Royce Gracie Believes Jiu-Jitsu Competitions Don't Help With Self Defense
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- Опубликовано: 16 фев 2016
- After the Bellator 149 press conference, MMA pioneer Royce Gracie says jiu-jitsu competitions don't help with any kind of real self defense fighting needs.
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This is why I like the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu style, they teach the combative and street defense FIRST, and then focus on sport competitions later.
"I'm sorry, honey, this guy is not in my division..." bruh...
Hespect.
hespectch
😂😂😂🎯
Same question 30 different ways. That's what happens when you're fishing for a specific answer.
Omar Vazquez thats what happens here. But he answers so calm and good again and again the way he wants too.
No, that's what happens when SOMEONE dodging questions.
Lol dodging questions? He literally gave a straight answer. Royce is not the type of person who needs to dodge questions or answer according to some agenda. It’s easy, he believes Jiu-Jitsu is for self defense. How can he be more clear?
Luke just couldn't accept his answers. It's like he expected Royce to gush over the current state of BJJ but Royce is saying what Rickson has been saying about Berimbolo, 50/50, X guard..... "If it doesn't work in a fight, it doesn't work."
Did this guy just spend 5 1/2 minutes asking a legend the same question over and over again?? WTF?
+David Duarte well he never answered the question :)
etr news When that happens an interviewer needs to just let it go!
+David Duarte If you would be punched in a head and choked so many times, I wonder how fast you would understand questions :)
+David Duarte Calm down it was just fine.
He did not like the answer.
Finally, someone who speaks honestly about martial arts and who better to say that than Royce Gracie himself.
Royce is totaly right. Great teacher.
Funny. Many martial artist in other arts have said this exact same thing and BJJ keyboard warriors attack them in the comments. Royce says it and no one argues. 🧐
Bingo
I wish Royce Gracie had more affiliate schools. I like his answer because BJJ is now a sport and there are very few self defense BJJ schools or instructors teaching self defense. Now BJJ is just inventing more moves for sport but not for self defense.
Go to fight to win. Gracie jiu jitsu. Steve hall 7th under Royce Gracie...Royce shows up twice a year to roll with us.
This truth has not reached millions of people who are completely delusional about their abilities in their sport and the limits of their sport in the bigger picture of realistic fighting.
He is 100% right re: sport Jiu jitsu. If it won't work in a reality based scenario (street fight) it is not worth it. Hate to see jiu jitsu go the way of other martial arts where competition takes precedent over self defense. Someone could be a trophy winning black belt champion, without self defense aspect it's all useless if not in a contest scenario.
lol. So you think you could beat up a "sport" bjj black belt? good luck.
@@ExtremeBirding Look jiu jitsu fan.. bjj is terribe for street alterations where you dont know if knives and multiple attackers are a factor. Sone of us actually cone from bad neighbourhoods and you do NOT want to be rolling around on the floor
@@kazzykaioken8873 forget other people. If you are in a one-on-one situation, do you think that someone with no grappling experience is going to be a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt if the fight gets on the ground or if grappling is involved?
Love Royce he’s so respectful to everybody and all martial arts
He just acts like this in front of the cameras he is an ass hole trust me.
Agree with Royce. Promotion of ranks in martial arts should be based on proficiency in performing the techniques and ability to teach the techniques. Like they have always been. Not on how well you fare against other trained practitioners in competition.
An excellent case for why one should study Japanese jiu jitsu for self-defense. We not only train from punches, kicks and grabs, but from weapons and multiple attackers as well. A lot of people discredit our art because we don't "go live." Please understand that the techniques of Japanese jiu jitsu are designed to cripple or kill someone, not to win points in a match. We can't apply the maneuvers at full force because our training partners would be seriously injured or killed.
the main multiple-attacker-issue is when the BJJ guy has his first opp down, and the 2d opp kicks the bjj guy in the head, or whatever he wants-- rather difficult to fit THAT into training, or competition
There is no such as "Japanese Jiu Jitsu". You practise a mixture of Aikido and Judo which is unrelated to anything practised in Japan. Go to Japan and look for "Japanese Jiu Jitsu". You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
He exaggerated to make a point, competitions sure are better than nothing but the focus should be on preparing for street fights, not for competition.
Bruce Lee was living this way of thinking 50 years ago while Chuck went for points. Which one was ahead in their thinking about real combat? Royce and rickson both confirm Bruce Lee's philosophy. Thanks.
Except Chuck Norris is a legit BJJ black belt.
@@nessst.pierre2396 - So? Many years later. At the time, GJJ or BJJ wasn't widely known and I'm sure Bruce Lee would've taken a liking to it as Chuck. Also, Japanese Jujitsu is just as dangerous if not more so than BJJ/GJJ.
Now go on now and go play with yourself and make sure you wash your hands.
Royce says everything like a quote lol
Royce is correct.
A perfect example of this is what happened to judo. Olympic sport judo and the art of judo are two different things.
And judo still much better than bjj in real life situations.
@@Todo_fighting fr
Royce probably teach his students to shoot guns and knife stabbing. But he have a point.
All around self defense training I guess
I agree with Royce Gracie 100%!
been saying this for years sport and street different like night and day
but, what about BJJ-selfdef vs multiple, armed opps
Barry Smith name something useful against multiple attackers
@@marcomonaldi9058 they are(barry) just making excuses for failing on the ground 😂😂
@@aptcmpasion you gotta say, "I'm sorry honey, I'm not trained for this"
Luke is one of the worst mma interviewers around man, I love his podcast but fighters always looked so annoyed being there
+John Berry I agree, he is genuinely bad at interviewing
+codethirteen Luke has to continuously elaborate on his questioning because the fighters have a hard time understanding what he's articulating. His mannerisms and timing are an issue as well, like I said Luke is incredibly insightful on his podcast & MMA beat but his interviewing skills are horrid
Nah I think Luke asks better questions than the usual reporter, so that catches them off guard.
Luke's "problem" is that he asks intelligent, nuanced questions. Other than that, the only problems I see here is a possible language barrier, and an interviewee who gives short answers.
+Sal Rodriguez I disagree mate so whatever, I'll be skipping his bellator coverage
This is such a weird & awkward interview. But for some reason I'm enjoying it hahah
Balanced Warrior MMA & Karate, LLC supports Royce Gracie! Real life self-defense & martial arts are not for competitions! Competitions disrespect what martial arts was designed to do which is Defend your self!
This interviewer is missing the point and Royce is spot on!
Beautiful what he said about wanting to watch his kids grow
WORDS OF WISDOM !!!! If you have a true BLUE BELT...it should be in street self defense. Then you should be free to do competition if you choose to.
You have come to hear the words of a warrior who's only interested in defending himself in a life or death situation. This homie is not looking for points. He's looking for survival.
What Royce says is so true, because of competition now Karate is one of the worst martial arts in the world.
True. Daido Juku Karate is the only exception.
The interviewer tried his hardest to spin his own narrative - but failed.
Great perspective!
Now the member of the founder's family says sport bjj is no good for self defence, other members of the same family have said this yet the fan boys still will not accept it. I like bjj, i practice it it is great stuff to learn, love the drills, but its not for street on its own
Mulberry2000 Mix with boxing or muy thai
I;ve been saying this since a long time now. I did BJJ (not the sport version) and Wing Chun, it was much different compared to what I see on RUclips. A friend of mine does JJ and he competes a lot in JJ tournaments. I've seen many of his videos but there is always some gap open left over for the other guy to hit him. The guy doesn't know any striking arts if he really entered a real fight with that mindset he would get beaten up badly. Most BJJ/MMA fanboys are teenagers who think they're invincible and even believe that a MMA fight is like a real one or close as it can get.
if you get a purple belt in BJJ and train Muay Thai for a year, you will be more than ready for a street fight
It's a matter of opinion, depends on your personal circumstances. I train under Royce and the lessons we do focus on street self defence, whereas sport focus on it for points. We do fight simulation etc.
Street BJJ is more effective than sport BJJ because of the differences in training. One prepares for a street fight, the other does not.
Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is the street BJJ. Royce wasn't using sport BJJ in his UFC fights, he was using what his father taught him, i.e. "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu".
I'm surprised he didn't start with "I'm a product of my father's work." lmao
🤣🤣🤣
he has interesting perspective on fighting and jiu-jitsu
+behdabra He has a stupid perspective, sorry. The man has skill and he made history; but, obviously he's not that bright.
+behdabra he sees it more like "Can I use this martial art as a tool of self defense against someone who is larger than myself?" Instead of how most UFC fighters use martial arts to beat opponents at their size.
***** He admits that even in the context of using BJJ for self defence purposes training is required to optimize ones skill. This is an intuitive statement; however, equally intuitive is the concept that competing allows one to further optimize their skill.
Michael Glenn You don’t get that you’re training to deal with someone who is fighting using the same mindset and techniques as you. A random attacker will do things that you don’t train for in competition grappling. You may get away with it, but a 5”2’ girl who weighs 100lbs being attacked by a 45 year old 240lb 5”9’ trucker in full rage will be destroyed. I hope it brings you comfort that you get to compete with guys that are your weight and belt class. It won’t help our petite 25 year old being pummelled by a crazy rageaholoc.
That's the only perspective of jiujitsu. All his brothers think the same way. Only the other side of the family changed it to sport bjj by discarding aspects of jiujitsu
Royce is the type to give you answer that requires no splitting hairs. He's coming from a deeper viewpoint than all this prize fighting, which most people seem to forget isn't what martial arts is all about.
To sum it up only learn martial art styles that were only created for fighting or self defence not for competing
Almost every traditional martial art is now more sport than anything else... so I get it as "modern combat systems that the army is learning".
Hes technically correct but his whole family is guilty of doing that. It baffles me there are so many Jiu-jitsu schools but very few teach Wrestling, boxing, judo, Kick-Boxing.
why his whole family?
Rocye basically said the same thing over and over again. Luke wasn't getting it
Roberto Villanueva lol
Gracie Wants 2 Choke Luke Out Can See It In His Eyes
You are right when we become old bjj selfdefence will help us.I was a champion but now becoming old without training for competition we must be more intelligent.
Luke asked the same question like 20 different ways
That's so true man. I haven't seen it in BJJ because i have not done yet but i have seen it in Judo and especially in Taekwondo. In the old days if you knew good Taekwondo you could annihilate anyone untrained. Now with this point system the fighters just try to make quick week moves to take points and when the real fight comes they do not know what to do.
taekwondo is not material arts,taekwondo have never been used in warfare in history.taekwondo is sports,made by karate practicer.
juJutsu, the predecessor of judo, was actually used in war.
@@novrinkov0053 - Hush up weenie. There's TKD for self defense and then there's TKD for sport.
Well said David
Competition is good for endurance and nerves which means it's good for self defense to a degree
Royce is awesome. He was my instructor in 95.
I totally agree here what Royce say martial arts is for self defense not points or competition
I don't like jiu jitsu but I enjoy hearing Royces knowledge
I get why Luke kept asking the same question in different ways over and over BUT he failed to listen the wise words of the Great Royce Gracie. JJS is just a minimal part of self defense integrated into MMA sadly or not you need more than JJS in MMA to be at the top within the competition.Luke being in the presence of such a great master such an honor, regardless thanks for the interview 👍🏻👊
Well said
He is correct totally
Competitions are sport... I never once thought they would help me with self defense, we have competition to test ourselves against people of our level, people on the street require a different approach but I can still apply things I use in competition on the street.
My favorite responses were, "martial arts is not for competitions", "I just want to see my children grow."
He’s telling the truth.
He gave great responses, and you pressure him to answer your narrow question. Luke. Love ya, but come on man
Who can defend themselves better, someone who trains one year of MMA or the same person who trains one year of Gracie Jiujitsu?
I believe the jiujitsu is better for self defence, but in a one on one fight with rules and weight classes MMA is better……this is all the more true if you are a smaller guy, a women, a child or an elderly person.
If you train MMA for self defence you leave yourself vulnerable to chance punches, you allow your assailant time to produce and use a weapon and you fail to train for weapons attacks. MMA is fantastic, but I believe it is still inferior for self defence unless you are some sort of Francis Ngannou or something.
It’s not that competition is bad for bjj it’s that most of the most prominent ones have to many rules and have gotten soft. The future for bjj competition should include strikes Eddie bravo has a good one called combat bjj
He's right. Sport BJJ students can get to black belt without ever having a punch or headlock put on them.
"I'm against point competition" Maybe you'd prefer Eddie Bravo invitational more to your liking?
NAGA2086 What do you mean?
How good eddie bravo is irrelevant.
Royce Gracie looks in shape I know the criticism to towards this fight but I'm looking foward to it
+420DROOPS21 He is in shape,but he´s a 50 something in shape, that´s the problem. Why fight now, instead of teaching his grand children?
+Onyx Soul he can teach his gchildeen like he has been after the fight it's not like he is going to lose knowledge from fighting shamrock
+Onyx Soul* grand children
+Onyx Soul Royce is 49, Ken just turned 52.
420DROOPS21
We agree on that for sure, Shamrock will be submitted, like 95% sure,he´s got a punchers chance and only in the first seconds of the fight.And as long as they´re fighting other pop´s i guess it´s ok, ´cause i really don´t wanna see any of these veterans getting hurt way past their prime. And these 2 like´em or not, they are legends.
language barrier aside he is correct. competition does very little to help in a self defense situation. In fact you are probably in more danger training for competition. than if you never trained at all. I know this will upset some people. I know years of actually using aikido /jujitsu in real situations as part of my job will mean nothing. as I have never wrested muscly men in pants with a ref to regulate what happens. If some of you can see past your steroid fueled egos . you will realise the truth of it. hit the floor in a real situation involving one or more combatants you will get stomped all over. put a weapon in the mix good night sweet heart. but hey what would I know.
Ian Moody actually they end up kicking their friend you're in the fight with. After the second or third guy they come to their senses. At least that's how it worked for me(per 7 street altercations 1998- 2018). But I understand what you're saying. You are going to get hit, and stabbed if there is a knife. But that's what the Aikido is for.
I get that no one should jump to using what they learn in sport jiu jitsu in a 1v2, but I just don't understand what you mean when you say that "you are in more danger training for competition than if you never trained at all", as well as if you "hit the floor in a real situation involving...one...combatant."
How can a trained person *not* prevail against an untrained, lone combatant?
Are you *not* of the opinion that most adult men fight like overgrown toddlers, with arm flailing for strikes and with directionless shoving for clinch grappling? The person who competes is also accustomed to being pressured with some degree of both striking and grappling pressure. A person who is untrained should find the first signs of pain unfamiliar and panic-inducing, I'd think.
Fascinated by your alternate perspective, here.
I completely agree with Royce.
So true.
Brilliant
the biggest sacrifice of a sensei who is also a father..to not be able to watch their kids grow.
People could really learn from these guys, the Gracie family are probably the most deadly unarmed combattens as well as the nicest people ever.
lol no
Agreed
which is the effective martial arts for the street fight
VALE TUDO
Ravi Chandel Muy thai with judo and Bjj.
a martial art is a tool to hone the skill of defence for real-world attacks and Royce is right if it is not effective it should be discarded , that's how the arts developed over time the interviewer was to an extent blinkered by his own interviewing agenda and wasn't dynamic enough to allow the flow of ideas ...shame
Absolutely true! MMA people today simply live off the reputation of this guy.
Where Royce is wrong is where he says:
“You don’t join martial arts to compete”
People join martial arts for one or more of 3 things:
1. Self defense
2. Sport
3. Fitness/health
I love this.
Royce is a philosopher.
Same thing has happened to Judo most Judo schools only teach sport Judo
Royce is right Gracie jujitsu for self-defense no flashy competitions
he's right, Brazilian jiujitsu is a martial arts and martial arts means what??? self defense. you guys are more than welcome to leave a comment, we can agree to disagree and won't feel offended, have an amazing day folks :-)
Luke, you should learn to let go when the person simply doesn't understand or want to understand your question :D I don't know if it's the language barrier or what, but I've always thought Royce as a bit slow mentally. And I also think he's enjoying the "legendary" status a bit too much...
None of it helps. I did BJJ for like 3 months and never once learned how to stuff a tackle or learn a single leg, double leg, didnt learn ANY takedowns. Anything that starts you on the knees is not self defence. We're very limited in Australia because most of the trainers SUCK. They either teach watered down karate, TKD or SPORT scenario BJJ. Muay thai is probably your only option for self defence fighting but none of it is self defence scenario based which is what I always preferred. I'm only 22 and I can see the issue
If you are interested in self-defense checkout my playlists on JKD.
These Gracie affiliate schools will tack on a "real self defense" curriculum with all kinds of moves that don't work under pressure and when they roll, they play from their knees and don't do a complete grappling, much less complete fighting. Self defense is treated like a gimmick for them to exploit.
With who he was going to fight in this ?
The competition in martial arts was created to test reaction in a pressure situation like in a real street fight
The problem with that is many competitions have in time mostly declined into scoring points, rather than trying to actually end the fight. Jiu-jitsu is a great example of this, as Royce himself states. The first UFC was probably the most street-like tournament ever broadcasted on TV. Shame it was one of the last of its kind.
The best self defense system is to get big and built. That way fewer people will mess with you cause its a risk for them what if your tough(even though your not). If you look like Royce no kidding you have to learn self defense. Can you imagine Royce living in Bresil not knowing how to defend himself. Knowing boxing is better. Try to use Jiujitsu when facing 3 guys. Mike Tyson would kill this guy on the streets.
Getting big and built doesn't stop anybody from messing with you.
You don't use Jiujitsu against 3 guys - every single Gracie will tell you to run. Boxing CAN work, but nothing truly is reliable against multiple attackers.
@@tjl4688 it does most of the time. Nothing is 100%.
@@tjl4688 but if u were to fight 3 guys boxing is your best bet. Even if they have beer bottle or knife. You put your keys between ur fingers and you are a lethal combination. Ideally u run but if your cornered. I rather be a boxer. Boxing even if not a boxer u can develop a knock out punch. It incr your odds.
@@levedia That you have a chance in a 3 vs 1 with boxing is just as silly as suggesting you're likely to stumble upon an angry Mike Tyson equivalent in Brazil. Neither of those things will happen
@@richaragonzales1355 not following you buddy
🤔 Excuse me but how much do you weight? 🤔😊
Royce seems like a nice guy.
4:08 A little late to be preaching that now after BJJ has been a sport based art for all these years...
SHTF is going to be the wake up call to the BJJ community.
Great interview Luke. Royce certainly isn't the easiest guy around to interview.
100%
he is totally right
In sport jiu jitsu weight doesn't really matter, guys like Garry tonon and Leon Gracie were competing against much bigger guys
Bad interview
+alvarisum Kind of hard when Gracie just gives textbook answers to every question, it gives you nothing to work with.
Royce knows what he's talking about.
What about judo
He's so true
Some of the comments are ridiculous , bunch of fruity wanna be's , post your fighting and accomplishment vids , do that and I'll stfu .
Pretty sure BJJ comps help better than 99% of other self defense "arts". You can practice a kick or punch on pads or in a dojo but in a live situation it doesn't train you for an altercation. At least in BJJ when you roll or compete you learn to stay calm when someone is trying to smash and submit you, so you learn to think quickly and be calm in the storm. Which is honestly the most important thing for self defense. I knew a guy who was a high level black belt in karate, got into a fight with a couple hoodlums late at night downtown. Beat them up and when he was walking away, the guy shanked him with a blade and he died on the way to the hospital. The best self defense isn't always about fighting or who can knock the other guy out. Sometimes avoiding the situation is the smarter self defense.
wrong deluded and plain wrong
Michael Jung go train for ten years in boxing and taekwondo and then tell me that the old you would kick your ass
Now that’s a man, channeling the trait for aggression into honourable pursuits.
Nice T shirt
I don't think most people who compete in jiu jitsu even care about self defense ( at least for me at least). Striking is way better for self defense anyway.
if not point system in competition then what
Fax
Realest ish he ever spoke
Royce only says this because in high level Bjj competition he would get smoked
Need to make money on that self defence class man ...
when was this? when sakuraba made a joke of the family name or when matt hughes spanked him and showed bjj is a joke?