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Bottom of the Barrel: 110°C VRAM Dell GTX 1660 Super Video Card Review
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- We reviewed the Dell G5 5000 gaming computer as a complete system, now we're testing Dell’s green PCB-take on the GTX 1660 Super, just in case you only wanted it only for the GPU.
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Just in case you were considering buying the Dell G5 5000 prebuilt for only the GPU, we wanted to review the system's included GTX 1660 Super. It's technically unbranded, but has a "Dell" VBIOS. Most other system integrator-made prebuilts will have AIB partner video cards included, so that'd be a company like EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. In this instance, Dell took the cheapest approach by "making" its own. That's not necessarily bad in some instances -- but parts this low-end certainly can be.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Dell GTX 1660 Super
01:01 - Tear-Down of the Dell GTX 1660 Super
11:28 - Thermal Testing
13:11 - Pressure Imaging
14:22 - Cooler Flatness
14:54 - Gaming Benchmark Validation
16:21 - Conclusion
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I hope their news is on how I'm getting my hands on a GPU before the year 2030 rolls around.
Its why when I got a used Dell RX570 over a year ago in the last mining crash I bought a case with a side panel case fan...To pump extra air over mine.
why put copper in your heatsink anyways, with its weaksauce thermal conductivity
I won't hold my breath for a diamond heatsink, but has anyone ever produced one in silver?
@@mapsofbeing5937 Copper and silver are nearly identical in heat conduction, but hey if you got the money to blow on silver I say go for it.
You could remove a caps and analyze them for value and esr
Looks like its best feature is comedic timing.
agree!
🤣
Nice, now let's try to OC the snot out of that feature. Lol
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5 star comment
13:37 The pressure map overlaid into the GPU is exactly what I've wanted to see for the longest time for CPU cooler reviews. Would be great if you guys could start doing this.
Sure. We'll try to make that a habit. Good feedback. Thanks.
Agreed. Overlaying the pressure map on top of a cpu or gpu die helps to better illustrate why it may be good or bad. Would also be neat for the cpu one to show the actual dies underneath the heatsink since that's where good pressure is critical for modern cpus.
It really helps portray the information well. Great idea!
+1
big fan of the pressure map; awesome visualization
"You would have to get an excavator to go lower"
Pans over AMD FX
This burns as much as the memory on the GPU in video
Not so sure about that. At least the AMD FX could be equipped with a good enough cooler. Can that even be found for this card? I think they took the cake on that, as well (which is impressive imo, just not in a good way).
@@mariastevens6406 Yeah, most high-end used FX PCs I see for sale, often have either AIO water-cooling, or a really beefy dual-fan air-cooler.
Proud owner of an FX 8350. Hot as Hell. Sext as fuck!
@@pauliusgruodis137 I don't think this perception is accurate. 9 series FX were very hot, but the FX8370 is the coolest chip I've ever owned (and I still use it). 15 degrees C on idle with a single 120mm fan tower cooler. My ryzen 3800x with a massive 140mm dual tower cooler, runs at 40 degrees on idle. FX absolutely trashes zen 2 thermal performance from my experience.
My 8350 with a single fan cryorig cooler runs cool enough, but with stock cooler i had a few thermal load shutdowns in summer XD
this card screams: "BUY THAT DAMN WARRANTY, YOU WILL NEED IT!!!"
fr
They'll force that on you anyways even if you don't want it 🤣
@@TranceHistorian honestly if dell doesn’t offer a warranty for it don’t touch it lol
This is just an example of how Dell couldn't figure out a way to make the GPU proprietary and unable to be reused in another PC, so they did the next best thing and made it so cheap that you wouldn't WANT to use it in another PC.
You’re a genius, this is an underrated comment
I have this card in another computer... its running fine.
@@wes9451 Well I would sure hope it at least technically works. It's still a garbage card.
Dell makes shit pcs and even worse gpus
@@wes9451 100+ temperatures on the memory will increase the chance of it breaking, which could be prevented by them spending a few more dollars on cooling, but of course they cheaped out on everything...
Marketing phrases: "Hot item!" "Get it while it lasts" "This graphics card doesn't blow!"
Thats because the cooler switched from blow to suck, and now its pulling heat from the case, into the cooler, and spreading it all around like a bad adult novelty experience.
Underrated comment sir, take my like.
honestly the heatsink on that thing looks like the intel stock cpu heatsink.
Edit:wrote this when the video started playing, didnt realize it was Steve went straight for that lmao.
And they are all true
If you don’t work in advertising…
I love the "it doesn't look like much" followed by the pained silence and stare of a man who clearly has had enough.
Having no cooling solution for GDDR6 memory is absolutely insane.
msi does it too on their armor cards lol, total garbage
@@budgetking2591they have cooling
think of it this way... it only has to last "warranty time"+1 day
I'm thinking the majority will hit the 4 year mark with some failing in the 3rd year.
Yeah, but let's be realistic: a portion of them probably won't even last that long.
And when they don't, customers will still get the run-around from Dell basically saying that they won't honor their own warranty. *_Because it's Dell._*
@@DJdoppIer Agreed on this. The disturbingly high revision number of the GPU is a sign that these things might have a higher failure rate than normal.
@@jihadjoe if they can't get it right after SIX revisions, there is no hope
these PCs are typically good for medium to large places where they need a lot of computers at similar specs and would rather pay a small monthly fee for support rather than having a whole IT department. if one breaks, put in a spare nd send the broken one back to dell. that would be faster than fixing them in house. the problem here is they are selling these shit machines to regular consumers and trying to deceive them.
This one doesn't deserve the mod mat or GN toolkit. "We're doing this today with Jay's automotive tools and we're using Paul's post pie kitchen for the teardown"
they shouldve opened it by throwing it at a wall repeatedly
They should have removed it and do it on a bare bench, stating it wasn't worthy of it.
The only tool that thing deserves is a hammer.
Shit... Use a rock for the disassembly, and for the mod mat, the bottom of a pool
@TacticalMoonstone IFIXIT
I'd love to see this card retested with thermal pads and removing a chunk of that shroud to allow proper air flow
I'd love to see that too!
@@jiggytauruspeppersilver683 And with a better cooler!
@@cat-.- This. Put an aftermarket card cooler and thermal pads on the memory and retest it. This is how I would tackle any OEM builder card anyway.
It looks like you can just remove shroud completely, it doesn't hold anything, fans are screwed directly to the heatsink and heatsink is screwed to a PCB.
I'd throw a fan on it in the case
"This is what the bottom of the barrel looks like." - That is quite a bold statement. You always find new bottoms that you never ever really imagined it exists...
There's bottom of the barrel and then there's getting out a shovel and starting to dig :Ü™
@@Darker7 There's the bottom of the barrel. And then there's the bottom of the barrel under the barrel.
The barrel is a sarlack pit. At the bottom are corporate computers built in batches to order.
"You'd have to get an excavator to get lower than what Dell has made here" - shows an AMD FX processor
I came to make this comment, and was happy to see I wasn't the first.
Poetry.
Even then the fx isn't going to burn up after a year or 2 of service
I actually own one of those damn things was ok but my FX-8350 was *8* cores and I then got a Ryzen5 2600 and was like hope the less cores doesn't hurt too much then BLAMMMMMMMM I used the new one and knew from that day my beloved FX-8350@4.6Ghz was a permanent pornhub PC from now on.
Two layer joke. FX is both buried, and its architecture was named Bulldozer; technically a form of excavator.
Bad reviews is where I get to see Steve take on the role of a disappointed parent, and it sure is entertaining.
Steve is the dad that goes out for milk and actually comes back home with extra groceries too
Have only been watchin' GN for about a year, but had a "holy fuck" moment when I recently watched this version of Steve while I was stoned; it's a whole 'nother level.
Lol very well put it's definitely a highlight of my day.
Well just like a disappointed parent, Steve wants to be positive at least once in a while but often can't find a legitimate reason to be positive. That's why they included that EKWB AIO into the video lineup because it was something to be positive about. At this point Steve is desperate to review a good product because lately not much has been very positively reviewed. And it's not like he can review different versions of the RTX3080 or RX6800XT because nobody will watch those videos as there is no availability. Just look at Hardware Unboxed lately. Their monitor reviews now get over twice as many views as their GPU reviews.
I wish I could have seen Buildzoid comment on this disappointment of a graphics card, alongside Steve. Gotta have the whole family.
Congrats to Dell for making something so bad that it's now the "worst case" version of everything, mentioned in every subsequent review of other OEMs.
" the GPU doesn't look like much-------Clang!" Damn that was way too perfect. Actually that looks like a CPU cooler look there that's a cut out for ram! Or at least it looks it. Damn that's beyond cheap!
Yeah. Figured some fuckery was going to go down when linus put a cpu cooler on a gpu a couple months ago. Literally gave dell an idea.
"We wondered what the bottom of the barrel looks like. This is it. This is what bottom looks like. There is no lower."
He's going to be so disappointed when he discovers "scraping of the barrel".
"It's so bad we fell through the map floor and are looking up at the barrel bottom."
nope... noname prebuilds with fake cards are worse :D
And they are pretty common at ebay, especially since this low aviability and high prices of GPUs you can make with such scam good money on casual users.
Damn, i even felt like im a scammer myself as i sold my loved GTX 1070 a while ago... paid for it i think about 360€ (brandnew in 2016...) and sold it about a month ago for 400€ since im using a cheap RTX 2080 notebook now until proper GPUs are aviable for a fair price.
I was even chatting already with someone who did this and i knew it because i saw already on the pictures it isnt a legit GPU.
After a while texting with multiple accounts accusing him of selling fake components with the PC this guy finally admit he is using fake GPUs he even bought INTENTIONALLY for this reason. He deleted his account and inserats and with a new account all systems went "online" again, but with tiny differences: The specs he listed in description were correct, at least for the data most people have no clue about (like the GPU name TU-xxx, Gxx and so) but he still tried to sell the parts as they are shown in the faked vBIOS.
Others buy a bunch of cheap OEM (office) PCs with at least a "dedicated" (ultra low end) GPU and resell them as "Gaming PCs" for like 2-4x the price... whats wrong with the people, i dont get it...
Even dare to say "all new AAA titles are playable".... playable? at 10-20 fps with heavy stutter? for real? and 30 fps is "high refresh rate" gaming or what?
He didn't yet realize that barrel is at ground level and CAN be thrown down a well.
Then, at that point, beyond the bottom of the barrel there will still be the bottom of the well.
And ofc you can still dig that bottom to go lower, but then we will be dealing with a GPU plugged on a wall outlet, I guess lol
He should try my current Ryzen 5 system with a GT640 since February............
The real tragedy is that the GPU and memory have been wasted during a shortage.
Waste of sand.
@@baldr9390 I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets into Dell's crap
Guy has something against Dell. It's basic card, but again you don't need some fancy cooling for 1660 Super. 70 degrees Celsius is ok for this price range, and 110 Celsius on GDDR6 modules is bogus. DDR6 could endure at most 105 Celsius on T-junction, after that you get artifacts and there were none on this card. This channel probably has some agreement with companies selling super-duper OC versions of same cards for much more money, therefore this much spitting on basic models.
@@aleksazunjic9672 they are almost certainly getting those numbers from the boards thermal reporting. Even if it's not 100% accurate those temps are awful and will just lead to early GPU failure after a year or two of use. Most other systems in this price range have proper cooling solutions so just being a "basic" card isn't really an excuse.
@@aleksazunjic9672 If you don't have something against Dell you haven't worked with them much. ;-)
15 years ago: "Dude! You're getting a Dell!"
Today: "Dude! Dell is getting you!"
You copied someone else's comment and made it gayer
In russia, you don't get dell...
DELL GETS YOU!
LOL
I just want to say that I truly enjoy and appreciate all the hard work you guys do. I have already made a few purchases to support your channel and will continue to do so. I can't wait to see all the amazing things Steve and Team will be able to do in the new building!
It's one of those cards where they tried to reduce costs in every conceivable way. Good thing companies can't change the silicon itself.
the silicon doesnt matter if the gpu dies in 1 year XD
we're talking about Dell. they're figure out a way to make silicon out of cheap chineseium grade z 'plastics' it'll be put together with air and fake glue. they'll also put the Alienware logo on it and charge 1000 dollars
Or they're the reason everyone else can't get cards, cause they're forcing people to buy prebuilds
@Kien Ng wrong..they can die and they do die
They didn't go far enough. Less plastic on the shroud would've lowered temps.
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing Steve talk about how bad a product is, and then watch him shifting in complete silence when one would have been expected to comment on redeeming features. Your silence speaks the loudest.
remember the TT destruction? it was magnificent!
I thought the shrug when the card fell over spoke volumes.
Gotta say as someone with an engineering background it's interesting to see how cheap you can make a GPU and still function inspec as such. I know this might sound silly but the amount of engineering done to make a GTX 1660 Super that just works and nothing more is impressive. The amount of thinking in terms of dollars in order to build this so it's as cheap as possible is pretty good. Dell made this GPU to last 1 year and nothing more which is why they cut costs anywhere they could.
I love how in the beginning, Steve says nothing verbally, but at the same time says all. This is gold, not just for tech enthusiasts 😂
I, for one, don't mind the info coming out being negative even for several uploads in a row. I enjoy bad products being torn apart (literally and figuratively) when they deserve to be.
Same.
People love negative content but it escalates and never good for your sanity
I want these companies to be torn apart, as well!!
@@user-cr4sc1ht9t Not even close to the point. It's about holding these companies accountable. If they produce crap, then the review needs to say it's crap and hold them accountable to the DIY community. It's not about loving negative content. I love positive content for truly good components, just as I love negative reviews on bad components. It's that simple and not about emotions.
I don't mind it at all either, but as a media outlet like this one you do have to be careful not to become a rage-factory. Rage gets clicks, but GN doesn't need to pander, and people will stop taking you seriously too if you're just mad all the time.
Steve's got a PHD in passive aggressiveness.
Dude, put the playback speed at 0.5 Changes everything.
It just makes watching these videos a whole lot funnier. I hope he never changes his attitude honestly
I love it how the ad before this video is one from Dell.
Oh man, this explains a lot. I’d seen these around in prebuilts in retail stores and thought they looked absolutely horrendous.
I was actually looking for this exact card so I could use it in a specialized system (I'd need to replace the cooling system for the project as it stands, so I want the crappiest thing possible) and they're still INCREDIBLY OVERPRICED.
You can even hear the cheapness of the metal just from the sound of it in the opening
You can see steve's love for dell in the way he treats the gpu lmao he almost threw it on the table when disassembling
Okay I'm about 2/3 through the video and that pressure map test you did is extremely useful. Definitely do more of them!
"This fan is made by Powerlogic... They make fans" XD
Only fans? 😉
I've seen their cases and PSUs before, they're generic bottom-barrel crap competing with logisys
the only good thing coming out from them is keyboards and mouse, others are shit
It's good to know the fan was made by someone who makes fans, thanks Steve.
Man it must be so tiring to keep looking at things that suck.
We're excited that this coming week has some positive stuff lined-up. Found a couple good CPU coolers that are promising at their price points. Found one good pre-built system that might be good. Definitely need the break, and probably the audience does too.
@@GamersNexus just wait I’m sure the prebuilt will catch fire or be the start of skynet. With your luck on prebuilts I’m sure it will turn out to be terrible! Dont give up hope yet!
@@GamersNexus Oooh, can’t wait! Also, hope you guys will check out the Lenovo prebuilds, there appears to be decent stuff there.
@@GamersNexus hey! I'd like to get in touch to show you some of the bs that hp sent me in 2018 as a gpu (its worse than this 1660)
@@rRefuseToSelfCensor if a prebuilt becomes skynet. Id say it earned it
You know, this whole graphics card famine that we find ourselves in may have had some unintentional silver linings, have any of you noticed the improvement in Steve's delivery of his content ? He seems to be reveling in taking some of these cards and their makers down a peg or two. And he does it so well.
my first gaming pc was a Dell in the early 2000’s, how little I knew back then. $1500 and would barely play the game i bought it for, and that’s when I learned about their proprietary parts and inability to upgrade.
That opening really hurts just from seeing it, such a well thought out illustration for the value of the product lmao (Edit: used german spelling for for)
I mean i secured a normal 1660 for around $220 just right before the graphics card market bubble blowing up, was thinking about getting a mini sized gpu but after reading about bad performance reviews i decided against it. Good thing i did.
@@catnip202xch. if you use gpu that not need cable power then it is okay to use the mini version, but if it use use cable power you should consider using gpu that have good heatsink
"The video card doesn't look like much..."
~Two seconds of silence~
*THUNK*
That cracked me up
That Fx-cavator was gold :D
As always; Thank you for bringing this into our attention, and for your thorough work!
Thank you for making a 20 minute video instead of your usual 30 minute videos. I enjoyed the 20 minute one quite a bit more, the pacing was faster, all the information I needed was there.
thumbs up for the gpu cairn.
surprised it could hold up under that weight.
I asked Keegan how he took that shot. He said "by sweating bullets for 30 seconds."
Just think of what Linus would do, and don't.
So they're cutting way too many corners while keeping the consumer locked in labyrinth of warranties, huh?
*What the heck did Dell become?*
Uhm, they've been like this 20 years ago when I had to work on them.
They lived long enough to see themselves become the villain.
They have become Chinese. Move along there is nothing to see here.
Sadly I think these videos are a bit... unbalanced.
Yes, it is possible to spend $4 more on cooling solution. It is fine. The increase in price wouldn't be $4, but the profit margins of any distributor and retail should be on top of it, also their own margin. Of course with increased price you would have increased credit card fees, increased costs of warranty (due to replacement parts), etc. so the price of the build would go up a bit more. Of course they can also improve CPU cooler, add case fans, etc. but as we add a lot of items to the list, these costs would add up.
But not only in costs, but also it would add to weight, and all the forces originating from moving weight. Of course mounting hardware for your GPU and more would have to designed to deal with increased forces, or you would see a lot of damaged on arrival hardware, like you expect from some system integrators. And sooner or later that weight would be thrown away, for lots of reasons.
What would you get?
We see some competition, that is built from off the shelf components, yet it often arrives broken, sometimes with loose screws, etc. and often turn to ewaste anyway. This is supposed to be a budget build. A build where their job is to cut the costs, and sell you something that is compatible with your requirements at the lowest price possible for them. The market for these budget builds aren't for hobbyist, enthusiasts, etc. but people who might need a gaming PC for short term (maybe due lockdown, etc), and when a lot less people will need a PC the worst budget systems with gaming potential will turn to ewaste anyway. But they will turn into less ewaste as there are less materials used on them.
Their propertiary form factor not only prevents reuse but reduces the risk of shipping damage. They try to reduce the loads on some components, they want a system you can start without opening it to remove packaging. They prefer if all the junk antivirus, driver updater, etc. apps the target audience tends to install comes from them, and they can easily support the system, as the core target audience needs that support and that is where they are trying to upsell, where they are trying to lock you in into support contracts.
OEMs like Dell, ASUS, hp, etc. has the ability to almost full customize their designs for a specific purpose and to save all the costs others would normally spend on unwanted features. It is true for Apple too. But the moment you need something more, something different, etc. these optimizations will work against you, and will make these OEM options worse for you.
@@williamc7367 Dude , my Lenovo Legion T5 is Chinese and 100 times better than this Dell G5!
I would like to see if it could be improved cheaply. Maybe washers to improve the pressure, themal pads on the VRAM to make some contact with the fins and remove the shroud.
Well you gotta give Dell props for taking the packaging of their own 2.5 " SSD's and scissor cutting a fan and shroud out of em. And to the mind boggling creativity of the Dell Graphics Dept for that eye catching "GeForce" livery.👏👏👏👏👏
Dell has always been the most underwhelming when it comes to hardware, let it be specs or design, but they charge for a higher than average price just for their brand name, which doesn't have much credits left at this point.
They also destroyed Alienware by continuously cutting corners everywhere for years.
This is what I can't understand. I've bee around computing for 35+ years and in Dell's entire existence I've never heard good things. I know no-one that recommends them, how are they still around?
It's a triumph of marketing over design, like Bose and Trek. But worse.
@@Nicksanders99 lobbing and getting into government contracts... My company has a 5 year free RMA & maintenance agreement... That means for us 5 years of $0 expense in office computers abd laptops
I think Dell mostly thrives on the enterprise and government sectors. I have no idea what percentage of their market is direct to consumer these days, but it can't be high.
In terms of enterprise, they make a pretty decent product at a reasonably low cost. It'll last the service life of the equipment, and then some. I have no complaint with their ultra-vanilla tiny desktops, monitors, servers, and so on. The service contracts have always been perfectly adequate. I don't think there's anything they can do to move the needle to a higher tier without disproportionate expense, when the highest factor is "how easy is this to deploy and maintain?" and "how cheap can we buy them?"
@@Nicksanders99 I used to work I.T for the Government 10 years ago, the entire state was outfitted with Dell shitbox systems including schools, I believe they still have the contract there. Schools at the time also had a thing where for a small fee every student could get alocated a laptop, they were also Dell.
I distinctly remember the amount of Dell 2100 laptop screens I had to replace every week being ludicrous, the back part of the lid was made of rubber and students with a backpack full of books would constantly crush the screen through the lid on top of the destructive types that just broke them for the hell of it.
I'd be interested in seeing this card 'improved'. Fixed as in - Slap on some thermal pads on the Vram, and the other bits that usually have it, take away the shroud, apply some.. Better thermal paste and.. somehow improve the mounting pressure? Is that even possible?
You could even call it 'Dellving into the barrel 2: Improving Dell's bullshit.'
You might be able to improve the mounting pressure with a set of spring tensioned screws.
I'm curious too. I bet you can make it decent.
its doing alright as is and I doubt one can fix the rest of cheap parts.. It generally seems to be an ok card but will die young due to bad parts..
The performance is on par with the MSI 1660 super. They might be able to improve longevity of the card though, by improving thermals.
@@adarshchoudhary1900 they, at least, could've showed us the difference between memory temp with pads.
I have the same heatsink on my Zotac 1060 6gb mini, It was so rough on the surface i smoothed it and lowered the temp by 10 degrees
The more that goes on in the GPU front, the more I like and appreciate my little RX570.
The sound the gpu made when it tipped over is still ringing in my head
what time in the video ?
@@tribopower 0:25
00:24 the clang and that shrug are just killing me. I can simultaneously see Steve's soul being sucked out of his body and the fact that he seems to be enjoying it after all the pre-build videos recently.
mom: we already have a GeForce at home.
GeForce at home:
Havent' seen a GPU reach 110°C since my passively cooled Nvidia 8500GT. Ah, Dell...
The "clang" when it hits the table was perfect.
That cooler (minus the shroud) looks fairly similar to other Dell heatsinks on server parts, my guess is that they reused an existing design and just adapted it to add a fan and shroud.
Remove the shroud and you get a design philosophy that seems to mostly fit the server parts design - VRMs and other parts in servers relying on high case airflow to cool instead of using heatsinks, with the PCIe bracket well perforated for airflow egress.
Further adding to the possibility that it's a modified server design - the shroud look pretty much like an afterthought to the heatsink with blocking air paths, while the PCB is the regular green color like on all their server parts
not at all - server part designs are streamlined - and while the PCB are green they resemble teh quality of teh cheapest of server parts aka entry level.
GN rocks with it's intros! Your sense of humor is fantastic. Keep it coming! I laughed so hard.
The opening was SO GREAT! Comic genius, laughed hard. Best start to the vid, IMO.
Dell engineer at an interview (translated into plain language) : We design our products for maximum performance and least cost. Why design something to run so cool that the components will last 10 years of continuous use? Our products run hot enough that they will perform well and last enough. Not doing so is a waste (of our money). If you have a problem, That's what the guarantee is for.
"last enough" i.e. fail a few days after the warranty period is over.
@@r34ztune11 Pretty much. Still the amount of work needed to be able to build something as cheap as possible and and last just enough the warranty period is over is pretty interesting.
Takes big company arrogance to just assume their defintion of "enough" is even nearly the same as their customers'.
Even Nvidia should be concerned here, that this could harm their brand image if these absolutely garbage Gtx/Rtx cards are roaming around, particularly with ill informed pre-built buyers.
Nvidia needs to stop licencing they're parts to Dell, unless they actually try to produce a quality example of their products.
@@fuckoffyou There is such a thing as brand reputation. If the memory module overheats and dies, that can actually reflect on Nvidia too, not just Dell. There’s all kinds of examples where a big brand like Nike, Coke or something else will drop an athlete or celebrity sponsorship because of some public controversy involving said athlete or celebrity. Brand image is a big deal.
At the moment it doesn't matter, GPU's are so hard to get / expensive they'll sell out regardless. If they cared about brand image they would prevent their resellers charging above RRP. I can understand 3rd party stores and places like Amazon & Ebay charging more, but when the main resellers are scalping its just ridiculous.
@@depth386 Nvidia makes CHIPS not cards. they dont care what u do with their chips as they sold it to u
@@danielsatko- You are factually correct but you are missing the point. People who buy pre-built PCs and laptops do not often have as much knowledge. They can associate dying/defective parts with a brand just because it's there. This could work both ways, for example if Nvidia made defective chips that tend to die and sold them to Dell to use in PCs/Laptops then the customer might think "Oh, Dell sucks" when it is NOT Dell's fault, and in this case if the graphics card overheats the memory and dies then the customer might think "Oh, Nvidia graphics card sucks" when it is NOT Nvidia's fault. There is however, a degree of responsibility for every company to ensure that such unjust damage to reputation does not happen. Nvidia could easily have a "spec" requirement for anyone who buys their chips just to set a reasonable minimum for quality. It's kind of like why software has system requirements, so you don't blame the software if it's not their fault. BMW does not tell you it's okay to mix sand with your engine oil, why should Nvidia be okay with this garbage implementation of their chip?
The opening bit had me like:
"Sounded like you were going to say 'But...', there, Yahtz." You keep falling for that one, don't you, viewer?"
17:25 "you would have to get an excavator go to lower", this part killed me 🤣
same! I reposted before I saw your comment. So good.
I can imagine the VRAM would exceed thermal specification with only a moderate amount of dust accumulation.
The VRM thermals were done in their standard test system... Inside the "computer" from Dell it would be cooking away at 120C unless you have powerfull AC running all the time...
Give it half a year and the card will cook itself everytime somebody is gaming on it for longer period of time. Whoever bought this PC has to go full Russia cooling and stick the whole PC into the fridge.
Maybe “Dell” should rebrand to “Well”:)
That overlay on the die was amazing and what we need to see more of
You should have "fixed" the cooler with a few washers, quality thermal paste and some tiny VRAM heatsinks and shown dell how to do it for cents more
Yeah boy, hot and spicy. Get perfect medium rare eggs everytime with dellgrill
Dude, you're grilling with Dell!
And if you're lucky, you can get smoked eggs too
If Michael Dell didn't have such an overinflated ego, he'd take his name off the company, and return to the original name of PC's Limited. That name certainly fits better, given the limited quality of their products.
Nice comment.
You mean Michael Dill.
PCs Limited, or Warranties Unlimited?
Oh, that pressure map overlay on a GPU die photo is really useful! I hope you'll do that more.
After having played countless hours on Rainbow Six Siege, hearing GN at 1:51 triggered a ptsd I didnt know to have :)
I will pay you $800 for that Dell GPU!!!
OK. Not a penny over $999 now.
@@FakeGordonMahUng $1200 final offer.
@@alreed2434 SOLD to the fancy looking man holding up a sign that says, "I promise I am not a scalper"
@@stellarproductions8888 Yeah I noped out 6 months ago bought a basic laptop 3500u and vega 8. Been building computers for 28 years never seen anything close to this bs. Absolutely disgusting and now someone comes out with gigabyte 3080ti rumor @ $2600 usd!
@@alreed2434 So have I BTW, been building computers for 25 years for me. PC parts were always plentiful, prices may have sucked, but at least there was no void of inevitability as Agent Smith might say. I too had to cave. But if I have to cave, I'm going to do it right. So, before these machines disappeared like the fat guys lunch at the local DMV, I bought an MSI GE76-231 notebook, with a 8-core 16-thread I7 CPU, 32GB DDR 4 RAM, Nvidia 3080 GPU with 16GB VRAM, and a Samsung 1TB PCIE NVME SSD. 17" 300 hertz screen. Basically it takes one look at Dell and does a HULk smash.
When you get your new thermal test chamber, one thing that could perhaps be interesting to test might be to gradually raise the temperature and see at what point a card starts throttling. Not sure how time-consuming it would be, but I think it would be an interesting and quite practical metric of differentiation between different card/cooler designs. It seems this might start throttling at a much lower ambient temperature than more full-fledged 1660 Super models.
Higher ambient, or just in any case as bad as the one it came in.
13:44 Nice image montage to see the contact position.
Excellent pause at the intro. Bravo!
"You would need an Excavator ©" I understood that reference
"Dude you're getting a Dell"
It didn't fool me then, doesn't fool me now.
6:30 The Airflow is not competley blocked off there, if the cooler is mounted, there is as much space between the shroud and the PCB as on the motherboard side.
edit: at 11:58 you can see the actual gap. Could be bigger, but we've seen smaller ones.
I would love to see you add thermal pads to the memory and then cut the shroud to allow better air flow. Then retest and see how/if that improves the temps.
I'd love to see Steve try to make this cooler decent. Remove the plastic shroud to allow exhaust, add pads for the memory and then see if thermals are still garbo.
My friend was bragging to me about his new pre-build and this was his new video card.... Time to break his heart.
At least get him some themal pads dude
Yeah. A couple thermal pads, an intake fan and a complete wipe-and-reinstall should fix this mess in no time.
Did he seriously buy a Dell G5 5000?
*R.I.P*
Loved the thermal overlay on GPU. Keep it up!
Would be fun to see how much performance could be squeezed out of this card with some modding. Ie: filling in blank slots with appropriate components if possible, better cooling, ect...
Miners are still wanting this heap of crap to add to their mining farm because it's not LHR. 🤣
500 open box!!
lmao that heatsink looks like the one on the CPU cooler, which looks worse than the intel stock cooler.
Best intro yet for this Dell PC series Steve
the pressure overlay visual was a great idea!
This brings back memories of the 2000s where such excuses for cooling were the norm leaving people to glue and strap on whatever improvements that were available. I would even do double sided cooling back in the day using fairly thick thermal pads and scrap heatsinks to cool vram and vrms from both sides of the pcb which worked out pretty well.
@gamersnexus something you forgot to mention that is really important if a customer is only buying the pc for the gpu.
In Dell systems with an Nvidia gpu, the video card bios is also made by Dell and isn't supported by Nvidia. This means if you go to the Nvidia website to update the drivers, it will refuse you and tell you to instead to get your drivers from the dell website. If you pulled the gpu to put in another rig, then that means you will need the service tag from the dell pre built to ensure you are getting the correct drivers for the correct card and card bios.
Also dell isn't known for updating drivers on a timely basis and normally being two to three versions behind.
The more you know.
You guys need to do a “making it better” mod video for this card to see if it’s something that can be improved…
I bought a DELL RX550 with similar issues that was going cheap some time ago - I added a 1U heatsink to make the cooling effective. And replaced the single fan with 2x 40mm fans :-)
So sad when you think that the gpu chip could have been used in a good card given the shortage... what a waste. Just adds to the shortage woes...
yup, just more E-Waste (and it will become E-Waste pretttttty quickly with that cooling assembly...)
To be completely fair ASUS Phoenix cards are just as bad. But yeah I too wish it could just have some budget 2 fan Gigabyte cooler or MSI cooler. Would be so much more reasonable.
That chip and memory could be used in something like an msi or asus tuf card.
why mount coolers properly and preserve the components when you can sneak in a warranty subscription instead?
Less effort, more profit
Your product reviews continue to be frank, thorough, and entertaining. Guided my to some great products along the way too.
This GPU cooler looks like it was recycled from old CPU coolers and thrown into this card without even caring about cooling the memory of the GPU.
When I bought my gtx 1070 gigabyte day one at around $500 and at that time I thought it was very expensive. Oh poor naive me, compared to today it was very reasonable priced.
Now that same gtx 1070 is more expensive today than it was when it first came out.
my 2016 1060 is more than double the price now
@@shadowclaws45 it's crazy how much computer components are going for and with inflation creeping up even more, it will get worse.
@@grahamfahlman if you live in a first world country you can still get away with used or lower tier hardware... here in the slums you'll literally pay a kidney for an i5 with a 1050
The pressure map overlay on the actual heat spreader is great. editors, make this standard.
That intro is gold, ty for your acid humor, nice work as always
I appreciate the fact that you are hammering Dell with videos like this, I want them to improve.
keep holding your breath, eventually they'll get so crap that the only thing they can do is improve, end even then, they'll fight it.
The bar was so low, and yet Dell continues to treat it like limbo.
Steve : "To go lower than this, you would have to get an excavator."
AMD : "We've already done that and called it what it was."
🤣
“This is the bottom of the barrel” I laugh along sitting next to my 1030
This matches the things we see with the laptops at work.
My old full size Dell work laptop is a old 3000 series intel quadcore, it is superior then the new slim models in almost everything, except the size and battery life.
The new slim models have had faults with SSDs, mainboards, screens, batteries, touchpads, in out connectors, docking stations and cooling.
The service is also really bad, they look up the problem reported and replace things the computer tells them to replace, leading to 2 motherboard replacements in a pc with a bad memory stick.
The 3 motherboard replacement was stopped by me complaining over the phone.
The Dell docking stations we use, can get a damaged USB C connector, if the damage happens under warranty we receive a changeable replacement cable from Dell (guessing 5-10$), if it happens out of warranty the replacement cable is not available to buy and a new dock needs to be purchased (200$).
Gotta say I enjoyed the Dell ad that played after the end of this video. Well done, Alphabet ad sales team!