Off Grid Cabin Build | Installing Plywood SubFLOOR | Episode 2
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2019
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In the off grid cabin build, we are installing plywood as a subfloor. Danny gives tips on how to install plywood throughout the video.
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I put my sub floors down with adhesive and screws. After it is down I immediately apply 2 coats of clear for sealer, roll it down. Takes one hour to do. The floor will NEVER SWELL. Plastic won't hurt. The sealer gets into the floor joints and works FANTASTIC. GOOD LUCK GUYS. VINNY 🇺🇸
Just came across this video. So many opinions as opposed to facts. 4x8 sheets of OSB sub flooring are in fact 48"x96". The "tongue" adds the 5/8 you felt you were missing. We calculate for the 5/8 being slid into the next flooring piece. In addition, we always glue and screw sub floors. Today's adhesives and screws help reduce/eliminate the expansion and contraction of the flooring. They hold it all as one massive sub floor structure. Modern technology, don't fight it, embrace it!
Good job popping the chalk line
Danny, you gave some excellent tips in this video for folks that haven’t done it before but a tip for you is that the subfloors of today are so much better than the subfloors of 30-40 years ago and hell, they are remarkably better than 5-10 years ago so you can go ahead and nail/screw and glue your subfloors at time of install and not worry about the swelling that would occur after one or two rains in the old days. The new subfloors are manufactured with water proof glues and have factory applied sealants applied to all edges and both top and bottom surfaces that will prevent water from swelling the edges. I have too any projects going on at home so one has been pushed to the back burner for awhile and the flooring was installed 8-9 months ago with that product and it’s still as flat as it was the day I put it out there and it’s still not closed in but had not swelled at all.
I’m not sure why you had troubles with glues. You shouldn’t.i won’t put a floor down in a shed anymore without applying subfloor adhesive cause it makes that much of a difference. Any floor installed without glue will squeak at some point somewhere. The glue creates a much better bond between the plywood and joist. You may want to try the foaming glues that are applied using a foam gun applicator and you should be able to find the gun in the insulation isle at Home Depot and the cans of foam that go with it. It is much cheaper using foam with the gun than it is the individual cans as well. One can for the applicator gun is equal to 10 individual cans but cost as much as two cans so it’s like buying 2 and get 8 free.
A tip for your chalk lines is to use red chalk instead of blue. The red chalk is already permanent due to the pigments and then you don’t have the extra time an expense of spraying the lines with lacquer but be sure you do not get red chalk where you don’t want it cause it will not EVER go away.
Good job tho buddy, stay safe and I look forward to more videos
OSB subfloors "so much better than 30-40 years ago?" With respect, let me suggest that is hardly the case . . . at least not in Canada. Our subfloors at that time were 11/16" British Columbia Fir plywood - the best subfloor you can get. Much stronger than OSB, lighter and easier to install without gumming up your blade, much safer and less toxic with a lower glue content and much less susceptible to collapse in a fire. Talk to any fireman, and he'll tell you that they hesitate to enter a house with OSB since it becomes very unpredictable if it reaches a certain melting point. And why use this OSB product if it's so inferior; price of course. BC Fir is at least twice the price per sheet . . . and twice the product. And what did we use before Fir plywood? Something still way better than OSB - diagonal 1 x 6 solid spruce, pine or fir. Strong as could be, not toxic in any way (no glues used), easy to work with, and quite waterproof. What we use today is not better than 30-40 (or 100) years ago, only cheaper.
Looking good . Yes it's a pain when the plywood is not cut to proper widths . I built my cottage a few inches shorter for the width and length to make up the difference in wood sizes . I used AdvanTec plywood for the flooring . It's made to stand up to water for a year . Building on the plastic is perfect . Just cut around the edges when the building is closed in . That's what I did and it turned out great . Great video . Can't wait to watch the rest of the build .
Danny , you are a gifted man. Blessings! 🙏😃
Neat trick spraying clear lacquer over chalk lines. Saving labor! 🙂👍🏻🇺🇸
Great job Danny and Wanda. I'm loving watching you build this cabin. Have a Blessed week... Calvin and Marie
You two are my new inspirations!!!! Keep them wonderful videos coming!!!
I like that you work smarter, not harder. This is a great foundation for the house. Good job!
You are a wealth of information sir and thank you for sharing all your tips with building a proper home/cabin. I plan on doing the same thing in East Texas and with only basic skills you are helping me learn the right way to do things and do them right.
Pro tip: Run a carpenter's dry line the length of the building pulling it tight. Using the dry line as a guide, snap your chalk line in two sections. This will give you a more accurate marking to nail your floor sheeting to.
Nice! That was a great tutorial on building flooring. I can't wait to see more!
Danny and Wanda: Goodness it looks like you guys own half of paradise down there!! And y'all call that giant thing a cabin? I'd call it a mansion if I lived in it! Wow you guys are talented people! I am so loving watching you guys build this. Its been a dream of mine forever to do the same thing but I can't seem to talk my wife into it. Too bad. Y'all are awesome. Seems like every time I watch your show I learn something new and I've been building and in the trades my whole life! So nice to see you two working together. You're such a great team and inspiration for all of us out here. Love you guys from way up north.
You do good work ❤❤❤👍👍👍
This is SUCH A BEAUTIFUL video and SO informative.... You are ONE in a million Danny...
Thanks again Danny for another Great Informational video !!!
That’s all so awesome! 👍💕
Thanks for all the tips--I learned a lot.
Great job yall!
Thank you for sharing so much information.
Great video, you explained everything in a simple way, spot on. Excellent craftsmanship
Thanks Danny.
On the end but-ups, I took a bare 1/8" x 36" welding rod and bent three or four hump's in it to use as a spacing tool when working by myself.
You gettin some Cool weather 👍
Great videos. Learning a lot. Thanks for sharing your build.
Very awesome video! Y’all make it look so darn easy :) That comes from lots of experience and knowledge. Thank you for sharing :) God Bless and have a wonderful day .
Great videos. Thanks for the time and effort you put into explaining things. If you were doing this in a cold climate, I'm guessing it would be a good idea to put thick insulation between the floor joists, then cover it with a heavy mill plastic. I'm a flooring contractor. I'm always trying to keep humidity away from my hardwood floors and my subfloor plywood. If you have an opinion on this I'd love to hear it. Thank you
I used AdvanTech sub-flooring on my cabin back in 2017. It laid flat and my carpenter loved it. AdvanTech has gone way up in price since then. It can handle water and moisture better than plywood.
Plywood...sheet goods are only less than 4x8 when there tongue and groove because they count the tongue width.
You could have split the difference but yeah very frustrating.
Lot of work getting to where your at but now the FUN part!
Good job man!
Your videos are great. thank you. A thought, rip the first sheets in half long ways. when u get to the end you will have a bit less than 2 feet to finish the last course. Wont have to cut the sliver pieces
Nicely done
Gr8 vid, with gr8 tips
Yet again another ExcELlent tutorial! I had another ah-ha! moment...... do not nail it down firm right by the edge...... this would be why we could never get them to seat together proper! Omgosh, why wasn't thos video series out the first time we built ? Lol.... we live off grid in our 1600 sq ft garage right now and are saving for our house build.... I cannot thank you enough for this video series!!! When we go to build the house this phone with Deep South on it will be right by my side 😊
Just found you channel. I am from Wiggins. Happy I found y'all.
Jim Bryan
Hey Jim glad you dropped in.
Thanks good video
Good area.
good job
If plywood is NOT 4x8 it is either metric plywood or you are buying your plywood at the wrong place. Leaving a 1/8 gap allows for lots of drafts and every kind of bug known to man can get in. If you don't nail out close to the edge you floor will squeak like FOR LIFE.....GLUE IT....glue is waterproof when dry.
Great work, as always, Danny! Thanks for putting these videos up.👍🏻I built a tin-roofed, 12 x 10 x 10 high, gambrel roof storage shed...alone, and before I put the flooring OSB down, I coated the slick side with Thompson's Water Seal, even though it'll probably never get wet, to give it a few more years of life and maybe make the termites mad!
Looks great! You answered one question regarding the sub floor adhesive. What about joist hangers?
Danny I appreciate your tips and wealth of knowledge you are sharing with us. What a great set of videos. Wanda I have always been interested in construction and have had to teach my self what little I know, never being around anyone that was knowledgeable. I have learned a lot for not being taught. Being a single Mom I did all the repairs around my home and the building projects. Some were good, some just ok, some I had to do over more than once. My question to you is have you any experience in building? Did you enjoy this process? Did you learn anything new? For me it would have been fascinating to be able to work with someone with Danny's knowledge. I'm married now but my husband and I are both disabled now. My husband is very knowledgeable in lots of things but he isn't a teacher if you know what I mean. You are doing a great job and I admire your work also. Thank you both.
My first husband was a carpenter who built houses from the ground up. We built 3 houses together. I worked for 4 years with a construction company who also owned a building supply company. It was hands on learning during that time too. I have always wanted to help with each step again and be in on each idea for the inside.
Their claim to making the boards shorter is planing them to be level and straight, but I got told by a lumber supplier that it's all apart of inflation. You pay the same or more and get less product. Either way their profits stay the same or increase. They have to keep their investors happy.
Something crooked or out of square. The last row of plywood and sill not parallel. Liked lacquering the chalk lines. Great job though.
Beautifully.. Patiently done.. Perfection. Would definitely hire him to build me my Dream home.
Looks great I am building on my property and your videos are very well done with good explanation. Can you give me some advice on how you and your wife work so well together.
Danny I think that was a neat idea spraying the wall lines and protecting your floor from the many days of rain. Other then cost is there any advantage to using that type floor boards???
Is that stable since the flat sill has 8 ft spacing holding everything?
If you don’t mind, what is the length of the building. I got the width is 16’. Wife and I are seriously considering building a cabin so we’ll have something to stay in while we build our house that we’ll retire in. I’m a shade tree carpenter but you’ve showed me a ton of tips that’ll really help.
Danny, did you consider cabin floor insulation? why or why not? nice video. thanks.
I’m not a good with wood, I work metal so much better.. I had a hard time building my chicken pin lol looking great 👍🙏❤️
Very instructive, What depth is your OSB? 1" or 3/4"
OSB with 1/8” for expansion. Right? But tung &groove? No room for expansion? I’m confused.
Would a viable solution to the lac of having a true 4 foot width have been ripping a sheet in your first course to have signifigantly more to compensate and that'd allow for a better leave width-wise at the end? I know your using tongue and groove but if you left tounge side and ripped the groove on your first course id what I am saying???
Thank you Danny for such an informative video. Can you please tell me what that metal covering is called that you have between the concrete piers and the joists?
In his channel he has a video about termite barriers, that was aluminum flashing that he bent in his workshop.
I so wish I had some land so I to could build my home. You two are so inspiring.
You could use permanent red chalk instead of spraying the blue with lacquer
Good thing your helper was there! Otherwise.....Well I hate to imagine!
Question sir. I am getting ready to build a 30x40 cottage. What was the purpose of the second or stacked Rim Joist vs just placing your floor joists on the sill? Trying to determine if I need to do that. Thank you. Great job by the way. I enjoy your videos.
The lower one is the beam with the joists sitting on top of it.
Is it 4’ from the tongue edge to the groove edge? I have never seen plywood less than 4’x8’.
I can make all the right measurements and still when I lay my osb sheets down they never hit the joists in center and like you I have to rip another piece
In the description it says you're installing plywood; but, in the video you were talking OSB. I want to use 3/4" OSB T&G and cover it with a waterproof stain I bought. Then cover it with plastic as you did. I work alone so I don't know how long it will take to dry it in.
The word plywood is a typeo error. Once the stain dries it shouldn't matter.
I wish you would have shown the making and pouring of the footers and CMU piers.
We have a video on that in the Off Grid Cabin Build Playlist. Several videos from 2 years ago showing the process on the foundation blocks. ruclips.net/p/PLfy5IxZ1NtN-XL5jHO2nrNa1_Ku9g-_Go
Do you think there's an advantage over using plywood rather than OSB?
I was hoping you would do set by step. Instead you finish it. Is my first time building a house now I am losed
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why no deck glue?
Hi
I am new to your channel. What part of the Deep South are you in. I am in west central Alabama.
Im just north of the ms gulf coast.
Are you not insulating the floor? I ran ss ceiling wire on 12'' centers, held it in really good.
Richard OBannon !,, do it now, trying to do it later is a job and a half. Ours was closer to the ground so I had to hire a couple thin guys. Good advice though.
We don't insulate until the building is built. It rains to much here it would get wet.
Makes perfect sense, I just wondered since you were keeping the plastic on the floor it seemed easier to insulate now. Thanks for the answer
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if you need to pop a chalk line than your something is out of square a sheet of ply wood is always square, if it doesn't line up your way out of square I have done a lot of houses to know that and never chalk a line but the base was always square
But you'll only be square withing 8 feet, the length of your sheet. Snapping the line get's you square all the way, from end to end.
If you know plywood is shorter than 48” then frame it to fit the plywood.
Hair spray is cheaper and holds the chalk line just as well..
That's one strong subfloor. I don't quite understand all the joints. Why would you not use a center girder and then floor joists meeting it sitting on a ledger
We could have done that but this was just as strong and cheaper.
@@DeepSouthHomestead Good job
I thought you already built the off the grid cabin, is this another one?
No just moved over from patreon.
Just wondering wouldn't plywood be better than OSB ?
in OSB because all the chips of wood pressed together in the sheets of wood, the grains run in all directions making the boards stronger. with plywood all the wood grain runs the same directions thus allows the plywood to warp and bow more.
Yes, I am kind of disappointed of the flooring choice; no matter what the manufacturer says, once wet it's done.
I've been using OSB for 26 years it's better than plywood for flooring it gives a 50 year warranty on it. Never had any go bad. Some homes took me a year to get built because they were so large. The rain never hurt the floor.
@@DeepSouthHomestead 25 years for me. Whoever thinks plywood won't buckle and ruin a project, probably haven't used it much.
Advantech or legacy with gorilla glue are more expensive but very strong and water resistant.
TIP: the EYE is straighter than any chalkline !!! ....... always "eyeball it" ..... yup ..... I was a carpenter for 50 years
Hahaha...NO you're what they call a Carp-ner. Would LOVE to see the Homes you "helped" build...Deadeye ;-)
@@humblewarrior6585 good comment I guess ..... built many houses ....you said you would like to see?? ..... you make my point.... the eye will pick up any flaw..... "if it don't look plumb it ain't, if it don't look level it ain't, if it don't look straight it ain't" ......for instance if you level it with a level but it don't look level (would you rather have it level or would you rather have it look level?... is a picture frame straight or does it look straight) .... I could teach you something if you would pay attention ......yup
@@humblewarrior6585 check with the ancient Greeks because all of their columns were out of plumb.....yup
@@humblewarrior6585 BTW, I was carpentering before we used very many electric tools..... just food for your thought
@@humblewarrior6585 and ...... the guy in the video was not putting down plywood
Didn't we already tour your cabin? Is this an old video? Thanks.
Martha Adams he uploaded this video from Patreon so that we could watch it on RUclips. He is going through and showing us the building process.
@@cindybonem494 TY
Would have helped if you showed laying the walls out.
Are these videos from a previous build? I noticed in this video you have the blue tractor which you got rid of. I also remember you building an off grid cabin on your place awhile back. Are you just now posting the videos from that build? I also noticed you and Wanda are dressed for cool weather. I don't think it's that cool down there in August. Not that it matters, just an observation.
Yes, this is the actual build that we started in February of this year.
Where the insulation?
Danny I know I am old and sometimes I forget things but I thought you had already built the cabin. Are you building another or have I lost it all together? HA HA
I thought so to
These are videos moved over from patreon.
... why not use a pneumatic nailer ?
Probably because he knows how to use a hammer. lol
No need for pneumatic nailer unless you're concerned with production.
My God wish I could shake your hand ... You actually use a hammer and nails. All these other RUclips channels using air-powered or battery-powered nailers
We are doing this one the old fashion way.
This guy is using his method no issue. I would use marine plywood for that subfloor. Expensive, yes. Much better quality building, yes. Worth it, yes. Also side walls and roof sheathing also marine plywood. Who knows, one may have an issue with water getting in. And I would staple heavy plastic to bottom of joists and spray insulation between joists.
Or there might be a tsunami and Danny and Wanda might need to ride it out inside that ark you got them building.😂😂😂😂😂😂Too funny. Sorry just had to throw a funny in there😂
@@littleshepherdfarm2128 I like overkill. Overkill makes a home last almost sorta like the 600 year old post and beam homes.
@@ericjohnston3569 two same here but I just had to pick on you a little bit cuz the thought of them riding out a tsunami in that cabin is just hilarious.
@@littleshepherdfarm2128 Noah's ark without the bottom part.
@@ericjohnston3569 Yep but this one will be called Danny's Ark. LOL😂
How "off grid" is it if you can easily get materials there?... just sayin
I was hoping that you would not finish that so that I could see every single thing that you were doing I’ve done construction remodelling but I’ve never done building and I really like your work but now I have no idea I’m disappointed Pamela
Please give the lady with gloves
Gee, EVERYBODY puts down the floor with screws and glue. But you say that the manufacturer and the installers are wrong.
When Danny decided not to nail, screw, AND glue the plywood subfloor, I could no longer watch any of the videos. This is an accepted practice and it is routinely done successfully throughout the country.
It was nailed to tack in place. Later we went back and screwed it down. We knew it would get wet a couple of times before we had a roof over it.
Once the exterior walls are in place, how do you nail and screw the perimeter? And how do you ever glue the subfloor?
@@scottjackson638 subfloors on the bottom floor are hardly ever glued here. We only glue the second floor once we have the roof on so it doesn't get wet. Wet flooring will come unglued because the plywood swells and contracts. The plywood is screwed around the perimeter before the walls are stood.
@@DeepSouthHomestead Gluing floors is a best practice everywhere in North America. It helps to create a squeak-free floor system. All subfloor manufacturers recommend gluing subfloors. The printed literature plainly say this and have said this for over a decade.
most of your lumber comes from Canada, and it is all metric for many years now, that is why the sheets are not 4x8, or 3/4". it is shy of 3/4" as well. it is madding that out lumber is sold in the usa far cheaper then we can buy it in Canada, on top of that, all out grade A lumber is exported and we are lest with grade 2 lumber, out government pays the producers a huge amount of subsidy to sell to the usa for far less, and it is getting worse as the government pays more and more to the mfg to export our lumber cheap, we use to be able to go 2 hours across the boarder and buy our lumber in MI for 40% less then we can buy it here and far better lumber then we can buy here, buy the goverment stopped that by baning any lumber in to Canada. claming bug infestation from the usa, witch i total joke, since it all came from Canada in the first place. and you can see that in hundreds of you tube videos were whole lifts of lumber are delivered to you tube builders as the lumber wraps all say made in Canada or a product of Canada in the videos.we been fighting this for years being it is our tax dollars that is used to pay the producers and we pay 50% more here for 2nd grade. but we get know were. i have seen sheets of plywood and osb in usa videos with Canada printer right on the sheets, i thought this cabin ir already been up for some time already
I worked in a osb board plant in NC. The board is 4x8 but the t&g is routed out .when it goes together you lose 3/8"
Terrible construction brother.
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