Talking Differences in Judo and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu: Teaching our Kids to NOT TURTLE UP! - Kama Talk

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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @sdjohnston67
    @sdjohnston67 5 лет назад +8

    It's really great what you all are doing there in TX. I hope your influence spreads!

  • @kevionrogers2605
    @kevionrogers2605 5 лет назад +1

    Teaching the Kata as book ends of each set of the gokyo gives some extra content, variety of movement pattern, and formality; for instance Seiryoku Zenyo Kokumin Taaiku then Ikkyo then Ju no Kata.

  • @watch-me-fail
    @watch-me-fail 5 лет назад +6

    Turtling is such a bad habit. I practice Judo and GJJ and I feel turtling habits will appear in real life situations of self defense and won’t be good. I think putting an opponent in half guard in Judo is much better. When I end up in judo scramble and end up on all fours I quickly turn and slip into half guard.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +4

      full guard is better. Randy Couture was the first to show the vulnerabilities of half guard. i remember once going to half guard (instinctively) once back in '90. GM Relson yelled at me for doing that, lol. i didn't learn "half guard" until about 6-7 years later. haha.

    • @pizzulo81
      @pizzulo81 5 лет назад +3

      I've only been shown from my teacher turtle position when he was showing me what most people will do in a self defense situation when you have mount and you hit someone in the face. I was purposely taught to mount with one knee on the ground and one knee up (that foot on the ground) after you punch the opponent and disconnect from them so it encourages them to go to turtle and give you their back. Then you can seatbelt, rnc, giftwrap, etc.

  • @taekwondomaster4609
    @taekwondomaster4609 5 лет назад +2

    All martial arts is about humility, respect, discipline, responsibility, and other virtues. Martial arts is also about creating strong communities as well. Martial arts and discipline are synonymous. Peace, love, and blessings from Seaside, California.

    • @socalbeachieboy6135
      @socalbeachieboy6135 5 лет назад +3

      Judo doesnt mean bow. It means gentle way

    • @Daniel-yo5es
      @Daniel-yo5es 5 лет назад +1

      martial arts is about what you make it... not what YOU decide it will be... I take bjj in America, and I take it for 17 years for fitness... not as a religion.

  • @thanos_jitsu2676
    @thanos_jitsu2676 5 лет назад +1

    What Judo throws are recommended in a street/self defense situation?Could you name some of these?For example, some people are saying that the Judo throws which expose our back to the attacker (like seoi nage) must be avoided because in the case of a bad execution of these techniques, the attacker can apply a choke (for example rear naked choke).Thank you.

    • @takidabossen
      @takidabossen 5 лет назад +1

      if you somehow manage to make a bad execution you can always switch to another takedown. I dont think street fighters will have time to think about choking you tbh.

  • @exxeze4502
    @exxeze4502 5 лет назад +3

    Judo / jujitsu is Japanese, all Japanese people in Japan bow for everything it's just the common hello goodbye greetings for respect. Western culture doesn't have bowing so it's not necessary in any Japanese martial arts if you're not in Japan. But when in Rome... But only traditional martial arts schools may care just like the Brazilian schools don't teach in Portuguese but have a few moves named in Portuguese right. Along with the. Brazilian Jujitsu schools that only teach ground fighting which is the first thing every jujitsu students learn then learn stand up fighting ( punching kicking, open hand close hand fingers strikes, holds escapes, throws and the gymnastic jumping, all of which no Brazilians have ever thought only some of the Gracies do still teach some stand up fighting and throws. But Real jujitsu is everything that used to be taught in judo except in jujitsu the goal was to make the bare body the weopen to be able to fight anyone any size without a weopen against anyone who was armed with body armor. And had to learn every type of weopen used. So judo was taught to keep traditional jujitsu without the weopens and body conditioning that every jujitsu school requires. So Brazilian Jujitsu is just the first part of a complete jujitsu system. Because the guy who taught them only stayed there a few years had he stayed longer than the Brazilian schools would be teaching something that looked like old school Judo. Of which is why it was the most popular martial arts in the world which is why it became a huge sport around the world. I'm sure that the Gracies are the only ones who know the old school stand up fighting and body conditioning. I've seen the old footage of them fighting just stand up. But with all sports to make it safe and have many contests the tournaments took out the punches kicks leaving only the rest. Anyone who learned judo today wouldn't recognise the original judo taught. Along with those who studied Brazilian Jujitsu in the U.S. in 80s And those who study at sports schools today. But for those who know the very real difference only seeing it can never compair to being exposed to it. Just as Rickson has tried to do with his. JJF thing and your school does. But only people who really know can possibly understand there's a huge difference in all of those extremely difficult to learn systems and methods of teaching.

    • @Daniel-yo5es
      @Daniel-yo5es 5 лет назад +1

      the fact that you spell it jujitsu tells me you don't know what the fuck you are talking about... then, the fact that you think modern bjj or jiu jitsu has anything in common with Japanese jujutsu... tells me, you don't know the fuck you are talking about... finally, I have seen more people hurt.. and hurt worse in bjj tournies and practice than any tma school.... in short... you are full of shit... and you are just jealous af of bjj people. good day sir.

    • @ziapsp4167
      @ziapsp4167 5 лет назад

      @ Daniel ..sure as f#ck based on his wise infinity blah blah....he hasn’t grappled a day in his life.
      Oss..

  • @RobertoBren
    @RobertoBren 5 лет назад +1

    At 28 seconds "Jiu-Jitsu is Brazillian"??? BJJ is Brazillian. Jiu-Jitsu, Ju-Jitsu, Ju-Jutsu etc. All originated in Japan.
    Good video, lots of food for thought. 👍

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +2

      lol. let's split hairs. "Jiu-Jitsu" IS Brazilian. "jujitsu" or "jujutsu" is Japanese.

  • @IronMartialArts
    @IronMartialArts 5 лет назад +4

    Turtle isn’t any good for self defense but neither is pulling guard address that problem 1st.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад +4

      Turtle is worse

    • @RicoMnc
      @RicoMnc 5 лет назад +1

      In our self-defense focused training we are taught to go to guard when it is a better place than where we were, then to work from there to an even better place that lets us go home safely. We are not taught to focus on finishing a self-defense fight in guard for many reasons.
      The scenario is usually described as you have been knocked to the ground by an aggressive attacker, by surprise or something just didn't work for you the way you wanted and you ended up there, so you use guard to establish some control and work your way out.
      Keep in mind this is a fundamental grappling class at a school that is not primarily a Jiu-Jitsu school, but teaches some JJ skills and concepts in a self-defense focused curriculum. There are other classes that teach some more advanced techniques.

    • @duncansutherland47
      @duncansutherland47 5 лет назад +2

      There is certainly a “street” way to pull guard. It’s not the same as pulling guard in competition. It’s not the only “go to” for self defense of course but in the proper situation it is appropriate.

    • @KamaJiuJitsu
      @KamaJiuJitsu  5 лет назад

      so there are times when it's ok to do things the "wrong" way in training?

    • @RicoMnc
      @RicoMnc 5 лет назад +2

      @@KamaJiuJitsu I'm not familiar with BJJ competition. Is it viable to train solely for self defense in BJJ and still maintain viable competition skills?
      I'm thinking about from guard specifically. Something ideal for competition may not be ideal for a self defense situation, and visa-versa.

  • @darylfields
    @darylfields 4 года назад +2

    Judo gets no respect from bjj community and that's freaking sad

    • @JEFFMAN90
      @JEFFMAN90 2 месяца назад +1

      I think its the opposite

    • @darylfields
      @darylfields 2 месяца назад

      @@JEFFMAN90 🤔🤔🤔

    • @JEFFMAN90
      @JEFFMAN90 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@darylfields Am I wrong though?? I see a lot more comments from butt hurt Judokas talking shit and hating on BJJ. I rarely see any BJJ practitioner who talk shit about Judo.

    • @darylfields
      @darylfields 2 месяца назад

      @@JEFFMAN90 It's usually certain people on RUclips or social media feeding people a false narrative bbj is superpower and that judo doesn't work unless you have on a coat or jacket

  • @conanthebarbarian7223
    @conanthebarbarian7223 5 лет назад +3

    Turtle is not ideal on the street or mma

    • @zedek_
      @zedek_ 5 лет назад +5

      Yes and no. Just sitting in turtle is not ideal, but you see notable wrestlers in the UFC _briefly_ go to turtle, and explode out, all the time. It's the first step to getting back to your feet and initiating a scramble.
      If you're not accustomed to wrestling techniques, you're not going to recognize them; the same way a laymen doesn't understand what is going on in a BJJ match.
      Then again, a Judoka doesn't really care about standing right-the-fuck-up, so perhaps some criticism of the training methodology is merited.