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I have been in the marine industry 35 years and owned my own business for the last 25 years.It is hard to convince me that the 4 strokes of today are a faster and more reliable than the 2 strokes of the last 90’s and the first ten years of the 2000’s.The DFI 2 strokes to me will always be “The Motor”. I Would like to also add that BRP is not finished yet.That’s a fact.Thanks for allowing to share my opinion.
BRB is focusing on electric outboards the etec was a great and the g2 or 3 looked promising with the build in steering and all electric controls very similar to what we see Mercury and Yamaha doing now. Guess they couldn’t complete with the established four stroke companies with years of engine dev experience. Hate to see another legacy brand leave the market.
@@slange455 BRP bought out the rights of Alta Motors. Alta by far produced the best dirt bike and 5 years later no one still makes one as good. I know BRP bought it for the tech and will produce electric lines of their equipment(jet skis, sleds, SXS, quads and so on)
I agree and when a 4 joke wears oil will get burned and you are always adding and changing oil with metal in it. 4 jokes suck in cars trucks too. The sun and lightning are plasma 2 stroke engine entities so nature abdores the 2 stroke whether it’s a solar flare or lightning strike! 4 stroke are ok but they are a lot more work and rev higher for tge same power. Electric motors are a magnetic rotary 3 phase 2 stroke! Also tge bigger wartsila and Man giant 2 stroke of about 110000 hp for ships.
BRP are coming back with a 4 stroke outboard. The production line is in the design process at the Rotax factory in Austria. So no. They are not finished.
2 strokes has everything to be passionate about. The smell, the smoke. And finally, the sound. They sound so sporty. And they are even stronger than 4 strokes so ye
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon I currently have a small boat, about 420 cm and a really beautiful 1983 Tohatsu M15A. It is just an amazing motor. I’m so happy with it. Tho it does drink some fuel, It’s still enough for my standards.
Clearly four strokes are better. But when I smell a two stroke, all I can think about is the best memories of my entire life, the years of snowmobiling up north, fishing with my grandfather as a child, walking into a bar in the middle of winter up north, all you would smell is two stroke!. And there isn’t a single person in this world that does not completely love that smell! Takes me back every single time. I will say this, in my opinion two strokes take a far better beating than a four stroke. And obviously two strokes are much easier to work on. More than once someone’s snowmobile would go into the water, once we get the snowmobile out of the water we’d have that two-stroke running within two or three hours like nothing happened. Good video!
2-stroke Mercury and envinrude smoke smells bring back the best days of my childhood… getting some whiffs of smokes while my dad pulled the kids on a giant tube 😂
I used to run castor oil in my KTM 350, man o man what a nice smell. The Etec direct injection two stroke injects fuel into the combustion chamber AFTER the exhaust port is CLOSED so no unburnt fuel is pumped through the exhaust, no smoke, no smell! Obviously the oil is not mixed with the fuel, it has a different oiling system...story for another post...
The Direct Injection 2 stroke is theoretically superior to 4 stroke in terms of power to weight ratio, smaller parts count and simplicity. It can work with a diesel type injection system although the ETEC injection system is pretty simple. Imagine a direct injection 2 stroke designed with no electronics, magneto style ignition that does not need a battery, for the markets that require simplicity and some sort variant of an electronic type injection for the markets who think they need complexity? Direct Injection 2 strokes failed because of public opinion. Can forums like this raise enough awareness to start the tide to flow back towards 2 strokes?
Also when the 4 joke wears oil will burn in them and you have to dump out used oil with metals in it. They don’t tell you that! 4 stroke are a lot of work to keep them going. How about an OP 2 stroke 3.8 L made from 2 Rotax 3 cyl 1.9 L outboards. Like this Cummins ACE OP oil injected 2 stroke mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I own both a 2015 Evinrude E-tec 175hp on a 19’ Crownline, and a 2016 Mercury 150hp 4-stroke on an 18’ Glastron. They’re both great engines that I’m extremely pleased with, and have had zero problems with either. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but overall, I like the Evinrude E-tec better. It’s lighter, has more torque, is simpler, less maintenance, accelerates better, and actually is noticeably more fuel efficient despite being higher horsepower and mounted to a heavier boat. It also has a lot of cool features like the automatic winterization function. Subjectively, I think it looks better too. What I don’t like: it’s much louder at idle and low speeds (although has a nicer sound at high speeds), and the XD100 oil is expensive (although it doesn’t need much). The Mercury 4-stroke is a great engine too, and has great torque for a 4-stroke thanks to its 3.0L displacement, it’s very quiet especially at low speeds. While the maintenance is more than the E-tec, it’s not dramatically more, and Mercury made the maintenance very easy for a DIY’er, which I appreciate a lot. Parts are relatively inexpensive too, so I don’t mind the slightly higher maintenance. The two big drawbacks the 4-stroke has is the higher weight (a definitely notice and feel it when getting on plane), and the lower torque. Despite being a torquey engine for a 4-stroke, it still pales in comparison to the punch a 2-stroke delivers. I know the future is 4-strokes, and I’m pleased with what Mercury delivers, but I wish BRP stuck with Evinrude and the E-tec 2-strokes. They had great technology and were wonderful engines that were killed before their prime. BRP made a mistake by not sticking with the program. The COVID excuse was lame, and if they didn’t kill off Evinrude when they did, they probably would have had record sales last year for the E-tecs. BTW, the ease of starting comparison I don’t agree with. Both engines couldn’t be any easier to start, and they both start instantly with the simple turn of the key, hot or cold, in any conditions. If I wanted to be picky and technical, the E-tec starts faster with fewer revolutions of the starter, but that’s splitting hairs.
The future is 4 joke stroke if everyone is dumb enough to keep buying the. Every should quit buying these 4 joke md for a few years and demand a DFI 2 stroke with exhaust trapping sleeve valves. Honda and Yamaha would come out with them then . Tortes should be done DFI 2 stroke options for some cars trucks too. All tge stuff we get from china is shipped over here by a giant 2 stroke powered ship!
There's just something about the mid eighties through late nineties outboard design i just love, I will use them forever. Yeah I know they ain't the latest and the greatest and I dont care.
I like my 2 stroke too and will not go 2 strokeless. Do you realize that every lightning bolt and the sun are plasma 2 strokes. All huge ships still use giant 2 strokes. Natures uses the 2 stroke cycle all around us and I hate 4 jokes in cars/trucks too. The auto industry is going back to 2 stroke now. It’s called an electric motor which is a magnetic rotary 2 cycle engine and it is kicking the shit out of the 4 stroke and I’m loving ever minute of it. Cummynow makes a 2 strokemart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I have a 2018 ETEC 135HO which is same V6 block as 150, 175, and 200 and makes around 147 hp. I could have bought any brand and chose etec for the torque and lack of maintenance. I've got over 600 hours of hard use on it and it's only been in the shop for a 300hr service. Starts instantly every time, even after sitting for 6+ months. Zero problems and it's a great engine. I hope they come back.
Im the owner of a 225HO Evinrude, i love this Motor. It has 243Hp and in Germany my Bassboat is „i think the fastest boat on „my „lake.“ i love it.!!!!!
I just repowered my 2000 Johnson 225hp to a 2009 Optimax 225hp. I only changed cause I wanted better fuel efficiency. It’s hard for me to pay 20k for a 4 stroke when a 2 stroke does the same job for a quarter of the price. I am one of those people who works on my engine at times.
I love the new 4 strokes, although I've never owned one. All of the 9 outboards I have owned have been older 2 strokes, early 70's to late 90's, that smoke upon start up - which I expect. I have never had to do more than routine maintenance on any of them (carb O/H, plugs, etc...) and I don't have to do anything to winterize them. As long as my current 1995 Johnson 115 continues to run great, I can live with the smoke and sputter!
Im only interested in reliability and ease of working on it . Being stuck on the water is terrible. Theres a reason model A fords still run and new cars dont
My take application. I Duck hunt with a 1648 LOWE and 30hp Johnson a 2004 model. I am from Iowa and every year I will be going out with temps in the teens and have seen single digit temp. My Johnson 30 hp starts easy pull start and it takes 2-3 pulls to start when cold. For extreme weather It’s hard to beat 2 cycle IMHO. Maintenance I change plugs every other year, lower unit Oil the same every other year. If I was to buy a new Walleye fishing boat I would most likely go with Mercury first Yamaha second. My Best friend runs Yamaha 300hp and thinks there great.
I spent a few days recently up in Cairns, Australia. I was looking at what outboards were in use on the commercial vessels and every commercial boat with an outboard was running Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or Mercury four stroke outboards (mostly Yamaha). The crocodile tour boats were all running twin Yamaha's. I spent some time chatting to one of the tour operators, who was also a boat mechanic, he rated the Yamaha 4 strokes for long term reliability and ease of maintenance. The only thing he recommended 2 strokes for, was smaller HP engines (30 or below). He absolutely rated how easy the Yamaha's were to work on and were far more predictable in operation than 2 strokes. The one thing he did say was that he likes 2 strokes, because they have more personality in their running and operation.
If those four stroke Yamaha‘s are so easy to work on why is scheduled maintenance so expensive found them? I wonder if the person you spoke with is a competent outboard mechanic because I don’t know anyone who would describe adjusting the valve lash on these outboards as easy
Great video, the Evinrude G2 was so much better than most people realize I believe the project ghost will have a 2 and 4 stroke offering which will be the 3 cylinder G2 that can produce about 150 hp. And a 4 stroke Rotax 4 cylinder which can easily make 300 hp. Can’t wait to find out hopefully soon!
To think that the smell of a two-stroke is bad!? That’s the cologne of the lake. Nothing takes me back to great childhood memories than a little bit of two-stroke drifting over the water. Seriously…I operate a 50 year old 40 hp Evinrude on my Boston whaler and it rarely smokes at all. Maybe the slightest puff on initial start up. But it truly does not smoke. Run good oil!
@@Sauls2286 yes correct also the 4 strokes tend to use cheaper Materials in order to try to shave weight off and that’s why they are so susceptible to corrosion in salt water environments
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 yeah I get your point that is a lot of fresh water I for one have always flushed every outboard I have ever owned after using in salt water but I’ve always on trailerable boats So it’s easy enough to dip it in a freshwater lake and run around for a few minutes
Great video! Great explanation on everything. Things change, people change........that's the way it is. I think this is a tougher subject for us that grew up and have been through both types of engines. I have several boats, and have each type of engine. My '98 Evinrude 25 2-stroke on my jon boat is still running strong. An annual carb clean and it runs like a top no matter what. I love the sound, smell, and look of that engine. That's what I grew up with and what my dad and grandaddy had on their boats. I will run that engine until it completely gives out. My Bass boat has a 175 Yamaha VMAX HPDI 2-stroke. I bought it and boat new to replace my older boat with at Johnson 60. I could not believe how this new tech 2stroke was much more quiet, just about no smoke, and was so much better on gas. This engine is a beast and still runs excellent for as hard as I run it. I wish they still made them! I bought a used duck hunting boat that had an '03 Yamaha 15 4stroke. My plan was to sell the motor and put a 2 stroke on it. Well, after one season with it..... I still have it. Man that thing is so quiet and uses no fuel. I downsized from a 6 gallon to 3 gallon tank to give me more storage, because I can just about go the same distance on half the fuel. Being an older 4 stroke, it is a snail out the hole, but has been just as tough and reliable as any 2 stroke. It starts way easier in the cold weather I run it in. I think 4 strokes are the future, and the old 2 strokes will phase out even if it makes me sad. I would love love for each manufacturer to still make at least one, but only if it had a cost difference that makes Sense. That's about the only way I could see them making a comeback. I remember looking at an etec 25 to replace my old one until I saw the price. It would have been cheaper to get a 4 stroke. Newer buyers don't care about all the specs and stats anymore, so I think it comes down to price. I think there are still places/situations in boating where both types of engines could still be beneficial. Guess we will have to wait and see what happens!
4 jokes are the future only is everyone is fucking stupid and brainwashed washed enough to buy them fat ugly boring things. I will no be 2 stroke less even if it burn a bit more oil and gas! Most don’t realize that Joseph Papp built a pulsed plasma closed cycle 2 stroke he used inert gasses. The toroidal ball lightning tapped ZPE aetheric energy and ran the motor. Also do you realize that lightning bolts and the sun are a plasma form of 2 stroke. The sun is a loop chargerd spherical plasma 2 stroke.
I was a commercial fisherman for many years and johnson/Evinrude made the best engines in the 1970’s until the end of 1990’s.. best outboards ever made IMO. Easy to work on, little or no maintenance, relaibke and all kinds of power. The new 4 strokes suck.. they are designed to fail… Marketing killed the 2 stroke If you like buying a new outboard every 5 years buy a 4 stroke.
Nick Mo < You will never win the Mercury/OMC, Chevy/Ford, Cessna/Piper arguments to which is best. The new 4 strokes are so much better than the old 2 strokes. This is a fact you need to grasp and 2 strokes are now a weed eater power plant.
@@melrose9252 it’s pretty obvious you have no actual knowledge of this subject if you had ever owned a high horsepower two stroke outboard you would know why so many experienced voters love them but the four strokes are fine for weekend warriors and credit card captains Basically the same People Who Drive Buick’s
I live on a 1,000 acre lake and fish more than anyone on the lake. My Merc 115 4-stroke uses less than a tank of fuel for the entire season, May 15-September 15. I have to manually drain the fuel each season. Man, they are fuel efficient. My Yamaha on the new pontoon seems to be even better!
Personally I LOVE the sound and smell of 2 stroke outboards. There's NOTHING like hearing a 2.5 Merc screaming down the lake on an Allison at 7k rpms running 100mph.I much prefer 2 over 4 strokes...
Hey hey hey! Infraction here! You forgot to mention the Mariner Magnum. Same outboard, I know. Different name. Still deserves some mention for those who prefer Mariner's grey over Mercury's black.
I hate 4 jokes in car/trucks and everything else. I got an 8v92 Detroit 2 stroke and small block 4L Johnson side oiler outboard. Every lightning bolt and the sun are 2 stroke plasmas. The strange thing here is if look at photos of our sun you can see that the plasma is loop charged just like a mercury 3.2 optimax but on a much bigger scale. Some folks convert hemis into poppet valves loop charged 2 stroke with valve/cam running 1:1 crank speed. Anyways here’s Cummins nice new OP 2 stroke mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I have a local lake that my family and I fish all the time. Only problem is that it’s a no wake lake. I paid 250$ for a 14’ v hull with a trailer. Had a 1959 evinrude 5.5 that had not been started in 18 years . Choke, started on 3rd pull. I’m currently rebuilding it. Why not. It runs like a top. No smoke, shifts easy. Doesn’t use much fuel. Plus new motors don’t offer what I need. A 5.5 set up for a quicksilver controller. So much for my midship steering console.
"People that are buying new outboards, they don't even have a toolbox" this cracked me up. The biggest issue for me is when these engines start aging. Guys without toolboxes won't want them because repair is expensive, and guys with toolboxes can't troubleshoot the dang things.
Unless you have the right electronic diagnostics equipment And company data access codes no amount of tools in your tool box are going to fix your motor. Forget it, those days are over. They are just like your car or truck.
Hey everyone!! I too loved the 2 strokes ever since I was a kid but I just repowered from a evinrude 150 to a brand new 2022 Suzuki 140 and it’s a game changer I loved the 2 stroke scream but hated coming back from a 15 minute ride around the lake and the cloud is still there ! The Suzuki is heavier but it’s faster than my old 150 overall and out of the hole and a 5 year factory warranty it’s hard to beat
My 2005 90hp E-TEC failed and required complete rebuild. Warranty was denied. Only 800 hrs on motor. I suspected poor quality as the reason Evinrude went out of business. Am now worried about cost and availability of parts.
I boughta 2021 Alumacraft Competitor 175 with the option to buy any motor I wanted and I like alot of people went to a Yamaha 115 vmax sho to know that I could take it everyrime with no problems and most quiet Smoot operation all while have reliability and great performance and fuel economy. The only other brand I was considering and would have bought was a Suzuki. I'm in love with this boat and motor. Solid aluminum transom and 2xb hull plus big fuel tank 2 good sized livewells a built in insulated cooler a very well laid out boat front to back. Love it can't wait for the ice to melt and to get family out in it on the open water.
Couldn’t have said it better with “people buying new motors don’t even own a toolbox” I think part of enjoying a 2 stroke of a knowing how to fix it and understanding how simple and beautiful they are. I don’t know anything about the G2 or Etec because I’m not in that financial category. I know my Johnson 25 in and out though and can fix and diagnose just about any issue that might arise.
Not only are these new 4 joke ugly as hell, they are more work to keep up too. Both the sun and lightning bolts are natures plasma 2 stroke engines entities. Solar flares on the sun are huge 2 stroke plasma event.
As a repair person not under a dealership it is easier to get information for Mercury and Yamaha motors than a Etec motors even if you have the computer programs to work on them and here is a thought the after market could get in on programs that could change the performance of the four stoke Engine like the car engine.
Adding a crankshaft operated supercharger and removing the crankcase induction will allow the 2t to operate just like a 4t. Oiled bottom end and fuel only top end. Ultra high power and good gas mileage. Game changer.
XD-100 BRP etec 2 stroke oil works great in a 2 stroke Detroit! I would give amsoil interceptor a go if I could get enough of it cheaper and I might just give that a try.Detroit 2 strokes run these coated anti friction bearings and are not fussy about what brand of 2 stroke oil they use. I heard of some folks running super tech tcw3 through a 6-71 with no issues at all.
Stay with that old 2 stroke. Once 4 joke stroke wears out if forms its own oil injection! No matter what 4 stroke is made they always try to revert to a 2 stroke state.
I owned a 1995 Suzuki 25 hp oil injected three cyl ,three carb 2 stroke for 26 yrs. I had zero issues with this engine. In 2023 I bought a 2023 Suzuki 25 hp 4-stroke fuel injected and put it on my boat.. No comparison on how well it planed my boat which is disappointing at best. My 2-stoke popped the boat out of water right now.. plus pulling my grandchildren on tube was so much better. Gas mileage usage and quietness is the only advantage.I see. I bought three different props for my 25hp 4 stroke now trying to equal performance of my old 25 hp 2-stroke. I was worried parts might become hard to get for a 2-stroke was the only reason for trading it in. Not so sure I did the right thing now.🤔
My boat is a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk and I had a 2016 E-TEC 200HO G2. I needed about $5k worth of work and support in my area was difficult so I decided to repower instead. I looked at going with a Suzuki or Yamaha 200 inline 4 and the Mercury Four Stroke 200 V6, I couldn't justify the higher price of the Yamaha (not to mention the $2k charge for white paint) and I just couldn't get comfortable with the concerns around Mercury's reliability. So I went with the Suzuki. The Suzuki is amazingly quiet. At idle it's difficult to hear it running. But I gave up a good amount of low-end grunt (noticeable when tubing and pulling up two water skiers) and I lost a few MPH on the top-end. Going from a two stroke V6 to a four stroke inline 4 as you would imagine changes the power and torque curves. One of the biggest differences is that Suzuki has a 2.50:1 gear ratio compared to the E-TEC's 1.85:1. This made the Suzuki a little more difficult to prop correctly. I stayed with a drive-by-wire control configuration and also needed to have a steering ram installed as the E-TEC had internal steering. I keep my boat on a lift on a saltwater canal so I do miss the ease of maintenance, no oil changes, easy winterization when I wasn't going to use the boat for an extended time and the longer 3 year general service interval.
Everyone on here talking up the etecs so much should talk to some offshore fishermen. I have no problem with Evinrudes but I've seen 3 etecs on offshore boats that have blown up in under 2 years of use. My buddy's boat blew an etec after 45 hours and they gave him a deal on a pair of Suzuki 4 strokes because Evinrude stopped making engines and he now has 800 trouble free hours on them. Im on the water more than most and I haven't seen a single offshore boat with etecs on it in over 2 years hear in MD. I loved the old 2 strokes but I won't have anything but 4 strokes on my boats now.
Why USN used those same ventures. For reliability before bombardier killed the come outboard program after they bought omc. Ironically they didn’t kill the license so they may reappear. In future
Oh well. 😂 This is easily one of the most informative boating channels, especially for smaller craft. The motors I have a problem with are the ones that don't start when it's time to return to the dock.
I own a 1984 20’ Grady White. In 1993 I replaced the original 185 Johnson with a 225 Johnson Ocean Runner. Very reliable it’s whole life. In optimum conditions I could get 2.1 mpg @ 4000rpm where I cruise at. After 28 years I replaced it with a 2021 Merc 225. At 3800 rpm I calculated 4.3 mpg and 4.0 mpg at 4000 rpm which was after only 2 hrs of break in. I’m guessing it will improve somewhat by the 100hr mark. I’m at 20+ hrs now and couldn’t be happier. Plenty of snort out of the hole too.
I put 1800 hours on my Yammy four stroke and never once gave me any grief , never owned a two stroke but been on plenty of boats with them and the smell and noise put me off
I’ve owned many 2 stokes including an E-Tec’s and three 4 strokes. I would never think about going back to a 2 stroke. Take a look at the weight of the 150 Mercury and 150 E-Tec. Think you will get a big surprise.
I purchased my Boston Whaler in 2001 and my 115 hp 2 - Stroke oil injected Mercury is still running strong. The only maintenance I’ve had to do is spark plugs, gear oil and water impellers. It’s a great engine and I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning.
I own a Merc 200 Promax from 1994 and it's a monster. Smokes and guzzles gas but man is it a fast and reliable motor- love it. Have an Evinrude etec 75 from 2014 as well and that one is perfect with the 2 stoke power and very low emission. There's something nostalgic with the 2 stroke motors
I’m no Motörhead but I’ve fished behind and owned both style of motors on my boats. I’m sorry I feel the 4-stroke is superior in so many different ways. Less smoke, smell and noise it’s not even really close imo. I’m sure I’ll read a bunch of different reasons why Evinrude went under. It’s pretty simple they weren’t as good as most 4-stroke manufacturers for many of the reasons I mentioned above as well as overall reliability they just couldn’t match the 4-strokes. Consumers just didn’t want them like they wanted the 4-strokes. I’m in the boating industry and you mentioned Alumacraft. They tried for years to force all their dealers to package exclusively with Evinrude on their boats. The last dealer meeting before Evinrude was discontinued it was a pretty hot topic with many of the dealers complaining that they were dead against it. Again mainly for the reasons I mentioned above. I did a lot of research before I bought my last fishing boat and motor. My biggest concern was reliability. I have a lot of boat dealers that I work with and not a single one recommended the Evinrude. Evinrude was usually last on their list of the motors they offer. The only dealers that thought the Evinrude was great was only selling Evinrude.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon One dealer from southern Minnesota told me that he and his business partner went to the dealer meeting ready to concede to Alumacraft at the meeting and to no longer offer Yamaha, Mercury or Hondas on their new Alumacrafts and only offer Evinrudes. But they were out taking a test drive with a new 150 Evinrude. They both looked at each other and after all the noise and smoke told the Alumacraft rep what they had planned to do but they just couldn’t. The rep admitted that their are a lot of dealers fighting this problem as well and said they’re getting ready to throw in the towel on the Evinrudes and possibly come out with a 4-stroke under the Johnson name. But that obviously hasn’t transpired yet.
Having run both new 4 strokes and etecs the maintenance of the 4 stroke is a killer having to pull the boat out of the water every week to change the oil is a dealbreaker on its own especially when running a fleet of boats the power to weigh is also not great on the 4 strokes both are easy to work on but the 2 strokes only require spark plugs and the occasional injector or sensor don’t forget that the Etec diagnostic software is dirt cheap compared to merc or Yamaha
Yes we run them on commercial boats they typically get several thousand hours on them a year when you have a fleet of 10 boats the down time for maintenance is a killer we operate in New England mainly Connecticut Massachusetts New Hampshire and Maine also I’ve found other commercial operators who have tried 4 strokes (Honda Suzuki Yamaha and Mercury) and have lost a lot of money from down time inevitably we all go back to Etecs as they are the most reliable and low maintenance engine with the discontinued production we are forced to go to the 4 strokes not saying they are bad just way more maintenance and down time we typically get 2-4 years out of a etec and around 7,000-8,000 hours they are still running great but after 5 years the electrical stuff starts to go bad. The commercial market is not big enough as almost everything is inboard diesels and only the small boats are Outboads we currently only run 3 boats with outboards as diesels are more fuel efficient and last much longer 30,000 hours between overhauls is the norm on the diesels
Changing your oil every week in a 4-stroke what are you talkin about?? Oil in a 4-stroke is good for at least a hundred hours. The five to seven quarts it takes to change the oil in a 4-stroke every 100 hours is far less oil then you will put in an Evinrude in 100 hours.
@@scottsilver5409 100 hours a week is normal for us and adding oil is quick and easy changing oil and timing belt ect is down time that costs a lot more than the oil a boat down for a few hours is $$$$ as we work 24 hours a day 7 days a week (2 12 hour shifts a day) and the equipment needs to be in service also there’s a logistics issue as the engineer needs to keep track of the hours as the hardhats can add oil and gas but aren’t going to keep track of hours and will run the engine over its scheduled maintenance interval
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Yes and No they are electronic diesels and they have proven to be unreliable but the ability to get away from the logistics of a second fuel type is great as everything else (cranes excavators tugs welders gensets ect is diesel and we have 50,000 gallons of If on the big tug and skid tanks with transfer pumps on every barge) as well as the fire hazard of gas is a great idea but not sure about the reliability of them we have issues with newer diesels and mostly run 2 stroke diesels (Detroit 71s and 149s and EMD 567s and 645s)
I'm likely on the older end of your demo, so I have a lot of experience with both 2 and 4 strokes. As a tech, I even worked on 2 stroke diesels years ago. I can do any repairs or maintenance myself with either 2 or 4. Whether snowmobiling or boating, 2 strokes were a pain in my ass. So years ago when given the choice between a 2 or 4, even when the 2 stroke was a higher HP, I chose the 4 stroke. I would make the same choice today if that choice still existed. I think that all of the manufacturers did a great job at adapting. Even Evinrude. But there are differences inherent in the 2 models that make the 4 stroke the objective winner.
They went put of business because brp did not get there info out there enough and correctly they worried more about the atv market and not the outboard market
Not sure about the G2 etec but the g1 etec is super quiet, I start mine and can't even hear it running. At wide open yeah you can tell it's a 2 stroke. And as for starting, you just touch the key and it starts. These four strokes crank over 4 or 5 times just like your car.
I own a 1999 Honda 8hp 4 stroke outboard that I bought used that was run in saltwater and freshwater, some parts were missing and the dude i bought it from had also broke the small pin in the prop, long story short that engine was fun and easy to repair, in my state where Honda has a good popularity and lots of people own one theres a place that walked me through the repairs. But yes i agree what you said about Honda engines.
One thing not on your comparison graph is noise. I’m more familiar with the older designs, but I always hated the rattletrap noise and blue smoke of the two strokes.
I still have a older 87 Johnson 110 on my glasstron carlson. Cut the wires to the vro pump and mix the oil myself. A lot of oil is smokeless and I’ve never had mine smoke. I’ve had no problems in 10 years with my motor except 1 coil pack went bad.
@@sniping12 not the official said no other outboard was allowed. But they could have been referring to other 2 stroke engines. It's been a while back when I saw the interview. But they were showing how clean emissions were with eveninrude's 2stroke engines were. I should have worded it different. Sorry! P.S. I think and this is my opinion, 2 stroke engines are a lighter less maintenance engine. Most of all more tork .
4 stroke outboard engines hasn't been out that long when I saw the interview. I'll hunt it up if I think they were referring to allowing only Eveninrude. My understanding was the officials were only going to use there 2 stroke engines. And in that interview they were showing how much more it cost on 4 stroke engine maintenance. But this is what I understand through the interview.
4 strokes are also easy to work on. Not AS easy but still easy. For the most part. Simple maintenance and valve adjustments are all you need to make them go 4ever.
My Yamaha 50 has 4 cylinders as my evinrude only has 2 2 strokes are lighter make more power and are just better engines my question I have a etec sadly we hit a rock and blew up the lower unit the power head only has like 70 hours should I repair it? Unfortunately we all ready repowered our boat with a newer 4 stroke I wanted to say evinrude but we came to the idea we just need to repower it
I was under impression that the Evinrude etec 2 stroke emitted less emissions than the 4 strokes?! Is it a bad idea to buy a used (2015) Evinrude etec?
Keep in mind there's many advantages to 2 cycle power less weight less moving parts...the only reason is why 2 cycle power is the loser in this video is emissions...2 cycle is the way to go I've been running a marina in eastern Ontario since 1975...I run both both but I prefer 2 cycle
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon however thou in terms of ease of operation the new four-cycle units would definitely be better than 2 cycle and with the new regulations regarding exhaust emissions in the last 30 years or so has been moving away from 2 cycle power
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon don't get me wrong the late model DI/FI 2 cycle optimax/etec units are something phenomenal and it shows that 2 cycle can run super clean but not quite to the level of 4 cycle outboards
I still have a 1932 Firestone out board, and my favorite 10 hs is my 1960ish Evenrude, ya lean it out and top end is amazing, just don't forget your spark plugs..
Great video, I'd like to see a video about Suzuki's current rise to stardom in the outboard world, they seem to be becoming more and more popular each year. In my area, Yamaha and Hondas were king, now, I'm seeing more and more Suzuki, including my little 25 :)
evinrude has more torque than a 4-stroke, its electronic injection system is more efficient than other 2 and 4-strokes, mercury bought it to disappear it because it was much better, cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
Brp decided to worry more about other watersports with the jet skis and the atv market. So why they decided to cut the etecs I'm not sure but in my opinion it's going to hurt them a little bit. I have an etec that I bought a couple years ago and it's amazing out of the hole and fuel milage.
To me I see the majority are mercury outboards but I do see a lot of etecs as well. So I'm not sure who made the decision or why they thought it was a good one.
Never heard a 2 stroke brasher like you. I swapped a 75 merc 2st for a 90efi 4st and went backwards, the extra 55+ kgs didn’t help I guess. Going back to 2st. . . 90 Etec when I can find one
I have a question. I'm retired and thinking about buying a boat for recreational bass fishing. Seems like there is an odd fixation on the so-called Hole Shot. Assuming I'm not a pro basser, what difference does it make if it takes me a FEW seconds longer to get up on plane? I'm thinking more about the dependability of an outboard than flat-out performance. Thanks in advance! Cheers!
Where i live (Norway). Evinrude is the most popular engine. Atleast 50% or more of the new engines Untill last year were evinrude. So they did extremely well in Norway. I have no idea why. I have a e-tec 60, and it has been a great. Its from 2011 and it has never had any issues
Ole Evinrude, born Ole Andreassen Aaslundeie was born 19 April 1877, in Gjøvik, Norway. Evinrude has dominated the Norwegian market despite Ole selling the first company in 1913 and not a part of the second company after he died in1934.
I love the old two strokes...the smell...the simplicity, longevity etc. ...sad to see them go, but it's just the changing times. Evinrudes were very complicated and highly engineered, and just plain lost the two stroke over four stoke advantage. As a result they were just increasingly losing their market share. When I use to run my old trusty 9.9 two stroke in a barrel, I was surprised and amazed at how much unburned filth was in the water.
I like the new 4 strokes..just this week, I bought a new pontoon with a 90hp Mercury...but the expense in developing and building them is really driving up the cost of boating. Also, as these engines age...the cost of operating them is going to be substantial...as a matter of fact, even the older 4 strokes are EXPENSIVE to repair. I don't like the demise of the 2 stroke...it is going to put boating out of financial range of a lot of people.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon And, this cost increase effects not only the people that do their own mechanical work...it also carries over to those that take their boat to a tech....the complexity of these engines is just extremely expensive. Give it 10 more yrs and there will be a definite measurable impact on boating. But, hey, it is their business to do with, what they want. These high tech 4 strokes will never operate as cheaply and probably not as long as those old much maligned 2 strokes. I have owned more than 30 boats in my 61yrs...I just sold a 2007 Mercury 40hp 4 stroke that cost me more to operate over the time that I had it than all of the previous 2 strokes combined. Example...in the last year, I had to replace the "fuel cooler"...that cost a cool $570...just that one small part.
There was a lot wrong in your last outboard video, and I was optimistic that that'd be corrected in this one, but apparently nope. Probably the funniest lie in this video was that a DI two stroke doesn't completely burn the fuel. With DI, no unburnt fuel escapes the exhaust port. In fact these DI two strokes had and still have a cleaner and more complete burn than ANY four stroke available today. Evinrude G2 emissions are so superior that of four strokes that the only outboards permitted in many lakes in the EU are these DI two strokes. Four strokes not allowed I'll reiterate what I said earlier: the four stroke won because so many people (including yourself) believe the crap in this vid. The modern day two stroke is cleaner than the four stroke, more fuel efficient, requires less maintenance, and has better performance. The only possible advantage a four stroke has that it's quieter. People just cannot fathom that direct injection transformed the two stroke into something better than the four stroke. But it did BTW your other videos are pretty great and well-informed... how come you chose this particular topic to spout off random shit that is incorrect?
Actually after that comment, the rest of the video is pretty darn accurate. I was being a bit too critical. I still think lack of knowledge of new two stroke technology contributed to it's demise in a big way. But you are right about owning transoms, people don't realize how impactful that is. It's the sole reason Yamaha is so popular today, even though they screwed people with their F225 and F350, both of which are some of the worst motors ever made
I agree with everything in your well-informed comment the only thing I would add is that I think dealerships prefer selling the four strokes because of the lucrative and expensive service and repairs that go along with them
The etec g2 was still a good engine. It just wasn't popular enough to continue production during the covid crisis. Other than that they were fine. They didn't smoke and weren't "too loud". Never mind the haters.
I have an old Yamaha 70hp 2stroke on my small 15ft speedboat. One thing is the extra speed (rpm) with the 2stroke vs 4stroke, the other is weight. My boat is rated for 90hp max, i'm thinking of getting a 115, but when the 4stroke weighs around 30-40kg more.. Then I have to strengthen the boat..
Sorry but 4 strokes are Not quiet as you said here in this video. I have been going to Our favorite lake for a long time. I was there Yesterday and had seen Alot of boats out there with quite a few 2 Stroke outboards still out on the water. My wife and I were out at this lake and we had seen 3 men in a little aluminum fishing boat with a little 4 stroke Honda 9.9 outboard. These men Idled on out away from the boat ramp and Imo was Louder than my 2 stroke Evinrude 200 XP . We have seen other 4 stroke outboard motors on the lake and they were Not the Quietest either.
I've noticed the sub 15hp 4 strokes seem to be just as loud as the 2 strokes. However, the larger 4 strokes are a good bit quieter than the two strokes. With two strokes you have a lot of intake noise. On a 4 stroke, the intake valve is closed when combustion happens. On a two stroke, there is a path for the sound of combustion to travel through the intake.
Had 2015 G2 250 H.O. , exellent motor when it worked all 32 -hours of it from new ! Constant electrical issues with gauges : EMMO NMEA bus heart beat lost and CODE 20 PBLC Network Communication fault . This lasted for four years , importer mechanics tried to fix it 9- times, blew finally EMU ,worked last fifth summer without incident but trust to the engine was completely lost . 110 engine hours, which mechanics tested 15 hours . Used huge amounts of expensive xd 100 oil, did not like to run at low rpm at all, started acting like old motocross bike with choke on. Im not messing with BRP products any more . Open the cowling and compare to other manufacturer layout, Evinrude is like someone forget at casting stage cooling an other stuff , it is completely covered with all kind of hoses, wires and crap . My 2008 Yamaha 250 fourstroke was like jewelwery compared to G2.
The New products very often have problems, I have seen new 4strokes with serius problems, like sea water in the oil in the second service, corrosion problems or power trim problems like mine in the first 25hrs
The direct injection 2 stroke doesn't wast gas it cant scavage because they dont have intake ports a carb motor was gas because the intake port and exhaust ports are open at the dame time for a fraction of a second and unburned fule gets out the exhaust port then into water
My beer budget dictates either I/O or 2 stroke. I’m ok with that, I love both and love tinkering. I own 2 305’s and 1 very old 250 in-line 6. Good power, reliable when maintained and CHEAP. Even new an I/O is half the cost of a new outboard for 250 hp.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon All have their purpose, my runabout/tubing/camping boat, 88 Bayliner 5.0 OMC, 230 hp. My and father in law’s fishing boat, 75 Grew Cutter w/250ci Merc, 165hp and the free boat I let the whole rest of the family use, 1986 19’ runabout with 5.0 Merc, 200hp.
I went from a mercury optimax which was very easy to maintain and incredibly fuel efficient to a Yamaha 250 four stroke, with my optimax I had a top speed of 51-53 mph depending on weight on the boat, to 42-44 on the Yamaha four stroke. I am also burning a bit more fuel on the Yamaha compared to the optimax. Having to change oil every 100 hours is a pain, having to change oil 2-3 times per summer. The optimax did not use much oil and I find if you do a lot of boating you use less oil on the optimax compared to the Yamaha 4-stroke. If I had a choice and a new optimax was available I’d sell my Yamaha and go back to a reliable, fast and better on fuel optimax. It’s really too bad they stopped making them.
What about weight and reliability? Haven't the 4 strokes come down in weight and getting close to the weight of equivalent two strokes, plus, don't 4 strokes generally give you more hours?
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Thanks Russ, true the new 4 strokes are very close in power to weight ratio. I actually don't know which one is likely to give more overall hours, assuming maintenance is done right? I've had both. My latest is a 4 stroke. Here in Canada guys can hardly give away the two strokes and even 10-year-old 4 strokes get a premium dollar. Is it the reliability of the 4 strokes or the simple toxic fumes of the two strokes that is the reason people up here don't want them. I remember when they sold "scented" two-stroke oil for small engines, masking the smell but not doing much about the toxic stuff. That old two-stroke brings back memories for me too, but apparently, it's just plain bad from a health standpoint. By the way, I like how you didn't "stand on the fence" with this issue.
I have a 250 Merc Four Stroke on my XP3 TriToon, the fuel usage is great, its gone tons of power, its SUPER reliable. I beat the shit out of it when my wife goes wakeboarding. I don't miss the old two strokes of my childhood at all.
You said it there my friend. There the one's that invented the outboard to start with. Because mr. Eveninrude wanted to see his girl friend that lived a cross the lake. Yep! That's rite. He invented the out board engine. 😎👌
Yes you will lose a little bit but in saying that you will use far less fuel and can troll all day long without fouling up the plugs it's horses for course's 2stroke's don't like putting around
I don't know about losing speed. I went from a 1992 60hp to a 2012. 75hp and lost 2mph top end speed. Your props pitch and the rpm of the engine control speed. My newer motor and the old motor called for the same size prop. I do get on plane a little faster.
@@charlesronk2989 I've only had experience with small outboard motors 5-40hp on light boats and also motorbikes using gps and speedometers i have found 2strokes are faster than fours, by changing gear ratios or prop size you can get a higher speed but loose lower end torque, your comparing a 60hp to a 75hp which one was 2stroke and how much wear was on them 2strokes will loose compression (wear out) a lot faster than four's just curious 👍
@@shanegray7739 something a lot of people don’t realize is you can have a set of trolling plugs gapped differently. Extremely easy to swap plugs. Some old motors might still have surface gap plugs which foul way too easy at low rpm. You want the standard J gap plugs. I’ve got a set gapped at .03 for performance speeding from spot to spot and .04 for trolling on my Johnson 25 seahorse. Hotter spark to keep all that fuel burning in the cylinder. If you have knowledge of these motors they will work better for you.
@@timlong1462 yeah that is true, i have done that before but it's a pain in the butt changing plugs constantly and having the wrong heat range and gap at high rpm will damage the motor, i travel several miles between trolling spots it all comes down to how you intend on using the motor 👍
Well, the key comment was : " I never owned an E-tec or an Evinrude ..." I could have bet a Boston Whaler on that. All manufacturers offer basically sound engines but BRP offered the most advanced technology and better design, no contest. But it came with a price tag that the average consumer was not ready to foot. Brings back memories of Apple almost being flattened by the much less advanced (but cheaper) PC models in the '90. Apple computers were saved through massive direct subsidies from Microsoft that feared monopoly sanctions. Look for the outboard industry's engineering drive to considerably slow down since its leader has stepped down ... sad indeed !
I think the evinrude etec was a nightmare. I own one and it has been a nightmare. My 1992 60hp I spent less than 150 on parts running it from 1994 to 2019. My Etec 2012 75hp I spent over 2000 in parts in just the first 3 months I owned it, and the lift cylinder still leaks. To be fair some of this was the change in rigging. The $1700 for a computer is ridiculous as many people have had to replace several. $300 for each fuel injector. VST almost $400. As the high pressure fuel pump can not be purchased separately.
Evinrude was and still is best in outboard motors 4 strokes are heavy and slow its well documented in terms of acceleration and simplicity 2 stroke is where its at
New outboards have become ridiculously expensive. I personally cannot justify $10,000 or more for a 30 to 40 hp outboard. In my opinion they need to focus on cost because it’s becoming unaffordable.
So what you’re saying is that the outboard company’s are only aiming at people with boats that have to be number one? Seems to me that companies doing this are doomed for failure. The local fishermen are pissed. Law’s have us handcuffed! When are the outboard company’s going to show up at our lake and ask the question? I say I’m done with it. I’ll have to build my own. No one cares, unless you have the money. 🤮
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I have been in the marine industry 35 years and owned my own business for the last 25 years.It is hard to convince me that the 4 strokes of today are a faster and more reliable than the 2 strokes of the last 90’s and the first ten years of the 2000’s.The DFI 2 strokes to me will always be “The Motor”. I Would like to also add that BRP is not finished yet.That’s a fact.Thanks for allowing to share my opinion.
Rotax!!!! I hear the Buzz i want to know!!!!!
BRB is focusing on electric outboards the etec was a great and the g2 or 3 looked promising with the build in steering and all electric controls very similar to what we see Mercury and Yamaha doing now. Guess they couldn’t complete with the established four stroke companies with years of engine dev experience. Hate to see another legacy brand leave the market.
@@slange455 BRP bought out the rights of Alta Motors. Alta by far produced the best dirt bike and 5 years later no one still makes one as good. I know BRP bought it for the tech and will produce electric lines of their equipment(jet skis, sleds, SXS, quads and so on)
I agree and when a 4 joke wears oil will get burned and you are always adding and changing oil with metal in it. 4 jokes suck in cars trucks too. The sun and lightning are plasma 2 stroke engine entities so nature abdores the 2 stroke whether it’s a solar flare or lightning strike! 4 stroke are ok but they are a lot more work and rev higher for tge same power. Electric motors are a magnetic rotary 3 phase 2 stroke! Also tge bigger wartsila and Man giant 2 stroke of about 110000 hp for ships.
BRP are coming back with a 4 stroke outboard. The production line is in the design process at the Rotax factory in Austria. So no. They are not finished.
2 strokes has everything to be passionate about. The smell, the smoke. And finally, the sound. They sound so sporty. And they are even stronger than 4 strokes so ye
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon I currently have a small boat, about 420 cm and a really beautiful 1983 Tohatsu M15A. It is just an amazing motor. I’m so happy with it. Tho it does drink some fuel, It’s still enough for my standards.
Clearly four strokes are better. But when I smell a two stroke, all I can think about is the best memories of my entire life, the years of snowmobiling up north, fishing with my grandfather as a child, walking into a bar in the middle of winter up north, all you would smell is two stroke!. And there isn’t a single person in this world that does not completely love that smell! Takes me back every single time.
I will say this, in my opinion two strokes take a far better beating than a four stroke. And obviously two strokes are much easier to work on. More than once someone’s snowmobile would go into the water, once we get the snowmobile out of the water we’d have that two-stroke running within two or three hours like nothing happened. Good video!
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon I’ll be googling that up right now! LOL. Thank you!
2-stroke Mercury and envinrude smoke smells bring back the best days of my childhood… getting some whiffs of smokes while my dad pulled the kids on a giant tube 😂
I used to run castor oil in my KTM 350, man o man what a nice smell. The Etec direct injection two stroke injects fuel into the combustion chamber AFTER the exhaust port is CLOSED so no unburnt fuel is pumped through the exhaust, no smoke, no smell! Obviously the oil is not mixed with the fuel, it has a different oiling system...story for another post...
The Direct Injection 2 stroke is theoretically superior to 4 stroke in terms of power to weight ratio, smaller parts count and simplicity. It can work with a diesel type injection system although the ETEC injection system is pretty simple. Imagine a direct injection 2 stroke designed with no electronics, magneto style ignition that does not need a battery, for the markets that require simplicity and some sort variant of an electronic type injection for the markets who think they need complexity?
Direct Injection 2 strokes failed because of public opinion.
Can forums like this raise enough awareness to start the tide to flow back towards 2 strokes?
I would not agree, according to the stats 2strokes are beter
The 4 strokes are here to stay but nothing will ever be better than a 2 stroke. The smell, the sound and the memories.
Also when the 4 joke wears oil will burn in them and you have to dump out used oil with metals in it. They don’t tell you that! 4 stroke are a lot of work to keep them going. How about an OP 2 stroke 3.8 L made from 2 Rotax 3 cyl 1.9 L outboards. Like this Cummins ACE OP oil injected 2 stroke mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I own both a 2015 Evinrude E-tec 175hp on a 19’ Crownline, and a 2016 Mercury 150hp 4-stroke on an 18’ Glastron. They’re both great engines that I’m extremely pleased with, and have had zero problems with either. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but overall, I like the Evinrude E-tec better. It’s lighter, has more torque, is simpler, less maintenance, accelerates better, and actually is noticeably more fuel efficient despite being higher horsepower and mounted to a heavier boat. It also has a lot of cool features like the automatic winterization function. Subjectively, I think it looks better too. What I don’t like: it’s much louder at idle and low speeds (although has a nicer sound at high speeds), and the XD100 oil is expensive (although it doesn’t need much). The Mercury 4-stroke is a great engine too, and has great torque for a 4-stroke thanks to its 3.0L displacement, it’s very quiet especially at low speeds. While the maintenance is more than the E-tec, it’s not dramatically more, and Mercury made the maintenance very easy for a DIY’er, which I appreciate a lot. Parts are relatively inexpensive too, so I don’t mind the slightly higher maintenance. The two big drawbacks the 4-stroke has is the higher weight (a definitely notice and feel it when getting on plane), and the lower torque. Despite being a torquey engine for a 4-stroke, it still pales in comparison to the punch a 2-stroke delivers.
I know the future is 4-strokes, and I’m pleased with what Mercury delivers, but I wish BRP stuck with Evinrude and the E-tec 2-strokes. They had great technology and were wonderful engines that were killed before their prime. BRP made a mistake by not sticking with the program. The COVID excuse was lame, and if they didn’t kill off Evinrude when they did, they probably would have had record sales last year for the E-tecs.
BTW, the ease of starting comparison I don’t agree with. Both engines couldn’t be any easier to start, and they both start instantly with the simple turn of the key, hot or cold, in any conditions. If I wanted to be picky and technical, the E-tec starts faster with fewer revolutions of the starter, but that’s splitting hairs.
The future is 4 joke stroke if everyone is dumb enough to keep buying the. Every should quit buying these 4 joke md for a few years and demand a DFI 2 stroke with exhaust trapping sleeve valves. Honda and Yamaha would come out with them then . Tortes should be done DFI 2 stroke options for some cars trucks too. All tge stuff we get from china is shipped over here by a giant 2 stroke powered ship!
There's just something about the mid eighties through late nineties outboard design i just love, I will use them forever. Yeah I know they ain't the latest and the greatest and I dont care.
I like my 2 stroke too and will not go 2 strokeless. Do you realize that every lightning bolt and the sun are plasma 2 strokes. All huge ships still use giant 2 strokes. Natures uses the 2 stroke cycle all around us and I hate 4 jokes in cars/trucks too. The auto industry is going back to 2 stroke now. It’s called an electric motor which is a magnetic rotary 2 cycle engine and it is kicking the shit out of the 4 stroke and I’m loving ever minute of it. Cummynow makes a 2 strokemart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I will always love YOU 2STROKE!!!
I have a 2018 ETEC 135HO which is same V6 block as 150, 175, and 200 and makes around 147 hp. I could have bought any brand and chose etec for the torque and lack of maintenance. I've got over 600 hours of hard use on it and it's only been in the shop for a 300hr service. Starts instantly every time, even after sitting for 6+ months. Zero problems and it's a great engine. I hope they come back.
MY 2007 150 ETEC IS MY GO TO ENGINE, NO PROMBLEMS AT ALL, TORQUE AND POWER IS EXCELLENT!!!!
Im the owner of a 225HO Evinrude, i love this Motor. It has 243Hp and in Germany my Bassboat is „i think the fastest boat on „my „lake.“ i love it.!!!!!
The mechanical inclination to properly run a two-stroke, including CDI since there are adjustments, makes a man happy
2strokes smell so good
I just repowered my 2000 Johnson 225hp to a 2009 Optimax 225hp. I only changed cause I wanted better fuel efficiency. It’s hard for me to pay 20k for a 4 stroke when a 2 stroke does the same job for a quarter of the price. I am one of those people who works on my engine at times.
I would love to repower my truck with a 3.2L 300XS optimax. I hate tge 4 joke innit now
I love that 2 stroke smell. It reminds me of my childhood.
I love the new 4 strokes, although I've never owned one. All of the 9 outboards I have owned have been older 2 strokes, early 70's to late 90's, that smoke upon start up - which I expect. I have never had to do more than routine maintenance on any of them (carb O/H, plugs, etc...) and I don't have to do anything to winterize them. As long as my current 1995 Johnson 115 continues to run great, I can live with the smoke and sputter!
Im only interested in reliability and ease of working on it . Being stuck on the water is terrible. Theres a reason model A fords still run and new cars dont
My take application. I Duck hunt with a 1648 LOWE and 30hp Johnson a 2004 model. I am from Iowa and every year I will be going out with temps in the teens and have seen single digit temp. My Johnson 30 hp starts easy pull start and it takes 2-3 pulls to start when cold. For extreme weather It’s hard to beat 2 cycle IMHO. Maintenance I change plugs every other year, lower unit Oil the same every other year.
If I was to buy a new Walleye fishing boat I would most likely go with Mercury first Yamaha second. My Best friend runs Yamaha 300hp and thinks there great.
I spent a few days recently up in Cairns, Australia. I was looking at what outboards were in use on the commercial vessels and every commercial boat with an outboard was running Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or Mercury four stroke outboards (mostly Yamaha). The crocodile tour boats were all running twin Yamaha's. I spent some time chatting to one of the tour operators, who was also a boat mechanic, he rated the Yamaha 4 strokes for long term reliability and ease of maintenance. The only thing he recommended 2 strokes for, was smaller HP engines (30 or below). He absolutely rated how easy the Yamaha's were to work on and were far more predictable in operation than 2 strokes. The one thing he did say was that he likes 2 strokes, because they have more personality in their running and operation.
If those four stroke Yamaha‘s are so easy to work on why is scheduled maintenance so expensive found them? I wonder if the person you spoke with is a competent outboard mechanic because I don’t know anyone who would describe adjusting the valve lash on these outboards as easy
Great video, the Evinrude G2 was so much better than most people realize
I believe the project ghost will have a 2 and 4 stroke offering which will be the 3 cylinder G2 that can produce about 150 hp. And a 4 stroke Rotax 4 cylinder which can easily make 300 hp. Can’t wait to find out hopefully soon!
Ghost is a POS if BRP still owned the Stuart Florida test plant that thing would be broken. God rest it
Yes the 1.9L rotax 2 stroke 3 cyl! Take 2 of them to make an opposed piston 3.8 L 2 stroke like achates power does
To think that the smell of a two-stroke is bad!?
That’s the cologne of the lake. Nothing takes me back to great childhood memories than a little bit of two-stroke drifting over the water.
Seriously…I operate a 50 year old 40 hp Evinrude on my Boston whaler and it rarely smokes at all. Maybe the slightest puff on initial start up. But it truly does not smoke. Run good oil!
Absolutely
I doubt we will ever see any four strokes still running in 50 years
@@johnbumpus7138 I'm sure there will be some, but two-stroke simplicity with minimal electronics lends itself to longevity!
@@Sauls2286 yes correct also the 4 strokes tend to use cheaper Materials in order to try to shave weight off and that’s why they are so susceptible to corrosion in salt water environments
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 yeah I get your point that is a lot of fresh water I for one have always flushed every outboard I have ever owned after using in salt water but I’ve always on trailerable boats So it’s easy enough to dip it in a freshwater lake and run around for a few minutes
Great video! Great explanation on everything. Things change, people change........that's the way it is. I think this is a tougher subject for us that grew up and have been through both types of engines. I have several boats, and have each type of engine. My '98 Evinrude 25 2-stroke on my jon boat is still running strong. An annual carb clean and it runs like a top no matter what. I love the sound, smell, and look of that engine. That's what I grew up with and what my dad and grandaddy had on their boats. I will run that engine until it completely gives out. My Bass boat has a 175 Yamaha VMAX HPDI 2-stroke. I bought it and boat new to replace my older boat with at Johnson 60. I could not believe how this new tech 2stroke was much more quiet, just about no smoke, and was so much better on gas. This engine is a beast and still runs excellent for as hard as I run it. I wish they still made them! I bought a used duck hunting boat that had an '03 Yamaha 15 4stroke. My plan was to sell the motor and put a 2 stroke on it. Well, after one season with it..... I still have it. Man that thing is so quiet and uses no fuel. I downsized from a 6 gallon to 3 gallon tank to give me more storage, because I can just about go the same distance on half the fuel. Being an older 4 stroke, it is a snail out the hole, but has been just as tough and reliable as any 2 stroke. It starts way easier in the cold weather I run it in.
I think 4 strokes are the future, and the old 2 strokes will phase out even if it makes me sad. I would love love for each manufacturer to still make at least one, but only if it had a cost difference that makes Sense. That's about the only way I could see them making a comeback. I remember looking at an etec 25 to replace my old one until I saw the price. It would have been cheaper to get a 4 stroke. Newer buyers don't care about all the specs and stats anymore, so I think it comes down to price. I think there are still places/situations in boating where both types of engines could still be beneficial. Guess we will have to wait and see what happens!
I will not be 2 strokeless:mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
4 jokes are the future only is everyone is fucking stupid and brainwashed washed enough to buy them fat ugly boring things. I will no be 2 stroke less even if it burn a bit more oil and gas! Most don’t realize that Joseph Papp built a pulsed plasma closed cycle 2 stroke he used inert gasses. The toroidal ball lightning tapped ZPE aetheric energy and ran the motor. Also do you realize that lightning bolts and the sun are a plasma form of 2 stroke. The sun is a loop chargerd spherical plasma 2 stroke.
I was a commercial fisherman for many years and johnson/Evinrude made the best engines in the 1970’s until the end of 1990’s.. best outboards ever made IMO.
Easy to work on, little or no maintenance, relaibke and all kinds of power.
The new 4 strokes suck.. they are designed to fail…
Marketing killed the 2 stroke
If you like buying a new outboard every 5 years buy a 4 stroke.
Nick Mo < You will never win the Mercury/OMC, Chevy/Ford, Cessna/Piper arguments to which is best. The new 4 strokes are so much better than the old 2 strokes. This is a fact you need to grasp and 2 strokes are now a weed eater power plant.
@@melrose9252 it’s pretty obvious you have no actual knowledge of this subject if you had ever owned a high horsepower two stroke outboard you would know why so many experienced voters love them but the four strokes are fine for weekend warriors and credit card captains Basically the same People Who Drive Buick’s
There are now diesel outboards coming onto the market that might well be better suited to commercial usage.
I live on a 1,000 acre lake and fish more than anyone on the lake. My Merc 115 4-stroke uses less than a tank of fuel for the entire season, May 15-September 15. I have to manually drain the fuel each season. Man, they are fuel efficient. My Yamaha on the new pontoon seems to be even better!
Personally I LOVE the sound and smell of 2 stroke outboards. There's NOTHING like hearing a 2.5 Merc screaming down the lake on an Allison at 7k rpms running 100mph.I much prefer 2 over 4 strokes...
Hey hey hey! Infraction here! You forgot to mention the Mariner Magnum. Same outboard, I know. Different name. Still deserves some mention for those who prefer Mariner's grey over Mercury's black.
I hate 4 jokes in car/trucks and everything else. I got an 8v92 Detroit 2 stroke and small block 4L Johnson side oiler outboard. Every lightning bolt and the sun are 2 stroke plasmas. The strange thing here is if look at photos of our sun you can see that the plasma is loop charged just like a mercury 3.2 optimax but on a much bigger scale. Some folks convert hemis into poppet valves loop charged 2 stroke with valve/cam running 1:1 crank speed. Anyways here’s Cummins nice new OP 2 stroke mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf
I have a local lake that my family and I fish all the time. Only problem is that it’s a no wake lake. I paid 250$ for a 14’ v hull with a trailer. Had a 1959 evinrude 5.5 that had not been started in 18 years . Choke, started on 3rd pull. I’m currently rebuilding it. Why not. It runs like a top. No smoke, shifts easy. Doesn’t use much fuel. Plus new motors don’t offer what I need. A 5.5 set up for a quicksilver controller. So much for my midship steering console.
"People that are buying new outboards, they don't even have a toolbox" this cracked me up. The biggest issue for me is when these engines start aging. Guys without toolboxes won't want them because repair is expensive, and guys with toolboxes can't troubleshoot the dang things.
Unless you have the right electronic diagnostics equipment And company data access codes no amount of tools in your tool box are going to fix your motor. Forget it, those days are over. They are just like your car or truck.
Just like 2 strokes
Hey everyone!! I too loved the 2 strokes ever since I was a kid but I just repowered from a evinrude 150 to a brand new 2022 Suzuki 140 and it’s a game changer I loved the 2 stroke scream but hated coming back from a 15 minute ride around the lake and the cloud is still there ! The Suzuki is heavier but it’s faster than my old 150 overall and out of the hole and a 5 year factory warranty it’s hard to beat
My 2005 90hp E-TEC failed and required complete rebuild. Warranty was denied. Only 800 hrs on motor. I suspected poor quality as the reason Evinrude went out of business. Am now worried about cost and availability of parts.
I boughta 2021 Alumacraft Competitor 175 with the option to buy any motor I wanted and I like alot of people went to a Yamaha 115 vmax sho to know that I could take it everyrime with no problems and most quiet Smoot operation all while have reliability and great performance and fuel economy. The only other brand I was considering and would have bought was a Suzuki. I'm in love with this boat and motor. Solid aluminum transom and 2xb hull plus big fuel tank 2 good sized livewells a built in insulated cooler a very well laid out boat front to back. Love it can't wait for the ice to melt and to get family out in it on the open water.
Couldn’t have said it better with “people buying new motors don’t even own a toolbox” I think part of enjoying a 2 stroke of a knowing how to fix it and understanding how simple and beautiful they are. I don’t know anything about the G2 or Etec because I’m not in that financial category. I know my Johnson 25 in and out though and can fix and diagnose just about any issue that might arise.
Not only are these new 4 joke ugly as hell, they are more work to keep up too. Both the sun and lightning bolts are natures plasma 2 stroke engines entities. Solar flares on the sun are huge 2 stroke plasma event.
As a repair person not under a dealership it is easier to get information for Mercury and Yamaha motors than a Etec motors even if you have the computer programs to work on them and here is a thought the after market could get in on programs that could change the performance of the four stoke Engine like the car engine.
Adding a crankshaft operated supercharger and removing the crankcase induction will allow the 2t to operate just like a 4t. Oiled bottom end and fuel only top end. Ultra high power and good gas mileage. Game changer.
sounds like a gas version of a detroit diesel
XD-100 BRP etec 2 stroke oil works great in a 2 stroke Detroit! I would give amsoil interceptor a go if I could get enough of it cheaper and I might just give that a try.Detroit 2 strokes run these coated anti friction bearings and are not fussy about what brand of 2 stroke oil they use. I heard of some folks running super tech tcw3 through a 6-71 with no issues at all.
My 23 year old Johnson runs great oil injection and never a problem.
Thank you EPA!
Stay with that old 2 stroke. Once 4 joke stroke wears out if forms its own oil injection! No matter what 4 stroke is made they always try to revert to a 2 stroke state.
I owned a 1995 Suzuki 25 hp oil injected three cyl ,three carb 2 stroke for 26 yrs. I had zero issues with this engine. In 2023 I bought a 2023 Suzuki 25 hp 4-stroke fuel injected and put it on my boat.. No comparison on how well it planed my boat which is disappointing at best. My 2-stoke popped the boat out of water right now.. plus pulling my grandchildren on tube was so much better. Gas mileage usage and quietness is the only advantage.I see. I bought three different props for my 25hp 4 stroke now trying to equal performance of my old 25 hp 2-stroke. I was worried parts might become hard to get for a 2-stroke was the only reason for trading it in. Not so sure I did the right thing now.🤔
Still plenty of old 2 strokes being run here in New Zealand
I don’t care what he said. I still like the 2 strokes engine though. Lighter, stronger and fuel efficient and a lot less maintenance to worry about!
and the smell is one of the best parts
@@gulag_dt I have an etec and it doesn't have that smell you're referring to. My old Johnson on the other hand......
2 strokes are like a small piece of the sun
My boat is a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk and I had a 2016 E-TEC 200HO G2. I needed about $5k worth of work and support in my area was difficult so I decided to repower instead.
I looked at going with a Suzuki or Yamaha 200 inline 4 and the Mercury Four Stroke 200 V6, I couldn't justify the higher price of the Yamaha (not to mention the $2k charge for white paint) and I just couldn't get comfortable with the concerns around Mercury's reliability. So I went with the Suzuki.
The Suzuki is amazingly quiet. At idle it's difficult to hear it running. But I gave up a good amount of low-end grunt (noticeable when tubing and pulling up two water skiers) and I lost a few MPH on the top-end. Going from a two stroke V6 to a four stroke inline 4 as you would imagine changes the power and torque curves. One of the biggest differences is that Suzuki has a 2.50:1 gear ratio compared to the E-TEC's 1.85:1. This made the Suzuki a little more difficult to prop correctly.
I stayed with a drive-by-wire control configuration and also needed to have a steering ram installed as the E-TEC had internal steering.
I keep my boat on a lift on a saltwater canal so I do miss the ease of maintenance, no oil changes, easy winterization when I wasn't going to use the boat for an extended time and the longer 3 year general service interval.
Wise, word on the street is it keeps getting harder to find techs and OEM parts for Evinrude's
Everyone on here talking up the etecs so much should talk to some offshore fishermen. I have no problem with Evinrudes but I've seen 3 etecs on offshore boats that have blown up in under 2 years of use. My buddy's boat blew an etec after 45 hours and they gave him a deal on a pair of Suzuki 4 strokes because Evinrude stopped making engines and he now has 800 trouble free hours on them. Im on the water more than most and I haven't seen a single offshore boat with etecs on it in over 2 years hear in MD. I loved the old 2 strokes but I won't have anything but 4 strokes on my boats now.
Why USN used those same ventures. For reliability before bombardier killed the come outboard program after they bought omc. Ironically they didn’t kill the license so they may reappear. In future
Oh well. 😂 This is easily one of the most informative boating channels, especially for smaller craft.
The motors I have a problem with are the ones that don't start when it's time to return to the dock.
I own a 1984 20’ Grady White. In 1993 I replaced the original 185 Johnson with a 225 Johnson Ocean Runner. Very reliable it’s whole life. In optimum conditions I could get 2.1 mpg @ 4000rpm where I cruise at. After 28 years I replaced it with a 2021 Merc 225. At 3800 rpm I calculated 4.3 mpg and 4.0 mpg at 4000 rpm which was after only 2 hrs of break in. I’m guessing it will improve somewhat by the 100hr mark. I’m at 20+ hrs now and couldn’t be happier. Plenty of snort out of the hole too.
I put 1800 hours on my Yammy four stroke and never once gave me any grief , never owned a two stroke but been on plenty of boats with them and the smell and noise put me off
I will always be a 2 stroke fan 4 stroke very expensive and to heavy I miss the e tec
No we tie off to Riggs
I’ve owned many 2 stokes including an E-Tec’s and three 4 strokes. I would never think about going back to a 2 stroke. Take a look at the weight of the 150 Mercury and 150 E-Tec. Think you will get a big surprise.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Liked your review, hope you do more. Blessings
Also more work to keep up too. Our sun is a plasma 2 stroke going for billions of years so far
I purchased my Boston Whaler in 2001 and my 115 hp 2 - Stroke oil injected Mercury is still running strong. The only maintenance I’ve had to do is spark plugs, gear oil and water impellers. It’s a great engine and I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning.
I have a 1988 140 johnson and it runs very strong, 2 strokes are basically bullet proof.
@@itssimko4915 I agree.
Now one question will you keep your 2 strokes or four strokes compared to the electrical outboard systems?
Have you watched my video on electric
Boating?
I own a Merc 200 Promax from 1994 and it's a monster. Smokes and guzzles gas but man is it a fast and reliable motor- love it. Have an Evinrude etec 75 from 2014 as well and that one is perfect with the 2 stoke power and very low emission.
There's something nostalgic with the 2 stroke motors
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon totally agree.
the ford A's of '29 also have their nostalgia... noble as brutes they were... greetings
I’m no Motörhead but I’ve fished behind and owned both style of motors on my boats. I’m sorry I feel the 4-stroke is superior in so many different ways. Less smoke, smell and noise it’s not even really close imo. I’m sure I’ll read a bunch of different reasons why Evinrude went under. It’s pretty simple they weren’t as good as most 4-stroke manufacturers for many of the reasons I mentioned above as well as overall reliability they just couldn’t match the 4-strokes. Consumers just didn’t want them like they wanted the 4-strokes. I’m in the boating industry and you mentioned Alumacraft. They tried for years to force all their dealers to package exclusively with Evinrude on their boats. The last dealer meeting before Evinrude was discontinued it was a pretty hot topic with many of the dealers complaining that they were dead against it. Again mainly for the reasons I mentioned above. I did a lot of research before I bought my last fishing boat and motor. My biggest concern was reliability. I have a lot of boat dealers that I work with and not a single one recommended the Evinrude. Evinrude was usually last on their list of the motors they offer. The only dealers that thought the Evinrude was great was only selling Evinrude.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon One dealer from southern Minnesota told me that he and his business partner went to the dealer meeting ready to concede to Alumacraft at the meeting and to no longer offer Yamaha, Mercury or Hondas on their new Alumacrafts and only offer Evinrudes. But they were out taking a test drive with a new 150 Evinrude. They both looked at each other and after all the noise and smoke told the Alumacraft rep what they had planned to do but they just couldn’t. The rep admitted that their are a lot of dealers fighting this problem as well and said they’re getting ready to throw in the towel on the Evinrudes and possibly come out with a 4-stroke under the Johnson name. But that obviously hasn’t transpired yet.
Having run both new 4 strokes and etecs the maintenance of the 4 stroke is a killer having to pull the boat out of the water every week to change the oil is a dealbreaker on its own especially when running a fleet of boats the power to weigh is also not great on the 4 strokes both are easy to work on but the 2 strokes only require spark plugs and the occasional injector or sensor don’t forget that the Etec diagnostic software is dirt cheap compared to merc or Yamaha
Yes we run them on commercial boats they typically get several thousand hours on them a year when you have a fleet of 10 boats the down time for maintenance is a killer we operate in New England mainly Connecticut Massachusetts New Hampshire and Maine also I’ve found other commercial operators who have tried 4 strokes (Honda Suzuki Yamaha and Mercury) and have lost a lot of money from down time inevitably we all go back to Etecs as they are the most reliable and low maintenance engine with the discontinued production we are forced to go to the 4 strokes not saying they are bad just way more maintenance and down time we typically get 2-4 years out of a etec and around 7,000-8,000 hours they are still running great but after 5 years the electrical stuff starts to go bad. The commercial market is not big enough as almost everything is inboard diesels and only the small boats are Outboads we currently only run 3 boats with outboards as diesels are more fuel efficient and last much longer 30,000 hours between overhauls is the norm on the diesels
Changing your oil every week in a 4-stroke what are you talkin about?? Oil in a 4-stroke is good for at least a hundred hours. The five to seven quarts it takes to change the oil in a 4-stroke every 100 hours is far less oil then you will put in an Evinrude in 100 hours.
@@scottsilver5409 100 hours a week is normal for us and adding oil is quick and easy changing oil and timing belt ect is down time that costs a lot more than the oil a boat down for a few hours is $$$$ as we work 24 hours a day 7 days a week (2 12 hour shifts a day) and the equipment needs to be in service also there’s a logistics issue as the engineer needs to keep track of the hours as the hardhats can add oil and gas but aren’t going to keep track of hours and will run the engine over its scheduled maintenance interval
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Yes and No they are electronic diesels and they have proven to be unreliable but the ability to get away from the logistics of a second fuel type is great as everything else (cranes excavators tugs welders gensets ect is diesel and we have 50,000 gallons of If on the big tug and skid tanks with transfer pumps on every barge) as well as the fire hazard of gas is a great idea but not sure about the reliability of them we have issues with newer diesels and mostly run 2 stroke diesels (Detroit 71s and 149s and EMD 567s and 645s)
Just rig oil injection on tge 4 stroke and dump more in when it runs down.
I'm likely on the older end of your demo, so I have a lot of experience with both 2 and 4 strokes. As a tech, I even worked on 2 stroke diesels years ago. I can do any repairs or maintenance myself with either 2 or 4.
Whether snowmobiling or boating, 2 strokes were a pain in my ass. So years ago when given the choice between a 2 or 4, even when the 2 stroke was a higher HP, I chose the 4 stroke. I would make the same choice today if that choice still existed.
I think that all of the manufacturers did a great job at adapting. Even Evinrude. But there are differences inherent in the 2 models that make the 4 stroke the objective winner.
the evenruide etech beat the 4 stroke in every way power to weight/emissions/ speed and maintenance ! no maintenance for first 3 years
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon I had a 1983 Mercury 25 hp and loved it!
They went put of business because brp did not get there info out there enough and correctly they worried more about the atv market and not the outboard market
I am still rocking a 68 Merc thunder Bolt made in Canada
How about reliability ?
@@kayldomaj6493 no maintenance for the first 3 years on the etech outboards sounds good to me!
Not sure about the G2 etec but the g1 etec is super quiet, I start mine and can't even hear it running. At wide open yeah you can tell it's a 2 stroke. And as for starting, you just touch the key and it starts. These four strokes crank over 4 or 5 times just like your car.
I own a 1999 Honda 8hp 4 stroke outboard that I bought used that was run in saltwater and freshwater, some parts were missing and the dude i bought it from had also broke the small pin in the prop, long story short that engine was fun and easy to repair, in my state where Honda has a good popularity and lots of people own one theres a place that walked me through the repairs. But yes i agree what you said about Honda engines.
One thing not on your comparison graph is noise. I’m more familiar with the older designs, but I always hated the rattletrap noise and blue smoke of the two strokes.
I still have a older 87 Johnson 110 on my glasstron carlson. Cut the wires to the vro pump and mix the oil myself. A lot of oil is smokeless and I’ve never had mine smoke. I’ve had no problems in 10 years with my motor except 1 coil pack went bad.
2 stroke eveninrude was the only gas engine on a lake for environmental friendly. So there emissions was real good.
It was the only 2 stroke engine that was allowed on that lake, 4 strokes have always been able to be on that water as well
@@sniping12 not the official said no other outboard was allowed. But they could have been referring to other 2 stroke engines. It's been a while back when I saw the interview. But they were showing how clean emissions were with eveninrude's 2stroke engines were. I should have worded it different. Sorry! P.S. I think and this is my opinion, 2 stroke engines are a lighter less maintenance engine. Most of all more tork .
4 stroke outboard engines hasn't been out that long when I saw the interview. I'll hunt it up if I think they were referring to allowing only Eveninrude. My understanding was the officials were only going to use there 2 stroke engines. And in that interview they were showing how much more it cost on 4 stroke engine maintenance. But this is what I understand through the interview.
4 strokes are also easy to work on. Not AS easy but still easy. For the most part. Simple maintenance and valve adjustments are all you need to make them go 4ever.
Would you buy a used evinrude etec today in Southern California over a 4 stroke?
probably not, what year?
My Yamaha 50 has 4 cylinders as my evinrude only has 2 2 strokes are lighter make more power and are just better engines my question I have a etec sadly we hit a rock and blew up the lower unit the power head only has like 70 hours should I repair it? Unfortunately we all ready repowered our boat with a newer 4 stroke I wanted to say evinrude but we came to the idea we just need to repower it
I was under impression that the Evinrude etec 2 stroke emitted less emissions than the 4 strokes?! Is it a bad idea to buy a used (2015) Evinrude etec?
Getting service and parts will continue to get harder and harder and they are very complex engines
Keep in mind there's many advantages to 2 cycle power less weight less moving parts...the only reason is why 2 cycle power is the loser in this video is emissions...2 cycle is the way to go I've been running a marina in eastern Ontario since 1975...I run both both but I prefer 2 cycle
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon however thou in terms of ease of operation the new four-cycle units would definitely be better than 2 cycle and with the new regulations regarding exhaust emissions in the last 30 years or so has been moving away from 2 cycle power
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon don't get me wrong the late model DI/FI 2 cycle optimax/etec units are something phenomenal and it shows that 2 cycle can run super clean but not quite to the level of 4 cycle outboards
I still have a 1932 Firestone out board, and my favorite 10 hs is my 1960ish Evenrude, ya lean it out and top end is amazing, just don't forget your spark plugs..
Great video, I'd like to see a video about Suzuki's current rise to stardom in the outboard world, they seem to be becoming more and more popular each year. In my area, Yamaha and Hondas were king, now, I'm seeing more and more Suzuki, including my little 25 :)
just depends on the prop size on 4-sroke even on the 2-stroke
evinrude has more torque than a 4-stroke, its electronic injection system is more efficient than other 2 and 4-strokes, mercury bought it to disappear it because it was much better, cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
Man, ive had a merc 300x and now have a merc 300r and the R has more power and torque. I never thought 4 strokes would outdo them but they did.
Brp decided to worry more about other watersports with the jet skis and the atv market. So why they decided to cut the etecs I'm not sure but in my opinion it's going to hurt them a little bit. I have an etec that I bought a couple years ago and it's amazing out of the hole and fuel milage.
To me I see the majority are mercury outboards but I do see a lot of etecs as well. So I'm not sure who made the decision or why they thought it was a good one.
Never heard a 2 stroke brasher like you. I swapped a 75 merc 2st for a 90efi 4st and went backwards, the extra 55+ kgs didn’t help I guess. Going back to 2st. . . 90 Etec when I can find one
I have a question. I'm retired and thinking about buying a boat for recreational bass fishing. Seems like there is an odd fixation on the so-called Hole Shot. Assuming I'm not a pro basser, what difference does it make if it takes me a FEW seconds longer to get up on plane? I'm thinking more about the dependability of an outboard than flat-out performance. Thanks in advance! Cheers!
Where i live (Norway). Evinrude is the most popular engine. Atleast 50% or more of the new engines Untill last year were evinrude. So they did extremely well in Norway. I have no idea why.
I have a e-tec 60, and it has been a great. Its from 2011 and it has never had any issues
Ole Evinrude, born Ole Andreassen Aaslundeie was born 19 April 1877, in Gjøvik, Norway. Evinrude has dominated the Norwegian market despite Ole selling the first company in 1913 and not a part of the second company after he died in1934.
Norwegians are open minded that s why! Regards from Greece
I love the old two strokes...the smell...the simplicity, longevity etc. ...sad to see them go, but it's just the changing times. Evinrudes were very complicated and highly engineered, and just plain lost the two stroke over four stoke advantage. As a result they were just increasingly losing their market share.
When I use to run my old trusty 9.9 two stroke in a barrel, I was surprised and amazed at how much unburned filth was in the water.
The only thing Etec had in common with the old two stroke is it was a two stroke.
I like the new 4 strokes..just this week, I bought a new pontoon with a 90hp Mercury...but the expense in developing and building them is really driving up the cost of boating. Also, as these engines age...the cost of operating them is going to be substantial...as a matter of fact, even the older 4 strokes are EXPENSIVE to repair. I don't like the demise of the 2 stroke...it is going to put boating out of financial range of a lot of people.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon And, this cost increase effects not only the people that do their own mechanical work...it also carries over to those that take their boat to a tech....the complexity of these engines is just extremely expensive. Give it 10 more yrs and there will be a definite measurable impact on boating. But, hey, it is their business to do with, what they want. These high tech 4 strokes will never operate as cheaply and probably not as long as those old much maligned 2 strokes. I have owned more than 30 boats in my 61yrs...I just sold a 2007 Mercury 40hp 4 stroke that cost me more to operate over the time that I had it than all of the previous 2 strokes combined. Example...in the last year, I had to replace the "fuel cooler"...that cost a cool $570...just that one small part.
There was a lot wrong in your last outboard video, and I was optimistic that that'd be corrected in this one, but apparently nope. Probably the funniest lie in this video was that a DI two stroke doesn't completely burn the fuel. With DI, no unburnt fuel escapes the exhaust port. In fact these DI two strokes had and still have a cleaner and more complete burn than ANY four stroke available today. Evinrude G2 emissions are so superior that of four strokes that the only outboards permitted in many lakes in the EU are these DI two strokes. Four strokes not allowed
I'll reiterate what I said earlier: the four stroke won because so many people (including yourself) believe the crap in this vid. The modern day two stroke is cleaner than the four stroke, more fuel efficient, requires less maintenance, and has better performance. The only possible advantage a four stroke has that it's quieter. People just cannot fathom that direct injection transformed the two stroke into something better than the four stroke. But it did
BTW your other videos are pretty great and well-informed... how come you chose this particular topic to spout off random shit that is incorrect?
Actually after that comment, the rest of the video is pretty darn accurate. I was being a bit too critical. I still think lack of knowledge of new two stroke technology contributed to it's demise in a big way. But you are right about owning transoms, people don't realize how impactful that is. It's the sole reason Yamaha is so popular today, even though they screwed people with their F225 and F350, both of which are some of the worst motors ever made
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Thanks for actually reading them instead of just being reactive. Probably why this channel on average has such good content
I agree with everything in your well-informed comment the only thing I would add is that I think dealerships prefer selling the four strokes because of the lucrative and expensive service and repairs that go along with them
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon danger marine is a great resource for learning repair and maintenance of older two strokes👍
The etec g2 was still a good engine. It just wasn't popular enough to continue production during the covid crisis. Other than that they were fine. They didn't smoke and weren't "too loud". Never mind the haters.
I have an old Yamaha 70hp 2stroke on my small 15ft speedboat. One thing is the extra speed (rpm) with the 2stroke vs 4stroke, the other is weight. My boat is rated for 90hp max, i'm thinking of getting a 115, but when the 4stroke weighs around 30-40kg more.. Then I have to strengthen the boat..
Sorry but 4 strokes are Not quiet as you said here in this video. I have been going to Our favorite lake for a long time. I was there Yesterday and had seen Alot of boats out there with quite a few 2 Stroke outboards still out on the water. My wife and I were out at this lake and we had seen 3 men in a little aluminum fishing boat with a little 4 stroke Honda 9.9 outboard. These men Idled on out away from the boat ramp and Imo was Louder than my 2 stroke Evinrude 200 XP . We have seen other 4 stroke outboard motors on the lake and they were Not the Quietest either.
I've noticed the sub 15hp 4 strokes seem to be just as loud as the 2 strokes. However, the larger 4 strokes are a good bit quieter than the two strokes. With two strokes you have a lot of intake noise. On a 4 stroke, the intake valve is closed when combustion happens. On a two stroke, there is a path for the sound of combustion to travel through the intake.
Had 2015 G2 250 H.O. , exellent motor when it worked all 32 -hours of it from new ! Constant electrical issues with gauges : EMMO NMEA bus heart beat lost and CODE 20 PBLC Network Communication fault . This lasted for four years , importer mechanics tried to fix it 9- times, blew finally EMU ,worked last fifth summer without incident but trust to the engine was completely lost . 110 engine hours, which mechanics tested 15 hours . Used huge amounts of expensive xd 100 oil, did not like to run at low rpm at all, started acting like old motocross bike with choke on. Im not messing with BRP products any more . Open the cowling and compare to other manufacturer layout, Evinrude is like someone forget at casting stage cooling an other stuff , it is completely covered with all kind of hoses, wires and crap . My 2008 Yamaha 250 fourstroke was like jewelwery compared to G2.
The New products very often have problems, I have seen new 4strokes with serius problems, like sea water in the oil in the second service, corrosion problems or power trim problems like mine in the first 25hrs
The direct injection 2 stroke doesn't wast gas it cant scavage because they dont have intake ports a carb motor was gas because the intake port and exhaust ports are open at the dame time for a fraction of a second and unburned fule gets out the exhaust port then into water
I was OMC only but nothing was better than the sound and smell from 1984, 85 etc Black Max's
Scott silver the main advantage is that is cheap on fuel do you think drag car doing 300 mph in a 1/4 mile is being generous with fuel
I own a 1984 90 hp T O P mercury and a 115 1995 evenrude intruder. Never sell them . Awesome engines. Blue smoke.
4 strokes just can't compete with 2 strokes they have high rev bans
My beer budget dictates either I/O or 2 stroke. I’m ok with that, I love both and love tinkering. I own 2 305’s and 1 very old 250 in-line 6. Good power, reliable when maintained and CHEAP. Even new an I/O is half the cost of a new outboard for 250 hp.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon All have their purpose, my runabout/tubing/camping boat, 88 Bayliner 5.0 OMC, 230 hp. My and father in law’s fishing boat, 75 Grew Cutter w/250ci Merc, 165hp and the free boat I let the whole rest of the family use, 1986 19’ runabout with 5.0 Merc, 200hp.
I went from a mercury optimax which was very easy to maintain and incredibly fuel efficient to a Yamaha 250 four stroke, with my optimax I had a top speed of 51-53 mph depending on weight on the boat, to 42-44 on the Yamaha four stroke. I am also burning a bit more fuel on the Yamaha compared to the optimax. Having to change oil every 100 hours is a pain, having to change oil 2-3 times per summer. The optimax did not use much oil and I find if you do a lot of boating you use less oil on the optimax compared to the Yamaha 4-stroke. If I had a choice and a new optimax was available I’d sell my Yamaha and go back to a reliable, fast and better on fuel optimax. It’s really too bad they stopped making them.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon yes! And the Yamaha is propped right according to WOT RPM.
Those evinrude g2's where just as efficient, faster and looked bomb af.. It's so sad😞
BRP is developing an electric outboard. Id bet money it will be released under the Evinrude name.
I don’t think BRP will ever use the Evinrude name or US flag, but I do think they will put out the g2 again
I would not touch it with a ten foot pole, at least after five year if they pull the plug of it too, G2 was too expensive for an anchor :(
What about weight and reliability? Haven't the 4 strokes come down in weight and getting close to the weight of equivalent two strokes, plus, don't 4 strokes generally give you more hours?
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Thanks Russ, true the new 4 strokes are very close in power to weight ratio. I actually don't know which one is likely to give more overall hours, assuming maintenance is done right? I've had both. My latest is a 4 stroke. Here in Canada guys can hardly give away the two strokes and even 10-year-old 4 strokes get a premium dollar. Is it the reliability of the 4 strokes or the simple toxic fumes of the two strokes that is the reason people up here don't want them. I remember when they sold "scented" two-stroke oil for small engines, masking the smell but not doing much about the toxic stuff. That old two-stroke brings back memories for me too, but apparently, it's just plain bad from a health standpoint.
By the way, I like how you didn't "stand on the fence" with this issue.
I have a 250 Merc Four Stroke on my XP3 TriToon, the fuel usage is great, its gone tons of power, its SUPER reliable. I beat the shit out of it when my wife goes wakeboarding. I don't miss the old two strokes of my childhood at all.
No they can't come down in weight and it's cheap parts
Too bad Evinrude stopped making outboards for the wrong reasons….the G2 250HO is a GREAT engine lots of power and LOWER emissions than 4 strokes!
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon still own the G2 250HO…..not giving it up anytime soon….still has 7 yrs warranty…love it!
You said it there my friend. There the one's that invented the outboard to start with. Because mr. Eveninrude wanted to see his girl friend that lived a cross the lake. Yep! That's rite. He invented the out board engine. 😎👌
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon yes, it's supposed to be true.
Nothing is More Iconic that the smell of an Lawn Boy 2 stroke mower back in the 60's with real yella leaded gas..
Great video! Would love to see a video about why 7 marine went out of business!
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Awesome!
All I want to know is, when my 1979 25hp 2stroke finally dies for good and I get a new 25hp 4stroke. Am I going to lose top end speed?
Yes you will lose a little bit but in saying that you will use far less fuel and can troll all day long without fouling up the plugs it's horses for course's 2stroke's don't like putting around
I don't know about losing speed. I went from a 1992 60hp to a 2012. 75hp and lost 2mph top end speed. Your props pitch and the rpm of the engine control speed. My newer motor and the old motor called for the same size prop. I do get on plane a little faster.
@@charlesronk2989 I've only had experience with small outboard motors 5-40hp on light boats and also motorbikes using gps and speedometers i have found 2strokes are faster than fours, by changing gear ratios or prop size you can get a higher speed but loose lower end torque, your comparing a 60hp to a 75hp which one was 2stroke and how much wear was on them 2strokes will loose compression (wear out) a lot faster than four's just curious
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@@shanegray7739 something a lot of people don’t realize is you can have a set of trolling plugs gapped differently. Extremely easy to swap plugs. Some old motors might still have surface gap plugs which foul way too easy at low rpm. You want the standard J gap plugs. I’ve got a set gapped at .03 for performance speeding from spot to spot and .04 for trolling on my Johnson 25 seahorse. Hotter spark to keep all that fuel burning in the cylinder. If you have knowledge of these motors they will work better for you.
@@timlong1462 yeah that is true, i have done that before but it's a pain in the butt changing plugs constantly and having the wrong heat range and gap at high rpm will damage the motor, i travel several miles between trolling spots it all comes down to how you intend on using the motor 👍
The EPA is the worst unelected bureaucratic agency that ever existed. Cafe standards are ruining the planet, not two strokes...
Well, the key comment was : " I never owned an E-tec or an Evinrude ..." I could have bet a Boston Whaler on that. All manufacturers offer basically sound engines but BRP offered the most advanced technology and better design, no contest. But it came with a price tag that the average consumer was not ready to foot. Brings back memories of Apple almost being flattened by the much less advanced (but cheaper) PC models in the '90. Apple computers were saved through massive direct subsidies from Microsoft that feared monopoly sanctions. Look for the outboard industry's engineering drive to considerably slow down since its leader has stepped down ... sad indeed !
I think the evinrude etec was a nightmare. I own one and it has been a nightmare. My 1992 60hp I spent less than 150 on parts running it from 1994 to 2019. My Etec 2012 75hp I spent over 2000 in parts in just the first 3 months I owned it, and the lift cylinder still leaks. To be fair some of this was the change in rigging. The $1700 for a computer is ridiculous as many people have had to replace several. $300 for each fuel injector. VST almost $400. As the high pressure fuel pump can not be purchased separately.
Honda was one of the first with 4 stroke
Evinrude was and still is best in outboard motors 4 strokes are heavy and slow its well documented in terms of acceleration and simplicity 2 stroke is where its at
Those 60HP and up new Tohatsu's are just rebadged Honda's. Pissed me off when Honda sold them to Tohatsu, but I was on the Auto side by then.
New outboards have become ridiculously expensive. I personally cannot justify $10,000 or more for a 30 to 40 hp outboard. In my opinion they need to focus on cost because it’s becoming unaffordable.
No 30/40 HP outboards cost 10k$
Nice One Dude. Good video. 👍👍
What about Electric Outboards on the horizon?
So what you’re saying is that the outboard company’s are only aiming at people with boats that have to be number one? Seems to me that companies doing this are doomed for failure. The local fishermen are pissed. Law’s have us handcuffed! When are the outboard company’s going to show up at our lake and ask the question? I say I’m done with it. I’ll have to build my own. No one cares, unless you have the money. 🤮