There is only ONE Saurfang in all the timelines, for his Badassery is so Big he trascends the simple concept of Multiverses. And of course, the one, the true, the original Saurfang, is ours. Be Proud, for you are part of the One True Timeline.
In the beginning, there was only Saurfang, but there was 2. They would have fought for millennia, had time been a thing back then, neither one overcoming the other's attack. However, one of the two Saurfangs finally landed a devastating blow that Cleaved the other in half, creating the universe and all we know. The remaining Saurfang gazed upon this universe, and saw that it was good. Out of fear of Cleaving this new universe simply by moving, Saurfang assumed the form of a mortal on Draenor, starting the existence of the Orcish race and teaching them to make shoulderpads 10x bigger than their heads.
It really takes me out of the immersion when I see these characters 9ft taller then everyone else haha. Saurfang is one of my favorite characters, I’m glad he got his own cinematic he more then deserves it. Great lore vid as usual Nobbel.
During the Wrathgate event Blizz put Dranosh instead because Varok would just cleave the entire scourge all by himself thus leaving WotLK devoid of content
When Saurfang said he was injured in those tunnels, what he meant was his age caught up with him and he threw his back out from all the ass he had kicked, his enemies didn't actually lay a scratch on him.
Nyghtking he even used a bugs attack as an attempt of realigning his upper back, he has been enjoying reading steamy novels late at night or watch nobel videos and sometimes he gets a stiff neck and poor posture
TheramoreIsTheBomb He used to post as a Jaina fanboy for a time on the EU version of the Blizzard story forums (just like you do on Mmo-champ, I think) but then the Blood Elf fans scared him away from there :(
I really Hope Sylvanas or Saurfang make a Heroic Sacrifice for Azeroth, leaving the other for Warchief, like, we havr had a diferent warchiefe every xpac, its kinda Blahhh
Are you braindead? We have almost no one else left and you want ANOTHER warchief to die? Like 3 in a row? Can't the Horde have some political stability just for a change?
Hashirama Senju well we might want Anduin to die since Wrynns have been on that throne for far too long lets make him die a meaningless death maybe an asassination while asleep by a random goblin asassin from northshire.
I'm convinced Saurfang got himself captured on purpose. What better way to discuss his displeasure with Sylvanas than getting captured so he could speak to Anduin? He knew the Alliance wouldn't kill him. He's too smart to be caught off guard.
I still believe to this date that Garrosh was changed or replaced when the Horde took air ships to Highlands in Cataclysm, there's no way someone changes his personality in one expansion.
Nolagamer He's too old now and also it seems he is going to talk with Anduin...and the Orcs wouldn't want a Warchief who talks with the Humans in the middle of the war. So the best orc options for Warchief are still Thrall or his son (although his son is still too young...) or Grommash from AU Draenor
if sylvanas actually raised an undead saurfang, she effectively would have brought herself into the same position arthas did by killing and raising her
Not by that much though ... Arthas killed 90% of the Elves first and did not grant Sylvanas free will. Also Saurfang is not in the right either, fighting to die a honorable death when your comrades are fighting to see another day is cowardice. This is a thing Brox himself realized during the war of the Ancients.
Sayantan Mondal well i'm curious what his responses here will be since sylvanas is the one to tell him to disregard casualties as long as her weapons are fine and then goes off on a tangent about how nobody should have to die honorably. and yes, i'm not saying she would be as bad as arthas, otherwise she would have gotten the garrosh treatment already but she knows the pain of being raised from undeath better than anyone, there's a good reason she wanted to kill herself once arthas was dead - she felt awful in this existence. her threatening people with this, with her knowing what this experience is like, threatening taking that free will from him.. if anyone she should know better than that!
@Sayantan Mondal "Arthas did not grant Sylvanas Free Will" And judging by the Undead starting zones, the Forsaken's Free Will is also false. So...bullshit to your claim. Saurfang won't get Free Will if he's raised. Also, Broxigar only fought for others cause the Legion was invading. Here, this is a war his WARCHIEF starts. So...ya can't question/detain his Honor there.
By the end end of BfA, I'm really hoping to see Saurfang taking over as Warchief. Not because Sylvannas is killed or anything, but because she realizes that she has been following in Garrosh's footsteps too closely and steps down. If there is ever to be at least some form of peace between the Horde and Alliance, it's with Saurfang (or Baine) leading us.
I think Baine will become Warchief, He is the one giving the speech on the table I think Saurfang will be his right hand and councilor. The character development of Baine is very similar to Anduin, they both seek peace between factions they will be them who put an end to the war and focus on N'zoth and the void ones
The Horde has never ruled Azeroth, the Alliance does. They are ones correcting the mistakes the Horde makes, and who decides if the Horde deserves to continue existing. Remember the MoP ending cinematic?
Wow. Saurfang lead an interesting life. I thought the Horde focused on survival. However Saurfang's honor brings a whole new side, something more like Allience. I don't expect orcs to ever join the humans in the allience. That will never happen. They will do that when Blackrock Mountain freezes over. I noticed something in the Battle for Azeroth cinematic. When Anduin dresses in plate armour, he looks just like a young Arthas. That is intriguing.
Now I love Saurfang even more, and Tyrande managed to further disgust me with her absolute lack of consideration for him! >:( Amazing video as always, thank you.
3:56 she also played Durotan's involvement in the fall of Shatrath her whole argument as prosecutor was that ALL ORCS ARE EVIL BY DEFAULT and then Blizz wonders why lore fans are fed up with Tyrande
Please do a video on Baine Bloodhoof, no one really talks about him that much and it sucks because he's such a great character and I'm excited to see where blizzard take him in BFA.
Do you even read my comment? We have casaulties there, two villains - Lich King and Garrosh. Saurfang lost his son, as well as many fathers lost their sons because of Garrosh. And still in your opinion Tyrande is bad because she want to show him the same pain that other people feel because not Lich King but Garrosh? Is it bad? But what Saurfang want to do? Duel with him and he will be free if he win, and maybe because of this he again learn something about honor. Really the one who is bad is Tyrande who want him punished, not Saurfang who give Garrosh even shadow of hope to be forgiven if he win in fight against him? What is this? Another good character like Saurfang killed by Garrosh and he MAYBE will learn something? Others in his opinion do not have voice in this? Or maybe Lich King also deserve second chance because he was human paladin once? And thats why I love WoW lore done by Blizzard - they can split players to have own views even if in reality the answer is obvious. Good job Blizzard.
But that logic is quite frankly bullshit. Can you imagine if they applied that in the real world? Yes lady we will now show you once again the horrors a serial killer did to your son just so you can essentially be in the right mood to judge this serial killer. That logic is insane. What Tyrande did was actually against the law. It's called witness tampering. She should have been kicked off the case there and then for even suggesting it, not just blusing.
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Anybody realize how diffrent the acts of Krom'gar and Garrosh are? Garrosh punished Krom'gar for bombing a neutral grove that helf no threats and wasn't even fighting back. Theramore had only soldiers in it since it was evacuated, was Alliance controled (therefore and enemy to the Horde) and was the aggressor since theyr moved deeper into Horde lands and planed to attack multiple Horde villages.
^This. While nuking Theramore was a bit of a dick move, it did make tactical sense, it wasn't aimed at any non-combatants, and the Alliance was very much expecting and prepared for an attack from the Horde. Krom'gar was basically just anakining kids for the evulz.
Lmao, how the hell did you know no civilians died in the bombing? Or how would the horde know they would have all been evacuated in time? Rewriting lore to make it seem like the horde are less bad guys.
Carrot ermm...the Focusing Iris was stolen from a neutral faction. That’s pretty dishonorable and Garrosh knew it which is why he didn’t tell Lor’themar and Baine and Vol’jin about his plans before he carried them out. Also he dishonored the Horde soldiers. He brought us out there to Dustwallow Marsh and then we just stood there as the city blew up. We came to fight, not watch him wave his dick.
Blaze Actually it is well known, and it was known and planned by Garrosh. He knew Baine would warn Jaina of an attack against Theramore, and as he forsaw, Jaina evacuated the civilians and filled the city with the best combatants she was able to gather.including, for example, Rhonin. When they were locked in battle with the Horde armies he had the retreat sounded, and set off the mana bomb. That was a dishonorable dick move, but he was well aware that everyone were fighters. He planned that to kill them all at once, not to spare civilians, of course, but nevertheless he knew
I agree I hope Sylvanas gets good character development and develops more as the war chief and within the horde I'd hate to see her character thrown out now.
I personally think it would be really cool to see the undead break from the horde, and become their own faction amidst the other two, it seems they have their own agenda and although we’ve had them in the horde since the beginning, lore wise it seems that would be the route for them to take. And having Varok take over as warchief would be a welcomed site. Anybody akin to Broxigar would be a worthy warchief.
I have a question. How can the Horde or Alliance even fight with all the dead people? How many able bodied men and women have been lost? How can they still be able to operate an army when there’s a fucking conflict every year?
Felipe Luengas Because it's mostly Orcs and Humans who do the hard part of the job in every war the Horde and Alliance have to fight, and these two races breed a lot in lore, almost as much as Goblins who breed like rabbit.
One other reason is that that while there was continuous conflict for a few years the general population was not really hit up until Cata and MoP (Mainly the Horde because of the Civil War and NE because of Garosh campaign to take Ashenvale) In all the rest most of the fighting was done by a relatively small expedition force. But it is still showing which is the reason we are gathering allied races.
"Nothing good ever comes out of Silithus!" I love this little double-meaning callback to the earlier days of WoW, where Silithus was a big bag of bug shit.
Great vid as usual. Now that the Elfa and Beta (couldn't resist haha) are done and we're weeks away, I'm hoping Blizzard starts telling the full story in-game and not the way they've done so far.
At this point alternate Dreanor Orcs are pretty much confirmed there are so many hints for this in the alpha like customising options and voice lines like taunting, flirtingand joking.
I would like to note that Garrosh did nothing wrong during the invasion of Theramoor. A warning was issued so civvies could flee, and only those who fought were hurt or killed. It was actually tactical genius on Hellscream's part as it was a fine way to eliminate the Alliance's top commanders in one go. Think of the Iraq Shock and Awe which is more or less what happened with the bombing of Theramoore
You said, that you hope, that there is again a uprising within the horde, maybe against Sylvanas, but in my opinion, there really should be a disagreement or some leadership issues in the alliance, since they didn´t really have that so far. Maybe Anduin isn´t able to do what it takes to defeat the horde and needs to be replaced by someone more decisive. The alliance really seem to never do anything "morally" wrong, which I find unrealistic.
There is no honor in war. War is a terrible, dreadful and ugly thing. War grinds up soldiers and civilians. In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. Honor is a concept that is invented to try to justify the carnage in the battlefield. I am far from being a pacifist. There are times when war is the answer. But war should never be taken lightly. War will always be horrifying and it should be recognized as such. There is no honor in war, Saurfangs.
Given what little context there is for Sylvanas's and Saurfang's conversation I have to say that Sylvanas is not wrong. My opinion may change when we get the full story.
Ya know, I know this is a Saurfang video, but this just hit me now. They only way they can keep Sylvanas alive in the long term, is to have her abdicate the throne to either Baine or Saurfang, if not, forces within the horde aren't just going to buy her ticket to the hell she fears so much, but make sure she gets there.
they have, its to secure kalimdor for the horde and destroy the port there so Alliance cant get azerite from kalimdor to it or from EK to kalimdor, and to burn azerite the night elfs hold there.
Never noticed how Sylvanas and her bf just sit and silently brood at the table while everyone else is cheering... I can't wait to back Saurfang and take back the Horde :D
Yeah! We will finally end this faction conflict with the rise of the great and honourable Warchief Anduin Wrynn! Hey, they did say they would end the Horde if they had to wade into Horde Leadership issues again.
Guys what're you expecting they're corpses. They don't feel shit. It's not something new, undead were always like that. And Sylvanas was always a selfish character I don't understand the "hate Sylvanas" trend going on now that she is more on the spotlight. Since the defeat of the Lich King, her whole purpose was to stay alive no matter what. Sylvanas being warchief is more interesting for me than Saurfang. If Saurfang or Baine became the warchief it would be boring and we wouldn't get this expansion. See Vol'jin as an example. He didn't do shit after being warchief. Saurfang or Baine or those who're like them would just be another Vol'jin.
Emre Gürsoy She is no better than the Lich King. Plague, raising unwilling dead, and torturing her fellow Horde member races. She will answer for these crimes.
Nobbel, you had a goof! Saurfang and Broxigar were originally meant to be the Hans and Franz fight in BRF. They changed it during development because they realized that raiding against them would be impossible + unpopular.
Am I the only one who thinks since the Forsaken were the new guys to the Horde and one became warchief that it's only right that a goblin should have their time as warchief? I know they don't exactly line up with the overall Horde ideals of honor but I feel like the Horde could use a golden age where they over power the alliance through economic means then maybe an orc can take over again and use the economic power to over power the alliance through war?
Naah no pls, for sure economic strength would be a great boost but I'd rather have Baine or any other wise Warchief-material char (like Saurfang ofc) be the warchief. Maybe the gobs could play a big role with all this azerite being mined after all
watching that end ingame bit, blizz sure seem stead fast on painting the horde as bigger assholes then b 4, burn a hole city just to free a handful of people, seems a bit much. Alli player btw
So if there was an alternate Velen... how be there only one Archimonde? Also, just me who noticed Saurfang not being shown drinking in the cinematic? He raises his cup, camera goes to Baine and when it is back on Varok it isn't there anymore. Methinks his fangs don't allow him to move a cup to his lips so he just pours it in.
Dear Nobbel... Will you someday upload a continuation of there videos? For example are you going to upload a New episode for the story of sylvanas at the end of Bfa? I say that because it is a pity that Many stories remained unifinished in your channel
Is it just me who always notices when Saurfang says nothing good comes from sillithus and thinks that's blizzards way of subtly joking about how it was still a basically unfinished questing zone till a giant sword was shoved into it?
The picture before tree was to burn, that could be saurfang, aduin and alleria, not nathanos and sylvanas, again my speculation on who does on pic then just saurfang
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Torbjörn Lindholm talking in third person not healthy
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ALISTAIR DISAGREES WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT!
Koltira is not happy about this.
There is only ONE Saurfang in all the timelines, for his Badassery is so Big he trascends the simple concept of Multiverses. And of course, the one, the true, the original Saurfang, is ours. Be Proud, for you are part of the One True Timeline.
In the beginning, there was only Saurfang, but there was 2. They would have fought for millennia, had time been a thing back then, neither one overcoming the other's attack. However, one of the two Saurfangs finally landed a devastating blow that Cleaved the other in half, creating the universe and all we know. The remaining Saurfang gazed upon this universe, and saw that it was good. Out of fear of Cleaving this new universe simply by moving, Saurfang assumed the form of a mortal on Draenor, starting the existence of the Orcish race and teaching them to make shoulderpads 10x bigger than their heads.
Tromend he is worthy of the title of Warcheif.
But the title of Warchief is not worthy of Saurfang.
All Saurfangs transcend reality.
Multiverse could not handle more than one copy of each Saurfang.
So, he's fifth dimensional?
Makes sense.
It really takes me out of the immersion when I see these characters 9ft taller then everyone else haha.
Saurfang is one of my favorite characters, I’m glad he got his own cinematic he more then deserves it. Great lore vid as usual Nobbel.
During the Wrathgate event Blizz put Dranosh instead because Varok would just cleave the entire scourge all by himself thus leaving WotLK devoid of content
Joven Davston he got owned by some nelf archers
Syl almost got destroyed as well, which is why she went into Banshee.
Joven Davston
And the Lich King would immediately surrender
Every night before he goes to bed, the boogey man checks his closet for Varok Saurfang.
When Saurfang said he was injured in those tunnels, what he meant was his age caught up with him and he threw his back out from all the ass he had kicked, his enemies didn't actually lay a scratch on him.
Nyghtking he even used a bugs attack as an attempt of realigning his upper back, he has been enjoying reading steamy novels late at night or watch nobel videos and sometimes he gets a stiff neck and poor posture
Yea it was jam not blood spouting out from under his tabard.
That's what he actually meant, not that he was injured but that he had dropped his jam sandwich in the brawl.
No. He just made that exuse, because he would kill Garrosh in one hit and that wouldn't be good.
And yet he was bleeding, clearing showing that he was injured.
give us the story of nobbel87
TheramoreIsTheBomb oooh Yes pls
TheramoreIsTheBomb He used to post as a Jaina fanboy for a time on the EU version of the Blizzard story forums (just like you do on Mmo-champ, I think) but then the Blood Elf fans scared him away from there :(
Would thank
nobbel i would watch this in a heart beat. you are a fixture in alot of peoples lives man, you should do it.
Virgin european nerd... There, you got the story.
Varok Saurfang. Casually takes three arrows to the upper-body. Casually backhands Alliance royalty. Just wish he'd casually take over the Horde.
Ending it where it brought tears to my eyes, where Varok claims his son's body. I hated seeing that old orc cry. It tore at my heart.
The most emotional moment in all of Wrath, imho.
I still remember how Muradin almost committed suicide there.
cringe as fuck...
You know that Varok accidentally cleaved himself while killing all those mantids.
PandoraWolf actually he just wounded himself purposely to make the "fight" "even".
I really Hope Sylvanas or Saurfang make a Heroic Sacrifice for Azeroth, leaving the other for Warchief, like, we havr had a diferent warchiefe every xpac, its kinda Blahhh
Are you braindead? We have almost no one else left and you want ANOTHER warchief to die? Like 3 in a row? Can't the Horde have some political stability just for a change?
Bernardo Linhares Its an all Out war with the oposing faction, I am not Braindead, fuckoff
Hashirama Senju well we might want Anduin to die since Wrynns have been on that throne for far too long lets make him die a meaningless death maybe an asassination while asleep by a random goblin asassin from northshire.
Zappy boy zapping as he does.
God i love the subtitles in Nobbel's videos
Lmao, the subtitles for that entire sequence were great, thanks for pointing it out
i never noticed that before! Thanks man! :D
Did ya called me, mon.
Al hail Lord Saurfang, the mind controlled NPC that can solo all of Ogrimmar!!!!!!
I'm convinced Saurfang got himself captured on purpose. What better way to discuss his displeasure with Sylvanas than getting captured so he could speak to Anduin? He knew the Alliance wouldn't kill him. He's too smart to be caught off guard.
The Vol'Jin death cinematic... I cry every time.
Some trolls scream vengeance for Zul'Jin, I scream justice for Vol'Jin
Some trolls scream vengeance for Zul'Jin mon, I scream justice for Vol'Jin mon
I still believe to this date that Garrosh was changed or replaced when the Horde took air ships to Highlands in Cataclysm, there's no way someone changes his personality in one expansion.
Saurfang for Warchief! Make the Horde great again!!!!
Nolagamer He's too old now and also it seems he is going to talk with Anduin...and the Orcs wouldn't want a Warchief who talks with the Humans in the middle of the war. So the best orc options for Warchief are still Thrall or his son (although his son is still too young...) or Grommash from AU Draenor
The Horde is already great, you traitor!
Sylvanas is not my warchief
I disagree with this, The main reason people liked Thrall is he considered peace talks during wartime, unlike the last few we've had
#sylvanusnotmywarchief #varok4lyfe
if sylvanas actually raised an undead saurfang, she effectively would have brought herself into the same position arthas did by killing and raising her
Not by that much though ... Arthas killed 90% of the Elves first and did not grant Sylvanas free will. Also Saurfang is not in the right either, fighting to die a honorable death when your comrades are fighting to see another day is cowardice. This is a thing Brox himself realized during the war of the Ancients.
Sayantan Mondal well i'm curious what his responses here will be since sylvanas is the one to tell him to disregard casualties as long as her weapons are fine and then goes off on a tangent about how nobody should have to die honorably. and yes, i'm not saying she would be as bad as arthas, otherwise she would have gotten the garrosh treatment already but she knows the pain of being raised from undeath better than anyone, there's a good reason she wanted to kill herself once arthas was dead - she felt awful in this existence. her threatening people with this, with her knowing what this experience is like, threatening taking that free will from him.. if anyone she should know better than that!
She did that awhile ago already by frequently raising her victims, making her a massive hypocrit.
@Sayantan Mondal
"Arthas did not grant Sylvanas Free Will"
And judging by the Undead starting zones, the Forsaken's Free Will is also false. So...bullshit to your claim. Saurfang won't get Free Will if he's raised.
Also, Broxigar only fought for others cause the Legion was invading. Here, this is a war his WARCHIEF starts. So...ya can't question/detain his Honor there.
No one can raise Saurfang from the dead if he doesn't allow it.
Saurfang let us live. As if we could beat him 1v1 lol
"don't leave me behind, they will eat me" that was some of your finest funny. you never fail to make me lmao. no wonder fury loves playing with you.
By the end end of BfA, I'm really hoping to see Saurfang taking over as Warchief. Not because Sylvannas is killed or anything, but because she realizes that she has been following in Garrosh's footsteps too closely and steps down. If there is ever to be at least some form of peace between the Horde and Alliance, it's with Saurfang (or Baine) leading us.
I think Baine will become Warchief, He is the one giving the speech on the table I think Saurfang will be his right hand and councilor. The character development of Baine is very similar to Anduin, they both seek peace between factions they will be them who put an end to the war and focus on N'zoth and the void ones
I don't want peace tho. Peace is boring.
Peace between the Horde and the Alliance, war should be against the old gods and void lords.
Nah I want my Dwarf to take some heads, Varian was a lot better too.
wise words
After years of us ruling azeroth with saurfang the alliance finally got someone who can somewhat stand up to him.
THEY GOT T'PPARTOS
XD
T'Paartos!!!
The Horde has never ruled Azeroth, the Alliance does. They are ones correcting the mistakes the Horde makes, and who decides if the Horde deserves to continue existing. Remember the MoP ending cinematic?
Kenji 1987 Lies soothe the mind, don't they?
The alliance doesnt decide if the horde continues existing. Saurfang decides if the universe keeps existing
I love Saurfang. In the BoA cinematic when he gets shot up by arrows and charges forward while grabbing a Horde banner. So badass.
Wow. Saurfang lead an interesting life. I thought the Horde focused on survival. However Saurfang's honor brings a whole new side, something more like Allience. I don't expect orcs to ever join the humans in the allience. That will never happen. They will do that when Blackrock Mountain freezes over. I noticed something in the Battle for Azeroth cinematic. When Anduin dresses in plate armour, he looks just like a young Arthas. That is intriguing.
I listend to the book and I can't believe they used the same cinematic voices as the ingame also for the audio book. pretty crazy
Now I love Saurfang even more, and Tyrande managed to further disgust me with her absolute lack of consideration for him! >:( Amazing video as always, thank you.
Thanks Nobbel as always loved the video, and the refresher :)
3:56 she also played Durotan's involvement in the fall of Shatrath her whole argument as prosecutor was that ALL ORCS ARE EVIL BY DEFAULT and then Blizz wonders why lore fans are fed up with Tyrande
0 dislikes for the one of the greatest Orcs known
BURN THE HERETIC
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That little eye roll Sylvanas gives galywix always gets me no matter how many times I watch that cinematic! XD
No one likes Gallywix, they only tolerate him.
Please do a video on Baine Bloodhoof, no one really talks about him that much and it sucks because he's such a great character and I'm excited to see where blizzard take him in BFA.
Dam Tyrande , wanting to basically Saurfang to relive is nightmares once more. Just,why.
Goretian But Garrosh has nothing to do with the wrathgate. Like nobble said, Garrosh is on trial not the Lich King.
Do you even read my comment?
We have casaulties there, two villains - Lich King and Garrosh. Saurfang lost his son, as well as many fathers lost their sons because of Garrosh. And still in your opinion Tyrande is bad because she want to show him the same pain that other people feel because not Lich King but Garrosh? Is it bad? But what Saurfang want to do? Duel with him and he will be free if he win, and maybe because of this he again learn something about honor. Really the one who is bad is Tyrande who want him punished, not Saurfang who give Garrosh even shadow of hope to be forgiven if he win in fight against him? What is this? Another good character like Saurfang killed by Garrosh and he MAYBE will learn something? Others in his opinion do not have voice in this? Or maybe Lich King also deserve second chance because he was human paladin once? And thats why I love WoW lore done by Blizzard - they can split players to have own views even if in reality the answer is obvious. Good job Blizzard.
But that logic is quite frankly bullshit. Can you imagine if they applied that in the real world? Yes lady we will now show you once again the horrors a serial killer did to your son just so you can essentially be in the right mood to judge this serial killer. That logic is insane. What Tyrande did was actually against the law. It's called witness tampering. She should have been kicked off the case there and then for even suggesting it, not just blusing.
I think after recent developments, this deserves a part 3 ^^
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Whoever writes the subtitles needs a medal :P
looking forward to part 3 now the new stuff is out. Can't wait for you to rationalise Saurfang betraying his own honour code and his warchief
Nobbel's guesses at the future are always so much more detailed and nuanced then what actually happens.
Wooooooo! Early again lmao. Love you Nobbel! Keep up the good work :D
I feel like Garros became warchief too early and knew little discipline because of that.
I hope Varok is the next Warchief, he’s a good leader
Anybody realize how diffrent the acts of Krom'gar and Garrosh are? Garrosh punished Krom'gar for bombing a neutral grove that helf no threats and wasn't even fighting back. Theramore had only soldiers in it since it was evacuated, was Alliance controled (therefore and enemy to the Horde) and was the aggressor since theyr moved deeper into Horde lands and planed to attack multiple Horde villages.
^This.
While nuking Theramore was a bit of a dick move, it did make tactical sense, it wasn't aimed at any non-combatants, and the Alliance was very much expecting and prepared for an attack from the Horde.
Krom'gar was basically just anakining kids for the evulz.
Lmao, how the hell did you know no civilians died in the bombing? Or how would the horde know they would have all been evacuated in time? Rewriting lore to make it seem like the horde are less bad guys.
Carrot ermm...the Focusing Iris was stolen from a neutral faction. That’s pretty dishonorable and Garrosh knew it which is why he didn’t tell Lor’themar and Baine and Vol’jin about his plans before he carried them out. Also he dishonored the Horde soldiers. He brought us out there to Dustwallow Marsh and then we just stood there as the city blew up. We came to fight, not watch him wave his dick.
Read the book maybe before accusing me of "rewriting lore"?
Blaze
Actually it is well known, and it was known and planned by Garrosh. He knew Baine would warn Jaina of an attack against Theramore, and as he forsaw, Jaina evacuated the civilians and filled the city with the best combatants she was able to gather.including, for example, Rhonin.
When they were locked in battle with the Horde armies he had the retreat sounded, and set off the mana bomb. That was a dishonorable dick move, but he was well aware that everyone were fighters. He planned that to kill them all at once, not to spare civilians, of course, but nevertheless he knew
Just rewatched part1 while waiting for this upload!
A mighty Orc warrior, who has seen countless years of war, loses to a Gnome
Saurfang doesnt loose he gets so bored he lets the gnome win.
Another great story! Thanks again.
I'm an Alliance player and I get goose pumps when I hear Sylvanas scream "FOR THE HORDE"
I preferred Varok's original headpiece. The new one moves around too much. Must be awfully inconvenient in combat. *pushes up glasses*
I would be fine with it, if it wasn't for the hinge - he has accidently stuck a bear trap to his head
I agree I hope Sylvanas gets good character development and develops more as the war chief and within the horde I'd hate to see her character thrown out now.
Great job, as usual!
Nobbel alternate sourfang was the only reson we won in wod majoirly of the iron horde were fighting him
I personally think it would be really cool to see the undead break from the horde, and become their own faction amidst the other two, it seems they have their own agenda and although we’ve had them in the horde since the beginning, lore wise it seems that would be the route for them to take. And having Varok take over as warchief would be a welcomed site. Anybody akin to Broxigar would be a worthy warchief.
I have a question.
How can the Horde or Alliance even fight with all the dead people? How many able bodied men and women have been lost? How can they still be able to operate an army when there’s a fucking conflict every year?
Felipe Luengas Because it's mostly Orcs and Humans who do the hard part of the job in every war the Horde and Alliance have to fight, and these two races breed a lot in lore, almost as much as Goblins who breed like rabbit.
One other reason is that that while there was continuous conflict for a few years the general population was not really hit up until Cata and MoP (Mainly the Horde because of the Civil War and NE because of Garosh campaign to take Ashenvale)
In all the rest most of the fighting was done by a relatively small expedition force.
But it is still showing which is the reason we are gathering allied races.
Saurfang for Warchief.
Tarinare Windstalker Why does your name sound like an elf's who does ERP
"Nothing good ever comes out of Silithus!"
I love this little double-meaning callback to the earlier days of WoW, where Silithus was a big bag of bug shit.
I chuckled when I heard him say that.
Man felt like his heart was going to explode when he heard silithus
gotta love how the talking animation of new saurfang model at 2:00 doesn't fit properly so his hands flail around in unnatural angles
Great vid as usual. Now that the Elfa and Beta (couldn't resist haha) are done and we're weeks away, I'm hoping Blizzard starts telling the full story in-game and not the way they've done so far.
Varock Saurfang doesn’t flush the toilet, he scares the shit out of it.
The new datamined information practically squashed all the theories about Draenor orcs joining the Alliance. They'll be Horde allied race for sure.
At this point alternate Dreanor Orcs are pretty much confirmed there are so many hints for this in the alpha like customising options and voice lines like taunting, flirtingand joking.
this is so much better with captions on.
Thanks for the video.
This was the second time that Sylvanas had been denied her revenge, and with this backlash she's received, it's likely to become a running gag.
I would like to note that Garrosh did nothing wrong during the invasion of Theramoor. A warning was issued so civvies could flee, and only those who fought were hurt or killed. It was actually tactical genius on Hellscream's part as it was a fine way to eliminate the Alliance's top commanders in one go. Think of the Iraq Shock and Awe which is more or less what happened with the bombing of Theramoore
You said, that you hope, that there is again a uprising within the horde, maybe against Sylvanas, but in my opinion, there really should be a disagreement or some leadership issues in the alliance, since they didn´t really have that so far. Maybe Anduin isn´t able to do what it takes to defeat the horde and needs to be replaced by someone more decisive. The alliance really seem to never do anything "morally" wrong, which I find unrealistic.
7:29 Varok Saurfang vs Varok Saurfang would've been epic, but 2 Varok Saurfang vs the Iron Horde would've been a slaughter.
There is no honor in war. War is a terrible, dreadful and ugly thing. War grinds up soldiers and civilians. In the battlefield, there is no place for hope. What lies there is only cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. Honor is a concept that is invented to try to justify the carnage in the battlefield.
I am far from being a pacifist. There are times when war is the answer. But war should never be taken lightly. War will always be horrifying and it should be recognized as such. There is no honor in war, Saurfangs.
The important thing is that Rok'han is finally getting attention.
Given what little context there is for Sylvanas's and Saurfang's conversation I have to say that Sylvanas is not wrong. My opinion may change when we get the full story.
Ya know, I know this is a Saurfang video, but this just hit me now. They only way they can keep Sylvanas alive in the long term, is to have her abdicate the throne to either Baine or Saurfang, if not, forces within the horde aren't just going to buy her ticket to the hell she fears so much, but make sure she gets there.
Saurfangs are so badass they transcend reality. It was confirmed during WoD.
The horde will burn Teldrassil? ... finally, that place's boring to even AFK on.
I'll have to say no. Because as of now they have no motivation to do so.
they have, its to secure kalimdor for the horde and destroy the port there so Alliance cant get azerite from kalimdor to it or from EK to kalimdor, and to burn azerite the night elfs hold there.
BUT DUDE WHAT ABOUT THAT TEMPLE OF THE MOON SOUNDTRACK NO
the fact you have to duel Varok for the warrior arms hidden skin and not die should be a feat.
23:17 That soldier tried so hard. It takes a lot of balls to run head on into a Saurfang.
oh you just had to add the BFA cinematic in the video, i tear up everytime i hear ''FOR THE HORDE''
I like to think Saurfang held up Sargeras' hand from the world when we see him leaning on it.
Or that Saurfang let Sargeras have the first strike.
Never noticed how Sylvanas and her bf just sit and silently brood at the table while everyone else is cheering...
I can't wait to back Saurfang and take back the Horde :D
First Name Death for the Dark Lady! For the Horde!
Yeah! We will finally end this faction conflict with the rise of the great and honourable Warchief Anduin Wrynn! Hey, they did say they would end the Horde if they had to wade into Horde Leadership issues again.
Once Sylvanas and her lapdog gets RKO'd right the fuck out of office i'll definitely play horde again.
Guys what're you expecting they're corpses. They don't feel shit. It's not something new, undead were always like that. And Sylvanas was always a selfish character I don't understand the "hate Sylvanas" trend going on now that she is more on the spotlight. Since the defeat of the Lich King, her whole purpose was to stay alive no matter what. Sylvanas being warchief is more interesting for me than Saurfang. If Saurfang or Baine became the warchief it would be boring and we wouldn't get this expansion. See Vol'jin as an example. He didn't do shit after being warchief. Saurfang or Baine or those who're like them would just be another Vol'jin.
Emre Gürsoy She is no better than the Lich King. Plague, raising unwilling dead, and torturing her fellow Horde member races. She will answer for these crimes.
Nobbel, you had a goof!
Saurfang and Broxigar were originally meant to be the Hans and Franz fight in BRF. They changed it during development because they realized that raiding against them would be impossible + unpopular.
Saurfang missed only once with his Arcanite Reaper. That is how the Thousand Needles came to be. :)
Driven here by the new WoW cinematic - "Old Soldier" - SAURFANG FOR WARCHIEF!!! :)
Does anyone know the name of the swords he uses at 2:34? I cant seem to locate them. Thanks
Thank you. I can have happy dreams now.
Am I the only one who thinks since the Forsaken were the new guys to the Horde and one became warchief that it's only right that a goblin should have their time as warchief? I know they don't exactly line up with the overall Horde ideals of honor but I feel like the Horde could use a golden age where they over power the alliance through economic means then maybe an orc can take over again and use the economic power to over power the alliance through war?
Naah no pls, for sure economic strength would be a great boost but I'd rather have Baine or any other wise Warchief-material char (like Saurfang ofc) be the warchief. Maybe the gobs could play a big role with all this azerite being mined after all
Theremore was actually at the tail end of Cataclysm, it just was available to play again in MoP.
I loved it. Make more . I like to listen to it well I play wow
I hope saurfang can stop sylvanis from repeating past mistakes of warchiefs.
Needs a part 3 now I think mate, even if it is a short one
Victory for Sylvanas!
Amen!!! Lets just hope they dont turn her in another Garrosh...
watching that end ingame bit, blizz sure seem stead fast on painting the horde as bigger assholes then b 4, burn a hole city just to free a handful of people, seems a bit much. Alli player btw
So if there was an alternate Velen... how be there only one Archimonde?
Also, just me who noticed Saurfang not being shown drinking in the cinematic? He raises his cup, camera goes to Baine and when it is back on Varok it isn't there anymore.
Methinks his fangs don't allow him to move a cup to his lips so he just pours it in.
WOWOWOWOW Where can I see THIS scene 1:25? I never ran into it and I ran the heck out of the Darkspear Rebellion quest
Nice job as Usual nobbel!
For a people living by the Lok'tar Ogar (victory or death) philosophy, orcs do get captured a lot...
I will never not be confused by all these writer's insistence on making Tyrande, the ten+thousand year old Night Elf look like an idiot.
As an alliance player I always respected saurfang and nazgrim as honorable enemies.
Saurfang for warchief
The subtitles are gold
What I want to know, is what the hell Azerite actually does. It’s powerful, okay but with what? Machines? Weapons? Life itself?
All of the above
Tigerstorm 6
Bombs.
It's like nuclear energy
It's FF7 lore all over.
Gul dens voices @everything
The orcs don't really belong anymore in the Horde there is no honor in the horde anymore in the last 3 expansions, they need to fix it
Dear Nobbel... Will you someday upload a continuation of there videos? For example are you going to upload a New episode for the story of sylvanas at the end of Bfa? I say that because it is a pity that Many stories remained unifinished in your channel
Is it just me who always notices when Saurfang says nothing good comes from sillithus and thinks that's blizzards way of subtly joking about how it was still a basically unfinished questing zone till a giant sword was shoved into it?
Watching Anduin getting shit mixed like a little bitch by Saurfang was the best part of the cinematic
The picture before tree was to burn, that could be saurfang, aduin and alleria, not nathanos and sylvanas, again my speculation on who does on pic then just saurfang