Great video Wayne! You hit the nail on the head on so many points. I personally struggle going back and forth with 2-strokes - 4 strokes. I love the lightweight , high horsepower the smokers offer but there are certainly days I’m beating my head against the wall . working on them , tuning, seized bolts, finding parts , etc, those days make me wonder why I still mess with them. But then I look at my wallet and go… oh yeah , 4 strokes are expensive! I’ve scooped up several 4 strokes through the years and certainly love the fuel economy and silence they offer but at the end of the day I can only afford used motors, and the used 4 stroke motors within my budget are older which means they are quite heavy fit my lightweight skiffs. Fortunately new 4 strokes (in the portable range ) have gotten pretty lightweight so as they become older and more affordable as used engines I’ll certainly be making the transition to 4 strokes. :). Unless they make a coal powered outboard , then I’m going coal for sure! 😂) Cheers buddy and thanks for a great video!
Thank you, your video has cheered me up immeasurably. The fact that there is now a three-cylinder two-stroke engine available is a dream come true for me. So many electric motor enthusiasts do not take into account, where their electricity comes from. in Europe, the average from renewables is 20%, so 80% is possibly from a dirtier power plant than this amazing new Rotax. I can't wait to sit in a boat and hear this wonderful piece of engineering. I am so happy!
Nice video , I'm a 2 stroke old guy still running 2 of them. I liked the smell running Klotz oil in them, a smell all it's own. That oil became so expensive so I switched to Amsoil oil. I have seen 2 strokes sold in 3 rd world country's Yamas and Tohatsu . 2 stroke so simple and less weight. I see the videos on Time belt replacement, valve adjustment and pull power head to replace oil pump on the 4 strokes. By the way I own 2 Tohatsu 4 stroke . I blame the Government and the state of Calif. for the push for 4 stroke and now a push on gas cars.. BRP ruined Evinrude motors . This for you Wayne crabbing might be over with all this rain.
Like a lot of others there is a lot Of memories for me behind those two stroke engine, living in North Carolina have spent many many hours with my dad starting around eight years of age flounder gigging at night and then fishing fishing all day on the coast of North Carolina then would bring it home during the week and take it out on freshwater and fish for bass and I lost my dad at 15 and I cherish those memories. I now have a mercury 9.9 two-stroke use it a lot but it’s beginning to let me down and getting harder and harder to get fixed we have had to two hands to the dock from other boaters this season so I may have to bite the bullet and get a four stroke something I really don’t want to do. Great video by the way keep up the great work
And that's why I by as many old outboard s as possible and rebuild them completely. New everything, get them running and some I keep and some I sale. Very easy to work on with just a little education.
The last Evinrude 2 stroke before BRP ended them,were as or better at fuel economy then four stoke of equal hp. They did not smoke and met all epa standards.
Hi Wayne, interesting video. Here in France, manufacturers can't sell new 2 stroke engines anymore, for the environmental reasons you mentioned. Despite I recognize those 2 stroke were cheaper, very reliable and efficient, I do think they belong to the past. My boat had a 2 stroke Yamaha. It was running like a charm despite it's age. But it was smoky, noisy and responsible for so much vibrations. I now have a Suzuki 4 stroke. It's quiet, fuel efficient, it runs smoother and starts beautifully. I would not go back. And you know what? As an electric car owner, I hope we will soon have affordable solutions to use electric outboard engines. No vibration, no noise at all. Just the sound of the waves on the hull. That would be the paradise for me. I hate noise! I prefer looking forward than looking in the mirror. The world is changing fast these days. The oil era is going to it's end. No regrets if the future brings us less noise and pollution. Keep boating and doing good videos!
well then your rich enough, like biden, to send the rest of us a payment check weekly so we can afford your electric high price living. will all be waiting !!!!
Can definitely tell this guy fishes nothing but fresh water. Electric motor in saltwater is terrifying to me living on the coast. I get maybe 2-3 years out of an electric trolling motor made for marine environments. I’m a commercial fisherman so I’m on the water 5 days a week using my equipment.
Hey Wayne! Great video! Always enjoy your content. Bombardier is a Canadian company, They've been using rotax technology in Seadoos and PWC's for over 30 years. Rotax technology was invented in Europe nearly 90 years ago. It's been quite reliable for the brand. Seadoo are a dominant PWC here so I'm sure in some shape or form, 2 stroke technology will still endure the test of time. Cheers!
until 2 stroke motors are outlawed i will continue to run them only i am an avid Johnson/Evinrude fan i have a smaller 12 footer that i run my local rivers in and the sea horse 3 from 1965 i use starts every time mostly on the first pull unless its super cold
Hangkai makes 2 stroke outboard motors and they are sold on Walmart and eBay. I own a 4 stroke hangkai 6.5 HP and I love it. I also ❤️ 2 stroke outboard motors too, and I plan to get one too.
I have A 1996 Bass Tracker Tournament TX 17, I have owned this boat since it was new, about two years after owning it I took the 40 HP Tracker motor off it and put an 80 HP 3-cylinder 2 stroke Mercury from 1988. This motor is amazing I have been offered similar four stroke motors, I refused them all. I own 5 total complete motors all 80 HP, three are from 1988 and two are 1989 models all waiting for their turn in the water!
We live on a boat and cruise around so our dinghy is our car. We have a 15hp Yamaha 2 stroke that we got in Martinique and that thing is awesome. Simple, powerful, lite, reliable. It never lets us down
Evinrude etec (direct injection) was two stroke and were made up until the pandemic. They were comparable to 4 strokes in emissions and fuel efficiency. Evinrude was owned by BRP and were being manufactured in the USA. I have a 2017 model 30 hp hanging from my 16 ft. Aluminum side console.
I have an Etec 90 Hp on my Macgreor 26M. If I want to sell the boat, some people will consider the Etec as a piece of junk. I don't use my boat for sailing, more for rivers, so the extra hp vs a 70 hp for about the same weight was nice. With the extra hp, I didn't have to run WOT and it was quieter.
I have had my 2003 Nissan 3.5 since about 2009, about 13.5 years. It is a great motor with many, many fond memories. My neighbor gave it to me when I was about 17 and I am 32 now. It sat for about 5 years during that time. But the last 2 years I’ve been having to work on it like crazy. I am excited to retire that motor and start new memories with a Honda 4-stoke 2.3. I will however miss the smell of the 2-stoke.
I'm kind of a nostalgic guy. There is something about the 2S smoke that does bring back memories. That said I don't really have a problem with 4S either. What I do have a problem with is being told what I can or cannot do. Like many other things the market will ultimately decide. Also many new snowmobiles are still 2 stroke.
Excellent video! I am a 2-stroke fan all the way. As others have said, they can be problematic, especially as they are getting so old now but hey, they are cheaper to buy and maintain. I am happy to put up with the smelly 2-strokes for a while yet. Thanks for the great explanation!
Great information Wayne. I recently replaced my 75hp 2st with a 90hp 4st (twin cam Efi ) the 90 is slower off the mark and didn’t seem to plane as soon as the 30yo 2st. The 4st at 55+ kgs heavier sat the rear of my 5.3 boat noticeably deeper in the water. . . . Remedy I’m looking for a 90 Etec. .
With the brp motor keep in mind that they bought evinrude so they have etec and it emissions are lower then many 4 strokes. So this may have something to do with it
Wayne, I love my old 2 stroke engine (Johnson 2001 35 HP) it still looks and runs like new, and it’s very quiet when running, it even sounds like a 4 stroke. I hate the thought of not being able to use it in some areas and not being able to get it repaired in the future? Thanks for bringing this info to light, mate 👍🏼
Check out all the major outboard manufacturers Latin, African, and Asian markets. Mercury still offers two strokes in their Latin American markets. The Yahama Endero two stroke is still one of the most popular line of outboard in the worlds. We still can purchase two strokes in the Bahamas. Mostly 15 to 85 hp.
Very good video, I don’t think 2 stroke outboards will be able to be ran here in the US in 10-15 years from now. But I do think that the 2 stroke outboard motors have been the best/most powerful motors on the water.
I personally am a huge 2-stroke outboard fan and still run quite a number of older Evinrudes, Mercs and even some McCullochs. Replacement parts are sometimes hard to find for the old 2-strokers and I do wonder if the window of opportunity to operate them could be closing. I suppose time will tell on that. This was a very interesting video, thank you for posting!
Bombardier has an online parts catalog for all OMC engines manufactured from 1968 to 2007. The operation window is not closing. It is incredibly easy to get parts for them.
@@UltraMagaFan Yeah, that is true. Also helps that a lot of those old OMC's are super long-lived if operated and taken care of properly. I guess my commentary about parts availability was more focused on me trying to keep my old McCullochs going! It's tough finding stuff for the old Macs and other off-brand 2-strokers
I got 14ft Jon boat and a 8hp tohatsu 2stroke boat motor. The tohatsu shaft was so seized and no way to grease it without modification, I decided to buy this “Hangkai” 6hp 2stroke for $550 to see if it would take me out on the water to the honey holes. Reviews on Amazon were skeptical but I decided to take the risk. What I could was the motor (brand new) was essentially an early 2000s mercury 2 stroke, all be it made in china, but with proper break in, it starts on 1st pull and pushes me around at 12mph. I can’t speak for the longevity, and I’m not a huge fan of made in china (although nearly everything is), but for $550 it got me out on the water and has performed great!
Interesting video, I have a 1996 Tohatsu 120hp 2 stroke outboard and I'm dealing with some new difficulties repairing it. In the past I could get all the part for it online for a reasonable price. Just this week I was getting my boat ready for the new season and noticed it was time to replace the impeller for the water pump. I went online and apparently the manufacturer Tohatsu / Nissan is no longer selling the parts for my boat.....NOOOOOOOOOO! I got lucky and found the impeller on amazon since its a pretty generic part, I bought 2 just in case, but what if it had been something particular like a fuel pump or starter? It seems that my low hours / running great outboards days are numbered which is really sad to me. We live in an age where technology advances so rapidly that its forcing us to throw everything away sooner than necessary.
Old, carbureted two stroke engines may hold some sentimental value to those folks who grew up watching grandpa or dad fire one up at the lake. But in reality, the modern four stroke with fuel injection is way more efficient, clean and trouble free, and in many cases nearly as light! And, by running a four stroke you are absolutely doing your river or bay or lake a big favor. IMHO, you should ditch the smokers and get yourself a modern engine. Thanks for the video!
Interesting watch… I’m fresh to collecting the 2stroke ha, I’ve just started collecting the waste oil/fuel rather than dumping into lake through leg, then I dump back into my fuel tank. These engines of vintage era are easy, run well, beautiful to look, and pushes my boat as fast as it needs to go! Once you know them very simple.
In the UK a new type of petrol got introduced recently E10 and it destroys 2 strokes engines, the E5 petrol which is ok with 2 stroke has been fazed out massively, only one garage near me has E5 now everywhere else is only E10, Its a shame, the best thing about 2 strokes in my opinion is the power weight ratio. Great video.
Hell E10 is garbage for everything my had a 4 stroke Mercury more damn fuel issues fuel pumps. On the the hand my other friend bought a Jon boat with a 90s Evinrude sitting for 5 years. One carb job fuel line filter primer bulb still runs
I got a good deal on a 1985 4hp evinrude 2 stroke, and it really runs really well. It was obviously used rather lightly because the compression is like new. With proper maintenance it will last a super long time. I would honestly prefer a 4 stroke for being environmentally better, but I'm not a rich guy and can't beat the price of a trusty two stroke. I live near the ocean and I don't see them ever banning 2 strokes in the ocean. But I think they have already done it in lots of lakes.
Like most folks, I have whatever was on the used boat when I bought it. 1978 Evinrude 55. When that one gave up the ghost had to source a used motor. used 4s ate triple plus what a used 2s could be had for, so now it’s a 1990 Evinrude 70. Another 10years and there’ll be enough old 4s around to make them affordable.
4 stroke engines have its advantages too, quieter, broader torque curve less fuel consumption and much less smell and no oil spill thru the exhaust, its major drawback is that it asks for oil changes. and periodic valve adjustmant,
I like the ease of maintenance of the two stroke motors. My Boston Whaler Sport 11 has my dad’s Chrysler 20 HP and still puts it on plane with two adults. I dreamt of buying a larger boat with an Evinrude E-Tec and not a four stroke engine!
Hey Wayne, Know that this video came out a month ago, but thought I would make a comment. I currently have 14 outboard motors and 13 of them are two strokes. They range from 1942 to 1989 and all but 3 aren't Evinrude or Johnson. Most were acquired after having bilateral wrists fractured. They were all non running at the time. There are 7 running at this time. Sentimentally they have been my therapy for years. Doctor said I would be lucky if I could ever turn a wrench again. Proved him wrong. So in short it's 2 strokes forever.
I don't understand what the law says. I thought you can't buy a new 2-stroke in the US (or is it by state at this point?). Maybe Hangkai is not a US seller? Does that work? Also, the regulations may be about emissions specifically. Is it possible to make a 2-stroke that has good enough emissions to sell in the US? If you could clarify for us, that would be great.
In malaysia, the yamaha , mercury ,tohatsu and other brand still selling 2stroke outboard , i mean new 2 stroke outboard. I myself is using hangkai 2stroke.
IDK, all i can tell you is that i spent a great deal of effort, time and energy to become a OMC outboard master tech way back when, then they basically suddenly stopped... i was making decent snap and i had to move to inboards and I/O's and start over at the bottom, i never fully recovered
Im stuck between figuring out which is a value for money engine keeping durability and build quality and cost of spares. Yamaha Enduro 40hp JMHL Suzuki DT40WL Tohatsu MX40D3EFL Keep in mind this is for India. We dont have brands like Evinrude, Mercury. Boat Specs: Panga/ Kerala Style Dry Weight - 600 - 700 Kgs Length - 27 Feet Width - 6 Feet Depth - 2.3 Feet. Transom height - 1 feet 10 inch I'd like to connect the engine to my fishfinder unit. To track the performance and fuel consumption. Anyway that can be done on these outboards?
If you look into this BRP Rotax, it’s not a very good idea. 3/4 of the thing is submerged. You can’t go buy one to have somebody install on your boat. They are brand specific for Manitou and AlumaCraft. The cowling has a frickin BILGE PUMP IN IT, and an air pump! That’s so if the cowling were to leak, it’s supposed to provide protection for the powerhead. The kicker? It requires 12 volts at all times to operate the safety equipment. So what happens if your battery was to take a dump? You’re screwed! I’ve followed along with this “Ghost Project” since I’d first heard noises about it from my local Evinrude dealer. It’s not good. Destined to fail. The design is atrocious. It’s an over engineered funky junky munky!
@@PapaMav Could be either. You'll get a little bit of money for it. Another option if you're not looking to get money out of it is some businesses have scrap metal bins/dumpsters and might let you put it in there. Someone picks up those bins and takes the metal to a scrap yard.
I love 2stroke motorcycles. Kawasaki Mach 3 with a 500+750cc 3 cylinder engine. Suzuki X6 hustler with a twin 250cc motor. Suzuki sold a 500cc 2stroke called a Titan. Those engines were light and spun at high revs.
Is the Rotax able to be mounted on a typical transom that was made for an outboard? Do we know what horsepower they'll be offered in? Evinrude had boasted their latest 2 strokes were very comparable to the 4 stroke outboards as far as emissions and fuel efficiency. If that is true you'd think there would be a comeback, either BRP producing these of selling the technology and rights so someone else would. , because there certainly seems to still be a market for them.
Love the video! However, I would never buy a Chinese Hangkai outboard even if it is a two stroke. Also, Mercury, Yamaha, and Tohatsu still produce two stroke outboards, but they are available pretty much only to third world countries. Interestingly, those engines don't seem to be much cheaper than their four stroke counterparts.
Two strokes i thought are more powerful comparing horsepower to horsepower. The brands you stated do still sell 2strokes. Just not in USA. Many 2 strokes in South Florida boating community. They are even current models that make their way into S.FL via the Caribbean Islands.
My issue with the whole 2 strokes vs 4 strokes and law regulations is the fact that it doesn't seem to take into considerations anything. Here's what I mean; I believe that 2 strokes should be allowed to be used by fishermen if they feel like it or not (maybe they would need to add a mandatory 2 strokes outboard engine class and also add a "field" to the fishing license saying that they know enough about 2 strokes to maintain them and not let them perish), and restrict the others to 4 strokes or electric engines. Here's why; Fishermen DON'T tend to go on a lake for miles, they go right where they want to go and fish, if it doesn't work, they go elsewhere. On the otherhand, people who does "recreational" boat stuff like wakeboarding, or just driving around with friends and having fun making waves, they usually do it for hours without ever stopping and cover a lot of miles. If they'd use a 2 strokes engine, they'd cover the lake with oil/gasoline, with a 4 strokes, the chances are way less. Of course, fishermen do cover the lake with it as well, because they got to move and reposition from time to time, but it is much less frequent. Here's an alternative; Every 2 strokes engine destined to go on a lake would need to pass a test that would calculate how much oil/gasoline is released into a 100 gallon tank of water or something like that, if it is over 0.001% (for an example), then they don't pass the test and can't go, if they do, then they're good to go... Kinda like boats requiring to be washed in different body of water to help lessen the chances of propagating stuff to other lakes.
I'm worried it gonna be less than 10 years. I've already bought a lipo 600 dollar battery for my electric powered yak just to have the extra power and time.
If it wasn't for EFI,I would not own a 4-stroke outboard.The carbed ones are simply a PITA,and can be hard starting in cold weather.A guy that I fish with has a carbed 50 Honda,and takes a bit to warm-up.My old 50 Yamaha 50 2-stroke started much better when cold.However,my 2020 Honda 50 starts the same whether cold or warm.Just have to watch the oil level when running at low speeds in cold water,don't want a crankcase full of fuel diluted oil.
Mercury makes a 2 stroke diesel that's available jn the USA. And yamaha had a full line up of 2 strokes, you just have to make a trip to the bahamas and pick them up. I would love to snatch a yamaha 200 2t from Nassau
I don't know if it's fair to say 2-stroke is "older" technology. The 4-stroke was invented first, although both designs are over 100 years old now. "Modern" technology like electronic ignition and fuel injection have come to both. I don't think it's even clear that "efficiency" is the issue, as for certain applications the lighter weight offsets the engine efficiency. It is emissions, plain and simple. Because the oil has to be burned with the fuel, it's tricky keeping the emissions down. However, newer oils that burn cleaner as well as better fuel/oil management has dramatically reduced unburned hydrocarbons even in 2-strokes over the years. The question is whether it can ever be enough.
You stated that 2 strokes are smoky. That's a technically incorrect statement. You could say a 2 stroke that burns pre-mixed fuel is smoky. On the other hand, a 2 stroke that burns pure gasolene is cleaner burning than many 4 strokes. The Etecs and Fichts were examples of these from around 2000 onwards. Very economical and clean running engines but other factors caused their demise.
4stroke so quiet! Great on fuel. 2st. can trigger asthma attack in my case.4st. liable to get up and walk away while 2 stroke usually will remain on the boat untouched.2st. spark plugs need changed every 50 hrs.
I bought an outboard engine with no stroke any time enjoy my boat I wonder why would anybody wants to smell gas and to listen to harsh and loud noise of an engine with two or four strokes. Riding an electric boat brings natural smell of nature with sound of the waves enhanced by bird’s singing and melody.is awesome. No stroke for different folks !
The main advantages of two strokes are: 1) Far fewer moving parts 2) Far less weight 3) More power off the line 4) About the same emissions and fuel consumption. My Evinrude weighs 135 lbs less than the comparable Honda 4-stroke.
I work at a dealership that used to sell and service Etec outboards. They were very finicky and they don't last unless you use evinrudes expensive pre mix. HPDI 2 strokes in general are an expensive and less reliable way to solve a problem 4 strokes already solved.
Friend, that statement is complete nonsense. 1. Etec engines do NOT use any type of premix. Period. Since you do not know that I am wondering just what you do ? An etec engine like my 300 is a fuel injected engine at the head. Fuel NEVER touches the inside of the engine aside from the combustion chamber. OIL NEVER MIXES WITH IT. no mix, no pre-mix etc. separate oil pump moves 2 cycle oil to the bearings and moving surfaces through what looks like an octopus. it is pure oil , never fuel. As long as maintenance is done when needed and oil is not changed for some other tyop, it will run forever. And with better power, torque, emissions , and fuel efficiency..... everything... over 4 strokes. 2. Etec has been the most reliable engine evinrude has made in a very long time. I have been a builder and service mechanic and repair shop owner for fifty plus years now. For an example. Etec engines are sold and do not even need the cover removed for the first three years. no plugs, nothing. The ONLY issue they had with oil was the computer needed set up when a person bought it. The owner has a choice... run the etec oil (not a premix of anything) XD100 oil or any other tcw3. The system and computer needed to know which you would use because the xd 100 is a much better oil and etec needs less of it to run correctly. If an owner had it set up for xd100 but decided to go with standard two cycle oil they were warned that they needed to reset the computer so it would know to increase teh oil output to bearings etc. When an owner blew that off... they would have issues. That is on them, not the engine. I run all 2 stroke outboards and have around thirty right now ranging from old mercs and omc 97.5 hp all the way to an etec 300 (2012 model). I would never give them up for four strokes. Contrary to what comments say, four stroke engines do NOT have everything worked out. Time will show the disaster of four stroke outboards and the cost to fix along with longevity. Not to mention the prices are insane. Stating etec's are finiky or do not last is just misinformation. Now I personally do not like the 2013 and up fancy machines, I would recommend to all to stay at 2012 and first style. I have to wonder, what did you do at that dealership? No disrespect but janitors and secretaries work at dealerships along with sales men and others that know nothing about engines but repeat rumors all the time to sell a different brand. it sounds to me like you are just badmouthing 2 strokes to try n sell 4 strokes?
BRP has time before overhaul numbers that are not cost affective in boats (aircraft even get permission to not overhaul on schedule because of cost). Their TBO is both hours run and date expiration whichever comes first. That said, especially SMALL engines like your 2.5 and up to say 50 HP and even larger the weight to HP ratio make a huge difference in handling, speed, power coming out of the hole, and fuel economy. Try placing a new 5 hp on a 15 ft square back. At minimum 1.5 times the weight BEHIND the transom. That means the canoe is pointing to the sky and DANGEROUS to operate under many conditions! Boats have 2 outboard design requirements, TRANSOM MOUNTED weight and power. Exceed either one and you violate the design illegally if on any federal or state controlled water. BRP is selling aircraft engines and some others. Always at a huge premium over let's say a modern 4 stroke outboard by a major mfg. Electric? well, try an expedition in the Great Lakes over 2 weeks on a battery. That isn't going to work. Try a 20 mile run one way to the Faralons, from Oakland. Not happening. What we really need is air-cooled 2 stroke with near zero emissions of OIL (they burn clean enough except for the lubricant) or even new technology materials that can 2 stroke without lubricants. All of this coupled with electric drive design and a relatively small LIPO battery which would be a HYBRID boat motor and no drive shaft in the outdrive at all!
I'm a reluctant 4 stroker and a Tohatsu fan. The 2strokes rev higher and faster. The 4strokes idle better and are quieter. Fuel economy is better and cleaner is always better. What about hybrid technology i.e. gas/electric ?
@@WayneTheBoatGuy I'm thinking more of low speed maneuvers and trolling on electric and gas to get up on plane. In smooth water the electric might be able to keep it there. The alternator could then be used to recharge the batteries. I'm just thinking this through as I type but we have electric outboards and a twin screw application - one gas - one electric is possible ? Somebody, at some point will do that. I don't have the transom space on my drift boat or I'd try it myself 🙂
Very uninformed post. It's got nothing to do with two-stroke vs 4-stroke. It's all about emissions. Evinrude made a very clean, but unreliable 2-stroke DI engine. BRP killed Evinrude, not with poor emissions; in fact they were cleaner than the 4-strokes, but with lousy quality and cheap parts. The engines didn't live up to consumer demand for reliability. BRP destroyed Evinrude
Two Stroke motorcycles and scooter are longer sold in UK except for a couple of obscure China models however it is noticible that many Strimmers Blowers and Chainsaws in UK are still two stroke !! So banning of the two stroke cycle is patchy.
French oysters farmers deep their outboard all year long in sea salt water and mud. Some direct injections 2 strokes are now over 20 years old and last forever with minimum maintenance. Midrange consumption is lower than 4 strokes.
Four stroke better in many ways, but many of us prefer the simplicity of the 2 stroke, is more reliable, at least the old ones win regular carburetor not the ones with computerized fuel injection. But it’s less efficient on gas and pollution. I am waiting for the prices on the four stroke to come way down, specially 90 hp and up .
Friend, just how is the 4 better than the 2... say etec 300 vs 450 fourstroke? the 300 has more power, better efficiency and economy and does not smoke one bit. It is stable, works forever and is much less money. Moving parts in a 4 stroke will end up killing them in the long run. I do not believe they will ever be as stable and long lasting as a solid and well maintained 2 stroke. Yes other 2 strokes may use more fuel but not a lot and not when compared to a machine that has equal torque and take off power.
I have two OMC two strokes I use, would be nice to have four stroke. I won’t change until they won’t run, or parts unavailability. I think like autos the future is electric.
Very nice video. But I see no good reason to continue with 2 strokes. I understand the advantages of 2 strokes but the downside is just too much to deal with. I am no more nostalgic for the smell of 2 strokes than I am black lung and soot from coal. I have had too much trouble with my 2 stroke (1999 Force 120hp), spend too much on fuel (and don't forget the added oil!) and repairs. Nope, I am done with 2 strokes. Time to evolve.
Wayne actually I just got a 1973 25hp evinrude because I wanted to learn how to work on them . And have been following outboard channels check out team marine in Wisconsin. Chris from OHIO gooooooo Buckeyes
They arent really being made anymore. That said i own plenty from weed whackers to 300 hp 2 stroke outboards. As long as i can get oil ill never get rid of them.
It's a cost/money issue for many. Why would I want to spend 2 or 3 times more instead of something older that is fully functional and running. $1000 fully running and operational Evinrude/Johnson V4 crossflow (90 to 115 hp) versus $12k mercury/Yamaha/Suzuki 4 stroke of the same HP rating. Don't get me wrong, I like the latest Suzuki outboards for their well known bulletproof reliability reputation, but I'm getting into debt that much for something that isn't a need. Oh, and BRP is a joke right now in the outboard community. BRP Ghost is about the worst thing one could do for the two stroke outboard industry.
wayne in the pacfic islands fiji,tonga somoa yamaha still sells brand new 2 strokes 5,15s,25s,30s,40,50,60,75 2 stoke maneily tiller steer sold under the name yamaha enduro
the are cool, with their smoke and smell, of course they polluting more, zes it s a good idea thez stopped to make them, but if zou have some again, don t hesitate to use them untill their ended dead.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy I mean sticking with 2 strokes when emissions standards are pushing for cleaner and cleaner 4 strokes and even electric outboards....the engine being mostly submerged when we all know seals and gaskets don't last long to keep water out of the electronics....the fact that i/o's are pretty much gone now days..and the fact that nobody can buy one anyway......the only way to even get one is on the alumacraft boats and they must be rigged by brp.......so a normal guy cant buy one to recover his boat....or say buy Crestliner and put the brp on it
Great video Wayne! You hit the nail on the head on so many points. I personally struggle going back and forth with 2-strokes - 4 strokes. I love the lightweight , high horsepower the smokers offer but there are certainly days I’m beating my head against the wall . working on them , tuning, seized bolts, finding parts , etc, those days make me wonder why I still mess with them. But then I look at my wallet and go… oh yeah , 4 strokes are expensive! I’ve scooped up several 4 strokes through the years and certainly love the fuel economy and silence they offer but at the end of the day I can only afford used motors, and the used 4 stroke motors within my budget are older which means they are quite heavy fit my lightweight skiffs. Fortunately new 4 strokes (in the portable range ) have gotten pretty lightweight so as they become older and more affordable as used engines I’ll certainly be making the transition to 4 strokes. :). Unless they make a coal powered outboard , then I’m going coal for sure! 😂) Cheers buddy and thanks for a great video!
Thank you, your video has cheered me up immeasurably.
The fact that there is now a three-cylinder two-stroke engine available is a dream come true for me.
So many electric motor enthusiasts do not take into account, where their electricity comes from. in Europe, the average from renewables is 20%, so 80% is possibly from a dirtier power plant than this amazing new Rotax.
I can't wait to sit in a boat and hear this wonderful piece of engineering.
I am so happy!
Nice video , I'm a 2 stroke old guy still running 2 of them. I liked the smell running Klotz oil in them, a smell all it's own. That oil became so expensive so I switched to Amsoil oil. I have seen 2 strokes sold in 3 rd world country's Yamas and Tohatsu . 2 stroke so simple and less weight. I see the videos on Time belt replacement, valve adjustment and pull power head to replace oil pump on the 4 strokes. By the way I own 2 Tohatsu 4 stroke . I blame the Government and the state of Calif. for the push for 4 stroke and now a push on gas cars.. BRP ruined Evinrude motors . This for you Wayne crabbing might be over with all this rain.
Like a lot of others there is a lot Of memories for me behind those two stroke engine, living in North Carolina have spent many many hours with my dad starting around eight years of age flounder gigging at night and then fishing fishing all day on the coast of North Carolina then would bring it home during the week and take it out on freshwater and fish for bass and I lost my dad at 15 and I cherish those memories. I now have a mercury 9.9 two-stroke use it a lot but it’s beginning to let me down and getting harder and harder to get fixed we have had to two hands to the dock from other boaters this season so I may have to bite the bullet and get a four stroke something I really don’t want to do. Great video by the way keep up the great work
And that's why I by as many old outboard s as possible and rebuild them completely. New everything, get them running and some I keep and some I sale. Very easy to work on with just a little education.
The last Evinrude 2 stroke before BRP ended them,were as or better at fuel economy then four stoke of equal hp. They did not smoke and met all epa standards.
The last rendition of the Evinrude G2 was in my view the best outboard engine ever made. Best of in so many categories
Yes, but nobody believes it... 2 stroke for the win
@@riverakers i see alot of them on marketplace that are seized
Hi Wayne, interesting video.
Here in France, manufacturers can't sell new 2 stroke engines anymore, for the environmental reasons you mentioned.
Despite I recognize those 2 stroke were cheaper, very reliable and efficient, I do think they belong to the past. My boat had a 2 stroke Yamaha. It was running like a charm despite it's age. But it was smoky, noisy and responsible for so much vibrations.
I now have a Suzuki 4 stroke. It's quiet, fuel efficient, it runs smoother and starts beautifully. I would not go back.
And you know what? As an electric car owner, I hope we will soon have affordable solutions to use electric outboard engines. No vibration, no noise at all. Just the sound of the waves on the hull. That would be the paradise for me. I hate noise!
I prefer looking forward than looking in the mirror. The world is changing fast these days. The oil era is going to it's end. No regrets if the future brings us less noise and pollution.
Keep boating and doing good videos!
Thank you for your thoughtful opinions
UE and USA are going down hand in hand...all other world use 2 stroke engines ..wake up .
well then your rich enough, like biden, to send the rest of us a payment check weekly so we can afford your electric high price living. will all be waiting !!!!
Can definitely tell this guy fishes nothing but fresh water. Electric motor in saltwater is terrifying to me living on the coast. I get maybe 2-3 years out of an electric trolling motor made for marine environments. I’m a commercial fisherman so I’m on the water 5 days a week using my equipment.
Hey Wayne! Great video! Always enjoy your content. Bombardier is a Canadian company, They've been using rotax technology in Seadoos and PWC's for over 30 years. Rotax technology was invented in Europe nearly 90 years ago. It's been quite reliable for the brand. Seadoo are a dominant PWC here so I'm sure in some shape or form, 2 stroke technology will still endure the test of time. Cheers!
until 2 stroke motors are outlawed i will continue to run them only i am an avid Johnson/Evinrude fan i have a smaller 12 footer that i run my local rivers in and the sea horse 3 from 1965 i use starts every time mostly on the first pull unless its super cold
Hangkai makes 2 stroke outboard motors and they are sold on Walmart and eBay. I own a 4 stroke hangkai 6.5 HP and I love it. I also ❤️ 2 stroke outboard motors too, and I plan to get one too.
I have A 1996 Bass Tracker Tournament TX 17, I have owned this boat since it was new, about two years after owning it I took the 40 HP Tracker motor off it and put an 80 HP 3-cylinder 2 stroke Mercury from 1988. This motor is amazing I have been offered similar four stroke motors, I refused them all. I own 5 total complete motors all 80 HP, three are from 1988 and two are 1989 models all waiting for their turn in the water!
We live on a boat and cruise around so our dinghy is our car. We have a 15hp Yamaha 2 stroke that we got in Martinique and that thing is awesome. Simple, powerful, lite, reliable. It never lets us down
Evinrude etec (direct injection) was two stroke and were made up until the pandemic. They were comparable to 4 strokes in emissions and fuel efficiency. Evinrude was owned by BRP and were being manufactured in the USA. I have a 2017 model 30 hp hanging from my 16 ft. Aluminum side console.
I have an Etec 90 Hp on my Macgreor 26M. If I want to sell the boat, some people will consider the Etec as a piece of junk. I don't use my boat for sailing, more for rivers, so the extra hp vs a 70 hp for about the same weight was nice. With the extra hp, I didn't have to run WOT and it was quieter.
I’ll buy your etec
@@stevel1451 haha…..No……I will be keeping this running until I stop breathing…….
I have had my 2003 Nissan 3.5 since about 2009, about 13.5 years. It is a great motor with many, many fond memories. My neighbor gave it to me when I was about 17 and I am 32 now. It sat for about 5 years during that time. But the last 2 years I’ve been having to work on it like crazy. I am excited to retire that motor and start new memories with a Honda 4-stoke 2.3. I will however miss the smell of the 2-stoke.
Nice!
I'm kind of a nostalgic guy. There is something about the 2S smoke that does bring back memories. That said I don't really have a problem with 4S either. What I do have a problem with is being told what I can or cannot do. Like many other things the market will ultimately decide. Also many new snowmobiles are still 2 stroke.
Excellent video! I am a 2-stroke fan all the way. As others have said, they can be problematic, especially as they are getting so old now but hey, they are cheaper to buy and maintain. I am happy to put up with the smelly 2-strokes for a while yet. Thanks for the great explanation!
Great information Wayne. I recently replaced my 75hp 2st with a 90hp 4st (twin cam Efi ) the 90 is slower off the mark and didn’t seem to plane as soon as the 30yo 2st. The 4st at 55+ kgs heavier sat the rear of my 5.3 boat noticeably deeper in the water. . . . Remedy I’m looking for a 90 Etec. .
With the brp motor keep in mind that they bought evinrude so they have etec and it emissions are lower then many 4 strokes. So this may have something to do with it
I was thinking the same thing.
Wayne, I love my old 2 stroke engine (Johnson 2001 35 HP) it still looks and runs like new, and it’s very quiet when running, it even sounds like a 4 stroke. I hate the thought of not being able to use it in some areas and not being able to get it repaired in the future? Thanks for bringing this info to light, mate 👍🏼
Check out all the major outboard manufacturers Latin, African, and Asian markets. Mercury still offers two strokes in their Latin American markets.
The Yahama Endero two stroke is still one of the most popular line of outboard in the worlds. We still can purchase two strokes in the Bahamas. Mostly 15 to 85 hp.
I want to make a trip to the bahamas and pick up a l200a yamaha two stroke
Miss watching your videos and I realized why after watching this one :) 2 stroke 4life ✌️
Very good video, I don’t think 2 stroke outboards will be able to be ran here in the US in 10-15 years from now. But I do think that the 2 stroke outboard motors have been the best/most powerful motors on the water.
I’m interested in the Manitou twin Rotax Tritoons but I’m waiting to see how they do and to get the bugs out before making that commitment
Just bought a new in box 1976 Yamaha 2 stroke air cooled 5 hp outboard yesterday and it’s awesome
wow - Air cooled too!
I’m new to this , I have two 2 stroke . I think im gonna be a collector
I personally am a huge 2-stroke outboard fan and still run quite a number of older Evinrudes, Mercs and even some McCullochs. Replacement parts are sometimes hard to find for the old 2-strokers and I do wonder if the window of opportunity to operate them could be closing. I suppose time will tell on that. This was a very interesting video, thank you for posting!
Bombardier has an online parts catalog for all OMC engines manufactured from 1968 to 2007. The operation window is not closing. It is incredibly easy to get parts for them.
Mercury has one too.
@@UltraMagaFan Yeah, that is true. Also helps that a lot of those old OMC's are super long-lived if operated and taken care of properly. I guess my commentary about parts availability was more focused on me trying to keep my old McCullochs going! It's tough finding stuff for the old Macs and other off-brand 2-strokers
I got 14ft Jon boat and a 8hp tohatsu 2stroke boat motor. The tohatsu shaft was so seized and no way to grease it without modification, I decided to buy this “Hangkai” 6hp 2stroke for $550 to see if it would take me out on the water to the honey holes. Reviews on Amazon were skeptical but I decided to take the risk. What I could was the motor (brand new) was essentially an early 2000s mercury 2 stroke, all be it made in china, but with proper break in, it starts on 1st pull and pushes me around at 12mph.
I can’t speak for the longevity, and I’m not a huge fan of made in china (although nearly everything is), but for $550 it got me out on the water and has performed great!
Nice! Good to hear from an actual owner of a Hangkai!
I've got a 2006 Yamaha 150 2 stroke no trouble in 15 years...Oil injected smokes very little. Great engine.
Yeah I had an oil injected Eninrude 90 that wasn't very smoky at all.
Interesting video, I have a 1996 Tohatsu 120hp 2 stroke outboard and I'm dealing with some new difficulties repairing it. In the past I could get all the part for it online for a reasonable price. Just this week I was getting my boat ready for the new season and noticed it was time to replace the impeller for the water pump. I went online and apparently the manufacturer Tohatsu / Nissan is no longer selling the parts for my boat.....NOOOOOOOOOO! I got lucky and found the impeller on amazon since its a pretty generic part, I bought 2 just in case, but what if it had been something particular like a fuel pump or starter? It seems that my low hours / running great outboards days are numbered which is really sad to me. We live in an age where technology advances so rapidly that its forcing us to throw everything away sooner than necessary.
I have two new tohatsu 50 2 strokes for my thundercats , great motors.
Old, carbureted two stroke engines may hold some sentimental value to those folks who grew up watching grandpa or dad fire one up at the lake. But in reality, the modern four stroke with fuel injection is way more efficient, clean and trouble free, and in many cases nearly as light! And, by running a four stroke you are absolutely doing your river or bay or lake a big favor. IMHO, you should ditch the smokers and get yourself a modern engine. Thanks for the video!
Interesting watch… I’m fresh to collecting the 2stroke ha, I’ve just started collecting the waste oil/fuel rather than dumping into lake through leg, then I dump back into my fuel tank. These engines of vintage era are easy, run well, beautiful to look, and pushes my boat as fast as it needs to go! Once you know them very simple.
Collecting and reusing the waste fuel/oil - that's pretty cool!
In the UK a new type of petrol got introduced recently E10 and it destroys 2 strokes engines, the E5 petrol which is ok with 2 stroke has been fazed out massively, only one garage near me has E5 now everywhere else is only E10, Its a shame, the best thing about 2 strokes in my opinion is the power weight ratio. Great video.
Hell E10 is garbage for everything my had a 4 stroke Mercury more damn fuel issues fuel pumps. On the the hand my other friend bought a Jon boat with a 90s Evinrude sitting for 5 years. One carb job fuel line filter primer bulb still runs
I got a good deal on a 1985 4hp evinrude 2 stroke, and it really runs really well. It was obviously used rather lightly because the compression is like new. With proper maintenance it will last a super long time. I would honestly prefer a 4 stroke for being environmentally better, but I'm not a rich guy and can't beat the price of a trusty two stroke. I live near the ocean and I don't see them ever banning 2 strokes in the ocean. But I think they have already done it in lots of lakes.
Like most folks, I have whatever was on the used boat when I bought it. 1978 Evinrude 55. When that one gave up the ghost had to source a used motor. used 4s ate triple plus what a used 2s could be had for, so now it’s a 1990 Evinrude 70. Another 10years and there’ll be enough old 4s around to make them affordable.
4 stroke engines have its advantages too, quieter, broader torque curve less fuel consumption and much less smell and no oil spill thru the exhaust,
its major drawback is that it asks for oil changes. and periodic valve adjustmant,
weight and bulk, and so much more moving parts to break,
Yamaha still sells lots of two-stroke engines around the world just not in the US or Europe. It’s their Yamaha Enduro line of outboards.
Yeah that's what I was finding too.
I like the ease of maintenance of the two stroke motors. My Boston Whaler Sport 11 has my dad’s Chrysler 20 HP and still puts it on plane with two adults. I dreamt of buying a larger boat with an Evinrude E-Tec and not a four stroke engine!
Hey Wayne, Know that this video came out a month ago, but thought I would make a comment. I currently have 14 outboard motors and 13 of them are two strokes. They range from 1942 to 1989 and all but 3 aren't Evinrude or Johnson. Most were acquired after having bilateral wrists fractured. They were all non running at the time. There are 7 running at this time. Sentimentally they have been my therapy for years. Doctor said I would be lucky if I could ever turn a wrench again. Proved him wrong. So in short it's 2 strokes forever.
Nice collection! The older outboards are pretty straight-forward and in some ways fun to wrench on!
If you ain’t smokin’ you ain’t strokin’
I don't understand what the law says. I thought you can't buy a new 2-stroke in the US (or is it by state at this point?). Maybe Hangkai is not a US seller? Does that work? Also, the regulations may be about emissions specifically. Is it possible to make a 2-stroke that has good enough emissions to sell in the US? If you could clarify for us, that would be great.
In malaysia, the yamaha , mercury ,tohatsu and other brand still selling 2stroke outboard , i mean new 2 stroke outboard. I myself is using hangkai 2stroke.
IDK, all i can tell you is that i spent a great deal of effort, time and energy to become a OMC outboard master tech way back when, then they basically suddenly stopped... i was making decent snap and i had to move to inboards and I/O's and start over at the bottom, i never fully recovered
Yeah that stinks.
Just ordered a brand new two stroke 12hp outboard for my inflatable, mine isn't going away any time soon.😃
Im stuck between figuring out which is a value for money engine keeping durability and build quality and cost of spares.
Yamaha Enduro 40hp JMHL
Suzuki DT40WL
Tohatsu MX40D3EFL
Keep in mind this is for India. We dont have brands like Evinrude, Mercury.
Boat Specs: Panga/ Kerala Style
Dry Weight - 600 - 700 Kgs
Length - 27 Feet
Width - 6 Feet
Depth - 2.3 Feet.
Transom height - 1 feet 10 inch
I'd like to connect the engine to my fishfinder unit. To track the performance and fuel consumption. Anyway that can be done on these outboards?
I was looking at a 23 CC fishing boat for a really good price until I found out it had an Evinrude E-Tec. Parts will not be available much longer.
Yeah that uncertainty can be a little scary.
If you look into this BRP Rotax, it’s not a very good idea. 3/4 of the thing is submerged. You can’t go buy one to have somebody install on your boat. They are brand specific for Manitou and AlumaCraft. The cowling has a frickin BILGE PUMP IN IT, and an air pump! That’s so if the cowling were to leak, it’s supposed to provide protection for the powerhead. The kicker? It requires 12 volts at all times to operate the safety equipment. So what happens if your battery was to take a dump? You’re screwed! I’ve followed along with this “Ghost Project” since I’d first heard noises about it from my local Evinrude dealer. It’s not good. Destined to fail. The design is atrocious. It’s an over engineered funky junky munky!
Actually you bring up a good point: how does one, get rid of (dispose of) a 2 stroke outboard?
Drain the lower unit oil and take it to a scrap yard.
@@BenjaminHeyser thanks. For dough or just disposal?
@@PapaMav Could be either. You'll get a little bit of money for it. Another option if you're not looking to get money out of it is some businesses have scrap metal bins/dumpsters and might let you put it in there. Someone picks up those bins and takes the metal to a scrap yard.
@@BenjaminHeyser thank you again Ben.
Part out the motor as a side project to recoup some $ for your new project!
Yamaha and tohatsu still sells 2 strokes outside of the North America/Europe market
I love 2stroke motorcycles. Kawasaki Mach 3 with a 500+750cc 3 cylinder engine. Suzuki X6 hustler with a twin 250cc motor. Suzuki sold a 500cc 2stroke called a Titan. Those engines were light and spun at high revs.
Is the Rotax able to be mounted on a typical transom that was made for an outboard? Do we know what horsepower they'll be offered in?
Evinrude had boasted their latest 2 strokes were very comparable to the 4 stroke outboards as far as emissions and fuel efficiency.
If that is true you'd think there would be a comeback, either BRP producing these of selling the technology and rights so someone else would. , because there certainly seems to still be a market for them.
The best I can tell is that they do mount conventionally. It will be interesting to see how this plays out next year!
Yamaha stil makes 2stroke outboards the enduro and autolube series
A fuel injected two stroke, turbo charged with intake valves would give maximum HP per combustion displacement.
Love the video! However, I would never buy a Chinese Hangkai outboard even if it is a two stroke. Also, Mercury, Yamaha, and Tohatsu still produce two stroke outboards, but they are available pretty much only to third world countries. Interestingly, those engines don't seem to be much cheaper than their four stroke counterparts.
I wonder how much longer they will produce them - especially if they're not much cheaper.
Two strokes i thought are more powerful comparing horsepower to horsepower. The brands you stated do still sell 2strokes. Just not in USA. Many 2 strokes in South Florida boating community. They are even current models that make their way into S.FL via the Caribbean Islands.
My issue with the whole 2 strokes vs 4 strokes and law regulations is the fact that it doesn't seem to take into considerations anything.
Here's what I mean; I believe that 2 strokes should be allowed to be used by fishermen if they feel like it or not (maybe they would need to add a mandatory 2 strokes outboard engine class and also add a "field" to the fishing license saying that they know enough about 2 strokes to maintain them and not let them perish), and restrict the others to 4 strokes or electric engines.
Here's why; Fishermen DON'T tend to go on a lake for miles, they go right where they want to go and fish, if it doesn't work, they go elsewhere. On the otherhand, people who does "recreational" boat stuff like wakeboarding, or just driving around with friends and having fun making waves, they usually do it for hours without ever stopping and cover a lot of miles. If they'd use a 2 strokes engine, they'd cover the lake with oil/gasoline, with a 4 strokes, the chances are way less. Of course, fishermen do cover the lake with it as well, because they got to move and reposition from time to time, but it is much less frequent.
Here's an alternative; Every 2 strokes engine destined to go on a lake would need to pass a test that would calculate how much oil/gasoline is released into a 100 gallon tank of water or something like that, if it is over 0.001% (for an example), then they don't pass the test and can't go, if they do, then they're good to go... Kinda like boats requiring to be washed in different body of water to help lessen the chances of propagating stuff to other lakes.
30 years @ OMC, 2 stroke meets the new standards , because of the new technology
It will be interesting to see how well these are received and how well they do!
For a tow boat it's difficult for the 4 stroke to compete. For now to get the matching performance to a 2-stroke the 4-strokes are just to heavy.
Not allowed to sell two-stroke in EU and UK, still seem to be available from China, you can however get a two stroke for certain commercial use.
Back in the 60s, about all outboards were 2 stroke. Both big and small units.
I'm worried it gonna be less than 10 years. I've already bought a lipo 600 dollar battery for my electric powered yak just to have the extra power and time.
If it wasn't for EFI,I would not own a 4-stroke outboard.The carbed ones are simply a PITA,and can be hard starting in cold weather.A guy that I fish with has a carbed 50 Honda,and takes a bit to warm-up.My old 50 Yamaha 50 2-stroke started much better when cold.However,my 2020 Honda 50 starts the same whether cold or warm.Just have to watch the oil level when running at low speeds in cold water,don't want a crankcase full of fuel diluted oil.
Im buying all 2 stroke mercs i can. They are a gold mine!
The evenrude e Tec first generation 2 strock is a good improvement
Yamaha , Tohastu and Suzuki offer 2 Stroke options brand new up to 90hp in my country Trinidad And Tobago
Thanks for sharing!
2001 Nissan marine 9.8 ,luv it gentlemen, she still purrs like a kitten
They are the best. Most reliable. Also, I don't own a smart phone or a cel phone of any kind either. Surviving fine with just a laptop.
Mercury makes a 2 stroke diesel that's available jn the USA. And yamaha had a full line up of 2 strokes, you just have to make a trip to the bahamas and pick them up. I would love to snatch a yamaha 200 2t from Nassau
I don't know if it's fair to say 2-stroke is "older" technology. The 4-stroke was invented first, although both designs are over 100 years old now. "Modern" technology like electronic ignition and fuel injection have come to both. I don't think it's even clear that "efficiency" is the issue, as for certain applications the lighter weight offsets the engine efficiency. It is emissions, plain and simple. Because the oil has to be burned with the fuel, it's tricky keeping the emissions down. However, newer oils that burn cleaner as well as better fuel/oil management has dramatically reduced unburned hydrocarbons even in 2-strokes over the years. The question is whether it can ever be enough.
You stated that 2 strokes are smoky. That's a technically incorrect statement. You could say a 2 stroke that burns pre-mixed fuel is smoky. On the other hand, a 2 stroke that burns pure gasolene is cleaner burning than many 4 strokes. The Etecs and Fichts were examples of these from around 2000 onwards. Very economical and clean running engines but other factors caused their demise.
4stroke so quiet! Great on fuel. 2st. can trigger asthma attack in my case.4st. liable to get up and walk away while 2 stroke usually will remain on the boat untouched.2st. spark plugs need changed every 50 hrs.
I bought an outboard engine with no stroke any time enjoy my boat I wonder why would anybody wants to smell gas and to listen to harsh and loud noise of an engine with two or four strokes. Riding an electric boat brings natural smell of nature with sound of the waves enhanced by bird’s singing and melody.is awesome. No stroke for different folks !
I hope to have a Torqueedo or ePropulsion someday!
The main advantages of two strokes are:
1) Far fewer moving parts
2) Far less weight
3) More power off the line
4) About the same emissions and fuel consumption.
My Evinrude weighs 135 lbs less than the comparable Honda 4-stroke.
The older 2 strokes seemed to burn more fuel. I had an Evinrude 90 that burned more than a 5.7 liter Volvo Penta
Very true. @@WayneTheBoatGuy
PARSUN sales brand new 2 stroke outboards in my country Costa Rica
I work at a dealership that used to sell and service Etec outboards. They were very finicky and they don't last unless you use evinrudes expensive pre mix. HPDI 2 strokes in general are an expensive and less reliable way to solve a problem 4 strokes already solved.
That's a bit of interesting info not many are aware of!
Friend, that statement is complete nonsense.
1. Etec engines do NOT use any type of premix. Period. Since you do not know that I am wondering just what you do ? An etec engine like my 300 is a fuel injected engine at the head. Fuel NEVER touches the inside of the engine aside from the combustion chamber. OIL NEVER MIXES WITH IT. no mix, no pre-mix etc. separate oil pump moves 2 cycle oil to the bearings and moving surfaces through what looks like an octopus. it is pure oil , never fuel. As long as maintenance is done when needed and oil is not changed for some other tyop, it will run forever. And with better power, torque, emissions , and fuel efficiency..... everything... over 4 strokes.
2. Etec has been the most reliable engine evinrude has made in a very long time. I have been a builder and service mechanic and repair shop owner for fifty plus years now.
For an example. Etec engines are sold and do not even need the cover removed for the first three years. no plugs, nothing.
The ONLY issue they had with oil was the computer needed set up when a person bought it. The owner has a choice... run the etec oil (not a premix of anything) XD100 oil or any other tcw3. The system and computer needed to know which you would use because the xd 100 is a much better oil and etec needs less of it to run correctly. If an owner had it set up for xd100 but decided to go with standard two cycle oil they were warned that they needed to reset the computer so it would know to increase teh oil output to bearings etc. When an owner blew that off... they would have issues. That is on them, not the engine.
I run all 2 stroke outboards and have around thirty right now ranging from old mercs and omc 97.5 hp all the way to an etec 300 (2012 model). I would never give them up for four strokes. Contrary to what comments say, four stroke engines do NOT have everything worked out. Time will show the disaster of four stroke outboards and the cost to fix along with longevity. Not to mention the prices are insane.
Stating etec's are finiky or do not last is just misinformation. Now I personally do not like the 2013 and up fancy machines, I would recommend to all to stay at 2012 and first style.
I have to wonder, what did you do at that dealership? No disrespect but janitors and secretaries work at dealerships along with sales men and others that know nothing about engines but repeat rumors all the time to sell a different brand.
it sounds to me like you are just badmouthing 2 strokes to try n sell 4 strokes?
Yamaha made 2 stroke up till 2019 mercury was out of it totally in 2005 Evinrude and Johnson never gave up on 2 stroke outboard awesome OMC awesome
BRP has time before overhaul numbers that are not cost affective in boats (aircraft even get permission to not overhaul on schedule because of cost). Their TBO is both hours run and date expiration whichever comes first. That said, especially SMALL engines like your 2.5 and up to say 50 HP and even larger the weight to HP ratio make a huge difference in handling, speed, power coming out of the hole, and fuel economy. Try placing a new 5 hp on a 15 ft square back. At minimum 1.5 times the weight BEHIND the transom. That means the canoe is pointing to the sky and DANGEROUS to operate under many conditions!
Boats have 2 outboard design requirements, TRANSOM MOUNTED weight and power. Exceed either one and you violate the design illegally if on any federal or state controlled water.
BRP is selling aircraft engines and some others. Always at a huge premium over let's say a modern 4 stroke outboard by a major mfg. Electric? well, try an expedition in the Great Lakes over 2 weeks on a battery. That isn't going to work. Try a 20 mile run one way to the Faralons, from Oakland. Not happening.
What we really need is air-cooled 2 stroke with near zero emissions of OIL (they burn clean enough except for the lubricant) or even new technology materials that can 2 stroke without lubricants. All of this coupled with electric drive design and a relatively small LIPO battery which would be a HYBRID boat motor and no drive shaft in the outdrive at all!
In Suriname you can still buy brand new Mercury 2 stroke outboards
I'm a reluctant 4 stroker and a Tohatsu fan. The 2strokes rev higher and faster. The 4strokes idle better and are quieter. Fuel economy is better and cleaner is always better.
What about hybrid technology i.e. gas/electric ?
There don’t seem to be any hybrid options out there. I think because unlike cars, boats need more constant pushing to get through the water.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy I'm thinking more of low speed maneuvers and trolling on electric and gas to get up on plane. In smooth water the electric might be able to keep it there. The alternator could then be used to recharge the batteries.
I'm just thinking this through as I type but we have electric outboards and a twin screw application - one gas - one electric is possible ? Somebody, at some point will do that. I don't have the transom space on my drift boat or I'd try it myself 🙂
Yamaha still making 2 stroke outboard motors for all countries, except North America,because of emission regulations
I think Europe is also not selling 2 strokes
I just brought a mercury 15hp super 2 stoke I'm from New Zealand tho
What about 2 stroke snowmobiles?
Very uninformed post. It's got nothing to do with two-stroke vs 4-stroke. It's all about emissions. Evinrude made a very clean, but unreliable 2-stroke DI engine. BRP killed Evinrude, not with poor emissions; in fact they were cleaner than the 4-strokes, but with lousy quality and cheap parts. The engines didn't live up to consumer demand for reliability. BRP destroyed Evinrude
Two Stroke motorcycles and scooter are longer sold in UK except for a couple of obscure China models however it is noticible that many Strimmers Blowers and Chainsaws in UK are still two stroke !! So banning of the two stroke cycle is patchy.
French oysters farmers deep their outboard all year long in sea salt water and mud.
Some direct injections 2 strokes are now over 20 years old and last forever with minimum maintenance.
Midrange consumption is lower than 4 strokes.
I hope not till the ridiculous prices of 4 strokes come down.
It doesn’t seem like that will happen any time soon.
Four stroke better in many ways, but many of us prefer the simplicity of the 2 stroke, is more reliable, at least the old ones win regular carburetor not the ones with computerized fuel injection. But it’s less efficient on gas and pollution. I am waiting for the prices on the four stroke to come way down, specially 90 hp and up .
Friend, just how is the 4 better than the 2... say etec 300 vs 450 fourstroke? the 300 has more power, better efficiency and economy and does not smoke one bit. It is stable, works forever and is much less money. Moving parts in a 4 stroke will end up killing them in the long run. I do not believe they will ever be as stable and long lasting as a solid and well maintained 2 stroke. Yes other 2 strokes may use more fuel but not a lot and not when compared to a machine that has equal torque and take off power.
I have two OMC two strokes I use, would be nice to have four stroke. I won’t change until they won’t run, or parts unavailability. I think like autos the future is electric.
Not as long as I can keep fixing mine, it's not...
Very nice video. But I see no good reason to continue with 2 strokes. I understand the advantages of 2 strokes but the downside is just too much to deal with. I am no more nostalgic for the smell of 2 strokes than I am black lung and soot from coal. I have had too much trouble with my 2 stroke (1999 Force 120hp), spend too much on fuel (and don't forget the added oil!) and repairs. Nope, I am done with 2 strokes. Time to evolve.
They still sell new ones in Asia and many more places.
Wayne actually I just got a 1973 25hp evinrude because I wanted to learn how to work on them . And have been following outboard channels check out team marine in Wisconsin. Chris from OHIO gooooooo Buckeyes
They arent really being made anymore. That said i own plenty from weed whackers to 300 hp 2 stroke outboards. As long as i can get oil ill never get rid of them.
It's a cost/money issue for many. Why would I want to spend 2 or 3 times more instead of something older that is fully functional and running.
$1000 fully running and operational Evinrude/Johnson V4 crossflow (90 to 115 hp) versus $12k mercury/Yamaha/Suzuki 4 stroke of the same HP rating.
Don't get me wrong, I like the latest Suzuki outboards for their well known bulletproof reliability reputation, but I'm getting into debt that much for something that isn't a need.
Oh, and BRP is a joke right now in the outboard community. BRP Ghost is about the worst thing one could do for the two stroke outboard industry.
I’m 99 percent 2 stroke guy. You get into bigger boats like 28 foot and bigger I can understand a 4 stroke in that area.
wayne
in the pacfic islands fiji,tonga somoa
yamaha still sells brand new 2 strokes
5,15s,25s,30s,40,50,60,75
2 stoke maneily tiller steer
sold under the name yamaha enduro
the are cool, with their smoke and smell, of course they polluting more, zes it s a good idea thez stopped to make them, but if zou have some again, don t hesitate to use them untill their ended dead.
Even if they ban them doesn’t mean I still won’t use it lmao 🤣
lol
I loved two strokes.
I've ben watching the brp Rotax pretty closely...amd I'm gonna say it's gonna be a major flop
It does seem to be a pretty big gamble.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy I mean sticking with 2 strokes when emissions standards are pushing for cleaner and cleaner 4 strokes and even electric outboards....the engine being mostly submerged when we all know seals and gaskets don't last long to keep water out of the electronics....the fact that i/o's are pretty much gone now days..and the fact that nobody can buy one anyway......the only way to even get one is on the alumacraft boats and they must be rigged by brp.......so a normal guy cant buy one to recover his boat....or say buy Crestliner and put the brp on it