How much does your hand weigh? Lightening the mouse just doesn't cut it anymore. The mouse may weigh 16 grams, but your hand weighs way more. To really optimize our aiming, we have to think better, more radical designs will elevate our skill. Cut off your hands, replace them with carbon fiber and alluminum alloy proshetics. Give yourself an unbeatable hardware advantage.
You are joking, but that will be the wall of practicality. When you move your mouse you are also moving you hand and past a point the wright would become unnoticeable.
Above or below the wrist? A wrist would be useful for small movements, but then you’d still have a forearm slowing you down. Taking it right back to the elbow seems optimal
I considered the same, but there is some degree of movement you can do with fingertips when the mouse isn't heavy, and in sure you can do it with more agility when it's this light.
@@bourne_ I'd imagine you would also be constantly appealing game bans and making new accounts with how pinpoint accurate and fast you could be by thinking inputs alone.
yeah i have like hyperhidrosis in my hands and im pretty sure it gets worse when its cold but i think it'd probably be ok for the zeromouse. i think it'd just get sweaty on the contact points and will accumulate at the fingers.
It won't make a huge difference, but if you're chasing grams consider switching to plastic screws. Custom tiny whoop drones use PEEK and Reny screws in the
@@gracelandtoo6240 Since you're already watching the intended info-mercial about a mouse, then distracting it with another advert would defeat the fucking purpose
Fun fact: the two printers highlighted at 5:11 (HP Multi Jet Fusion and Stratasys H350) are actually using inkjet printing, not lasers! The inkjet printers print an infrared absorbing ink onto the layer of Nylon powder that causes that region to heat above the melting point of the Nylon while the rest stays as a powder. This means that the entire layer is printed in one go rather than "drawing" a pattern with a single laser point, making it potentially much faster. Beyond this, the principle is the same as SLS
@@cwbh10For a geometry like this I really wouldn’t anticipate a major difference between SLS and MJF. SLS will produce slightly cleaner details which can matter for more cosmetic parts but MJF can still produce absolutely outstanding surfaces by any metric. For a purely functional part like this, if both prints are cleaned properly I’m not sure you could tell the difference without a microscope.
I still have that on my mouse g403 hero, got one years ago and whenever I need a new one I just buy the same one each time. (had like 4 so far I think)
Still running an original G502 with all the weights installed. I don't play first person games nearly enough that the potential performance benefits of removing that weight would force me to deal with the attacks of PTSD I get from excessively lightweight mice. I bet the weights became a thing specifically so the gaming mice could set themselves as far apart as it gets from the HHHHHIDEOUS 2000s office mice that were everywhere and despised by everyone.
i started designing my own mouse shell, being inspired by your videos on the zeromouse and one idea i had to make it look nicer when i'm not gaming is to add the rest of the shell as a magnetically attached piece you can take off when gaming. you get a full shell, a nice looking design and then when you want to frag out you can take the top off and have the super light open design
I've completely eliminated the use of a mouse as I've upgraded to go full mind control which cuts down latency from your eyes to your brain to your hand by 100%.
At this point couldn’t you just stick a sensor and a switch to your finger tips? Sensor on ring finger tip and mouse buttons on the two fingers that would click the buttons usually?
Some people use pen + drawing tablets for gaming. Probably the closest thing you will get to that. Fact is in most shooters, you don't even need right click.
This has to be one of the best peripheral video ive ever watched, and I love your quote saying "Good aim isnt just point and click but a way to learn patterns", wonderful vid, deserved all the subs you can possible attain.
This mouse has such a DIY feel to it, I can’t help but wonder how long it will be before someone shares the project online for us to 3D print and assemble ourselves. It seems to make more sense as a DIY project than as an actual branded product.
@undeniablySomeGuy it doesn't require sls to work, I have similar models done on fdm, if you use real hard tpu, which is almost like petg, then you have stiffness and perfect layer adhesion, sls is another thing on top of funny foam box to make the thing feel "premium"
imo the next big step for that project could be making more than just fingertip molds. something for claw grip or even palm grip could be easily achievable with only like 5g more weight.
I have a suggestions You should make a clay mold to pick the shape of your hand doing all the motions that you do while aiming with fingertip, and then base the contact ponts in this shape.
But that would work best only for his hand. If anyone else wants the same thing, they would need a new mold, and that would make the manufacturing process more complex
@@blazerker1640naturally, but with 3d printing that would be easier than you think. Its already got a modular design. There would even be potential to use 3d scans and pressure points instead of a clay mould
how does he make his videos THIS minimalistic? literally every frame in the video looks super minimalistic, soft, nice, i dont even know how to describe it
I bought "replacement" ceramic mouse feet some years ago from a French company on Amazon (who doesn't seem to be around anymore), and I pop them off and apply to every new mouse I buy. They're about the size of a small button, and you remove the original feet and double-sided tape them in place. They do add a little weight, but it is low, centred and well worth the upgrade. The friction is so very low, you should consider trying such a thing on your lightweight mouse to make it feel even less connected to the surface (friction, being likely the largest drag component now, rather than inertia).
@@alinaeem4110 Oh, nah, the product or price is not an issue I just can't hold the mouse like that. If my palm is not on the mouse it's a bust for me by default
couple suggestions for the future: would love a side button version even at the compromise of additional weight since those range from very useful to absolutely mandatory for a lot of games; see fortnite. would be an interesting challenge. would also like a smaller variant that more closely matches something like the ulx small width.
Man I love how aesthetic you are. From top to bottom it is minimal. Your work area is designed with love and lighting is more than perfect! Love your persona, and how confidently you talk
I’m not a finger tip grip player, but I bought your mouse and am currently playing finger tip grip and am so happy with the mouse Can’t wait to see how much further you take this mouse
Dude id say the same thing, that aim is insane. But then I’m also silver 1 so just a single headshot with wido is enough to get the entire lobbie screaming hacks lol
Next step would be to move the circuit board off the mouse to an external box, with just the sensor and two switches in the mouse itself. That’s gotta be good for a couple of grams at least.
No, it wouldn't be. Let's say your mouse is based on STM32L052T6 processor, you can choose the second smallest package not the smallest, 4x4x0.5mm, that's a weight of 0.01g. You only need 4 wires, power, ground, and USB D+ an D-. Now imagine you had the processor offboard, then you need to run to the mouse power, ground, sensor clk, sensor mosi, sensor miso, and 2 wires for the buttons. The copper weight in the cable adds up quickly! The one change that would sort of make sense is to remove the 3v3 regulator (sot-23 + 2 MLCCs) from the mouse and move it into the plug housing at the other end of the cable, but even that won't save you more than 0.03g including footprint induced weight. Bulkier processors which need more external components can come out cheaper, so you don't see this one often. I would remove the USB-C connector due to steel weight and replace it with Picoblade or JST GH, mould a strain relief onto the cable.
Definitely picking one up. I'd really like to do this sort of project myself, but I have other passion projects at the moment, so I'd love to support yours. Excellent work.
I don''t even get the point of this.. I put weights in my mouse because too light and it makes it too spaztic and when I want higher speeds I just turn up my DPI (because a good mouse can do 16,000DPI and a flick of my wrist will send it zooming acroos two screens.)
@@erisium6988 If you think a lighter mouse is going to make you a better gamer, well good on you. Maybe if your wrists weren't so weak you'd have better twitch reaction speed, or try going outside and playing with a ball for better eye hand coordination.
Why not print the solid pieces with cutouts? With thin enough cutouts you could probably half the weight of each piece without compromising hold-ability.
If only companies like Logitech took inspiration from these innovations instead of dreaming of a subscription mouse. I hope that at some point, whether through your company directly or collaborations of some sort, these innovations you've brought to gaming mice will become more accessible. Your design work is incredibly interesting, and I really want it to change the gaming mouse industry for the better. Good luck!
you confuse something here. logitech does not make products purely for passion, but for money. truly great innovation like this will only ever be achieved by small indivduals or groups. azeron with their cyborg for keyboards comes to mind
Man, in all honesty? This is amazing. People will complain that you want to sell your stuff and not make it avaiable freely, but man, this is business, and the product is fire🔥🔥 Congrats on this new mouse, this looks awesome.
idea: put the PCB outside of the mouse as an external dock and just run wires from the laser sensor and buttons to the board (the cable will be bigger but there will be no board?
1:15 I upgraded from a heavy mouse to g pro superlight and it was a huge change. But after around a year my scroll wheel started giving some issues, so I tried my old mouse. But I couldn't use it as it felt just too heavy.
Hey dude, just wanted to say you’re probably one of the best tech RUclipsrs out there. Your videos are the best mix of quality, length and information and they’re always a joy to watch!
Really appreciate the fact that you actually did some research into where to outsource metal 3d printed instead of just going straight to a pcbway sponser
Just a mild correction: There are multiple 3d printing options that don't require supports, not just SLS. It might be the only one available to individual consumers though, but there are many more in industry. That is all.
I went to go purchase a V35 and it was sold out. I guess I'm waiting for the final production at the end of the year. I'm really excited for this mouse and I will have to figure out where to put melee and grenade moving forward without the side buttons.
I developed a prototype three years ago. A type of gloves that had a laser sensor on the middle finger and click sensors on the thumb and index finger.
I was wrong, the hoodies & t shirts are actually from a company named Hours Collective. I've done a better side by side and they match colorways and design closer. The only colorway they don't seem to hold at the moment is Olive Green.
not only are SLS printers expensive but the powder is not something you want to be breathing in. SLS powder is a super pain to handle and not something people should have at home.
@@IrrationalDelusion Printing with FDM printers (your typical filament-fed nozzle printer) or SLM/resin printers is fine, but SLS (selective laser sintering) uses ultrafine powders (plastics or metals depending on what you want) which require very careful handling as they can be toxic and cause lung issues if inhaled. It's not something you want to be handling willy-nilly. It can be done at home if you had the money but you're best having a dedicated space for it to avoid contamination through the house and a respirator and some sort of skin protection.
@@cooldude20115 resin can also be bad know someone who made resin keycaps and they were sanding them and stuff and saying "ohh I feel tired" and I'm just like... "mask?" "nope" ..... but yea, nylon is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse to handle, even skin contact! usually, like sand blasting is done in a chamber where you use gloves, the same is done with nylon afaik, so as long as you follow good procedure it's fine (but humans like to take shortcuts)
I'd love to see a version with side buttons. I just use them too much to ever get rid of them. (even if it's not the main design, just a side product that's the same, but with the added weight and functionality of side buttons)
I love your design, but I think you could get it even more rigid and possibly lighter by using the PCB as a structural member. It’s pretty easy and cheap to make it into an x shape with a frame around it. Also FR4 (PCB substrate material) is incredibly strong(Young‘s modulus of 24 in bending, compared to 1.7 GPa in SLS Nylon). If I where you I would try to use the PCB to give structure and only add the finger rests and button covers as 1 layer thic molded carbon fiber sheets glued directly to the PCB. You could also directly apply the feet using some printed risers, to keep the sensor at the right height. Having a less complex part will also save you cost in the long run, since milling a PCB with large cutouts is sooo much cheaper than a SLS-print.
The nerve going through your arm is a huge source of added click latency. Consider moving the actuators from the mouse into a separate PCB that you trigger by biting down on it to increase your reaction speed.
It's so weird to be used to "weighty" mouses... I'm a fan of heavy mouses and I REALLY like them, but the improvement i like today are the mouse skates that are being created, glass ones and very "slidy" material ones are my prefered. I think people should get light ones if they really like, but for me is a no go...
The problem I've found with superlight mice is that without the feeling of resistance as you push them along your mouse pad, it's difficult (at least for me) to judge how far I'm moving it. Neat concept though.
i'm disabled and have only limited function with my right hand.(left arm paralyzed, right thumb has limited strength) , and I'm considered a high functioning quadriplegic. i find the only mouse that works for me over the years has been a razer naga hex v1 where i place my index finger over the hex side buttons. I'm at the point now that i can't find any of these mice and the ones i find are dead or partially working so i've been piece mealing mice together the last few years. I'm now going to have to unshelve my 3d printed mouse project and attempt to build something similar to the hex but with updated parts. And yes i've tried razers newer versions but they've changed them too much for me to use them enjoyably. I've also tried dozens of different mice and none work right for me due to the weight or width or side buttons curving inward instead of outward like the hex does. This project is a great reference point for me to work from. Thank you for documenting your process!
$69 bucks for a 16gram shell with some tape and skates. Dude at that price you are literally asking some Aliexpress store to copy your design and sell it for half.
@@wa2d10l9 No not even close, not with this little footprint and material, not when you're ordering a dozen of them at least in one batch. I agree the price is a little steep, look at Facfox shop how much these type of mouse modding kits usually cost. Sure you have various business overhead but this is why most kit designers partner with a shop like this which has this all optimised.
@@konga382 exactly, its not the actual project and its a prototype, hes still trying to find a more cost affective alternative, this dude didnt even pay attention to the video
fr tho no ones talking about that bs, i think hes trying to include that other stuff to make it seem like its worth $70. the print costs maybe a couple dollars at most
@@ohnoitstomas4769 if the prints cost 10$ (taxes etc), the jade skates and obsidian dots cost 5 each, supergrips cost 10, thats already 35$+ after taxes on his end without markups. add in the hours he has spent in doing this + profit margin, the price starts making sense.
As a mechanical engineer i recommand you to use a fiber reinforced polymer such as IXEF or equivalent for the injection molded frame to improve the stiffness. Maybe you can add some texture for on the contact surface with the fingers (some kind of knurling) to improve the feeling. Or for the injection version you can use an overmolded soft material for these contact surfaces and a rigid one for the frame (more costy but better !). Amazing job ! Keep going !
Excellent work Optimum. For your next mission I'm going to need you to design the world's first (good) ergonomic gaming mouse. Ergonomic in the spirit of something like the Logitech Lift Vertical ergonomic mouse (i.e. 57 degree tilt to enable natural forearm posture for people with RSI etc).
The limits are literally near for gaming mice at this point, it’s honestly crazy to see new competition coming in clutch for replacements for the popular brands like Razer, Logitech, and SteelSeries 😅
Physics aint working like this. The mass is still there. You just add a lifting force that fights gravity. It will feel lighter to lift up, but the inertia is still there, and it will be even higher cuz of adding more mass to it with helium containers.
Please make more, I would love to buy one even if just to test one out! I currently use a Logitech Pro Superlight and that already feels crazy compared to most mice I was used to.
I think a touch-pad strip could make a good lightweight scroll-wheel alternative. A lot of MIDI keyboards use them for pitch control, and some Apple and Microsoft mice do something similar for gesture input.
Another commenter mentioned taking the PCB out. That could be a good idea, like a 3 foot cable attached to a wireless rock with the rest of the PCB in it could have expected latencies and be a big improvement weightwise.
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How much does your hand weigh? Lightening the mouse just doesn't cut it anymore. The mouse may weigh 16 grams, but your hand weighs way more. To really optimize our aiming, we have to think better, more radical designs will elevate our skill.
Cut off your hands, replace them with carbon fiber and alluminum alloy proshetics. Give yourself an unbeatable hardware advantage.
You are joking, but that will be the wall of practicality. When you move your mouse you are also moving you hand and past a point the wright would become unnoticeable.
Neuralink and you don't need a mouse anymore.
Above or below the wrist? A wrist would be useful for small movements, but then you’d still have a forearm slowing you down. Taking it right back to the elbow seems optimal
I considered the same, but there is some degree of movement you can do with fingertips when the mouse isn't heavy, and in sure you can do it with more agility when it's this light.
@@bourne_ I'd imagine you would also be constantly appealing game bans and making new accounts with how pinpoint accurate and fast you could be by thinking inputs alone.
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2024: 16g mouse
2025: 0g mouse
2026: -16g mouse
helium infused hard shell?
Antimatter?
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@@pringlyo9796 nah you implant the sensor into your palm
2027 mental mouse 😂😂😂
As a sweaty gamer, literally, i would fry this mouse the moment my greasy hand touches it.
the acidity would melt the mouse
@@unironicaluser1867 i death grip my mouse so this wont last an hour
Maybe your hand would be less sweaty when most of your hand doesn't actually touch the mouse
@@Max24871ever heard of acid rain?
yeah i have like hyperhidrosis in my hands and im pretty sure it gets worse when its cold but i think it'd probably be ok for the zeromouse. i think it'd just get sweaty on the contact points and will accumulate at the fingers.
It won't make a huge difference, but if you're chasing grams consider switching to plastic screws. Custom tiny whoop drones use PEEK and Reny screws in the
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No lengthy intro.
No sponsor segue.
No begging for like and subscribe.
Straight business.
It's hard to go back to other tech channels.
Yeah tell me about it, I clicked randomly for keyboard review and im hooked.
There's no segue because the whole video is a fucking advert
True, but there's no ads in his other videos either
@@gracelandtoo6240 Since you're already watching the intended info-mercial about a mouse, then distracting it with another advert would defeat the fucking purpose
The best part of this channel is no RGB
Fun fact: the two printers highlighted at 5:11 (HP Multi Jet Fusion and Stratasys H350) are actually using inkjet printing, not lasers! The inkjet printers print an infrared absorbing ink onto the layer of Nylon powder that causes that region to heat above the melting point of the Nylon while the rest stays as a powder. This means that the entire layer is printed in one go rather than "drawing" a pattern with a single laser point, making it potentially much faster. Beyond this, the principle is the same as SLS
I think it'd be pretty cool to see this also printed on a Fuse 1+. I'm pretty sure the quality could look even better
@@cwbh10For a geometry like this I really wouldn’t anticipate a major difference between SLS and MJF. SLS will produce slightly cleaner details which can matter for more cosmetic parts but MJF can still produce absolutely outstanding surfaces by any metric. For a purely functional part like this, if both prints are cleaned properly I’m not sure you could tell the difference without a microscope.
I think it'd be pretty cool to see this also printed on a Fuse 1+. I'm pretty sure the quality could look even better
Desaturated Tom Scott makes a mouse that is so light than it would get bullied by the cord as soon as you put it down
remember when mice came with small extra metal nuts or washers so you could adjust the weight and make your mouse heavier?
Yeah, good times.
I still have that on my mouse g403 hero, got one years ago and whenever I need a new one I just buy the same one each time. (had like 4 so far I think)
they still do. only comp obsessed people buy lightweight mice.
Still running an original G502 with all the weights installed. I don't play first person games nearly enough that the potential performance benefits of removing that weight would force me to deal with the attacks of PTSD I get from excessively lightweight mice.
I bet the weights became a thing specifically so the gaming mice could set themselves as far apart as it gets from the HHHHHIDEOUS 2000s office mice that were everywhere and despised by everyone.
My Microsoft sidewinder mouse came with custom weights that fit into a tray that slots into the mouse.
I prefer a moderately heavy mouse. I don't game competitively, I just play to have fun.
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@@BatmanGothamReal holy shit 😰😨
0:02 7 jelly beans
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@@maximus3294same pfp
@@JV-dz2yf7 jelly beans
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"LIGHT WEIGHT, BABY!" - Ronnie Coleman
Next, the 800 solid ass pounds mouse
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i started designing my own mouse shell, being inspired by your videos on the zeromouse and one idea i had to make it look nicer when i'm not gaming is to add the rest of the shell as a magnetically attached piece you can take off when gaming. you get a full shell, a nice looking design and then when you want to frag out you can take the top off and have the super light open design
6:09 what a packaging design masterpiece... black indistinguishable object on a black background
I've completely eliminated the use of a mouse as I've upgraded to go full mind control which cuts down latency from your eyes to your brain to your hand by 100%.
nice😂
You got the Elon musk brain chip?
@@moortu exactly, no more living in the dark ages of using a mouse. A mouse is the equivalent to using a cassette tape at this point.
“HES USING AIMBOT!!!”
I need to get that
man i upgraded from a 90g mouse to 55g and thought its air, what is 16 than ?? O_O
Air Pro Max
I still use a G502 😭😭😭
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I have a 13g mouse and all I feel is the wire friction. if I let go of the mouse the wire will drag it away from under my fingertips 😂
At this point couldn’t you just stick a sensor and a switch to your finger tips? Sensor on ring finger tip and mouse buttons on the two fingers that would click the buttons usually?
Have been tried, still not good enough
Some people use pen + drawing tablets for gaming. Probably the closest thing you will get to that. Fact is in most shooters, you don't even need right click.
At that point just get a camera that tracks your hand. No mouse required
Would also need low friction pads, skin has high friction
@@pilapila183 BasicallyHomeless did it. 😅
This has to be one of the best peripheral video ive ever watched, and I love your quote saying "Good aim isnt just point and click but a way to learn patterns", wonderful vid, deserved all the subs you can possible attain.
This mouse has such a DIY feel to it, I can’t help but wonder how long it will be before someone shares the project online for us to 3D print and assemble ourselves. It seems to make more sense as a DIY project than as an actual branded product.
don't forget about elephant in the room - 70USD for 3d printed model worth 2$ LMAO
you SLS at home? The fabrication method seems pretty high end
@@undeniablySomeGuyjust normal 3d printing obviously. He never said it had to be made one special way
@@howabout2138and you need to buy a razor viper v2 pro for the circuit, actually shocking
@undeniablySomeGuy it doesn't require sls to work, I have similar models done on fdm, if you use real hard tpu, which is almost like petg, then you have stiffness and perfect layer adhesion, sls is another thing on top of funny foam box to make the thing feel "premium"
Using jellybeans as a weight standard is craaaaazy
the Democracy measurements
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Bros gonna move the PCB off the mouse and onto some module in the cable real soon
Edit: I forgot that latency is a real thing
Wait that’s actually genius
@@Ping-18_xaille it's something I've wanted to do however I am unable to try due to the fact that I am broke
It look so obvious, I was surprised that it was not addressed in the video. Same for cable support btw
I don't understand why he hasn't already. This is *reeeeally* simple
Don't give him ideas!
one rage and its over
Rage with your left hand and press alt f4
You could say that about any mouse. I've shattered G600s and Xbox controllers in a single throw
i mean...i made my own one with a 3d printer and when it breaks...i print a new one :D
@@Lokamyr Thats so funny 😂
@@RubyRoks I still don't get it how people can range so much over a game.
imo the next big step for that project could be making more than just fingertip molds. something for claw grip or even palm grip could be easily achievable with only like 5g more weight.
i cannot get over the quality of your videos. So beautiful, cinematography is amazing
man, still remember when you printed a honeycomb battery cover for the g305. look how far you've come
I have a suggestions
You should make a clay mold to pick the shape of your hand doing all the motions that you do while aiming with fingertip, and then base the contact ponts in this shape.
that's actually a very good idea
But that would work best only for his hand. If anyone else wants the same thing, they would need a new mold, and that would make the manufacturing process more complex
@@blazerker1640naturally, but with 3d printing that would be easier than you think. Its already got a modular design. There would even be potential to use 3d scans and pressure points instead of a clay mould
how does he make his videos THIS minimalistic? literally every frame in the video looks super minimalistic, soft, nice, i dont even know how to describe it
he's living in the back of a Rick Owens prison
MONEY.
and empty room and good lighting helps
Nice lenses.
optimal
When your mouse falls off your desk and breaks, you try to glue it back together again, and it ends up looking like this.
I bought "replacement" ceramic mouse feet some years ago from a French company on Amazon (who doesn't seem to be around anymore), and I pop them off and apply to every new mouse I buy. They're about the size of a small button, and you remove the original feet and double-sided tape them in place. They do add a little weight, but it is low, centred and well worth the upgrade. The friction is so very low, you should consider trying such a thing on your lightweight mouse to make it feel even less connected to the surface (friction, being likely the largest drag component now, rather than inertia).
Essentially this is an ad, but it’s non-intrusive and kept my attention. I like it.
It's for his own product, and still interesting even if I would never buy it
@@AlleonoriCatI mean you could print it if you have the CAD files
@@alinaeem4110 Oh, nah, the product or price is not an issue I just can't hold the mouse like that. If my palm is not on the mouse it's a bust for me by default
@@AlleonoriCat I mean you can learn to finger grip but you do you
@@alinaeem4110 okay? cool? thanks for letting me live my life? I guess?
couple suggestions for the future: would love a side button version even at the compromise of additional weight since those range from very useful to absolutely mandatory for a lot of games; see fortnite. would be an interesting challenge.
would also like a smaller variant that more closely matches something like the ulx small width.
Reverse mount tactile SMD switches and structural PCB.
Or snap domes (Snaptron) and tape.
Your videography level is on another level
Man I love how aesthetic you are. From top to bottom it is minimal. Your work area is designed with love and lighting is more than perfect! Love your persona, and how confidently you talk
I’m not a finger tip grip player, but I bought your mouse and am currently playing finger tip grip and am so happy with the mouse Can’t wait to see how much further you take this mouse
7:21 Soldier cheating lmaooo
Senpai Soldier 😂
Dude id say the same thing, that aim is insane. But then I’m also silver 1 so just a single headshot with wido is enough to get the entire lobbie screaming hacks lol
8:15 Tracer cheating 😂
Next step would be to move the circuit board off the mouse to an external box, with just the sensor and two switches in the mouse itself. That’s gotta be good for a couple of grams at least.
No, it wouldn't be.
Let's say your mouse is based on STM32L052T6 processor, you can choose the second smallest package not the smallest, 4x4x0.5mm, that's a weight of 0.01g. You only need 4 wires, power, ground, and USB D+ an D-. Now imagine you had the processor offboard, then you need to run to the mouse power, ground, sensor clk, sensor mosi, sensor miso, and 2 wires for the buttons. The copper weight in the cable adds up quickly! The one change that would sort of make sense is to remove the 3v3 regulator (sot-23 + 2 MLCCs) from the mouse and move it into the plug housing at the other end of the cable, but even that won't save you more than 0.03g including footprint induced weight.
Bulkier processors which need more external components can come out cheaper, so you don't see this one often.
I would remove the USB-C connector due to steel weight and replace it with Picoblade or JST GH, mould a strain relief onto the cable.
@@SianaGearz the Zaunkoenig PCB he used weighs 6.7g. That’s what I was talking about.
I fear optimum makes these videos to simply show us how good a widowmaker he is
like what the fuck was that first shot on the valking mercy 1:08
Dude is crazy. I have been wanting to see a match up with him and D2D.
Brother says he is terrible while showing the most insane clips.
Any idea what rank he is?
Those people accusing him of cheating has never seen pro level players from CS1.6/Source/2 do super fast accurate flicks and tracking :\
@@johnx18 prob top 500
That hoodie looks comfy and high quality. Would love to see videos with clothing suggestions too.
It's so fun listening to optical talk about something he's so passionate about and proud of
Definitely picking one up. I'd really like to do this sort of project myself, but I have other passion projects at the moment, so I'd love to support yours. Excellent work.
Imagine switching back to a “lightweight” gaming mouse
I don''t even get the point of this.. I put weights in my mouse because too light and it makes it too spaztic and when I want higher speeds I just turn up my DPI (because a good mouse can do 16,000DPI and a flick of my wrist will send it zooming acroos two screens.)
Switch back to G502 with maxed out weight... 💀
@@SilvaDreams then its not for u, its made for people that are good at the games
@@erisium6988 like you? i can bet 100$ you're not good in a single game, and no pro player is ever gonna use a mouse like this lmao
@@erisium6988 If you think a lighter mouse is going to make you a better gamer, well good on you. Maybe if your wrists weren't so weak you'd have better twitch reaction speed, or try going outside and playing with a ball for better eye hand coordination.
Why not print the solid pieces with cutouts? With thin enough cutouts you could probably half the weight of each piece without compromising hold-ability.
Congrats man you deserve everything coming to you❤❤
My MX-Master-3S left click is failing, and this video came to mind. Can't wait to see more of this.
soon gaming mice are gonna have negative weights
Imagine superconductor mouse
Anti matter weights?
Helium infused plastic
@@michaelwaters4438 somebody mentioned about a brainchip xD
@@jalalabdulaziz 0 weight =/= 0 mass, just because a boat floats and technically has 0 weight on a scale does not make it easy to move
If only companies like Logitech took inspiration from these innovations instead of dreaming of a subscription mouse.
I hope that at some point, whether through your company directly or collaborations of some sort, these innovations you've brought to gaming mice will become more accessible. Your design work is incredibly interesting, and I really want it to change the gaming mouse industry for the better. Good luck!
you confuse something here. logitech does not make products purely for passion, but for money. truly great innovation like this will only ever be achieved by small indivduals or groups. azeron with their cyborg for keyboards comes to mind
And work on making lightweight, hyperscroll, moba mice
@@flamestoyershadowkill this would be sick
That’s the difference between creative people and MBAs
@@waitingforcivictyper No, it's the difference between a business and a hobby.
I will buy once you reach 6.9g
dude just use custom mouse pcb bro
6.9 ± 0.04 g ? Low tolerance mouse!?
Nice
@@killertaker3990 ± 0.0420 would be better.
You're committed now, no takesies-backsies whatever the cost will be
“soldier cheating.” had me LMAO
Man, in all honesty? This is amazing. People will complain that you want to sell your stuff and not make it avaiable freely, but man, this is business, and the product is fire🔥🔥 Congrats on this new mouse, this looks awesome.
idea: put the PCB outside of the mouse as an external dock and just run wires from the laser sensor and buttons to the board (the cable will be bigger but there will be no board?
1:15 I upgraded from a heavy mouse to g pro superlight and it was a huge change. But after around a year my scroll wheel started giving some issues, so I tried my old mouse. But I couldn't use it as it felt just too heavy.
Scroll issue known issue you can get a replacement, I’m on my third one lol
Already bought the first Zeromouse. Just purchased the second drop to support Optimum and his stellar content.
Bro support? These sell out instantly lol sell me yours if you are not using it 🙏
Cuz... The guy has a Mclaren. he's doing good don't worry.
Wow dude amazing work I can tell you’re really an engineering expert, not just talking about PC hardware lol
Hey man, can't believe World Cup T20 will be featured on 4ra soon, super stoked for it
Hey dude, just wanted to say you’re probably one of the best tech RUclipsrs out there. Your videos are the best mix of quality, length and information and they’re always a joy to watch!
Really appreciate the fact that you actually did some research into where to outsource metal 3d printed instead of just going straight to a pcbway sponser
Just a mild correction: There are multiple 3d printing options that don't require supports, not just SLS.
It might be the only one available to individual consumers though, but there are many more in industry.
That is all.
I went to go purchase a V35 and it was sold out. I guess I'm waiting for the final production at the end of the year. I'm really excited for this mouse and I will have to figure out where to put melee and grenade moving forward without the side buttons.
I developed a prototype three years ago. A type of gloves that had a laser sensor on the middle finger and click sensors on the thumb and index finger.
Next: a 2g gaming mouse
Why not 1g
nah, 0 gram mouse: your imagination
@@aKevbodoable, just a camera with some AI
Ierzi watched optimum?
@@Colours.Gaming didn’t expect to see you there lol
soldier cheating 7:20 😂
Finally, a mouse with which my overshooting will reach its max potential and loop back to aiming properly
Yeah, watching matches on 4ra with friends is the best. We all get so hyped!
Not related but what brand hoodie are u wearing? Looks hella comfy
Literally did CTRL-F to find this comment. I need to know :(
sweats collective
I was wrong, the hoodies & t shirts are actually from a company named Hours Collective. I've done a better side by side and they match colorways and design closer. The only colorway they don't seem to hold at the moment is Olive Green.
not only are SLS printers expensive but the powder is not something you want to be breathing in. SLS powder is a super pain to handle and not something people should have at home.
Are you sure? There’s like huge movement of printing gear for soldiers at home in Ukraine. So that stuff could be toxic?
@@IrrationalDelusion Printing with FDM printers (your typical filament-fed nozzle printer) or SLM/resin printers is fine, but SLS (selective laser sintering) uses ultrafine powders (plastics or metals depending on what you want) which require very careful handling as they can be toxic and cause lung issues if inhaled. It's not something you want to be handling willy-nilly. It can be done at home if you had the money but you're best having a dedicated space for it to avoid contamination through the house and a respirator and some sort of skin protection.
@@cooldude20115 resin can also be bad
know someone who made resin keycaps and they were sanding them and stuff and saying "ohh I feel tired" and I'm just like... "mask?" "nope" .....
but yea, nylon is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse to handle, even skin contact!
usually, like sand blasting is done in a chamber where you use gloves, the same is done with nylon afaik, so as long as you follow good procedure it's fine
(but humans like to take shortcuts)
@@IrrationalDelusion I Don't think a Ukranian stormtrooper is thinking much about toxicity when a drone attack hits enemies or allies.
@@leoroyal5577 Civilians print it for soldiers, printers installed at home.
Bro saw the 22g pen grip mouse last week and said hold my beer
bro fr LOL. I wished he talked about it.
Link?
I'd love to see a version with side buttons. I just use them too much to ever get rid of them. (even if it's not the main design, just a side product that's the same, but with the added weight and functionality of side buttons)
I love your design, but I think you could get it even more rigid and possibly lighter by using the PCB as a structural member. It’s pretty easy and cheap to make it into an x shape with a frame around it. Also FR4 (PCB substrate material) is incredibly strong(Young‘s modulus of 24 in bending, compared to 1.7 GPa in SLS Nylon).
If I where you I would try to use the PCB to give structure and only add the finger rests and button covers as 1 layer thic molded carbon fiber sheets glued directly to the PCB. You could also directly apply the feet using some printed risers, to keep the sensor at the right height. Having a less complex part will also save you cost in the long run, since milling a PCB with large cutouts is sooo much cheaper than a SLS-print.
That beaulo spin at 1:17 😆
That's not a beaulo spin, people have been doing this since lightweight mice have been around for like 7 years
@@xblur17ok then tell me it’s name and who made it famous :)
@@xblur17 ...which is how long he's been doing it lmao
dissing the g502 should be a crime, that is a great mouse
The nerve going through your arm is a huge source of added click latency. Consider moving the actuators from the mouse into a separate PCB that you trigger by biting down on it to increase your reaction speed.
It's so weird to be used to "weighty" mouses...
I'm a fan of heavy mouses and I REALLY like them, but the improvement i like today are the mouse skates that are being created, glass ones and very "slidy" material ones are my prefered. I think people should get light ones if they really like, but for me is a no go...
I'm fairly confident i can crush this with one hand if I get even a little angry
wouldn’t a trackpad be a zero gram mouse?
lol
230 grams ):
Next step you could remove the circuit board from the mouse and have thin cables running from the buttons/sensors and have the board on the table.
6:51 how much weight could you save by turning your solid grips into honeycomb pattern as well?
The problem I've found with superlight mice is that without the feeling of resistance as you push them along your mouse pad, it's difficult (at least for me) to judge how far I'm moving it. Neat concept though.
i'm disabled and have only limited function with my right hand.(left arm paralyzed, right thumb has limited strength) , and I'm considered a high functioning quadriplegic.
i find the only mouse that works for me over the years has been a razer naga hex v1 where i place my index finger over the hex side buttons. I'm at the point now that i can't find any of these mice and the ones i find are dead or partially working so i've been piece mealing mice together the last few years. I'm now going to have to unshelve my 3d printed mouse project and attempt to build something similar to the hex but with updated parts. And yes i've tried razers newer versions but they've changed them too much for me to use them enjoyably. I've also tried dozens of different mice and none work right for me due to the weight or width or side buttons curving inward instead of outward like the hex does.
This project is a great reference point for me to work from. Thank you for documenting your process!
$69 bucks for a 16gram shell with some tape and skates. Dude at that price you are literally asking some Aliexpress store to copy your design and sell it for half.
Takes 30$ or more to print it
Haha funni number
@@wa2d10l9 No not even close, not with this little footprint and material, not when you're ordering a dozen of them at least in one batch.
I agree the price is a little steep, look at Facfox shop how much these type of mouse modding kits usually cost. Sure you have various business overhead but this is why most kit designers partner with a shop like this which has this all optimised.
It's not in mass production yet, and he's still selling as many mod kits as he can make. It wouldn't make sense to lower the price.
@@konga382 exactly, its not the actual project and its a prototype, hes still trying to find a more cost affective alternative, this dude didnt even pay attention to the video
bro 75$ for a small 3d print?
get real man, its basically a scam
fr tho no ones talking about that bs, i think hes trying to include that other stuff to make it seem like its worth $70. the print costs maybe a couple dollars at most
@@g3rm422 if hes buying in quantities of 100, the print is just under 8$ each, for singular prints, its 16$.
@@ohnoitstomas4769 if the prints cost 10$ (taxes etc), the jade skates and obsidian dots cost 5 each, supergrips cost 10, thats already 35$+ after taxes on his end without markups.
add in the hours he has spent in doing this + profit margin, the price starts making sense.
High IQ in these comments
As a mechanical engineer i recommand you to use a fiber reinforced polymer such as IXEF or equivalent for the injection molded frame to improve the stiffness. Maybe you can add some texture for on the contact surface with the fingers (some kind of knurling) to improve the feeling. Or for the injection version you can use an overmolded soft material for these contact surfaces and a rigid one for the frame (more costy but better !).
Amazing job ! Keep going !
Excellent work Optimum. For your next mission I'm going to need you to design the world's first (good) ergonomic gaming mouse. Ergonomic in the spirit of something like the Logitech Lift Vertical ergonomic mouse (i.e. 57 degree tilt to enable natural forearm posture for people with RSI etc).
I'm sorry but $100 for 26 grams of plastic is actually absurd you'd have to be a fool to waste ur money like that
lighter weight = more jitter
But how comfortable is it? At which point just use aerogel?
i would love to have a wireless version with a mousewheel and maybe a closed shell im excited what ur cooking up over there opti😮
That coffee weighing scale is insanely inaccurate for additive measuring, but it does work for one and done measuring like setting down mice.
This is the ultralight hiker of gaming. Doesn't matter how painful your existance is, as long as you're lightweight
The limits are literally near for gaming mice at this point, it’s honestly crazy to see new competition coming in clutch for replacements for the popular brands like Razer, Logitech, and SteelSeries 😅
Next video: Testing the
Yeah, but it's not a "Wooting."
Now add some tiny helium baloons in it, you'll get to 0 at some point...
Physics aint working like this. The mass is still there. You just add a lifting force that fights gravity. It will feel lighter to lift up, but the inertia is still there, and it will be even higher cuz of adding more mass to it with helium containers.
Bro is really selling 15gms of 3d printed material for 65€. 💀💀
I can't wait until the final (for the time being) production version so I can get my hands on this! Wireless and non mod kit is what I'm looking for!
Ali is like Leonardo DaVinci for hardware nerds
Why even have mouse buttons then? Putting random pressure on the mouse when shooting is bad for aiming anyways
Now I'm wondering, are there people who actually use the keyboard to fire? Like is that an actual thing pros do?
@@artival22 toxjq (quake pro) uses lmb/rmb for forward/backward, z/x to strafe and c to shoot. not aware of anyone else doing it tho
That's cool and all but 64€ for what is essentially a mouse shell? Even with all the optimizations and engineering done this feels so not worth it
Anyone else remember when we used to add extra weights into our gaming mice? Mice came with sets of configurable weights even
Please make more, I would love to buy one even if just to test one out! I currently use a Logitech Pro Superlight and that already feels crazy compared to most mice I was used to.
I think a touch-pad strip could make a good lightweight scroll-wheel alternative. A lot of MIDI keyboards use them for pitch control, and some Apple and Microsoft mice do something similar for gesture input.
Another commenter mentioned taking the PCB out. That could be a good idea, like a 3 foot cable attached to a wireless rock with the rest of the PCB in it could have expected latencies and be a big improvement weightwise.