blower fan for it, made a new blower shroud for it and some new thermal pads, card was working but needed servicing.
Costed me another 25€ so 65€ total for a now custom GTX970 card.
At the time they went for 70€ used in sweden.
Now a RX6500 goes for 400€ in sweden and there selling, no joke people are picking them up, there where a few still for sale but the brands "reviewed" here that where 400€ where sold out in the same day that I can see, there are other brands still for sale at the same price but where talking like 2 cards per store so not a lot of stock left.
Also funny how the GTX970 can be had for around 100€ used last I checked and it will perform better or worse but about the same as the RX6500 AND it has a Video Decoder and Encoder that dont suck! Very competitive card to do some streaming on or video encoding on, WAY faster then my RX5700 encoder but at least that one has one, the RX6500 do not LOL!
Reminds me that my first card with an onboard decoder was the GeForce 8600GTS 256Mb for my HTPC like 15 years ago and that thing was like 120USD I would think and my HTPC ran windows XP then.
But for 400 USD or € you dont even get that 15+ years later XD
Yea I think a GTX970 is a better buy, from my testing they also overclock pretty well so would not surprise me if the GTX970 overlocked would beat the RX6500 in games and on top of that it can encode videos as fast as a 8 core CPU at 4Ghz.
I kind of questioned me buying an RX5700 on launch day for 419€, also buying a GTX970 that needed servicing but in the end I got them for a bargain, did not see that coming.
check the price for that 580 now you will understand that 200$ card like this is not that bad in current environment, 4GB version of that goes anywhere from 280+ and 8GB version for 400+ if the msrp will be kept or around it it's at least something to buy and not feed scalpers as it's value is not more than that,
@@lukasfenda4675 It's already over 270 bucks lol, and barely available. In Germany at least, it's going for 350 euros minimum ..so there goes your analogy.
@@jamieammar6131 can you be more salty ? it's not my fault and truthfully you need to look at bigger picture here i've never said it's ok, i've said considering the current environment so cry abut it more ... do you think im happy about the gpu prices ? you can still not buy one if you dont like it, personally i wouldnt spend more than 250 on it and let sellers and scalpers choke on their inventory list if they try to sell it for more.
@@lukasfenda4675 Man I'm not salty. Just said even in the current environment it's not really worth it, as you get better options in the second hand market.
Is there any data available about impact of graphics card shortage on games sales.
I have a aorus x470 gaming WiFi and the new update to bios said it would make PCIE gen 4 for the mobo, it still says gen3 in bios, I did get the 5600x cpu to work with update, but I can’t tell if I am getting max performance out of my 3080 ultra with gen3, and how do I know if the gen4 stuff is working?
Well the 3080 is a pcie gen 3 card. It cannot take advantage of gen 4. However the 3080 has the bandwidth and vram to deliver without compromise. Don't worry.
I'm just surprised that they wasted money on gold plating/metal for the unused PCIe contacts.
Used to be that we'd see tier increases the next gen, my 1070 performed like a 980 and my 1070 performed like a 1660 later on. Not getting what should be 5600xt performance in a 6500 feels weird.
1070 = 980 Ti
1660S/Ti = 1070
@@raresmacovei8382 Yup, Turing was already a regression.
6500 XT < 5500 XT 4
@@raresmacovei8382 3070 = 2080
@@admrob ti
Is thease charts available on GN website?
Will there ever be a point in time when Testing will be done for CPU and GPU VR Testing for the best of class for VR users? Or is this just a Fad that is still dirt in the gutter?
This graphics card really deserves to be in the next disappointment build!
It deserves to be in a larger font for the 2022 tshirt. :D
it will be a head-to-head with 3050
@@marcogenovesi8570 umm no even the 3050 isn't this piece of shit 6500xt
@@samgoff5289 you mean the card that has a convenient "tank performance" button aka "ray tracing"
The best part of this test is that the 580 is now 20% faster than a 1060 on average and has actually improved in value over time compared to AMD's entire line up after it.
to be fair, the 580 was released in 2017
I bought an ex-miner 8GB RX580 off ebay in 2018 for in the $200s and now it's worth in the $400s. Or, it probably would be worth $400s if it hadn't had such a hard life. These days it's on life support with a water cooler and minor underclock to keep it from crashing under load. Either way, it's still good enough that I'm not in any hurry to replace it.
When the new 6000 series AMD cards launched, I heard that AMD vastly improved the Linux drivers alongside the launch. Do those improvements carry to older cards as well?
@@arnox4554 If I had to guess, probably not. GCN and RDNA/RDNA2 are different enough that they'd have to put development specifically into those cards, all of which are at least 5 years old. As nice as it'd be for AMD to support the very small percentage of total users that are on Linux that are also using GCN architecture, that's the definition of a glass of juice that just isn't worth the squeeze.
Though AMD has always been the Linux champions, so maybe they'll do it purely to keep that mind/market share niche they've held for so long. Have you tried looking into Lisa's crystal ball to find out how she was advised?
@@arnox4554 GCN has always done better on Linux than RDNA so you don't need those fixes
Video editing philistine here - could someone explain why a lack of a video encoder would be bad? I might be getting this card or a GTX 1650 to replace an aging GTX 950. I don't do much video editing if at all, but I do use Inkscape and some other similar software like Adobe Illustrator.
Thank you Steve and GN gang! I've been looking forward to this benchmark since considering upgrading from my 1060.
It's called the "Qick" because calling it quick would be false advertisement.
Common core technical designers, common core marketing... prob was intentional.
Qick in the bawllz
What an absolutely shocking state the PC market now finds itself in. With zero competition both Nvidia and ATI just aren't even bothering to try any longer. I guess Nvidia and ATI would say "why should I put into massive production the 1660 super (or RX580) for say the $200 price point, when I can peddle absolute turd products at stupid money as a "NEW CARD!!" which provides benchmarks worse features than cards we used to produce over a decade ago?" "Hell no, we can produce a really crap card which will cost us peanuts to manufacture and sell it for the same price!!!"
When if they gave two hoots about they're customer base they'd actually deliver something half decent at a half decent price. I guess at this point we're asking too much from Intel for DG2 to be any different?
I built a new pc at the beginning of 2021. Its still got its 2014 card in it AMD/ATI.............any idea why that is???
This is what got Intel in trouble with Ryzen. They didn't have a reason to be competitive and just sat back giving all 10-15% up lifts at 4cores. I hoping Intels new GPUs come In and just smash Nvidia and AMD into pieces and put them to shame! I don't even need a new GPU but if Intel brings something decent to the table I'll purchase one just to support them!
@@NCCountryLiving Zero incentive for Intel to bother though. It's a seller's market, so Intel's market share for the near future is going to be tied to their manufacturing capacity rather than actually producing good products. It's only in the long term that they'll want to undercut the competition.
@@BlackGateofMordor true dat. This product is pretty bad but you look at Nvidia releasing similar SKU's with a bit more RAM at a markup (MSRP btw), whos to stop intel from doing the same with their product stack.
Can you speak to only x4 lanes being part of AMD intention to handicap mining on this card? I understand their choice of vram and bus width with anti-mining in mind but not the x4 lanes.
Should the card gen4 work on Ryzen 3 3100 gen4 pcie with Asus tuf b450m plus gaming motherboard?
MSRP is a myth to me at this point. Also I find it silly to think my 1060 is nearly as good as a current gen card.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
@Kafri they had genuinely good contenders last gen with the 5600 an 5700 XTs, but this year, in the lower markets, they're not looking good at all
@@alexandre3017 5700xt was overpriced but so was 2070.
@@alexandre3017 6800, 6800XT and 6900 are great cards and they actually sold for MSRP unlike nvidia at start
@@petervansan1054 that's what I meant by "lower markets", sorry if it wasn't clear, in the more budget sector AMD's been making some quite terrible cards this generation, though their higher price offerings are pretty nice and competitive
I guess the chips was supposed to be a mobile only chip. As such it is paired with a CPU including integrated graphics, which most likely have the encoders/decoders missing here. Still it is not a good upgrade solution for desktops.
That also makes sense because any cpu it would be paired with in a laptop would be modern enough for pcie gen 4
Yup, that would also explain the PCIx4 limitation. They probably designed this chip to run energy efficient at much lower clocks, in combination with CPUs that support gen4 (rembrandt/alder lake), and x4 lanes were perfectly sufficient to drive that chip.
That has been the rumour. On laptops it would be bottlenecked by TDP instead.
With the current GPU pricing and availability, this card sort of makes sense, but they could probably have improved it just a bit to make it more appealing. Still, it's new and will have support and warranty, something you won't get trying to buy an older used card.
Your games were mislabeled during some of the footage showcases.. Also its minor but you showed/labeled a 12700K not a KF.. Appreciate you guys working fast, but just keep in mind; you have the kind of audience that is okay waiting to make sure little things are corrected :)
Just for fun, Cyberpunk 2077 is a little wild in this footage: 9:43
The only benefit of it being this bad would be hopefully, that it would be available at MSRP.
Meanwhile, it doesn't appear to be available at MSRP.
yikes
In my country price of this card is 470 to 520$ crazy...
Was the bad editing for a bad product purposful? Lol tomb raider is labelled as cyberpunk 2077, and there's been a couple of others. (great videos by the way, your charts are off the chart, and the indexed news videos are so awesome.}
I am proud to see RX 580 still trading blows in 2022😭😭. My card, I love. In india I brought it at Rs 15000 at MD COMPUTERS 200 usd equivalent
It's mid january and AMD having a strong lead in the "worst gpu of 2022" ... I am somehow impressed how bad it is.
Never thought I'd ever say I'm hoping Intel comes in and helps the GPU market.......but here I am... Hoping Arc really does something.
9:40 thats a strange looking Cyberpunk 2077 on the bottom right corner. Haha.
I already have a decent gaming PC but I have a secondary PC with a Ryzen with integrated GPU. Is this a reasonable upgrade to get to a dedicated GPU setup without stretching the budget to $500?
I guess you have a 4 core amd but if it has 6 core or 8 then you will get bett fps with a better card - 4 cores might be a minimum for this card -for my ryzen 1200 (overclocked) i figured out that amd 5600-5700 are max it can play with everyting better would be cpu bottleneck -but amd 570 8gb does perform ok
This card is pretty much a failure and pretty embarrassing, can't wait for Intel Arc GPUs to hopefully shake up the discrete GPU market duopoly...
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
we can only hope
Speculation:
This is a high-margin card able to be manufactured en-masse for newer internet cafe computers. They stripped out the features you wouldn't need for basic esports gaming and left just enough performance for those games at 1080p while keeping power consumption low (when you have hundreds of computers in one building, this makes a big difference). These kinds of cards have existed for years, just never hit the US market. I bet there either is or will be a 70-ish watt version, single slot, decosted even more for OEMs/SIs. I'm wondering if the dual-slot overkill is just for the US market.
I thought that was what the RX 6400 was for? I could swear I just saw a chart that said that RX 6400 was OEM only.
And why would have they released it to the consumers' market, if it's meant to be used in internet cafes? The weird stuff made for internet cafes, like the GTX 1060 with 5GB of VRAM, aren't usually sold in the consumers' market, especially not outside Asia. Let's just face the reality, AMD knows that there's a market for 400-500€ (street price) GPUs that no one is satisfying, they just cut every corner in order to increase their margins and released this piece of shit. Radeon's reputation and fanboys' fantasies about AMD being the "good guys" be damned.
"They stripped out the features you wouldn't need for basic esports gaming and left just enough performance for those games at 1080p while keeping power consumption low". Basically exactly that, I think. It actually should be pwerfectly usable with pci-e 3.0 if you play games with settings that won't make vram a bottleneck. Not exactly 1080p max settings gpu, as if people didn't know that w/o me saying (looks like they actually didn't based on all them tests of pci-e 3.0 vs 4.0). Also it seems like 6500 xt is basically overclocked 6500m and it exists only cuz there's nothing cheap enough you can buy if you wanna just play some old games and only have like 200 bucks to buy a whole gpu
Its got no margin the shipping costs are almost a quater of the cars price half of the cost is memory and the rest is everything else
On a side note, and this is nitpicking, but you show Tomb Raider (at around 9:46) but list it as Cyberpunk.
This was a great review Steve, and thanks so much for doing PCIe 3.0 numbers too; I have 3.0 motherboard! And I was thinking, maybe AMD decided to do the 4x bandwidth instead of 8x because they were trying to make it even more unappealing for miners? I'm not sure how mining works, but I know they wanted to release a 4gig card so that it's unattractive for miners; And I'm thinking, cutting it down to a 4x bandwidth, makes it even more unattractive for miners, while still maintaining decent 1080p framerates for budget gamers? Just a thought haha!
even if they made it 4x lanes to dissuade miners, they use risers that turn whatever x lanes card into 1x anyways through mining risers, so it doesnt work out there either
It's not the lack of PCI-E lanes that would deter the miners, in this case it's the lack of VRAM and the absolutely atrocious memory bandwidth. You need a GPU with at least 6GB of VRAM to mine Ethereum right now, and it's mainly a VRAM intensive task where memory bandwidth matters the most. So on the plus side miners won't want this card, on the negative side AMD crippled it in so many other ways that a used card from 5 years ago is a better choice.
@@garethgobulcoque8668 see, you'd think that miners may only care for ETH, but there are a whooole lot more alt-coins worth mining on
I can’t wait for Intel’s GPUs to release for real. I will probably buy them even if they are objectively much worse, just so teams red and green don’t get the sales…even on a trashfire like this.
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Kinda likewise. Even just for htpc duty or something.
When are their expected releases anyway?
@Sasha's Autism aha, and where do I buy a fuking console from? They are also out of stock or scalped.
Dont underestimate Intel. They might not have speed, but they have been in the game a long time and have made many integrated GPUs. Intel can overtake AMD in a year.
Thanks for including older common GPUs for comparison, always interesting to see how things stack up
They're not being benevolent, they just have no other options as far as comparisons go. The mid range market (
I wish you had benchmarked an r9 fury against these. I know it's a super rare card, but I feel like it would pretty easily trounce this thing. I love mine so much. Still going strong with it, and probably will for 2 or 3 more years.
At 10:00, Cyberpunk 2077 "Welcome to the Jungle"? Isn't that Tomb Raider?
I'm still running an XFX R9 390X from 2015 (rest of the PC is from late 2019). I'm not really interested in buying a high-end GPU anymore, but how sad these budget cards have been for a long time now really makes me hope that my GPU still has a long life ahead of it.
R9 390 GANG! MSI 8G here. Not worth the "upgrade" to this.
Still going fine with an overclocked XFX R9 390 too
Didn't AMD kill driver support for the 390, or was it the 290?
@@comicsans1689 There's always the nimez driver
@@comicsans1689 They did, they put out the final driver and moved it to legacy status a few months ago
9:34 Cyberpunk looking a little different than I remembered...
lol
Great review, great intentional drop btw :D
What kind of uplift would u see running this card in a Ryzen system, on gen 4, allowing for smart access memory tho? Testing it on an Intel test bench seems somewhat unreasonable. Ok, testing it SOLELY on an Intel bench, seems unfair ig., is a better way to put that. I wholly get ur point here, btw... I'm just curious how much performance would be gained by allowing it to tap into SAM in an all AMD system.
Love the reasoning behind removing AV1 support and encoding/decoding features, AMD said they want to sell this card directly to gamers and don't want HTPC owners to buy up all the cards.Yes, HTPC builders are a threat now for games on the GPU market, good to know.
the reasoning is probably that this chip was never intended as a desktop GPU, but was targeted at low power mobile products. Paired with an APU that has all those features anyway and supports a PCIe4 interface it would have been an okay low end mobile GPU. AMD just took the opportunity of making the cheapest card they could make under current conditions, repurposed and heavily overclocked this tiny GPU best they could, to get out a high volume low end card that was never planned to be made before the market went bananas.
Are HTPCs in any way a significant market segment at all? In the age of Netflix and co, cheap and abundant smart TVs and Fire Sticks and Shield TVs and Apple TVs, etc... I would think HTPCs are extremely niche nowadays.
@@lajkutya only major reason for a HTPC is for full bitrate 4 and 8K, streaming sticks don't have the power do that.
Thats literally it, only the highest of end TVs really gain much out of full bitrate anyways
Appreciate your candor as always Steve, good review. Something I wonder about with respect to comparing $150 to $200 cards in terms of cost-savings and design decisions though - when is a $200 card actually a $150 card when accounting for inflation? There will come a point where $200 is the entry point for the market, even if we weren't in such unprecedented times in terms of GPU costs. With that being said I do think it's correct to call out AMD on this decision and it's crazy to me that a 1060 out performs a new GPU in 2021...
It's a shit review.
I think your one in-game footage capture label is wrong...It was showing Tomb Raider, but it stated Cyberpunk 2077 instead.
The funny thing about all this is that I'm looking to upgrade to a 2016 GPU from my current 2016 GPU..... I can't even put into words how stupid the GPU market is.